Daily Kos says it got cheated by fraudulent pollster

Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas has announced that multiple polls conducted for his website were probably fabricated by Research 2000, the company he hired as his pollster.

Initially, Moulitsas says, he decided to fire Research 2000 after an analysis by the website Fivethirtyeight.com concluded that the company’s polling work was inaccurate. Three statistical experts then volunteered to look a little deeper at the Research 2000 numbers, and pretty quickly concluded that something was seriously wrong. “People who have been trusting the R2K reports should know about these extreme anomalies,” they wrote. “We do not know exactly how the weekly R2K results were created, but we are confident they could not accurately describe random polls.”

Writes Moulitsas:

We contracted with Research 2000 to conduct polling and to provide us with the results of their surveys. Based on the report of the statisticians, it’s clear that we did not get what we paid for. We were defrauded by Research 2000, and while we don’t know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can’t trust it.

Meanwhile, Research 2000 has refused to offer any explanation. Early in this process, I asked for and they offered to provide us with their raw data for independent analysis — which could potentially exculpate them. That was two weeks ago, and despite repeated promises to provide us that data, Research 2000 ultimately refused to do so. At one point, they claimed they couldn’t deliver them because their computers were down and they had to work out of a Kinkos office. Research 2000 was delivered a copy of the report early Monday morning, and though they quickly responded and promised a full response, once again the authors of the report heard nothing more.

No response to the allegations has been posted at the Research 2000 site.

Alarmed, I’ve gone back to look to see how often I cited Research 2000 polls. I found three instances in the last two years. In April 2009 and again in September 2009, I cited Research 2000 polls done for Daily Kos that broke down political attitudes by region, including the South. I also cited a third poll, in May 2009, that purported to find that 43 percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than as part of the United States. (Initially, “I averted my eyes from that poll because frankly, I did not believe those findings and did not want to believe it,” I wrote, but decided to mention it after four of six GOP candidates for governor endorsed a Senate resolution threatening the dissolution of the United States.)

Daily Kos says it will be suing Research 2000 for fraud. It’s hard to know how that will turn out, but the company’s apparent lack of a response and refusal to provide raw data don’t make it look good.

263 comments Add your comment

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June 29th, 2010
5:16 pm

You read DailyKos, jay?

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:16 pm

Good show, Jaybird…it takes a big man to post something like this in which you have to admit you were taken in, too…I’m impressed…

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:17 pm

BTW

I read that figure on secessionist sentiment and raised an eybrow, too. I thought it was a bit low…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

Jay:

What the heck is this? There are a lot of crucial things going on in the world right now. This is not one of them.

Is this a paid advertisement ?

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:20 pm

josef nix:

Don’t cash in your Confederate money yet …………… Lo !!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:20 pm

I meant ……………… :o

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 29th, 2010
5:23 pm

This is why the only poll that matters is the one taken the first Tuesday in November, every even numbered year. All the rest are suspect.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:24 pm

Scout

Of course if you and I start a conversation on this… :-)

On the other hand, just because the Kunderas want to ignore it, doesn’t mean it has gone away. And as the realities of the spill sink in along the Gulf Coast, we’re going to hear more of it and it won’t be, as “they” would like to believe, couched in Confederate terms…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:26 pm

josef:

When it comes around again (and it will) it will start with the Western States and Hawaii.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:29 pm

josef:

This from George Will’s column this week of “proposed” questions to Supreme Court nominee “Lady Kaga”.

How would you answer that last question?

“In Federalist 45, James Madison said: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and indefinite.” What did the Father of the Constitution not understand about the Constitution? Are you a Madisonian? Does the doctrine of enumerated powers impose any limits on the federal government? Can you cite some things that, because of that doctrine, the federal government has no constitutional power to do?”

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:32 pm

Matti

June 29th, 2010
5:33 pm

Daily Kos sucks. BartCop is good, lib’rul entertainment!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:35 pm

“OFF TOPIC #1″

HEADLINE WASHINGTON, June 29 (Reuters) – “The security situation in Afghanistan is tenuous and the Taliban insurgency remains resilient, the U.S. general picked to lead the war in Afghanistan told a Senate confirmation hearing on Tuesday.”

Translation: WE ARE IN TROUBLE !

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 29th, 2010
5:36 pm

The Daily Kooks got exactly what they wanted, just like all you other bald faced lying liberal propaganda outlets, but they got caught.

So blame other guy, typical childish dummycrat response, just sayin..

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:38 pm

Why sure Scout. How do you feel about the Louisiana Purchase and the Alaska purchase? Where were they powers granted to the Feds in the Constitution?

And since we are talking about the Fathers of the Constitution, which founding father is the specific father to be listened to? Which of the compromises? Who views? Jefferson? Hamilton? Washington? Adams?

We can argue about the views of the founding fathers just as much as we can argue political views today so why do you continue to post the absurdity that apparently you have some definitive answer from the “founding fathers.” In fact, men much more learned, educated and intelligent have debated and read the Federalist papers and may other documents and have never once pointed to a single “conclusion” that all agreed too. Do you have any more silliness?

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:39 pm

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:40 pm

I report….yep…just like Sean Hannity doctoring videoclips….oh wait Fox News did that themselves, it was not an outside pollster group hired for purposes of independent polling. Bald facing lying liberals like Hannity…why I oughta…

Jay

June 29th, 2010
5:41 pm

Just setting the record straight, Scout.

In the political world this is pretty big news, because Daily Kos was hardly alone in using Research 2000. Last year another polling outfit, Georgia-based Strategic Vision, was also accused of selling faked poll data. Legitimate polling companies are worried, and for good reason, that the whole industry will be tainted by stuff like this.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:42 pm

I would say that since Andrew Jackson’s “the Supreme Court ruled, let’s see them enforce it” and Lincoln’s “there’s a higher law than the Constitution” what the Constitution says the federal government can and cannot do is a moot point. It will do whatever if feels like.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
5:43 pm

You read DailyKos, jay?

ZOMG JAY RAEDS TEH ORANGE SATAN!!!111!!

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June 29th, 2010
5:43 pm

The DOW did it….it finally dropped below 10K.

@@

June 29th, 2010
5:44 pm

Geez, sfd, are you drunk!!??!!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:45 pm

Keep up the good fight:

Don’t get your panties in a wad. I’m just looking for an answer to this question. How about it?

Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 29th, 2010
5:46 pm

Now if only Hannity had doctored videoclips then you would have something, moonbat.

Which one of these ate up liberals is parading around as “good night” anyway?

Jay

June 29th, 2010
5:47 pm

And Scout, that is Off Topic #2, I believe, not #1?

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:47 pm

Jay:

1) O.K. I take it all back. But I agree with Hillbilly that 11/2 will be the real poll ………. :o

2) Would you like to take a stab at this one?

Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:49 pm

I’m sorry, I thought my 5:59 was related to the subject since the poll talked about seccession, etc.

Powers of the federal goverment and all …………………..

mike

June 29th, 2010
5:51 pm

Gee, who would have thought that a hateful hyper-partisan blog’s statistical analysis might not be reliable?

Any real journalist would have been skeptical, but not Jay. As always, his mindless partisanship overwhelms any notion of journalistic integrity or responsibility to his community.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:51 pm

Hannity! I remember that guy. He doctored videos in order to “prove” his point. Probably still does.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

Jefferson himself questioned the constitutionality of the Louisiana Purchase but went ahead and did it any way. The Alaska Purchase was post Civil War. The constitutionality of the Alaska Purchase was not at issue, imperialism and Manifest Destiny being the mentality of the time and place.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

Scout…ummm.. the law has few absolutes, especially absolutes. There are few points that are absolute. The document was never meant to the be sole governing document of the country, it lays out the basic principles. That is the genius of the document.

But if you want an absolute….you cannot be 30 and be elected President. So the federal govt has no power to change that, absent a constitutional change.

Now why don’t you answer my question….what to do about Alaska? Or do you maintain the Fed Govt had the power to purchase?

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
5:57 pm

The only Pole I was ever interested in was Lech Walesa.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

1) It’s a good one but I really don’t think that answer counts. That’s a “qualification” thing not a “power” of the federal government like levying taxes, etc. There must be at least “one” power thing that the federal government cannot do or the Constitution is meaningless as it restricts the “power” of the federal government.

