GOP continues to stiff-arm America’s unemployed

Congressional Republicans continue to block an extension of unemployment benefits for the longterm jobless. Since the last extension expired on June 2, an estimated 1.2 million Americans have lost that economic lifeline, a number that grows every week.

In Georgia alone, an additional 7,000 jobless people are losing unemployment benefits every week because of the GOP’s stance. In fact, 47 percent of unemployed Georgians haven’t had a paycheck in at least six months, which means that by now, most of them have exhausted their savings and have no other resources to draw upon.

According to some, of course, that’s a good thing. They prefer to believe that there are jobs out there going unclaimed because people prefer to live on their unemployment check, which in Georgia maxes out at the princely sum of $330 a week. The fact that on average, there are five job applicants for every job opening doesn’t seem to penetrate the calloused and the smug.

The legislation also includes Medicaid money that state governments have been relying upon to balance their budgets. Georgia, for example, has built an expected $375 million in Medicaid assistance into its budget for fiscal 2011, which begins tomorrow. Without that money, Georgia will have to find that money somewhere else, which will mean drastic cuts in health care and perhaps another round of teacher layoffs as well.

The GOP argues that it wants the bill to be “paid for” with offsetting cuts elsewhere so that it won’t worsen the deficit by another $35 billion over 10 years. Interestingly, that concern about the deficit seems to disappear when the debate turns to extending Bush-era cuts on the capital gains and estate taxes, for example. Renewing those cuts would have a far bigger and more long-term impact on the deficit than will temporary aid to the unemployed and the sick.

But you gotta have prioirities, right?

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Granny Godzilla

June 30th, 2010
8:46 am

I have come to the conclusion that as part of the “want Obama to fail strategy” the GOP is actively and purposefully obstructing anything and everything that can possibly be done to help the economy and those Americans struggling to hold on.

The GOP appears willing to torpedo the economy in order to help themselves in the mid-terms.

Pretty sick stuff.

jt

June 30th, 2010
8:46 am

I thought Democrats controlled both houses of congress.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
8:47 am

GOP continues to get a stiffy over Americans unemployed.

fyt.

Gale

June 30th, 2010
8:47 am

This is a really tough issue. I think I blame the state for some of the job lack. Many of the unemployed were involved in the uncontrolled construction in the metro area. If GA government was on the ball, we would have had infrastructure projects lined up and ready to receive some of the federal stimulus money. Some of those workers could have transitioned to those projects. Less unemployment, fewer foreclosures, more tax revenue. Politicians need to plan something other than their next campaign.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
8:50 am

They don’t have 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster, jt.

But then again, you knew that already. So what’s your REAL point?

pat

June 30th, 2010
8:54 am

How long would you suggest unemployment benifits go on. One year? Two years? Or is it to be open ended and with out end?

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:55 am

” Renewing those cuts would have a far bigger and more long-term impact on the deficit than will temporary aid to the unemployed and the sick. But you gotta have prioirities, right?”

Yes, because the GOP is a bunch of heartless jerks who don’t care about anyone. That is so much easier than having a rational and civil debate. So much easier to just cast the people who dare to disagree with you as immoral.

Hey Jay. Michael Gerson wrote an article about you today:

” One of the most significant divisions in American public life is not between the Democrats and the Republicans; it is between the Ugly Party and the Grown-Up Party.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062903841.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

He makes the same point that I do, namely that demagogues on the left and demagogues on the right are the same. And he is right. You are.

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
8:56 am

Haven’t you Democrats learned how to balance a checkbook yet? You can’t keep spending, spending, spending, spending more than you take in. That’s finance and accounting 101.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:56 am

you’re right, Pat – these people should just “decrease the surplus population” … I mean … are there no workhouses???!!!

RW-(the original)

June 30th, 2010
8:56 am

Funny how we’re constantly told that the GOP had full control of the government for six of the GWB years, even though they only had a majority in the Senate for a little over four years and never had anywhere near 60 Senators, yet the Democrats are blameless because they don’t have 60.

