A self-made man of independence takes his stand

I’m shocked! shocked to find gambling in this establishment.

Your winnings, sir.

Thank you.

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woohoo … AND firsties!

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I want a recount…I know I was first!

Is the ref blog from the worldcup…

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LHU – if it was the world cup ref, your comment would have been removed all toghether.

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…and the Gov’mitt had better keep it’s hands off my Medicare too…

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If the government wants to give out free money, then even a libertarian is going to take it. Why? Because otherwise they would be at a competitive disadvantage to everyone else.

What solves the problem is to stop giving out free money to people. Simple concept, hard for the left to understand.

You know how lots of states are depending on the Federal Government to close their revenue gaps? Why not just lower Federal taxes so there is room for the states to raise a bit, and then we don’t have to do this silly transfer thing. I’d rather my tax dollars go to a more local government that is responsive to the needs of myself and my neighbors.

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LHU – 8:21 – if the refs REALLY loved us, they wouldn’t have allowed the Green goal in the US/England game …

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I like the way he puts aside personal responsibility for his own desires. : )

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Outhouse GoKart

June 24th, 2010
8:23 am

Im offending. Fixed your typo…

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I know that guy, he blogs here daily using the name…..

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“I’d rather my tax dollars go to a more local government that is responsive to the needs of myself and my neighbors”

exmellent idea! food inspections? department of defense? agriculture? intelligence services??

whooooooo needs ‘em.

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First off….Go John Isner! UGA pride baby!!!

Second…I think the trailer is hilarious. Love it!!!

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Read the fine print at the bottom of the trailer. “Do as I say, not as I do.”

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Does that mean that in the future you kill me?

Oh well, call it a cliffhanger for the forest beckons.

Later

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“Do as I say, not as I do”

The motto of all the people that want higher taxes and less dependency on oil!!!

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Tomorrow is “Take Your Dog To Work Day”. I’ll try, but my wife doesn’t seem interested…

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What solves the problem is to stop giving out free money to people. Simple concept, hard for the left to understand.

Funny, that guy doesn’t strike me as being “left”.

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Taxpayer – maybe he’s soooooo far to the left that he comes up on the right … hrmmmmm …

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Scooter – you set the bar very high … we just try to meet it

Not really USinUK. I cheat! LMAO

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The motto of all the people that want higher taxes and less dependency on oil!!!

I doubt that guy has that for a motto but you could be right.

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gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme

vote Republican!

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Oh, Republicans?

The same people who talk up the free market but can’t run a business without tax breaks/loopholes?

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Very important stuff, Jay. Look, even USinUK is cheering for this one.

Yes siree bob, you are quite the journalist.

With almost nothing going on in our political world, this has got to be the most important thing you could write about.

(Actually it is the only thing you could write about right now that doesn’t make Obama look like a complete imbecile.) You are doing your job well Jay.

Now strap on those presidential knee-pads and come up with another one. THere’s gotta be another story you can write that won’t point out what a disaster the Democrats are making our of our country.

HEy!! Look over there!!!

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the president’s $20 billion worth of empathy evoked near hysteria on the Republican right….See, the passionless president had just struck a powerful blow on behalf of thousands of Americans who mostly didn’t vote for him — seemingly the last thing anybody in Washington wanted you to think about.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/opinion/feature/2010/06/23/obama_oil_spill_pundits

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The Missourian farmer is forced at the end of a gun to comply with onerous federal rules and regulations concerning his land and crops. To not take subsidies would probably mean bankruptcy.

Granted, out of ignorance, the sign might should have said “R & D” party or “Statist”, ,,,but,,,

it doesn’t take away the truth of the matter.

Big Government=Big Parasite. Nothing is EVER gained by the host.

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Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

Your overt bigotry comes out every time you write one of those.

The only problem is that the least educated almost always turn out to be democrats.

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Lord Help Us

Unlike you libs. I go to work.

You boys can talk about whatever you want, and right now, to lift your spirits, maybe this is best.

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I’ll bet that Jungerman’s land has been in the family for generations and he has really never had to do an honest days work for his money. ?????????

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Finn No Cool

**Look over there! Squirrel!**

And this is why I will leave this debate to the real Einsteins on here.

Cheer up libs. This isn’t the only positive story that Jay can write about.

There’s got to be a republican somewhere that was arrested last night.

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When you take back your own tax money is all good…when someone else gets back some of their own tax money they are parasites….. okay now I understand the theory.

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NIF is feeling insecure today…

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awwwwwwww … yesterday NIF got abortion, the war and the BP escrow account … but he still. demands. MORE. dammit!!!

NIF – it’s jay’s blog – don’t like what he writes about? start your own. it’s a free interweb.

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There’s got to be a republican somewhere that was arrested last night.

Not arrested, but making a fool of himself…way to go, Jay!

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Time to pay for Shock & Awe shucks we didnt find any WMD’s and all of their tax cuts.

Im out , until lunch.

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USinUK

June 24th, 2010
8:54 am

You are soooo photogenic!

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Shorter NIF @ 8.41:

HOW DARE YOU HAVE FUN ON THE INTERNET! ON A BLOG!

THIS IS SERIES!!!!

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Finn McCool

So now you think you know how others are feeling.

Now that is funny.

Sorry your little pansy arsed president sucks.

Losing the war in Afghanistan.

Destroying the gulf.

Destroying the economy.

Coddles our enemies.

We don’t have a single ally that isn’t PO’d at us.

But there’s always that guy with the trailer.

I would say that you should be crying right now, if you actually had the intelligence to understand what a horrible decision you made last year in the voting booth.

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stands for decibels

Hey, I’m having fun right now.

Why aren’t you?

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A better roadside sign: “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.” –Ecclesiastes 10:2

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jay – evidently, you didn’t get the memo … there are Chicago Thugs (TM) that go around to farmers’ houses and MAKE THEM ACCEPT those checks

(them’s some mighty nice chickens you got there … shame if anything were to happen to them)

it’s the Chicago way.

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Lord Help Us

Unlike the libs here, I don’t know what or who you are, but you have your head stuck up the anal cavity of Obama at every chance,. so all I have to go by is what you say here.

