A self-made man of independence takes his stand
David Jungerman is a 72-year-old Missouri farmer — a rather cantankerous 72-year old Missouri farmer. Not long ago, he hired someone to paint a pithy message on the side of an old trailer.
“Are you a producer or parasite,” the sign reads. “Democrats — party of parasites.”
Then Jungerman planted the trailer on his property along U.S. 71 south of Kansas City, where thousands could see it every day, because he wanted to protest those who “always have their hand out for whatever the government will give them.”
Some didn’t like it. At least one jerk didn’t like it a lot, and tried to burn it down. Twice. Local Democratic leaders have condemned the attempted arson.
But as it turns out, this stalwart champion of personal independence, this stubborn opponent of government handouts, has himself sought out and received federal handouts. And not just a little. Since 1995, the Kansas City Star reports, Jungerman has collected more than $1 million in federal farm subsidies. He of course claims that his case is different. It’s just his own tax money coming back to him, you see?
And now you know … the rest of the story. Good day!
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Citizen of the World
June 24th, 2010
9:18 am
NIF, FYI, educated, hard-working (except when I’m on this blog) liberal right here.
Republicans like to perpetuate the notion that Democrats are all poor, uneducated welfare bums, and not to say that there aren’t those types out there, but the truth is Democrats are often the working poor at one end of the spectrum and well-educated on the other end of the spectrum. And we’re talking liberal arts education, which means well-educated enough to know that there’s a lot they don’t know.
My stereotypical view of Republicans is that they’re either high-school educated, college-drop-out blue collar working stiffs whose distrust of long-haired intellectual types is encouraged by the likes of Limbaugh and Beck, or they’re MBA/Engineer types who don’t have quite enough real education to realize they don’t know everything.
I’m sure there are exceptions (my spouse, for example, is a liberal engineer, but he’s the only one he knows).
Normal
June 24th, 2010
9:18 am
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:15 am
hey Bosch – so, who is the US playing on Sunday??
We’ve got Germany (I’m already practicing the official cheer “2 world wars and 1 world cup … doo-dah … doodah”)
Too cool!
If we play UK, then what will the cheer be?
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:19 am
It’s OK for the Republicans to complain about others getting a handout but OH NO… not the Democrats…
Kamchak
June 24th, 2010
9:19 am
If you don’t want people to think that you…
Who granted you the authority to speak for others?
Normal
June 24th, 2010
9:20 am
I’m da man…numer one on number two
(GAWD, I hope I’m on the potty)
Normal
June 24th, 2010
9:20 am
Dang, Citiuzen! How’d you slip in there?
Jay
June 24th, 2010
9:22 am
Dave R. you believe that this guy has paid the feds MORE than $1 million in taxes since ‘95?
Really?
If he’s making that much profit from farming 6,800 acres, then what on earth does he need subsidies for?
Sorry, it doesn’t add up. Not even close.
stands for decibels
June 24th, 2010
9:22 am
Project Much…
Nothing says “whole wit” quite like asserting the Other Guy has his head up a President’s rectum. Believe NIF swiped that from one of Dorothy Parker’s short stories.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:22 am
Jay
Which is why I find it so depressingly frustrating. Given the staunch Republican support over the years, nothing will change if Reps get a majority in November. Even bringing in some hardcore tea party types won’t provide the muscle (or seniority) to get this changed.
_________________________________________________
Why all the support? Aside from serving constituents, it’s serving constituents who are rich. Who donate to reelection campaigns. Who get others to donate. Let’s see… is there a way to break the cycle of donations, contributions, influence peddling? Golly gee, it’s all innocent free speech….
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:23 am
Normal – “If we play UK, then what will the cheer be?”
I asked my guy, Dave (who knows all the football cheers and songs) – he said there isn’t one.
we’ll have to see what happens in the next couple of weeks … RE-MATCH! RE-MATCH! RE-MATCH!
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:24 am
dB – “Believe NIF swiped that from one of Dorothy Parker’s short stories.”
dude. DP is sooooooooo gonna haunt you, now.
