McChrystal case forces us to confront the real question

Should he stay or should he go?

The sense in Washington seems to be unanimous that Gen. Stanley McChrystal has done enough damage to civilian-military relations and to U.S. efforts in Afghanistan to justify removal from his post. But the real questions go deeper:

Do his remarks REQUIRE his removal? What would do more damage to our national interests: bringing in new leadership at this pivotal moment in Afghanistan to carry out a strategy that McChrystal himself designed, or leaving the general in place, despite the harm he has done?

But even that isn’t the important question. The real question is: Do WE stay or do we go?

In comments yesterday, I noted that McChrystal’s staff in the Rolling Stone piece had floated the option of requesting even more U.S. troops next summer, the point when current strategy says we will start reducing our footprint in Afghanistan. So I posed a question in comments: Who believes such a step would be appropriate?

Not a single person, right or left, wrote in favor of such an approach. Not one.

What we’re seeing, then, is a breach not just between the Obama administration and parts of the U.S. military, but between the American people and its military. It is not by any means a breach of affection or respect, but instead of perspective.

The military comprises people who by instinct and training are fighters who hate to lose. They never want to be pulled from the fight having failed to achieve their objective. If one approach isn’t working, they are always willing to hold out hope that if we give it a shot, some other approach might. That’s how they ought to be; that’s how we need them to be. Those are the kind of people you want defending your country.

But that’s also why the ultimate decision cannot be theirs, but ours. I fear that we have reached the point when our respect for and in some cases deference to military leadership is causing us to betray them. We are letting them continue to fight and die for us solely because we lack the heart to tell them to stop.

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joe matarotz

June 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

Obama reelection theme: Afghanistan – hte new Viet Nam.

Kamchak

June 23rd, 2010
8:18 am

GO!

The only way to “win” in Afghanistan is to obliterate every living creature.

SOUTHERN ATL

June 23rd, 2010
8:25 am

It’s time to pull out…too many lives lost….no measurable gains…

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2010
8:28 am

Mark this war down as an epic FAIL. The US chose to prop up a corrupt, weak regime that lacked the popular support necessary for success. The only thing standing between Karzai and a rope is the US military. Most of the time he won’t even leave his compound. Now he’s sending out feelers to the Taliban as a means of saving himself. Of course he wants McChrystal to stay—anything to save his worthless hide. If Afghanistan does not want to save itself from the Taliban, there’s no reason for US troops to fight and die over there. It’s time to appoint a general who will effect a withdrawal strategy. Sorry, but this one has Vietnam written all over it.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

Disgusted … “The US chose to prop up a corrupt, weak regime that lacked the popular support necessary for success AGAIN”

there. found yer thingamabob …

NowReally

June 23rd, 2010
8:31 am

He should be fired today, but it should have happened days ago. We need to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, because it was never a war to be won. If you need an exact date, I would say Dec. 31, 2010 and not a day later. Say to the Iraqis and Afghans….. you are own you on.

Call it like it is.

June 23rd, 2010
8:32 am

It is dumb and its silly, get these guys out now. It can’t be won, jusk ask Russia. They brought in a lot more fire power then we did and got nothing out of it. All that hell hole is, is a proving ground for new weapons to see if they work or not. The Generals have had it and they are starting to speak out. How hard it must be for them to take orders from civilians that no “nothing” about how to win a war.

Obama is in a no win here. If he cans the General, it will come back to bite him in the butt, if he does nothing he will look weak.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
8:34 am

The real question is how could we have elected such a chowderhead for President in 2008, when we had to endure the last one for 8 years.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

Go.

Now to read the rest of the column.

Peadawg

June 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

“if he does nothing he will look weak.”

if he does nothing he will look weaker than he already looks. Fixed your typo.

Lord Help Us

June 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

DR, because the other choice was a chowderhead AND a quitter…

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
8:37 am

USinUK,
I already ordered these pasley gold scarves that have blonde bangs sticking out of them, some large hoop earings, and will tell her that if anyone asks she’s a gypsy queen and then shake her tambourine at them. :D
——————

Paul, thanks.

