McChrystal ousted, replaced by Petraeus

first?

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“Given the circumstances, the situation has been handled about as well and as swiftly as possible.”

Agreed.

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McChrystal just joined Fallon on the list of 4 stars who should have known better. That’s what they get for contracting PR people when they have their very own military public affairs people.

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Afghans want McKrystal to stay…

That’s because he’s paying warlords to pay the Taliban to let his supply convoys alone.

Any first year Military student knows if your supply lines aren’t safe, you’re not winning. Bring them home!

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DDR

Here’s another one where I’m not jumping on President Obama for the way he’s handling things. Mark it down.

How’s it going in the fields of the shiftless? Fine and dandy here with the sorry, low-down and good-for-nothings.

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Disgusted – It’s possible, but he will more than likely hold joint command until they can fill McChrystal’s job. It happens all the time. Not necessarily a demotion, but added responsibility.

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I know!! 2 in ONE WEEK!! Hell must be cold……

The shiftless are resltess and BORED. This place is so dead!! There are no tax scandals, no villians, no need to think of inventive ways to make crap not stink….

Dull, dull, DULL.

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“Given the circumstances, the situation has been handled about as well and as swiftly as possible.”

Agreed.

looks like, yep.

(see, j-nix! I do *so* notice!)

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The entire cohesion of the military is “yes sir” and keep your mouth shut. KP duty and take the stars.

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For what it’s worth…..

For all the high tech weaponry of today, the way to win a war is still with boots on the ground. You have to inflict casualties and you have to be willing to take casualties and you have to take and hold territory. If you aren’t willing to do that, you shouldn’t be there. At this point, it seems that very few people are willing to make that commitment or think that it’s worth it.

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So what….does this mean Obama has demoted McChrystal to “corpseman”?

Summer offensive postponed?

This is kinda like asking the jury to disregard what was said. Yeah, like that’ll happen.

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Nah, I think it means McChrystal will now be referred to as Ret. Gen. McChrystal.

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If BO had to do it, then his choice in G. Pet is a great choice, so I give our Pres kudos on that. Wasn’t G. Pet in command in Iraq when it turned around? Not sure…

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Jay I respect that opinion about military pao types being insular. but I spent 10 1/2 years as a marine corps pao and that insularity is exactly what McChrystal needed. Civilian advisors are great in helping us better understand how civilian media works, but when it comes to public affairs he should have relied on his military PAO – if he did, this never would have happened. I think military PAOs understand how the military is viewed on the outside world more than you think, especially now-a-days with media on demand. I just think McChrystal found the wrong guy (civilian) to help him.

Fox News explains it better than me! I know consider the source, but this gives a little more insight on us inexperienced PAOs.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/23/jd-gordon-gen-stanley-mcchrystal-afghanistan-fallon-pace-military-public/

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Southern Comfort

June 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

SoCo,
…and he’ll become the Fox News Military Commentator…

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obama, when you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING.

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josef, your 2:55?

I am reminded about that picture of LBJ holding that hound up by the ears he got into so much trouble with.

So the whole ears – puppy thing just naturally made me think of Hope & Change.

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McChrystal should have resigned, and then let the American public know what fools our adminstration are. He just couldn’t have it both ways. He knew he was falling on his sword. As thin skinned as he knows Obama is, he absolutely knew what would happen. So, it begs the question, American people are we ever going to wake up to the idiocy of sending our young men to be killed in a hell hole, and in which we know we can never, ever build a democracy. Heck, we are having a hard time hanging on to democracy in this country. I think we are headed toward a socialist dictatorship.

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@@: So what….does this mean Obama has demoted McChrystal to “corpseman”?

Probably not. I think what will happen is he’ll keep his rank; but now he’s going to need to start using his pension.

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There’s already a FB group touting him as a “politician.”

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Well, I’m kinda sure that if the situation woulda been a regimental commander shooting the breeze with his staff and battalion leaders and they said stuff like “when’s McChrystal gonna get some stones and win this” and such about McChrystal and his staff, that the regimental commander would’ve been fired quicker than Obama fired McChrystal.

Hi DDR!

“I hope now we’ll think about pulling out of Deathghanistan.”

Don’t count on it. In the same statement he also said he was committed to doing whatever it takes to winning in Afghanistan.

Disgusted

I believe he’ll hold that job in addition to his Centcom command. Don’t know how long he can keep up with both but I’d imagine it’d be just a few months.

Or until the drawdown gets underway…

jconservative

“Any way you cut it McChrystal showed that he is a poor soldier.”

Not according to the Commander in Chief -

joe

“Wasn’t G. Pet in command in Iraq when it turned around? ”

Yes. And the architect of the strategy that turned things around. (Cue the chorus of “but…. but… the Shiites were sick of al Qaeda! Or was it the Sunnis? Anyhow, someone was sick of them and Petraeus didn’t do diddly squat ’cause Bush invaded a sovereign nation that never attacked us and…”).

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Isn’t this thy guy the dems were calling “General BetrayUs”

No. Elected dems condemned the ham-handed Moveon ad that used that particular phrase.

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I thought the chosen one was going to make everything OK in Iraq and Afghan…… I think he has duped you people, again,,, Oh well, you get what you voted for….

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QUESTION: “what’s the military without structure and discipline?”
ANSWER: a successful, non-conventional 21st century fighting force.

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So, as I said, now it’s Obama’s war.

I’m not questioning that. (Does anyone?)

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neo: At the very least, Obama has wasted a year (and another $half-trillion). This is like a divorce. Didn’t Obama and his crowd vet these guys.

Gates recommended him to Obama.

Joan: McChrystal should have resigned, and then let the American public know what fools our adminstration are

Like most of the Bush people did?

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DDR
Left you a link downstairs…the argument is that this is a “limitation…” but this is not something that can be limited…you either got it or you don’t…

DAVE

Hadn’t thought of that one, but the image does somehow fit..

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neo

The day our military ditches their discipline and structure is the day we doom ourselves. Besides the hardware, that is what separates our military from others around the world. The problem wih Afghanistan has nothing to do with the discipline and structure of our military. The problem is that the people making the decisions do not appear to understand what our military is used for.

You don’t train and equip a force to kill and then send them on a mission to pick flowers and hand out groceries. Our military isn’t built to be a nation builder. It is built and equiped for destruction plain and simple.

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Hi Paul!! Don’t count on it. In the same statement he also said he was committed to doing whatever it takes to winning in Afghanistan.