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:24 am
Hi USinUK,
We got Ghana. They beat us in the group stage in ‘06 – and I hear they have done nothing but gotten better and better since then, so our victory may be short lived, but it was fun!!!
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:25 am
USinUK,
Everyone needs a “Dave” in their life.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:25 am
one game at a time, Bosch … you guys tied us, so anything can happen!!
Dave R.
June 24th, 2010
9:26 am
Citizen: “or they’re MBA/Engineer types who don’t have quite enough real education to realize they don’t know everything.”
People who think they know it all really tick off those of us who do . . .
Lord Help Us
June 24th, 2010
9:26 am
Bosch, ‘Everyone needs a “Dave” in their life.’
Does my Mother in law count…
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:27 am
Bosch – yeah – he’s a former footballer – I think played for Leeds … the man knows all things footie. and cricket. my other coworker knows all things rugby, so I’m pretty much set.
Citizen of the World
June 24th, 2010
9:27 am
You know, those who “pay no taxes” only don’t pay federal income taxes. They pay plenty of other taxes — sales, payroll, etc. And, on the wages they make, if they did pay federal income taxes they would have even less left over to even begin to meet their basic needs of food, shelter, clothing, utilities, transportation, etc. The fact that they don’t make enough to meet their expenses is why they have a hand out. Mr. Jungerman isn’t hungry or cold, so what’s his excuse?
I would rather these working poor people be able to keep more of their money and let those of us who have an abundance shoulder more of the tax burden that’s required to have the kind of civilized, orderly society we enjoy.
There are countries out there without a progressive tax structure, but I bet not one of us would trade our lives in the good ol’ US of A for life if one of those places.
jt
June 24th, 2010
9:27 am
In the leftist world, Mr. Jungermann is just an ungrateful wrench for not realizing the benefits of centralized authority.. Anyone that critizises the benevolent effort of the federal government (social security, medicaid, etc…..) is the same. Ungrateful. The fact that the subjects HAVE NO CHOICE of these benefits is irrelevant.
This propogandist tactic was popular during the last years of the USSR.
Kamchak
June 24th, 2010
9:28 am
USinUK
FIFA says that our match is on Saturday against Ghana.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2010
9:29 am
Let me spell it out for you guys…
G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T
I-N-C-O-M-P-E-T-E-N-C-E
and waste.
. . . wrote the lady who advocated screwing the government and whose husband took full advantage of the car credit.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:29 am
Bosch – speaking of rugby – saw Invictus over the weekend.
meh. (which surprised me)
and I attribute it to the score – it was like Eastwood couldn’t decide on a stirring, high-brow score … or traditional south african music … or pop … and it totally wrecked the mood.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:30 am
Dave R.
“citing Mr. Jungerman’s opposition to those who do not pay ANY taxes, yet receive handouts”
So where does this line of reasoning go? That in order to qualify for welfare (government assistance) people need to first pay taxes?!!?
Or that the level of welfare benefits is determined by the amount of taxes paid?!!? So a millionaire who pays taxes gets welfare, while an unemployed factory worker whose unemployment benefits have run out does not get assistance?
And…. if Mr. Whatshisname did not pay more than a million in taxes those years, yet he received more than a million in welfare, he’s in effect paid no taxes, so under your scheme, he doesn’t qualify for assistance!
’sides which, I’d wager Mr. Assistance Recipient didn’t pay the taxes anyhow. I’ll bet he runs a corporation. So it’s really another corporate welfare subsidy, eh?
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:31 am
Disgusted – 9:29 – not to mention, if the IRS inspector FOUND the problems, then it actually ISN’T government incompetence.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:32 am
“an ungrateful wrench ”
best malapropism of the day
Scout
June 24th, 2010
9:32 am
Jay:
Surely, you know the difference between someone who give “&” takes vs. someone who only takes?
You take everyday too ……… fire protection, police protection, roads, etc. but you also “produce” !
