McChrystal ousted, replaced by Petraeus
President Obama dismissed Gen. McChrystal today.
“I welcome debate among my team, but I won’t tolerate division,” Obama said, noting the strict code of conduct required of our military. “The strength and greatness of our military is rooted in the fact that this code applies equally to newly enlisted privates and to general officer who command them.” He stressed the importance of the chain of command “and respect for civilian control over that chain of command.”
McChrystal, who met the president briefly this morning, released a statement confirming his resignation and reiterating his support for U.S. policy in Afghanistan.
Obama replaced McChrystal with Gen. David Petraeus. His standing and reputation should reassure leaders in Afghanistan and in NATO capitols while minimizing the chaos inevitable in a change of command.
Given the circumstances, the situation has been handled about as well and as swiftly as possible.
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josef nix
June 23rd, 2010
4:42 pm
heathen
“They don’t hate us for what we do, they hate us for who we are.”
I would tend to agree with this. This is what makes this such a difficult matter of winning the thoughts and minds…”they” being the terrorists couching their venom in religious garb…
mike
June 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm
Gee, you mean Jay has no comment on the fact that McChrystal did not think that Obama was prepared for or very engaged at their meetings?
Anyone think that Jay would be congratulating Bush for his “swift” response if such a thing happened during his administration? What a joke.
Southern Comfort
June 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
neo
Hitler was intent on building his Aryan “Super race”. What idiot would decide he can take on an entire continent or the world for that matter and be successful. Sheer numbers will overwhelm you.
Simply put, we killed more of them, and bombed their cities and industrial infrastructure into cinders.
Am I to believe that those actions were not planned or “structured” to do that? Did we just somehow manage to pull off those feats without the discipline of the military personnel who were trained to do just that?
As far as Vietnam, our military was pretty much fighting with one hand behind it’s back the whole time. You adapt the fight to the person you’re fighting, but you never move away from your strengths to do it. From what I’ve read, Vietnam was fought pretty much the same way we’re fighting now. Our military isn’t trained to fight PR battles. They are trained to neutralize an enemy that is trying to kill them. If a soldier takes off his uniform and put on civilian clothing, you can not tell him from civilians without his weapon. Who knows for sure if all the “civilians” who have been killed in Afghanistan are really civilians. I can somewhat understand kids, but these terrorist groups have been using women and children to carry out their deeds for a while.
Just me
June 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
There were two central players in this little drama…the so-called president and the general. We lost the truthful general and are still stuck with the lying president. We the people are once again the loser in this situation.
A CONSERVATIVE
June 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
LETs FACE IT…BOOKMAN…& all HIS MARXISTs buddies hate the military…they hate American military might…that incluses the entire White House……all of them hate the military
AmVet
June 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
“Conservatives care about results, leftists and media care about image.”
And IF ONLY you cons cared about *effective, successful* results instead of caring about justifying your horrible results, it might even make a bit of sense…
@@
June 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
Paul:
Wouldn’t that be rich? Republicans take Congress, and they’re the ones who follow the ‘change the way we do things in Washington” that Pres Obama called for? Not the Democrats who came in with him?
There’s hope, ’cause they’ve seen the enemy and it is THE PEOPLE!
A CONSERVATIVE
June 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
LETs FACE IT……WE ARE GOING THRU JIMMY CARTER, II..total incompetence…total incomnpetence..
Dusty
June 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
Whoopee….most surely…another book coming out. Doncha feel it? “McChrystal’s Clarity” or “Cracked by a Kook” or some other curious cutie. There will be interviews. Someone will catch the general in a “lie” they suggested. The interviewer will be incensed. The Inquirer will say the General cried and Obama lied. .. And more publicity!!!!!
Get ready, Bookman, This may be a golden oportunity for you. I can see it now. Bookman’s title “Bush Broke the Chrystal”. or “Did Palin see Afghanistan from Alaska” ..the true story!!. Paperback of course…
Call the publishing house NOW!!!
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
Just me
You are aware no comments regarding Pres Obama were attributed to General McChrystal? Lots of people would agree with his assessment of Holbrooke, though.