I’m hoping that was just a “screen bite” for later.

Courtney – Tillman was a PRIVATE when he was in the military — he didn’t command any troops.

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joan: When are you going to stop your idiocy? robably never.

Bush declared that our mission in Afghanastan was to get OBL and AQ. So when did anyone in leadership in government state that we were there to set up a democracy?

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Paul

I guess I could have thought of a better analogy. How about performng a triple-bypass with a chainsaw?

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McKrystal is probably most thrilled to be out of direct contact with that idiot Obama.

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He could not do the job due to all the red tape. He was the right man for the job and our administration is shooting themselves in the foot over name calling. Sad and a step backwards really.

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SoCom

You’re not formulating these thoughts out loud while you’re screening passengers, are you?

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Paul

Nah, I’m done for the day. I do sometimes compare those type things to the way we handle immigration though. I would not make those thoughts public though.

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Southern Comfort, so, are you saying the only way to achieve victory (distruction) is through structure and discipline? The German army was one of the most structured and disciplined armies in history, but they were beaten by the Allies. Does the Taliban strike you as “structured and disciplined”?

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what I mean is; it is going to take him down, like Vietnam did to LBJ.

It certainly could; I don’t think anyone following this doubts that.

Every time we take out a mud hut with a hellfire missile the White House pats itself on the back for “killing a terrorist” but what the WH doesn’t acknowledge is that the other 5 civilians killed will produce 50 new terrorists.

You really think this WH doesn’t consider that possibility? (Ok, maybe not, given that it’s always been happy to beat up on the dirty hippies that constitute “the base…” but I digress.) it’s just that when I heard “5 civilians gets you 50 terrorists” I thought… haven’t I read that somewhere before? like, say, here?

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/20-0

“If U.S. planners weren’t able to get it right in eight years, what makes them think they will get it right in the next 18 months?” asked Hadi Jawad, a member of the Dallas Peace Center.

“My greatest fear in Afghanistan . . . because it’s impossible to avoid casualties . . . is that for every civilian we kill, I’m afraid it’s going to breed another generation of people who hate our country.”

…and lotsa lotsa other places like that?

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I would agree with it was handled about as well and as swiftly as possible. It’s troubling that it happened at all. How did McCyrystal, a career soldier with years of such a stellar record of accomplishment demean himself and the military with such a stupid lapse of judgment. He would have to be a reflection of attitude within his subordinate chain of command and that’s disconcerting. Hopefully, Obama has learned something as well.

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are you saying the only way to achieve victory (distruction) is through structure and discipline?

No, the structure and discipline is what allows our military to operate as it is intended. When that structure and discipline is disrupted, you lose the ability to function at peak levels. Our military is trained to do a job. When you tighten the parameters in which they can operate, that will impede them, but not completely stop them. When you do that and set unrealistic goals for them, you pretty much set them up for an impossible mission.

As for the Germans, hubris rendered that strcture and discipline moot. There’s no way any military power will achieve what they set out to do regardless to who they are or what they have.

Does the Taliban strike you as “structured and disciplined”?

The Taiban strikes me as a group of bullies who do what they can because no one stops them. I would call them clever, but they are not the most structured and disciplined group there is. That is what makes them hard to fight. They have a structure but it’s not a rigid structure at all. There are probably some things that we could adapt from that, but as an overall strategy, it’s best when all forces are operating from the same playbook.

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Hey, It’s time for Biden to go, and be replaced by the Lovely Shelia Jackson Lee

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Oops! fell victim to the dreaded dead threaded.

Former Governor Rod Blagojevich believed that Obama wasn’t formally advocating to appoint Valerie Jarrett to his former Senate Seat because Obama didn’t want it to be public knowledge he was pushing for a black nominee, according to tapes played in the Blagojevich trial today.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Obama-Didnt-Want-it-Known-He-Was-Pushing-for-a-Black-Senator-Witness-96910599.html#ixzz0rikRGs7f

Burris wasn’t black enough? Too black?

What????????

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off topic

Dems are a little late to the “Politics of Fear” party, aren’t they?

“Pelosi asks for donations to fend off potential GOP investigations”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/105013-pelosi-asks-for-donations-to-fend-off-gop-investigations

I notice she didn’t say what possible grounds they could have. But after what Dems orchestrated in Alaska, I suppose it doesn’t matter -

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getalife

I suppose the pull is timeless –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q

Somehow, I don’t think The General bought five copies for his mother -

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Lets see if I got this right.. He removes his hand-picked choice for someone he had no confidence in just 2 years ago.” McChrystal was Obama’s hand-picked choice, for whom the previously serving general, David McKiernan, was unceremoniously removed. That switch was one of Obama’s first major decisions as commander-in-chief. tThis is now called a good decision?

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sfd, They don’t hate us for what we do, they hate us for who we are.

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Southern Comfort, c’mon now, you’re better than that. It wasn’t German “hubris” (you’ve been watching The Longest Day again). It was America’s resources and delayed (combat) entry into the war. Simply put, we killed more of them, and bombed their cities and industrial infrastructure into cinders. By the end of the war there were 13 and 14 year olds and septugenarians amongst the German ranks. And where can I find the “structure and discipline” in Abu Ghrib? Pat Tilman’s death? GITMO? Haditha? Nope, words like “structure and discipline” are for old school football coaches and the nuns at my old Catholic grammar school. I encourage you to read the late David Hackworth’s memoir; About Face. He used the mantra “out-G the G” (out guerilla the guerilla) when fighting the Viet Cong, and while his base camps were viewed as “undisciplined” by his superiors, his results were second to none.

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Yes, yes, it’s true. He’ll be okay though. He already has a job offer from two hamburger fast food chains to promote their collaberation of a small burger called the “McCrystal”.

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(Dusty at 4:26, Robert Gates is the SecDef, not Bill Gates. Bill Gates is known for doing something else.)

“McChrystal should have resigned, and then let the American public know what fools our adminstration are.”

Yeah, make Obama look bad, that’s what’s important. Hey, I’m sure this person would refer to herself as a patriot, but the comment is one more illustration of the utter contempt the far-right wing has for our own soldiers. ANYTHING is fair game, including the lives and safety of our military men and women, if it provides sensational talking points. If you consider your party more precious than your country, of course the ends will always justify the means. The soldiers are merely political props.

