Here’s the bottom line – literally – in gay/military debate
The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder (frank language warning!) looks into the info nugget that General McChrystal voted for Obama. Citing several McChyrstal staff members, he reports that the general “was a hard core operator, aggressive as hell, a JSOC ninja — but he was also a social liberal who tolerated, nay, welcomed gay people into his inner circle, who disdained Fox News, and who grew increasingly frustrated with his reputation as Dick Cheney’s hired assassin.”
Ambinder says he’s not surprised. Within the special forces community, he says, people don’t seem to care much about sexual orientation:
“As one former member of a special missions unit put it to me recently, “It’s really about competence. If you’re competent, it doesn’t matter who you are.” And then, switching instantly from an analytical posture to a machismo mode, he said, “If a guy saves my ass, he sure as hell can look at it.”
That’s the bottom line.
So to speak.
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ME, Me, me
June 24th, 2010
5:41 pm
1st!!
Beavis and Butthead
June 24th, 2010
5:51 pm
heh heh, heh heh, heh heh heh. uhhhhh, He said “ass”, heh heh, heh heh.
Yeah, “ass”, heh heh. Special Forces are cool.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 24th, 2010
5:53 pm
Now they want to go gay, heh-
That the American military thinks the Obama team is not up to the job of defeating Al Qaeda and winning a war which it is even terrified of calling by name. That those on the front line in a life-and-death struggle with a serious enemy think the President a wimp, the Vice President a blowhard, the national security adviser a “clown,” Ambassador Richard Holbrooke a man consumed by the need for relevance, and that the French act like…well…the French.
That’s what I’m saying…
Our little team of surrender monkeys.
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
5:56 pm
disdained Fox News
good man
The other bottom line
June 24th, 2010
6:01 pm
If you look at many of those who are against gays in the military, I’d bet even their own wives don’t enjoy looking at their asses.
I’d bet their boyfriends don’t either.
Thank you, thank you, don’t forget to tip your waiter.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 24th, 2010
6:02 pm
Only a president as shallow and easily rattled as Obama and an equally glib press corps could treat a Rolling Stone interview like the Cuban Missile Crisis.-Nuemayr, AmSpec
Yes, indeed.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 24th, 2010
6:06 pm
Well, I got nothing against gays. Except when they try and get in the military. I mean, suppose you’re in the barracks and you drop off to sleep. Some gay comes along. Next thing you know, you wake up gay! We can’t have that.
No offense to josef or anybody like that. As long as they don’t try to get in the military or get married, I got nothing against them. Provided they keep to theirself. I mean, you wouldn’t want somebody like that to show up at church or your trailer.
I reckon you can see right away I ain’t bigoted the way mike says I am. It’s just that I think military people ought to be Manly Men.
Have a good night everybody.
@@
June 24th, 2010
6:11 pm
Dick Cheney had an assassin???? That’s my kinda man.
Here’s my hit list:
Ahmadenijad and Karzai. Make it quick and painless…I’m not into the sufferin’.
———————————————–
So, ‘ya think Obama fired McChrystal ’cause he wanted DADT repealed? Maybe McChrystal, himself was….as josef says….(wink, wink) gay? You know about these things, don’tcha jay?
All my best to General McChrystal–may he live long and prosper.
SouthGaDawg
June 24th, 2010
6:12 pm
Wow. One quote proves your point.
And you’ll also find other SpecOp guys who say that it does matter if other operators are gay.
There is no “one voice” for how anyone in SpecOps or the Military as a whole feels about gays in the military.
President Hussein
June 24th, 2010
6:16 pm
“if he saves my ass, he can sure as look at it”……
He he he, I’m sure he sure as wants to do more than just
look at it
Lord Help Us
June 24th, 2010
6:16 pm
And if a lady saves his ass…well that’s just a bonus…
President Hussein
June 24th, 2010
6:20 pm
Also gives a whole new meaning to “covering my backside”….
The other bottom line
June 24th, 2010
6:20 pm
Anybody else notice that the word assassin has the word ass twice followed by the word in?
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
6:20 pm
When the dust is being kicked up by 7.62 rounds coming from different directions and mortar rounds exploding, I wholeheartedly believe the last thing on a soldier’s/Marine’s mind is whether or not the person taking the same fire next to him is gay.
