Civil authorities right to intervene in Catholic abuse inquiry

Detaining church leaders and seizing church documents is not a step that should ever be taken lightly. But angry protestations from the Vatican aside — Pope Benedict XVI called the action “surprising and deplorable” — officials in Belgium seem well within their rights to press their investigation into child abuse at the hands of Catholic priests and coverups by high church officials.

As the AP reports:

“On Thursday, scores of police officers seized documents, computers, DVDs and CDs at the Belgian archbishop’s residence in Mechlin, north of Brussels, and detained a dozen Belgian bishops who were meeting there. Also detained for nine hours and told to surrender his cell phone was the Vatican’s envoy to Belgium.

Using power tools, police also opened up a prelate’s crypt in Mechlin’s St. Rombout Cathedral looking for documents. Simultaneously, police carted off 500 sexual abuse case files against Belgian clergy from the office of Adriaenssens’ panel in Leuven, just east of Brussels…

“It has failed badly in its treatment of many of these cases,” (Rik Torfs, a canon law expert) said. “The church always found their fate less important than its own prestige. In that sense, today’s papal protests are unimpressive.”

The sad truth is that the Catholic Church has exhausted what would otherwise be a strong public presumption that it could handle such cases itself. In April, for example, Belgium’s longest-serving bishop, Roger Vangheluwe, stepped down after confessing to sexually abusing a young boy as a priest as well as when he was serving as archbishop. That kind of repeated behavior, without intervention from the church, has forced the hand of Belgian civil authorities. Depending on what the investigation discovers, authorities in other countries may begin to take similar action.

UPDATE: I should also point out that the U.S. Supreme Court Monday cleared the way for civil lawsuits against the church for its handling of the abuse cases. As The Washington Post reports:

“In declining to stop a lawsuit that accuses the Vatican of conspiring with U.S. church officials to cover up sex abuse, the court took a rare step toward bringing the Holy See into a U.S. courtroom.

The justices, without comment, declined the Vatican’s appeal of a lower-court ruling that said it could be sued in a U.S. court on certain grounds. The decision came in a lawsuit filed by a man who said he was sexually abused as a teenager in 1965 by a priest in Portland, Ore. His attorneys said the church moved the priest among different assignments to cover up the abuse.

The Vatican argued that its status as a foreign country exempts it from being sued in a U.S. court, a longtime position that has helped shield it from such lawsuits.”

165 comments Add your comment

arnold

June 29th, 2010
7:03 am

Many seem to hold religion above the law. I don’t. Too much has happened in the name of religion. Too much death, sexual abuse, etc. I also think the guilty should be prosecuted and punished.

ByteMe

June 29th, 2010
7:05 am

Back on topic… this is only a “scandal” if you think that the Vatican is really a country and churches are “diplomatic missions” that fall under the rules of diplomatic immunity. Otherwise, it’s just another BP awash in oily stuff trying to hide the truth from everyone else.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:06 am

To Hell with Obama and his smartass sidekick, Bite me

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:09 am

The RCC has ben going downhill since the death ofPope Pius XII..I even like the name Pius..Here’s looking down on you.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:12 am

“The sad truth is that the Catholic Church has exhausted what would otherwise be a strong public presumption that it could handle such cases itself”

Jay, you just said a mouthfull. The Catholic church has been covering up the criminal acts of its priests for decades – just because it announced a half-hearted mea culpa to Ireland in March doesn’t mean that the people are ready to forgive – nor the legal authorities to forget.

In his papal letter to the church in Ireland, the pope said “I asked the bishops of Ireland, “to establish the truth of what happened in the past, to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent it from occurring again, to ensure that the principles of justice are fully respected, and above all, to bring healing to the victims and to all those affected by these egregious crimes” … now, we know – he has no more interest in seeking actual JUSTICE than have an interest in watching Steven Segal movies … he just wants to continue the hide-and-obfuscate procedures of the past.

shame. shame on the church for thinking it is above the law.

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:13 am

“That kind of repeated behavior, without intervention from the church, has forced the hand ___________”

I don’t know about Belgium but here in the States, the church should intervene on behalf of young boys everywhere being molested by young female school teachers employed by the state.