And if your side gets back the power in November, just what would they do with it? Almost all the same Republicans are still in Washington, so what exactly do you think is going to change? After blowing through a surplus and running up $9 trillion in debt, they’ve proven they’re not fiscal responsible, and you already know they won’t stand up for your interests (unless you’re a major corporate donor, that is). As for the Tea Party candidates…how long do you think they’ll stay “pure” when they are in perpetual campaign fundraising mode, begging for cash and taking it wherever they can?

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Well at least the lame stream media did not accuse the general of being “a baby killer”!

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Dusty, I very rarely see your point, but I agree. It’s like saying, “you’re the most qualified for the job, but you didn’t file a tax return…” Or, “…out background check revealed an overdue library book from 1984…” It’s plain and simple, McChrystal wouldn’t kiss Obama’s ring, and that pisses off a king. Too bad McChrystal couldn’t “releive” all the enlisted grunts who mocked him.

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heathen

“They don’t hate us for what we do, they hate us for who we are.”

I would tend to agree with this. This is what makes this such a difficult matter of winning the thoughts and minds…”they” being the terrorists couching their venom in religious garb…

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neo

Hitler was intent on building his Aryan “Super race”. What idiot would decide he can take on an entire continent or the world for that matter and be successful. Sheer numbers will overwhelm you.

Simply put, we killed more of them, and bombed their cities and industrial infrastructure into cinders.

Am I to believe that those actions were not planned or “structured” to do that? Did we just somehow manage to pull off those feats without the discipline of the military personnel who were trained to do just that?

As far as Vietnam, our military was pretty much fighting with one hand behind it’s back the whole time. You adapt the fight to the person you’re fighting, but you never move away from your strengths to do it. From what I’ve read, Vietnam was fought pretty much the same way we’re fighting now. Our military isn’t trained to fight PR battles. They are trained to neutralize an enemy that is trying to kill them. If a soldier takes off his uniform and put on civilian clothing, you can not tell him from civilians without his weapon. Who knows for sure if all the “civilians” who have been killed in Afghanistan are really civilians. I can somewhat understand kids, but these terrorist groups have been using women and children to carry out their deeds for a while.

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LETs FACE IT…BOOKMAN…& all HIS MARXISTs buddies hate the military…they hate American military might…that incluses the entire White House……all of them hate the military

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Paul:

Wouldn’t that be rich? Republicans take Congress, and they’re the ones who follow the ‘change the way we do things in Washington” that Pres Obama called for? Not the Democrats who came in with him?

There’s hope, ’cause they’ve seen the enemy and it is THE PEOPLE!

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Whoopee….most surely…another book coming out. Doncha feel it? “McChrystal’s Clarity” or “Cracked by a Kook” or some other curious cutie. There will be interviews. Someone will catch the general in a “lie” they suggested. The interviewer will be incensed. The Inquirer will say the General cried and Obama lied. .. And more publicity!!!!!

Get ready, Bookman, This may be a golden oportunity for you. I can see it now. Bookman’s title “Bush Broke the Chrystal”. or “Did Palin see Afghanistan from Alaska” ..the true story!!. Paperback of course…

Call the publishing house NOW!!!

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Paul

That would definitey be rich… I won’t hold my breath for that though on the account that I need oxygen to live.

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““Conservatives care about results, leftists and media care about image.”

And IF ONLY you cons cared about *effective, successful* results instead of caring about justifying your horrible results, it might even make a bit of sense…”

Please. You are booth equally absurd in your gross over-generalizations.

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Dusty, perhaps not a book but good chance McChrystal may be the next Fox military analyst.

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I think this was a great choice considering that Petraeus has never been found passed out in the shower, drunk. Consdering he was labeled a troublemaker at West Point and helped cover up Pat Tillman’s death, i would have rejected him in the first place. But Obama took Gates’ reconmendation.

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Obama said he it was difficult to make this decision and said some nice things about McChrystal–all photo-op as usual. If we could only hear in private what Obama really said we would have to cover our ears. McChrystal is a very intelligent man and I have to wonder if he did this on purpose because the civil leadership vs. the military command was becoming insufferable and he needed to bring attention to the great divide between the military and Washington civil leaders over the military. McChrystal never did get all the support he should have had in order to fight the Afghan war. He should have covered his flank at all times–or perhaps didn’t on purpose. Anyhow, Petraeus is a great replacement.

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That’s what dreams are for, Paul…

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The anointed one: “Now is the time for all of us to come together.”

America to POTUS: Yeah, like you and your lackeys have been engaged in that so far. We’ve got some news for you: we are coming together. You’ll get the full memo in November. You have our word on it. We saw Biden standing at the podium. Did he say, “This is f_ _ king huge?” Oh, BTW, we caught Rahm lying. His lips were moving. Fire him too.

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A CONSERVATIVE . if Jimmy Carter and Ethel Rosenberg had a b@stard love child, it would still be better than obama..

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What we need to win this war is a tax cut. About 750 billion from the DoD budget should do nicely for funding it.

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President Obama followed proper protocol and allowed general McChrystal to resign. Nothing wimpy or wrong with that at all. As for if it was the right decision, anyone who has served knows the top brass are excruciatingly trained in proper decorum and public speaking and the press. He and his staff’s remarks were over the top. No sitting president would have allowed him or his staff to keep their jobs. The jury’s out as to how Patreus will do.

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I don’t see anything to criticize in the way Obama handled McChrystal. The much more important issue is how he is handling the war, and folks like Jay don’t want to discuss that aspect of this story.

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JOURNALISM IS DEAD….DEAD….DEAD…

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McChrystal was insubordinate and you can’t have insubordination at any level in the military; it simply undermines the whole organization. McChrystal had to know that. Me thinks his actions fall into two categories… 1. He got too big for his britches… even 4-star britches… gold nunchucks?… gimme a break… that’s like Patton’s pearl revolvers… nothing worse than a self-obsessed person in power and 2. He saw Obama for the inexperienced leader that he is. Today, the self-obsessed 4-star was relieved of duty but the inexperienced leader is still in the White House. Being President is a little tougher than being a community organizer or being able to make a good speech. Let’s hope PRESBO is a quick study or we’re in for more of the same.

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Obama for six more years followed by Biden for eight years… that should provide me with plenty of cheap entertainment from the Republicans.

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I saw it reported that McChrystal said he actually voted for Obama (was that in the RS article?). What irony; a General who’s an Obama supporter gets canned for his aides trashing Obama and gets replaced by General “Betray-us” (remember all that nonsense from the left?). Only in America.