How, exactly, did Pres Obama lie during this episode?
Southern Comfort
June 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
Paul
That would definitey be rich… I won’t hold my breath for that though on the account that I need oxygen to live.
MAC
June 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
So POTUS hires the same guy he dressed down in a Senate hearing on the impact of the Iraq strategy aka the surge.
When are you BO sycophants going to admit that you elected a guy who is in way over his head and isn’t interested or capable of commanding the military?
mike
June 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
““Conservatives care about results, leftists and media care about image.”
And IF ONLY you cons cared about *effective, successful* results instead of caring about justifying your horrible results, it might even make a bit of sense…”
Please. You are booth equally absurd in your gross over-generalizations.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
Conservative 4:45
“BOOKMAN…& all HIS MARXISTs buddies hate the military…they hate American military might”
Jay’s a military brat. Dad was career military. You think Jay hates his father?
It’s waaaay past 5:00 somewhere -
MAC
June 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
Dusty, perhaps not a book but good chance McChrystal may be the next Fox military analyst.
Dusty
June 23rd, 2010
4:51 pm
AmVet,
If ONLY you would take your meds!!
larry
June 23rd, 2010
4:51 pm
I think this was a great choice considering that Petraeus has never been found passed out in the shower, drunk. Consdering he was labeled a troublemaker at West Point and helped cover up Pat Tillman’s death, i would have rejected him in the first place. But Obama took Gates’ reconmendation.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
4:52 pm
SoCom
Yeah, well, a guy can dream, can’t he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7rLxFz4lY
Jim
June 23rd, 2010
4:52 pm
Obama said he it was difficult to make this decision and said some nice things about McChrystal–all photo-op as usual. If we could only hear in private what Obama really said we would have to cover our ears. McChrystal is a very intelligent man and I have to wonder if he did this on purpose because the civil leadership vs. the military command was becoming insufferable and he needed to bring attention to the great divide between the military and Washington civil leaders over the military. McChrystal never did get all the support he should have had in order to fight the Afghan war. He should have covered his flank at all times–or perhaps didn’t on purpose. Anyhow, Petraeus is a great replacement.
Ninja
June 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm
They dislike us because of who we are. They hate us because of what we do. If we’d stop @#%$ing with them, we’d just be like their Canadians.
Southern Comfort
June 23rd, 2010
4:55 pm
That’s what dreams are for, Paul…
larry
June 23rd, 2010
4:55 pm
the last comment should have read, i would have rejected him (McChrystal) in the first place.
America
June 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm
The anointed one: “Now is the time for all of us to come together.”
America to POTUS: Yeah, like you and your lackeys have been engaged in that so far. We’ve got some news for you: we are coming together. You’ll get the full memo in November. You have our word on it. We saw Biden standing at the podium. Did he say, “This is f_ _ king huge?” Oh, BTW, we caught Rahm lying. His lips were moving. Fire him too.
Dusty
June 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm
Yes, MAC, and Obama will be teaching “How to Make Fudge In a Helmet” at the War College after the next election..
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
A CONSERVATIVE . if Jimmy Carter and Ethel Rosenberg had a b@stard love child, it would still be better than obama..
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
okay, it’s way past 5:00 everywhere….
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
What we need to win this war is a tax cut. About 750 billion from the DoD budget should do nicely for funding it.
electrician
June 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
good on the President for moving quickly to handle this situation.It does present a quandary for extremists on both sides.The rolling stone pointed out the fact that no domestic equivalent of the solidarity that the General had with his staff exists within our civilian leadership.A lot of things bear some close examination and coloring ones objectivity with how it will play out on election day is not the best way to proceed.
KAO
June 23rd, 2010
5:09 pm
President Obama followed proper protocol and allowed general McChrystal to resign. Nothing wimpy or wrong with that at all. As for if it was the right decision, anyone who has served knows the top brass are excruciatingly trained in proper decorum and public speaking and the press. He and his staff’s remarks were over the top. No sitting president would have allowed him or his staff to keep their jobs. The jury’s out as to how Patreus will do.