Curious Observer
June 24th, 2010
6:23 pm
It’s not the McCrystals or others like him I’m concerned about. It’s those old-line enlisted people and some older officers who’ve devoted a military career to instilling anti-gay sentiment in recruits and new people. Any Marine veteran can tell you about the stern lectures about the consequences of gay behavior and the anti-gay jokes and quips. I doubt that younger people care much, one way or the other. It’s those older veterans people need to talk to and watch out for about DADT. eliminating DADT
AmVet
June 24th, 2010
6:25 pm
What a revolting thought. Anybody, much less a career military man being DickHead’s b!tch.
Too bad there was always so much Secret Service around that slimy POS.
Given the chance, I would presume McChrystal and a bunch of other guys would have loved to have backhanded that smirk off of that little coward’s face. Then waterboarded that “I had priorities other than military service” screw up.
The only assassinations those useless neo-cons were good at were the verbal, Swift Boating kind.
The service-averse con chickenhawks were and are wrong about virtually everything military. Including DADT. Why would anybody possibly believe they have a clue now?
They don’t.
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
6:36 pm
Okay, I’m here…let ‘er rip!
First the article…pretty good. Of course, most of us gay folks already knew about McChrystal…it was hard to not bring this up during the discussion of his dismissal. But, even when your friend steps out of line…
And do I think this played into the President’s decision…I’m not sure how much, but it was certainly there since McChrystal has questioned the White House commitment to repeal of DADT…
BTW just got off the phone with Older Boy calling to wish us a happy a belated Father’s Day…told him about this one here…so, Beau, my boy, if you’re playing fly on the wall…I love you, Son, and we are very proud of you,,,
Keep up the good fight!
June 24th, 2010
6:39 pm
Now I get the plan… McChrystal is going undercover to take on the real threat to America — Faux News! We’ll see how that hopey changey things works for Sarah when he puts up a map with some targets on it.
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
6:39 pm
hehehe:
Get short, timely messages from Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Twitter:
DAY 1
In Paris with my Kabul posse — Bluto, Otter, Boon, Pinto, Flounder. Plus some newbie. Guys call him Scribbles.
∗
Suite’s getting pretty crowded. Good thing I sleep standing up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/opinion/24collins.html?hp
@@
June 24th, 2010
6:40 pm
so, Beau, my boy, if you’re playing fly on the wall…I love you, Son, and we are very proud of you,,,
Aawwwhhhhhh, josef…..
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
6:48 pm
Brawling parents interrupted a Southern California kindergarten graduation ceremony. School officials placed Puesta del Sol Elementary in desert Victorville on lockdown Wednesday morning after a fight broke out
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/06/24/national/a080722D12.DTL#ixzz0roUzJtZe
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
6:50 pm
other bottom line
“Thank you, thank you, don’t forget to tip your waiter.”
Yep. And thanks for the post…
@@
Oh, you know what I think…but sssshhhh.
Now, if Ima Gonna really wants to pull a coup, put McChrystal in charge of overseeing the implementation of the repeal of DADT…everybody would be happy and gay then…
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
6:53 pm
Finn–
@ 6:39
Sounds like somebody I wouldn’t mind sharing a beer with…
jconservative
June 24th, 2010
6:57 pm
The problem most people have with gays openly in the military and having “marriages” is that the next thing they will want to do is pay taxes like regular people. And a lot of people do not wants gays paying taxes. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
@@
June 24th, 2010
6:58 pm
If Obama’s goal is to confuse the hell out of everybody, he’s doing a heckuva job.
Leading Republican politicians and the former American secretary of state Henry Kissinger have called on the president to drop a July 2011 deadline to begin withdrawing US troops, saying that it undermines the effort to defeat the Taliban.
Voices on the Democratic party’s left want withdrawal to begin immediately, saying the war cannot be won.
But today, Obama said he intended to stick with the strategy and timetable agreed last year, while indicating that US troops could remain in Afghanistan in significant numbers well after the withdrawal is due to start next summer.
“We did not say, starting in July 2011, suddenly there will be no troops from the United States or allied countries in Afghanistan,” Obama said at a press conference with the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, who sidestepped a question about whether, in light of the Soviet Union’s defeat in Afghanistan, a foreign army can expect to win a war in Afghanistan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/24/us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-strategy
WTH is wrong with that man??????
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
7:02 pm
jcon @ 6:57
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:04 pm
Finn
@ 6:48
It’s hot in that part of California this time of year and people get edgy…
jconservative
My conservative GOP brother in law has come out strongly in favor of gay marriage, “h3ll y’all had it too good long enough, Time y’all share in the misery, too!”