BTW: I think the military should adopt a “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy for general officers who voted for Obama. It’s looks bad for their career to have to admit such a thing.
stands for decibels
June 24th, 2010
9:33 am
UnU @ 9.24, too late: she already does.
Anyway, much as we’d like to think this artist’s rendering is an accurate depiction of Bookmaniacs gathering to solve the world’s problems, sadly, the truth is somewhat less glamorous.
DEEP THROAT
June 24th, 2010
9:33 am
Of gourse Jay and all you pea brain libs are only attacking this person because thats what libs do. You act on half truthes, when a farmer receives subsidy, it is a grant to assist a private operator in serving the public. So in other words that $1 million plus Jay mentioned, whose pockets did it help ? Dare I say all of ours when we buy groceries. You people just pew hatred toward anyone who speaks out against your ideology.
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:34 am
LHU,
The “Dave” I mean is the fun loving guy who knows everything about a particular subject — or more — movies (from the dawn of cinematography), music, and sports… I have a “Dave” but his name is actually Mike.
Dave R.
June 24th, 2010
9:35 am
Jay: “If he’s making that much profit from farming 6,800 acres, then what on earth does he need subsidies for? Sorry, it doesn’t add up. Not even close.”
Again, I agree on the subsidies part. However, even I can’t come up with a scenario where this government isn’t inefficient enough to send this guy that much money, to the tune of $66k per year for 15 years, if he isn’t producing a heck of a lot of whatever he’s producing.
So if he’s producing a boatload of – whatever – which justifies that much in subsidies, he’s got to be paying a boatload of taxes each year as well.
But let’s focus on the crux of my post, shall we?
Why did you omit the primary point of Mr. Jungerman’s complaint in your screed? By doing so, you changed the entire tenor of the actual story in order to make a weak point seem better.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:36 am
@@
Are you still confined? “Please turn me loose at 9:15.” Can we call you The Bondage Queen?
Lord Help Us
June 24th, 2010
9:37 am
Bosch, my bad. The ‘Dave’ here is the one that reminds me of my mother in law…I do not need any of those in my life…
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:38 am
dB – I tried reading her biography, but got too depressed about half-way in. they did a biopic about her, Mrs Parker and the Vicious Circle starring Jennifer Jason Leigh – she did a great job – particularly when she recited “Resume” at a party –
Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smell awful;
You might as well live.
I highly recommend
Jay
June 24th, 2010
9:38 am
Because without government subsidies, farmers would stop growing crops, Deep Throat?
Interesting theory. Let’s see:
Farmers stop growing crops, food prices soar as a result, now there’s lots of money to be made growing crops, but still the farmers refuse because … they don’t get subsidies?
Like I said, interesting theory. You got a name for it? Because I could think of a few….
Keep up the good fight!
June 24th, 2010
9:39 am
Oh yes… the republicans and tea baggins are only upset with those who pay apparently have never paid any taxes but receive some “social program” and not another program that “assists the private sector” (really Deep Throat, you may want to swallow that). So programs that support working families that may need additional assistance (food stamps, childcare credtis) are not at issue because working people pay taxes. Unemployment compensation is not a problem because those people have paid taxes for coverage in the past. Now which progams are they upset with?
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:39 am
USinUK,
I really, really, really do not like inspirational sports movies. I put those right up there with romantic comedies (although Notting Hill was pretty good – I liked Spike in that flick).
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:40 am
“only attacking this person because thats what libs do”
something tells me Monsieur Gorge hasn’t looked at the picture.
or, if he did, the irony of his statement escapes even him.
stands for decibels
June 24th, 2010
9:40 am
best malapropism of the day
Someone left a Spaniard in the works.
Later, all.
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:41 am
LHU,
Yeah, I purposefully omitted OUR Dave. He’s not like the stereotypical Dave, although he can be fun….he just THINKS he knows everything, but we know better.
[Okay, Dave, hit me with a clown]
Outhouse GoKart
June 24th, 2010
9:41 am
Many farmers are paid not to grow crops.
jt
June 24th, 2010
9:42 am
“an ungrateful wrench ”
best malapropism of the day
Alas, the Hat tip for this acyrologia belongs solely to the State (now defunct) of the USSR.