If you don’t want people to think that you are yet another indoctrinated half wit, perhaps you shouldn’t act like one.

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@ jay yes.. and while I dont know if this is still a practice as well.. but the govt has also been known to subsidize a farmer to grow a crop where is was difficult to grow and the farmer would have taken a loss otherwise..

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Farmer is told that if you want to get taxpayer money through the fed, then you gotta play by the fed’s rules. Otherwise, you don’t have to take the money and you can grow whatever you want. And if you need help learning how to play the game, perhaps someone over at Monsanto can give you some pointers. After all, they and other large corporations wrote most of them.

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So what makes this guy think he’s entitled to a refund of taxes he’s paid? Even if he has paid over a million. Is everybody entitled to a refund?

People can sure come up with some convoluted explanations to justify inconsistencies in their behavior. Especially when they condemn it in others.

As far as all the other posts about the level of farm subsidies, paying people who aren’t farmers, etc. Democrats have had a year and a half to even introduce legislation to stop this. Problem is, influential Dems support it. Along with influential Reps. Isn’t what many of us thought they meant by ‘bipartisanship.’

Larger issue: shows why making actual cuts or ending some programs is going to be so difficult. But if it’s too difficult for the current members, voters’ll take a chance on someone else.

LHU

“Saw this yesterday next to a poll showing the age and % of those opposed to the new healthcare reform that are on social security and medicare…The scary part is that inside their peanut sized brains, they REALLY BELIEVE the crap they spew despite glaring hypocrisy…What it means is, it’s ok for me but not some minority, immigrant, democrat, etc…”

I believe what many are concerned with is the cut in their old-age benefits while others make no sacrifice, in order to pay for benefits for middle and upper middle income people. Remember the half a trillion in medicare cuts? Even backing out Advantage it was quite a bit. Some said it was scare tactics – but Dems have allowed a 21 percent reduction in medical reimbursements to take effect for them – and for vets, too.

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@ jay.. just one of many programs…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_Reserve_Program

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“Really? The feds can do that, Union? Or are you just making that up?”

Why yes, actually they can.

Find the tobacco rules and regulations among the 30,000 pages of federal claptrap.

Not to mention other WEEDS.

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So, according to Paul, the guy is a millionaire that doesn’t want to pay taxes! Why, that’s so UBS. So, tea partyish.

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Or to put it another way, the government made available to Mr.Jungerman, subsidies, and he took full advantage of them.

How ’bout THIS ONE?

A Treasury Department inspector general reports that 4,608 people have claimed the homebuyer tax credit even though their home is a government prison. Some of them could have been filing jointly with spouses eligible for the credit, but more than 700 not only didn’t file jointly but were serving life sentences!

Of those returns from single-filing lifers, 174 were filed by paid, professional tax preparers. So again the middlemen are aiding and abetting.

Some other choice tidbits from the IG’s report, which you can read in whole here.

– Florida prisoners seem to have been especially diligent about defrauding the government. More than half the inmates who got the credit and are serving life sentences were in Florida.

– Many of the fraudulent inmate returns slipped past screens set up by the IRS that were supposed to catch them. IRS employees also failed to follow up on other signs of fraud in numerous returns, the IG said.

– More than 80 IRS employees claimed the credit even though they don’t seem to have bought a house in the required time period.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/hancock/blog/2010/06/the_mortgage_disaster_was_the.html

According to Breitbart, 1,300 prison inmates wrongly received more than $9 Million in homebuyer tax credits.

Let me spell it out for you guys…

G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T

I-N-C-O-M-P-E-T-E-N-C-E

and waste.

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Its ok for the Dems to accept govt entitlement payouts, govt assistance but OH NO…not the republicans…lol.

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NIF, FYI, educated, hard-working (except when I’m on this blog) liberal right here.

Republicans like to perpetuate the notion that Democrats are all poor, uneducated welfare bums, and not to say that there aren’t those types out there, but the truth is Democrats are often the working poor at one end of the spectrum and well-educated on the other end of the spectrum. And we’re talking liberal arts education, which means well-educated enough to know that there’s a lot they don’t know.

My stereotypical view of Republicans is that they’re either high-school educated, college-drop-out blue collar working stiffs whose distrust of long-haired intellectual types is encouraged by the likes of Limbaugh and Beck, or they’re MBA/Engineer types who don’t have quite enough real education to realize they don’t know everything.

I’m sure there are exceptions (my spouse, for example, is a liberal engineer, but he’s the only one he knows).

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It’s OK for the Republicans to complain about others getting a handout but OH NO… not the Democrats…

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I’m da man…numer one on number two

(GAWD, I hope I’m on the potty)

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Jay

Which is why I find it so depressingly frustrating. Given the staunch Republican support over the years, nothing will change if Reps get a majority in November. Even bringing in some hardcore tea party types won’t provide the muscle (or seniority) to get this changed.

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Why all the support? Aside from serving constituents, it’s serving constituents who are rich. Who donate to reelection campaigns. Who get others to donate. Let’s see… is there a way to break the cycle of donations, contributions, influence peddling? Golly gee, it’s all innocent free speech….

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dB – “Believe NIF swiped that from one of Dorothy Parker’s short stories.”

dude. DP is sooooooooo gonna haunt you, now.

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USinUK,

Everyone needs a “Dave” in their life.

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Citizen: “or they’re MBA/Engineer types who don’t have quite enough real education to realize they don’t know everything.”

People who think they know it all really tick off those of us who do . . .

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Bosch – yeah – he’s a former footballer – I think played for Leeds … the man knows all things footie. and cricket. my other coworker knows all things rugby, so I’m pretty much set.

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In the leftist world, Mr. Jungermann is just an ungrateful wrench for not realizing the benefits of centralized authority.. Anyone that critizises the benevolent effort of the federal government (social security, medicaid, etc…..) is the same. Ungrateful. The fact that the subjects HAVE NO CHOICE of these benefits is irrelevant.

This propogandist tactic was popular during the last years of the USSR.

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Let me spell it out for you guys…

and waste.

. . . wrote the lady who advocated screwing the government and whose husband took full advantage of the car credit.

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Dave R.