I still stand by my conviction this was a setup. The Rolling Stone had how many quotes of McChrystal? Was that NONE?

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Art: Where’s the proof McChrystal was insubordinate? I haven’t seen any. There could well be sufficient justification here to can the man, but insubordination? I think not.

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” Was that NONE?”

hate to tell you this, but McChrystal knew the situation FAR, FAR better than you do. He went to that meeting with a resignation in his pocket. The meeting only lasted 30 minutes. You don’t REALLY think that he only decided to resign in just that tiny window of time, do you?

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Southern Comfort, last thoughts on military history.
Hitler wasn’t an idiot. I suppose he was a megalomaniac, if anything. I suspect, given his desire to rule the world, and knowing Germany did not have the industrial resources of the Allies, he knew he would have to attack Russia sooner rather than later. Also, I would argue it was the German obsession with “structure and discipline” which led so many “good soldiers” to “follow orders” even as in doing so, their homeland was destroyed. As far as American/Allied strategic bombing, I don’t know that it is evidence of “discipline” if one accepts it was the way we waged war against the Nazi’s in 1945, as opposed to war against the Taliban in 2010. RE: Vietnam, there was an old saying about killing civilains; “the dead ones aren’t civilians, they’re VC”. It should be noted that Hackworth found the concept of “body counts” to be at best pointless in determining success or failure on the battlefield, and at worst counter-productive (see: McChrystal’s counter-insurgency math). And I am not so sure that McChrystal’s “marriage” to the newly formulated COIN doctrine will prove prudent, but it did reveal his desire to think differently than the traditional Pentagon brass. And, larry, I only care if my soldiers are found “passed out drunk” in combat. And McChrystal corrected his error re: Tillman, when he learned it may have been fratricide. His intial reports were based on the reports of those in the field when Tillman was killed.

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Well, it’s finally here. The Apocalypse. Oil has ruined my beloved Gulf forever. An earthquake in Ottawa today. And Eliot Spitzer has been given his own show on CNN.

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Jim@4:52pm.

An interesting thought. I’ve wondered myself how a career soldier particularly of his rank and accomplishment could toss away years of discipline and military bearing for an interview in Rolling Stone. Maybe he did do it with a purpose. Maybe there will be a lot more to this story ahead.

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MoveOn.org published this ad. Leftist crickets are chirping……………

http://lh4.ggpht.com/ivan1087/RuXapZ21gnI/AAAAAAAAAgI/baPlvVvWkqw/General+Betray+Us.jpg

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Moveon.org is such a funny website. You can’t even access links without registering.

Talk about PARANOIA !

What a bunch of cowards and wussies. LMAO

And they have a whole 90,777 likes on facebook….. ohhhhhh. Al Gore must have liked himself about 50,000 times.

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“Maybe he did do it with a purpose. Maybe there will be a lot more to this story ahead.”

Look for the new book coming soon, pays way better than any pension – ask Palin.

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“Serious question: does this put to rest the idea the Afghan mission is a NATO-led and run mission, not a US-run mission?”

“Serious?” There is nothing “serious” about NATO – been dead for years and Afghanistan only confirmed it.

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Obama thinks he prevented a coup today.

Our POTUS is an incompetent boob.

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More Proof Patton kicked Azz..(and Obama IS an Azz)

Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.” –General George S. Patton, Jr.

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If we need wars, then we need a draft. Bring back the draft or end the wars. Everyone between the ages of 18 and 55 would be required to serve one year initially, starting with the 55 year-olds, and re-cycle as many times as needed. And if we must have a war, then we should have a war tax to pay for it. The tax would be highly progressive, with oil companies being charged a flat 65 percent, billionaires 60 percent, millionaires 50 percent and folks making less than 250,000 would pay a tithe.

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SPQR

Manly men wear ivory.

Got it.

Then again, as I’m fond of pointing out, our military guys love wearing patent leather shoes and puffy-legged trousers tucked into their knee-high booties…..

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Paul, re:AmVet: definitely curmudgeon.

The champ of curmudgeon.

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TaxPayer is absolutely wrong.

Eliminate The War Powers Act.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.

The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.

TaxPayer — Either Declare War with an official proclamation from Congress or no troops anywhere to fight.

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You wouldn’t, by any chance, be 56, would you?

Well, I sure ain’t within the stated age limits. That just wouldn’t be right given that it’s my fantasy.

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President Obama finally did something decisive. Obama has over-reached and under-reached on so many issues, he really fit the Hillary profile of not being ready for that early morning red-phone call.

However, this is all ashes in the mouth because Afghanistan is lost. We did not hit the iron when it was hot, and that is on W. That we continue with this quagmire is on Obama.

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TaxPayer 6:15

Well, since you put it that way, no… it really wouldn’t….

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Paul, guilty as charged.

But what the hell, I love my life. More now, than ever…

“Because,” he said, “you’re supposed to be dead and we want to know why you’re not!”

josef, who cares? I’m glad you’re here pal.

I completely attribute my implausible survival to the fact that I was in the best shape of my life when I was afflicted at 50. (I was training to compete in the Georgia Senior Olympics, and could best the vast percentage of guys half my age at any fitness competition.)

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Whether you love Obama or detest him, today’s action was a brilliant political move. With everybody set to blast him, he annoints Petraeus as the new Afghanistan commander. Not even the most ardent right-wing fanatic can find fault with Petraeus, and nobody can defend the actions of McChrystal. Many in Congress are left speechless. Nobody could have anticipated Obama’s appointing McChrystal’s superior as his replacement. This thing was as slick as greased owl s—. Whoever came up with and sold the idea needs to get a big pay increase.

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I realize it’s only Wednesday, but you guys are begging for this.

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OK losers. Follow your lemming off the cliff. I have a nephew wounded Marine. At Bethesda Obama has visited the first floor once. Bush visited almost every time he was in town, including the upper floors, and actually cared. This is from soldiers that were there. Obama is not well liked by the command in Afghanistan or the soldiers in the field. Period. And it welled all the way up into Rolling Stone mag. If the same story had occurred during Bush term you losers would have crucified Bush. Spin it how you like.

Next subject: Google it or look it up, then keep your head in the sand.