NowReally

June 30th, 2010
8:57 am

The sad thing is that, in the past, people could rely on charities to help supplement income. However, the charities are struggle to provide funds for simple utility bills and food. Well, I guess if they can’t get unemployment insurance they can sign up for welfare and public housing. Or help to fill up the already to capacity homeless shelters.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:57 am

mike – I responded to your (ahem) “grown up” post downstairs.

jt

June 30th, 2010
8:59 am

Jay

My point is priorities.

The Demos could do it if they wanted. Remember ObamanationCare?

But it is so much easier to just blame the opposition. And besides, the repugs are just wanting to PAY for the extension. How very 20th century.

thomas

June 30th, 2010
9:00 am

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:56 am

I understand what you are saying. It is terrible that some are losing everything. But I also would say that life is never fair, and that a man is not truely judged by good times… but by bad!

I think it is a valid question though….. how long are democrats going to propose extending benifits? Will this be the last extension? Do we keep the unemployed on benifits for as long as needed eventually?

pat

June 30th, 2010
9:01 am

Sinple question, for how long should jobless benifit go on for?

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:02 am

USinUK -

Yeah, just took a look at your “response”, which was nothing of the sort. You claim that Gerson “throws spit balls” but the only “evidence” you provide is a quote that Franken should not be taken seriously.

Like all mindless partisans, you are incapable of accepting criticism of “your side”, regardless of how harsh your criticism of “their side” is. Get over it. Demagogues on the left are as bad as demagogues on the right. Anyone who would debate that one way or the other is incapable of rational thought.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:04 am

The standard limit on unemployment benefits is 26 weeks. During this crisis it has been extended to 99 weeks. The bills in question would continue to fund benefits for those between 26 and 99 weeks. In that sense it is not extending benefits any longer, it merely attempts to fund extensions already granted.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:05 am

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:05 am

Unlike Jay or any other rigid partisan, liberal or conservative, Gerson is capable of criticizing “his side”:

“Unlike Weigel, most members of the Ugly Party — liberal and conservative — have little interest in keeping their views private. “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh,” Ann Coulter once said, “is he did not go to the New York Times building.” Radio host Mike Malloy suggested that Glenn Beck “do the honorable thing and blow his brains out.” Conservatives carry signs at Obama rallies: “We Came Unarmed (This Time).” Liberals carried signs at Bush rallies: “Save Mother Earth, Kill Bush.” Says John Avlon, author of “Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America,” “If you only take offense when the president of your party is compared to Hitler, then you’re part of the problem.”"

Anyone ever see Jay criticize a liberal pundit? Is that because they never said anything worthy of criticism or is that Jay’s sense of partisanship far outweighs his sense of decency?

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:05 am

“it merely attempts to fund extensions already granted.”

Too bad we can’t afford it.

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
9:06 am

“Sinple question, for how long should jobless benifit go on for?”

Simple (minded) answer: we don’t need no stinkin’ jobless benefits…those who can’t find a job should be begging in the streets

NowReally

June 30th, 2010
9:06 am

pat

June 30th, 2010
9:01 am

They have been taking the money out of my check for more than 20 years. I have never collected once the entire time I have been of working age. So to answer your question. I would say until I find a JOB.

That’s my take as a person who is not currently unemployed and has never been unemployed.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:06 am

thomas – unfortunately, too many republicans seem to think that the people receiving unemployment benefits are doing so by choice – oh, yeah, they COULD be working, but, hey, these unemployment checks are SA-WEET!

I do agree with the question about how long to extend benefits – and I wish I had the answer. I do think, though, that, despite 5 consecutive months of job growth, it seems too soon to cut the safety net out from under the people who have been without a job for more than 6 months …

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:06 am

RW, the Dems didn’t use the filibuster to block every Bush initiative.

The GOP, on the other hand, has blown away previous records with its use of that provision.

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:07 am

If those who lost their jobs had saved for a rainy day they might be a lil more prepared. Both my parents have been out of work for well over a year and the are surviving just fine. They arent particularly happy about the UI benefits cuts, however, neither are they scrambling for $$$ or about to lose the house, autos etc.

“Pay me now or pay me later” remains relevant to this day.