“citing Mr. Jungerman’s opposition to those who do not pay ANY taxes, yet receive handouts”

So where does this line of reasoning go? That in order to qualify for welfare (government assistance) people need to first pay taxes?!!?

Or that the level of welfare benefits is determined by the amount of taxes paid?!!? So a millionaire who pays taxes gets welfare, while an unemployed factory worker whose unemployment benefits have run out does not get assistance?

And…. if Mr. Whatshisname did not pay more than a million in taxes those years, yet he received more than a million in welfare, he’s in effect paid no taxes, so under your scheme, he doesn’t qualify for assistance!

’sides which, I’d wager Mr. Assistance Recipient didn’t pay the taxes anyhow. I’ll bet he runs a corporation. So it’s really another corporate welfare subsidy, eh?

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“an ungrateful wrench ”

best malapropism of the day

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UnU @ 9.24, too late: she already does.

Anyway, much as we’d like to think this artist’s rendering is an accurate depiction of Bookmaniacs gathering to solve the world’s problems, sadly, the truth is somewhat less glamorous.

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LHU,

The “Dave” I mean is the fun loving guy who knows everything about a particular subject — or more — movies (from the dawn of cinematography), music, and sports… I have a “Dave” but his name is actually Mike.

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@@

Are you still confined? “Please turn me loose at 9:15.” Can we call you The Bondage Queen?

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dB – I tried reading her biography, but got too depressed about half-way in. they did a biopic about her, Mrs Parker and the Vicious Circle starring Jennifer Jason Leigh – she did a great job – particularly when she recited “Resume” at a party –

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smell awful;
You might as well live.

I highly recommend

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Oh yes… the republicans and tea baggins are only upset with those who pay apparently have never paid any taxes but receive some “social program” and not another program that “assists the private sector” (really Deep Throat, you may want to swallow that). So programs that support working families that may need additional assistance (food stamps, childcare credtis) are not at issue because working people pay taxes. Unemployment compensation is not a problem because those people have paid taxes for coverage in the past. Now which progams are they upset with?

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“only attacking this person because thats what libs do”

something tells me Monsieur Gorge hasn’t looked at the picture.

or, if he did, the irony of his statement escapes even him.

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LHU,

Yeah, I purposefully omitted OUR Dave. He’s not like the stereotypical Dave, although he can be fun….he just THINKS he knows everything, but we know better.

[Okay, Dave, hit me with a clown]

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“an ungrateful wrench ”

best malapropism of the day

Alas, the Hat tip for this acyrologia belongs solely to the State (now defunct) of the USSR.

It worked nicely for them.

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Paul, I think it is a point to make that Mr. Jungerman actually produces something each year for consumption, while he is complaining about those who apparently (in his mind) do not.

Again, I am not taking sides in the who pays taxes issue. That is almost as volatile an issue as religion or abortion.

My issue is with Jay omitting the salient point of Mr. Jungerman’s argument that was in the other paper, thereby attempting to vilify Mr. Jungerman for something that may not exist.

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Deep Throat

“So in other words that $1 million plus Jay mentioned, whose pockets did it help ? Dare I say all of ours when we buy groceries.”

So you support farm subsidies because… you like the idea of people paying taxes to give to farmers to keep prices at lower than market rates (not a free market guy, eh?) so you can pay less when you buy groceries?

So you’re all in favor of welfare for yourself?

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Is Disgusted, Mrs. Godzilla?

. . . wrote the lady who advocated screwing the government and whose husband took full advantage of the car credit.

Gosh darn it! I believed what Obama told me…I was stimalatin’ the economy. /snark/

Helped out two less fortunate individuals–the ones that Obama didn’t think about when he ordered the seizing up of engines on perfectly good vehicles.

KMA!!!!!!

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Let’s face it people. When the GOPers say they hate government handouts, they only mean the poor people on “welfare (even though they can never name a program where people get money for not working).” They overlook all the “handouts” they get because, well that’s different, they work and are better than those people who get “welfare.”

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Perhaps this guy thinks that Wall Street is home to the nation’s Democrats.

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One thing about parasites…they HATE other parasites…

Saw this on the Discovery Channel…

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hee hee hee….

I love the appologists, always able to find reason for someone’s actions when they are not really defendable from their own point of view. Sure that guy pays taxes, but if he’s paying that much in taxes, his income should be enough that he doesn’t need the subsidies anyway. If his income is that high and he needs the subsidies to survive, then he needs to take a business management course or two.

Those who pay no Federal taxes make up for it with sales, fuel, and other taxes. Somebody needs to formulate a new argument point because that one is dying a horrible death.

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“even though they can never name a program where people get money for not working”

I must correct myself – apparently farmers can get money for not working. Okay.

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Leech would be a better descriptor ………… it sounds worse.

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Jay that farmer and all the other farmers provide a service, they receive subsidies to off set cost so that you may go to the grocery store and buy food products at an affordable price. Now, the farmers have a choice, they could not receive subsidies and raise prices so they may make a living, or God forbid make a profit. You are ok with farmers making a profit aren’t you Jay?
They could stop receiving subsidies and go out of business, then we can buy all of our food from other countries and let them dictate food prices. You don’t want us producing our on fuel, I’m begining to think you just want the US to be a weaker player in the world market.

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“In many cases, Paul, it’s even more perverse than that.

We pay farmers NOT to grow, and in other cases pay them not to sell what they’ve grown, to keep food prices HIGH.

We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”

Policies courtesy of your federal government, you know, the one Jay loves to defend so much.

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Scooter,

No, what’s sad is when the programs are created, demonized by conservatives, yet they take advantage of them.

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George Bush is a brain surgeon compared to Obama….Really, he is. This guy is clueless.

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“I love how liberals create the programs and then insinuate hypocrisy if a conservative takes advantage of them, pretty sad”

wow. did you hear the point as it went WHOOSHING by???

that he took advantage of the program isn’t the problem.

that he calls people who accept government handouts “parasites” while he does exactly that is the topic of today’s blog.

welcome to the conversation.

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Jay

Topics like this cause Excedrin stock to soar.

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If you’re easy up to a point, does that mean you qualify for subsidies? (I another SH)

How’s the pool doing this year? Mine registered 93 degrees yesterday. So much for cooling off.

