A lot of damage in Gulf can’t be counted, compensated

Allen Kruse ran a charter-boat operation out of Gulf Shores, Ala., taking tourists and fisherman out to fishing grounds now closed because of the oil spill. Even after the leak is sealed and the oil disappears, the chance that the fish will reappear in numbers large enough to sustain that kind of livelihood looks pretty dim.

The Washington Post tells the rest of the story:

Two weeks and two days ago, with his fishing grounds closed, Kruse, 55, took a job working for BP’s cleanup crew. For the very people who’d caused the mess.

Other boat captains said Kruse, like them, found the effort confusing, overly bureaucratic and frustrating. He told them to keep their heads down, not to worry about the hassles. But those close to him saw he was losing weight.

On Wednesday morning, Kruse drove to his boat as usual. As the deckhands prepared for the day’s work, Kruse, as the captain, was supposed to turn on the generator. But after a few minutes, the crew members said, they didn’t hear anything and went looking for him. A deckhand found him in the wheelhouse, shot in the head.

… Thad Stewart, a friend who works at the Orange Beach, Ala., marina where Kruse docked his boat, said he noticed a difference about the time Kruse went to work for BP. “He stopped talking. That’s all there is to it. He stopped talking,” Stewart said. “I’m not saying that this was the cause of it . . . but he was seeing what was his home, which was the Gulf of Mexico, just be slowly destroyed.”

Frank Kruse, his identical twin brother who is a probate lawyer in Mobile, Ala., said his brother was waiting for about $70,000 in payments from BP for working two of his boats for the past two weeks. “There’s no question in my mind that this is directly related to the oil spill,” Frank Kruse said in a phone interview Wednesday night. “He had been losing weight. Every day he was worried.”

He said his brother “was very, very upset at the way BP was handling the oil spill. There was a lot of wasted money, a lot of wasted time. They’d give him a different story of what needed to be done.”

I guess Allen Kruse didn’t think he’d ever get his life back.

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Matilda

June 24th, 2010
11:25 am

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2010
11:27 am

But after a few minutes, the crew members said, they didn’t hear anything and went looking for him. A deckhand found him in the wheelhouse

…f–king hell.

Peadawg

June 24th, 2010
11:27 am

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2010
11:34 am

From the linked piece.

“We’re helping cover up the lie. We’re burying ourselves. We’re helping them cover up the [expletive] that’s putting us out of work,” said a 27-year-old deckhand who was working for Kruse on Wednesday and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Jay, last I heard (reported on Democracy Now few weeks back), BP was requiring anyone working for them to agree not to talk to the press as a condition for employment.

I really wish the AJC would follow up on that. I’m sure such gag orders are SOP for a lot of contracts, but given the magnitude of this disaster, I think it’s unconscionable.

Off to finish reading the WaPo…

godless heathen

June 24th, 2010
11:36 am

BP shot him?

NowReally

June 24th, 2010
11:38 am

Truly sad. There is an online interview today where an employee talks about the BP location in Alaska. For all those who would like to keep drilling on land and off shore, it’s really very interesting to hear what an employee has to say about safety expectations. I think I saw it on MSNBC or CNN’s website.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
11:41 am

Sad. This is but the tip of the iceberg.

Paul

June 24th, 2010
11:42 am

Tragic, to have such despair and hopelessness.

Gets back to my question from the other day. So BP is held accountable for lost incomes. But what of those whose jobs never come back? Or that somewhat recover, but at lower levels? Should not BP and its shareholders be responsible for more than a one or two-year window of payments? I think so.

USinUK

June 24th, 2010
11:42 am

His poor family (and friends) …

but, hey, at least the moratorium has been lifted!

drill, baby drill.

oy.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
11:43 am

“BP shot him?”

It had already killed him dead as doornail.

Scooter

June 24th, 2010
11:44 am

What has happened to this man’s life is bad. But I can’t feel sorry for someone that takes his own life. I lost my lifetime career and as a result I lost my wife also.I was devistated but I picked up the pieces and carried on. Life is like a box of chocolates……….RIP Mr. Kruse

jconservative

June 24th, 2010
11:45 am

Tough situation.

People are out of work because of the oil spill. People are out of work because of the deep drilling moratorium.

Think of it as the food chain and suddenly the first food in the chain is gone and everything above that level starves.

@@

June 24th, 2010
11:52 am

Glad to know that the churches are there for the community. A strong faith has gotten those folks thru a lot of hard times.

