Daily Kos says it got cheated by fraudulent pollster

Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas has announced that multiple polls conducted for his website were probably fabricated by Research 2000, the company he hired as his pollster.

Initially, Moulitsas says, he decided to fire Research 2000 after an analysis by the website Fivethirtyeight.com concluded that the company’s polling work was inaccurate. Three statistical experts then volunteered to look a little deeper at the Research 2000 numbers, and pretty quickly concluded that something was seriously wrong. “People who have been trusting the R2K reports should know about these extreme anomalies,” they wrote. “We do not know exactly how the weekly R2K results were created, but we are confident they could not accurately describe random polls.”

Writes Moulitsas:

We contracted with Research 2000 to conduct polling and to provide us with the results of their surveys. Based on the report of the statisticians, it’s clear that we did not get what we paid for. We were defrauded by Research 2000, and while we don’t know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can’t trust it.

Meanwhile, Research 2000 has refused to offer any explanation. Early in this process, I asked for and they offered to provide us with their raw data for independent analysis — which could potentially exculpate them. That was two weeks ago, and despite repeated promises to provide us that data, Research 2000 ultimately refused to do so. At one point, they claimed they couldn’t deliver them because their computers were down and they had to work out of a Kinkos office. Research 2000 was delivered a copy of the report early Monday morning, and though they quickly responded and promised a full response, once again the authors of the report heard nothing more.

No response to the allegations has been posted at the Research 2000 site.

Alarmed, I’ve gone back to look to see how often I cited Research 2000 polls. I found three instances in the last two years. In April 2009 and again in September 2009, I cited Research 2000 polls done for Daily Kos that broke down political attitudes by region, including the South. I also cited a third poll, in May 2009, that purported to find that 43 percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than as part of the United States. (Initially, “I averted my eyes from that poll because frankly, I did not believe those findings and did not want to believe it,” I wrote, but decided to mention it after four of six GOP candidates for governor endorsed a Senate resolution threatening the dissolution of the United States.)

Daily Kos says it will be suing Research 2000 for fraud. It’s hard to know how that will turn out, but the company’s apparent lack of a response and refusal to provide raw data don’t make it look good.

263 comments Add your comment

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June 29th, 2010
5:16 pm

You read DailyKos, jay?

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:16 pm

Good show, Jaybird…it takes a big man to post something like this in which you have to admit you were taken in, too…I’m impressed…

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:17 pm

BTW

I read that figure on secessionist sentiment and raised an eybrow, too. I thought it was a bit low…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

Jay:

What the heck is this? There are a lot of crucial things going on in the world right now. This is not one of them.

Is this a paid advertisement ?

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:20 pm

josef nix:

Don’t cash in your Confederate money yet …………… Lo !!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:20 pm

I meant ……………… :o

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 29th, 2010
5:23 pm

This is why the only poll that matters is the one taken the first Tuesday in November, every even numbered year. All the rest are suspect.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:24 pm

Scout

Of course if you and I start a conversation on this… :-)

On the other hand, just because the Kunderas want to ignore it, doesn’t mean it has gone away. And as the realities of the spill sink in along the Gulf Coast, we’re going to hear more of it and it won’t be, as “they” would like to believe, couched in Confederate terms…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:26 pm

josef:

When it comes around again (and it will) it will start with the Western States and Hawaii.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:29 pm

josef:

This from George Will’s column this week of “proposed” questions to Supreme Court nominee “Lady Kaga”.

How would you answer that last question?

“In Federalist 45, James Madison said: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and indefinite.” What did the Father of the Constitution not understand about the Constitution? Are you a Madisonian? Does the doctrine of enumerated powers impose any limits on the federal government? Can you cite some things that, because of that doctrine, the federal government has no constitutional power to do?”

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:32 pm

Matti

June 29th, 2010
5:33 pm

Daily Kos sucks. BartCop is good, lib’rul entertainment!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:35 pm

“OFF TOPIC #1″

HEADLINE WASHINGTON, June 29 (Reuters) – “The security situation in Afghanistan is tenuous and the Taliban insurgency remains resilient, the U.S. general picked to lead the war in Afghanistan told a Senate confirmation hearing on Tuesday.”

Translation: WE ARE IN TROUBLE !