2) josef answered for me. Dont’ mess with him ……….. he’s good.

mike

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

“In the political world this is pretty big news, because Daily Kos was hardly alone in using Research 2000″

Anyone think that Jay would accept the excuse of “well, everybody was wrong” from one his targets of criticism? He sure didn’t accept that excuse when it came to Iraq WMD intel. Jay would call the person supporting the incorrect information a liar. Unless he was a Democrat of course, then they might not have been lying (see Hillary Clinton).

Only Jay and pundits are allowed to be wrong. Everyone else who is wrong is a liar.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

Ahh…josef…that is a bit of a crux of the problem. If founding father Jefferson clearly intended the Constitution to be a document with absolute limitations, then when he made the purchase, either he clearly violated that intent or he concluded there were powers the Federal Government had by virtue of interpretation. It demonstrates, there is no single “intent of the Founding Fathers”.

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June 29th, 2010
6:00 pm

Adding to Scout’s OFF-TOPIC #whatever…

WASHINGTON – Gen. David Petraeus had an easy time selling himself as the new Afghan war commander to the Senate Tuesday but had a harder time selling the war.

Petraeus hedged on the July 2011 withdrawal date set by President Obama and suggested that he would ease up on the strict guidelines for the use of firepower imposed by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who lost his job last week for mocking the civilian leadership.

Petraeus said he backed Obama’s policy to put 30,000 more U.S. troops into Afghanistan and begin a drawdown next summer, but any pullouts would be based on how the war was going.–NYDaily

“Should (We) Stay or Should (We) go?”

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:00 pm

Keep up the good fight:

This is pretty straight forward…………………

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:01 pm

Off topic, but it is time to pull back to 30k troops in Afghanistan and acknowledge that we will be there forever in a counter-terrorism role. There really is no other option.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:03 pm

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The only difference will be the number of names on the “Afghanistan Wall”.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
6:07 pm

Scout, perhaps one day you’ll study constitutional law and learn that there is no simple answer. In fact, most acts that you complain about daily are based on consitutional provisions. Now you can go back and maybe read a few of the decisions starting with Mabury v Madison, brown v bd of ed, and even the recent Second Amendment rulings and you’ll find that NOTHING is pretty straight forward, other than to simple people trying to make simplistic arguments to support their own simplistic agendas (and only when those simple arguments are in their favor).

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:08 pm

AmVet

“The only Pole I was ever interested in was Lech Walesa.”

Bite your tongue! Copernicus, Kosciuszko, Marie Curie, Chopin, King Stanislaw, Andrze Wajda, Sienkiewski, Pilsudski, Padarewski, Ludwig Zamenhof, Jerzy Koszinski….just off the top of my head…oh, yes, and Karol Wojtyla..

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:09 pm

“The only difference will be the number of names on the “Afghanistan Wall”

We can’t let that happen. We need to pull back to a smaller, more aggressive force with the writ to take it to the enemy. No more roadside patrols and seeking to win “hearts and minds”. Unless we are planning to keep 80k troops there for 20 years, we have no chance of turning that collection of tribes into a nation.

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
6:11 pm

josef, my bad, I should have written the latest Pole.

And it’s not like you remembered all the famous ones either:

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/a7905e8e-9ff7-4f0d-93e9-6acaa980c1d5.jpg

If we were to take a poll here, who wins the Leg Humper of the Year Award?

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:11 pm

“If we were to take a poll here, who wins the Leg Humper of the Year Award?”

AmVet

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:14 pm

Good Fight

He, in his own estimation, violated it, though not so “clearly” and he did offer a rationale…however, it was a deal he couldn’t pass up…

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:15 pm

OUCH…Jay if you’re here, can you correct that? No idea what happened…thanks…

The X Factor

June 29th, 2010
6:18 pm

Ask Harry Truman what he thinks of polls.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 29th, 2010
6:20 pm

Well, when any poll person calls me, I always tell them the exact opposite of how I feel. Last election I told them I was voting Obama and there ain’t no changing my mind. The other week I told them I was voting for Oxendine when I’m voting for Horsley. So anybody that pays those people to get voting numbers for them deserves what they get. Including this Daily Kos and Bookman. I expect a whole bunch of people in GA don’t want people to know they hate Those People and want the state to break off and become a country, but they won’t tell the poll people that. It’s sort of like not using the N-word in front of people you don’t know good.

Have a good night everybody. And don’t call me if you want to know the truth.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

My crack polling staff has determined 99% of Daily Kos readers are retarded leftist gimps that live in a trunk in zeds basement..the other 1% peruse the site for posts and articles to point at and say “look at these retarded leftist gimps that live in zeds basement”

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

Anyone who knows as much about the Daily Kos as Jay really has no business working for a reputable news organization. So the AJC is the perfect place for him. Either the AJC or the Daily Worker.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

Keep up the good fight/josef, et al

One more time ………………

One does not have to be a constitutional expert to understand that the 10th Amendment limits the powers of the federal government. The reading is plain.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Therefore, if no one can name “one thing” the federal government cannot do as prohibited by the Constitution, then the 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is meaningless, null and void.

It’s really quite simple ……….. and sad.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:22 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout :

Hey! Lighten Up!

If Jay didn’t, we wouldn’t have this site to enjoy !

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:24 pm

I see josef is trying to pump up the comment count again. :-)

Pretty sure we tried to tell y’all when those polls first got cited they were bogus, but we were dismissed as kook fringers or some such.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:27 pm

Yeah, I don’t want Bookman to lose his Job to attrition, its gonna happen, because the newspaper biz is dead and the AJC antagonizes it’s dwindling subscriber base with it’s continual leftist slant, but I don’t want to be stuck with Just Cynthia Tucker..who, lets be honest, as a black female will be the last person let go due to EEOC browbeating.

Run on sentence there..but it’s fitting, as the AJC got rid of it’s copy editing long ago.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

AmVet

Leg humper of the year? Oh, I wouldn’t even attempt…there’s so many….

Scout
I though I had answered…anything the feds want to do…the 10th has been null and void for quite some time now and even to invoke it is to bring out the Confederate-States Rights canard…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

RW-(the original):

Take a shot at my 6:21. Can you think of “anything” ?

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:29 pm

RW

That’s it…Jay was in control of my keyboard… :-)

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:30 pm

josef:

Oh, I hear you but here’s the point. No Amendment is “null and void” OFFICIALLY/LEGALLY unless it has been amended. The 10th has not been amended.

So when do the American people enforce it ?

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 29th, 2010
6:31 pm

If frauds Jay Bookman and the Daily Kos say this polling firm’s results are fraudulent, then aren’t they totally correct? It’s like a double negative.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:32 pm

I watched “All the presidents men” the other day and i can see why , in the 70’s, being a journalist might have looked like a cool job..but today..the AJC is more like a hip-hop celeb sighting rag, competing with TMZ and that gay cuban.

On another note, dustin hoffman is a little rat man in that movie.

F.Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:32 pm

Something on Daily Kos was fabricated???

I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!!!!!

You believed that 43% number (percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than part of the US), Jay, because that’s your worldview as a flaming liberal.

Us dum-ass (especially southern) conservatives are stooooooopid, ya know.

French Translation

June 29th, 2010
6:34 pm

Jacques Nicques = Les Pitoyable

Vous êtes un embarrassement .

Allez trempent votre perdant de tête

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:35 pm

Scout,

Just standing on it’s own I don’t know what you’re getting at in your 6:21 so I tried to swim upthread a bit to catch the conversation that lead to it. I tend to agree with “Keep up the good fight” that no matter how straight forward the law might seem you’ll easily be able to find someone else that’s just as sure that it clearly says something quite different.

I’ll try to take it further if you tell me what “anything” I’m supposed to be looking for.

F.Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:37 pm

I’m pretty sure GWB had something to do with this travesty…….

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:39 pm

RW-(the original) :

“Anything” is some specific power the federal government cannot exercise (as per the Constitution) because it is reserved to the states or to the people.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:39 pm

French Translation

Is that to me? You need to turn off your translator…talk about an emabarassment! :-)

Sinkwich…
Are you a Southern conservative…? Not sure how to take that one…

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
6:43 pm

Geez, sfd, are you drunk!!??!!

erm, no, not remotely (ok, I did just have some creamy vodka sauce with tortellini with my fambly, but I’m pretty sure that doesn’t count) I just thought your question was kind of funny.

Like asking Kyle or Bob Barr or Wootie “Do you read the Drudge Report?”