It’s sad to read that Mr. Kruse lost his ability to cope. Coping skills, the secret to a long and prosperous life.

Tom Ard, another fishing boat captain, knew Kruse for 25 years.

“I could tell he was having a hard time coping,” said Ard, president of the Orange Beach Fishing Association. Kruse was on its board of directors.

Ard said BP has done everything it said it would do and that despite setbacks and delays, “they have been working hard to make things right.”

Two different perspectives. Which one best serves?

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2010
11:52 am

“Think of it as the food chain and suddenly the first food in the chain is gone and everything above that level starves”

That’s only a partial analogy though. The only ones “above” that would starve are the ones that are totally dependent on that one food source. The more diverse an organisms food sources, the less likely they will be permanently impacted by the loss of one.

If krill were to disappear from all the oceans, the filter feeding whales would starve…but the sharks and killer whales that feed on those whales would not, because THEY have alternative food sources.

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 24th, 2010
11:52 am

Do I have to list all the people who have committed suicide over being HOUNDED UNMERCIFULLY by the IRS, often for no reason at all..

Southern Comfort

June 24th, 2010
11:53 am

Sad…

The pain from this incident will linger for decades to come.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
11:53 am

Scooter

Picking up and starting over is made a bit easier when you’re looking only at your own personal disaster…when it’s your entire society, the loss of all you have ever cherished as your culture, it takes on a different perspective.

I’m not inclined to suicide myself but I cannot fathom what the people on the ground are going through psychologically…

godless heathen

June 24th, 2010
11:53 am

The article didn’t say who shot him. If he shot himself, who’s fault is that? Maybe he should have sought counseling.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
11:54 am

godless heathen:

No. Bush killed him. Film at 11.

Scooter

June 24th, 2010
11:54 am

People are out of work because of the oil spill

A lot of people now have jobs because of the spill. There is always a bright side if you look hard enough. Jus’ sayin…..

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
11:55 am

New Reality, I saw that CNN interview with the BP Alaska employee. It is interesting to note that, while h e was willing to take a huge risk, by going public, others apparently (threatened by BP) were not so willing. Of course, BP claims that they have set up a facility in Alaska to field employee complaints. In the meantime, there are pipelines that burst due to lack of care and lack of inspections. In at least one case, BP said it missed one corroded pipeline, because it could not see it under the snow.

Gives new meaning to a “snowjob”, I suppose.

atlshirt.com

June 24th, 2010
11:55 am

A man like Kruse does not just kill himself, someone was behind it, maybe a government cover-up because he heard a little bit too much, or he found something during the clean up… You can not trust your government, they will kill you !!!

Scout

June 24th, 2010
11:55 am

Jay:

Maybe he killed himself because Obama is doing such a poor job and hindering a lot of Lousiana’s efforts?

Rightwing Troll

June 24th, 2010
11:55 am

Obama pulled the trigger…

There, got that out of the way… let the hyperbole and enunciation of talking points begin!

Rightwing Troll

June 24th, 2010
11:56 am

Ooops! Scout beat me to it!

Southern Comfort

June 24th, 2010
12:00 pm

“His quote to me was, ‘Don’t try to rationalize it. . . . Just sign your name and get on your boat, and don’t try to tell anybody how to run the program, and don’t try to tell ‘em what the local knowledge is,’ ” Capt. Chris Garner said. The point was: The cleanup is hopeless, and you’ll just tire yourself out trying to improve the situation. “I said, ‘Rookie, that sounds an awful lot like prison,’ ” meaning the loss of control, Garner said Wednesday. “He said, ‘That’s a pretty good analysis, Chris. It’s just like prison.’ And he didn’t make it another week.”

That sounds like the words of a man who saw nothing good in his future. God Bless his family and friends.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:00 pm

By the way, while events such as this one will draw our attention first, I have heard that there are volunteer workers and fishermen who are going out on the gulf to help with the clean-up getting sick in the process. All that burning off of oil on the gulf is a health disaster in the making. What can we do about that? Put up a sign that reads,
“Don’t Inhale The Methane” ~~ the folks at BP.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:00 pm

Scooter

You know I am the eternal optimist…not this time.

Jay

June 24th, 2010
12:02 pm

Right Scout.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:02 pm

Jay:

Do you know how many military people have committed suicide in the past year? Who caused that?