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 29th, 2010
5:36 pm

The Daily Kooks got exactly what they wanted, just like all you other bald faced lying liberal propaganda outlets, but they got caught.

So blame other guy, typical childish dummycrat response, just sayin..

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:38 pm

Why sure Scout. How do you feel about the Louisiana Purchase and the Alaska purchase? Where were they powers granted to the Feds in the Constitution?

And since we are talking about the Fathers of the Constitution, which founding father is the specific father to be listened to? Which of the compromises? Who views? Jefferson? Hamilton? Washington? Adams?

We can argue about the views of the founding fathers just as much as we can argue political views today so why do you continue to post the absurdity that apparently you have some definitive answer from the “founding fathers.” In fact, men much more learned, educated and intelligent have debated and read the Federalist papers and may other documents and have never once pointed to a single “conclusion” that all agreed too. Do you have any more silliness?

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:39 pm

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:40 pm

I report….yep…just like Sean Hannity doctoring videoclips….oh wait Fox News did that themselves, it was not an outside pollster group hired for purposes of independent polling. Bald facing lying liberals like Hannity…why I oughta…

Jay

June 29th, 2010
5:41 pm

Just setting the record straight, Scout.

In the political world this is pretty big news, because Daily Kos was hardly alone in using Research 2000. Last year another polling outfit, Georgia-based Strategic Vision, was also accused of selling faked poll data. Legitimate polling companies are worried, and for good reason, that the whole industry will be tainted by stuff like this.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:42 pm

I would say that since Andrew Jackson’s “the Supreme Court ruled, let’s see them enforce it” and Lincoln’s “there’s a higher law than the Constitution” what the Constitution says the federal government can and cannot do is a moot point. It will do whatever if feels like.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
5:43 pm

You read DailyKos, jay?

ZOMG JAY RAEDS TEH ORANGE SATAN!!!111!!

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June 29th, 2010
5:43 pm

The DOW did it….it finally dropped below 10K.

@@

June 29th, 2010
5:44 pm

Geez, sfd, are you drunk!!??!!

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:45 pm

Keep up the good fight:

Don’t get your panties in a wad. I’m just looking for an answer to this question. How about it?

Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 29th, 2010
5:46 pm

Now if only Hannity had doctored videoclips then you would have something, moonbat.

Which one of these ate up liberals is parading around as “good night” anyway?

Jay

June 29th, 2010
5:47 pm

And Scout, that is Off Topic #2, I believe, not #1?

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:47 pm

Jay:

1) O.K. I take it all back. But I agree with Hillbilly that 11/2 will be the real poll ………. :o

2) Would you like to take a stab at this one?

Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:49 pm

I’m sorry, I thought my 5:59 was related to the subject since the poll talked about seccession, etc.

Powers of the federal goverment and all …………………..

mike

June 29th, 2010
5:51 pm

Gee, who would have thought that a hateful hyper-partisan blog’s statistical analysis might not be reliable?

Any real journalist would have been skeptical, but not Jay. As always, his mindless partisanship overwhelms any notion of journalistic integrity or responsibility to his community.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
5:51 pm

Hannity! I remember that guy. He doctored videos in order to “prove” his point. Probably still does.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

Jefferson himself questioned the constitutionality of the Louisiana Purchase but went ahead and did it any way. The Alaska Purchase was post Civil War. The constitutionality of the Alaska Purchase was not at issue, imperialism and Manifest Destiny being the mentality of the time and place.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

Scout…ummm.. the law has few absolutes, especially absolutes. There are few points that are absolute. The document was never meant to the be sole governing document of the country, it lays out the basic principles. That is the genius of the document.

But if you want an absolute….you cannot be 30 and be elected President. So the federal govt has no power to change that, absent a constitutional change.

Now why don’t you answer my question….what to do about Alaska? Or do you maintain the Fed Govt had the power to purchase?

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
5:57 pm

The only Pole I was ever interested in was Lech Walesa.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

1) It’s a good one but I really don’t think that answer counts. That’s a “qualification” thing not a “power” of the federal government like levying taxes, etc. There must be at least “one” power thing that the federal government cannot do or the Constitution is meaningless as it restricts the “power” of the federal government.