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
7:05 pm
Personally, I think the military will be the first to socially integrate gays into their ranks just as the military was far ahead of our society in racial integration.
boots
June 24th, 2010
7:07 pm
It is George Bush’s fault. Give Comrade Obama six more years and another $3 trillion, and he will save the planet. Meanwhile, throw in a few thousand for Gore and let him have a few prostitutes and let Rahm bride and threaten our country in to a healthy state.
Del
June 24th, 2010
7:07 pm
Jay, please you haven’t made the case that SOCOM or the military generally speaking supports DADT repeal. Because there just isn’t that support up and down the ranks. It’s a good law that keeps sexual orientation out of the equation where it should be kept and that’s the bottom line.
Sounds queer
June 24th, 2010
7:08 pm
Sounds queer.
Scout
June 24th, 2010
7:09 pm
Thanks for the intell. Jay:
I always wondered why the Army Special Forces were the first to wear those little beret thingies.
Gee, I hope the Rangers don’t go soft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH4-tOqLH94
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:11 pm
The way this administration operates, Obama may give up the deadline in exchange for extended unemployment benefits.
Congress Fails to Pass an Extension of Jobless Benefits
Seriously!
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
7:13 pm
19 reasons why God torched Jesus (starting at number 7)
7) One word: S’mores.
Two more: Insurance money. God has been eyeing the new Cadillac CTS Coupe. In this economy? You do what need to do.
10) Word has it the Hustler Hollywood sign sitting atop the adult bookstore across the street from the torched Touchdown Jesus was left unscathed, thus proving (once again) that God really does like porn. And irony. Or just needs a new contact lens prescription.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/06/18/notes061810.DTL#ixzz0robBu89c
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:13 pm
SoCo
That’s why when he cashiered McChrystal I said I hope he is taking his plays from Truman’s book…
Del
With all due respect, nope. Not from what my boy tells me, and I’ll take his word for it since that’s where he is…i agree sexual orientation should be kept out of the equation. So get rid of DADT which puts it there…
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:14 pm
Scout
‘Bout time you get your tail in here…and you better be nice or I’ll tell ‘em about a certain tattoo!
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
7:15 pm
Touchdown Jesus
LOL
Scout
June 24th, 2010
7:17 pm
josef:
Themper Fi and Ooooo Wah !
Del
June 24th, 2010
7:18 pm
josef,
I understand your feelings on the subject, however, to quote my dear deceased momma, in many cases it’s just best to let sleeping dogs lie. This is one of them.
BADA BING
June 24th, 2010
7:19 pm
What do you call a lesbian in fatigues?………Militia Etheridge
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:20 pm
Whoa!!!!
Blast at Greek police ministry kills top aide
“It was a wrapped package that exploded in the aide’s hands after he apparently picked it up and tried to open it,” police spokesman Thanassis Kokkalakis told Reuters. “We heard a big bang, there was a lot of smoke and damage.”
There was no warning and no reports of other injuries.
Since suffering its worst riots in decades in 2008, Greece has been rocked by a series of bomb attacks for which leftist militants have claimed responsibility. Earlier this year, police arrested six suspected members of the country’s most violent militant group, Revolutionary Struggle.
The victim of Thursday’s blast, George Vassilakis, was adjutant to the minister and the father to two children.
“I lost a valuable and dear colleague,” an emotional Chrysohoidis told reporters outside the ministry. He was in the building at the time of the explosion at 8.15 p.m. (1715 GMT), but escaped injury.
In early May, three people including a pregnant woman were killed when people marching in an anti-austerity protest fire-bombed an Athens bank. In March, a 15-year old boy was killed and his mother and sister injured after a bomb exploded outside a building in the capital.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N5FM20100624
Scout
June 24th, 2010
7:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es1ACmdpoUA
BADA BING
June 24th, 2010
7:21 pm
Are we going to have to change the name of’ Special Forces’ to ‘Fabulous Forces’?
Dusty
June 24th, 2010
7:24 pm
Wel, I’ll be an ol’ fuddy duddy but some of the language here is more suitable to Hustler Magzine than a supposedly “family newsppaer” I do believe it is possible to have a discussion without every low down anatomical name thrown in.
I see Bookman sets a low scale. I guess it is supposedly manly to speak like you grew up on the back side of a junk yard. Yeah, low down dirty.
OK, back to your literary pursuits. Nice note from your son, Josef. Our military make us proud whether we make them proud or not. Our fine sons and daughters bring us great happiness.
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:25 pm
Del
If it’s best to let sleeping dogs lie, the quit kicking them (out)…
Scout–
Thop it! I’ll shlap you thilly!