NowReally

June 30th, 2010
9:07 am

That was currently EMPLOYED and has never been unemployed.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:07 am

Can we afford to extend the capital gains tax cut, Peadawg?

dt

June 30th, 2010
9:08 am

Ya sure let all of the unemployed go on welfare, then we won’t have to pay taxes, that really helps the economy. Unemployment is taxable by both federal and state, and is taxed the same as working income.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:08 am

mike – “but the only “evidence” you provide is a quote that Franken should not be taken seriously”

:lol: wow. well done, you, on your total lack of reading skillz … maybe you should stick with Captain Underpants since the WaPo seems a bit beyond you …

Keep up the good fight!

June 30th, 2010
9:08 am

Laughable post of the day “Haven’t you Democrats learned how to balance a checkbook yet? You can’t keep spending, spending, spending, spending more than you take in. That’s finance and accounting 101.”

Sure Dems did…they left a surplus in 2000 and then came the Republicans who just went nuts….now we have to clean up the mess. In fact if you bothered to read and think through Jay’s post, the “checkbook” was thrown way off when the Republicans cut “income” and now rather than try to balance the book by reinstating that “income”, the Republicans want to continue to forgo that “income” and cut the minimum support to families that have no jobs. Let the children begin dying.

Meanwhile the first billionaire estate just passed through to the heirs without a single dime in estate taxes.

Gator Joe

June 30th, 2010
9:09 am

Jay,
Thanks for continuing to shed light on, yet another example of, the mindless “scorched earth” political policy of Congressional Republicans. None of them [Republicans] stand to lose their homes, or have their utilities turned off, or worse yet struggle to feed their families. For all their profession of how strong their Christian beliefs are, they seem to ignore, “But for the grace of God, there go I,” or “Whatever you do for the least of my people, you do unto Me.”

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:09 am

“The GOP, on the other hand, has blown away previous records with its use of that provision.”

You want some cheese w/ that whine, Jay?

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:09 am

Republicans are what?

Have you no shame Jay.

Republicans don’t have the majority on anything, yet you continue to openly lie about who should be held at fault.

And sadly enough, you will be given a pass by your puppets on here.

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:10 am

Gator Joe

Who has the majority in Congress?

DS

June 30th, 2010
9:10 am

It is not the GOP that “doesn’t care about people.” Harry Reid has had several opportunities to get this past and help those in need right now…..like me. But he is putting politics above the needs of the people. He should be run out of town…and hopefully will be in November. All the GOP is asking for is another way to pay for it and want a “stand alone” bill. Even though a stand alone was offered early last week by another Democrat, Harry Reid burried it and won’t let it come up for debate or vote. Tell me he cares more about helping those caught up in the worst recession in my lifetime (35 years in the workplace) than he does about playing political games and trying to make it look like the GOP is blocking the extension. I would say you can’t see the forest for the trees.

Gus

June 30th, 2010
9:10 am

Total gridlock in the Senate. How will the GOP get anything passed in the future.

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:11 am

“Can we afford to extend the capital gains tax cut, Peadawg?”

No. Like I said…we need to take in more than we spend. First, that includes making cuts, NOT PROPOSING NEW SPENDING BILLS.

tscali

June 30th, 2010
9:12 am

the dems are running on empty. where are those jobs obama promised?

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:12 am

Keep Up The Good Fight

**they left a surplus in 2000 **

Huh?

Who left a surplus? Who had the majority in Congress in 2000?

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:12 am

USinUK,
“Clutch your pearls”…Too funny!

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:12 am

2nd laughable post of the day: “Sure Dems did…they left a surplus in 2000 and then came the Republicans who just went nuts….now we have to clean up the mess. In fact if you bothered to read and think through Jay’s post, the “checkbook” was thrown way off when the Republicans cut “income” and now rather than try to balance the book by reinstating that “income”, the Republicans want to continue to forgo that “income” and cut the minimum support to families that have no jobs. Let the children begin dying.”

Republicans did it!!!!! Ignore the fact that the deficit has continued to grow under Obama! Republicans did it!!!!! LMAO!!!

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:13 am

Maybe more moratoriums are needed.

There are a few people still working.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:13 am

“Talk about a lonely person so obsessed with me that he always barks whenever I post. Regardless of how empty the rhetoric, my truly obsessed fans can’t help but yammer some drivel.”