To be honest, I’m glad that Jay posted this, not so much because it represents “manning up” (Jay’s going to admit when he’s been given bogus info anyway) but because I’d seen the 538 dot com pollster ratings, my eyes kinda glazed over the list, and it hadn’t registered that Research 2000’s rep was henceforth in the toilet.

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:45 pm

josef nix,

Just a jab at Jay, the typical liberal. He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Just like Obama. But I think he hates America more than he hates conservatives.

Could be wrong on that though.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:47 pm

French Translation

You have been reported to l’Académie française for crimes against the French language…be forwarned, they take such things seriously… :-)

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:50 pm

Scout,

In that case I guess it depends on one’s viewpoint. I view the Constitution as a document that tells the federal government what it can do and the 10th amendment makes it unnecessary to spell out anything it can’t do. Our current President sees it quite differently. He views the Constitution as a specifically limiting document.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
6:51 pm

I also pointed out to Markos that Research 2000 polling has a significant Democratic-leaning house effect, something which is problematic for any pollster, and one which someone should arguably be especially sensitive toward when one runs a Democratic website. I have certainly posed plenty of questions to Rasmussen, whose polls have had similarly had a Republican-leaning house effect. 538.com

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:54 pm

Sinkwicz
Okay…he does have his biases and prejudices…but, then, so do we all…I don’t think he hates America, though…

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:01 pm

Uhh, Josef:

“Sinkwicz
Okay…he does have his biases and prejudices…but, then, so do we all…I don’t think he hates America, though…”

This subject is off topic obviously, so I probably shouldn’t have brought it up. But I believe I can find much more evidence in Obama’s background substantiating my claim than you could ever find in rebuttal.

Maybe Jay could address it sometime in his blog.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:01 pm

Conservatives appear to hate this America, ever since Obama got elected. And all they need in order to love it again is to get another Bush in the White House. Or a McCain. :roll:

professional skeptic

June 29th, 2010
7:05 pm

Scout
June 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

Scout thinks nothing of a company that commits acts of fraud and corruption, all in the pursuit of
profit. How typical of those on the ultra rightist fringe.

Jay

June 29th, 2010
7:06 pm

For the record, and for what it’s worth, I’m on the Kos site maybe once a month on average. It’s not the type of material I find useful for what I do here.

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:08 pm

Taxpayer:

“Conservatives appear to hate this America, ever since Obama got elected.”

No, we hate his policies which are designed to destroy this great country we love.

You’re welcome.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:12 pm

Nearly two years ago, an economic collapse forced Ireland to cut public spending and raise taxes, the type of austerity measures that financial markets are now pressing on most advanced industrial nations.

“When our public finance situation blew wide open, the dominant consideration was ensuring that there was international investor confidence in Ireland so we could continue to borrow,” said Alan Barrett, chief economist at the Economic and Social Research Institute of Ireland. “A lot of the argument was, ‘Let’s get this over with quickly.’ ”

Rather than being rewarded for its actions, though, Ireland is being penalized. Its downturn has certainly been sharper than if the government had spent more to keep people working. Lacking stimulus money, the Irish economy shrank 7.1 percent last year and remains in recession.

Joblessness in this country of 4.5 million is above 13 percent, and the ranks of the long-term unemployed — those out of work for a year or more — have more than doubled, to 5.3 percent.

Clearly what the Irish need is a Rasmussen Poll to make them feel better.

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
7:16 pm

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:17 pm

Sinkwicz

Oops…I thought you were saying Jay hates America…I was responding in re Jay…

JAY
Thanks for taking out that mistake for me…I can look a repetitious fool enough without it being accidental… :-)

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

No, don’t think at all Jay hates the USA…bad wording in my part.

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

Well dang…now he has to take out my snarkasm about josef being repetitious, then he’ll have to take down these comments since they won’t make any sense . All I’ve got to say is whoever makes the top of page 2 enjoy while you can because you’re probably on your way back to the bottom of page 1.

/Or I could just say that josef is thanking Jay B just to bump up the comment count again.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:23 pm

No, we hate his policies which are designed to destroy this great country we love

Well, since none of them have fulfilled your desired design function, I’ll thank Obama. No need for you to welcome me though because you have earned no thanks.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:26 pm

Sinkwicz
Thanks for the clarification…

RW
Since when should you and I worry about whether it makes sense or not…WE know what we’re talking about…I think… :-)

getalife

June 29th, 2010
7:28 pm

kos is mad because they thought they had lincoln beat but President Clinton is still the big dawg in Arkanas.

@@

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

George Friedman has a good article re our ongoing involvement in Afghanistan (30 years), and for what? What strategic interest do they hold for the U.S.? We’re basically back to square one…negotiating with insurgents.

The 30-Year War in Afghanistan

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…Bush’s more modest approach was the right approach. He went in and dislodged Al Qaeda. In my opinion, we should’a left once that goal was accomplished.

Now about Iraq…Over the last 90 days, Iraqi and U.S. forces have eliminated more than 80 percent of the Islamic State of Iraq’s (ISI’s) top leadership…

These personnel losses are compounded by the fact that the al Qaeda-inspired jihadist group has been struggling financially and is reportedly having problems getting foreign fighters into the country. These setbacks will invariably complicate the ISI’s efforts to continue its campaign. While it is unlikely that the ISI’s propensity for violent attacks will wane, the group’s diminished leadership, operational capacity and logistics infrastructure make the militant organization’s future seem bleak.

Somebody needs to tell Obama that Afghanistan was NEVER the right war. Our troops shouldn’t be there JUST to prove HIS manhood. Thanks to pressure from the left, he’s going ahead with, at least, one campaign promise.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

I’m on the Kos site maybe once a month on average.

Not that anyone asked, but that’s about how often I pay similar homage to the Orange Satan. Generally because someone linked to it and I’m sufficiently curious to check it out. Prefer the Atrios/Digby/FDL axis of evil for my punditry fix.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

Scout asked, Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

That’s easy; it has no constitutional right to do the job of the Supreme Court. Next question.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:30 pm

kos is mad because they thought they had lincoln beat

For a second there I thought I was reading a REALLY old post.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:33 pm

SFD

Thank G-d you said that! I did the same thing and thought it was just my obsession working overtime… :-)

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:34 pm

Jay, the typical liberal. He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Anyone else find this sentiment awfully weird in light of J-Nix’s post @ 5.17?

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
7:34 pm

Congress shall pass no bill of attainder or ex post facto law….yep…. there is a limit. Constitutionally cannot do.

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:35 pm

When discussing the constitution,

it is always prudent to have a wise latina around.

You can get them in Norcross.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:36 pm

SFD

Not following that @ 7:34… ??

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:38 pm

jt

“You can get them in Norcross.”

But are they empathetic?

Joseph

June 29th, 2010
7:39 pm

J- kind of like the many times you say north Fulton is upper class white folk with absolutely no repercussions- most media currently is made up as you go along. Good work if you can get it I suppose.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:41 pm

jt, if I needed wise Latina around to discuss Constitutional Law, my first choice would be Sonia Sotomayor.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:42 pm

Not following that @ 7:34… ??

oy. If you’re not following it, nobody will, so I best ’splain.

You respond up at the top of this thread, to the business about Research 2000 being a crap polling firm by saying, perhaps in jest, “I read that figure on secessionist sentiment and raised an eybrow, too. I thought it was a bit low…”

Now, one who is a regular at these comments pages, does not typically think of you as a guy who speaks poorly of Southerners, right?

Yet Mr. Sinkwich says, first:

You believed that 43% number (percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than part of the US), Jay, because that’s your worldview as a flaming liberal.

Us dum-ass (especially southern) conservatives are stooooooopid, ya know.

and then:

He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Just kind of weird/disconnected, is all. But maybe I’m the only one who thinks so. (Must be the vodka sauce.)

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:42 pm

weird

eerie. spooky.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
7:46 pm

jt…rather presumptuous to assume a wise latina would have anything to do with you

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:46 pm

SFD, I am sorry, I also did not quite get the connection (at least the way you got it). What the heck is in that vodka sauce besides the vodka? And can I have some? :p

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:46 pm

Perhaps I need some vodka sauce since I actually followed sfd’s original remark.

getalife

June 29th, 2010
7:47 pm

kos got punked by a poll and obama so tensions are high and they turn on each other like the cons for not being lib or con enough.