……….. and while you are researching that, how about the number of our troops that have be killed needlessly by stupid “rules of engagement.”

I’ll be waiting …………………

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:02 pm

SPQR and godless heathen – your comments really do bring out the humanity in you. Thanks for your contributions here.

Jay

June 24th, 2010
12:03 pm

Yes Scout.

You will.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:04 pm

A question…
What value do BP and the administration place on his life? Surely their panels of “experts” have calculated that?

Seek counseling? From whom? Where? What do you tell someone contemplating the loss of all he has ever known and held dear? Suck it up, Bubba?

Peadawg

June 24th, 2010
12:04 pm

On a happier note…Isner finally won the 5th set 70-68. Go Dawgs!

Bosch

June 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

Damn.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ll repost something from below since it’s relevant now:

Reminds me of this local commissioner guy I heard on the TV last night – CNN – griping, bitching, complaining, non-stop about Obama and the oil spill — even went so far as to say that Obama is a complete failure because of this this went on to McChrystal and Afghanistan — just griping, bitch, bitch, bitch — this federal bureaucrat is gonna be responsible for thousands of dead pelicans and thousands of people out of jobs……

I thought to myself – okay, say the federal government left your area and left it to you and BP……and we’ll get back to you in say six months for another interview……

RB from Gwinnett

June 24th, 2010
12:06 pm

You all do know BP is going to end up going bankrupt over this and most of these people aren’t going to get much of anything don’t you? I was in Destin a few weeks ago and rented a condo near the beach. When their rental income dries up and they can’t pay the mortgage on that property, do you think BP is going to send them a check? Next year too? How about every restaurant, gas station, beer distributor, hotel maid, etc who will go broke this summer for lack of tourists? BP is done. They can’t possibly fund the entire GDP for the gulf coast that really doens’t have much else to draw on.

I still say this whole thing appears to be handled so poorly by BP and the federal government it almost appears it’s being done on purpose.

Bosch

June 24th, 2010
12:06 pm

Peadawg,

I just read that – that’s awesome!! Go DAWGS!!! (my former stomping grounds)

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2010
12:07 pm

“What do you tell someone contemplating the loss of all he has ever known and held dear? Suck it up, Bubba?”

Josef…I’m quite well aware that this is going to come across as calouse…but yes, that’s exactly what you tell them. Some people can’t do it, vastly more CAN. I’m beyond sorry that he’s dead, but how is his situation any different from the thousands in Haiti who have had to “suck it up”? Or those in China, or those devasted by the Christmas day tsunami? They had to suck it up too, and get on with their lives.

@@

June 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

SoCo:

That sounds like a man who had lost his independence.

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Charter fishermen say they were glad they could make some money working for BP. But they were annoyed by the petty bureaucracy of it: the paperwork, the inane training in avoiding sunburns and wearing life jackets and tennis shoes instead of flip-flops…

Who does that sound like?

Government paperwork? Busy body liberals? The Coast Guard?

No doubt BP wanted to avoid lawsuits by personal injury lawyers, not that I think Mr. Kruse was the kinda guy that would complain about a cut on his foot or a severe sunburn. I’m betting he knew how to swim too.

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

“You all do know BP is going to end up going bankrupt over this and most of these people aren’t going to get much of anything don’t you?”

Bankruptcy does not diminish the value of their assets. They’ve got billions, if not trillions, of dollars in assets. If they choose bankruptcy, you can bet their creditors will be there to be sure those assets get sold for full market value to pay their debts. Whether those creditors will include the Gulf residents might be debatable…but the assets DO have a lot of value.

Saul Good

June 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

“Two weeks and two days ago, with his fishing grounds closed, Kruse, 55, took a job working for BP’s cleanup crew. For the very people who’d caused the mess.”

Sad…

Yet it’s not unlike how we pay “warlords” in Afghanistan…

I guess it all comes down to “morals”…but I DO believe that if they can get paid to help “clean up” the mess created by BP/Halliburton and the others who helped create this mess (and BTW…WHY do the other companies not have to chip in? Am I missing something here? If so…I apologize).

