Would conservative court dare overturn Roe? Of course!

From Politico:

“Former acting Solicitor General Walter Dellinger predicted Tuesday night that the Supreme Court will overturn Roe vs. Wade, the landmark decision that gives women abortion rights.

The noted liberal scholar said the 1973 decision has become a “trophy” that the court’s conservative bloc could overturn if a Republican president chooses a replacement for Justice Anthony Kennedy.

“I absolutely believe it,” Dellinger said during a forum cosponsored by POLITICO.

“For a while I thought that one could simply chip away at a lot more and more regulations that sort of protected access (to abortions) for the most affluent women but really made it impossible for women who were vulnerable to geography, poverty (and) youth,” he added. “But now I think that, actually, it is such a symbol of a kind of jurisprudence that conservatives have set themselves in opposition to.”

I concur. I often see conjecture, from liberals and conservatives both, that legal conservatives would step back if finally give the opportunity to overturn Roe. And I always wonder: “Based on what?”

What on earth makes them think that?

The same is true of claims that if Roe were overturned, conservatives in Congress would allow states to make their own decisions regarding the legality of abortion. No, they would not. At the first opportunity, they would try to federalize that policy. Life doesn’t begin at conception in some states but not in others.

And as Politico notes, “such a decision by the Supreme Court would pour barrels of gasoline onto the now smoldering fires of the never-ending culture war.”

223 comments Add your comment

Outhouse GoKart

June 23rd, 2010
11:20 am

Hopefully the SCOTUS will institute the legality or retro-abortions.

Saul Good

June 23rd, 2010
11:20 am

Can’t WAIT to see where this goes later!

Enjoy the fight…let me know if any wins when I return!

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:20 am

goodgod, Jay – abortion? do we have to?

RW-(the original)

June 23rd, 2010
11:22 am

I think the days of we the people putting up with politicians in Washington wanting to federalize everything are just about over.

Either that or our country is just about over, but it was a pretty good run.

/drive by….

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
11:22 am

I can only hope the SUpremes do overturn it, and that the GOP makes the mistake of Federalizing it.

That way, the BLUE states can then do what the Red states are doing questioning and challenging Federal power.

And we can get back to the way this country was supposed to operate.

Saul Good

June 23rd, 2010
11:24 am

goodgod, Jay – abortion? do we have to?

nothing like a HOT TOPIC huh? ;-)

Why not add in WAR and the DEATH PENALTY to the mix… I mean since we’re talking about “life” and all!

Have fun…last doggie just came in so I’m outs for a bit to record. (this should be a good ol’ brawl… can’t wait to see how far “twisted off subject” it becomes later when I’m done)… ;-)

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:27 am

RW,

Is your car broke? How many drive bys does that make now?

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
11:30 am

Bosch, I think if RW’s car was broken, he wouldn’t be doing any drive bys.

Just thinking that one through. :)

josef nix

June 23rd, 2010
11:32 am

JAY
Jusat trying to stir up trouble, eh? :-)

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:32 am

Dave R.,

Yeah, that’s true – maybe he’s driving by the blog and it breaks down?

Richard

June 23rd, 2010
11:32 am

I must be missing something, here but isn’t making abortion illegal a blatant First Amendment violation?

The question of whether or not abortion should be illegal is based solely on the question of when life begins. If you read the New Testament, it will say life begins at conception. If you read the Old Testament, it says life begins at birth. This isn’t a debate over morality, but rather a debate between two religous teachings.

The First Amendment clearly states: “Congress shall make no law creating an establishment of religion…”. Honestly, from a legal standpoint, how is this even a question?

Whether or not you think abortion is good or bad, moral or immoral doesn’t say anything in terms of what the law is. The law is specifically for the purpose of removing the passions and prejudices so that things can be judged on the facts. Otherwise, you get wise Latina women having a better idea of what to do (right conservatives?).

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:33 am

Bosch – how are the puppies?