Off to the gym – later

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Jay says “We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”

FARMERS did not come up with this system, mr. B, your beloved GOVERMENT did.

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A “producer” is a “parasite” with opportunity.

Unemployment claims drop

There were 457,000 initial jobless claims filed in the week ended June 19, down 19,000 from a revised 476,000 in the previous week, the Labor Department said.

Only 457,000. That’s good news? Isn’t it?

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“We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”

NO!

we pay them taxpayer money so that they can stay in business, making sure that the US never becomes dependent on another country for our food, you numpties.

criminey.

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Who is this guy?

Was he featured on Oprah and/or Dr. Phil “Old Angry Whiteman’s disease and related Teabaqqing Compulsions”?

We need to be more cuturally diverse and import our food from China, Cuba, India and Saudi Arabia.

Time to stop paying the way for these lazy redneck farmers who never do an honest days work.

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Jay, we in the newspaper industry produce things, yeah maybe you should receive subsidies, after all what you produce could put you in the catagory of a farmer.

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ghetto dwelling parasite does not.

There’s your sign…

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And a few days ago you had several Congressmen wanting the USA taxpayers to give some money to BP to help them clean up the oil spill.

Welfare by any other name is welfare. You can put lipstick on a pig but………………..!

Mr. Jungerman is on welfare!

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I’ll make mud pies for $1 million in subsidies.

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Sen Tom Harkin, DEMOCRAT, Iowa

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laissez

“FARMERS did not come up with this system, mr. B, your beloved GOVERMENT did.”

So you’re implying farmers spend zero dollars and exert no other influence to keep the programs going and preserve them with no cuts?

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Jay:

Ever had a leech on you?

I’ve had plenty …………. they’re kind of hard to get off because they like it where they are (sound familiar?). You have to get a little tough with the tip of a lit cigarette or some military issue insect repellant ………. but it works.

Now, if we could just figure out a way …………………….

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Paul – and you seem to forget – the majority of the states in question are red. red. RED.

just who do they think the farmers taking advantage of the subsidies are?

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Yet another in a long line of examples of “do what I say…” from the fambly values crowd…

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Saxby is a . . . clown!

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Disgusted – could you please ask Paul to pass the Excedrin …

the stooooooopid is giving me a headache.

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First of all…these days…MOST of the money paid out in farm subsidies is paid to corporate owned Mega-Farms…NOT the little guy and/or independent farmer. There are less farms now and the majority are owned by big corporations. You can track the number of farms and the acreage here:
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsda/viewDocumentInfo.do?documentID=1259

So what these farm subsidies end up becoming is a HUGE tax rebate and payout to big multimillion-billion dollar corporations. Yet providing people with a way to BUY health insurance and to help the poor that can’t afford to do so and don’t qualify for medicaid is called a “socialist” program huh?

I’m all for the “little guy/gal” who own and operate organic farms…that don’t pollute the land they’re on…who don’t add chemicals into our water supply… but if you look what THEY get when it comes to these subsidies… it’s nearly zero (and IS in fact zero for many of them).

This is truly a program that needs to be re-examined and the FIRST thing they need to do is stop any and all subsidies to the BIG farms. It’s one thing if federal aid is needed to be paid to an “independent” farmer due to a drought or a flood that destroys their crops… big business… it should be based upon how profitable they are. If they made several million dollars in profit the previous year… they don’t need a handout if they lose crops. That’s business…quite different compared to the little farmer who may or may not lose everything they own including the roof over their head.

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I voted for chambliss in the general election because voting for a democrat is like fellating a satanic cactus. I did not vote for saxby in the primary.

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SPQR,

So, since you voted for Chambliss, you voted for farm subsidies. So, why are you bitching about farm subsidies when you voted for the very person who is their biggest cheerleader?

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Bosch and Paul –

it’s like saying “a polite vuvuzela honk”

not happenin’

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He is not their biggest cheerleader, sen harkin , Democrat, is. I have made my views known that many republicans are only moderatly better than burn in hell democrats..but in the system we have, thats all that was on the ballot.

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I guess Junger is both…a producer and a parasite. As with most hard core conservatives, his little Manichean duality doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

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I want some of whatever SPQR is smokin’!

Can i get that way if i just watch Hannity and Beck everyday? I can haz idiocy?

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@ jay.. i never said it was a “good” program.. but its a program to help control commodity costs. maybe there was a reason at one time.. as to the taxes.. please take a moment to consider this.. he is from missouri.. so we will have to make a couple of “swags”

two of the most produced crops in mo are corn and soy… if he farms 6800 acres and has an average year.. its gonna look like this..
corn – avg yield acre – 180 bushels – income – 4.3 mill
soy – avg yield acre – 48 bushels – income – 2.6 mill

after expenses, taxes, he might clear a 200k or less… probably less.. also.. the govt might be concerned with the cost of soy.. less production yield per acre, so it pays the farmer to grow more soy to keep the net cost down .

these calculations are based on today commodity prices..

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Find a con that is not a hypocrite and you will have a story.

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williebkind, I believe you miss the irony this blog is about today.

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Jay, this is a sleezy liberal ploy. To compare people who are productive to those who are not productive but depend on the generosity of others is typical liberal nonsense. You are shaping the news event in lieu of reporting the news.

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Did SPQR just say that Barton should apologize to ACORN for the demonization of a private corporate citizen and the republican-halliburton-Fox News style shakedown that occured that went far beyond the legal liablity of torts and turned it into “we’re going to cancel your contracts based on an edited tape that falsely portrays the facts and we will break you.” Yes….that is what I am sure he said.

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RF

June 24th, 2010
10:19 am
I am not recanting YOU ARE AT Fault!!!

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williebkind,

“To compare people who are productive to those who are not productive but depend on the generosity of others is typical liberal nonsense”

That is so true. We all know how unproductive the current GOP is.

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Compare social entitlement spending vs farming subsidies. You will be shocked. No comparison. I have to ask myself, do I want more ghetto’s and crime………..or more corn ? I think I know the answer.

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mm

June 24th, 2010
10:23 am
You are confused again. Are we still blaming Bush?