Don’t you hate it when that happens, Mike?

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:13 am

Granny G!

I just realized you’re back! Welcome home! Yeah, I’m a little slow at times… ;)

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:14 am

The increase in the captial gains tax will only drive investors from the market so OBlunder and Co may see an initial increase in the $$$ from the Cap Gains tax increase, however, after that this too will begin to falter.

Too bad…

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:14 am

Glad to hear you say that on the cap gains tax, Peadawg.

Scout

June 30th, 2010
9:15 am

“OFF TOPIC #1″

Supreme Court Nominee “Lady Kaga” …………. Scary !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSoWGlyugTo

(Not long …….. you owe it to yourself)

Keep up the good fight!

June 30th, 2010
9:16 am

Peabrain at it again. Ignorance can be so very bliss. Enjoy it!

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:16 am

Normal

Yea, that and the fainting couch are USinUk’s big response to the destruction of the American Economic System.

I’m sure somewhere in Germany, when the little lady was cleaning the ashes off her car every morning, that silly pearl clutching, fainting couch user up the street was saying that the government was doing horrible things, but she knew the truth. She knew that she could make fun of people with concerns about the government. She certainly knew how to put them in their place.

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:17 am

“Peabrain at it again. Ignorance can be so very bliss. Enjoy it!”

Atleast I can admit it is Bush AND Obama’s fault combined. I don’t blame all my problems on someone else.

ME m

June 30th, 2010
9:17 am

Pat: “How long would you suggest unemployment benifits go on. One year? Two years? Or is it to be open ended and with out end?”

Well the law right now has it at 99 weeks. and there is no talk of extending that any longer, so your question doesn’t make sense relative to this topic. The ‘extension’ we are talking about here is not adding more weeks, it’s simply extending the program deadline so that all people who lost their jobs in the recession have access to the same amount of help.

My answer to your question then is simple: If they enacted expanded UI insurance when the unemployment rate was at 7% then they should cut it off again until after we fall below that level. It’s really pretty simple.

But it doesn’t go on forever now, and no one is talking about extending it further past 99 weeks at this point.

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:18 am

“RW, the Dems didn’t use the filibuster to block every Bush initiative.”

Neither do the GOP. Just the ones they oppose. The claim that the GOP has filibustered every Obama initiative is patently false. For example, the GOP supported Obama’s Afghan surge.

Like all hyper-partisan pundits, Jay can only speak in the language of hyperbole. Makes his arguments absurdly easy to pick apart.

Peadawg

June 30th, 2010
9:18 am

““Peabrain at it again. Ignorance can be so very bliss. Enjoy it!””

Name calling is all you got. Sad.

Some People are stupid

June 30th, 2010
9:18 am

Outhouse GoKart-

So you don’t want to fund unemployment extensions but you want to fund tax cuts to capital gains??

According to the Laffer Curve, you could go up on capital gains and the economy would still grow.

RW-(the original)

June 30th, 2010
9:18 am

RW, the Dems didn’t use the filibuster to block every Bush initiative.

I sure seem to remember a lot of cloture votes during the Bush Presidency and since simply having a cloture vote is now the standard for proclaiming that the minority is filibustering it would seem they did.

Let’s get a grip on reality though. We’ve had Porkulous that fritters away a trillion dollars. We’ve got government health care now. We’ve had various assorted government schemes like Cash for Clunkers and home buyers tax credits. We’ve gone along with Obama’s escalation of the Afghanistan “war.” Soon we’ll have seated Obama’s second Supreme Court nomination and on and on. It seems to me like you’re more inclined to complain if the GOP blocks ANY Obama initiative and you only use EVERY so you won’t seem so petty.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:19 am

NIF – right on cue, Mr. Hyperbole!! but, you better be careful – mike is on “grown-up” patrol … comparisons to the holocaust are not very grown-up – more Ann Coulterish …

ME m

June 30th, 2010
9:19 am

“the dems are running on empty. where are those jobs obama promised?”

Stalled in bills in the senate because the republicans won’t let the jobs bills reach a vote.

Out of about a dozen jobs bills, Republicans have only allowed on to even reach a simple yes-no vote. They are obstructing democracy and you have only them to blame for the lack of jobs legislation.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:20 am

hey Scout – totally waaaaaaaayyyyyyy off topic, but I can’t remember – are you Army or Air Force?