Their latest victim was keith olbereman for attacking obama’s oil spill speech. He left then came back but at least they did not ask for his birth certificate.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:47 pm

OT Numero Uno:

Not that I care all that much, but

1) I figured Larry King was only leaving his CNN slot in a pine box; and

2) who gets the slot now? (or being that cable TeeVee news is “rounding second and heading home,” so to speak, does it even especially matter any more?)

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
7:48 pm

I don’t know about vodka sauce but I once knew a guy that swore he got drunk eating daiquiri ice cream from B&R.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:52 pm

What the heck is in that vodka sauce besides the vodka? And can I have some? :p

heh. Just tomato, cream, spices (red pepper for sure)… And if you go to Publix, you can have some too. Store brand. $2.49 this week.

(wife was tired after dealing with our kid at local water park. She asked nicely. Picked up some en route home, and I whipped us up a quick dinner cuz that’s the kinda guy I am.)

Eli Jones

June 29th, 2010
7:52 pm

“DID YOU KNOW THAT MUSLIMS ARE EXEMPT FROM OBAMACARE”

Has anyone heard of Dhimmitude? It means surrendering to Muslim Demands and paying Muslims a tax for the right to be non-Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude

Why are Muslims and Christian Scientists exempt from being forced to carry Obamacare?

http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=muslim+exemption+from+Obamacare&s_it=keyword_rollover

Unbelievable for America!

I had my doubts so I checked with Snopes. There is an exemption for the Muslims in the Health Care Bill. Obama supporters check it out yourself.

Had never heard the word until now—Type it into Google and start reading… Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control and you don’t even care! Maybe you voted for him but now the truth comes out. Maybe you should rethink what you have done to our country.

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, cars and etc. and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance at our expence. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor or belief in God! If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, brother?” Now all you Obama voters get in line for your free stuff!… However, I suggest you don’t hold your breath!…

I recommend sending this email to all your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it and what the past election has done to all of us!

PS Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community! Better start looking for a country that doesn’t cater to the Muslims ~ Austrailia doesn’t because this country will be overrun by Muslims like Europe is currently experiencing.

And you thought our problem was only the illegal Mexicans!……

Dusty

June 29th, 2010
7:53 pm

Well, well, well,

Another tempest in the tiny tea pot of titillate tomes from our Kos Copy Kat. Oh the indignity! The lies! The defamation of Lost by Liberals as presented by our own Jaybird of Judicious Journalism. I could just weep!!

But I don’t have time tonight. The Braves should be on now and I GOTTA GET GOING!!! They were super last night. The wonder boy Strausburg was going to show the Braves a thing or two and he never got past zero. Hudson showed him how to do it. Whoppee! Go Braves!

Now be good. Don’t use any bad words ’cause Paul and Popeye don’t like it. Whoops! That was last night Tonight only AmVet is allowed to use bad words ’cause he doesn’t know any better and couldn’t learn to read until high school. Just like RedNeck, only RedNeck got that far and still can’t read anything but liberal propaganda. And that is poisonous! Look at RedNeck!!!.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:53 pm

daiquiri ice cream from B&R.

I hear if the booze doesn’t get you, the peyote will.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:53 pm

Hulu is now offering a $10/month service where you can access old teevee shows, complete with commercials, for the realism I suppose. You’ll actually feel as though you were sitting there on your couch watching the original show for the first time. I hear Glenn Beck re-runs are sold out. (Let’s see who picks up on the subtlety in that one.)

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:55 pm

SFD

Okay, following you now…no, though, it wasn’t sarcasm…I was serious (well, as serious as I can get)…just now cracked my bottle of vino…was having to be a good little boy for the other screen…that’s done so now I can put my full attention on the more important things in life… :-)

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:55 pm

jt

“You can get them in Norcross.”

But are they empathetic?

That costs extra.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:56 pm

The Braves should be on now and I GOTTA GET GOING!!! They were super last night.

Thanks for rubbing it in! (I was counting on the gNats’ phenom to help my Metsies.)

Hey, something several folks here might appreciate: while at the aforementioned Publix this evening, I saw a simple bumper sticker, just black type on a white background, no logo.

Just said “Thanks, Bobby.”

(Cool thing was, I mentioned this to my kid later, and she said “they mean Bobby Cox, right?”)

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:58 pm

Eli Jones

All you have to do is say 6 words,
and you too, can become a muslim.

I’m thinking about it if the Feds come knocking at my door.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:59 pm

I recommend sending this email to all your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it and what the past election has done to all of us!

This is very interesting! Please send me your newsletter!

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:59 pm

STD, ah, now I see you have graduated from vodka sauce to peyote. And what is Dusty on?
:-D

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
8:00 pm

oops. I apologize. A 1000 pardons! SFD not that other thing.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
8:02 pm

Eli Jones, hmmm. I wonder if he using the Chinese approved version of Google. And why is it that the NRA is getting “exempt status” from Finance Reform?

tm

June 29th, 2010
8:02 pm

Let me see if I underdtand this KOS pay big $$$ to a company to do some polling that is giving him the results that help bring $$$ to his web site and causes. Now he finds out that the reality is that his candidates are going to lose big time in November and he is pissed that his pollling company did find this out earlier. KOS was always quick to make fun and claim bias of other polling companies including Rasmusth(SP?)..KOS is now in a depression because he thought he had amd knew the pulse of the nation. Now he finds out thaqt he has the pulse of a bunch of losers.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
8:02 pm

A 1000 pardons! SFD not that other thing.

Jeez, if I took offense every time someone made that mistake…
well, they’d call me “mike.”

Gonna catch a little baseball on the Teevee.
See ya later, you crazy mindless partisans!

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
8:03 pm

one other thing… 6-3 Marlins? WTF?

argh.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
8:05 pm

jt

I thought it was 11 words…

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
8:07 pm

one other thing… 6-3 Marlins? WTF?

sfd,

I wouldn’t get too excited or worried yet. If the wind is blowing out in San Juan this one might be 15-14 before it’s done.

jt

June 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

josef nix

I wish I could tell you what I think the words are but that might make me one.

You might be correct if you put the “and” in there.
Tell me what you think they are. (you can read them with impunity).

Islam has some good points. I could have used their divource laws about 20 years ago.

Charts and Graphs

June 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

Kyle Wingfield did a piece today to show how the rich pay more than their fair share of taxes. He was very convincing and scored one for the low scoring Republicans.

It was a Pyrrhic victory. His evidence had to allow that 20 percent of the population make 60 percent of the income. That’s a great system for 60 million Americans, and a total system failure for 240 million Americans.

Obama will change the injustice, as he was elected to do by the majority of Voters.

@@

June 29th, 2010
8:12 pm

My question is, does Markos still receive compensation from the Democratic Party? Back when, he bragged that he received somewhere in the neighborhood of $75,000 for doing whatever it is he does. Even claimed the only way he could exert more influence is if he were President, himself.

Moulitsas, bought and paid for by the dems. Of course, Moulitsas sees it differently…according to him, the Democratic Party belongs to him:

“Now it’s our party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”

Dusty

June 29th, 2010
8:20 pm

Ahhh Braves acting brave!! Go go go !!!

Don’t the rest of you ever have any fun? Stuck here fusssin’ over the Daily Kos! That’s like sitting around thinking of a good recipe for roadkill. Don’t tell Jay I said so. He’s already into the Pepto Bismol!

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
8:25 pm

jt

There is but one G-d, All-h and Mohammad is his prophet…

Islam does have some positive aspects, communal self-reliance and charity being two…just like any other religion, though, it can be hijacked and turned into something completely alien to its message. Sufism is quite interesting to me in that it seeks an ecumenical path.

@@

June 29th, 2010
8:38 pm

A very entertaining blog.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/

Loved some of their “Past Favorites” — 60 Second Refutation of Socialism, While Sitting at the Beach

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 29th, 2010
8:40 pm

Well, I see Sister Dusty is into the cheap wine again. You need to drink about a gallon of it to get the buzz she’s got.

Anyway, I was real sorry to learn Larry King’s leaving. He was the best thing to ever happen to Fox News. When his mug comes on, people just flip to Fox and stay there. I ain’t seen such a boring show since Howdy Doody went off the air. I mean, he spends a hour with some drugged-up rocker listening to how his band made records way back then. If we made the Terrists in Gitmo watch his show, they’d spill their guts before they were made to watch another one. And turn in bin Laden too. Meantime, King’s wife is sleeping with the kids’ baseball coach and King is still boring us. I’d rather watch his wife. Who’s with me? Huh?

