In Georgia, Dems and Reps use the law to suppress competition

In a better world, Mary Norwood would be on the ballot this fall as an independent candidate for Fulton County Commission chair.

In a county long crippled by feuding along racial, political and geographical divides, Norwood’s willingness to serve as a bridge between white and black and Republican and Democrat might have broken up old voting blocs and forced the formation of new coalitions. But she probably won’t get the chance, thanks to her own bureaucratic blunder and to Georgia’s arcane and overly restrictive ballot-access laws.

Norwood’s also not the only victim of those laws.

Ray Boyd, a successful Georgia businessman turned neophyte politician, wanted to launch an independent campaign for governor this year backed by $2 million of his own money. Unfortunately, he withdrew when confronted by state laws designed to make it difficult for independent candidates to get on the ballot. (In fact, Georgia’s ballot-access laws are considered the most restrictive in the country.)

Brad Bryant, appointed by Gov. Sonny Perdue last month to fill an unexpired term as state school superintendent, also was forced to drop his bid to run for that office as an independent. To get on the statewide ballot without a major party behind him, Bryant needed signatures from more than 44,000 registered voters, or 1 percent of those registered to vote in the last statewide election. At the deadline, he was at least 8,000 signatures short.

The obstacles to independent candidates are even larger for local partisan races, such as Fulton County commission, and for congressional and state legislative seats. To get on the ballot, independent candidates have to collect signatures from 5 percent of those eligible to vote in those races, which in Norwood’s case meant roughly 22,000 people. It’s testament to her hard work that she was able to overcome that hurdle, generating at least 30,000 signatures in support of her candidacy.

However, Norwood fell victim to another technicality in state law that required her to file papers officially declaring her independent bid by noon, July 2. She missed that deadline by a little more than four hours, which renders her signature-collection effort moot.

Last week, Norwood tried to salvage her candidacy by asking the county elections board to waive that requirement, but it refused to do so. Her supporters complained that the board’s decision was driven by politics, but the requirement in state law is clearly stated, and it gives the board no real leeway.

In a conversation Friday, Norwood insisted that her campaign continues and that she will take her case to court if she confirms that she has enough signatures to qualify. However, the courts aren’t likely to treat her any more kindly than the elections board did.

In each of the cases above, Georgia’s ballot-access laws worked exactly as designed by discouraging candidates who might challenge the two major political parties. Unfair as that seems, it’s not likely to change.

One venue for change would be the courts, but they have already approved such laws. In 1971, in Jenness v. Fortson, the U.S. Supreme Court voted unanimously to uphold Georgia’s ballot-access laws, which even then were among the tightest in the country. That ruling remains one of the most important decisions in ballot-access case law.

And without court prodding, members of the General Assembly aren’t likely to change the law on their own. Opening the process to independent challengers would make campaigns much less predictable, which is the last thing incumbents want.

The truth is, neither major political party has anything to gain by allowing challenges to their political duopoly.

246 comments Add your comment

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
4:18 pm

Well, here’s a topic more germane than the last thread…

harvey

July 19th, 2010
4:29 pm

As tough as it is to get on the ballot, we still get idiots who think islands sink (Johnson) as our representative. Makes you want to be sick.

Kamchak

July 19th, 2010
4:30 pm

Wonder what kind of obstacles the Tea Party would be subjected to.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 19th, 2010
4:40 pm

Well, every canadate that ain’t from a major party takes votes away from good Conservative canadates. Just look what happened when Perot got on the ballot. We got 8 long, long years of Clinton.

Besides, I don’t want people like this Norwood woman on the ballot. She’s a race-mixer and liable to vote for librul stuff. That’s what Fulton County wants. Which is why I live in Forsyth.

So I say make it hard as a Sister Dusty biscuit to get on a ballot for anybody that don’t have a R after their name. What you think we got parties for?

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

Brad Steel

July 19th, 2010
4:42 pm

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, especially when your job is an f’n lawmaker.

I’m having trouble being sympathetic.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
4:45 pm

Does GA law address write-in campaigns?