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Dems dont seem to understand the difference between this farm subsidy business and govt entitlement programs.

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All you had to do is say he was a Republicant, and I knew right away he was a hypocrite.

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Most people don’t know a whole lot about how agriculture works in this country. We live in a pseudo-fascist society with agriculture leading the way on the fascist slant.

I don’t believe in state-sponsored gambling (lotteries) and have voted against lotteries and casino gambling at every opportunity. I have never played the GA lottery. My daughter earned a hope scholarship and kept it throughout her four years of college by virtue of maintaining her GPA. Does that make me a parasite? I didn’t ask for the benefit, my daughter earned it and the state (people) forked over her tuition.

You live in a state with capital punishment. Are you a murderer?

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America! Gotta love her!

I can see there’s not a lot of farmers hereabouts. The farm subsidy program was put in place to help regulate the supply-demand fluctuations in relation to production and availability of essential staple crops. Ten acres, or 10,000 it’s the same rules for everybody. Compliance is not compulsory and the program has to make it attractive to participate. Incidentally, the idea was first floated by George Washington Carver in his efforts to wean the Southerners away from cotton, cotton and more cotton…

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“Conservatives” don’t seem understand that the farm subsidies IS an entitlement program…

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Saul Good

June 24th, 2010
10:22 am
Funding student loans so they can get a piece of paper which will get them a good job. Nowhere did you mention achievements or performance. Just that degree does it all. That is typical liberal thinking. Let me see POTUS is from harvard right. Yep, he sure did learn al lot about performance and achievments.

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Farm subsidies, eh? What about bio-fuel.

Biofuels: At What Cost? – Government Support for Ethanol and Biodiesel in the United States

The report estimates that subsidies to biofuels are between $5.5 billion and $7.3 billion a year.

The left is VERY supportive of THOSE farm subsidies.

US subsidies for biofuel production were condemned by the head of the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) this morning, who said they were depriving people of food.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/03/biofuels.energy

Raising the price of food in third world countries.

You people oughta be ashamed of yourselves.

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“Conservatives” don’t seem understand that the farm subsidies IS an entitlement program…

Yups…and the MOST money gets paid the the Exxons and Haliburtons of the farming industry. perhaps they “trickle” down their profits when they hire all of those illegal immigrants to work their fields…. ya know…since MOST illegal immigrants in this nation work on factory farms.

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DawgDad

June 24th, 2010
10:28 am

Yep, I think you’re a hypocrite. Just because your daughter “earned” it does not mean she had to accept the money. If you’re against something, be completely against it or else it makes you look like a hypocrite.

josef

The only money that needs to be handed out to farmers should be directed towards a certain group. You know the group that won their lawsuit but have yet to receive their payments.

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“Conservatives” don’t seem understand that the farm subsidies IS an entitlement program…

From this corner, you are absolutely 100% wrong. And, not all of these subsidy/agricultural programs are voluntary. The government absolutely does coerce farmers into doing specifically what the government wants them to do, whether it’s planting a specific crop, not planting, taking land out of production entirely, watershed and soil conservation, etc.

Buy a piece of farmland and see how long it takes the government to show up on your doorstep.

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“The only money that needs to be handed out to farmers should be directed towards a certain group. You know the group that won their lawsuit but have yet to receive their payments”

Why does one have to receive money from tax payers to correct a discrimination?

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RF, you aren’t in the business of advertising, are you?

You have a trailer. You want to make a point. You need to make that point in about 3-5 seconds of drive by stare time.

You can’t write: “I really don’t like people who don’t pay taxes at all, but take government subsidies” and expect to get your point across. You also don’t have a chance to “catch” someone’s eye, nor vent your frustration at a certain party. Nor can you list your financials on the side of a trailer.

Too much focusing on what really isn’t the real issue here.

Why did Jay omit the salient point of the original article in order to make a weak (and possibly invalid) point about Mr. Jungerman?

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“Saxby is a . . . clown!”

Him and Obama should join Barnum and Baily Circus after 2012 when Obama is voted out.

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williebkind

June 24th, 2010
10:31 am

Not to impede on your exchange with Saul, because I’m really enjoying it, but I don’t think achievement or perfomance matters with the student loan program. The Pell Grant program has standards that have to be met, but Pell Grants are not loans and don’t have to be repaid.

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“know the group that won their lawsuit but have yet to receive their payments”

Keep dreaming.

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willie

Saul is the first to make snarky comments about his OWN typos, etc. He calls himself “-king of all typos and spelling/grammar mistakes! He’s wrong, of course, since I can easily run him a race for that…!

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Saul Good
June 24th, 2010
10:28 am

willie…so the organic garden I have here… it’s “imaginary”???? I sure feel sorry for all the humans that had to grow crops before biogenetics and pesticides were around. I mean…how could one ever have grown a crop WITHOUT any of that?!

umm.. yeah.. try that organic growing on 30,000 acres.. see how poor that makes you

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Saul good……. Education problem……..The problem is the home. Single parents, working parents, indifferent parents, no parents, self indulged parents…….they don’t care, kids won’t. case in point, Washington DC schools. $14,000 per student, per year. Grades getting worse. You could attend almost ANY prep private school in the south for those kind of bucks. Spend 34,000 per kid. won’t matter. The break down of the family is the ROOT. Laugh, ridicule if you like, it’s the truth.

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“Compliance is not compulsory and the program has to make it attractive to participate.”

This is true. Kinda like our income tax system is VOLUNTARY.

To grow SUBSTANTIAL crops and acreage, and to compete in this centrally-planned economy and not go bankrupt, one WILL comply.

Hypocritical or not, the Farmer’s statement is correct.

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1. Federal government subsidizes farmers.
2, You are a farmer and now must compete against other farmers who are getting aid, or go out of business.

What do you choose to do?

The choice is rather clear to most rational people. So why do liberals take that as a chance to say “Aha!” and call it a double standard?

Because it’s just easy.

He is participating in a system he did not create and does not endorse. To not do so means failure. Certainly we can speak out against a system that does not work yet we are all forced to participate in to survive.