2) josef answered for me. Dont’ mess with him ……….. he’s good.

mike

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

“In the political world this is pretty big news, because Daily Kos was hardly alone in using Research 2000″

Anyone think that Jay would accept the excuse of “well, everybody was wrong” from one his targets of criticism? He sure didn’t accept that excuse when it came to Iraq WMD intel. Jay would call the person supporting the incorrect information a liar. Unless he was a Democrat of course, then they might not have been lying (see Hillary Clinton).

Only Jay and pundits are allowed to be wrong. Everyone else who is wrong is a liar.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
5:58 pm

Ahh…josef…that is a bit of a crux of the problem. If founding father Jefferson clearly intended the Constitution to be a document with absolute limitations, then when he made the purchase, either he clearly violated that intent or he concluded there were powers the Federal Government had by virtue of interpretation. It demonstrates, there is no single “intent of the Founding Fathers”.

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June 29th, 2010
6:00 pm

Adding to Scout’s OFF-TOPIC #whatever…

WASHINGTON – Gen. David Petraeus had an easy time selling himself as the new Afghan war commander to the Senate Tuesday but had a harder time selling the war.

Petraeus hedged on the July 2011 withdrawal date set by President Obama and suggested that he would ease up on the strict guidelines for the use of firepower imposed by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who lost his job last week for mocking the civilian leadership.

Petraeus said he backed Obama’s policy to put 30,000 more U.S. troops into Afghanistan and begin a drawdown next summer, but any pullouts would be based on how the war was going.–NYDaily

“Should (We) Stay or Should (We) go?”

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:00 pm

Keep up the good fight:

This is pretty straight forward…………………

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:01 pm

Off topic, but it is time to pull back to 30k troops in Afghanistan and acknowledge that we will be there forever in a counter-terrorism role. There really is no other option.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:03 pm

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The only difference will be the number of names on the “Afghanistan Wall”.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
6:07 pm

Scout, perhaps one day you’ll study constitutional law and learn that there is no simple answer. In fact, most acts that you complain about daily are based on consitutional provisions. Now you can go back and maybe read a few of the decisions starting with Mabury v Madison, brown v bd of ed, and even the recent Second Amendment rulings and you’ll find that NOTHING is pretty straight forward, other than to simple people trying to make simplistic arguments to support their own simplistic agendas (and only when those simple arguments are in their favor).

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:08 pm

AmVet

“The only Pole I was ever interested in was Lech Walesa.”

Bite your tongue! Copernicus, Kosciuszko, Marie Curie, Chopin, King Stanislaw, Andrze Wajda, Sienkiewski, Pilsudski, Padarewski, Ludwig Zamenhof, Jerzy Koszinski….just off the top of my head…oh, yes, and Karol Wojtyla..

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:09 pm

“The only difference will be the number of names on the “Afghanistan Wall”

We can’t let that happen. We need to pull back to a smaller, more aggressive force with the writ to take it to the enemy. No more roadside patrols and seeking to win “hearts and minds”. Unless we are planning to keep 80k troops there for 20 years, we have no chance of turning that collection of tribes into a nation.

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
6:11 pm

josef, my bad, I should have written the latest Pole.

And it’s not like you remembered all the famous ones either:

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/a7905e8e-9ff7-4f0d-93e9-6acaa980c1d5.jpg

If we were to take a poll here, who wins the Leg Humper of the Year Award?

mike

June 29th, 2010
6:11 pm

“If we were to take a poll here, who wins the Leg Humper of the Year Award?”

AmVet

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:14 pm

Good Fight

He, in his own estimation, violated it, though not so “clearly” and he did offer a rationale…however, it was a deal he couldn’t pass up…

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:15 pm

OUCH…Jay if you’re here, can you correct that? No idea what happened…thanks…

The X Factor

June 29th, 2010
6:18 pm

Ask Harry Truman what he thinks of polls.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 29th, 2010
6:20 pm

Well, when any poll person calls me, I always tell them the exact opposite of how I feel. Last election I told them I was voting Obama and there ain’t no changing my mind. The other week I told them I was voting for Oxendine when I’m voting for Horsley. So anybody that pays those people to get voting numbers for them deserves what they get. Including this Daily Kos and Bookman. I expect a whole bunch of people in GA don’t want people to know they hate Those People and want the state to break off and become a country, but they won’t tell the poll people that. It’s sort of like not using the N-word in front of people you don’t know good.