Its an epidemic.

jt

June 29th, 2010
7:14 am

Although I am torn by IF it is REALLY damaging.

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
7:15 am

The pro-crime, anti-police, “let the market and everybody else police themselves”, Party of No Responsibility, Talibaptist, Republinutjob types must have mixed feelings about these pedophiles.

On the one hand they can relate. And likely feel sorry for their “Christian” brothers who just happen to be perverts. Like so many of them and their own church leaders and elected and political heroes.

http://911review.org/Alex/Republican_Pedophiles.html

On the other hand, the xenophobes probably feel the Papists got it coming. And will spit out their red herring breakfast on cue.

Good times in Jeebusville.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:15 am

Too much has happened in the name of religion.

And to think, we’ve hardly scratched the surface.

joe matarotz

June 29th, 2010
7:16 am

Have you ever noticed how some of the greatest atrocities have been committed in the name of religion? Have you ever noticed that some of the biggest dirtbags you’ll ever meet wear their religion on their sleeve? Why is that?

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:16 am

After court and if guilt is determined these catholicking perverts should have their asses tossed strait into prisons the “general population”.

Pedophilia is one thing but pedophilia in the Christ name is just asking for it…

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:16 am

Taxes have not been lowered by Hussein X, and it is not whining to demand government steal less from the producers, the whiners I see lateley are the parasitic government employees moaning over the cuts. I am enjoying the hell out of government sector layoffs..government payrolls have been uber bloated for years.

But I was being facetious calling Biden a smartass, because it is well known the man is a complete dumbass. Stand up and take a bow, you paraplegic , you!

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:17 am

As bits of this scandal continue to dribble out (will it ever end?), those of us who’ve been following it not all that closely will continue to be amazed at some of what’s revealed. This Belgian bishops’ panel, for instance–investigating for 12 years? “its case load in its first 10 years of existence never exceeded 30?” wha?

Depending on what the investigation discovers, authorities in other countries may begin to take similar action.

I suspect few if any will dispute Jay’s implicit conclusion that he’s fine with that.

from the linked story:

police also opened up a prelate’s crypt in Mechlin’s St. Rombout Cathedral

I’ll admit to having no clue as to what a “prelate’s crypt” actually looks like, but something tells me I’d be disappointed.

Bud Wiser

June 29th, 2010
7:18 am

Always on the cutting edge of what is really important, eh Bookman?

No G-20.

No Afghanistan.

No “Betray-Us”.

Well, that fits in well with Obozo’s “leadership” and “economic recovery” so far that consists of:

A Gulf filling with oil, so let’s ban all drilling;

It is OUR job to protect Arizona, and if they are trying to do it themselves, then let’s sue them;

No jobs;

New home sales collapsing (again);

Spend, spend, spend money we do not have;

Tax, tax, tax, because it has been proven historically that it is exactly the wrong thing to do during an economic recession;

Did I say tax, tax, tax?

What an idiot, a moron, a completely incapable and incompetent sap, a person so overwhelmed by the job that he has made himself into some Al Jolson-like clown. It kind of makes one wonder just what a failed-turned-political ‘education’ facility Harvard has become.

November 10.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:18 am

Good morning to all y’all. I hope it will be a great for you!

Posted this the other day, it’s more appropriate here…

Don’t piss of the Sister, y’all…

http://punditkitchen.com/2010/06/27/political-pictures-dirty-sister-mary-elizabeth/

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:20 am

“I am enjoying the hell out of government sector layoffs.”

Absolutely!! Same here…give more of them the pink slip. Send em packing. Fire some asses. Cull-out the DeadWood. Weed out the weaklings. More…we need more of these lazy, shiftless, no good, govt employees fired.

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:22 am

Their will be no recovery anytime soon. Big Business has no idea what OBlunder is gonna do so they appear to not be hiring. Homes sales still crashing and crashing…

Ladies and Gentlemen the other shoe is about to drop.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:23 am

OGK – 7:16 – there’s bad karma, then there’s the kind of karma that, no matter HOW many lives you live, you’re never gonna get rid of the stink …

Jay

June 29th, 2010
7:24 am

I just posted this update above:

In addition, the U.S. Supreme Court Monday cleared the way for civil lawsuits against the church for its handling of the abuse cases. As The Washington Post reports:
“In declining to stop a lawsuit that accuses the Vatican of conspiring with U.S. church officials to cover up sex abuse, the court took a rare step toward bringing the Holy See into a U.S. courtroom.