Egyptian Foreign Minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim in confidence, would “deal” with Israel
Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrug is working on this story as we speak (check her site for updates).
“”The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim.”
That was the claim of Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit, as reported in the May 2010 issue of Israel Today. According to journalist Avi Lipkin, Gheit appeared on Nile TV’s “Round Table Show” in January, on which he said that “he had had a one-on-one meeting with Obama who swore to him that he was a Moslem, the son of a Moslem father and step-son of Moslem step-father, that his half-brothers in Kenya were Moslems, and that he was loyal to the Moslem agenda.”
Obama allegedly said this in the context of reassuring Gheit that he would soon deal with Israel:
He asked that the Moslem world show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic American problems (Healthcare) [sic], that he would show the Moslem world what he would do with Israel.”
Read the full original piece by Geller in The American Thinker and check her site for updates. Let me revise this suggest, Get over to the American Thinker and take a look at the full list of things Obama has done regarding the Muslim world (there are links all to reliable sources) much of which I did not know about –so not covered by the media you know. Holy cow.

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AmVet

Glad to be here and glad to spend some time with you. That experience does tend to give you a certain right to be irascible, though, don’t it? To what is my implausible survival attributed? Well, according to Unmentionable, “spite, pure spite!”

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AmVet

The fact you were in that shape at 50 tells me you didn’t get there overnight? Reinforces the idea that achieving a certain level of fitness, and then unfortunately hitting a slump that may last a while, has enduring benefits?

At least I hope it does…

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Well, dang it, I been just about stripped buck-nekkid and tied to a tree. I was all set to blast Obama and now he’s went and put in somebody I like even better than McChrystal. Looks like the best us Conservatives can do is come up with some of the weak political pablum Sister Dusty puts out. I seen on Fox News some of our favorite Republican senators coming out with stuff like McChrystal had to go and Petraeus is a good choice. Looks like they’re tied buck-nekkid to the tree too. It ain’t fair. I tell you, you can’t trust these Chicago politicans. But we’ll get him next time.

Have a good night everybody.

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“Winning” actually has different meaning depending on one’s perspective. For me, winning is not ever needing to fight a war to begin with. Then, we could all get a tax cut since we would no longer need to spend a trillion dollars a year on the DoD. Now that’s a win-win… win, win, win, win.

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No matter WHO is in charge over in Afghanistan…this is a war we’ve been losing since day 1. It’s a war we will continue to lose if all we do is fight with bullets, bombs, and money (you know…pay offs to war lords). AS I’ve said before… hitting someone upside their head with a rock, or killing one of their loved ones/friends/neighbors/etc. is NOT going to turn their views and opinions towards us favorably. One will never win the “War on Terrorism” by using conventional weapons and modern war practices. They’ll never be the “society” that WE want them to be. This war there….is nothing but a complete waste of money and lives. It has been that from the start. If we sent in 2,000,000 troops and were there for 20 more years it would not matter…the second we pulled out it would go back to being just what it was before we ever invaded. All we’re doing there is creating more terrorists. There will be many little kids who will grow up to seek revenge for their own father’s death. Anyone that believes that we CAN win a war in Afghanistan knows little about the country…the many different regions and tribes…and about just WHAT and WHO we are fighting. We’re NOT fighting Afghanistan and a nation…we’re fighting religious and political beliefs. Same thing that goes on in our own nation… luckily we don’t use our military to fight that war (though I believe some wish we would).

Petraeus will not be able to win this war. He might kill more humans… but that’s not winning when all we do is create MORE terrorists.

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Saul Good

So…. ya’ got any suggestions?

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Gen. McKrystal was lucky in that the Pentagon and his civilian bosses did not bring charges of insubordination against him. This could have led directly to court-martial.

News reports indicates the Afghan economy is worth roughly $14 Billion annually and we spend approximately $100 Billion annually to defend what and whom?

Time to take our troops out of the country as the Taliban has been dispersed to Pakistan.

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Throwing caution to the wind..

Make it pulling that number at Wings & Things.

Schnirt

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“Gen. McKrystal was lucky in that the Pentagon and his civilian bosses did not bring charges of insubordination against him.”

They didn’t because, unlike many on this blog, they actually READ McChrystal’s remarks directly attributed to him. He said ONE STINKIN’ THING about Amb. Richard Holbrooke. That’s it. ALL the rest were attributed to his aides or those below him.

All McChrystal knew was that he wasn’t going to get past the small-man in the White House, so he wisely chose not to fight that battle and tendered his resignation.

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**Mr.Karl Marx…you liberals are getting your AS@ kicked reak good..JAY Marx….getting it kicked real good.**

The doors of your perception just might be closed.

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Patraeus should be the next Repub nominee for POTUS. No baggage, well educated, a natural leader who isn’t afraid of making decisions, respected world wide, PhD in world politics, distinguished military career…. what’s not to like?

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General Petraeus will request and get a massive “surge” in Afghanistan.

Obama promised to leave by late summer next year.

How’s that gonna work?

MoveOn.org will be covering the story for those who might be interested.

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“Patraeus should be the next Repub nominee for POTUS.”

Might be why he was named as replacement – would be awful hard to pull out of an active theater of war to run for potus.

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“It’s much deeper. How does one change one’s “beliefs” they were taught since childhood?”

Considering it is the “birthplace” and foundation for many of those beliefs, doubt it will ever be remedied. It would truly take a “miracle” to end it – so odds are pretty slim.

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George W

“General Petraeus will request and get a massive “surge” in Afghanistan.”

I think you’re probably right there….

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Doggone/GA said: “…IF you CHOOSE to”

Not “brainwashing” the NEXT generation of humans might give them a running start towards peace.

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“Become an apostate”

Works for me!

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“But that still presupposes that THIS generation CHOOSES to change. But in any case it doesn’t matter, anyone can choose to change.”

EXACTLY!!!

But by TRYING to bring about change by “force”… or by using terror… that’s not a “choice”… and it’s far from working. I believe it just makes one dig in deeper.

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“there remains the fact that no one knows which are being washed with fact or fiction.”

Yup!

(either way…it creates a human who grows up and “believes” what they do regardless of the “facts”… add a little “fear” to the brainwashing of a child…and it creates a “believer” for life).

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“it creates a human who grows up and “believes” what they do regardless of the “facts”…”

Regardless of what facts??

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AmVet, josef, electrician

AmVet , is correct about the values of physical fitness particularly when faced with a potentially terminal health condition. I was diagnosed with cancer 16 years ago, had surgery and worked out more than I even did since the military. 5 mile runs every other mornings, lap swims and weight work out on the other days. Declined chemo and radiation adjuvent therapy and had a met to the liver 4 years later. I went on the operating table in great physical condition and they only found one small lesion, where in most metastatic cancer conditions there are multiples with survival very low. Still around 16 years later. I thank God for my good fortune as I felt guided to pick up that fitness discipline.