Have a good night everybody. And don’t call me if you want to know the truth.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

My crack polling staff has determined 99% of Daily Kos readers are retarded leftist gimps that live in a trunk in zeds basement..the other 1% peruse the site for posts and articles to point at and say “look at these retarded leftist gimps that live in zeds basement”

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

Anyone who knows as much about the Daily Kos as Jay really has no business working for a reputable news organization. So the AJC is the perfect place for him. Either the AJC or the Daily Worker.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

Keep up the good fight/josef, et al

One more time ………………

One does not have to be a constitutional expert to understand that the 10th Amendment limits the powers of the federal government. The reading is plain.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Therefore, if no one can name “one thing” the federal government cannot do as prohibited by the Constitution, then the 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is meaningless, null and void.

It’s really quite simple ……….. and sad.

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:22 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout :

Hey! Lighten Up!

If Jay didn’t, we wouldn’t have this site to enjoy !

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:24 pm

I see josef is trying to pump up the comment count again. :-)

Pretty sure we tried to tell y’all when those polls first got cited they were bogus, but we were dismissed as kook fringers or some such.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:27 pm

Yeah, I don’t want Bookman to lose his Job to attrition, its gonna happen, because the newspaper biz is dead and the AJC antagonizes it’s dwindling subscriber base with it’s continual leftist slant, but I don’t want to be stuck with Just Cynthia Tucker..who, lets be honest, as a black female will be the last person let go due to EEOC browbeating.

Run on sentence there..but it’s fitting, as the AJC got rid of it’s copy editing long ago.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

AmVet

Leg humper of the year? Oh, I wouldn’t even attempt…there’s so many….

Scout
I though I had answered…anything the feds want to do…the 10th has been null and void for quite some time now and even to invoke it is to bring out the Confederate-States Rights canard…

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

RW-(the original):

Take a shot at my 6:21. Can you think of “anything” ?

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:29 pm

RW

That’s it…Jay was in control of my keyboard… :-)

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:30 pm

josef:

Oh, I hear you but here’s the point. No Amendment is “null and void” OFFICIALLY/LEGALLY unless it has been amended. The 10th has not been amended.

So when do the American people enforce it ?

Lil' Barry Bailout

June 29th, 2010
6:31 pm

If frauds Jay Bookman and the Daily Kos say this polling firm’s results are fraudulent, then aren’t they totally correct? It’s like a double negative.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
6:32 pm

I watched “All the presidents men” the other day and i can see why , in the 70’s, being a journalist might have looked like a cool job..but today..the AJC is more like a hip-hop celeb sighting rag, competing with TMZ and that gay cuban.

On another note, dustin hoffman is a little rat man in that movie.

F.Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:32 pm

Something on Daily Kos was fabricated???

I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!!!!!

You believed that 43% number (percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than part of the US), Jay, because that’s your worldview as a flaming liberal.

Us dum-ass (especially southern) conservatives are stooooooopid, ya know.

French Translation

June 29th, 2010
6:34 pm

Jacques Nicques = Les Pitoyable

Vous êtes un embarrassement .

Allez trempent votre perdant de tête

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:35 pm

Scout,

Just standing on it’s own I don’t know what you’re getting at in your 6:21 so I tried to swim upthread a bit to catch the conversation that lead to it. I tend to agree with “Keep up the good fight” that no matter how straight forward the law might seem you’ll easily be able to find someone else that’s just as sure that it clearly says something quite different.

I’ll try to take it further if you tell me what “anything” I’m supposed to be looking for.

F.Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:37 pm

I’m pretty sure GWB had something to do with this travesty…….

Scout

June 29th, 2010
6:39 pm

RW-(the original) :

“Anything” is some specific power the federal government cannot exercise (as per the Constitution) because it is reserved to the states or to the people.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:39 pm

French Translation

Is that to me? You need to turn off your translator…talk about an emabarassment! :-)

Sinkwich…
Are you a Southern conservative…? Not sure how to take that one…

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
6:43 pm

Geez, sfd, are you drunk!!??!!

erm, no, not remotely (ok, I did just have some creamy vodka sauce with tortellini with my fambly, but I’m pretty sure that doesn’t count) I just thought your question was kind of funny.