Dave – 11:30 – :lol: good point.

my £0.02 – anyone who thinks that criminalizing abortion (again) is going to end abortion is an idiot. it didn’t before. it doesn’t now. it won’t in the future.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:35 am

USinUK,

Cute! Next week we break up the team.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:35 am

“I must be missing something, here but isn’t making abortion illegal a blatant First Amendment violation?”

the right to an abortion was based on the 9th and 14th amendments (privacy) as well as the 4th (the right to be secure in your own person).

not the 1st

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
11:37 am

Gotta go visit some relatives for lunch, now.

Have a good one, and I’ll be discoursin’ later today with you.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:37 am

Beasley! He’ll get the job done.

Matti

June 23rd, 2010
11:38 am

**Yawwwwn!** Sorry, but I’ve already endured my limit of azzwholes and hypocrites today. Mind your own beeswax or don’t, but if you choose to meddle in someone else’s personal business, expect to meet the business end of the only thing you actually respect. (And that ain’t the well-being of a child you never met, so don’t even try to sell that bs anymore. Nobody believes you.)

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2010
11:38 am

“anyone who thinks that criminalizing abortion (again) is going to end abortion is an idiot. it didn’t before. it doesn’t now. it won’t in the future.”

I never was and never will be about ending abortions. It is, has been, and always will be…about punishing the woman.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:38 am

Bosch – now that they’re a bit bigger, can you tell what breed (or blend) the little poop machines are?

we ended up adopting my MIL’s dog a few months ago because it was a bit much for her – now, I’m wondering how we ever considered it a “home” without our sweet girl …

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2010
11:39 am

Sorry! Should be: “IT never was and…”

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
11:39 am

Fun fact:

the same people who glibly say “we’ll just throw the issue back to the states” are, generally, the same people who glibly talk about “banning abortion”, as if there would be no criminal statutes to make such a thing possible.

Anyone here willing to go on record as saying he’d imprison a woman for terminating her pregnancy in the first trimester?

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:40 am

Doggone – 11:38 – I know … but there does seem to be a school of thought (using the term loosely) that abortions only happen because they’re legal

RW-(the original)

June 23rd, 2010
11:40 am

Is your car broke? How many drive bys does that make now?

Bosch,

That’s the beauty of the World Wide Web Superhighway (thanks ManBearPig!) Every time an appointment gets pushed there’s time for another drive by

/drive by :-)

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:40 am

USinUK,

All I can tell is that they are the cute brown kind. With big brown puppy dog eyes.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

Jay:

Sometimes bad court decisions (i.e., Roe vs. Wade) just have to be dealt with :

“In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court (in Dred Scott), led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks — slaves as well as free — were not and could never become citizens of the United States.”

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:42 am

Bosch – and have you named the 2 you’re keeping?

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:43 am

Ref – get out the red cards!

USinUK,

And, they all four are sitting here in their bed watching the game.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
11:43 am

but isn’t making abortion illegal a blatant First Amendment violation?

dunno, but I always question why forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term isn’t running afoul of that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction” thingie in the 13th.

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2010
11:44 am

“but there does seem to be a school of thought (using the term loosely) that abortions only happen because they’re legal”

Yeah, and they don’t really like it when you point out that murders still happen, even though THEY are illegal!

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:44 am

USinUK,

Right now, they are just assigned numbers — I’m trying for Apollo and Starbuck (from Battlestar Galactica, of course).

josef nix

June 23rd, 2010
11:44 am

Bosch
Colonoscopy, eh? Got one scheduled for the 19th…not my first…is it yours? No fun in any shape, form or fashion! :-)

Vinny

June 23rd, 2010
11:45 am

Jay – so what if they do? We have much bigger problems facing our country right now. A feable “president” that doesn’t have a clue as to what he is doing and that is unable to command respect from our troops or our enemies. He has become the laughing stock of the nation! Our enemies thumb their noses at him as they build more centrifuges! His spending is out of control with no end in sight. He’s bankrupting our country and you’re worried about Roe vs. Wade being overturned?

Wake Up!!