@@
June 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm
Wasn’t Holbrooke, Czar to Afghanistan? Does a Czar outrank a General?
When I read about the pestering e-mails sent by Holbrooke to McChrystal, I thought of General Honore and how he responded to the pestering journalists during Katrina.
Would Honore have done the same thing had he been in McChrystal’s place?
Holbrooke worried about his job security. McChrystal worried about defeating the enemy. McChrystal gets the boot, Holbrooke remains.
mike
June 23rd, 2010
5:14 pm
I don’t see anything to criticize in the way Obama handled McChrystal. The much more important issue is how he is handling the war, and folks like Jay don’t want to discuss that aspect of this story.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
I think the libs call him “betrayus”….and here’s more from the NObama folks…More than 1,200 prison inmates, including 241 serving life sentences, defrauded the government of $9.1 million in tax credits reserved for first-time homebuyers, according to a Treasury Department report released Wednesday.
OB is so ONE TERM, if he can last that long.
A CONSERVATIVE
June 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
JOURNALISM IS DEAD….DEAD….DEAD…
A CONSERVATIVE
June 23rd, 2010
5:21 pm
OBAMA-ATLANTA-URNAL is a Biiiiiiggg JOKE..
Art
June 23rd, 2010
5:22 pm
McChrystal was insubordinate and you can’t have insubordination at any level in the military; it simply undermines the whole organization. McChrystal had to know that. Me thinks his actions fall into two categories… 1. He got too big for his britches… even 4-star britches… gold nunchucks?… gimme a break… that’s like Patton’s pearl revolvers… nothing worse than a self-obsessed person in power and 2. He saw Obama for the inexperienced leader that he is. Today, the self-obsessed 4-star was relieved of duty but the inexperienced leader is still in the White House. Being President is a little tougher than being a community organizer or being able to make a good speech. Let’s hope PRESBO is a quick study or we’re in for more of the same.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 23rd, 2010
5:23 pm
He demoted Petraeus??????
What a backstabbing little hack, the media sets up Petraeus as presidential material and small puny political stooge obozo humiliates him.
This is the way you treat an American hero?
Ooops, my bad, this is the way the filthy dummycrats treat American heroes, I meant to say…
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
5:25 pm
Obama for six more years followed by Biden for eight years… that should provide me with plenty of cheap entertainment from the Republicans.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
5:27 pm
TaxPayer
Who you callin’ cheap?
DawgDad
June 23rd, 2010
5:27 pm
I saw it reported that McChrystal said he actually voted for Obama (was that in the RS article?). What irony; a General who’s an Obama supporter gets canned for his aides trashing Obama and gets replaced by General “Betray-us” (remember all that nonsense from the left?). Only in America.
I still stand by my conviction this was a setup. The Rolling Stone had how many quotes of McChrystal? Was that NONE?
AmVet
June 23rd, 2010
5:29 pm
Dusty, took them this morning. Coumadin and an 81mg aspirin. Thanks for your faux concern.
Too bad, there is no medicine for what ails you…
The con cut and runners are waving their white flags big time, now that their ultra successful Hero of the Texas ANG is out of the picture.
They should all be waterboarded…
DawgDad
June 23rd, 2010
5:30 pm
Art: Where’s the proof McChrystal was insubordinate? I haven’t seen any. There could well be sufficient justification here to can the man, but insubordination? I think not.
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
5:32 pm
The more Republicans whine, the better Obama must be doing.
Doggone/GA
June 23rd, 2010
5:32 pm
” Was that NONE?”
hate to tell you this, but McChrystal knew the situation FAR, FAR better than you do. He went to that meeting with a resignation in his pocket. The meeting only lasted 30 minutes. You don’t REALLY think that he only decided to resign in just that tiny window of time, do you?
@@
June 23rd, 2010
5:36 pm
Richard Holbrooke believed Saddam had WMDs and supported the Iraq War?
He was Vice-Chairman of Credit Suisse?
Senior advisor to Lehman Brothers? One of Countrywide’s “Friends of Angelo” (Mozillo)
Sat on the Board of Directors for AIG?
From government to banking to campaigning and back to government.