@@

July 19th, 2010
4:57 pm

I don’t live in Atlanta, but I think Norwood would have made a great mayor. I’ve got gay friends who live there. They were outraged by the Democratic Party of Georgia’s attempts to paint Norwood as a Republican. Pithed at Kasim Reed too, they are.

What….was the DPG and Reed afraid a pro-marriage equality candidate may end up as mayor?

Never trust a Democrat, fellow or otherwise.

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AmVet,

I truly think she has a thing for you.

Midori:

Are you sure you don’t have me confused with somebody else?

I’m not the one who’s been telling AmVet, for years, how much he “RAWKS!”

That would be YOU.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 19th, 2010
4:58 pm

Maybe she should dig for dirt like the dummycrats do, would that make kookman happy?

moonbat betty

July 19th, 2010
4:59 pm

Wonder what kind of obstacles testicles the Tea Party would be subjected to.

there…fixed your typo for you, kamchak.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
5:04 pm

How does this Norwood person expect to get elected anyway without first putting together a good bumper sticker campaign. I figure she needs at least three from Newt’s repertoire such as “Drill This”, “Abort Gays – Not Fetuses”, and “Deport ‘em All – Til the Next Harvest.” The Republicans will be swooning and thinking they done died and gone to heaven.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
5:06 pm

The Marxists in the GOP and the Leninists in the Democratic Party have their own little American Politburo going. Aka the Central Committee’s Political Bureau. A stranglehold on all political power.

And they are never, ever going to relinquish any power until it is taken from them.

NO other voices are allowed. No other competition of ideas is tolerated.

They are abject failures and arguably traitors. And their party apparatus should be dismantled immediately…

Pogo

July 19th, 2010
5:12 pm

Jay, it would be easier to believe you on this particular topic if you didn’t sow hyper-partisan seeds that favor anything liberal/progressive here day in and day out. I mean, knowing you as a journalist, as anyone that reads you does, how could anyone believe that you would receptive to the idea of an independent candidate unless said candidate was a liberal/progressive like yourself? You have hemmed yourself into a political fence of your own making. Anyone in todays world that believes there is only one way of doing political business is a fool. Loyalty to a party is idiocy but the truth is, there aren’t that many people out here anymore that are even enough engaged into what is really going on to make informed decisions (thus the election of a Obama). Unfortunately, like yourself, there are far too many out there that vote only on their beliefs and their biases. If you want evidence of that, just look at your blog.

And besides, how many carbon credits did you burn in your trip crossing America last week? Though you say you only drive 20 miles per week that trip must have been at least 2500 miles wasn’t it? That must have set you back by about, let’s say, 125 weeks in the Goregon manual of conscientous climate nuts didn’t it? You better hoof it for the next two and a quarter years man. That is if you are a “true” believer.

Richard

July 19th, 2010
5:13 pm

AmVet,

You had me fooled. I thought you were talking about Republicans.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
5:14 pm

Norwood isn’t without a little bit of court precedent to lean on, albeit from another state’s court. In New Jersey it was clearly too late under state law to replace Torecelli on the ballot a few years back, but the court found that the right of the voters to have a choice trumped state law and if Norwood has enough signatures she’s got a pretty good argument that the people want that choice.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
5:15 pm

AmVet
I will have to disagree with your 5:06…the GOP are the Stalinists and the Dems are the Trotskyites…Marx and Lenin have long since been purged from the respective politburos.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
5:15 pm

Jay,

You could write whatever you want and still win over the hearts and minds of the Republicans that frequent your blog if yo uwould only develop a more appropriate closing line. Something like, “Of course it is nothing that a tax cut would not fix.”

Southern Comfort

July 19th, 2010
5:21 pm

Dems and Repubs give up their stranglehold on the electoral process??? You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning while cashing in your Mega Millions and Powerball tickets after winning on consecutive days. In other words, it ain’t gonna happen.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
5:27 pm

jonix, at any rate, they’re a bunch of damn commies!

SoCo, well I ain’t sitting at the back of the bus anymore! In fact I’m taking my Third Party rear end down to the Woolworth’s lunch counter!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greensboro_sit-in_counter.jpg

Paul

July 19th, 2010
5:30 pm

Something liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans agreed on, passed laws for and perpetuate:

Work against democracy and the will of the people.