Gale

June 30th, 2010
9:20 am

“Meanwhile the first billionaire estate just passed through to the heirs without a single dime in estate taxes.”

Why should any part of any estate belong to anyone other than the heirs? Presumably, the deceased was taxed on his/her assets and earnings. Capital gains, I am a bit fuzzy on. I don’t have enough money to worry about that.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:20 am

USinUK,
This is why the doctors are worried about me…Your “reading skillz” got me to thinking, kills, knife, cheese grater, Helen Keller, give helen Keller a cheese grater and she would say it was the bloodiest novel she ever read…Is there any hope for me?

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:21 am

Scout is shaved leg Marine, this, of course, is coming from a Sailor…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 30th, 2010
9:22 am

Well, we can’t keep paying these bums unemployed people not to work forever. Sooner or later they got to go out and find a job. Besides, most of them are Democrats.

I bet us Republicans wouldn’t filibuster a bill to keep the tax cuts of My President in place if the librul Democrats would just bring it up. But they won’t do it and every day gets a little closer to December 31 when we go back to paying reglar rates. I get chills just thinking about it. See, the tax cuts might could widen the deficit but that’s diffrent from the widening the welfare for the shiftless unemployment benefit extension would do.

Have a good day everybody. It’s hump day for us Productive people. It’s just another day to set on a park bench and guzzle booze for the rest.

ME m

June 30th, 2010
9:22 am

mike “Neither do the GOP. Just the ones they oppose. The claim that the GOP has filibustered every Obama initiative is patently false. For example, the GOP supported Obama’s Afghan surge.

Like all hyper-partisan pundits, Jay can only speak in the language of hyperbole. Makes his arguments absurdly easy to pick apart.”

It is, however, completely true that they have blocked all but one jobs bill, and they have also filibustered more than any party has ever filibustered in one session of congress. That’s right! they have the record for obstructing democracy! Congratulations. I will forgive them if they start letting some jobs legislation pass…
FYI: Your arguments are even thinner than “Jay’s”

Shirley MacLaine

June 30th, 2010
9:23 am

Bookman’s article today was so well written, employing creative capitalization and original slang and blue links and everything. It was like reading Mark Twain’s review of Keynesian Theory. Maybe Bookman is Mark Twain reincarnated. It’s possible. Who knows how the universe works? Not Einstein, he was proved to be an idiot. Not the pope, he earned merit badges in the Hitler Youth. Not Obama, even if he finally did figure out whose brass to kick.

No, Bookman might not actually be Mark Twain, but you have to admit, sometimes he can be a real stick in the mud.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:23 am

This was from a CNN Factcheck in February:

“President Barack Obama Wednesday accused Republicans of packing “20 years of obstruction into one.” Speaking to Senate Democrats, he declared, “You had to cast more votes to break filibusters last year than in the entire 1950s and ’60s combined.”

Fact Check: Were there more cloture votes in the Senate last year than in all of the 1950s and 1960s combined?

Bottom Line: President Obama is correct. There were 39 cloture votes last year, nine more than the combined total for 1949-1970.

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:24 am

Jay –

““Talk about a lonely person so obsessed with me that he always barks whenever I post. Regardless of how empty the rhetoric, my truly obsessed fans can’t help but yammer some drivel.””

LOL. Your “comebacks” are so pathetic.

My posts to you are most often filled with specific factual responses to your lame demagougey. Because you have lost so many of the factual debates with me, you have instead chosen to focus on the lame and irrelevant banter.

Not surprised. Your lack of intellectual heft and your intolerance for other ideas makes you a poor debater. I would stick to the grade school stuff if I was you too. You sure can’t debate facts. This much is known.

What exactly do you offer that any of the other commenters do not? Not much that I can see. The AJC needs to cut you and the rest of the partisan hacks loose and put up a comment thread on an AP feed. The results would be the same and nobody would miss you. The AJC could take the money saved and hire some reporters who offer value to their community than third rate and unoriginal partisan dreck.

Read the Gerson article yet? You should. It has your name all over it.