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:46 am

Bosch – 11:43 – good dogs! (although they’re probably sick and tired of the vuvuzela)

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
11:47 am

“Would conservative court dare overturn Roe?”

I would love to see it overturned. Amen!

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
11:48 am

It is, has been, and always will be…about punishing the woman.

but DGA, the Post-Abortive Men! How they suffer!

Lord Help Us

June 23rd, 2010
11:48 am

GOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:48 am

Hand ball? These refs are retarded.

josef,

No, I had one last year, this year it was just some scans. That barium crap

OMGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!Thank you soccer GOD!!!! Donovan!!!!!!!!!

Jay

June 23rd, 2010
11:49 am

holy cow, mabel!

last-minute goal for USA.

Finn McCool

June 23rd, 2010
11:49 am

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

okay, all you anti-choicers … are you going to stop at RvW?

why not go for Griswold, too?

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

I was typing that post when the US scored. Sorry josef…

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

yay, US!!

yay, England!!

good matches, both!!

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:51 am

dB – 11:48 – yep, cuz it’s always all. about. them.

getalife

June 23rd, 2010
11:51 am

Awesome.

US wins to advance.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!

I take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about Landon Donovan.

Finn McCool

June 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

Donovan has grown into the role of go-to-guy

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10389638.stm

if we’re going to drop missiles on people, can we start with these wankers?

AmVet

June 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

USA! USA! USA!

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
11:54 am

why not go for Griswold, too?

pssst. They don’t hear about Griswold on Sundays and Wednesdays. Only Roe. That’s the only decision that matters.

another Fun Fact:

It’s also the only SCOTUS decision Bible Spice had ever heard of.

josef nix

June 23rd, 2010
11:54 am

Bosch

No problem. In a choice among colonoscopies, abortion and soccer…I’ll go for futbol myself!

Finn McCool

June 23rd, 2010
11:56 am

Bill Clinton is at the match. He just said “Party at my hotel tonight. Bring the chickas”

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:58 am

josef,

:-)

Yeah, no contest.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
11:59 am

Easy huh, England? Y’all are going home!!!

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
11:59 am

dB – “They don’t hear about Griswold on Sundays and Wednesdays. Only Roe. That’s the only decision that matters.”

nope – ever heard Randall Terry? he’s been going after contraception since the 1980s … RvW is just the first step – they want to get rid of the pill, the IUD, ANYthing that could possibly interfere with a fertilized egg.

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm

I’m back…Did they abort McKristal? Just trying to figure out Jays train of thought… :)

In the spirit of fair play, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, let’s overturn the 2nd amendment too, but only to making it illegal for men to own guns…women would still be able to own them…just think on that for awhile.
———————
…and totally NOT PC, but when talking about Palin’s intellect downstairs, why would she name her Downes Syndrone child after a higher math? Just wondering…

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm

Guys, are you not able to force your incubator to carry to term? There’s a card for that.

AmVet

June 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm

If the 1950s cons do get it overturned, it will mean the last nail in the coffin for these fake conservatives and their ideology of irrational intolerance and pragmatism-free incompetence..

There would be a firestorm of protest unlike anything imaginable, other than re-instituting conscription.

And if you think these frauds <b<losing 93% of the contested seats in the past two national elections was unspeakably bad for them, I can imagine it would become pretty common place…

AmVet

June 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm

And if you think these frauds losing 93% of the contested seats in the past two national elections was unspeakably bad for them, I can imagine it would become pretty common place…

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

Bosch – nope – not going home – we’re in the last 16, but we’re still in.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
12:04 pm

nope – ever heard Randall Terry?

dude. I know, I know, IUDs and the Pill and embryonic stem cell wizardry are “murder” and all that to these loons.

I’m simply pointing out that your typical Teatard posting here won’t know about Griswold.

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:04 pm

“In the spirit of fair play, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, let’s overturn the 2nd amendment too, but only to making it illegal for men to own guns…women would still be able to own them”

hyperbole much? let’s compares carrying guns to murder why don’t we….