Sighko Sis

June 23rd, 2010
8:37 am

The fact that Karzai supports McChrystal should be enough to tell you that he should go. This is an opportunity for President Obama to stop the terrible policy in Afghanistan, which is McChrystal’s idea in the first place.

larry

June 23rd, 2010
8:38 am

This is where the eight years of indecision, inattention and poor funding has gotten us. In a country that the Tailban, who gave OSL cover to carry out bombings and 9/11, is going to probably govern again. I would get rid of McChrystal and try a new strategy. Karzi had no business being selected president in the first place.

Lord Help Us

June 23rd, 2010
8:39 am

Actually the other choice was a BIGGER chowderhead AND a quitter…fmot

Paul

June 23rd, 2010
8:40 am

Good analysis and commentary, Jay.

I think a major error occurred in our design of the type of central authority we imposed, then seeing Karzai as essential. Sure, he won the election (as did Hamas in Gaza), but did we look out enough for our interests afterwards? And our attitude toward all Taliban – heck, after WWII we utilized former Nazis in the rebuilding of Germany.

“More forces” is but one element. If other elements don’t change, ‘more forces’ won’t cause those elements to change, either.

Now the next question: if we go, what then? Do Taliban gain power? Do Taliban grant AQ a safe haven, or do they learn from the past and treat them as a pariah? Does the Karzai government morph into a classic dictatorship and reach accommodation with Taliban outside the urban centers?

I thought our purpose there was to keep AQ from having a safe haven. Not necessarily to create a gov’t in our image. Just one we can work with to protect our national security interests.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:41 am

Dave R – 8:34 – 2 words:

McCain.

Palin.

Lord Help Us

June 23rd, 2010
8:42 am

Heck, since our ‘ally’ over the border in Pakistan has nukes AND is providing Al Qaeda with safe haven, I think I prefer them over in Afghanistan…

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:43 am

Normal – 8:37 – CLASSIC!! love it!!

Bosch – 8:30 – glad all is well with you

Outhouse GoKart

June 23rd, 2010
8:46 am

Since Obama is such a foolish, lackluster leader the question is should McKrystal turn in his resignation and tell Obi to KMA or Go to hell?

That is the question to be debated.

TaxPayer

June 23rd, 2010
8:46 am

Our soldiers just need something else to fight, something worthy of their efforts. If we must have a trillion dollar annual DoD budget and million-dollar military men and 3/4 million-dollar military women, then put them to work defending our beaches from the invasion of the tar ball and defending our air from the attack of the carbon dioxide and defending our intellect from the Republican (think Dave R) trickle-down. Do not misunderestimate me when I say that the damage that Bush has done to the English language alone will take generations to repair.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

I was gonna tell Normal to tie die her some funky head scarves. It’s too hot for wigs! But a hot pink one would be cool.

USinUK,

Apparently I win the prize for World’s Weirdest Shaped Colon. My doctor is gonna make a certificate to frame. :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for the topic, I have nothing to add to what Jay wrote except that if McChrystal has actually done his job, I feel, and no, I’m no military expert, that a transition of authority shouldn’t be a big deal — he’s one man in a chain and his plans can be carried out all the same. But his plan is the question, and I think this event will make those above realize, if they haven’t already that this mission is all in vain.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

USinUK, given the performance (or lack thereof in some cases) of Hope & Change, I’d take McCain and Palin any day over this debacle of a Presidency.

Curious Observer

June 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

Normal:

Those techs wouldn’t give your sister a hint of what the scan said if they found 10 lbs. of pure gold in her stomach. Their jobs are at stake, and they don’t want to run afoul of either their boss or the pathologist who analyzes the scan. In fact, they can lose their certification if they’re found to have violated protocol by revealing anything to your sister.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

Dave R – :lol: that’s like saying “given the heat of this frying pan, I think I prefer the brightness of the fire” …

TaxPayer

June 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

I’d take McCain and Palin any day over this debacle of a Presidency.

“But I’m not a Republican — never have been and never will be.”

Riiiiiight.

Southern Comfort

June 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

I thought our purpose there was to keep AQ from having a safe haven. Not necessarily to create a gov’t in our image. Just one we can work with to protect our national security interests.

That’s why I advocate blowing the traning camps and terrorists to wherever they think their virgins are, and then get the hell from over there. Let Pakistan and Karzi sort thru the rubble to see if anything of value is left. When AQ hit us in 2001, we should have hit them with every Tomahawk and JDAM we had in stock. If civilians chose to hide among them, they should have suffered for their decision as well. It would have taken a month or two at most, depending on available intel. It shouldn’t have taken 8 years.