See you in the a.m. everybody.

Dusty

June 29th, 2010
8:40 pm

@@

Please give Moulitsas all the Democrats. If he says ” we ” bought it, own it and want to take it back, give it to him. And then ship the whole kit & kabootle to Venezuela!!

I mean we need some peace and quiet for awhile. All Dems have not recovered from BushDidIt which has progressed to the virulent state of PerniciousPalinitis. They need a rest. Off to Venezuela!

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
8:46 pm

60 Second Refutation of Socialism, While Sitting at the Beach

No ADD issues with their followers. At least I certainly hope not.

Road Scholar

June 29th, 2010
8:49 pm

SPQR @ 6:21: “My crack polling staff has determined …”

From your posts, I thought that you were on drugs!

Good night all.

@@

June 29th, 2010
8:50 pm

It’s funny stuff, Taxpayer. For instance:

Building Codes and Protectionism
June 25, 2010, 12:11 pm

I have written a lot about state licensing typically being more about protecting incumbents from competition than consumer protection. This is a story in a similar vein, where plumbers worked to stop the approval of waterless urinals because they required, well, fewer plumbers to install. In the end, there was a compromise — the plumbers would support waterless urinals in the code, BUT the code would also say that water still had to be piped to the urinals that don’t need water. I kid you not.

This reminds me of when railroads were switching from steam locomotives to diesel. The switch basically obsoleted the job of the fireman, who shoveled coal and kept the fire optimized in the boiler. Faced with extinction, the fireman’s union followed a gutsy strategy — they demanded that diesel locomotives have two firemen instead of one! You see where this is going. Eventually, they compromised at one, so for years, decades even, useless firemen were paid to ride around on locomotives.–Coyote Blog

@@

June 29th, 2010
8:54 pm

Another one:

New Environmental Protection Agency regulations treat spilled milk like oil, requiring farmers to build extra storage tanks and form emergency spill plans.

Local farming advocates says it’s ridiculous to regulate a liquid with a small percentage of butter fat the same way as the now-infamous BP oil spill.

“It’s just another, unnecessary over-regulation by the government just lacking any common sense,” said Bill Robb, dairy educator for Michigan State University Extension…

The EPA regulations state that “milk typically contains a percentage of animal fat, which is a non-petroleum oil. Thus, containers storing milk are subject to the Oil Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasure Program rule when they meet the applicability criteria…”–Coyote Blog

Pointing out the absurd.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
8:56 pm

@@
Is there a regulation not to cry over it? ISH

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
8:57 pm

You lost me after the first 60 seconds, @@.

NJ

June 29th, 2010
9:02 pm

Not uncommon. I have been involved with hiring marketing companies who did polls who basically decided they were going to find what they believed those who hired them wanted to hear. Or what the elected official wanted to hear.

In one case, I did all of the initial research myself. For the placement of a governmental center. A new one. The idea was to place the building in what would be the demographic center of the population for the next few decades. I located it. However, the political conservatives, the people with money and those with land and businesses in other areas of the county wanted to be able to sell that land to the government at prices that had been inflated by kiting the land back and forth between each other. They hired a marketing firm to do polling and guess what. Initially the marketing firm places the site within a few blocks of where I had. At every step, it was hinted that this was not an “acceptable” location. In the end, the marketing firm discovered exactly what those wealthy property owners wanted. A site ten miles to the east of the demographic center, and miles away from 80 percent of the population.

md

June 29th, 2010
9:03 pm

Eleven words?? Six words?? How about 2 words – I’m Muslim.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
9:06 pm

@@ — really you swallow the government bad line in everything.

There are issues with waterless urinals and maintenance requirements. Just because someone suggests running a water line in case the system does not work does not necessarily mean it is protectionism. Its a lot cheaper to run the line during construction than after construction.

Building codes change slowly for reasons and there are competing interests but it is not more about protectism that consumer protection. Attend a few meetings of a state licensing board and maybe you would understand a little more.

And remember, up until July 2008, anyone and I mean anyone could build a skyscraper in this state or your home. Now we have state contractor licensing. Licensing and codes have a serious consumer protection function.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
9:07 pm

md is Muslim! Why, I never would have guessed from your appearances here.

@@

June 29th, 2010
9:09 pm

You lost me after the first 60 seconds, @@.

ADD?

josef:

That same thought came to my mind when I read it.

I’m outta here.

I know it’s tomorrow, but since I may not be here, I just wanted to wish Thomas Sowell another Happy Birthday.

And to one of my all-time favorite bloggers…

HAPPY BIRTHDAY RW (THE ONE AND ONLY)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carpet Kitten

June 29th, 2010
9:10 pm

You mean people really read the Daily Kook? My stars. Lots of liberal hate going on in there. Not as bad as Democratunderground however.

Well, it’s Day 70 and the Obama Administration is now going to accept international help. Better late than never, no? Especially since the Dutch already offered once and was rejected.

And then we have Kagan not answering if it’s unconstitutional to have the government to force you what to eat. Now for everyone who whined about the Bush administration eroding personal freedoms, where are you since Democrats have taken over our government?

The amazing world of liberals and Democrats.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
9:10 pm

theyeshaveit :

That’s a separate branch of government. I don’t believe that is what the 10th Amendment meant as the three branches of government are spelled out in the main body of the Constitution.

Keep up the good fight:

Again ……….. “post facto” laws are something that is specifically prohibited.

I am talking about “powers’ NOT delegated to the United States that are reserved to the States.

What would an example of one of “those powers” be that are reserved to the States?

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
9:13 pm

Someone here has ADD? Who is it? Or maybe you told me, and it somehow slipped my mind. Well, I will pay attention this time…who has ADD?

md

June 29th, 2010
9:13 pm

“md is Muslim! Why, I never would have guessed from your appearances here.”

Nice thing about an anonymous blog, one can be whatever they want at any given moment.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
9:13 pm

@@,

I hope you like knowing whether your drinking water is radioactive or if it is loaded down with MTBE or mercury, etc. As for your house, you would not believe some of the shoddy workmanship I’ve seen building inspectors let slide even when they had code in place that required better. Then again, in many cases it just boils down to the individuals and their standards.

ken R

June 29th, 2010
9:15 pm

Hmmmmm, Kos got caught just like the whacko scientists on global warming got caught. How many more liberal groups out there will get caught. Anyone want any Acorns?

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
9:16 pm

Thanks @@

(IBFH)

md

June 29th, 2010
9:19 pm

Per the religious exemption in the hc bill – it is interesting that it follows the same process when one exempts from SS and Medicare – one waives all rights to future benefits.

So, if one exempts from the hc insurance, and the SCOTUS has ruled that no one may be denied care, how exactly is that one going to work??

RB from Gwinnett

June 29th, 2010
9:21 pm

Gee, the party of no morals lied yet again…..
Yawn….

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
9:23 pm

Scout…now dont get your panties in a wad. You asked at 5:45 “Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

We can agree there is an answer to that question. Now you are changing your question to ask for a power that the federal government cannot do that the state can do. Ummm.. technically the state could under the 10th amendment pass a ex post facto laws however their state constitutions may prohibit.

Ken R — ACORN again? Nut job….can you say doctored tapes?

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
9:24 pm

md, do you have a link to the info on that part of the HC law?

Del

June 29th, 2010
9:25 pm

Josef,
Well here again I’m late on the blog but not too late to stir up trouble. Let’s see many are here, you, Scout, Taxpayer, I didn’t see AmVet, Normal or Popeye, however, I’m sure they will be along. Jay, seems to be worried about Markos Halitosis from the Daily Kos and that media communications far less than accurate polls. I’ll will have to study this condition a little bit further to determine the extent of the damage. Jay, don’t worry you can always do what Obama does best blame Bush and in this instance blame the Daily Kos for their incompetence.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
9:28 pm

Of it’s Bush’s fault. That could go without saying at this point, given it is common knowledge.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
9:30 pm

And Bush was Bush’s fault, too (George the First). ;-)

uhoh

June 29th, 2010
9:32 pm

Are these guys related to the guys that made up the global-warming BS?

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
9:33 pm

uhoh, no. But Bush 1 and Bush 2 are.

Del

June 29th, 2010
9:33 pm

off topic, for all you soccer fans.

Did y’all see where Hector Castro beat his two year old daughter to death because the little girl cried while he was watching a World Cup match down in South Texas.