Like asking Kyle or Bob Barr or Wootie “Do you read the Drudge Report?”

To be honest, I’m glad that Jay posted this, not so much because it represents “manning up” (Jay’s going to admit when he’s been given bogus info anyway) but because I’d seen the 538 dot com pollster ratings, my eyes kinda glazed over the list, and it hadn’t registered that Research 2000’s rep was henceforth in the toilet.

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
6:45 pm

josef nix,

Just a jab at Jay, the typical liberal. He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Just like Obama. But I think he hates America more than he hates conservatives.

Could be wrong on that though.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:47 pm

French Translation

You have been reported to l’Académie française for crimes against the French language…be forwarned, they take such things seriously… :-)

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
6:50 pm

Scout,

In that case I guess it depends on one’s viewpoint. I view the Constitution as a document that tells the federal government what it can do and the 10th amendment makes it unnecessary to spell out anything it can’t do. Our current President sees it quite differently. He views the Constitution as a specifically limiting document.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
6:51 pm

I also pointed out to Markos that Research 2000 polling has a significant Democratic-leaning house effect, something which is problematic for any pollster, and one which someone should arguably be especially sensitive toward when one runs a Democratic website. I have certainly posed plenty of questions to Rasmussen, whose polls have had similarly had a Republican-leaning house effect. 538.com

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
6:54 pm

Sinkwicz
Okay…he does have his biases and prejudices…but, then, so do we all…I don’t think he hates America, though…

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:01 pm

Uhh, Josef:

“Sinkwicz
Okay…he does have his biases and prejudices…but, then, so do we all…I don’t think he hates America, though…”

This subject is off topic obviously, so I probably shouldn’t have brought it up. But I believe I can find much more evidence in Obama’s background substantiating my claim than you could ever find in rebuttal.

Maybe Jay could address it sometime in his blog.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:01 pm

Conservatives appear to hate this America, ever since Obama got elected. And all they need in order to love it again is to get another Bush in the White House. Or a McCain. :roll:

professional skeptic

June 29th, 2010
7:05 pm

Scout
June 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

Scout thinks nothing of a company that commits acts of fraud and corruption, all in the pursuit of
profit. How typical of those on the ultra rightist fringe.

Jay

June 29th, 2010
7:06 pm

For the record, and for what it’s worth, I’m on the Kos site maybe once a month on average. It’s not the type of material I find useful for what I do here.

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:08 pm

Taxpayer:

“Conservatives appear to hate this America, ever since Obama got elected.”

No, we hate his policies which are designed to destroy this great country we love.

You’re welcome.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:12 pm

Nearly two years ago, an economic collapse forced Ireland to cut public spending and raise taxes, the type of austerity measures that financial markets are now pressing on most advanced industrial nations.

“When our public finance situation blew wide open, the dominant consideration was ensuring that there was international investor confidence in Ireland so we could continue to borrow,” said Alan Barrett, chief economist at the Economic and Social Research Institute of Ireland. “A lot of the argument was, ‘Let’s get this over with quickly.’ ”

Rather than being rewarded for its actions, though, Ireland is being penalized. Its downturn has certainly been sharper than if the government had spent more to keep people working. Lacking stimulus money, the Irish economy shrank 7.1 percent last year and remains in recession.

Joblessness in this country of 4.5 million is above 13 percent, and the ranks of the long-term unemployed — those out of work for a year or more — have more than doubled, to 5.3 percent.

Clearly what the Irish need is a Rasmussen Poll to make them feel better.

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
7:16 pm

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:17 pm

Sinkwicz

Oops…I thought you were saying Jay hates America…I was responding in re Jay…

JAY
Thanks for taking out that mistake for me…I can look a repetitious fool enough without it being accidental… :-)

F. Sinkwich

June 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

No, don’t think at all Jay hates the USA…bad wording in my part.

RW-(the original)

June 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

Well dang…now he has to take out my snarkasm about josef being repetitious, then he’ll have to take down these comments since they won’t make any sense . All I’ve got to say is whoever makes the top of page 2 enjoy while you can because you’re probably on your way back to the bottom of page 1.