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
8:52 am

I’m not sure I’d want McKrystal to lead a parade, never mind my young in a war. He showed incredibly bad judgement drinking in front of, and talking to a reporter. That is beyond stupid. If President Obama doesn’t demand his court martial, then he loses all credibility to the ground grunts. Just like LBJ did in ‘Nam. The troops will stop beinging an army and will become a rabble.

This is what comes of one stinking paragraph about ten years of war in ‘Nam in middle school social science books. No lesson can be learned if there is no information to learn from and then you are doomed to repeat the whole mess.

Bring our troops home now.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
8:52 am

Dave R.,

I think if McCain had won, we’d now be bombing Pakistan and Iran, which to me, is just escalating the insane. But what do I know….I have the World’s weirdest shaped colon.

larry

June 23rd, 2010
8:53 am

McCain and Palin would have been more Shock & Awe, which we are still reeling from.

I am still trying to think what we got for 5.6 trillion dollars that was spent over eight years.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
8:53 am

Let’s put it this way, USinUK, we couldn’t be any worse off than we are today with a monkey at the helm – wait, we already . . . (no, I won’t go there).

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:53 am

Bosch – 8:49 … mmmmm … colonoscopies … and all that lovely stuff you have to drink the night before – boy, howdy, now that’s what I call a party! (the mister has issues, as well, so I’m all-too-familiar with the process)

but right after, you’re so clean you whistle when you walk down the street!!

Southern Comfort

June 23rd, 2010
8:53 am

Go DAWGS!!!!

June 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

chowderhead

thanks for your anachronistic comment, moe.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

Dave – yeah – yeah, we could – as the previous 8 years taught us.

Curious Observer

June 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

Do not misunderestimate me when I say that the damage that Bush has done to the English language alone will take generations to repair.

And that’s just one of the reasons I retired from teaching college English. That, and I got tired of practicing my love on all those innocent freshmen.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

“If civilians chose to hide among them, they should have suffered for their decision as well.”

:shock:

Dang, remind me never to piss off SoCo. :-)

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

but between the American people and its military.

So once again, Obama dodges Jay’s bullet. What a surprise.

Here’s a clue. The military does what it is told. And it is told what to do by the community organizer.

Not the choice of most people who aren’t completely indoctrinated, but it happened and the alternatives are Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, so we’re stuck with him for another 2 1/2 years.

Rightwing Troll

June 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

“The real question is how could we have elected such a chowderhead for President in 2008, when we had to endure the last one for 8 years.”

because the only other real option for reasonable people was two other chowderheads cut from the same cloth.

Some of us didn’t vote for ideology, some of us tried for “change”, but got more of the same… There was no prospect for change in the other ticket at all.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

Bosch, I disagree. I think you find that people who have actually served in combat are more hesitant to use force than those who did not, because they know the risks involved first-hand.

@@

June 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

I’ll always wonder if things would’a been different had Dr. Abdullah won in Afghanistan. With all the snipers we’ve got over there, you would think a bullet could find its way to Karzai.

foxy Lady is #1

June 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

Let’s get our people, guns, the smack and the lithium and go home.

They can SUCK IT!!!

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

USinUK,

Yeap! And tell the Mr. if he has to do it again, white wine, gin and voda are clear liquids – he can drink up the day/night before!!!

Southern Comfort

June 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

Bosch

Not that I advocate killing innocent civilians, but our target was and still should be AQ and AQ only. Had we blown them into a million fragments in October 2001, we would have shown them and the rest of the world the reprecussions of attacking innocent civilians here on our soil. We bungled our response badly, and I think it has only emboldened AQ as a result.

We needed a Gen. William T. Sherman with full command over limitless Tomahawks and a squadron or two of B-52’s to handle the AQ problem then. It wouldn’t be much of a problem now.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

USinUk, I think that whoever invented the stuff you have to drink prior to a colonoscopy studied at the Joseph Mengele School of Medicine. :D

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

good gawd.

I actually agree with something @@ said.