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:29 pm
And another WHOOAAAA!!!
Both Washington and Jerusalem withheld public exposure of this US-Israeli aerial exercise, dubbed Juniper Stallion 2010. President Barack Obama ordered all US missile interceptors in the Middle East to go on war alert in the second week of June, including batteries aboard US Sixth Fleet vessels on the Mediterranean and the US Fifth Fleet in the Persian Gulf.
It was decided at the White House to stage the Juniper Stallion exercise only eight months after Juniper Cobra 10, the biggest joint war maneuver the US and Israel had ever conducted against missile attack, after receiving new intelligence that Iran, Syria and Hizballah had almost doubled their operational armory of medium-range missiles.
Switching over to a tough line, US defense secretary Robert Gates warned a Senate panel on June 18 that Iran could fire “scores or hundreds” of short- and medium-range missiles against Europe – in salvoes rather than one or two at a time.
Four days later, Gates told a Fox interviewer: “I don’t think we’re prepared to even talk about containing a nuclear Iran. I think… our view still is we do not accept the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons.” Asked whether a military strike was preferable, he said all options remain on the table although some time is left for working on problem.”
http://www.debka.com/article/8866/
JUNIPER STALLION!!??!!
That sounds kinda gay.
LaShondra
June 24th, 2010
7:30 pm
Why is it that the libs still fantasize about assinating people? No one called the guy out. Bookman is fine with it.
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:32 pm
Juniper=Green
Would that be Green, as in environmentally friendly or Green, as in Green to Go.
Maybe Greenhorn Stallion?
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:37 pm
@@
Been tellin’ ya, that deal is long worked out…
And the Israeli Air Force has LOTS of gay and lesbian top guns…and guess what, they get the same “spousal leave” as others…
Spousal leave?
Under Orthodox Law a man must have sex with his wife at least once a year and a special leave is granted for this!
And for you women…under Orthodox law, a woman can refuse her husband, but he can’t refuse her!
Scout
June 24th, 2010
7:43 pm
BADA BING :
“Fairy Forces” !
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:43 pm
ONCE A YEAR!!??!!
No wonder everybody thinks Jewish people are stingy.
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:45 pm
Okay, Scout…what’s that about a pink flamingo in a camouflage tutu on the right cheek?
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
7:47 pm
@@
That’s required. Remember she’s ’sposed to get it any time she wants it…no headaches tonight dear for po’ ole Haymie!
Jay
June 24th, 2010
7:49 pm
Del, I didn’t think or even imagine I had made such a case.
@@
June 24th, 2010
7:58 pm
Looks like Obama’s “stimulating” conversation isn’t gonna be too welcome at the G20. His Highnee is due to arrive tomorrow.
Should make for an interesting read.
Del
June 24th, 2010
7:59 pm
Scout@ 7:20,
Couldn’t stop laughing. Depicts doggie units…just kidding.
Josef,
You do have a great sense of humor and I mean it in all seriousness. i.e. @7:25pm
Gator Joe
June 24th, 2010
8:00 pm
Jay,
The General probably had to be dismissed, if for no other reason than as example to his subordinates. He probably wouldn’t tolerate his behavior and poor judgement in one of his ncos or junior officers. Having said that, if he really is as described he has a bright future in politics where he would have more freedom to express himself and perhaps do some good, especially if he is socially liberal. His opinion of Cheney is probably shared by other military personnel. Mr. “4 deferrments” wouldn’t serve, but hasn’t met a war he doesn’t like, that is, as long as it’s someone else doing the fighting.
Del
June 24th, 2010
8:00 pm
Jay,
If I misunderstood, my bad.
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
8:04 pm
Come on down. The beaches are fine. Riiiight. Bring our troops home and put them to work protecting our beaches.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 24th, 2010
8:20 pm
Taxxie- Why don’t you get off your fat ass and protect the beaches?
Moderate Line
June 24th, 2010
8:21 pm
The housing market droping.
Unemployment at 10%.
The Gulf becoming a huge oil slick.
Losing the war in Afghanistan.
Gay’s in the military is the least of our problems.
@@
June 24th, 2010
8:23 pm
The Pakistanis just convicted 5 American muslims to 10 years in prison for attempted terrorism. The clueless 5 are preening for the camera….grinning and laughing.
10 years in a Pakistani prison??? They have no idea what they just stepped into.
Good luck fellas! You’re gonna need it!
Weirdos!