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Josef… when I type here…i never proof read until AFTER I hit submit…then when I go back and read it (most of all when one references back to it)…I’m like…ACK!!!!

Mentioned once before that in HS I took typing and dropped out to take Russian Literature…BIG MISTAKE… well… perhaps I should have taken BOTH and dropped something else… like the computer course where learned to make REALLY LONG BANNERS of my favorite bands.

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Mr T pities the fool that dont like farm grown garden veggies.

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Dave: He wasted a few seconds and quite a bit of money per letter on “Democrats- Party of Parasites”…. Short, sweet, and clear what he thinks. He could have written “Taxpayers- Producers” if that is what he meant. Simple as that.

Willie- don’t dish out blame unless you’re willing to take some. Conservatives and the GOP are hardly blameless for our current problems and no more or less able to help solve them. The problem is that they’ve worked themselves into an ideological corner where any debate, discussion, or willingness to work with democrats to sponsor ANYTHING is seen as traitorous. I blame both parties and expect both to work together towards solutions. The GOP isn’t interested in that, at least publicly. It’s all about working against “them dang libruls” and blaming every social ill on them. Funny how many protest government handouts but would storm the capitol if we did away with Social Security or Medicare or farm subsidies…

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For you “intelligent” people who seem to think that
Dems/Repubs are at the root of all problems, the
real issue is our gullibility AND hypocracy!!!

Gullible(or gullable) because we adopt some rich A-hole’s
principles and fight and die for them!!!

Hypocritical because we accept “BIG GOVERNMENT”
when we need it, and we denouce “BIG GOVERNMENT”
when it takes too much in taxes,etc.

Stupid people will always be stupid. I don’t think we
should let stupid,racist,or over the line comments
even make it to press. Will we ever learn?

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josef

You know people are scared of skeletons and stuff. Skeletons are closely related to ghosts…

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Willie, the US doesn’t fee the world.

Maybe if we did, our budget deficits wouldn’t be so bad.

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“A system that they fight with every bit of their power to sustain.”

I noticed someone mentioned the all popular voucher system a little ways up — the one group who doesn’t want to see them? Private schools.

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Actually, @@, a lot of the left, maybe most of it, opposes ethanol subsidies.

So why haven’t you guys put a stop to it, jay? It continues to this day.

The administration sent $23 million to the state offices of the Farm Service Agency in the fall, and is poised to distribute another $514 million.

The Agriculture Department, for its part, says it has no choice but to implement the subsidy the way Congress envisioned it under the 2008 farm bill.

2008? That’s after the dems took over, isn’t it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902023.html

Where, exactly, am I supposed to stick that quarter? If I may suggest…

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RF

June 24th, 2010
10:56 am
Oh I have a lot to blame on the so called conservatives. I think you call them neocons. Liberals in republican disguise.

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josef @ 10:50am…

Thanks…good answer! I think it’s still a bit DEEPER as to what’s been taking place now… but thanks for your thoughtful answer and the “edjumakation” you provided!

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Tell me about it jo… Not to mention the numerous inventions and enhancements that were made in that time. Yet, not too many seem willing to help those who have already helped them.

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Williebkind: Who cares what we call them? Is there ever going to be a chance of the two sides working together on anything? Push and pull and fight, but get things done and quit holding up important legislation because you don’t want the other party to score a win. I’d love to a conservative actually vote FOR a piece of legislation he sponsors after the democrats decide they like it too.

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So does this make the GOP of hypocritical parasites?

(Saxby is a hypocritical coward.)

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“The problem is that they’ve worked themselves into an ideological corner where any debate, discussion, or willingness to work with democrats to sponsor ANYTHING is seen as traitorous.”

Now that is the kettle calling the pot black! However the socialist want a government like Europe and the conservatives want the government founded by our forefathers. The democrats have allowed the liberal socialist to control their party. That means government of the few control the many. Rich liberals will attain freedome for themselves then kick the freedom shut behind them but put a carrot on a stick to maintain control. That is socialism. It is traitorous.

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Now it’s off to eat some fresh, fried, WHOLE clams and scallops at one of my favorite seafood places in Mass.

Trust me, I love you folks (well, most of you), but my stomach and a once-a-year pilgrimage to seafood heaven takes precedence over blogging with you.

Later!

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Jay’s points about the man and the sign is comparing apples to oranges. However, that feeds the democratic plantation workers.

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“OFF TOPIC #1″

Ah, the plot thickens ………………………..

Headline: “GORE – CRAZED SEX POODLE’”

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Bush actually did try to reform this mess, and he had support from folks in both parties.

Heeyyyyyy, my virtual quarter worked.

cha ching!

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Scout @ 11:17

You can spell it, but can you say it? lol!!

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Southern Comfort :

No! Don’t do it! It’s Satanic !

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The free market at work.
Folks complain about everything that is benefical to them and their well-being.
Food, jobs, wages, Social Security, government, schools, education, elections, transportation and on and on and on…

The next problem is going to water; if the corporations gain control of that commodity, does that help us and society in general?

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Good to see you on the ball Jay, this story was on Drudge last week.
I’m not crazy about farm subsidies, but at leaset farmers work for it and they actually produce something we need. His point is obviously referring to the career collectors of free money, but i’m sure that gets lost on those who can’t think.

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a lot of vegetables we buy.. come from south of the border.. they are using pesticides on food down there that is prohibited for use in this country.. yet the same govt that says we are not supposed to use them.. allows for food to come in from somewhere else that did. that alone can add 20% or more to the cost to the farmer for the yield.

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Scout – 11:17 – welp. can’t argue that.

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“The democrats have allowed the liberal socialist to control their party”

… someone forgot to include “commie, pinko, hippie”

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“OFF TOPIC #2″

Iraq is our Korea …………………….

Afghanistan is our Vietnam ……….

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SAUL
You might be surprised to find out that among those I credit with most shaping my life and world view was a Yankee liberal schoolma’arm.

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Union:
“a lot of vegetables we buy.. come from south of the border.. they are using pesticides on food down there that is prohibited for use in this country.. yet the same govt that says we are not supposed to use them.. allows for food to come in from somewhere else that did. that alone can add 20% or more to the cost to the farmer for the yield.”