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md

“Regardless of what facts??”

The question I keep asking and for which I get no answers…

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Doggone…I believe that by using “force”… we only created more terrorists…and continue to do so. I mean if my own father/mother/brother/sister were murdered by another invading force from a far away land when I was a child… I myself would not want to murder all others from that far away land… but I’d be effected deeply by it. Most are NOT like me…I believe that MOST “would” want to one day avenge the death of their family member whom they loved.

And so…..the cycle of distrust and hate continues…

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Del
In all seriousness, I do attribute mine to good physical condition, good mental condition, and good spiritual condition… and, of course, pure spite!

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“I believe that by using “force”… we only created more terrorists…and continue to do so”

Of course we did, and still do.

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josef,

Been moderated for some strange reason. I posted never let the XXXXXXX get you down, no matter what form they take. Off to chow, be back later.

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“I mean if my own father/mother/brother/sister were murdered by another invading force from a far away land when I was a child… I myself would not want to murder all others from that far away land… but I’d be effected deeply by it. Most are NOT like me…I believe that MOST “would” want to one day avenge the death of their family member whom they loved.”

Good thing the Germans and Japanese don’t think like you do.

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“Regardless of what facts??”

The question I keep asking and for which I get no answers…”

OK Jo, I’ll give you the answer – there are no facts – now, carry on with your beliefs.

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Well, AmVet, that does explain a lot. Glad you recovered. It takes a lot of meaness to fight that hard!
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But EMERGENCY!!!!

Did Redneck say he might get “stripped nakid and tied to a tree”? Heaven help us. Some sights are not fit for human eyes. That is one of ‘em.

Just think, RedNeck as bare as a newborn baby!!! ARGHHHH There’ll be panic in the streets!!!….

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“I believe that by using “force”… we only created more terrorists…and continue to do so.”

And I believe this is another chicken and egg argument. Who started what………… and when.

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“And I believe this is another chicken and egg argument. Who started what………… and when”

It doesn’t matter, what matters is which side has the courage to reject continuing on that circle. And there IS an answer to the “chicken and egg”

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md

“OK Jo, I’ll give you the answer – there are no facts – now, carry on with your beliefs.”

I agree and I do…I just wish the missionaries of the “other viewpoint” would accept the same premise or offer me more “proof” than I can offer them…

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Dusty, please! I just ate. I do NOT need that visual in my head about Redneck!

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Del @ 7:24

Great story and very inspiring! Every day really is a masterpiece…

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I might not agree it’s the best “system” in the world but it is without a doubt the best “care” for those of us blessed to have the access…

Well, perhaps, but unless you’ve actually sampled that care from various countries, kinda hard to assess.

Anyway, gives me an excuse to post this shocker:

Non-Old People Love Obamacare

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Doggone/GA

“There is an answer to the ‘chicken & egg’ ”

hmmmm Omelet? Rooster rotissorie? Poulette pompoms de roadkill?

Don’t keep us in suspense!

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Is this a coincidence?

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I think therefore I’m not. No. Wait a moment. That’s not how it goes.

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We have the best access to healthcare that money can be and it is structured much like the options that one can purchase, on a sliding scale, from Dish Network.

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That should be “money can buy”. I guess I was still stuck on to be or not to be.

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Coito, ergo sum!

md
It’s why I say G-d has a sense of humor! Or at least irony…

sfd

I have had experience abroad. I was particularly impressed by the Costa Ricans…

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Saul
The mere fact that your own ancestors chose to assimilate into that cultural milieu means that they bought into that myth, legend and tradition…

But you say you don’t judge…yes, you do…you paint the trailer/Confederate flag with the same broad brush of contempt and arrogance as some alien “other…” You do the same with persons of faith. That’s why I call you a garden variety bigot. Not particularly mean, not particularly hateful, and no real threat to the order of society, but still in your own self imposed shtettl and waving your own Cross of St. Andrew…

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Curious

“I can hear you down here!”
When I was going through mine, it was as if I were an observer. The one putting the paddles on was telling me “hold on, you’re going to make it,” and ordering me not to “go anywhere.” I was at perfect peace and I remember thinking and thinking I was saying it, “okay, Sugar, if that’s what you want. I don’t want to be any trouble…”

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Stand for Decibels,

Anybody who receives information from Doctors Without Borders can get a good idea of what happens in many countries in this world of ours. It is tragic. Almost beyond American imagination.

We in the USA should appreciate the best health system in the world. It is there for just about everybody. Some places it is easier to get to than others and it may take some effort to get it.

But that is true for almost anything we need. We are the fortunates of this world and for that we should be very thankful. So many more yearn for that privilege.

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Josef,

For some reason I don’t think that is what Doggone had in mind for the chicken and the egg debate.

As to your egg, I think she should have set the nest on fire and burned some tail feathers.
Sir Rooster was an uninvited guest!! Set the fox on all roosters who never pay “biddy” support.

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I’d love to see sfb’s poll numbers once the healthy young people start footing the bill.

You mean the ones who have been dodging acquiring insurance? The ones who spend all their spare money on motorcycles and fast cars and new gadgets and then get hauled to an emergency room when they get wrapped around a tree? The ones who stiff the hospital and doctors after treatment and leave us insureds with higher health insurance premiums and taxpayers with higher taxes to make up the difference? Those health young people?

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What will AmVet, Mick and the rest of the “wounded liberals” say when General Petraeus wants a surge in Afghanistan?

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Please! Don’t even suggest that Obama fire Bob Gates. We need at least one good head in Washington and Gates is one of the few.

Besides, the Russian policy toward Iran is “schizophrenic”..

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Dusty
Biddy support…

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kayaker71, I half-think Obama employed the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war – in a Michael Corleone; “…keep your friend close, but your enemies closer…” kinda way – like offering Hillary Sec of State to get her off the board before the Convention – offering Patreus the gig. If he’s tied up in that quagmire, he can’t run for POTUS. What I find absolutely amusing about this whole mess is the idea that the White House or the “civilian” DoD liaiasons have never uttered an unkind word about a general, the Sec of Defense. the fact that Rolling Stone was there to jot this stuff down is moot in my book. Is McChrystal full of himself? Perhaps, but I’d rather have a general with bravado; willing to stand behind his guys, as opposed to a bunch of thin-skinned political operatives who are still waiting for their cajones to drop.