And the Lib’s cry about gun control

4T9

June 29th, 2010
9:35 pm

I have a problem with almost all polling. They are designed to acheive the results that the person paying for the poll wants to acheive. Daily Kos is very liberal. This is clearly a reflection on the type of journalism they practice. What goes around comes around in the end doesn’t it?

md

June 29th, 2010
9:37 pm

Eyes,

I took it from this snopes link checking the above post:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
9:37 pm

I don’t think a change in gun control laws in Texas would have made any difference in that matter. Then again, who knows with those Texas conservatives.

md

June 29th, 2010
9:38 pm

Polling is like an anonymous blog – one can say whatever the heck they want with very little retribution.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
9:40 pm

md

Oh, no! That md…I should have known…it’s that Muslim abbreviation to keep from writing his name…your name’s Mohammad…

Del…
Popeye? Oh, je crois qu’il est ici. Tu sais qu’il change son nom chaque poste…il a un problème avec son idéntité!

I think Normal’s stuffing his face about now! Bless his heart…

AmVet’s been in and out…

Good to see ya, though…reckon we can rile the Bruin? Maybe if mike comes in…?

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
9:42 pm

Decisions, decisions. Should I buy more KMB for my dividend stock portfolio or maybe add some BDX or…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
9:44 pm

Keep up the good fight!

I hear you but I am not sure that fits the bill either. States couldn’t pass those either because they can’t violate individual rights under the U.S. Constitution. States can be less retrictive on individual rights but not more.

I’m not trying to trick you. I’m just trying to find a concrete example.

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 29th, 2010
9:49 pm

This n that

On the spilled milk regulations: Why not get a few thousand cats out of the shelter and let them clean it up. It’s a win-win for everybody.

On building codes and inspections: Many years ago when I worked construction it went like this, if it was an inspector that liked my boss, he’d drive up, fill out his little paper work and sign off without ever getting out of his vehicle. If it was an inspector who didn’t like my boss, he’d spend 3 hours picking it to death. Somehow, I doubt that’s changed much.

The blog sure has wandered around tonight. When I left to go to the garden for a while, I was fully expecting to come back and find that Hawaii had seceeded and somebody was wanting to raise an army to go invade them. :lol:

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 29th, 2010
9:49 pm

Why is this a story? You are really reaching lately. Of course you wouldn’t want to do a piece on the inept Liar in Chief – that would be against your views. mmmm, mmm, mmm…so one term.

md

June 29th, 2010
9:51 pm

“Should I buy more KMB for my dividend stock portfolio or maybe add some BDX or…”

Tip – Verizon to sell iphones starting next year……..combine that with the “me” generation and walla….

Del

June 29th, 2010
9:54 pm

All too tame tonight…hope Jay works things out with Markos Halitosis. Taps y’all

Carpet Kitten

June 29th, 2010
9:58 pm

“It was a Pyrrhic victory. His evidence had to allow that 20 percent of the population make 60 percent of the income. That’s a great system for 60 million Americans, and a total system failure for 240 million Americans. Obama will change the injustice, as he was elected to do by the majority of Voters.”

Hey charts and graphs: the bottom 50% of income earners pay 3% of all income tax and that’s all you got? But anyway, hate to break you the late news to ya, but Obama ran as a moderate, not as a radical leftist tax-deficit spend liberal has he (and Democrats in congress) is now. Moderates elected Obama (and Democrats in congress), not liberals. You wanna know how I know that? Because only 28% of the population identifies themselves as liberal. You do the math on what’s going to happen starting this November with Harry Reid – who can only look to fund raising help from outside his state (lmao). You wanna piss off the majority electorate? Just raise taxes.

“Polling is like an anonymous blog – one can say whatever the heck they want with very little retribution.”

Actually, md, polling is more about loaded questions to get a specific answer. About the only two polls I trust are from Gallup and Rasmussen, but of which show Obama and the Democrat-run Congress well below 50% in approval ratings. I trust blog and media polling about as much as a hyena.

‘Nite.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
10:03 pm

md,

I have a very small position in VZ. A hundred shares. I also have a 100 shares each of COP, KMB, HCP, NLY, UPS, WM, and MSFT plus a few others. They make up my dividend stock portfolio. I have been keeping an eye out when the market takes these dips to see if it is time to add something. I figure I’m just as well off doing that as I would be by parking money in a money market or CD.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
10:09 pm

SO IT’S COME TO THIS ………….

Headline: “School Officials Won’t Let Students Recite Pledge of Allegiance”

“When Sean Harrington entered his freshman year at Arlington High School, he noticed something peculiar: There were no American flags in the classrooms, and no one recited the Pledge of Allegiance. So Harrington enlisted the aid of his fellow students, and now, three years later, they have succeeded in getting flags installed in the classrooms. But the pledge still will not be recited.”

“The Arlington, Mass., school committee has rejected the 17-year-old’s request to allow students to voluntarily recite the Pledge of Allegiance, because some educators are concerned that it would be hard to find teachers willing to recite it, according to a report in the Arlington Patch.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/29/ma-school-officials-wont-let-students-recite-pledge-allegiance/?test=latestnews

Del

June 29th, 2010
10:13 pm

One last post, did y’all see Pete Stark Democrat California, go Stark raving mad during a town hall meeting declaring that the borders are secure, while his constituents cat called him. What an A-hole.

John Galt Jr.

June 29th, 2010
10:14 pm

Who’s worried about polls when the stock market is hitting new lows for the year and the emperor is now nude for the whole world to see. Best the that has happened for conservatism in 100 years was electing this clown. November is coming. Damn the polls.

md

June 29th, 2010
10:14 pm

“Actually, md, polling is more about loaded questions to get a specific answer. ”

I should have clarified my statement – I was referring to those polled and their responses vs the poll itself. Just because one responds to a poll does not mean that is how one truly feels – all part of the “game”.

md

June 29th, 2010
10:16 pm

TP,

Sounds like a plan……and at this point one is as good as another……..or maybe better.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
10:17 pm

Is California still having a problem with its northern border. Those danged Oregonians. There ought to be a law against them.

Del

June 29th, 2010
10:20 pm

TaxPayer,

Damned right, lets boycott the S.O.B.’s

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
10:35 pm

When I lived in Washington, there was a billboard popular throughout the area, “Don’t Californicate Washington.” Oregon put up some that said, “Californians! Welcome to Oregon. Spend your money and go home.” Reminded me of home!

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
10:39 pm

josef, ah but in California there used to be a bumper sticker that read, “Welcome to California, when you leave, take someone with you.”

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
10:41 pm

Well, if there is anyone left here, I wish you a good night. Time for me to say “adios”.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
10:50 pm

eyes

Heard one from Arizona, “Would the last person leaving Tucson please turn out the lights…”

And with that, I, too will turn out the lights. Timekeeper? I’m punching out now…no need to fill out overtime papers today…

Bud Wiser

June 29th, 2010
11:03 pm

Another media wag duped by a pollster.

I’m shocked.

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
11:14 pm

All men are bored with other men’s lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gXuBRMtU2A

miagi

June 29th, 2010
11:25 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 30th, 2010
4:52 am

Eager to salvage one of President Barack Obama’s legislative priorities, lawmakers replaced the bank fee with money generated by ending the $700 billion bank bailout and by increasing bank premiums on deposit insurance. -Urinal

Eager?

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Anyway, you have to admire our little soap opera, The Way the Urinal Spins, and their propaganda engorgements, the only thing Scott Brown et al are “eager” to do is STOP SPENDING ALL THE PEOPLE’S FREAKING MONEY, I don’t even think that obozo’s “priorities” entered his mind, just sayin…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 30th, 2010
5:00 am

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley will push for a strict handgun ordinance to replace its doomed gun ban that will likely include limiting each resident to a single handgun, requiring gun owners to have insurance and prohibiting gun stores from setting up shop in the city, his top lawyer said Tuesday.-Urinal

Yeah, one gun is all you need, we will get into specific models later, but for now a .45 semi loaded with 260 grain hollow points would be an excellent choice.

Now watch the Chicago crime rate plummet and the libs look like jacka$$es, just sayin…

Norman

June 30th, 2010
5:59 am

Some sort of opinion manipulation resulted in McCain getting the republican nomination. Liberals knew McCain would be satisfactory substitute liberal if they lost. Four years prior I answered a little political test of republicans and McCain came out dead last according to my answers. In 2008 every little quiz I tried showed McCain ahead by a large margin and I had not changed my opinions in between. Huckabee and Romney were the only two republicans I would even have considered. I voted in the democratic primary to stop Hillary and a day doesn’t pass that I don’t regret voting for Obama before I voting against Obama.