The justices, without comment, declined the Vatican’s appeal of a lower-court ruling that said it could be sued in a U.S. court on certain grounds. The decision came in a lawsuit filed by a man who said he was sexually abused as a teenager in 1965 by a priest in Portland, Ore. His attorneys said the church moved the priest among different assignments to cover up the abuse.

The Vatican argued that its status as a foreign country exempts it from being sued in a U.S. court, a longtime position that has helped shield it from such lawsuits.”

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:24 am

..and a child will lead them…right down the toilet. Could this be the end of time for the Catholic Church?

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:25 am

1000 years of historical data is butt a micro *poot* over the anals of time and not worth wrecking peoples lives and world economies over so Jerkoffs like The Goron can get rich.

Climate change is a farce. No more no less.

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
7:26 am

“Could this be the end of time for the Catholic Church?”

I would say no, it isn’t…but with a little luck it might be the end of the Catholic Church as we currently know it. I can’t see that church going away…but changing? Maybe. But even that, if it happens, won’t happen fast.

T-Town

June 29th, 2010
7:26 am

This is just one of the reasons I went from a stanch Catholic to a non-practicing Catholic. This does not shake my believes, just the church that provides them to me. You can fool some of the people some of the time…….

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:28 am

Outhouse,

How long can you tread water? :)

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:28 am

and it is not whining to demand government steal less from the producers

The day that you look beyond your little echo chamber, and at the world at large and how civilized nations accomplish challenges similar to ours, and calibrate your commentary accordingly, is the day when your complaints will rise above the level of “whining.”

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:29 am

Ya…I dont get these catholics priest molesting kids, them tossing water on people and walking around with the air freshener thing swinging it around. I guess the congregation must be really stinky.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:30 am

Doggone,
The Church was predicting an Anti-Christ, but it will be the children that brings them down…and sooner than later, I think.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:30 am

The vatican is like any bloated organization. Regardless how many may hate Pope Bennie, I doubt anyone could say pope JP2 would have knowingly overlooked a pedo in his midst..but it never gets that high because the vatican , like any government, is actually administered by useless beureaucrats..I would propose we exterminate all beureaucrats..but I would have to file my idea in triplicate with the office of cool ideas, and it would be lost in red tape for years.

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:30 am

Tread water? No way. Sean Penn has a boat and when he comes to rescue us one and all Im getting a seat.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:30 am

Jay – 7:24 – pretty amazing considering how packed the court is with Catholics – Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Sotomayer, Kennedy, Scalia …

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
7:32 am

One little town in California did the right thing and pulled the plug. No more town. We need to do that with at least half of Georgia’s counties. Then, to balance the remaining budget, we need to eliminate the tax exempt status of the state’s millions of churches. After all, why should everyone else get stuck with the burden of paying for all those scandalous investigations.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:32 am

“I doubt anyone could say pope JP2 would have knowingly overlooked a pedo in his midst”

um … you do realize that these allegations aren’t new – that they also occured (and were systematically covered up) during JPII’s tenure …

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
7:32 am

“but it will be the children that brings them down…and sooner than later, I think”

Yes, I agree. I could never be a Catholic for three reasons: they won’t ordain women priests, they won’t allow married priests, and I think of the dusty figure of Christ walking the roads and paths of his world…and I see the opulent, pampered figure of the Pope and it makes me SICK.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:33 am

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:30 am

OMG!!! The Inquisition is back!!!

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:33 am

“we need to eliminate the tax exempt status of the state’s millions of churches”

oh, yeah … I can hear the poutrage as that makes its way through the ways and means committee … sooooooooo never gonna happen …

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:35 am

Doggone,
Having been born into families the were Catholic (fater’s side) and Babtist (Mom’s side) is it any wonder I’m a Pagan?

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:35 am

Normal … did you say inquisition???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oppHeMlaLVM

(posting blind, so I hope this works)

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:35 am

stands..