His kinda people run in small circles, don’t they?
neo-Carlinist
June 23rd, 2010
5:42 pm
Southern Comfort, last thoughts on military history.
Hitler wasn’t an idiot. I suppose he was a megalomaniac, if anything. I suspect, given his desire to rule the world, and knowing Germany did not have the industrial resources of the Allies, he knew he would have to attack Russia sooner rather than later. Also, I would argue it was the German obsession with “structure and discipline” which led so many “good soldiers” to “follow orders” even as in doing so, their homeland was destroyed. As far as American/Allied strategic bombing, I don’t know that it is evidence of “discipline” if one accepts it was the way we waged war against the Nazi’s in 1945, as opposed to war against the Taliban in 2010. RE: Vietnam, there was an old saying about killing civilains; “the dead ones aren’t civilians, they’re VC”. It should be noted that Hackworth found the concept of “body counts” to be at best pointless in determining success or failure on the battlefield, and at worst counter-productive (see: McChrystal’s counter-insurgency math). And I am not so sure that McChrystal’s “marriage” to the newly formulated COIN doctrine will prove prudent, but it did reveal his desire to think differently than the traditional Pentagon brass. And, larry, I only care if my soldiers are found “passed out drunk” in combat. And McChrystal corrected his error re: Tillman, when he learned it may have been fratricide. His intial reports were based on the reports of those in the field when Tillman was killed.
Alvin Greene for Senate in SC
June 23rd, 2010
5:42 pm
Swift? – Uh…. His mind was already made up and so was the General’s.
Both of them are rusty tools.
Honu
June 23rd, 2010
5:43 pm
Well, it’s finally here. The Apocalypse. Oil has ruined my beloved Gulf forever. An earthquake in Ottawa today. And Eliot Spitzer has been given his own show on CNN.
Dusty
June 23rd, 2010
5:46 pm
To tell the truth, I think Obama has very few reliable people that he can trust. He HAD to pick Petraeuis.
In fact that worries me. Besides the Middle East, next Obama will add such duties as Protecting America’s Borders for Petraeus. Petraeus will also be in charge of Homeland Security and might as well throw in the MMS and that lil’ health project. The only person left will be Michelle so she will be Sec. of Agriculture. Hillary will be sent to missions in Timbuktu and Biden will be in charge of Childrens Arts & Crafts.
See what I mean ? When you look at Obama’s buddies in Chicago and elsewhere, you really want more of them in Washington? What a scary thought!!
Del
June 23rd, 2010
5:46 pm
Jim@4:52pm.
An interesting thought. I’ve wondered myself how a career soldier particularly of his rank and accomplishment could toss away years of discipline and military bearing for an interview in Rolling Stone. Maybe he did do it with a purpose. Maybe there will be a lot more to this story ahead.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
5:47 pm
Serious question: does this put to rest the idea the Afghan mission is a NATO-led and run mission, not a US-run mission?
General McChrystal was relieved of command as commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. This is a UN-sanctioned mission by NATO. So, how does the President relieve McChrystal of a posting run by NATO?
Wanna headache? Here’s the most understandable article I found:
http://afpakwar.com/blog/archives/5779
‘course, he was commander of US troops, so relieving him effectively removes him from commanding ISAF.
Hmmmm…. I wonder if he consulted with our allies before doing this and didn’t act like a lone cowboy?
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
5:47 pm
MoveOn.org published this ad. Leftist crickets are chirping……………
http://lh4.ggpht.com/ivan1087/RuXapZ21gnI/AAAAAAAAAgI/baPlvVvWkqw/General+Betray+Us.jpg
electrician
June 23rd, 2010
5:50 pm
AmVet@5;29..been on that stuff for a while myself,ever since getting a glimpse of the other side courtesy of a bilateral pulmonary embolism.Takes a tough guy to eat rat poison.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
5:53 pm
Moveon.org is such a funny website. You can’t even access links without registering.
Talk about PARANOIA !