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
8:31 pm
Finn
Touchdown Jesus?!!? :Shock:
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
8:32 pm
I meant
jt
June 24th, 2010
8:33 pm
DADT is merely a charade to amuse the talking heads concerning coorperate cannon fodder.
With the appeal, what have you won?
Pathetic.
A CONSERVATIVE
June 24th, 2010
8:34 pm
WHEwwwwwwww…BOOKMAN sure has a hangup about skin color…& queer nation..
@@
June 24th, 2010
8:43 pm
Blog comment at Huffington:
Petrol pours off each of us like an invisible sweat. The 20th century was propelled into the stratosphere on a geyser of oil, and nobody wanted to ask where it was coming from, or what it would cost us in the end.–Johann Hari
Ethereal….
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
8:43 pm
Kinda off topic but I was skimming for something to make me laugh myself to sleep tonight.
Here is a good read from the previous thread about the guy with the trailer:
Mama Says
June 24th, 2010
6:09 pm
Let’s help you libs out a little, this man is CORRECT when only 50% of the people in this welfare laden country work and one of them gets taxpayer money back they are getting their tax money back. When one of you free loaders refuse to work or pay taxes but rather live off your monthly check–WHEN YOU ARE CAPABLE OF WORKING- you are getting the money that the government took from those that do work ! and that is what you are, a parasite ! look you the definition or do you need the government to guy you a dictionary ?
Unless I missed something terrible, when did our unemployment shoot to 50%? Talk about getting your talking points crossed. If we had 50% unemployment, there would probably be mass riots and looting going on. I enjoy a good debate between liberal and conservative thinking people, but when one side is represented by something like this, it’s the old proverbial one-legged man in an a$$-kicking contest.
I think I understand the point the person is trying to make. However, before you get on your soapbox to preach to the masses, it’s sometimes best to think your argument through point by point first.
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
9:00 pm
Time to call it a night, but here’s a thought nugget for the evening from George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic:
Free your mind and you know what will follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1taZIoY8LA
G’nite all
Del
June 24th, 2010
9:00 pm
SoCo,
Yep, I agree, however, I’ll only add it’s the sides that keep America in balance. let’s pray we always remain this way.
Normal
June 24th, 2010
9:06 pm
Scout@ 7:09…back at cha…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paGa80T-nWU
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:07 pm
When I look around within say….an 8X8 area in which I find myself, I can find petroleum byproducts everywhere.
My entire computer, keyboard, screen, speakers, mouse, mousepad and cords.
My telephone, pens, stapler, sunglasses, the plastic lid on my can of almonds (a handful a day is very good for you), tape measurer, bicycle helmet, eraser, plastic bottle that my screen cleaner comes in, glue stick, vent covers, plastic binder, flip flops, wastebasket and liner, light switches, ceiling fan, blinds, capsules, the handles on my scissors, plastic tabs on my file folders, tape.
It’s everywhere.
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:07 pm
Whine,
Quit lookin’ at my ass.
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:10 pm
When I look around within say….an 8X8 area in which I find myself, I can find petroleum byproducts everywhere.
Destin is waiting for you. Every 8×8 area on the beach and in the water has those petroleum byproducts. Well, maybe not byproducts. Just plain petroleum. Go for it. Take the family.
Del
June 24th, 2010
9:12 pm
Normal,
LOL..you sure know how and where to come up with the the good ones. Semper Fi
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:15 pm
TaxPayer:
There’s nothing to keep me from going to the gulf. Your fear of the unknown may keep you away, but I know the people could use my vacation dollars.
Talk is cheap.
My neighbor got a bunch of guys together and chartered a fishing boat just last week. The fish fry is scheduled for next month.
Scout
June 24th, 2010
9:19 pm
josef @ 7:45
You’re guessing !!
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:22 pm
Perhaps it is best that we not eat so much seafood anyway.
As for your cheap talk, @@, what of it. Head on down and play on the beach. Take your whole family. Take your kids. Let ‘em play in the oil. It probably makes a real good sunscreen.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
9:23 pm
I’ll be in Cedar Key FLA fishing this weekend, If i see obama or Bite me, I’ll flip them a bird for ya.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
9:25 pm
I think most Active duty will notice a difference when the policy changes, because look around..their commander in chief is a 6′2″ d*ck, and the VP is certainly an Azz
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:27 pm
On the brighter side, the benzene coming from that oil spill does tend to dissipate pretty rapidly.
Hillbilly Deluxe
June 24th, 2010
9:32 pm
It’d be nice if everybody could afford a vacation.
Hugh G.