TRUE!….but actually the MAJORITY of the fruit and vegetables sold in our Krogers and Publix come from other nations…those same ones that use pesticides and practices that were banned here in our nation many years ago…but you forgot one thing..MANY of that produce is “produced” by American Corporations that own the land and pay slave wages in those other lands… that USE the very chemicals that are banned here…and either way…ALL of it is BOUGHT by American Corporations that import it and distribute it. We import WAY more fruit then we grow here…all one needs to do is look at the labels which state WHERE it was grown.

Oh I”m SURE someone will blame this on the liberals. I actually blame BOTH parties…most of all the FDA. Sure…we grow food here…lots and lots of FrankenFood. Yet I suspect that many just don’t care WHERE something was grown when they purchase it. Let alone the wasted OIL and resources it took to ship that same produce here from thousands of miles away. No…I’m not talking about things “exotic” that don’t grow here… I mean…why do we buy ORANGES from South America when we grow them here? Why do we import so many apples? Just look at the “concentrate” Apple Juice sold in most stores and see where they purchased their apples from… and we here? While using much of what we grow…can we NOT offset it by the amount of apples we EXPORT? It truly makes no sense… none at all.

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Jay – of course farmers will fight change with every bit of their power. They are afraid. They don’t like the current system, but the devil you know is better than the one you don’t! I am a rural guy that lives in an area surrounded by farmland. I know these farmers personally. To a man they are all conservative republicans, but each and every one of them takes advantage of the farm subsidy system. They do this out of fear. We aren’t talking about big-city folks that work in IT and can easily move all of their assets from one city to the next in search of a better job opportunity. These are people whose ENTIRE livelihood is tied up in land and farm equipment that is worth millions of dollars. If that business fails, they lose everything.

But none of these folks (even the big farmers in the area) live like kings. Their homes and vehicles are probably less expensive than the vast majority of the people on this blog. Their assets are substantially more than ours, but those assets are used as collateral to take out huge loans that are necessary for the farmer to buy the supplies he needs to plant his crops. They work longer, harder hours than most of us, and they risks they take each year are substantial.

So call them hypocrites if you wish, just try not to do it with a mouthful of food.

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I read your article, but I did not bother to read any of the comments, and yes, he is subsidized by our government, our government gives them out to farmers so that farmers would not grow more crops than what the government thought is needed, its thier way of controlling price. If there was too much corn, then the price of corn goes down, which would mean, less tax money generated for our big brother… This is why they give our farmers these subsidies, to control thier tax revenue..

So what if he received them from our government, the government created the laws, he is just following them, but he also is producing something of substance… instead of sitting at home and not working because of a monthly income provided by our government for nothing!! I would be so ashamed of myself if I received food stamps, welfare, or unemployment, but lazy dumb people gotta eat too right ??

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Scout

People think I’m crazy now because of your 11:21. I couldn’t hold the laugh, and you’ve got me in tears.

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Jackie

June 24th, 2010
11:22 am
The free market at work.
Folks complain about everything that is benefical to them and their well-being.
Food, jobs, wages, Social Security, government, schools, education, elections, transportation and on and on and on…

The next problem is going to water; if the corporations gain control of that commodity, does that help us and society in general?

Too late jackie, our Producers in society already have a utility that we pay for with our hard earned money and it is called, wait for it, ta dah,, WATER !!!

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Where is the blog about Al Gore’s Attempted Rape of a massage therapist ???

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USinUK- Nothing like the good ‘ol 50’s when the women and blacks knew their place….and we knew those Hollywood folks were all in collusion with the Iron Curtain crowd. Geez, now I miss my gas guzzling ‘57 Chevy Bel Air!!

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atlshirt dot (let’ssellstuffherecom)…. said: “I read your article, but I did not bother to read any of the comments, and yes, he is subsidized by our government, our government gives them out to farmers so that farmers would not grow more crops than what the government thought is needed, its thier way of controlling price. If there was too much corn, then the price of corn goes down, which would mean, less tax money generated for our big brother… This is why they give our farmers these subsidies, to control thier tax revenue..”

So let me ask you this…why not let them EXPORT their excess crops? I mean…we IMPORT many and much of our own produce…and I know we export…but with all the starving people in the world…and those that can’t grow what WE can here…why not export it instead of paying the BIGGEST Corporate Owned farms? Seems to me your “logic” is faulty… we’re not talking about crops LOST to floods or drought… we’re talking about the MAJORITY of the $$$ going to big corporations…NOT family farms.

Sad you didn’t read the comments…I know there are many… but perhaps you should read SOME… lot’s of LOGIC that was made by some.

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Southern Comfort:

My pleasure !

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JB @ 10:20 — Well said.

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Let me try my comment again and maybe it won’t get filtered.

How many people who share this man’s strength of view are living on “disability” checks? Rural southern states have two to three times the rate of participation in SSDI and SSI as do states like, say, Colorado. (And yes, SSI is means-tested and can be distributed to individuals who have not paid into Social Security).

Being “on disability” is an acceptable way of life in some communities (I’m related to some of these people). And they talk about it freely because it’s not “welfare”. But it IS a government handout, just from a different program that tries to address the same problem: grinding poverty.

Disability disproportionately affects the very poor. Factors such as lack of adequate medical care, prenatal care, and education, along with poor nutrition, substandard housing, dangerous jobs, etc. lead to chronic health conditions, accidents, and birth defects that are often preventable. This has been known for a long time, and is true globally.

To some in this country it’s totally acceptable to live on the dole when the cumulative effects of a life of poverty have caused bodily harm. But to try to prevent this from occuring in the first place is socialist anathema.

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Do as I say, not as I do.

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Yep, he’s one o’ them “small gubmint” proponents. As in, “Get rid of all gubmint spending that benefits THEM, but if you wanna leave alone what benefits ME, I won’t complain much.”

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TJAtl

June 24th, 2010
12:06 pm
You left out one…laziness.

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Lets do like Jay and play a game.
If you have a producer, what would the government have?
Parasites…..yeahhhhhh…I got it right.