What a bunch of cowards and wussies. LMAO
And they have a whole 90,777 likes on facebook….. ohhhhhh. Al Gore must have liked himself about 50,000 times.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
5:54 pm
Typo – What I should have said was, “You can’t even access links to it without registering.”
md
June 23rd, 2010
5:56 pm
“Maybe he did do it with a purpose. Maybe there will be a lot more to this story ahead.”
Look for the new book coming soon, pays way better than any pension – ask Palin.
Reality
June 23rd, 2010
5:56 pm
Anyone notice how thin skinned Obama is? This wimp can’t handle any criticism. He needs to toughen up a bit.
md
June 23rd, 2010
5:58 pm
“Serious question: does this put to rest the idea the Afghan mission is a NATO-led and run mission, not a US-run mission?”
“Serious?” There is nothing “serious” about NATO – been dead for years and Afghanistan only confirmed it.
AmVet
June 23rd, 2010
6:01 pm
electrician, LOL! Good old warfarin.
Yep I learned everything about DVT and PE I never wanted to know. Had “massive” ones (four) in my lungs and one of the clots went through a hole in my heart and ended up in the main *artery* of my right arm.
Came within any eyelash of ending the oxygen habit. The doctors called me a miracle case.
Just lucky and tough as nails. And trust me my friend, every time I drive up or down Clairmont Road, I salute those guys and gals a the VA MC…
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
6:04 pm
Obama thinks he prevented a coup today.
Our POTUS is an incompetent boob.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 23rd, 2010
6:04 pm
Art..
Patton did NOT have pearl handled revolvers, and he was the best we had.
“Patton took violent offense at any reference to his pistols being pearl handled. He said, “Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol.” In no uncertain terms he would have the offender know that his revolver was indeed “IVORY-GOD-F’NG D’MN-HANDLED” and with that he would turn on his heel and leave.”
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 23rd, 2010
6:07 pm
More Proof Patton kicked Azz..(and Obama IS an Azz)
Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.” –General George S. Patton, Jr.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:08 pm
AmVet
“Just lucky and tough as nails”
And cantankerous. Don’t forget cantankerous.
Grouch comes to mind.
As does curmudgeon.
I think, possibly, kvetcher…
Irascible might fit.
Then again, there’s always Teddy Bear….
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
6:08 pm
If we need wars, then we need a draft. Bring back the draft or end the wars. Everyone between the ages of 18 and 55 would be required to serve one year initially, starting with the 55 year-olds, and re-cycle as many times as needed. And if we must have a war, then we should have a war tax to pay for it. The tax would be highly progressive, with oil companies being charged a flat 65 percent, billionaires 60 percent, millionaires 50 percent and folks making less than 250,000 would pay a tithe.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
6:10 pm
Today Ken Salazar testified to Congress it could be two to three months before the spill is sealed.
That would make the duration between 120-150 days at an unknown number of millions of gallons per day.
Anybody care to attempt the math?
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:10 pm
SPQR
Manly men wear ivory.
Got it.
Then again, as I’m fond of pointing out, our military guys love wearing patent leather shoes and puffy-legged trousers tucked into their knee-high booties…..
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:11 pm
TaxPayer
“Everyone between the ages of 18 and 55 would be required to serve”
You wouldn’t, by any chance, be 56, would you?
Dave R.
June 23rd, 2010
6:12 pm
Paul, re:AmVet: definitely curmudgeon.
The champ of curmudgeon.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
June 23rd, 2010
6:14 pm
I love old Ivory, it meant someone went out and shot a charging bull elephant.. but today everythings synthetic ivory, and thats just gay.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 23rd, 2010
6:15 pm
TaxPayer is absolutely wrong.
Eliminate The War Powers Act.
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.
The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
TaxPayer — Either Declare War with an official proclamation from Congress or no troops anywhere to fight.
josef nix
June 23rd, 2010
6:15 pm
AmVet, electrician
Count me in the lot…that warfarin is some nasty stuff…my cardiologist, a great fellow who shares my warped and twisted sense of humor, was insisting that I take part in a study they were doing on attitude and recovery…I told him I didn’t mind and would be happy to participate, but why was he being so insistent. “Because,” he said, “you’re supposed to be dead and we want to know why you’re not!” That was five years ago and, to tell you the truth, I’ve never felt better in my life…can do just about anything I ever did, eat pretty much what I want to, can still hike a 30miler and wrestle 20 snot noses all day long…the miracles of modern medicine….!