A CONSERVATIVE

June 30th, 2010
6:12 am

JAY….Out here in the boon-docks…south of “sophisticated” Atlanta…we know 99-percent of POLLs are cooked to reflect the Left-wing agenda of the Media..

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
6:52 am

“we know 99-percent of POLLs are cooked ”

Get that number from a poll you took…hmmm?

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
6:53 am

“Some sort of opinion manipulation resulted in McCain getting the republican nomination”

pssssssssst … don’t anyone tell Norman about the caucaus system where McCain beat Mittens, Huckabee and Ron Paul …

Delegate count:
McCain – 1,378
Huckabee – 240
Mittens – 148
Paul – 14

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
6:55 am

Doggone – I don’t know about you, but when I cook a poll, I like to saute it with a little garlic, then, before serving, deglaze the pan with a splash of balsamic vinegar …

mmmmmmm … fresly cooked polls …

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
6:56 am

USinUK – me? I prefer a brown sugar glaze, most polls need as much sweetening as they can get!

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
7:01 am

we know 99-percent of POLLs are cooked

and WE speak of OURSELVES…in the THIRD PERSON…because it is COOL… almost as COOL AS ALL-CAPS and ELLYPS…EE-LIPs…

THEM THREE DOTSIES THINGIES…

TaxPayer

June 30th, 2010
7:06 am

Don’t be makin’ fun of the three dotsie thingies or else I might get excited and go ALL-CAPS.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:09 am

db – you forgot inappropriate use of hyphens …

and, I’m with Taxpayer – no pokin fun of the three-dotsies!! I’ll bust an all-caps on your a$$

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
7:15 am

Don’t be makin’ fun of the three dotsie thingies

My favorite punctuation offender here hasn’t figured out that his text editor is auto-correcting his dotsie-thingies, so he keeps on hitting the periods over and over again, to the point where he virtually always screws up and dumps nine (9) dots to separate each and every one of his… Deep… Thoughts.

DEEP THROAT

June 30th, 2010
7:15 am

Come on Jay, tell us how its Bush’s fault these polls are faulty. You have already taken your stab at the GOP, you just hate the GOP don’t you, such a hypocrite aren’t cha.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:20 am

Good Morning all…(three dotsies, so there :) )

Someone posted Mark Twains quote on stats… (whoops, again)

The whole quote is thus… (Dang, I can’t stop)

“Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:20 am

“you just hate the GOP don’t you, such a hypocrite aren’t cha.”

How is “hating” the GOP hypocritical?

Granny Godzilla

June 30th, 2010
7:20 am

I’m proud to say I read Kos every day, I also read Drudge for balance but Matt always leaves me feeling soiled.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:22 am

DEEP THROAT, two words…(dang) Less caffeine… (d’oh)

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:24 am

and DT gives us our first strawman of our day … thanks Deep!!

strawmen … full of fiber to keep you regular …

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:24 am

“I also read Drudge for balance ”

Granny G – to “balance” an extreme, you should read a balanced site…not the opposite extreme

DEEP THROAT

June 30th, 2010
7:25 am

Did anyone bark up a tree this morning, the moons not out, I don’t know why that dang dog keeps howling, I guess he’s just barking at his own shadow.

koid

June 30th, 2010
7:26 am

JAY – here is a news flash for you: nobody but the people that pay for polls believe the results. based on my unscientific poll conducted in my house.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:26 am

ew. starting my day with Drudge? I’d feel dirty for the rest of the day.

and not in a good way.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:27 am

DT, Witty too…(gawd, I’ve got a dottsie jones)

koid

June 30th, 2010
7:27 am

granny – i don’t know what you read on drudge as he only supplies links to stories.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:29 am

Oh, I don’t know, the Drudge is a good bathroom read, just in case, well you know..
.
. (Trying to lower my intake) :)

TaxPayer

June 30th, 2010
7:30 am

Oh Noes, Doggone. One must have exposure to the extremes in order to more fully appreciate the middle.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:30 am

DT – as Chip Monk said, “To get back to the warning that I received. You may take it with however many grains of salt that you wish. That the brown acid that is circulating around us isn’t too good. It is suggested that you stay away from that. Of course it’s your own trip. So be my guest, but please be advised that there is a warning on that one, ok?”

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:34 am

USinUK,
I have to ask. What do you think of a Doctor who makes you fast untill
after one in the afternoon, and has his office in a complex that has a Krispy Kreme in it? Yes, I succumbed, six times.

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:34 am

“One must have exposure to the extremes in order to more fully appreciate the middle”

Hmmm…that’s not how I see it. If you are riding a seesaw you never get to the middle as long as you are seated on either end.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:35 am

Normal – haha … I think once qualifies as “succumbed” – 6 times … well, that’s a full-fledge affair.

when do you find out about your blood tests?

the mister goes in for his on Thursday, so won’t find out anything until after the weekend.

DEEP THROAT

June 30th, 2010
7:37 am

Well its time to be more productive today, enough of the Loonie tunes, as Redneck would say ya’ll set around and spew your hatred and by the way quote a few more polls so you feel you have substanciate your veiw.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:38 am

Doggone,
If there is a see saw, a person on each end, and one in the middle, who do you suppose, controls the rise and fall?

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:40 am

“who do you suppose, controls the rise and fall?”

I know who doesn’t…it isn’t the person in the middle. In order to control the seesaw they have to move closer to either end. The only one who can control it is the one on the lower end.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:40 am

USinUK,
A week from today I’ll find out if I get to play the scare crow…”If I only had a brain”.

TaxPayer

June 30th, 2010
7:41 am

Depending on one’s perspective, Doggone, that see-saw could also be viewed as passing through the middle on each half-cycle, unless it is not being utilized to full advantage.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:42 am

Doggone,
Nope. The people on either end have nowhere to go but toward the middle, whereas the middle person can add his weight to whatever “side” he chooses. That is power! :D

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:42 am

Normal – meh. brains are overrated … just look at Michelle Bachmann – she seems to do just fine without one!

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:43 am

“that see-saw could also be viewed as passing through the middle on each half-cycle”

It passes through, yes, but it doesn’t balance there. And actually, playground seesaws are more heavily weighted at one end…ever tried to balance one with no one on it?

My take on it comes round-about from something it took me a while to understand in relation to love and hate: the opposite of either is not the other, the opposite of both is indifference

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:44 am

“whereas the middle person can add his weight to whatever “side” he chooses”

But that’s the same thing *I* said…a seesaw can’t be controlled from the middle, there has to be a shift in one direction or the other in order to get control.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:47 am

Normal – unfortunately, the mister doesn’t have an Oz character to relate to – there was no “If I only had a liver” song …

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
7:49 am

Oh, I don’t know, the Drudge is a good bottom boy, just in case, well you know..

fyt.

But seriously. I decided long ago it was immoral to give Drudge click-throughs so I stopped even looking at the thing. For those who still do:

1) Does it still look like a c. 1998 geocities freebie-site html nightmare?

2) Does he still have little animated sie-REEns to let you know a story is Extree Important?

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
7:50 am

There is already a Country of Georgia so wouldnt make sense for the State to break away from the US. Plus it would be very confusing.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:52 am

USinUK, That’s a bummer. I wish him well. They are doing great things in that area. I have a friend who just had a transplant a year ago, and he’s doing great. I hope it doesn’t go that far with Mr. USinUK.

Outhouse GoKart

June 30th, 2010
7:52 am

Where ever she goes Granny just spouts silly BS.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:53 am

Normal – thanks – wishing you well with your results, as well !! how’s your sis?

Doggone/GA

June 30th, 2010
7:53 am

“Plus it would be very confusing”

The could always name THIS one “North American Georgia” – it’s got a great acronym

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:54 am

Outhouse GoKart

We could just call us “Jawja” and remove the confusion…

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
7:55 am

Doggone – I think it should be “Georgia – Regionally It’s Terribly Southern” … that would be a more appropriate acronym

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
7:56 am

With all due respect to our own Hillbilly Deluxe (his post @ 5.23 pm, specifically), I for one cannot understand the deeply seated animus toward the whole polling process one sees, at least out here in this comments page.

Obviously there is a lot of very useful information to be mined out there; on a very basic level, if it were bogus, political and commercial institutions wouldn’t pay major bucks to commission such work.