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:24 am

Im not against the extension on UI benefits.
I am against the capital gains tax increase.

Personally I will be doing my part by having all dividends reinvested thereby not contributing to obama HCare warchest or however else he intends to waste the money.

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
9:25 am

“Why should any part of any estate belong to anyone other than the heirs?”

How far back to you want to carry it? When a business buys raw materials, they pay taxes. When they buy equipment to make their product, they pay taxes. When they sell to a distributor, the distributor pays taxes. When the goods are bought at retail, the buyer pays taxes. At what point would you say: this person shouldn’t have to pay taxes?

JKL2

June 30th, 2010
9:26 am

USinuk- these people should just “decrease the surplus population

Obama’s good friend Bill Ayers thought we would have to kill off about 25 million back in the 70’s. Are you sticking with that number or adjusting for the population increase?

jt

June 30th, 2010
9:26 am

Even though Mitch McConnell ought to be willing to cut his state’s BigAgri welfare, he has a good suggestion here. Nothing but crickets from the left——–

“, that add up to the $33 billion Democrats want to spend on the current “emergency” extension of benefits. Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has already made a partisan tinged suggestion to do just that by cutting pay for federal workers. We should counter with our own partisan tinged suggestions of cuts in oil and gas subsidies, agribusiness subsidies, and perhaps scrap or delay a weapons system or two. Then we can get a deal done by working out the details.”

For all you overpaid federalies. Your austerity is coming. Suffer some hard austerity cuts now, or suffer some keynesian socialist poverty later.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

June 30th, 2010
9:26 am

I’m white, male, over 50, have an advanced degree, a retired veteran and live in metro Atlanta. I have been unemployed since Feb 2010. This time. Was laid off from the AJC in June 2009. Before that I was laid off in Dec 2008 from a major forklift supplier. Went from 60k to 24k to 32k respectively. Being a white male over 50 in the Atlanta area is not a good place to be right now. Many say pick up and move to where the jobs are. Well, you have to sell that house. And then your and your wife’s parents are getting along in age. You get smacked down enough, you really start to not care anymore.

My unemployment expired on Friday. Do I blame the GOP? Absolutely not. I blame this administration for not fostering an environment for private enterprise to thrive; or a best survive. In Oct 2008, When I was with my forklift company, I was discussing the potential upgrade of a forklift fleet with customer in Forsyth county. He said he was waiting until the November elections to determine if they were going to be a 125 employee company or a 30 employee company. The story was the same at most places I went. As it turned out, a month after the election myself and several others were “laid” off.

This administration has thrown money at saving or creating government jobs or teachers jobs. They’ve poured money into temporary government contract employment in the guise of “infrastructure” enhancement. Of course early on Robert Reich, one Obama’s economic advisers clearly stated that he doesn’t want recovery jobs for “White Male Construction Workers.”

Am I bitter? You bet. I want my government leaders to foster an environment where business can thrive and people prosper. You create this environment and people pay property and sale taxes to support infrastructure improvements and pay teachers, police and fire personnel. You don’t put the cart in front of the horse.

This administration and our congressional leaders have been focusing on peripheral traditional liberal agendas. Guess what. It’s the economy, stupid. And economic growth doesn’t come from government spending. Government is a consumer, not a producer.

God, you guys make me sick.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:26 am

Bottom Line: President Obama is correct. There were 39 cloture votes last year, nine more than the combined total for 1949-1970.

OMG, Righties! Cover your ears and eyes and starting yelling lalalalalalala….

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:26 am

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:27 am

Normal (and Scout) – thanks – for some reason, I thought he was AF and I was going to tell him about a documentary I watched last night about Squad 303 in the Battle of Britain – it was a group of Polish pilots who fled their country after the invasion and came to England to fight with “the few” in the Battle of Britain …

there’s a book about them coming out in September – going to get it for my dad

Gale

June 30th, 2010
9:27 am

Doggone/GA, ‘estates’ generally mean personal wealth, not goods and services moving through the economy.

Scout

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

USinUK:

I was in the Army (Ain’t Ready to be a Marine Yet) or Air Force (the world’s largest quasi-military organization) but I was in the United States Marine Corps.