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
6:15 pm
You wouldn’t, by any chance, be 56, would you?
Well, I sure ain’t within the stated age limits. That just wouldn’t be right given that it’s my fantasy.
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
6:18 pm
Well of course you should have a declaration of war. That just goes without saying. It’s just a natural part of fighting a war.
itpdude
June 23rd, 2010
6:19 pm
President Obama finally did something decisive. Obama has over-reached and under-reached on so many issues, he really fit the Hillary profile of not being ready for that early morning red-phone call.
However, this is all ashes in the mouth because Afghanistan is lost. We did not hit the iron when it was hot, and that is on W. That we continue with this quagmire is on Obama.
DawgDad
June 23rd, 2010
6:20 pm
Let’s not forget Saddam was paying terrorists to destabilize the Middle East ($25K to blow up Jews), among the many other issues with his regime. Bush and his advisers came to realize Afghanistan could never be more than a containment operation after the Taliban were deposed, and Iraq could be (and has been, to a great extent) transformed as a nation and returned to the people. Obama knows this, too, but he’s trapped in the “good war”. He’s set up the expectation he can prevail in Afghanistan, when in reality “winning” will be far more costly than preserving the status-quo; i.e., cleaning up insurgent messes as they occur and keeping the Taliban at bay. Winning in Afghanistan is losing for America; what are we going to do with a basket case of a country ruled by war lords with uncontrollable borders and a thriving hard drug trade? Post “Welcome to Arizona” signs?
Obama has not communicated a clear end-game vision for Afghanistan. He can’t, without lying or slitting his own throat politically. Between now and November the American voters are going to be watching and listening very closely.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:22 pm
TaxPayer 6:15
Well, since you put it that way, no… it really wouldn’t….
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
6:22 pm
By the way, what was the definition for “winning” in Iraq? Afghanistan?
AmVet
June 23rd, 2010
6:24 pm
Paul, guilty as charged.
But what the hell, I love my life. More now, than ever…
“Because,” he said, “you’re supposed to be dead and we want to know why you’re not!”
josef, who cares? I’m glad you’re here pal.
I completely attribute my implausible survival to the fact that I was in the best shape of my life when I was afflicted at 50. (I was training to compete in the Georgia Senior Olympics, and could best the vast percentage of guys half my age at any fitness competition.)
@@
June 23rd, 2010
6:26 pm
Oddly enough, MoveOn.org still had this Sept. 2007 ad (General BetrayUs) up as of June 18, according to their Google cache. But if you go to http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html now, it’s gone. They kept it there for almost 3 years before taking it down all of a sudden.
Wonder why?
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/23/mcchrystal-out-petraeus-in-moveon-org-scrambling/#ixzz0rjHaD1KR
http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/23/mcchrystal-out-petraeus-in-moveon-org-scrambling/
Because now that Obama’s calling the shots, Petraeus is a good idea?
Disgusted
June 23rd, 2010
6:29 pm
Whether you love Obama or detest him, today’s action was a brilliant political move. With everybody set to blast him, he annoints Petraeus as the new Afghanistan commander. Not even the most ardent right-wing fanatic can find fault with Petraeus, and nobody can defend the actions of McChrystal. Many in Congress are left speechless. Nobody could have anticipated Obama’s appointing McChrystal’s superior as his replacement. This thing was as slick as greased owl s—. Whoever came up with and sold the idea needs to get a big pay increase.
@@
June 23rd, 2010
6:29 pm
Oddly enough, MoveOn.org still had this Sept. 2007 ad (General BetrayUs) up as of June 18, according to their Google cache. But if you go to http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html now, it’s gone. They kept it there for almost 3 years before taking it down all of a sudden.
Wonder why?
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/23/mcchrystal-out-petraeus-in-moveon-org-scrambling/#ixzz0rjHaD1KR
Because now that Obama’s calling the shots, Petraeus is a good idea?