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Dusty:

I would never suggest such a thing.

I thought I read where Gates is only gonna serve Obama’s first term, which I’m hoping will be his only term.

Seven words Mr. President…seven little words. Is that too much to ask. You’re not up to the task. You know you’re not.

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Can these numbers be right?

Education Pension Millionaires?

That’s right. Former Niles Township school superintendent Neil Codell is projected to receive $26,661,604 in retirement checks from the Illinois teacher pension plan.

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Why did our president change his name to Barack?

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Why was the Vice President standing there getting tube time? He’s not in the chain of command.

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If you’re out of work, China’s hiring people to do nothing.

Rent a White Guy

Unfortunately the Chinese are racists.

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Obama’s policy on Afghanistan is – FAIL

Obama’s policy on The Oil Spill – ULTIMATE FAIL

Jobs – FAIL

My Healthcare – FAIL

Please vote the candidate you don’t know in November. It worked for me. Please do not pay attention.

Vote for Progress in 2010.

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josef:

He’s kind of like a “Gabby Hayes”.

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Scout

Yeah, but Gabby could act and stuck to the script…

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“OFF TOPIC #1″

1) “Between 1965 and 1973 the Red Cross carried out 475 inspections of Prisoner of War camps in South Vietnam, while North Vietnam refused even one inspection of their Prisoner of War camps.”

“An American Amnesia” by Bruce Herschensohn

2) “They are liars and hypocrites, and history will judge them severely.”

Jane Fonda (regarding our returned American POW’s}

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“Daddy, Mommy says you should start wearing epaulets on your shoulders.”

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Del…

Nine lives, you say…

“A cat in despondency sighed,
And resolved to commit suicide,
She passed under the wheels
Of eight automobiles,
And under the ninth one she died.”

Seriously, though, I’m not sure if I’ve “beat it” or not, but so far, so good. I just take every day as it comes and, I know it riles some, but every day, every minute, is a gift of the Cr-ator,,,whatever that Cr-ator may be, and, to tell you the truth, I ain’t in no big hurry to find out!

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That sure resonates. outstanding post.

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josef,

I know who that creator is and I’ll pray that you’ll discover too, but only while you’re enjoying a long and abundant life.

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This is an issue I had thought about because of Unmentionable’s profession and just how often when in contact with his coworkers just how often they come from abroad, and particularly Africa and the Caribbean…

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Back in a bit…Betty White time!

Del..
Not to worry, the Cr-ator and I are on a first name basis!

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PSA

Hot in Cleveland begins in 60 seconds

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Nevada allows and encourages gambling and prostituion.

In Nevada you can legally gamble one hour and buy a hooker the next.

FREEDOM !

States make their own rules !

Duhhhhhhh……..

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Jackie:

And what’s worse is he even “voted” for “Private” Obama !

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Excuse me: “Iraq”

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@Scout

You are lucky that you are not on active duty as your comments could come under scrutiny of the UCMJ. I would bet your First Sergeant would chew your hip, lighten up your arm and give you plenty of KP duty.

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Jackie:

Please read “An American Amnesia (How the U.S. Congress Forced the Surrenders of South Vietnam and Cambodia)” by Bruce Herschensohn (which I just this afternoon finished), go to the Vietnam Wall (before dawn by yourself as I have) and then we’ll debate my remarks.

And since I have been a civilian these past 40+ years I have the right to stand proudly by them !

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No, Jackie, you are incorrect. Again. First, I stated that McChrystal DIDN’T make any disparaging remarks against Hope & Change, but only one remark directly attributed to him was against Holbrooke.

ALL other remarks were attributed to aides or subordinates.

Now, for me, making the remark about Holbrooke doesn’t even come close to violating the UCMJ, as ambassadors are not in the chain of command, and especially if it was true.

They could have tried to fire him, and had a real war on their hands they could never win (because McChrystal actually knows how to fight), of they could accept his resignation. It was the best solution to this, and as Dennis Miller pointed out tonight, McChrystal will never have to buy a beer or a round of golf for himself the rest of his life.

I’d buy him one right now if I could.

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AmVet. Your comments show you don’t even know what McChrystal actually said.

One remark directly attributed to him.

One.

Not “things he said”.

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Hummmmm …………………

Headline: “Blago calls Obama ‘hen-pecked’ by Michelle”

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Hillbilly
If you’re still about. There are those that just will never get it. It’s what I call the deracinated. The concept of direct and lineal connection with that which went before is simply not there and it is fruitless to appeal to it. It is, in my opinion, what lies at the heart of so much of our problems in dealing with foreign cultures where rootedness is a reality of cultural weltanschauung. Unmentionable made the comment during Bosnia-Kossovo in relation to President Clinton’s foreign policy “the son of Appomattox understands the Plain of Crows…”

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josef:

Guess where I went to elementary school?

Hint: I killed a lot of Yankees coming up over the ridge ever recess !

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Glenn Beck is a weirdo. His “Crime Inc” story deserves to be investigated.

google.com slash crime inc

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I hope EVERYONE that works at “center for science in the public interest”, die in amusing accidents, like hit by a meteor, killed by a tranny prostitute over a matter of $20, building collapse, stepping on the 3rd rail of a subway while trying to knock a happy meal out of a kids hand..after wasting their lives worrying and trying to force people to eat and dink only “approved foods” thru socialist anti capitalist thuggery like their idol, the big eared b@stard.

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@Scout

Here is the article from Rolling Stone. You only have to read the first two pages to see where the General violated article 88 of the UCMJ.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

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Josef

I agree that some folks will never get it. When I walk in my yard, I’m literally the 4th generation to walk on the same ground. That’s something you either understand or you don’t.

I think rootlessness plays a part but that’s not all of it. If I moved to Mississippi, or New York, or Alaska or wherever, I would figure it was up to me to do the fitting in, not the people who already lived there. Some people don’t get that either.

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Jackie:

I don’t doubt it. I don’t feel sorry for him. He voted for Obama too !

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Hillbilly
And that is the point, the insistence that the natives change to be like the immigrant. Woodrow Wilson once said that “the South is the only place where nothing has to be explained to me.” Our detractor cannot grasp that “those people” he feels so superior to are “my” people and that I am connected with them in a fashion that transcends race, creed or color and that an attack on them is an attack on me.

And, I believe, that is why there exists such an antipathy toward Southerners, it is a jealousy of that sense of belonging.