Normal:

Do you know why there are Marines on Navy ships ?

pat

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

“Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:23 am
This was from a CNN Factcheck in February:

“President Barack Obama Wednesday accused Republicans of packing “20 years of obstruction into one.” Speaking to Senate Democrats, he declared, “You had to cast more votes to break filibusters last year than in the entire 1950s and ’60s combined.”

Fact Check: Were there more cloture votes in the Senate last year than in all of the 1950s and 1960s combined?

Bottom Line: President Obama is correct. There were 39 cloture votes last year, nine more than the combined total for 1949-1970.”

You just red herring’ed your own topic! LOL!

RW-(the original)

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

So the proof that the Democrats didn’t employ the filibuster during the GWB Presidency is the number of cloture votes from 1949 to 1970?

Cool!

I guess I’ll head to the forest and see what the creatures out there have to say about this.

See y’all this evening.

JKL2

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

Nowreally- they can sign up for welfare and public housing

If it’s good enough for the Presidents aunt it should be good enough for anybody.

Haywood Jablome

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

Like all hyper-partisan pundits, Jay can only speak in the language of hyperbole.

mike, thanks for this gem. It’s a perfect sample of your ironic retardation.

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:29 am

” They have the record for obstructing democracy!”

LOL. So when the Dems shut down Bush’s prviatiazation of Sociual Security, were they “obstructing democracy”.

Not certain if many folks have noticed, but the American people are quite aware of the programs opposed by the GOP. All the while, the President’s approval ratings go down and the GOP’s go up.

Could it be that blocking these massive federal programs is what the American people want?

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:30 am

jkl – 9:26 – :lol: dude. seriously? Bill Ayers???

you might want to be careful when you make that kind of stretch in logic – you can hurt yourself.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
9:30 am

Normal:

Do you know why there are Marines on Navy ships ?

So we could have fun in the showers?

mike

June 30th, 2010
9:32 am

Haywood –

Why don’t you post under your usual name? Why make up a name for just one comment? Don’t worry, you are still anonymous.

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
9:32 am

“Doggone/GA, ‘estates’ generally mean personal wealth, not goods and services moving through the economy”

That has nothing to do with my example. My example was: at WHAT POINT do you say someone should not have to pay taxes because taxes have been paid at a prior point in the “chain”?

pat

June 30th, 2010
9:32 am

So is the topic, unemployment benifits, cloture, or big meany repulicans who won’t give you everything you want from the government teet?

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:32 am

Obama and Co just keep hitting foul balls and thats a good thing.

thomas

June 30th, 2010
9:33 am

Jay,

with all the obstruction by the GOP, do you find it odd that this adminsitration has been able to spend more money than any other ever?

Exactly how much money do you think this administration should have signed up to spend?

Could it be a good thing that some money hasn’t been spent?

larry

June 30th, 2010
9:33 am

The GOBP has abused the filabuster provision to no end. They are just taking the cue from Rush Limbaugh who has wished for the Presidents’ downfall.

Two tax cuts totaling over 2 trillion dollars and a Medicare Part D plan with a 500 billion dollar tax cut to businesses.

And the GOBP cant fund a current extension of unemployment benefits, especially when unemployment is so high in Georgia.

It would be laughable if it did not hurt people so much.

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:34 am

USinUK

Isn’t it funny that liberals insist on not having the ability to learn lessons from our past, particularly a past that is so closely connected to socialism.

Pardon me, but whether or not you approve will not deter the lessons i or any thinking person will learn from the holocaust or from any of the other things that liberal and Democrats have done in the past.

If you are right and all this talk about “building a new economy in American, built on different principals which happens to give the government almost unlimited power” is just talk and is completely harmless (other than the damage it is doing to our economy) and can just be fixed with an election or two, then no harm done.

But if this is a repeat of history where a corrupt government is making the same promises as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Castro, convincing the populous that it is the wealthy that is the problem, that the government is looking out for the little guy (which we know is a lie) and we are seeing an intentional destruction of our economy, pushing programs that we don’t want while dictating that we need to lower our standard of living while accepting these unwanted mandates, then you are the little lady brushing the ashes off her car.