Paul

July 19th, 2010
5:31 pm

Did I say it’s just another example of money and power?

Do I need to?

Moderate Line

July 19th, 2010
5:36 pm

Wow! Something non-partisan. The United States has a two party system for a reason. The two parties contrive to enusre no other parties have access offices. In some areas we effectively only have one party which means the people selecting the officials are the ones showing up in the primaries.

We once had only 3 network TV stations now look.

Pogo

July 19th, 2010
5:37 pm

Methinks “Sister Dusty” must have stabbed Redneck deeply. He is still smarting. Inane satire from some partisan hack who thinks they are some kind of comedian is really kind of sad. Of course Dusty, you may have damaged the only thing this person may have to make themselves feel relavent. Maybe you should just humour him and let him go.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 19th, 2010
5:37 pm

Now that the socialists have taken over the nation’s financial system it’s time to move on new and even more corrupting form of fascism, and you don’t have to guess what their target is, just tune into their for hire stooges in the pinko media

Every investigation, both here in the United States and in the United Kingdom, has cleared researchers of supposed scientific wrongdoing.-kookman

They “investigated” themselves, um, why does this not concern our little toady?

The inquiry by former U.K. civil servant Muir Russell into the scandal at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit found there was no evidence of dishonesty or corruption in the more than 1,000 e-mails stolen and posted to the Internet late last year. But he did chide the scientists involved for failing to share their data with critics.

Aahhh, a government servant, how impartial.

Ok in the past we have seen stations on rooftops, at sewage treatment plants, over concrete, next to air conditioners, next to diesel generators, with nearby parking, excessive nighttime humidity, and at non-standard observing heights.

Imagine a USHCN station that embraces all of that. I give you the Titusville, FL USHCN station:

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/weather_stations/

You have to be truly stupid to fall for another government scam, their health “care” legislation is a big fat lie, the stimulus is a big, fat lie, financial reform enriches Wall Street Bankers, what does your feeble little mind not understand about this?

Just askin…

Dusty

July 19th, 2010
5:41 pm

Well, if there is anything I hate it is political duopoly. It is even more boring than table monopoly! And Tripoli….nevermind.

It looks like Norwood got a dirty deal. Are you surprised? Boyd probably got one too but he was a dark horse (if not a good looking one) at that. I hoped they would make it but never thought they would.

As the old song goes, ” People keep acoming but the train dun gone..” Reid is mayor. Norwood’s fighting a losing battle. Boyd? Who knows? The law is the law is the law.

I doubt anyone at the state capitol is interested. I can see why. They have enough on their plate now to try and set straight. Where’s Solomon when you need him?

Pogo

July 19th, 2010
5:42 pm

“Nothing but a Tax Cut wouldn’t Fix”.

The official democratic line, “Nothing that a Spending Program wouldn’t fix, even though we can’t tax enough to pay for it”.

Paul

July 19th, 2010
5:43 pm

Pogo

“Inane satire from some partisan hack who thinks they are some kind of comedian is really kind of sad.”

I think it safe to say I’m not the only one who looks forward to, and appreciates the wit, style and expression of Redneck Convert.

Dusty has a sense of humor. I imagine the references bring a smile.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 19th, 2010
5:43 pm

The next time obozo tells the truth will also be the first time, just sayin…

Fred

July 19th, 2010
5:44 pm

So what is the point of this particular blog Jay? I don’t get it. I think you covered everything in a few short paragraphs that needs to be said. It can be summarized as:

Neither Republicans nor Democrats want Independents running for office. They (the pubs and dems) make all the laws. The laws are legal. The laws won’t change, since only dems and pubs can make the laws.

Did I miss anything?

Normal

July 19th, 2010
5:44 pm

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
4:18 pm
Well, here’s a topic more germane than the last thread…

WTF? What’s the Germans got to do with Georgia politics? You callin Jay a Nazi? :)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 19th, 2010
5:47 pm

Well, well, like I was sayin…

On Monday, Breitbart posted a video of a speech by Shirley Sherrod, USDA Rural Development Georgia State Director, delivered at the NAACP’s 20th Annual Freedom Fund Banquet.

“I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn’t give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough,” Sherrod said. “So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him.”