I don’t give a damn about other countries..or how they do things. Same goes for people, actually. I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:35 am

“The Pope”. LOL…they worship him like he is some kinda Grand Poobah or something.

Just never cared for those guys. Nor the Cardinal, Bishops and all the other nonesense. Altho the movie Heaven Help Us was a entertaining flick and a good look at some catholic church abuses.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 29th, 2010
7:37 am

USinUK, as usual, you missed the entire point of the post.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 29th, 2010
7:38 am

Priests are messing with little boys all around the world and some GA cops just arrested a guy that wouldn’t stop messing with three horses while they were trying to arrest him for it. And they put the Rev. Jim Bob Buice in prison just for being found nekkid in the bushes with some boy.

What kind of fambly values is that?

I give up. Have a good day everybody.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:38 am

OGK – 7:35 – yeah, you say that … but we all know you want the hat …

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:41 am

Jay – 7:24 – pretty amazing considering how packed the court is with Catholics – Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Sotomayer, Kennedy, Scalia …

Based on the attitudes of actual Catholics I know and love, I’d say it’s more like “pretty much expected, considering how packed the court is…”

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:42 am

SPQR – your point was your usual anti-gummint point (you are nothing if not consistent) – that bureaucracy enabled the situation to continue

however, to say that JPII didn’t know anything about what was going on because of the layers in the RC church is ludicrous on its face

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
7:42 am

UK…I would like to have one of those High Priest Catholic Hats.
Would be fun to “descecrate it” then walk into the catholic church wearing the damn thing. Or perhaps wear it the movies…they have their cellphones and I have my Big Hat!!

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:43 am

I don’t give a damn about other countries..or how they do things

Well of course you don’t! because you don’t want to learn anything, you don’t want anything in this country to actually improve. You just want to whine, because it’s emotionally satisfying.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:44 am

OGK – “Or perhaps wear it the movies…they have their cellphones and I have my Big Hat!!”

:lol:

I’m with ya!

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
7:45 am

“Have you ever noticed that some of the biggest dirtbags you’ll ever meet wear their religion on their sleeve?”

Why yes I have.

LOL.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:46 am

USinUK,
Gotta wait ’til I get home…Workee no likee you tube-e :D

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:47 am

I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.

There’s your sign…

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
7:48 am

“There’s your sign…”

And it’s sad…but they say confession is the first step to recovery, so maybe there’s hope after all.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:51 am

Normal – 7:46 – sorry … as I know your pain, I can commiserate (it was Mel Brooks singing The Inquisition from History of the World)

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:52 am

Doggone – 7:48 – unfortunately, that wasn’t so much confession as bragging …

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:52 am

> I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.

There’s your sign…

Eh. I take it as a given that some in here are sociopaths.

see also:
http://www.wbur.org/npr/127888976

the orbital cortex puts a brake on another part of the brain called the amygdala, which is involved with aggression and appetites. But in some people, there’s an imbalance — the orbital cortex isn’t doing its job — perhaps because the person had a brain injury or was born that way.

“What’s left? What takes over?” [James Fallon] asks. “The area of the brain that drives your id-type behaviors, which is rage, violence, eating, sex, drinking.”

The emphasis is on the “rage,” here.

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
7:55 am

“that wasn’t so much confession as bragging …”

Oh sure…but even bragging is a form of confession, even if the braggart can’t see it that way.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:56 am

Somehow I doubt you could hit the side of a barn, even if you were standing inside of it…

Pope Frank

June 29th, 2010
7:56 am

“It’s not easy having a good time
Even smiling makes my face ache
And Rocky is behaving just the way Eddie did
Perhaps I made a mistake in splitting his brain
between the two of them…”

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
7:56 am

Hussein X and his buttbuddy paul “print 400 trillion and use it” krugman won’t rest until the federal government is 99.9999% of GDP.

Thanks for proving my point.

(if you could read for comprehension you’d know that Krugman and the Administration not only aren’t on the same page, they’re not even reading from the same book.)