I’m glad I was sitting down.

larry

June 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

Time to pay for the clean up. I mean Shock & Awe’s clean up . im out. Everyone have a great day.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

Dave R.@ 8:56, but most real military men wouldn’t joke about bombing Iran, and say that as an option — which, I believe, McCain did — but what do I know, I have a weird colon. :-)

BADA BING

June 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

Do you know why the Afghans can’t teach Sex Education and Student Driving Lessons at the same time?………It’s too hard on the camels.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
9:01 am

Dave – 8:59 – gah. forget waterboarding – THAT is cruel and unusual!

Bosch – 8:58 – yeah – that would definitely help you pass the time sitting on the pot!

NRB2

June 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

We should obviously stay in Afghanistan, afterall, war is okay since it’s a Dem in office.

Once Obama won, all the libs tore off their “end war now” and “no blood for oil” stickers from the backs of their SUVs.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

And Troll, one of these days you libs will realize that neither “Hope” nor “Change” is considered a plan.

McCain and Palin are the definition of the “lesser of two evils”.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

OH!! and … speaking of passing the time …

since we were talking about Casino and other mob movies a couple of weeks ago, I thought you guys might like this:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37737859

(I got 7 out of 11)

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

SoCo,

I was just messin’ with you. People with weird colons are prone to do that. I agree with you actually. I’ve always found it weird the folks that say, “better to fight them over there, then over here” cause I think if we did fight them over here, it’d be over real quick — we’re all armed and have fallout shelters.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

Bosch @ 8:58. :) Why didn’t I think of that!

Jay

June 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

McCain and Palin are the definition of the “evils of two lessers”.

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:04 am

Rightwing Troll

**There was no prospect for change in the other ticket at all.**

No, not much of a chance for change, but a real chance of having an administration with basic leadership and problem solving skills. Everything this administration has done has been political damage control with almost no ability to solve the actual problem at hand. His advisors have been mostly Hollywood celebrities. He called james Cameron to solve the gulf disaster, while the world’s leading experts were turned away.

You have people like Rohm Emanuel calling the shots during a national emergency. And God knows what Obama is actually doing. We got a real change. The White House, like it or not, had problem solvers. It had experienced people who could get things done. Now we have nothing but political hacks that have never actually led anything in their lives.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Well, I’m sorry to hear this Gen. McChrystal is liable to get the ax today. The more I read about him the better I liked him. There’s something downright redneckish about drinking a whole case of beer and then passing out buck-nekkid in the shower. And you got to like a guy that flips off a full colonel and makes fun of the VP.

I reckon after today we’ll be back to these pinhead type generals that do everything by the book and walk around like they got a broomstick stuck up their rear end. Anyhow, it was fun while it lasted.

Have a good day everybody.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
9:06 am

“a real chance of having an administration with basic leadership and problem solving skills”

good gawd – McCain knows NOTHING about economics – he even admitted it. what kind of “leadership” could we expect from that?

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:07 am

Jay

An experienced Senator who was known to cross the aisle to get things done and the Governor of our largest state. As opposed to a Community organizer that exposed his own children to the rantings of a racist madman for most of their lives and “Don’t mind that buffoon, it’s only our Vice president, Joe Biden.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

Actually, Jay, we’ll never know if they were or not.

And speaking of lessers, :) I’m still waiting to hear your definition of “overreaching” regarding issuing a drilling moratorium on the basis of false conclusions knowingly included in a report to justify said moratorium. If that ain’t overreaching, I don’t know what is . . .

NRB2

June 23rd, 2010
9:10 am

good gawd – McCain knows NOTHING about economics – he even admitted it.
=====================================

Still more than Oblamer and the rest of the child molestors in his administration know.

But then, neither do voters, who still think tripe like “the president creates jobs” and “high taxes are good for the economy” ring true.

Of course, Obama may very well know that his economic policies are a joke…and he’s just doing it to help destroy America….so that all thats left is hordes of parasites and lowlifes all bowing at his feet.

I’m sure that AIDs spreader Barney Frank and the rest of the filthy criminal degenerates that he surrounds himself with are all on board with the plan.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
9:11 am

Jay touches on the issue of political obsequiousness to the military and has a rather eloquent closing graf.

but we really, really have to face the obsequiousness issue head-on at some point, lest we bankrupt and destroy our Republic for lack of courage to do so.

Just sayin’.

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:11 am

USinUK

So how’s it working out with a guy that knows about what? Marxism? Political maneuvering? Obama is an imbecile. He went to James Cameron to solve the Gulf Oil Leak and turned away the world’s greatest authorities and their state of the art equipment. He’s like a child.