Now we get to see how selective kookman’s faux outrage really is, hahahaha, just sayin…

Resign now, Shirley.

@@

July 19th, 2010
5:47 pm

Oh lawd! Breitbart is going for blood, as in jugular, not Bloods. Didn’t want anybody to think….well, you know…..

SHOCK: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/tea.party.naacp.2.1812710.html

Dis could get bewee nasty.

@@

July 19th, 2010
5:48 pm

Oops! I see Andy got there before me.

@@

July 19th, 2010
5:50 pm

The NAACP had no immediate response Monday afternoon.

That’s always a bad sign.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
5:51 pm

The problem with these fringe third parties gaining any traction is twofold. The obvious is that they’re the fringe, but the other problem is that their loudest advocates are usually stark raving lunatics.

Southern Comfort

July 19th, 2010
5:52 pm

AmV

That’s where I think the Tea Party supporters missed their calling. There’s more than enough of them to back viable 3rd party candidates. Allowing the Republicans to ride shotgun kills that idea. The original Tea Party was a revolt against the system. They didn’t allow part of the system to co-opt their protest. If the Tea Party supporters banned together to run and support true fiscal conservatives and not pseudo-conservatives, they could have really shaken up the 2010 electoral season.

Dusty

I didn’t get to respond back to you the other night about the scholarships. The scholarships I saw people get from the NAACP were not school specific. The students went to many of the schools close to home. You might be confusing them with the UNCF (United Negro College Fund). Those scholarships are for students attending Historically Black Colleges and Universities or HBCU’s. Even then, the big mistake people make with those schools with that designation is that they’re often referred to as “Black Colleges”. That is far from the truth as many have increased enrollment of non-Blacks over the past decade or two in order to gain funding from the states as most are state-supported schools.

Normal

July 19th, 2010
5:52 pm

Normal

July 19th, 2010
5:53 pm

@@

July 19th, 2010
5:48 pm
Oops! I see Andy got there before me.

@@,
THAT I would never admit… ;)

@@

July 19th, 2010
5:55 pm

Normal:

I’m proud to say, I’ve always liked Andy. Always will. He tolerates my liberal short comings.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:02 pm

Normal

Now why would I call our Jacobin host a nazi…that’s just plumb hyperbole! :-)

Jay

July 19th, 2010
6:03 pm

What Sherrod says in that video — and what she apparently did — are deeply troubling, @@. She might very well have earned a firing.

But I’d like to see that rest of that video as well, because at the point it abruptly ends, she appears to be saying that it’s wrong to think in terms of black and white, that she came to see things as more accurately divided between poor and rich than by race.

Breitbart clearly has the whole speech. Let’s see the rest of it. But yes, the sentiments Sherrod expresses in the segment highlighted reflect a dangerous sentiment on the part of a public servant.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
6:05 pm

SoCo, and thus my moniker for them, the Teapublicans. What a farce. Especially for a “grass roots” movement.

Paul, one of the many great failings of the political right is this very topic, as evidenced by the occasional flame thrower like mike and Pogo towards Redneck.

He is clever and as you noted, witty, and they just hate that. Especially as there is a complete absence of it in their staid and puritanical ranks.

It seems that McCarthy/Nixon/Agnew etc were the genesis of this modern day Republicans as mean little pr*cks persona. Then the thespian, albeit a horrible one, Ronnie came along and tried to use levity. But for the most part he was about as lame as could be punctuated by occasional comedic brilliance. But then they returned to the historic modus operandi of being hyper-dickheads with Newt, Barr, the garden variety neo-cons, George, and of course, DickHead himself.

Simply put these faux conservatives take themselves WAY WAY WAY too seriously. They are incapable of any self-effacement and by and large simply have a horrible sense of humor. Infected by an enraged and warped worldview of war first, war last, war always. Of course as long as somebody else is doing the fighting and dying.

And they wonder why they are forever fodder for comedians and people with enlightened perspectives and why damn near everybody who is not hung up and living in the 1950s withe them can’t stand to be around them…

Dusty

July 19th, 2010
6:11 pm

POGO,

Me humour RedNeck?? Heck, I don’t even like to go to the Zoo. Much less play with the animals.
Besides, he insulted my biscuits!