Normal

June 29th, 2010
7:57 am

USinUK & Doggone,

That’s where President Clinton went wrong…he should have bragged… ;)

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:57 am

“I take it as a given that some in here are sociopaths”

some definitely are … in this situation, I think it’s more of a matter of someone being very young (my guesstimate is early- to mid-twenties – and stupid.

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
7:58 am

“he should have bragged”

I’m actually inclined to agree with that!

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
7:59 am

Normal – 7:57 – about Monica? ew. I met the guy who knocked her up and all I could think was “there isn’t enough penicillin on the planet” …

Normal

June 29th, 2010
8:05 am

USinUK,
I’ve always maintained that it wasn’t about Monica per se, but about the fack that a 53 year old man got a BJ from a twenty something year old girl…doesn’t happen often…yeah, Ida bragged…called a news conference, even. (he says in his best Snaggletooth imitation…)

Normal

June 29th, 2010
8:05 am

Fack? GAWD, I wish I could type!!!!

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
8:06 am

krugman simply says [President Obama] isn;t spending fast ENOUGH

Well the magnitude of spending is, as the Vice President would put it, a big f—ing deal.

It’s not “simply” anything.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
8:07 am

…or perhaps “fack” was a Freudian slip…

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
8:07 am

Perhaps Biden will tell gulf State residents they are all a bunch of smart-asses and if they had been true Americans, paying more taxes, then this wouldve already been cleaned up.

Vice president to assess oil spill efforts in Gulf area
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/29/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
8:08 am

Normal – ” the fack that a 53 year old man got a BJ from a twenty something year old girl…doesn’t happen often”

:lol:

you funny man. you make joke.

power and $$$ – 2 of the biggest reasons on the planet why middle-age men are able to wrangle young wimmen …

Peadawg

June 29th, 2010
8:09 am

USinUK and Normal…..and y’all called me out for talking about the sHIM up in South Carolina a couple of weeks ago(I forgot her name).

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
8:10 am

Normal – the best part of that whole “episode” was – to me – when some Congressmen interview Lewinsky and tried to get her to be the “exploited innocent.” A role she refused to take, and I think more than one of those supposedly “sophisticated” gentlemen were shocked that she was proud of her role.

Yeah, it was something that a 53 year old man got a BJ from a 20-something woman, but then how many 20-something women can say the gave a BJ to a PRESIDENT?

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
8:11 am

We need more stimuli!

Granny Godzilla

June 29th, 2010
8:12 am

The civil authorities are decades late.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
8:13 am

Peadawg – 8:09 – this isn’t about looks … this is about behavior …

Peadawg

June 29th, 2010
8:14 am

Same difference.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
8:16 am

Peadawg – 8:14 – ah. no. world of difference. you can’t do much about what you look like, but you can choose to not act like a common trollop.

Peadawg

June 29th, 2010
8:17 am

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2010
8:19 am

2 of the biggest reasons on the planet why middle-age men are able to wrangle young wimmen …

if 53 is “middle age” then I expect ol’ Billy-Jeff to kick off at 106.

later, good folks. (You sociopaths n’ all.)

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
8:21 am

“if 53 is “middle age” then I expect ol’ Billy-Jeff to kick off at 106.”

well, according to Henry Hyde, that’s still YOUTHFUL

Bud Wiser

June 29th, 2010
8:38 am

Eliminate tax exempt status for church holdings and properties.

professional skeptic

June 29th, 2010
8:38 am

“I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.”

Exactly why I will never vote for another Republican as long as I’m alive. This is what the core rightists believe down to the bottom-most depths of their angry, embittered, hollow souls– yet to win elections they have to brainwash enough of the masses with lies, claiming to be the party of life and family values and high morals.

Sadly, the ruse and the lies are allowed to persist generation after generation.

david wayne osedach

June 29th, 2010
8:39 am

Child abuse is child abuse and it is highly illegal. It falls under local jurisdiction.

Stuart Smalley

June 29th, 2010
8:41 am

“I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.”

Truth be told I would venture to guess the majority of individuals feel this way. Most are just unwilling to admit it. And thats ok. Because Im good enough and smart enough and dog gone it, people like me.

electrician

June 29th, 2010
8:42 am

professional skeptic…those beliefs are not confined to republicans,that fact always gets lost on this blog.