June 24th, 2010
9:34 pm
Is there something you’d like to tell us JayJay?
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:34 pm
Taxpayer:
Like I said….
too afraid to help out the people in the gulf.
I’ll bet you’ve got plastic covering all your furniture, dont’cha?
I’m off to bed.
Jay
June 24th, 2010
9:35 pm
Is there something you’re dying to know, Hugh?
TDone
June 24th, 2010
9:36 pm
People believe what they want to believe.
Del
June 24th, 2010
9:40 pm
Certainly there will need to be some inclusion in the U.C.M.J. covering, drop the soap games.
neo-Carlinist
June 24th, 2010
9:43 pm
I mentioned this in BB’s blog earlier today. consider this: it was recently reported that Afghanistan and Central Asia holds one of the world’s largest caches of lithium and other precious metals. we have a president who is urging us to become independent of foreign oil and committed to alternative energy sources and green stuff. anyone who has a laptop, Blackberry, cell phone or hybrid car knows these things use LITHIUM batteries. so, this POTUS runs on a “out of Iraq” platform and ramps up (surge and Predator strikes) the war in Central Asia. is it me? Lithium is the new pertroleum, folks. and Obama is the new Bush. I’ll stop there, Biden is not the new Cheney… he’s the same old Biden.
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:46 pm
Like I said, @@, Destin awaits you and your family. Go for it.
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
9:52 pm
laissez faire @ 9:25
Okay, I know I’m supposed to be offended, but, I DID laugh first…!
Jay and Hugh…
Now doesn’t that have a certain, well, uh…panache?
Scout…
Hey, I was taught myself to keep ‘em guessing…up to a point!
Del
June 24th, 2010
9:54 pm
G’night, y’all and remember when you awaken in the morning and look into the eyes of your significant other, don’t ask, don’t tell.
itpdude
June 24th, 2010
10:06 pm
Wait a minute. Obama fired the guy.
And now we are supposed to listen to the guy?
You can’t have it both ways, Bookman. Where is your editorial that the guy shouldn’t be fired?
josef nix
June 24th, 2010
10:38 pm
itpdude
“You can’t have it both ways, Bookman.”
What is he doing to have it both ways? McChrystal committed a breech of command. He was cashiered for that. He also has been a proponent of gays serving openly in the military and has welcomed them into his inner circle. The one does not exclude the other. Jay could have ignored this aspect of who the man is. He chose not to and I applaud him for that.
Scout
June 24th, 2010
10:54 pm
josef:
Did you have to use “inner circle” ?
BTW: Did I ever tell you why there are Marines on board Navy ships ?
Gay Marriage Watch » Blog Archive » Gays in the Military Quote of the Week
June 24th, 2010
10:59 pm
[...] From Jay Bookman’s Blog: [...]
Scout
June 24th, 2010
11:26 pm
“OFF TOPIC #1″
From a blogger on a site I was reading:
“The Portland Oregonian is a far-left radical liberal newspaper that’s in the tank with the Democrat Party, and that’s why they killed the story (sexual accusation against Al Gore). Had this been G.W. Bush or any Republican, this same newspaper would have gone balistics with a daily “report”. It’s the same with Obama. There’s no way on the planet that this newspaper, or any Main Stream Media news organization in America, would criticize Obama for anything.”
HOW TRUE, HOW TRUE …………….
Scout
June 24th, 2010
11:33 pm
These guys look like they are running from the U.S. Border Patrol !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZgBl-t7vY
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 25th, 2010
12:04 am
josef nix..
I don’t think you should be offended, I think as long as the field commanders feel it won’t be an issue, gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve equally, I’m also pro gay marriage as WTF business does government have licensing and taxing any union..but everything i say about Hugo Lula Jong Ill hussein obama and his plagiaristic sidekick, Bite me, (I got an F in 8th grade for not properly citing, he got elected..more proof americans are dumb) is TRUE.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 25th, 2010
12:07 am
Finally finished a major account, 18 days without a break, now 3 days of fishing..plus I love to drive interstates at night..Ciao!
ken
June 25th, 2010
12:41 am
After reading the comments I can see that most of the people on this board have not been in the military. And you would not serve either. I have a DD214. Go Army.
popeye
June 25th, 2010
5:18 am
Scout…”From a blogger on a site I was reading:
“The Portland Oregonian is a far-left radical liberal newspaper that’s in the tank with the Democrat Party, and that’s why they killed the story (sexual accusation against Al Gore). Had this been G.W. Bush or any Republican, this same newspaper would have gone balistics with a daily “report”. It’s the same with Obama. There’s no way on the planet that this newspaper, or any Main Stream Media news organization in America, would criticize Obama for anything.”
ooh yea…..and the earth is flat, and they did put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Now go blog that somewhere because I said so.