But you are right. We should be kind to the err rrr “insufficients”. They should be fed and watered daily.

Strangely enough, I feel RedNeck lives on a golf course by the lake in the Haughty Heights Subdivision. He hasn’t seen a beer truck since prohibition days. If he’s a Republican, I’m a whing ding Whig!!!.

But, RedNeck IS one of a kind. We can be thankful for that. Whooppeee!!! .

Me

July 19th, 2010
6:11 pm

People this is Jay’s blog and he can choose any topic he likes;”with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things”. I am tired of hearing your whining about his topics. Go out and create your own blog if you are not happy with the topics. You are welcome Jay.

md

July 19th, 2010
6:12 pm

“The problem with these fringe third parties gaining any traction is twofold. The obvious is that they’re the fringe, but the other problem is that their loudest advocates are usually stark raving lunatics.”

Depends on what is considered as a “third” party. Seems it may be time for a centrist party to counter the left and right, as there are plenty of independents that sit between the two. I would vote for many a blue dog democrat, but can’t knowing the baggage that comes with them. Same for the other “side”.

It’s the lunatics within the current parties that has me concerned.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
6:13 pm

I’m not sure if this is the same video but it sure doesn’t sound to me like it got abruptly cut off just as she started to realize it was just a rich/poor thing, because she clearly got back to saying it really was about race and then it got cut off.

Southern Comfort

July 19th, 2010
6:17 pm

Seems it may be time for a centrist party to counter the left and right, as there are plenty of independents that sit between the two

I’d be willing to give that a chance. I believe that moderates from both parties who are more centrist in nature have more in common wih each other versus their respective parties. Maybe we could regain some common sense in DC in the process.

Southern Comfort

July 19th, 2010
6:18 pm

RW

That’s the same video that’s on Breitbart’s website. I can’t tell whether she was about to reveal that she was wrong or not, but from what’s said in that video, she’s got a huge hole to try to dig herself out of. That video is pretty damning.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:19 pm

ME

” Go out and create your own blog if you are not happy with the topics.”

We do and the Bruin lets us. That’s why I like him.

@@

July 19th, 2010
6:22 pm

jay:

Why even bother presenting that story to the NAACP. Why all the theatrics? Is that what the NAACP needs to hear.

Later on, at the end of the speech, and the way I understand it, she’s encouraging people to go to work for the government ’cause they’ll never find themselves (them being anybody, in my opinion) without a job.

Geez!

Pogo

July 19th, 2010
6:22 pm

Paul, I think the only one here that does not have a real sense of humour is the Redneck. He is deadly serious in his invictives against everything Southern and everyone that doesn’t believe as he does.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:23 pm

“Seems it may be time for a centrist party to counter the left and right, as there are plenty of independents that sit between the two”

I agree in the best interest of the country. I’m left of the Democrats–lunatic fringe by my own admission–but even I would have to take a second look at a true centrist party since, my own philosophies aside, is where the country lies…

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
6:24 pm

SoCo,

There’s always a chance that the guy really didn’t get slighted in treatment in which case she can just play the “bad choice of words” card.

Even if she really did come to a perspective of redemption, like Jay B seems to think may have happened, it really doesn’t change Breitbart’s point about elements within the NAACP because the point is more the crowd reaction to what she’s saying and that doesn’t change no matter how she finishes her story.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:26 pm

POGO

I pretty much agree with you on Redneck. His poor command of the dialect is really what bothers me more than what he says.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
6:26 pm

So, where do all these “conservatives” and “tea partiers” and such fit in with the order of things D and R since the I’s surely don’t have it.

Jefferson

July 19th, 2010
6:27 pm

Political Unions…ain’t ya’ll proud.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
6:27 pm

I think Pogo is trying to challenge Redneck. Poor Pogo. He doesn’t stand a chance.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Okay, Paul, I see the EOI is here taking care of bidness… :-)

Dusty

July 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

OH my goodness, poor RedNeck, I will send you a sympathy card as soon as I can find one at the Dollar Store. Seems you forgot to tell some folks you are funny.. But I’ll say it for you. RedNeck is funny from head to toe, ’specially in the head. Never saw a better clown! (I’m good at compliments!)