RW-(the original)
June 23rd, 2010
6:30 pm
I realize it’s only Wednesday, but you guys are begging for this.
Saul Good
June 23rd, 2010
6:30 pm
Abrazos Said: “As for the Tea Party candidates…how long do you think they’ll stay “pure” when they are in perpetual campaign fundraising mode, begging for cash and taking it wherever they can?”
Just ask Rand Paul… he’s already broken his promise and had a fund raiser with those whom he previously stated that he would not (you know…due to his “principles” that go against big government).
Rand Paul seeks donations from bailout supporters after rejecting them in primary
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100622/NEWS0106/6220347/Rand+Paul+seeks+donations+from+bailout+supporters+after+rejecting+them+in+primary
The rest of the tea and brunch crowd will do the same. Funny… it seems to me that doing a search on “Unfair and Biased Propaganda News” just now…they didn’t report anything about this.
John Galt Jr.
June 23rd, 2010
6:30 pm
OK losers. Follow your lemming off the cliff. I have a nephew wounded Marine. At Bethesda Obama has visited the first floor once. Bush visited almost every time he was in town, including the upper floors, and actually cared. This is from soldiers that were there. Obama is not well liked by the command in Afghanistan or the soldiers in the field. Period. And it welled all the way up into Rolling Stone mag. If the same story had occurred during Bush term you losers would have crucified Bush. Spin it how you like.
Next subject: Google it or look it up, then keep your head in the sand.
Egyptian Foreign Minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim in confidence, would “deal” with Israel
Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrug is working on this story as we speak (check her site for updates).
“”The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim.”
That was the claim of Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit, as reported in the May 2010 issue of Israel Today. According to journalist Avi Lipkin, Gheit appeared on Nile TV’s “Round Table Show” in January, on which he said that “he had had a one-on-one meeting with Obama who swore to him that he was a Moslem, the son of a Moslem father and step-son of Moslem step-father, that his half-brothers in Kenya were Moslems, and that he was loyal to the Moslem agenda.”
Obama allegedly said this in the context of reassuring Gheit that he would soon deal with Israel:
He asked that the Moslem world show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic American problems (Healthcare) [sic], that he would show the Moslem world what he would do with Israel.”
Read the full original piece by Geller in The American Thinker and check her site for updates. Let me revise this suggest, Get over to the American Thinker and take a look at the full list of things Obama has done regarding the Muslim world (there are links all to reliable sources) much of which I did not know about –so not covered by the media you know. Holy cow.
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June 23rd, 2010
6:31 pm
Sorry! First post got thrown into moderation. I see it’s been released.
Do Over…bad.
josef nix
June 23rd, 2010
6:32 pm
AmVet
Glad to be here and glad to spend some time with you. That experience does tend to give you a certain right to be irascible, though, don’t it? To what is my implausible survival attributed? Well, according to Unmentionable, “spite, pure spite!”
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:32 pm
TaxPayer 6:23
“By the way, what was the definition for “winning” in… Afghanistan?”
Given that just today Pres Obama said “Second, I have a responsibility to do what is — whatever is necessary to succeed in Afghanistan, and in our broader effort to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda.”
you may want to ask the Left on this blog. Oh, and could you also ask them how we defeat al Qaeda, seeing’s how many of them wrote eloquently about how it’s impossible to defeat an ideology. When Bush was president, anyhow -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/obamas-general-mcchrystal_n_622964.html
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:35 pm
AmVet
The fact you were in that shape at 50 tells me you didn’t get there overnight? Reinforces the idea that achieving a certain level of fitness, and then unfortunately hitting a slump that may last a while, has enduring benefits?
At least I hope it does…
joan
June 23rd, 2010
6:38 pm
Abrazos, I don’t have contempt for our military. I would like to see those kids pulled out of that hell hole and their lives saved. In case you haven’t noticed, I do have the utmost and sincere contempt for the slimy politician in the oval office and look forward to the day when I never hear or see him again.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 23rd, 2010
6:38 pm
Well, dang it, I been just about stripped buck-nekkid and tied to a tree. I was all set to blast Obama and now he’s went and put in somebody I like even better than McChrystal. Looks like the best us Conservatives can do is come up with some of the weak political pablum Sister Dusty puts out. I seen on Fox News some of our favorite Republican senators coming out with stuff like McChrystal had to go and Petraeus is a good choice. Looks like they’re tied buck-nekkid to the tree too. It ain’t fair. I tell you, you can’t trust these Chicago politicans. But we’ll get him next time.