Forrest Forrest Gump

June 23rd, 2010
9:11 am

Mama says when it comes to President Obama “stupid is as stupid does”.

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
9:11 am

“Governor of our largest state”

ohfercryingoutloud – it has the population 1/3 less than RHODE ISLAND

you boys and your issues with SIZE …

Scooter

June 23rd, 2010
9:12 am

Normal

June 23rd, 2010
8:52 am

I agree with you Normal. In your opinion,what in the world would have made the General do such a thing? :???:

DEEP THROAT

June 23rd, 2010
9:12 am

All hail Oblunder…. All hail Oblunder

If your boss was a arrogant promise everything,do nothing,blame the other guy that affected the way you were able to do your job, would you stand quiet ? I think not.

David B.

June 23rd, 2010
9:12 am

The courageous and right thing to do is end the front in Afghanistan. We’ve already compromised our winning the hearts and minds of the people by letting Hamid Karzai steal the election, whether or not he would have won. While foreign interests intervene, the Afghan government will always be on the sidelines and not forced to make their own decisions for their own national interests.

Do we still plan on continuing the Central Asia Oil Pipeline there? Do we plan to “help” the Afghans mine their mineral deposits? Or are we fighting an enemy that is now largely based in Pakistan on the wrong playing field?

But the best reason to leave is one of the General’s own remarks, because it is the simple truth: “for every innocent person you kill, you create 10 new enemies”

USinUK

June 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

NIF – “So how’s it working out with a guy that knows about what”

well, we’re currently in our 3rd quarter of growth, we’ve had positive jobs growth the last 5 months, manufacturing is hiring … I’d say we’re doing a helluva lot better than we would with Angry Old Guy and Caribou Barbie

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

I’d take McCain and Palin any day

…and Dave’s rooting for Republicans to re-take the House as well, but he’s NOT a Republican.

Paul

June 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

USinUK

I believe McCain’s words were along the lines that he was aware there was more to know. Not that he did not know anything.

I think that’s a healthy admission most people could make on a variety of topics. Trouble is, in politics it gets you all sorts of grief.

NowReally

June 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

If McCain and Palin had won the office of President and VP, we would be in more trouble than we were when Bush left office. McCain is like the Tin Man and Palin is the Scarecrow.

TaxPayer

June 23rd, 2010
9:14 am

McCain would have turned over all those hard economics matters to his economics mentor, Phil Gramm.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
9:14 am

“child molestors”

Nice. Why didn’t I scroll?

NRB2

June 23rd, 2010
9:14 am

speaking of Oblunder and his awesome job with the oil disaster:

http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html

NEW ORLEANS — The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.

The berms are meant to protect the Louisiana coastline from oil. But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department has concerns about where the dredging is being done.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:15 am

“what kind of “leadership” could we expect from that?”

Something better than we have now? :D

And NIF, I’d back off of the “Governor of our largest state” thing. Area doesn’t mean much in the big scheme of things, especially when compared to population. In that regard, Alaska isn’t much. However, she STILL has more and successful executive experience than Hope & Change does right now.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2010
9:15 am

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

USinUK

Alaska is our country’s largest state. It has more land mass and it has our greatest wealth of natural resources.

But to be honest, if Obama had been the governor of Rhode ISland, don’t you think that he would haver had much more experience than being a college professor?

And again, how’s Hollywood-Obama working out? Do you think that he thinks that he is the hero in some sort of childish movie?

Lord Help Us

June 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

Except that Sarah ‘I was for the bridge to nowhere before I was against it’ ‘death panels’ Palin…

QUIT!!

Halfway thru her term…what a leader…

Paul

June 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

Bosch

Lesson learned for next time.

The mindsets are amazing -

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

ohfercryingoutloud – it has the population 1/3 less than RHODE ISLAND

you boys and your issues with SIZE …

Whatever do you mean, UnU?

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:18 am

“…and Dave’s rooting for Republicans to re-take the House as well, but he’s NOT a Republican.”

stands, one does not have to be a Republican to know that, even with their many faults, they are better than what we have now. They may not be good, but they sure as heck are better.

Outhouse Gokart

June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

Agreed NowReally. Instead we got Dumb and Dumber.

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

USinUK

I just don’t have the time to list the problems we now have and who gives a crap about numbers on your computer screen when the job market is getting worse and unemployment is running out.