It’s just that your penchant for making fun of anyone who disagrees with you might not carry as much credibility as if you actually at least tried to make some sort of intelligent counter-point to what others are saying.

thomas

June 30th, 2010
9:35 am

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
9:32 am

If I buy a godd, I pay taxes on that good.

If I then gie you that good lets say a pair of shoes. You don’t pay any taxes on those shoes.

Jay

June 30th, 2010
9:35 am

So Mike, point out the factual arguments you make here:

“My posts to you are most often filled with specific factual responses to your lame demagougey. Because you have lost so many of the factual debates with me, you have instead chosen to focus on the lame and irrelevant banter.

Not surprised. Your lack of intellectual heft and your intolerance for other ideas makes you a poor debater. I would stick to the grade school stuff if I was you too. You sure can’t debate facts. This much is known.

What exactly do you offer that any of the other commenters do not? Not much that I can see. The AJC needs to cut you and the rest of the partisan hacks loose and put up a comment thread on an AP feed. The results would be the same and nobody would miss you. The AJC could take the money saved and hire some reporters who offer value to their community than third rate and unoriginal partisan dreck.”

You don’t engage in factual arguments. You are a one-trick pony spouting about “mindless partisanship,” blissfully ignorant of the fact that you are more mindlessly partisan than almost anyone here. You don’t come here to express political disagreement, you come here to vent your personal hatred.

Looking back through your posts, there is almost no factual content. It is all the same, accusations that others are mindlessly partisan.

ME m

June 30th, 2010
9:36 am

mike: “LOL. So when the Dems shut down Bush’s prviatiazation of Sociual Security, were they “obstructing democracy”.”

Um yes… What’s so hard to understand about that?

But it’s also a fact that the filibuster has been used more this session of congress than in any other session in history. and it is a fact that they have blocked all but one jobs bill.

Why must you change the subject?

mike: “Could it be that blocking these massive federal programs is what the American people want?”

They aren’t blocking “massive federal programs”… they are blocking things like tax credits and loans to small businesses. They are blocking job creating programs and other programs that will infuse our struggling economy with the cash it needs to make a recovery. People want jobs, and by the vast majority people want UI extensions passed.

They actually have let the biggest federal programs through (obamacare, stimulus, wallstreet reform is coming!). So no, I don’t buy that line for a second.

Scout

June 30th, 2010
9:36 am

Normal:

Close …………… :o

So the sailors will have someone to dance with.

Just remember, the Navy is the only military orgazinzation represented on the front of a “Cracker Jacks” box !

thomas

June 30th, 2010
9:36 am

thats good. not godd not even sure if you can buy a GODd

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:36 am

“we are seeing an intentional destruction of our economy, pushing programs that we don’t want while dictating that we need to lower our standard of living while accepting these unwanted mandates,”

Precisely the playbook of Obama & Co.

Nothing is Free

June 30th, 2010
9:38 am

Normal

**OMG, Righties! Cover your ears and eyes and starting yelling lalalalalalala….**

You still have the majority and you can’t get anything done. Now who’s refusing to hear the truth?

Steve

June 30th, 2010
9:38 am

Come on Democrats, you have sixty votes! Jobless benefits extensions could be passed before lunch today if the democrats who Jay thinks love the unemployed would bring a stripped down version of the bill to the floor. Instead they insist on loading up the bill with a lot of other pet priorities. One might wonder if they would rather have a no vote than a yes one.
Of course Bookman knows that this is true but won’t let it interfere with his bash the republican meme.
Democrats are not looking out for the unemployed, they are looking out for their own ideology.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:38 am

“It’s just that your penchant for making fun of anyone who disagrees with you might not carry as much credibility as if you actually at least tried to make some sort of intelligent counter-point to what others are saying.”

sorry, but no. I don’t dignify comparisons with the Holocaust or Pol Pot or Stalin – why? because those idiotic comparisons actually belittle and diminish the millions of people that died in those atrocities when you compare them to (shock! horror!) increases in the capital gains or extensions of unemployment benefits.

you want to talk like a grown-up, then leave the adolescent comparisons on the curb

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
9:38 am

“blocking job creating programs”

Like the “summer jobs program”? For the most part…nothing more than a govt handout to part-time idiots. Just another waste of money.