Stuart Smalley

June 29th, 2010
8:50 am

Well…uh…I would take the $100,000 and give it to the homeless person and thats…ok. Because Im good enough and smart enough and dog gone it, people like me.

Normal

June 29th, 2010
8:51 am

USinUk,

if 53 is “middle age” then I expect ol’ Billy-Jeff to kick off at 106.

I’ve always dreamed about being shot dead by a jealous husband at the age of 95…

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
8:52 am

The guys who tell everybody how much money they have, generally don’t have two nickles to rub together.

And ANYBODY who is sophomoric enough to think for a second that that logical fallacy of false dilemma at 8:46 means ANYTHING of substance is in need of serious remedial education…

Normal

June 29th, 2010
8:53 am

“I value money more than I value other people. Always have, always will.”

The more I think about that sentence, the more I realize that it has become the “American Mantra” and that’s just plain sad.

TaxPayer

June 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Ah yes, the homeless person scenario. SPQR hath revealed his former self.

Gordon Gecko

June 29th, 2010
8:56 am

“Greed, for lack of a better term ladies and gentlemen, is good”.

professional skeptic

June 29th, 2010
8:57 am

As always, I’m open to evidence to the contrary if you disagree. You have a lot of work cut out for you, though, if your goal is to overturn the conclusions I’ve drawn after 12 years of living in this state and watching the rightists at work.

Speaking of work, it’s about that time. Have a good day, everyone. When I pop on at lunch, I wonder how many more ultra rightists will have come out of the closet finally admitting their hatred and disdain for the rest of humanity.

TM

June 29th, 2010
8:58 am

Didn’t Italy convict a bunch of our CIA agents a while back for doing something to stop terrorism? I guess we now will get some payback.

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
8:58 am

“The more I think about that sentence, the more I realize that it has become the “American Mantra” and that’s just plain sad.”

Not “has become” but “has been” – and it has been for a long time. Ever since the Industrial Revolution. It’s not a new phenomenon by any means, it just cycles in and out of our “collective” conscious and this happens to be one of the “in” times.

Church History

June 29th, 2010
8:59 am

“The sad truth is that the Catholic Church has exhausted what would otherwise be a strong public presumption that it could handle such cases itself” Jay, you just said a mouthfull. The Catholic church has been covering up the criminal acts of its priests for decade…

Decades? Voltaire in the 1730s wrote about being buggered by the Jesuits when he was a school boy. It’s probably not an exaggeration to suggest that the Catholic Church has been a bastion of homosexuality and pedophilia ever since it required priests to be “celibate.” The Second Lateran Council, in 1139, prohibited the clergy to marry, mainly for legal and inheritance reasons — not for any theology. The Apostles were married men, yet somehow the wise old men in Rome know better.

Eli Jones

June 29th, 2010
8:59 am

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — Thomas Jefferson

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
9:00 am

“…finally admitting their hatred and disdain for the rest of humanity.”

I think its certain segments of humanity…ie UN officials etc.

ken R

June 29th, 2010
9:00 am

I agree with Fox News, Pedofiles should go to jail for 25 years. Religious leaders are no different.

AmVet

June 29th, 2010
9:02 am

No, you clearly do not understand logic. Nor your fallacies therein. Such as black and white thinking and false dilemmas, choices and opposites. There are many others you’ve probably never heard of either.

But not that it is surprising, given that these are subjects covered in great detail in the reviled liberal brainwashing centers of education and academia.

OK, off to be a good little capitalist and help pay for the occupations and more welfare for the wealthy…

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2010
9:03 am

“The Apostles were married men, yet somehow the wise old men in Rome know better”

Some of that attitude comes from the writings of Paul, though. And based on Jesus himself not having been married.

Outhouse GoKart

June 29th, 2010
9:04 am

Victims of pedophilia live a lifetime of mental anguish, torture, shame etc and are never released from same.

The convicted pedophile should be released only to the prisons “general population” and never returned to society.

USinUK

June 29th, 2010
9:05 am

Normal – “I’ve always dreamed about being shot dead by a jealous husband at the age of 95…”

welp, you’re debonair and suave enough … it just might happen!! :-)