These are people who lost their livelihood…being a vegan… I don’t agree with the kind of “mass fishing” incorporated around the world… but I understand that most don’t subscribe to my own beliefs (just like I don’t to many of yours)… no matter what…the gusher spouting oil into the gulf right now will “create” jobs in the end… hopefully the MAJORITY of them will be paid for by the very ones who created it in the first place and NOT our tax dollars…not when they were profitable for so many years…

Does anyone forget that when we were all paying $5 a gallon (or more) for gas…that ALL of the oil companies made “RECORD” profits quarter after quarter? If they pissed away their profits…too bad. When they screw up…THEY and their stock holders need to suffer the consequences just as they enjoyed their profits when things were rosy for them. Invested in oil/gas based energy companies and are pissed off now? Tell me how pissed off you were when we were paying record prices at the pump and your stock holdings doubled. Yeah…I too could have invested in those stocks…but it would be the same as me investing in a slaughterhouse…

Just remember…COAL…was once King! It built England into a superpower at the start of the Industrial Revolution… it also was it’s downfall with all they had invested once oil became KING. Do we STILL use COAL? Sure we do…will we ALWAYS be using oil? Sure we will… but it needs to become something we rely upon much less… no matter what… it’s going to happen anyway. Just like the US was an Empire and those who feel “patriotic” ONLY because we were KING of the world… our riches were based upon oil for many years now… and as we slip behind China who is now in place to be the worlds NEXT to ONLY Superpower like we once were… their economy is sucking up oil…but they are ALSO the worlds LARGEST producer of solar power panels.

Too bad Reagan ripped off the solar panels on top of the WH erected by Carter…he said they were a “sign of weakness”… myself…i think had he followed through on Solar back then…we’d have ruled the planet for ANOTHER 100 years…instead of now fading away.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:10 pm

Peadawg, when is his next match? In a couple of hours? ;-)

Peadawg

June 24th, 2010
12:13 pm

“Peadawg, when is his next match? In a couple of hours?”

He actually had a doubles match scheduled in an hour….forfeit probably. His 2nd round match is tomorrow.

AmVet

June 24th, 2010
12:13 pm

“godless heathen: No. Bush killed him. Film at 11.”

“Jay: Maybe he killed himself because Obama is doing such a poor job and hindering a lot of Lousiana’s efforts?”

Scout, normally your childish immorality is pretty easy to pass by.

But what is the matter with you? Why must you act so juvenile and say such reprehnesible things?

Your disgusting disregard for this man’s distress and subsequent suicide is just an excuse for you to make some idiotic little political point so that you can bash the president. That is all this means to you.

You are here forever spouting scripture, yet if ANYBODY on this forum is in desperate need of some redemption, it is you.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:14 pm

Doggone
The difference is that in Haiti, China, the tsunami the devastation is at the hand of Mother Nature. It’s over, you may be staring at the ruins but you can suck it up and get busy rebuilding…not in this situation. It came at the hand of man and there is no end in sight…it’s playing out in slow motion…

Callous? Not particularly from the outside looking in where we can afford that luxury of perspective

Scooter

June 24th, 2010
12:14 pm

josef,I think I understand where you are coming from. But, I still cant feel sorry for anyone that takes thier life. Maybe it is because I don’t have any of that culture you spoke of. ????????

@@

June 24th, 2010
12:15 pm

josef:

In the article, the only counseling services were being offered by local churches. Financial aid too.

Come on, buddy. Optimism is contagious as is pessimism.

Southern Comfort

June 24th, 2010
12:15 pm

Who does that sound like?

Government paperwork? Busy body liberals? The Coast Guard?

I put it squarely on BP. They’ve already proven their track record that they are more concerned about their corporate image as opposed to dealing with the problems at hand. There’s issues with everyone involved, but I expect the “experts” to at least appear to be somewhat engaged in fixing things.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:16 pm

Jay:

Just as I thought from you.

One guy kills himself (probably because he had mental problems and would have done it anyway) in the Gulf region and you make political hay with a liberal thread.

Meanwhile, hundreds of our troops are dying needlessly (not to mention the suicides) because of stupid rules of engagement and you don’t have the time.

Translation …………… LIBERAL IDEOLOGY !

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:17 pm

Doggone, I hear you on the man’s suicide. However, we cannot discount the situation because he was not presumably strong enough to suck it up. In my experience, trying to comfort and/or counsel a severely depressed person by telling them that others are equally depressed simply does not work.

I am somehow reminded of what Jonathan Swift said, “The Stoical scheme of supplying our wants by lopping off our desires, is like cutting off our feet when we want shoes.”

scrappy

June 24th, 2010
12:18 pm

Saul – China is the largest producer of solar panels, but they get shipped out and are not used there.
I would love to see solar powered cars, just stick the panels on the roof, bingo – free fuel. Any energy engineers out there – please get to work on the feasibility of this one.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

AmVet:

Read my 12:16 ………..