Have a good night everybody.
Doggone/GA
June 23rd, 2010
6:39 pm
“you may want to ask the Left on this blog”
I won’t speak for anyone on “the Left” but myself…but *I* have had a definition of victory from day 1: get OBL and get out
TaxPayer
June 23rd, 2010
6:40 pm
“Winning” actually has different meaning depending on one’s perspective. For me, winning is not ever needing to fight a war to begin with. Then, we could all get a tax cut since we would no longer need to spend a trillion dollars a year on the DoD. Now that’s a win-win… win, win, win, win.
josef nix
June 23rd, 2010
6:42 pm
John Galt:
And Ray Mabus is the third Anti-Christ…Nostradamus said so, so there…
Century 2 Quatrain 62:
Mabus puis tost alors mourra, viendra,
De gens & bestes vne horrible defaite:
Puis tout  coup la vengeance on verra,
Cent, main, soif, faim, quand courra la comete.
Saul Good
June 23rd, 2010
6:42 pm
No matter WHO is in charge over in Afghanistan…this is a war we’ve been losing since day 1. It’s a war we will continue to lose if all we do is fight with bullets, bombs, and money (you know…pay offs to war lords). AS I’ve said before… hitting someone upside their head with a rock, or killing one of their loved ones/friends/neighbors/etc. is NOT going to turn their views and opinions towards us favorably. One will never win the “War on Terrorism” by using conventional weapons and modern war practices. They’ll never be the “society” that WE want them to be. This war there….is nothing but a complete waste of money and lives. It has been that from the start. If we sent in 2,000,000 troops and were there for 20 more years it would not matter…the second we pulled out it would go back to being just what it was before we ever invaded. All we’re doing there is creating more terrorists. There will be many little kids who will grow up to seek revenge for their own father’s death. Anyone that believes that we CAN win a war in Afghanistan knows little about the country…the many different regions and tribes…and about just WHAT and WHO we are fighting. We’re NOT fighting Afghanistan and a nation…we’re fighting religious and political beliefs. Same thing that goes on in our own nation… luckily we don’t use our military to fight that war (though I believe some wish we would).
Petraeus will not be able to win this war. He might kill more humans… but that’s not winning when all we do is create MORE terrorists.
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June 23rd, 2010
6:42 pm
AmVet has a faulty ticker??? Better take it easy when taking “a number” at Wings & Things.
Paul
June 23rd, 2010
6:43 pm
Saul Good
So…. ya’ got any suggestions?
md
June 23rd, 2010
6:45 pm
“For me, winning is not ever needing to fight a war to begin with.”
Has there ever been a period where man has not been fighting with man?
I’m guessing there will always be folks out there that want to fight whether we want to or not.
Jackie
June 23rd, 2010
6:46 pm
Gen. McKrystal was lucky in that the Pentagon and his civilian bosses did not bring charges of insubordination against him. This could have led directly to court-martial.
News reports indicates the Afghan economy is worth roughly $14 Billion annually and we spend approximately $100 Billion annually to defend what and whom?
Time to take our troops out of the country as the Taliban has been dispersed to Pakistan.
Mick
June 23rd, 2010
6:46 pm
John Galt Jr.
Hey john – if you believe all that, c’mon down to miami, I’ve got some prime real estate in the everglades that I’d like to sell you. Hurry up now, the acreage is going fast cause there’s one born every minute…
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June 23rd, 2010
6:48 pm
Throwing caution to the wind..
Make it pulling that number at Wings & Things.
Schnirt
A CONSERVATIVE
June 23rd, 2010
6:51 pm
Mr.Karl Marx…you liberals are getting your AS@ kicked reak good..JAY Marx….getting it kicked real good.