President Hussein

June 23rd, 2010
12:05 pm

USA, England win!!!……Yawn, BFD. Sport for Eurosissies

When does college football start?

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
12:05 pm

Another question: Are all Pro Lifers vegens and card carrying PETA members?

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

dB – 12:04 – I know … Roe (like Athena) sprung fully formed from the skull of Zeus, there was no precedent to establish a right to privacy. :roll:

Granny Godzilla

June 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Bosch

Saw the world cup report and thought of you…..

USA USA USA USA USA USA

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
12:08 pm

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:04 pm

It’s called H-U-M-O-R. You know, an angry woman with a gun…and rightly so.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:09 pm

Granny G!!! has the baby arrived, yet?? how have you been??

you’ve been missed in these here parts!

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:09 pm

Thanks Mrs. G!!!! This is great!!! Come back!!!

OH yeah, USinUK, my adrenaline made me stupid — and there’s my colon and all. :-)

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:10 pm

BTW, anyone watch tennis? John Isner(a uga grad) is in 6 hour long match right now. 26-26 in the 5th set.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

stands for decibels @ 11:43

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction”

Uh, ……………. and just what would the draft be?

Not for 9 months but for 2 years (+ 4 years inactive reserves)
Taken from your family, job, friends, dog, cat
Sent to a war you don’t believe in
Where other men try to kill you
Physical and psychological injuries for life

The Supreme Court ruled the draft was Constitutional about the same time they came up with the insane logic for Roe vs. Wade. In addition, they have since ruled women can’t be drafted (equal protection under the law ?).

Registration for the draft is still the law of the land and one more war and we will be off and running again ………..

25% of the 58,000 names on the Vietnam Wall were draftees. I served with many of them.

Women who want abortions get no sympathy from me …………. the unborn children do !

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

“Are all Pro Lifers vegens and card carrying PETA members?”

Nope. God made humans the top of the food chain for a reason. What’s that got to do w/ murdering babies anyways?

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

Peadawg,

I do – cool beans – worse than the final last year – I thought that game would never end.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

Bosch – I think Dusty has a cure for that
:-)

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:13 pm

Peadawg – and they’re having great weather here, too! that’s almost headline-worthy, as well!

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:14 pm

Bosch, they each keep winner their serves. Neither one can break the other one. Incredible.

AmVet

June 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction”

Looks like one of the constitutional experts is guilty of right-wing cherry picking:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

“The Supreme Court ruled the draft was Constitutional about the same time they came up with the insane logic for Roe vs. Wade”

case in point: many people think RvW sprung fully formed from the skull of Zeus

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

Peadawg,

That’s why I don’t mind draws in soccer – there are just sometimes when the players are so evenly matched and on their game that it’s a shame for someone to lose.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:18 pm

oh, and the constitionality of the draft was decided in 1918 … preceding RvW juuuuuuuuuust a tad.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:18 pm

Re: My 11:41

I guess no one wants to debate whether “Dred Scott” should have been ESTABLISHED LAW that shouldn’t be touched?

“In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court (in Dred Scott), led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks — slaves as well as free — were not and could never become citizens of the United States.”

Sometimes bad court decisions (i.e., Roe vs. Wade) just have to be OVERTURNED :

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm

USinUK:

…………… and again during the Vietnam War.

But you conveniently ignore the point ……………

It’s o.k. for the government to control a man’s body but not a woman’s.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm

Not for 9 months but for 2 years (+ 4 years inactive reserves)

As opposed to being stuck with a kid forever, unless you choose to hand him/her over for adoption.

But sure, fine, the draft’s slavery as well. No argument. If the country needs people shoulder arms and die for a cause, it should be a willing army of volunteers. I agree.

You got a point, or are you just whingeing again?

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:20 pm

Scout – schmapples and schmoranges.

Dred denies constitutional rights.

Roe upholds constitutional rights.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:22 pm

Scout – no – they just upheld their earlier finding.

as far as the draft – you are not forced to serve – you can defer, you can be a CO, etc.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:22 pm

Next up? German domination!