This subject of this thread is reprehensible ideology …………….

Doggone/GA

June 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

“The difference is that in Haiti, China, the tsunami the devastation is at the hand of Mother Nature”

I don’t see the difference. They are ALL disasters. The source of the disaster doesn’t make them any more or less OF a disaster. They have to be dealt with, regardless. Not everyone is going to be able to deal with it, this man apparently couldn’t. That’s no insult to him, but it’s a fact and a reality. Some can’t deal with disasters, many others can.

@@

June 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

I would have no problem with BP paying to relocate, albeit temporarily (those people don’t wanna leave their homes) fisherman to the Atlantic coast. The breadwinner could go, the family stay. There are all sorts of solutions to be found.

Mr. Kruse’s was a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

AmVet, I am with you on your 12:13 post.

Bosch

June 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

Midori,

Not just you hon.

Did you see my post below about the Midori margarita?

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:24 pm

Scout said, One guy kills himself (probably because he had mental problems and would have done it anyway)

OK, Scout, somehow in your omniscient position you know that the man “probably had mental problems”. Fine. Then you will not mind when I attribute any of your unfounded comments here to mental issues.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

@@

“Come on, buddy. Optimism is contagious as is pessimism.”

I do keep trying, but it’s not easy in this situation…

scooter
I’m glad you see the point…

Doggone
The difference is that in the case of the natural disasters, they’re over, the shock, the resolve to start over has an end in sight…there is no end in sight on this one…

RB from Gwinnett

June 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

Doggie,
You are correct, but the market for used oil rigs is pretty limited. Maybe Chavez will bid high at the auction. Most of the people damaged will never see a dime or if they do it won’t be in time to prevent their own financial disaster. I would also guess (but don’t know much about how this works) BP in the US is a subsidiary of the larger BP and they can take that unit down the bankruptcy road without affecting all the other entities. Every BP gas station owner in this country is about to go belly up too I would guess. Any money for them when they have an empty store with a mortgage and no customers?

And I agree on your “suck it up” post. There are craploads of people all over the country who have lost their job, home, pretty much everything in the last 2 years. I would guess this guy had some other issues going on in his life we don’t know about and I’d actually prefer to keep it that way. Let the man’s family deal with this without the Jay Bookman’s of the world standing on their lawn waving a camera and a $20.

Jefferson

June 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

Scout you remind me of a duckhead. Wonder why?

RIP, Capt.

Saul Good

June 24th, 2010
12:26 pm

Scrappy
Scrappy CoCo by any chance? :)
Anyway…you said: “Saul – China is the largest producer of solar panels, but they get shipped out and are not used there.”

That’s CORRECT…the EXPORT THEM! So why are our oil companies not using the money they spend on R&D or for oil exploration to PRODUCE Solar Panels? I mean…it’s funny how they ALL have ads on TV (all the oil/gas companies) talking about how GREEN they are…and the new “green” technologies they are coming up with…but truth be told. They’re spending WAY more on their “green advertising” compared to what they are spending on developing clean technologies. For those who watch too much Foxy Barely Legal News…. just google it. If you can’t find it…I’ll post it for ya later…need to run out for a bit!

Outhouse GoKart

June 24th, 2010
12:27 pm

“I guess Allen Kruse didn’t think he’d ever get his life back.”

Well if he cared so little about his own life then so be it. No one knows why this guy selfishly took his own life and no one but his family should care. It could be the BP debacle just as well as one hundred other issues.

So what now…”BP is a Murderer” “BP murdered dear old gramps” “BP took a sawed off shotgun to gran-pappys head and splattered his brains all over the oil soaked beaches”. BAH, Hogwash.

No sympathy here for someone committing such a SELFISH act.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:27 pm

scrappy, maybe function will bring back the style of the sixties – we’ll all have fins on our cars again. ;-)

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2010
12:27 pm

Hey, Scout, since you enjoy making fun of 11-year-old girls, I’ve got an even younger one for you.

“My daughter asks him, ‘Daddy, what’s wrong?’ ” she said. “He’ll just tell her, ‘Don’t worry about me. I’m supposed to worry about you.’ ” She said her husband used to sit up and talk with her and watch TV until midnight but now eats his dinner and goes to bed as soon as he gets home. “He’s sad, baby,” she tells her 9-year-old daughter, Laken.