It worked nicely for them.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:42 am
Bosch – I’m a total sucker for the Inspirational Sports Movie – they get me everytime. Hoosiers. Seabiscuit. you name it – yeah, you know the story, but it’s still fun to watch.
you might want to try a little movie called The Power of One – it’s not really a sports movie as it is a movie that involves boxing (rather than being about boxing). I think you’ll like it.
Dave R.
June 24th, 2010
9:43 am
Paul, I think it is a point to make that Mr. Jungerman actually produces something each year for consumption, while he is complaining about those who apparently (in his mind) do not.
Again, I am not taking sides in the who pays taxes issue. That is almost as volatile an issue as religion or abortion.
My issue is with Jay omitting the salient point of Mr. Jungerman’s argument that was in the other paper, thereby attempting to vilify Mr. Jungerman for something that may not exist.
Lord Help Us
June 24th, 2010
9:44 am
OGK, ‘Many farmers are paid not to grow crops.’
Welcome to the conversation, Capt. Obvious…
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:44 am
Deep Throat
“So in other words that $1 million plus Jay mentioned, whose pockets did it help ? Dare I say all of ours when we buy groceries.”
So you support farm subsidies because… you like the idea of people paying taxes to give to farmers to keep prices at lower than market rates (not a free market guy, eh?) so you can pay less when you buy groceries?
So you’re all in favor of welfare for yourself?
Dave R.
June 24th, 2010
9:45 am
Ok, Bosch, you asked for it . . .
Clowns!
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:45 am
Is Disgusted, Mrs. Godzilla?
. . . wrote the lady who advocated screwing the government and whose husband took full advantage of the car credit.
Gosh darn it! I believed what Obama told me…I was stimalatin’ the economy. /snark/
Helped out two less fortunate individuals–the ones that Obama didn’t think about when he ordered the seizing up of engines on perfectly good vehicles.
KMA!!!!!!
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:45 am
“an ungrateful wrench ”
I winched when I read that too, USinUK.
Jay
June 24th, 2010
9:46 am
Because Dave, as I’ve pointed out , his point was never valid. He is taking more than he is paying in taxes, probably a lot more. He is doing just what he condemns, only on a larger scale.
Also, as Union so kindly pointed out by citing the Conservation Reserve Program, some of these subsidies are paid so farmers do nothing. They get paid for NOT planting. The more they don’t do, the more they get.
I’m also curious about your embrace of a system in which the federal government uses tax money to pay a private producer to produce things to be sold in the private market. You seem to think it’s OK, since he’s actually producing things.
Well, we in the newspaper industry produce things. Maybe the gov’t ought to subsidize us? (Note: I am very much against that idea, as is every journalist I know. Times are tough, but will never be THAT tough.) Or how about Detroit? You cool with taxpayer subsidy of every car that comes off the line? Because after all, they’ll be producing things.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:47 am
Dave R.
Thanks for the explanation. I do have difficulty with the idea that well-to-do taxpayers should get welfare because they’re producing something. Seems to me the actual number of people who produce nothing and get welfare for their entire lives is quite small, especially after Pres Clinton’s welfare reform. People hit rough patches in their lives, get assistance, then get off assistance and on with their lives.
For people like Mr. Jungerman, receiving government subsidies/payments/assistance/welfare seems to be a lifelong event.
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:47 am
Let’s face it people. When the GOPers say they hate government handouts, they only mean the poor people on “welfare (even though they can never name a program where people get money for not working).” They overlook all the “handouts” they get because, well that’s different, they work and are better than those people who get “welfare.”
Jay
June 24th, 2010
9:48 am
In many cases, Paul, it’s even more perverse than that.
We pay farmers NOT to grow, and in other cases pay them not to sell what they’ve grown, to keep food prices HIGH.
We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:48 am
Perhaps this guy thinks that Wall Street is home to the nation’s Democrats.
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:48 am
Paul:
Call me whatever you like. I’m easy going up to a point.