Actually the newspaper was the Portland Tribune…Not the Oregonian, and they actually provide
a reason for their decision. Perhaps you should read it!
http://portlandtribune.com/news/index.php
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
June 25th, 2010
5:59 am
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama declared Thursday that he and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev have “succeeded in resetting” the Cold War adversaries’ relationship, which had dipped in recent years. -Urinal
We’ve almost given them all of our weapons too!! Yay!
All is well!! And good!!
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
6:00 am
popeye – you mean like … oh … say … no EVIDENCE???? which, by the way, is why the cops didn’t arrest him and why charges were never filed???
fuhgettaboutit … these guys have the bit in their teeth and they’re gonna run with this one, evidence or not …
(although I love that the blogger Scout quotes is so brazenly WRONG about … oh … EVERYthing in his/her post … research much?)
popeye
June 25th, 2010
6:08 am
USinUK .. Exactly!
Only you are a much better wordsmith than me.
electrician
June 25th, 2010
6:39 am
USinUK..yep,the right fringe will run with it .I hope that Jay will spare us all and not bring it up.
Finn McCool
June 25th, 2010
6:42 am
Some consumer wins in the new finance reform legislation:
1)Mortgage brokers and bank employees will no longer be able to earn bonuses based on the type of loan they put you in. That will presumably eliminate any incentive to push high-interest loans on borrowers (who might otherwise qualify for a better deal) to inflate bank profits.
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
6:46 am
electrician – 6:39 – actually, I hope he does for 2 reasons:
1) if he doesn’t, all we’re going to hear for the next week is the Fool’s Chorus of “but, but, but, Jaaaaayyyyyyy … why don’t you talk about that rapist, Al Gore” (we’ve already been hearing the overture yesterday and this morning)
and
2) I would hope he would frame it with a discussion about journalism / running a story when there is no evidence to support it / convictions in the courtroom of public opinion based on rumor
Finn McCool
June 25th, 2010
6:48 am
French implosion regarding their world cup team: No wonder President Nicolas Sarkozy has called crisis ministerial meetings on the French World Cup debacle. The daily Le Monde went further, drawing parallels between this “strange defeat” and another, on the front lines of 1940.
It’s only a game?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/opinion/25iht-edcohen.html?hp
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
6:50 am
electrician – actually, as I think about it – convictions in the courtroom of public opinion based on rumor would really be an interesting topic, given its long history in the Atlanta area – innocent people from Leo Frank to Richard Jewell who were crucified in the media (and, in Frank’s case, wound up with him losing his life)
Finn McCool
June 25th, 2010
6:50 am
running a story when there is no evidence to support it
but but but, USinUK, if it bleeds, it leads! Whatever sells more ed space! Whatever it takes to line Murdoch’s pockets!
Finn McCool
June 25th, 2010
6:51 am
errr, “ad space!”
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
6:58 am
Finn – 6:50 – and I have no problem with “if it bleeds it leads” when there is a shooting / bomb / car crash, etc …
it’s when there are unsubstantiated allegations that have been investigated by the police and found lacking that I think should be left on the curb …
… but, I guess that leaves me in the minority …
Finn McCool
June 25th, 2010
7:00 am
Brazil vs Portugal at 10am!!! This should be good.
x-wingback
June 25th, 2010
7:01 am
DAD-T Clinton still rules!
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
7:02 am
Finn – 6:48 – you saw that the French have actually figured out who is to blame for their total lackluster performance, haven’t you???
it’s the English (but, of course!)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23848275-sulking-french-blame-england-for-their-world-cup-exit.do
and who can’t read this quote without hearing the French taunting accent from Holy Grail: ““It’s all about individualism, egotism, and everyone for themselves,” said Socialist Party spokesman Jerome Cahuzac, adding: “All that really matters is the size of the cheque.”” (your mother smells of elderberries!)
Lee
June 25th, 2010
7:04 am
Jay sure seems obsessed with this gays in the military thingy. Something you been wanting to tell us, bookboy?
The “Mad Max” character on the John Boy and Billy radio show had a good skit about this. Among the zingers:
“Gays in the military. Yeah, great idea. Let’s put the defense of America in the hands of the guys who got beat up all through high school.”