Have fun.

Scooter

June 24th, 2010
12:28 pm

Keep a stiff upper lip josef! I really don’t know what that means but I have heard it all my life. Maybe something good will come of this. Not in our lifetime but maybe someone elses. There is always hope.

godless heathen

June 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

Maybe an analogy can be drawn to the dust bowl days. Many poor sodbusters lost all that they had to a disaster that lasted for years and was man-made. I’m sure a certain number of them couldn’t cope, but most did. Most did the best they could to get through it. Many lost their farms and they went to other places and were probably better off in the long run.

I certainly feel bad for those who are affected by this mess in the Gulf, but some people need to get a grip on reality. The oil flow will be stopped. The fish will come back. Life will return to normal. Maybe poor Mr. Kruse had been watching too much doom and gloom on TV.

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

“One death is a tragedy. A thousand deaths is a statistic.” –J. Stalin

I know I can get called out for listening to our old nemesis, Lady Hyperbole, but Mr. Krause’s despair is there millions fold. No, those millions won’t commit suicide. But thousands will and they will become a statistic…

@@
I was aware of the lack of counseling and the role of the religious institutions…let’s just hope and pray that they cling more to their Bibles than their guns…

Midori

June 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

Bosch,

i missed it.

is it in the previous thread?

Saul Good

June 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

Scout said, One guy kills himself (probably because he had mental problems and would have done it anyway)

Scout… please… that’s truly sad. Truly sad too that you would say that… because nobody knows but HE…what was the “final straw” in his life.

So much for the “sanctity of life crowd”….

See ya laters pee-pole!

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:31 pm

theyeshaveit :

Take your best shot. Like I have any control over your posts ?

Jay started this with a liberal thread over a man’s suicide. I said it was “probably” mental problems (as any psychiatrist will tell you) ……….. because Jay politicized it by assuming it was because of BP.

……….. and the real danger to this Republic and everything I cherish “is” Obama !

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:32 pm

Outhouse GoKart :

Careful ………. you’ll get them all upset !

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:33 pm

heathen

Your Dustbowl analogy is the closest I have heard yet to what is going on…
I guess we’ve got a Steinbeck waiting in the wings with another “Grapes of Wrath…” Meanwhile, Tom Joad has to “suck it up.”

I asked the question in all seriousness and the answer seems to be, “yes, suck it up.” Social Darwinism?

neo-Carlinist

June 24th, 2010
12:36 pm

Jay, I have a problem with mawkish (second time I used it today, but my thesaurus is at the cleaners) screeds like this. “…any man’s death diminishes me…”, right? As if this one suicide makes BP really, REALLY awful? You should think about Kruse the next time you start your car, fire up your computer, or hop on an airplane. With the exception of the vegan post, we keep ordering steaks, but want to close the slaughterhouse. As I have said before, BP isn’t the bad news, BP is the messenger.

@@

June 24th, 2010
12:36 pm

SoCo:

Who established safety standards for the clean up workers to follow? There are questions regarding that very subject.

Denise Pouget, an assistant Fire-EMS chief for the city of Alexandria, Va., questioned whether OSHA has allowed for “reduced” training standards of cleanup workers. OSHA has allowed BP to train most workers in handling hazardous materials for four or eight hours — fewer hours than required in other disaster incidents.–McClatchy

josef:

“Be still and know that I AM” or…

Get busy and know that I AM.

Don’t let me, them or Him down.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:36 pm

stands for decibels :

Oh, I can give you some sadder ones than that …………… How about some “Daddy” on this 9th deployment to Afghanistan ………. and he doesn’t come back?

RB from Gwinnett

June 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

“Scout… please… that’s truly sad. Truly sad too that you would say that… because nobody knows but HE…what was the “final straw” in his life. ”

Apparently Jay does, Saul. This entire piece was written and posted to imply he killed himself because of BP. No mention of any other possible causes, just BP. Are you going to treat Jay with the same disdain as Scout for claiming he knows anything about this guy?

scrappy

June 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

haha – its scrappy, as in Scooby Do’s nephew, small but with a powerful punch!