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
12:23 pm

anyhoo … I’m heading home in the gorgeous afternoon sun …

have a great evening!!

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:23 pm

Good evening USinUK!

Granny Godzilla

June 23rd, 2010
12:24 pm

UsinUK

Last week of August….

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:24 pm

stands for decibels:

………. and I suppose death, or losing both legs is not “for life”?

I assume then you agree there is a grave inequality here should the draft be needed for war?

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
12:24 pm

“you can defer, you can be a CO, etc.”

You can injure your knee playing football at UGA………..

President Hussein

June 23rd, 2010
12:25 pm

I’m confused, I didn’t think libs like sports. I mean after all there would be winners and losers, people’s feeling would get hurt! Everyone couldn’t be equal in society like Barry would like.

Can’t stand soccer, undersized whimps flopping all over the field. But being a patriot, go USA! Kick some European and third world a$$!

RB from Gwinnett

June 23rd, 2010
12:26 pm

Jay, just curious. If life doesn’t begin at conception, when does it begin? I’d specifically like an answer from Jay, but others are welcome to put in their 2 cents.

I will give Jay credit for recognizing that is the issue here vs. whether or not a woman has the right to do whatever she wants.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:26 pm

USinUK:

Roe denies Constitutional Rights to the unborn child !

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:27 pm

“flopping all over the field.”

You ever watch basketball? they’re just as bad

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
12:27 pm

I guess no one wants to debate

Scout, you might want to answer the question I poised two minutes prior to yours, that nobody’s had the balls to weigh in on, before you start crying about how nobody wants to play with you.

How many years for the hussy, the flighty little trollop, the “murderers” who “get no sympathy” from you, in the Big House? 10? 20? Life?

or is hangin’ good enough for ‘em?

oh, and Dred Scott wasn’t “overturned;” the Constitution was amended. Which is what you cowardly little “pro-lifers” would try to do, if you really believed that “life begins at conception”.

But you won’t, because you know you’d never, ever succeed.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm

Bosch :

…………. and when you can’t seem to manage some excuse (i.e., 66% in WWII and 25% in Vietnam) you go to war against your will or you go to jail.

But if you are a woman you have the right to kill you unborn child.

God help us ………………

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
12:30 pm

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm
“Are all Pro Lifers vegens and card carrying PETA members?”

Nope. God made humans the top of the food chain for a reason. What’s that got to do w/ murdering babies anyways?
————————

Then you are a hypocrite. Why do you put human life over all others?
Just because you are one? All life should be revered if you are truly pro life. You should be against wars too. They definitely are not pro life.

Abortion is just too emotional a topic that makes people not see past the poor little fetus getting flushed. Never mind the fetus has no cognizent thoughts, no self awareness, by golly, no brain.
What matters is stopping the mother from “killing” the poor thing. BTW, old Chinese proverb. If you save a life you become responsible for that life”. Show me that.
What matters is removing the ownership of the woman to her body. May as well make women slaves, remove their right to vote, put them back in the kitchen, and keep them barefoot in the winter and pregnant in the summer. If you really want to abolish abortion, return to the true religion and and return womankind to her rightful place as the Sacred Feminine. The giver of life. Worship her and give her the power to rule. She certainly couldn’t do worse than man has…but then that would make man a…what?…secondary. Oh no, can’t have that! :roll:

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
12:30 pm

“How many years for the hussy, the flighty little trollop, the “murderers” who “get no sympathy” from you, in the Big House? 10? 20? Life?”

If you’re using abortion as a method of birth control…you should get life.

Abortion should ONLY be allowed in rape, incest, and if the mom won’t make it.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
12:31 pm

God made humans the top of the food chain for a reason.

Humans have been atop the food chain for something like .001% of this planet’s history. What goes up must come down.

Scout

June 23rd, 2010
12:32 pm

stands for decibels :

You ignore the inequal treatment of men and women in a life and death situation. I assume then you would support drafting women?

Or maybe you would agree with a bumper sticker I once saw:

“Equal Rights for Unborn Women”