(ISH)
Lord Help Us
June 24th, 2010
9:49 am
One thing about parasites…they HATE other parasites…
Saw this on the Discovery Channel…
Scooter
June 24th, 2010
9:49 am
stands for decibels
June 24th, 2010
9:33 am
I did not see myself in that depiction. I’ll see what I can come up with! lol
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
9:51 am
hee hee hee….
I love the appologists, always able to find reason for someone’s actions when they are not really defendable from their own point of view. Sure that guy pays taxes, but if he’s paying that much in taxes, his income should be enough that he doesn’t need the subsidies anyway. If his income is that high and he needs the subsidies to survive, then he needs to take a business management course or two.
Those who pay no Federal taxes make up for it with sales, fuel, and other taxes. Somebody needs to formulate a new argument point because that one is dying a horrible death.
Midori
June 24th, 2010
9:51 am
and this surprises anyone?
The right is right full of hypocrites.
Do as I say, not as I do.
And if you do do what I do, I’m going to yell long and hard.
Idiots.
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:52 am
“even though they can never name a program where people get money for not working”
I must correct myself – apparently farmers can get money for not working. Okay.
Scooter (the Original)
June 24th, 2010
9:52 am
Well that changes my world view… I am no longer for personal responsibility. I love how liberals create the programs and then insinuate hypocrisy if a conservative takes advantage of them, pretty sad.
Scout
June 24th, 2010
9:53 am
Leech would be a better descriptor ………… it sounds worse.
JB
June 24th, 2010
9:53 am
Just saw This A.M. on this AJC web site where OUR FEDERAL Government gave 30 Million dollars to inmates in prison on the Home Tax Credit program that just ended through a scam……………………………………AND WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO RUN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM !!!!!!!!!!!! I hope EVERY GOP ad this fall in every house election runs in their ads the blip of Pelosi saying ” we’ve got to pass it to see what’s in it” GEEZ !
DEEP THROAT
June 24th, 2010
9:53 am
Jay that farmer and all the other farmers provide a service, they receive subsidies to off set cost so that you may go to the grocery store and buy food products at an affordable price. Now, the farmers have a choice, they could not receive subsidies and raise prices so they may make a living, or God forbid make a profit. You are ok with farmers making a profit aren’t you Jay?
They could stop receiving subsidies and go out of business, then we can buy all of our food from other countries and let them dictate food prices. You don’t want us producing our on fuel, I’m begining to think you just want the US to be a weaker player in the world market.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
9:54 am
He creates jobs and value for the community, and is highly taxed, as all producers are. The moochers do not produce anything of value, they only produce little moochers..I wish all food bought with foodstamps caused sterility, special green tins in special welfare stores. They ARE parasites. Leeches..no, a leech has some medicinal value, a ghetto dwelling parasite does not.
Cekker
June 24th, 2010
9:54 am
“In many cases, Paul, it’s even more perverse than that.
We pay farmers NOT to grow, and in other cases pay them not to sell what they’ve grown, to keep food prices HIGH.
We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”
Policies courtesy of your federal government, you know, the one Jay loves to defend so much.
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
9:54 am
Actually, this administration is addressing some of the farm industry issues:
USDA Proposes Tougher Meat Industry Antitrust Rules
The Obama administration on Friday proposed new antitrust rules for meat companies that reflect a willingness by the USDA to shift the balance of power between farmers and processors and to regulate an industry long dominated by a handful of corporate giants.
The rules would place the sharpest limits on meat companies since the Great Depression, drastically lowering the bar that farmers and ranchers must meet to sue companies whom they accuse of demanding unfairly low prices.
This is to help out the small farmers who raise the animals from birth until they are shipped to the feed lots.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/18/usda-meat-industry-antitrust_n_618084.html
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:54 am
Scooter,
No, what’s sad is when the programs are created, demonized by conservatives, yet they take advantage of them.
Rightwing Troll
June 24th, 2010
9:54 am
“I would say that you should be crying right now, if you actually had the intelligence to understand what a horrible decision you made last year in the voting booth.”