I agree Saul, and part of the problem is the lack of true meaning of the word ‘green’. I mean if oil companies are touting how ‘green’ they are, isn’t there a problem there?
I am not much of a conspiracy theorist either, but something is kinda hinky to me with all of the technology we have that no one has come up with better fuel sources.

Bosch

June 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

Midori,

Yeah, but I’ll save you the trouble — I had a Midori Margarita last Sunday for our Father’s Day lunch and it was goooooood!!!

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

neo-Carlinist:

Careful ………….. you’ll get them all upset.

@@

June 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

Oops! Them’s my words, josef…except for the “Be still and know that I AM.”

Those are His.

Lord Help Us

June 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

Scout, ‘Jay politicized it by assuming it was because of BP’

Where?

Looks like you made some more ASSumptions…Now, ‘What Jon Stewart said…’

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

josef:

Did you see my post late last night about Missionary Ridge elementary ?

larry

June 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

I certainly feel bad for those who are affected by this mess in the Gulf, but some people need to get a grip on reality. The oil flow will be stopped. The fish will come back. Life will return to normal.

No, im sorry but life will not return to normal. The one thing this spill is going to create is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico , like the one in the Black Sea. The oil, natural gas and methane will suck all the oxygen out of the water. Im afraid the fish will not come back.

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

Lord Help Us:

Nice try.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

godless heathen – Regarding the suicides during the dust bowl period, “Many sank into despair and shame after they could not find jobs. The suicide rates increased from 14 to 17 per 100,000.”

Lord Help Us

June 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

Scout, ‘Nice try.’

Nice Dodge…

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:41 pm

Lord Help Us :

Sure, Jay wrote the thread because he wanted you to think the man committed suicide because the Braves lost to the White Sox again.

That’s what I took away from it.

TaxPayer

June 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

Scout must be trying to fill in for Whine.

Lord Help Us

June 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

Scout, ‘That’s what I took away from it.’

Says it all…

josef nix

June 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

Scout

Got it!

eyes
Thank you for that statistic…what is the sampling? National? Regional? Among just those affected?

Scout

June 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

TaxPayer/Lord Help Us:

You are most welcome.

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

How about some “Daddy” on this 9th deployment to Afghanistan …

If I ever see fit to make fun of something his daughter said, feel free to have at me.

(Particularly if I decide to do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in hopes that someone will notice whatever cheap shot I happen to be taking at her dad.)

Outhouse GoKart

June 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

“Aw dern Ma-Mer…Paw paw dun kilt himseff and leave us to pay all these paymints and back taxes and boat paymints and payroll for his crew and all…what we gonna do now…”

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

Bosch and Midori, excuse my levity amidst this serious issue, but what is in a Midori Magarita that makes it distinct from a regular old Margarita?

AmVet

June 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

eyes, the overwhelming percentage of time here, I discuss the issues and not the other bloggers.

But this ill-mannered cad writes more than just foolish, unsupportable, unresearched, but otherwise harmless, nonsense. This is an instance of his revolting side. Notwithstanding his thinking that he has some high moral ground via his professed and MUCH overplayed Christian mythology.

That no one else will say so, is of no concern to me. When I read such evil and and nauseating posts, that callously belittle a man’s pain and death, I will speak out against them.

theyeshaveit

June 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

So why are our oil companies not using the money they spend on R&D or for oil exploration to PRODUCE Solar Panels? I mean…it’s funny how they ALL have ads on TV (all the oil/gas companies) talking about how GREEN they are…and the new “green” technologies they are coming up with…but truth be told. They’re spending WAY more on their “green advertising” compared to what they are spending on developing clean technologies.

Well, it might could be they’re waiting on a solar panel that runs on gas, I don’t know.

Have a good p.m. everybody. I usually agree with Scout on everything, but this time he’s disgusted even me. And I take a lot to disgust.

Outhouse GoKart

June 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

larry

June 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

“And now for our ecological minute brought to you by laaaaaaaaaary. Take it away laaaaaaaary…oil is bad, mmmmmmmm kay. This has been an ecological minute brought to you by laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaary.”

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

Maybe an analogy can be drawn to the dust bowl days.

I’ve been thinking along those lines too, for awhile now.

Prior to this, the dust bowl could be said to have been this nation’s worst environmental disaster. (and very much man-made.)

Bosch

June 24th, 2010
12:50 pm

eyes,

Instead of the regular orange liqueur of a normal margarita, it has Midori – a fabulous melon flavored liquer – also the name of one of my favorite bloggers here too.