/Or I could just say that josef is thanking Jay B just to bump up the comment count again.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:23 pm

No, we hate his policies which are designed to destroy this great country we love

Well, since none of them have fulfilled your desired design function, I’ll thank Obama. No need for you to welcome me though because you have earned no thanks.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:26 pm

Sinkwicz
Thanks for the clarification…

RW
Since when should you and I worry about whether it makes sense or not…WE know what we’re talking about…I think… :-)

getalife

June 29th, 2010
7:28 pm

kos is mad because they thought they had lincoln beat but President Clinton is still the big dawg in Arkanas.

@@

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

George Friedman has a good article re our ongoing involvement in Afghanistan (30 years), and for what? What strategic interest do they hold for the U.S.? We’re basically back to square one…negotiating with insurgents.

The 30-Year War in Afghanistan

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…Bush’s more modest approach was the right approach. He went in and dislodged Al Qaeda. In my opinion, we should’a left once that goal was accomplished.

Now about Iraq…Over the last 90 days, Iraqi and U.S. forces have eliminated more than 80 percent of the Islamic State of Iraq’s (ISI’s) top leadership…

These personnel losses are compounded by the fact that the al Qaeda-inspired jihadist group has been struggling financially and is reportedly having problems getting foreign fighters into the country. These setbacks will invariably complicate the ISI’s efforts to continue its campaign. While it is unlikely that the ISI’s propensity for violent attacks will wane, the group’s diminished leadership, operational capacity and logistics infrastructure make the militant organization’s future seem bleak.

Somebody needs to tell Obama that Afghanistan was NEVER the right war. Our troops shouldn’t be there JUST to prove HIS manhood. Thanks to pressure from the left, he’s going ahead with, at least, one campaign promise.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

I’m on the Kos site maybe once a month on average.

Not that anyone asked, but that’s about how often I pay similar homage to the Orange Satan. Generally because someone linked to it and I’m sufficiently curious to check it out. Prefer the Atrios/Digby/FDL axis of evil for my punditry fix.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:29 pm

Scout asked, Since the U.S. Constitution put limits on the federal government, cite something that it has no constitutional power to do?”

That’s easy; it has no constitutional right to do the job of the Supreme Court. Next question.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:30 pm

kos is mad because they thought they had lincoln beat

For a second there I thought I was reading a REALLY old post.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:33 pm

SFD

Thank G-d you said that! I did the same thing and thought it was just my obsession working overtime… :-)

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:34 pm

Jay, the typical liberal. He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Anyone else find this sentiment awfully weird in light of J-Nix’s post @ 5.17?

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
7:34 pm

Congress shall pass no bill of attainder or ex post facto law….yep…. there is a limit. Constitutionally cannot do.

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:35 pm

When discussing the constitution,

it is always prudent to have a wise latina around.

You can get them in Norcross.

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:36 pm

SFD

Not following that @ 7:34… ??

josef nix

June 29th, 2010
7:38 pm

jt

“You can get them in Norcross.”

But are they empathetic?

Joseph

June 29th, 2010
7:39 pm

J- kind of like the many times you say north Fulton is upper class white folk with absolutely no repercussions- most media currently is made up as you go along. Good work if you can get it I suppose.

theyeshaveit

June 29th, 2010
7:41 pm

jt, if I needed wise Latina around to discuss Constitutional Law, my first choice would be Sonia Sotomayor.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:42 pm

Not following that @ 7:34… ??

oy. If you’re not following it, nobody will, so I best ’splain.

You respond up at the top of this thread, to the business about Research 2000 being a crap polling firm by saying, perhaps in jest, “I read that figure on secessionist sentiment and raised an eybrow, too. I thought it was a bit low…”

Now, one who is a regular at these comments pages, does not typically think of you as a guy who speaks poorly of Southerners, right?

Yet Mr. Sinkwich says, first:

You believed that 43% number (percent of Georgia Republicans believed the state would be better off as an independent state than part of the US), Jay, because that’s your worldview as a flaming liberal.

Us dum-ass (especially southern) conservatives are stooooooopid, ya know.

and then:

He believes conservatives in general are stupid, but those from the south particularly so.

Just kind of weird/disconnected, is all. But maybe I’m the only one who thinks so. (Must be the vodka sauce.)

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:42 pm

weird

eerie. spooky.

Keep up the good fight!

June 29th, 2010
7:46 pm

jt…rather presumptuous to assume a wise latina would have anything to do with you