John

June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

For some reason you think Gen. McChrystal is in charge of our foreign policy decision making. Gen McChrystal does not decide what we as a country are going to do or not do. The decision to stay in Afghanistan was 100% Pres. Obama’s. Gen. McChrysal’s input was in designing the plan to make Pres. Obama’s’ requests come to fruition. Pres. Obama said I want these things to happen and Gen. McChrystal said what is the best way to do it. It is not Gen. McChrystal’s decision on whether to continue or wrap up our deployment. The most obvious case for this is Gen. McChrystal asking for a certain number of troops indefinitely and Pres. Obama not giving the number requested and also setting a timeframe for recalling those troops that everyone said undermined the decision to stay in Afghanistan. If we stay in Afghanistan, then Gen. McChrystal is the best choice to lead our troops and the administration needs to get over their hurt feelings of someone telling the truth. If we leave then it should be in the timeframe that was already laid out, not accelerated because of this. Gen. McChrystal has done nothing to damage US efforts in Afghanistan, only to embarass VP Biden a little more than he already was.

TaxPayer

June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

McCain would have personally handled the bombing of Iran.

Lloyd Christmas

June 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

“You cant triple stamp a double stamp”.

Southern Comfort

June 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

Dave

I was gonna mention that land area vs. population thing, but I see you beat me to it.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
9:21 am

OMG, wonders never cease – NIF actually admitted Obama was a college professor!

Paul,

For real. :roll:

@@

June 23rd, 2010
9:21 am

Why can’t Obama win this war? I’ll tell ‘ya why…

when the Brits reclaimed a bust of Winston Churchill, that had been on loan to the the WH, Obama and Axelrod replaced it with a cover from “The New Yorker”.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/06/obama-new-yorker-walk-on-water.html

Some will say that’s Obama’s appreciation for self-deprecating humor. I say it’s a sign of immaturity…a lack of seriousness towards the responsibilities of a leader.

Obama, “yuckin’” it up.

Outhouse GoKart

June 23rd, 2010
9:21 am

Our troops should stay in Iraq and Afghanistan. That way when the bombing of Iran comes we have troops on the ground at their east/west
borders.

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:21 am

stands for decibels

I went to a political debate last night where Hank Johnson’s seat is up for grabs. Three democrats and two republicans, but there WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS BEING SAID.

Only one Democrats even admitted to being against Arizona’s law.

They are ALL going to be Republicans this fall.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2010
9:23 am

NIF,

But, but, but – isn’t unemployment just a hand out and those who use it are just too lazy to get a job cause they like getting that guvmint check? you guys crack me up.

Nothing is Free

June 23rd, 2010
9:23 am

Bosch

So that’s it? So everything I have said this morning, you have no argument.

Run along. K?

Del

June 23rd, 2010
9:24 am

“lack the heart to tell them to stop” I don’t think this administration and congress lacks the heart to tell them to stop out of the goodness of their hearts. They lack the heart to stand back and let them accomplish what they were sent to do. For Obama to say that this is the real war we have to win and then become indecisive, announce timetables for withdrawal and then insist on rules of engagement that impede success was and is a travesty. Time to wrap this up and bring them home because we won’t provide complete support for their mission and we can’t afford any further loss of life, not to mention we can’t afford it financially.

Dave R.

June 23rd, 2010
9:25 am

LHU, have you ever held elected office? Ever had your every move, both personal and public scrutinized by psychotic whackos who are fixated on your every word and action? Ever had those people by the bunches distracting you from your agenda and costing your community precious time, effort and TAX DOLLARS to answer every challenge to every comma and period in your performance? Especially when ALL the charges but one were deemed frivolous once investigated?

You are not even remotely qualified to judge Palin as a “quitter” if you haven’t had to live through 1/10th of what she had to go through.

Outhouse GoKart

June 23rd, 2010
9:25 am

Obama is a complete embarrassement. More so to himself though than anyone else…

NowReally

June 23rd, 2010
9:25 am

Outhouse Gokart – if Obama and Biden were to compete against McCain and Palin; let’s say on Jeopardy. The show would be renamed “Dumb and Dumber”; in the honor of both republicans. :)

I Report/You Decide

June 23rd, 2010
9:25 am

McChrystal for President in 2012!!!