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@Dave R.

Please read the Rolling Stone article and you will see for yourself, Gen. McChrystal disparaged the Vice President, the Pentagon leadership, the Ambassador to Afghanistan – himself a retired 3-star, Richard Holbrook and others in the civilian chain-of-command.

Afraid you are wrong.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

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Does information threaten the USA?

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Jackie
The Cross of St Andrew is NOT the Confederate flag…it is the flag under which, for better or worse, right or wrong, the most amazing conglomeration of ethnic and social heritages fought…just because it has been usurped by the hate mongers of both factions as their “symbol” does not diminish that historical reality…

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josef:

Your wasting your time. They just can’t seem to understand history.

Maybe I should remind them the U.S. flag flew on the slave ships, over the Japanese American internment camps in WWII and was the last thing a lot of American Indians saw just before the U.S. Cavalry put a bullet between their eyes. The next thing you know, Mexican and Islamic immigrants will say “Old Glory” offends them.

Then what ?

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P.S. to Jackie:

When I was there, my buddy Marines and I always talked about why we couldn’t invade North Vietnam since they were invading the South? That’s what we wanted to do !

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josef:

Exactly.

That’s why the whole “battle flag” thing was so silly. They exchanged it for the “political flag” of the Confederacy (the Stars & Bars) and most of them are too ignorant of history to know it.

In many ways, the joke is on them !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

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Scout…
True. And thanks for the 12:08 on which note of good cheer I shall bid all a g’night…

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Senate Democrats struggled Wednesday to revive a bill extending jobless benefits and a host of other spending and tax measures as they searched for ways to reduce the measure’s deficit impact and attract critical GOP support. Democrats weighed $8 billion in cuts in a state aid package dearly sought by the nation’s governors as they sought to pare back the cost of the bill to win over moderate Republicans.-Urinal

50 billion in new spending with 8 billion in “cuts” that you know they will never make.

It’s almost as though they are trying to give your future away, ain’t it?

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“Dennis Miller pointed out tonight, McChrystal will never have to buy a beer or a round of golf for himself the rest of his life.”

He also couldn’t win a war over in Afghanistan in the manner in which he choose to fight it. He could have spent the “rest of his life” doing things as he was…and he would have still lost…lost more lives, lost more of our tax dollars,….

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A direct quote from General McChrystal a few monthes ago—————-

“We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever proven to be a threat,” said Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, who became the senior American and NATO commander in Afghanistan last year. His comments came during a recent videoconference to answer questions from troops in the field about civilian casualties.”

No problem.

Yet he gets into trouble for his people making a few jokes and candid remarks about the regime.

Wrong on so many levels.

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“This is a change in personnel,” Obama said, “but it is not a change in policy.”

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I belong… actually, I think it comes down to being born north or south of the Mason-Dixon Line… in that case, based upon this logic and train of thought… Lil’ Jose Sanchez who is born to his illegal immigrant parents in Forsyth County, GA is just as Southern as someone born there with 10 generations of ancestors who still reside on the land given to them by our government that was taken away and stolen from the Cherokees.

Since one of my Grandmothers was born in Baltimore… I guess that makes me a “quarter” Southerner”….how ya like dem apples?

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So Obo is putting a guy that “betrayed us” in charge ?

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Normal – 7:27 – it reminds me of the old “living in the south doesn’t make you a southernor anymore than my cat lying in the oven would make it a biscuit”

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do you think they realize that Petreus never went away, he only went to centcomm?

It’s not even that, so much, it’s the “oh yeah, I remember now, the Dems lined up to call him ‘BETRAY US’ because they soooo hate the troops” meme that, what is it now, four, five numbskulls have seen fit to dump in here?

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I think it comes down to being born north or south of the Mason-Dixon Line…

and east of the Mississippi.

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Normal – 7:51 – HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY!!! fantastic news – tell her WELL DONE!! (and, see??? you can’t go by what the techs do in the exam room – they really aren’t allowed to tell you anything)

oh, that is such fantatic news – I’m so very happy for her and you and the whole dang clan.

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you know what will make her feel good?? Stevie Wonder is playing at Glastonbury this weekend on Sunday – see if you can pick it up on the BBC website – or look for it on YouTube …

as long as he doesn’t play that “I just called to say I love you” crapola, it’ll be a good show

(yes, we have an embarassment of riches to choose from this weekend … England v. Germany on Sunday … Glasto starting tonight and going all weekend … Wimbledon … SA-WEET!!!)

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morning.. just a few comments..

“McChrystal ousted, replaced by Petraeus”

he turned in his resignation.. that makes him ousted?

“President Obama dismissed Gen. McChrystal today”.
again.. its only words.. while true in message.. wouldnt accuracy in reporting be.. obama accepts resignation?

“I welcome debate among my team, but I won’t tolerate division,” Obama said, noting the strict code of conduct required of our military. “The strength and greatness of our military is rooted in the fact that this code applies equally to newly enlisted privates and to general officer who command them.” He stressed the importance of the chain of command “and respect for civilian control over that chain of command.”

he better get ready to fire a good chunk of the military.. most of the people i know that are still in think he is an f’ing moron.. that should qualify as “division”

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Union – “he turned in his resignation”

and I’ll bet you think people leave their positions to spend more time with their family, too.

he “was resigned”, as the saying goes …

“McChrystal, on the morning of his firing, made it apparent that he still didn’t understand the gravity of his offense. Arriving at the Pentagon, he was asked by NBC News whether he had offered his resignation. “Come on, you know better than that. No!” he replied. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/23/AR2010062304961.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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most of the people i know that are still in think he is an f’ing moron..

Hey, guess what? Most of the military people I know think GWB is an f’in moron!

Funny how that whole “circle of acquaintances” thingie works, huh?

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most of the people i know that are still in think he is an f’ing moron.. that should qualify as “division”

Yet they remain. It must be for the money rather than for their country, eh.

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ahh. you guys and (gals) are always right about everything.. what the heck would i know after 12 years.. and yes taxpayer.. we do it for our country and after a time for our friends..

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Twelve years old! Kinda young to be bloggin’.

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Dawg Dad, you obviously never served in the military or if you did, you kept out of trouble and never had to deal with the UCMJ but… Trust me… I was a legal officer and a Commanding Officer and what General McChystal said and did was definitely insubordination. He had to go on that principle alone despite the fact that PRESBO isn’t up to the task.

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