RedNeck, honey chile, sleep tight and don’t let the bedbugs bite! (That’s a little joke, AmVet! Now relax!)

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
6:28 pm

Where would one draw the boundaries of the center?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

Like I was sayin, hahaha

Williams has since pulled that letter, but the sentiments behind it are clear.

But I’d like to see that rest of that video as well, because at the point it abruptly ends, she appears to be saying that it’s wrong to think in terms of black and white, that she came to see things as more accurately divided between poor and rich than by race.

Guess which one is from the white guy…

Southern Comfort

July 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

RW

There’s probably a great deal of bigotry within the NAACP. I wouldn’t doubt it. There’s probably some racism as well. Instead of pointing the finger at each other, this would seem like an opportunity for the two groups to sit down and have a frank, open discussion on bigotry and racism. It would probably do the country a great deal of good, as I think we are long overdue for a serious frank discussion on bigotry, racism and classism.

Sherrod does not do a bit of good for the NAACP by her actions. If she’s sharing her actions as a story of redemption, then maybe that will teach others to not do what she did.

@@

July 19th, 2010
6:29 pm

No one ever knows what a third-party candidate stands for, or will do, until they serve. Democrats switch to Republican. Republicans switch to Democrat. Both go independent when it suits ‘em.

SHOW ME YOUR BASIC PRINCIPLES AS THEY APPLY TO SPENDING!!! If you stick to those principles throughout your first term, I’ll vote for you again. If not, I won’t.

It’s as simple as that.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
6:32 pm

md, didn’t you get the memo? The problem is that anybody who doesn’t parrot even the most absurd nonsense, proffered by the R&D Party is a loon!

Even Ron Paul was called so by his fellow Republicans.

And after McCain, he was the ONLY decent choice among those ten clowns on the GOP slate for POTUS…

Hillbilly Deluxe

July 19th, 2010
6:33 pm

As long as the Democrats and the Republicans are writing the laws, this isn’t going to change. What monopoly won’t try to protect itself?

What I’d like to see (don’t get excited; it’ll never happen), is a no party system. Let anybody that wants to and can pay the qualifying fee ($100 max for a state race) plunk down their money and get on the ballot. We might need to add a round of elections to weed it down to say 8 or 10, then a runoff between the top 2, from the 8 or 10. Without party labels to hide behind, candidates might actually talk about what they intend to do.

And after all, in theory anyway, isn’t any non-felon who meets the requirements supposed to be able to run for office.

As for Mary Norwood, I know nothing about her. I’m too busy trying to throw out the jackasses, up here in the Hills.

Pogo

July 19th, 2010
6:33 pm

“Me”, what is there to say about derriere kissers? And besides, who whines about a blog in a progressive subserviant news outlet like the Atlanta journal which is only going to tell one thing about one side of the story? It is by far not a blog about a lot of things. It is a blog about one thing and one thing only, progressive ideology.

md

July 19th, 2010
6:36 pm

“Where would one draw the boundaries of the center?”

I guess that would be for one to decide as far as voters go, and there are many dems and reps already that could slide in as candidates.

@@

July 19th, 2010
6:36 pm

I liked a lot of what Ron Paul said. It’s just that I’m not into an isolationist and a racist.

Ron Paul is both.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:36 pm

“We might need to add a round of elections to weed it down to say 8 or 10, then a runoff between the top 2, from the 8 or 10″

Now see, that’s where the “ranking” system would be useful. No runoffs needed, just rank all the candidates and the one with the best ranking wins.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
6:38 pm

The problem is that the Democrats of today are stomping down on the gas pedal and don’t even realize the damn think is in park.

And the hemorrhaging GOP?

They’re stomping down on the gas pedal and they’re so clueless they don’t realize they’re in reverse.

WATCH OUT!!!

md

July 19th, 2010
6:39 pm

My take on Redneck:

It isn’t how something is said, it is what is said.

Therefore I tend to scroll on by funny or not. If one is a bigot, racist, jerk, etc. with a smile on their face, they are still a bigot, racist, jerk, etc.