Sadly the hugely massive point you choose to ignore here in your angry “get off my lawn” rants is the fact that we were forced into that “horrible decision” by your two previous “horrible decisions”… cause and effect…
Would you or any of your tard friends care to explain how this trailer painting, subsidy gobbling, hypocrite on the dole is being forced to pay taxes “at the end of a gun”?
Perhaps in your addled state that’s too much to ask.
I’d also like to know how Obama is “destroying the gulf”? It’s an industrial accident, best handled by the free market, no?
JB
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
George Bush is a brain surgeon compared to Obama….Really, he is. This guy is clueless.
Scooter
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
My computer skills are limited DB,try this!
http://www.google.com/search?q=yosemite+sam&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
“I love how liberals create the programs and then insinuate hypocrisy if a conservative takes advantage of them, pretty sad”
wow. did you hear the point as it went WHOOSHING by???
that he took advantage of the program isn’t the problem.
that he calls people who accept government handouts “parasites” while he does exactly that is the topic of today’s blog.
welcome to the conversation.
Dave R.
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
“I’m also curious about your embrace of a system in which the federal government uses tax money to pay a private producer to produce things to be sold in the private market. You seem to think it’s OK, since he’s actually producing things.”
Jay, please try actually READING what I post sometime, would ya?
I have stated twice in posts today, and in previous posts on this blog, that I DO NOT SUPPORT SUBSIDIES OF ANY KIND for farmers (or for that matter, anyone) from any government entity.
Is that possibly clear enough for you?
And to your other response, “He is taking more than he is paying in taxes, probably a lot more”, that is a fact not in evidence, Jay, therefore it is merely speculation on your part.
Now again, why did you omit the salient point in the article from one paper in order to make your weak one here?
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
Jay
Topics like this cause Excedrin stock to soar.
@@
If you’re easy up to a point, does that mean you qualify for subsidies? (I another SH)
How’s the pool doing this year? Mine registered 93 degrees yesterday. So much for cooling off.
Off to the gym – later
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
9:55 am
“AND WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO RUN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM !!!!!!!!!!!!”
NO, WE’RE NOT, AND IF YOU READ ANY NEWSPAPER ARTICLE IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS, YOU’D KNOW THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
9:56 am
Jay says “We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”
FARMERS did not come up with this system, mr. B, your beloved GOVERMENT did.
Scooter
June 24th, 2010
9:56 am
Ooops, didn’t work to good.
Soothsayer
June 24th, 2010
9:57 am
A “producer” is a “parasite” with opportunity.
Unemployment claims drop
There were 457,000 initial jobless claims filed in the week ended June 19, down 19,000 from a revised 476,000 in the previous week, the Labor Department said.
Only 457,000. That’s good news? Isn’t it?
joan
June 24th, 2010
9:57 am
Sure oldsters do take the Medicare and social security they have paid in on all their lives. I have paid the maximum social security for the last 43 years, and have just started collecting the amount due me now. I only wish I could have just kept what I paid in, because I would have more. I don’t see where paying almost half my income in taxes every year all these years could possibly make me a parasite. I do think some people who have never paid in and get social security should not. What this guy and I are talking about are those who have never worked or contributed anything to society or to taxes, and just sit around and eat food other people have paid for and you know it. They, and illegals, are parasites, and vermin.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:58 am
“We pay taxpayers money to farmers so we can pay more at the supermarket.”
NO!
we pay them taxpayer money so that they can stay in business, making sure that the US never becomes dependent on another country for our food, you numpties.
criminey.
@@
June 24th, 2010
9:58 am
We subsidize the government to perpetuate fraud.
moonbat betty
June 24th, 2010
9:58 am
Who is this guy?
Was he featured on Oprah and/or Dr. Phil “Old Angry Whiteman’s disease and related Teabaqqing Compulsions”?
We need to be more cuturally diverse and import our food from China, Cuba, India and Saudi Arabia.