And to assert that the “only poll that matters is the one in November” as a reason to never dig into these things is to a) cede intellectual control to those who are willing to sully themselves thus, and b) be a spoil sport to those of us who actually enjoy digging into them.

Put another way–saying you ought to wait until Nov. to care about polling is a bit like telling a baseball fan he oughta wait until the World Series to pay much heed to silly things like offensive and pitching stats. (An imperfect analogy, but one that’ll do for now.)

Normal

June 30th, 2010
7:58 am

USinUK,
My sister is incredible. What a great attitude. Going bald though.
She is griping about the splochiness of the hair loss. I told her to go ahead and shave her head. Who was that Irish singer back in the ’80’s who shaved her head? I could use that to keep her laughing.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
7:59 am

If there is a see saw, a person on each end, and one in the middle, who do you suppose, controls the rise and fall?

But, enough about Chief Justice Anthony Kennedy.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:00 am

dB – regarding the “only poll that matters” philosophy – I’m a believer of it when it comes to approval ratings because they never tell you who is doing the talking and what they approve/disapprove OF. Congressional approval ratings are a great example – they are only marginally higher now than they were when the GOP was in charge – why? well, you have the GOP which isn’t going to approve of anythig Nancy&Co do, you have the Dems that think they’re not doing enough, etc … we just don’t know the detail behind the data …

larry

June 30th, 2010
8:00 am

Sinead O’Conner

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:04 am

Normal – hrmmm … singers who shaved their heads – both Sinead O’Connor and Britney Spears threw a nutty … coinkidink???

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:04 am

“One of the most significant divisions in American public life is not between the Democrats and the Republicans; it is between the Ugly Party and the Grown-Up Party.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062903841.html

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:09 am

yeah … written by the guy who, just last week, threw spitballs at Al Franken …

oh, yeah. Gerson has LOADS of room to talk about who is a “grown-up” and who isn’t.

:roll:

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
8:13 am

Congressional approval ratings are a great example – they are only marginally higher now than they were when the GOP was in charge – why?

Other than to establish some mildly interesting historical trendline that might bear analytical fruit for someone’s term paper, I honestly can’t imagine why anyone bothers to poll overall Congressional approval. Obviously, it rises and falls for reasons that have bugger-all to do with actual Congressional activity.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:16 am

dB – and that’s exactly the point – not all polls are created equal – which is why I agree with HD (at least when it comes to approval / popularity polls) – that he only poll that matters is the one in November.

TaxPayer

June 30th, 2010
8:32 am

Oh well. Time to go massacre a few timbers, Texas-style — with a good high quality foreign-made chainsaw. Husqvarna.

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:33 am

USinUK –

I know that you have a reflexive hatred for all who don’t share your political views, but you are just making crap up about Gerson. The reason that you supply no evidence of your knee-jerk claims is that there is none.

So just for once, back up your claim. Please provide the offending comments from Gerson that are counter to his argument. You know, back up your empty rhetoric for once.

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:36 am

USinUK –

Just read the Franken article that you are whining about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062203210.html

It is a very civil criticism of Franken’s hateful rhetoric and his misinterpretation of Supreme Court rulings. Where are the “spitballs” that you claim?

Normal

June 30th, 2010
8:37 am

TaxPayer

June 30th, 2010
8:32 am

Don’t cut them…hug them! After all, they are CO2 scrubbers…

tscali

June 30th, 2010
8:37 am

the kossacks got taken? typical of liberal kooks, trust but never verify.

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:38 am

Gee is this the “spitball”?:

“No, in Franken’s view judges should be more like the Committee of Public Safety during the French Revolution — an unelected group of super-legislators who issue binding verdicts based on their advanced conceptions of justice and class warfare.

Originalism is not a talking point; it is a developed, consistent theory of judicial interpretation. But that does not make it easy to apply. As most advocates of originalism have long recognized, there is no single intent of the fractious Founders. The Constitution’s meaning is found by examining the way it was generally understood at the time of its passage — not only by the Constitutional Convention but also by the state ratifying conventions and informed citizens. Some constitutional provisions are straightforward — a president must be at least 35. Others — such as forbidding “cruel and unusual punishment” — seem intentionally vague. The determination of the Constitution’s original public meaning leaves room for disagreement and judicial discretion, as the spirited historical argument between Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice John Paul Stevens in the Heller decision on the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” demonstrates.”

Sound like the kind of serious conversation that you have never provided. If civil and intelligent conversation is “throwing spitballs” then you need to start learning how to throw spitballs.

Normal

June 30th, 2010
8:39 am

Man O’ man. Talk about knee jerk…emphasis on jerk…just sayin’

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:39 am

“the kossacks got taken?”

The worse part is that mainstream media outlets (like the AJC) repeatedly touted these garbage numbers.

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:41 am

“Man O’ man. Talk about knee jerk…emphasis on jerk…just sayin’”

Man oh man. Talk about a lonely person so obsessed with me that he always barks whenever I post. Regardless of how empty the rhetoric, my truly obsessed fans can’t help but yammer some drivel. LOL

Let me know if you ever have a comment to make that is more than lame name calling.

mike

June 30th, 2010
8:42 am

Well, off to my life. I’ll come back in a few hours and check in. I can guarantee you whatever time of the day I come back, Normal will be here. What else would he be doing? Hanging out with friends? LOL

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
8:43 am

Normal

June 30th, 2010
8:47 am

Now that was funny! And as a man with 14 Grand Kids and two Great Grand kids, I am way beyond lonely…But you sir, have a bile level beyond the BP spill. I have never read a polite, civil discourse from you with someone who disagrees with you. You just mock, insult and try to belittle your distractor. Mike, I have tried to get you to understand, but you are really getting to look pretty pathetic. Take a hard look in the mirror and repeat after me…”All the world needs now is love, sweet love…”

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2010
8:47 am

stiffy sheets.

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
8:53 am

“Sound like the kind of serious conversation that you have never provided”

:lol:

thus sayeth mr. ad hominem attack on Jay at every opportunity …

as far as the spitballs, I’m surprised you missed the lede:

“One problem with a political landslide of the kind that Republicans now contemplate in November is that it may also sweep into office various ideologues who become embarrassments — candidates such as J.D. Hayworth and Rand Paul. Democrats are familiar with this possibility, because they have Sen. Al Franken.

In the months since his election, the author of “Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot,” who has referred to opponents as “human filth” and who once accused Ronald Reagan of supporting the torture and rape of nuns, has tried to control his bile addiction, at least in public. Speaking last week to the American Constitution Society, he relapsed.”

strawman alert! strawman alert! “No, in Franken’s view judges should be more like the Committee of Public Safety during the French Revolution — an unelected group of super-legislators who issue binding verdicts based on their advanced conceptions of justice and class warfare.”

and the conclusion, “Franken is attempting to be serious, but he should not be taken seriously.”

but, yeah. Gerson is soooooooooooo “grown up”

USinUK

June 30th, 2010
9:00 am

Normal – “You just mock, insult and try to belittle your distractor.”

you forgot “and clutch your pearls”

Thogwummpy

June 30th, 2010
9:10 am

I work in B2B media, and anytime we commission a research company to do a study, we insist upon access and review to the raw data. That is customary practice. Thusly, the fact that Daily Kos took so long to ask for such material, doing no reviews on their own—speaks also to their sloppy practices; and perhaps that they didn’t WANT to know what they were reporting.

williebkind

June 30th, 2010
9:25 am

Does anyone with reason ever believe a progressive liberal pole? Like climategate and now the Kos. It amazes me how anyone would associate themselves with progressive liberals–unless it is for sex.

A reader

June 30th, 2010
9:25 am

All polls are suspect – they say that the poll is of likely voters, interested voters, etc.

They should say the poll was conducted with people too bored or stupid to hang up the phone

HDB

June 30th, 2010
10:09 am

Scout June 29th, 2010
9:44 pm
States couldn’t pass those either because they can’t violate individual rights under the U.S. Constitution. States can be less retrictive on individual rights but not more.

Better look at that again……states DID and HAVE passed more restrictive rights…and it took the Federal government to override…and in some cases, to reverse itself!

Examples: Jim Crow – overridden federally
Plessy vs. Ferguson – overridden by Supreme Court and federal law
Present Challenges: AZ SB 1070 – eliminates the presumption of innocence and the creation of apartheid……