“What’s up with all these gay boys wanting in the military anyway. Some redneck calls them a name and they go running to the cops wanting to charge them with a hate crime. Now, they all ready to go rumble with [taliban].”
Good stuff. See if you can find it on you tube.
Lee
June 25th, 2010
7:06 am
Found it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvZtuwSJgD0&feature=PlayList&p=A6C0E3125F6F6C46&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=64
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2010
7:13 am
mornin’.
Anyone else find the right wing (ok, some of the right wing) response to the startling news that–ZOMG!! An OFFICER! VOTED! FOR! OBAMA!–to be hilarious?
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2010
7:20 am
“Let’s put the defense of America in the hands of the guys who got beat up all through high school.”
And DADT’s last pathetic, laughable plea for a stay of execution is heard.
USinUK
June 25th, 2010
7:20 am
“The “Mad Max” character on the John Boy and Billy radio show ”
I just love the smell of erudition in the morning …
oy.
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2010
7:26 am
innocent people from Leo Frank to Richard Jewell who were crucified in the media
To get nitpicky, I don’t know that it’s accurate to refer to Leo Frank as “innocent.”
What was done to him, however, was indefensible, and is still horrifying to revisit.
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2010
7:29 am
I see that Intrade has DADT’s repeal by EoY 2010 at 39… a smart buy? Anyone?
Fix-It
June 25th, 2010
7:34 am
Want to fix the gay issue, real easy, I don’t tell YOU what I do in my bedroom, and I sure as heck don’t care what you do in yours. So stop telling everybody your business…..damn
koid
June 25th, 2010
7:36 am
DON’T CARE DON’T TELL
jt
June 25th, 2010
7:37 am
You’ll never see THIS on Bookman’s blog or the MSM. It doesn’t fit the narrative. Only the right is extreme.
Kesha won her primary last week. This Texas Democrat wants to impeach Obama and “take our troops out of the war zone .
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/kesha-rogers.jpg
You go girl!
Normal
June 25th, 2010
7:42 am
Good morning, y’all. Happy friday to you!
I took the day off, slept in and now I’m rarin’ to go. Mrs. Normal is having a “Girls night” tonight and I’m designated chef.
Get to try new recipes out. Before that, though, we are going to finish the bedroom my Mama will use if she has to come here to stay for awhile. Have a great day, and I’ll try to check in for the music.
As to the troops…bring them home and let them be themselves. Life’s too short, especially in the Military…especially today.
Soames
June 25th, 2010
7:56 am
Even the ‘evil’ Dick Cheney supports the repeal of DADT….
www. huffingtonpost .com /2010/02/14/dick-cheney-supports-dont_n_461853.html (remove spaces)
Torture is bad….we can’t stack up naked terrorists like folding chairs…not allowed to pee on Koran’s (Qouran whatever)..
Personally, I’m tired of hearing about Dick Cheney….there were some clowns blaming the oil spill on him the other day. The oil spill is the fault of the crew working on the rig and the management team that was in charge of overseeing them. Just like Obama couldn’t don a wet suit and plug the leaking pipe, Cheney wasn’t on the rig and didn’t cause the accident.
The real question is, can we stomach a confrontation with Iran and North Korea, possibly simultaneously? What are we doing in Afghanistan and why can’t everyone see that this is an un-winable battle that will not yield the pseudo-democracy that our leaders are hoping for? No one will be able to talk Iran down from the nuclear cliff so we best get prepared for the inevitable.
Bring the kids home…this is ridiculous.
midtownguy
June 25th, 2010
9:13 am
My suggestion is to keep my american civil rights at 75% of straight americans and in exchange allow me a 25% deduction on my Income Tax Return. “If you are homosexual check here and deduct 25% from the tax owed column.” Talk about folks bustin’ out of the closet!
Scout
June 25th, 2010
9:17 am
USinUK:
Good morning. You and your lib. friends are so blind.
The point of the Gore thing is that there was NOT enough evidence and therefore the Oregon paper was correct in not reporting it. However, if it had been a conservative or Palin’s first cousin it would have been all over that paper two years ago !
You libs. are dandies at the double standard ………. I have to give you credit.
NWO
June 28th, 2010
3:23 pm
From my experience, if an operator came out gay, he’d be out. I have personally seen that scenario play out. The guy wasn’t even allowed in the locker room or shower. The “competent” line is a bunch of BS. Might be so for an interpeter, not for an operator. We’re talking about the Atlantic Monthly here, right? Not exactly a quality source for inside military issues.