Southern Comfort (EOI since 2010)

July 19th, 2010
6:41 pm

md

I was trying to come up with something to that effect, but just couldn’t find the words.

HD & Doggone

The two of you need to rewrite Georgia election law. I could go for something like that. It would give the average citizen a chance to participate in government.

md

July 19th, 2010
6:45 pm

“What I’d like to see (don’t get excited; it’ll never happen), is a no party system. Let anybody that wants to and can pay the qualifying fee ($100 max for a state race) plunk down their money and get on the ballot. We might need to add a round of elections to weed it down to say 8 or 10, then a runoff between the top 2, from the 8 or 10.”

Good idea, but would probably require several more rounds. Might have several million folks voting for several million folks, all getting one or two votes. Might take a while to weed it down.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:47 pm

Thanks SoCo…but we’d have to get it past people like RW, who said on the previous blog (where I also brought up ranking voting): “You really want to use that with an electorate that can’t handle a butterfly ballot or successfully punch a hole in a piece of paper?”

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:48 pm

“Might take a while to weed it down.”

See above about “ranking” voting.

md

July 19th, 2010
6:50 pm

Rank according to what and by whom??

@@

July 19th, 2010
6:51 pm

Elections cost money. The more primaries, run-offs, whatever you wanna call ‘em will cost more money. An expensive weed killer, if you ask me.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:53 pm

“Rank according to what and by whom??”

Rank in order of preference…by the voters, in the voting booth.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:53 pm

RW
Your question about drawing the lines for centrist is legitimate. I would say that they are relatively fluid and that a true centrist movement would have a left-centrist and a right-centrist wing. We as a people do tend to swing between right and left centricism–the problem as it is at present is that we have only two parties, one left and one right, both of which have been hijacked by their extremists and the natural and healthy swing has become equally extreme and so far off center as to be dangerous to the equilibrium of the socio-political structure and thus threatening to our democratic insitutions.

Southern Comfort (EOI since 2010)

July 19th, 2010
6:53 pm

Doggone

That could be easily remedied. Have one uniform style of voting ballot for any and all elections. Just as we have standards for gasoline and things, we should make the ballot a standard format. Begin teaching children how to vote and understand the process in middle school. If they’re used to it by the time they graduate high school, then you do away withthe learning issues.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2010
6:55 pm

As long as we’re piling on RC you can put me in the mostly scroll camp, but it’s not from any kind of offense. He just repeats himself all the time and I don’t waste much time with people that say the same things over and over whether they’re wannabe comics or pompous windbags.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:56 pm

“one uniform style of voting ballot for any and all elections.”

I believe if you go back and read it again, there’s an implication not QUITE stated, that the voters are too stupid to understand that way of voting. At least, that’s what *I* read in it.

But yes, I agree that a standardized ballot would be essential.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
6:57 pm

We pretty much have a ranking system now with the primaries. It’s just that the two parties have a stranglehold on it as the thread points out.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:57 pm

“Elections cost money. The more primaries, run-offs, whatever you wanna call ‘em will cost more money. An expensive weed killer, if you ask me.”

Sound like you might agree with whoever it was that said: the most efficient form of government is a benevelent dictatorship

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2010
6:58 pm

“We as a people do tend to swing between right and left centricism”

Josef…as I see it, it doesn’t matter how you structure it…it’s always going to come down to two parties: those who agree and those who don’t agree

Paul

July 19th, 2010
6:59 pm

Pogo 6:22

“I think the only one here that does not have a real sense of humour is the Redneck. He is deadly serious in his invictives against everything Southern and everyone that doesn’t believe as he does.”

We’ll just have to disagree on that. I guess we just see things differently.

SoCom

“I believe that moderates from both parties who are more centrist in nature have more in common wih each other versus their respective parties.”

But it’s the ones at the margins who dominate with the influence on who the nominee is going to be. Hence all the talk in the national primaries of “appeal to the activist base, get the nomination then tack to the middle to get elected.”

RW-(the original) 6:24

Just another example of where the NAACP’s out of step with Pres Obama’s pronouncements on race?

Not just some whites who have problems with this new Black President… Support him verbally on the big policy issues, but as far as modifying their own views or behavior…. :-)

josef nix 6:27

:-)

If that didn’t, this post will!