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RF wrote: “Social Security was never intended as a savings account. ”

Typical BS.
Skimming 15.3% off of a worker’s total compensation pretty much prohibits most people from saving the amount that they SHOULD be saving for their own retirement. This forced “contribution” during working years results in forced dependency for that same worker on the government in retirement. Thus, the Democrats force a “contribution” from all workers to pay for someone else’s retirement, and then call those same workers (if they are Republican) “hypocrites” if they accept Social Security and Medicare in retirement (Which they do because they don’t have enough left over after the forced contribution to save for their own retirements). Nice.

I make a decent wage, but I don’t have 15% to contribute to someone else’s retirement (SS and Medicare payroll taxes) AND 15% to contribute to my own. Thus, I am a hypocrite because I will need Social Security because the government has crippled my ability to provide for myself.

This is the Jay Bookman/Democrat way of thinking.

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Why are the sheep panicking?
Why is this system so bad now?
Why do we need to take back this country?
We don’t own this country,rich landords do.
When/Why did this “sky is falling” mantra come
into being? Could it be because there is an
unfamiliar/unwanted face in The White House?

What’s the next emergency that Conservative windbags
are going to “alert” us of? The Magna Carta. Oh no,
Liberals/Open-Minded HUMAN BEINGS are thinking
about this idea of The Emancipation Proclamation! We’ve
got to stop this now before these slaves will ask for rights
and equal treatment!

“Big Government” is the reason we/Blacks aren’t in slavery.
“Big Government” fights wars, not Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck,or John Wayne.
“Big Government” is Ronald Reagan,GHW Bush,BJ Clinton,GW Bush.
How did the Government become too big right when it became apparent that
a MINORITY LIBERAL WAS GOING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.

Our problems didn’t start in 2008, this is 200+years in the making.

WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED ONE DAY. Don’t let ignorance and hatred
keep America down.

Go Gamecocks!!!!

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williebkind

Yes, there are plenty of lazy rednecks “on disability”. That’s mainly what I wrote my comment about.

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“Work hard – millions on welfare depend on you!”

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“Big Government” is the reason we/Blacks aren’t in slavery.
“Big Government” fights wars, not Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck,or John Wayne.
“Big Government” is Ronald Reagan,GHW Bush,BJ Clinton,GW Bush.

1. Wrong. The prevaliing will of a majority of the people of this country is the reason Blacks are no longer in slavery. Slaves were emancipated by “big government” proclamation long before the will of the people prevailed and they were physically released from the bonds of slavery.

2. Wrong. People fight wars. The war and the people may be managed/conducted by big government, but the government doesn’t fight the wars, people do. If everyone involved stopped fighting there wouldn’t be any war; this actually happens at times.

3. Wrong. These people are or were not dictators. Our “Big government” is a creation of the American people through constitutional processes.

Look, the blame for our big government ills lies stricly on the backs of voters. Voters can fix the problems; they [up to this point] lack the will. If we aren’t diligent we may all too soon lack the means, even if the will exists.

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” bet the same rednecks living “on disability” listen to Glenn Beck and think Sarah Palin is the second coming, and don’t remotely see conflict in this.”

If they listen to Beck and Palin then they are really disabled. Do you have a problem with ADA? You helped millions receive money and put employers through great expense.

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TJAtl:

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: \ˈred-ˌnek\
Function: noun
Date: 1830
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks

Disparaging:
Date: 14th century
1 : to lower in rank or reputation : degrade
2 : to depreciate by indirect means (as invidious comparison) : speak slightingly about

Is this not the same as the “N” word?

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Dear Mr. Bookman,
So do you propose ending all farm subsidies? I’m sure the farmers and consumers of food (uh, that’s everyone) would like to know the effects of that.

Do you believe farm subsidies are ‘handouts’ as you imply?

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private sector: what would you suggest we do, enact the death panels and throw Grandma out with the trash? Social Security is supported by both sides of the political fence as a means of taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves. It’s not, nor ever was intended to be like your retirement plan or 401K. The reason most people don’t save is because they try to live beyond their means. And FYI, SS tax is only about 6% of your pay. Check your paystub, it’s called FICA. I love my parents dearly, but I’m glad I don’t have to foot the bill for their retirement years. The medical costs alone would bankrupt me!

Some of the rest of the taxes we pay are what bothers most people. But, let’s face it, without some type of government to argue about, we wouldn’t have the country we have. And we all hope it will be there when we need it- look at the current outcry over government taking over, and footing the bill for, the oil rig mess BP caused. You can’t have a government that is absent from all things except what we want them for. It needs improvement, no doubt about it!

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Do you know who the luckiest man in the world is?……….John McCain.

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Mr. Jungerman may be a hypocrite but he is absolutely correct….

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These old farts sit around listening to Neal Boortz and Rush Limbaugh all day and then go out and spread that horse manure around like it’s freakin’ peanut butter. Face it, entitlements are fifty percent of the federal budget. They go to the rich and the poor.

Find something else to get torqued about, like $10 billion a month for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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I think you all missed Jay’s point: The man is a hypocrite, just like many of you.

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Sandra

June 24th, 2010
3:33 pm
No Sandra you missed the point!

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C’mon Jay, let’s be “fair and balanced” here. I mean, the guy’s just been listening to too much Hannity and Limbaugh here, that’s all. It’s not his fault.

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There’s a word here that best describes these people…Starts with a H ends with a crite. Looks like the baggers need another dunking

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When the people learn they can vote themselves money from the public purse any democracy will
fail…..(paraphrasing somebody)

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The gentleman in the story was speaking of the people who make it there job not to produce. Everyone needs help once in a while. The parasites in this country have never worked and make a living off of Welfare. He is correct.

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williebkind
June 24th, 2010
3:50 pm

Speaking of Rush, a congressman was really upset because Rush repeated what liberals had advised the homeless and hungry to do, “dumpster dive!” The liberals have a manuel for it. Yeah, I just have to vote conservative, again. You know how hard that is for a democrat.

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“The liberals have a manuel for that.” The liberals have a guy with a Spanish given name for that?

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A hypocritical Republinazi? How quaint!

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Well, after so many hours of scrutiny from the media, has this old goat finally told Big Government to just get out of the way of commerce and let the free market determine the right price for his goods?

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