Time to stop paying the way for these lazy redneck farmers who never do an honest days work.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
9:58 am
Bosch
I’m glad I stayed long enough to read your succinct “No, what’s sad is when the programs are created, demonized by conservatives, yet they take advantage of them.”
What’s the phrase? “Polite Soccer Clap”?
And watch your blood pressure at 9:55, ‘k? Gonna need another mile on your jog to wind that down -
DEEP THROAT
June 24th, 2010
9:58 am
Jay, we in the newspaper industry produce things, yeah maybe you should receive subsidies, after all what you produce could put you in the catagory of a farmer.
Rightwing Troll
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
Who, exactly, is the biggest supporter of Farm subsidies?
Finn McCool
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
ghetto dwelling parasite does not.
There’s your sign…
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
Paul –
“Topics like this cause Excedrin stock to soar”
jeebus on a jetski, you just said a mouthful.
jconservative
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
And a few days ago you had several Congressmen wanting the USA taxpayers to give some money to BP to help them clean up the oil spill.
Welfare by any other name is welfare. You can put lipstick on a pig but………………..!
Mr. Jungerman is on welfare!
TaxPayer
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
So, the message from the “conservatives” is that we must get rid of certain handouts but keep certain others because those that deserve handouts actually earned them. Unless it is a charitable, tax deductible handout that was given unselfishly out of the kindness of one’s heart with no expectations of anything in return. But that’s different.
NowReally
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
I’ll make mud pies for $1 million in subsidies.
Southern Comfort
June 24th, 2010
9:59 am
DEEP THROAT
June 24th, 2010
9:53 am
It’s obvious that you’re a supporter of subsidies i.e. welfare based on that post. You should run for Congress.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
10:00 am
Sen Tom Harkin, DEMOCRAT, Iowa
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
10:00 am
“What’s the phrase? “Polite Soccer Clap”?”
no. such. thing.
Paul
June 24th, 2010
10:01 am
laissez
“FARMERS did not come up with this system, mr. B, your beloved GOVERMENT did.”
So you’re implying farmers spend zero dollars and exert no other influence to keep the programs going and preserve them with no cuts?
joe
June 24th, 2010
10:01 am
I have never taken anything from the govt. Even when I lost my job, I did not collect unemployment. I worked two part time jobs to pay the bills. So, that gives me the right to say that the farmers message is 100% on the money, even if he did take a govt handout…but weren’t those given to all farmers?? At most, this makes him a bit hypocritical, but still, right on the money.
Scout
June 24th, 2010
10:01 am
Jay:
Ever had a leech on you?
I’ve had plenty …………. they’re kind of hard to get off because they like it where they are (sound familiar?). You have to get a little tough with the tip of a lit cigarette or some military issue insect repellant ………. but it works.
Now, if we could just figure out a way …………………….
Bosch
June 24th, 2010
10:01 am
“your beloved GOVERMENT did.”
And backed heavily by Saxby Chambliss – so SPQR, are you ready to say that Chambliss sucks? Did you vote for him? I didn’t for the very reason that he prostitutes himself to the Big Ag companies.
USinUK
June 24th, 2010
10:02 am
Paul – and you seem to forget – the majority of the states in question are red. red. RED.
just who do they think the farmers taking advantage of the subsidies are?
Disgusted
June 24th, 2010
10:03 am
we pay them taxpayer money so that they can stay in business, making sure that the US never becomes dependent on another country for our food, you numpties.
And to keep some of the smaller farmers in business, so that our food supply isn’t totally dependent on the actions of a few Archer Daniels Midlands.
Rightwing Troll
June 24th, 2010
10:03 am
Yet another in a long line of examples of “do what I say…” from the fambly values crowd…
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 24th, 2010
10:04 am
As for the so called BP appology, even the republicans f’ed this one up. Barton did not appologize to BP that they have liability in this case.. he appologized for the demonization of a private corporate citizen, and the chicago mafia style shakedown that went far beyond the legal liability system of torts into “you do this now or I will use my office to break you” thuggery.
And the $20 billion is a slush fund, steny Hoyer already said its ok to dip into those funds to help pay for Obamacare.