SoCom 6:29

“Sherrod does not do a bit of good for the NAACP by her actions.”

Hey, maybe the NAACP can issue a statement condemning bigotry and racism with its ranks and send a letter to Pres Obama decrying the same in his administration’s public servants and calling on him to do the same??

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
7:00 pm

SoCo
We do start teaching the kids about the ballot and how it’s put in 5th Grade…They get it. Many of our high school students have turned 18 and are registered voters.

I daresay our fifth graders make just as informed choices as their parents! Maybe even more so…!

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
7:02 pm

Because most districts have been gerrymandered they are nothing more than a vehicle for an incumbency protection racket. And these elected “leaders” do not have to be concerned about any view but that of their own Party because there are enough votes in that district to to ensure victory.

So they are NOT remotely providing a voice for all voters in their district. Nor is the fate of that representative tied to what is in the best national interest.

These men and women are elected with mountains of dirty money and they feel no obligation whatsoever to their national responsibilities. So instead we suffer through the endless hyper-partisan, zero-sum politics that plays out in Washington each and every day.

@@

July 19th, 2010
7:02 pm

Doggone:

You guys are looking for a voter’s utopia. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…

Utopia and mankind cannot occupy the same vessel. It’s impossible.

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
7:05 pm

Sorry, Redneck the consensus among your fellow conned seems to be that there is no humor allowed in their globally cooled parallel reality!

md

July 19th, 2010
7:05 pm

“Rank in order of preference…by the voters, in the voting booth.”

The law of averages would still apply and it would still require numerous rounds to weed it out.

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
7:09 pm

PAUL and SoCo
As an adherent to the EOI policy…

Of course the NAACP and Tea Party have bigots, racists and mean, hateful and spiteful members. So does the GOP, the Democrat Party, The Roman Catholic Church, the Reform Movement of American Judaism, the AARP, the Ladies Late Aftetnoon Tea and Bridge Society or any other organization composed of individuals. Go looking for them, and you can find them a plenty no matter where you look and it is up to each organization to police its own and see that their bad apples don’t spoil the whole lot. The overwhelming majority of any of these groups are NOT that. Just look at the blog posters here for reconfirmation…

md

July 19th, 2010
7:09 pm

“Sorry, Redneck the consensus among your fellow conned”

And why would you assume he is a “con”???

AmVet

July 19th, 2010
7:10 pm

md, you must not read his shtick…

josef nix

July 19th, 2010
7:12 pm

Redneck tries, he’s as good as he knows how to be. Bless his heart… :-)

@@

July 19th, 2010
7:12 pm

To add…

Somebody, somewhere, said it best. A quote from ol’ Ben Franklin.

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin

I, a conservative, support businesses, who can reward me thru employment, local revenue in the county where I live, competitive pricing, and the like.

Democrats vote for government, and all their empty promises of better things to come.

Now, if I were say, a conservative democrat who voted for a candidate who professed to be fiscally responsible, but who then, went on a spending spree once I helped him/her into office, I wouldn’t vote for him/her next time around. Problem is….if there were a bunch of other voters (democrats) who were making out like bandits, they’d cancel my no vote, and the spending spree would continue.

The federal government should function only in the capacity set out by the Constitution. Anything beyond that is overstepping the boundaries set.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
7:13 pm

I figure in a few more posts the rightwing nuts will have us talked into the great benefits of a two-party system especially since they are not currently in power in Washington.

md

July 19th, 2010
7:13 pm

“I daresay our fifth graders make just as informed choices as their parents! Maybe even more so…!”

That doesn’t speak well for today’s society………..

and the way it is going, those 5th graders may actually BE parents. Sad, sad, sad………..

md

July 19th, 2010
7:15 pm

“md, you must not read his shtick…”

And how would one know?? Is it paraody or reality??

Paul

July 19th, 2010
7:18 pm

josef nix

“or any other organization composed of individuals. ”

So the Democratic and Republican parties are clean on this, right? ‘Cause I read here over and over how they’re not comprised of individuals, they’re comprised of lemmings!”

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2010
7:20 pm

Thirty percent of Georgia schools fail to make the grade. This calls for a tax cut.