Large rift opens between Washington, McChrystal

In a story to be published Friday in Rolling Stone, Gen. Stanley McChrystal and his aides are quoted as being highly critical of civilian leaders in Washington, including President Obama and U.S. Sen. John McCain.

Two former high-ranking generals now in civilian roles, National Security Adviser James Jones and Ken Eikenberry, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, apparently come in for the harshest criticism. (The article has not yet been posted; the account here is patched together from various news accounts.)

Jones, a retired four-star general and former Marine commandant, was apparently dismissed as a “clown” by one of McChrystal’s aides. Eikenberry is a retired three-star Army general. Special envoy Richard Holbrooke and Vice President Joe Biden are also targets of criticism among the general’s circle. The only major figure to be lauded by the general and his staff is apparently U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

According to the article, McChrystal has seized control of the war ”by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House.” It also recounts frustration from his own troops over restrictive rules of engagement imposed at McChrystal’s orders.

McChrystal has already issued an apology, which is telling for what it doesn’t say:

“I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard. I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.”

Note the absence of any claim that the reporter of the piece, Michael Hastings, misquoted anybody or got anything wrong.

An already difficult effort in Afghanistan just got tougher. Tensions between those in the field and those in Washington are normal in any war. Privates grumble about sergeants, sergeants grumble about captains, captains and majors grumble about generals and generals grumble about Washington. Everybody at every level is groping a different piece of the elephant, and wondering why others don’t see it as they do.

What is not normal is expressing those tensions frankly to a reporter. McChrystal may very well not survive this, although it might take a couple of months to name a replacement. (UPDATE: McChrystal has reportedly been summoned back to Washington for a Wednesday meeting.) In fact, the behavior is so self-destructive that you have to wonder whether this wasn’t a way for the general to extricate himself from a place that he didn’t want to be. While McChrystal doesn’t seem that type, what other result did he and his staff expect?

UPDATE II: I just finished reading the piece in question. Its descriptions of disrespect toward civilian leadership will draw the most attention, and will likely get McChrystal fired. But that’s not the major thrust of the article, which is that the war itself is unwinnable and unlikely to end well.

It describes a military leadership that hates the thought of losing and that wants desperately to believe that with more resources, a better plan and more time, it could achieve something close to victory.

It also describes an Afghanistan that has doomed such military dreams for thousands of years, and will almost certainly do so again. Here’s the most telling quote, from an officer who probably didn’t mean to sound as pessimistic as he does:

“It’s not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win,” says Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who serves as chief of operations for McChrystal. “This is going to end in an argument.”

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Sarah Palin

June 22nd, 2010
7:19 am

the behavior is so self-destructive that you have to wonder whether this wasn’t a way for the general to extricate himself from a place that he didn’t want to be.

In the absence of any more information than what you’ve presented? Works for me.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:22 am

Works for me

Why, that’s surprisingly insightful of you, Ms. Palin.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:28 am

Why, that’s surprisingly insightful of you, Ms. Palin.

Just like her solution to the BP oil spill…Pray baby, pray…

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:32 am

USinUK,
Check it out…weather trivia…

http://www.wsbtv.com/myweather/index.html

Bombshell McGhee

June 22nd, 2010
7:33 am

Is this the military or a soap opera, and these men are afraid of gays…..

AmVet

June 22nd, 2010
7:38 am

Of his numerous failings in office to date, Obama’s becoming GWB II in this idiotic foreign policy, aka, The Crusades, is astounding but not particularly surprising.

He lied about bring our men and women home from Quagmire Part One. He kept in place all of the the previous quasi-fascists strong arm tactics – suspension of habeus corpus, allowing corporations to spy on us without warrant, keeping GITMO open, farming out “rendition” – and he even “surged” into Afghanistan.

Now the duplicitous, craven, bloodlusting chickenhawks have even lost what little vicarious courage they had during the Bush glory years. When their lunatic oilmen and obvious fools were “in charge” and were getting lots and lots and lots of American kids KIA’d needlessly.

After those disastrous, deadly and lie-filled failures of the previous administration, it would seem the day has come in this country when many Americans no longer even believe these contrived wars for profit have little to do with national security.

So now the body count keeps going up and we are in a shiitehole trying moronically to bring people from the 14th century up to date. This unwinnable clusterf&ck is not worth one more American life. Not one.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:39 am

I’ve done a bit of rooting around online, still don’t know who actually wrote the RS piece. Gather it wasn’t Matt Taibbi. Anyone know?

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
7:39 am

Update posted above: McChrystal has reportedly been summoned to Washington for a Wednesday meeting.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:41 am

Ok, AmVet, I don’t mind your daily venting about how FUBAR Obama is because he hasn’t fixed everything about this Republic that’s effed up. You and J-Nix are real cute that way.

However:

“He lied about bring our men and women home from Quagmire Part One.”

Please to explain how the Administration’s policy of working within the Status of Forces Agreement negotiated in late 2008 constitutes lying.

jt

June 22nd, 2010
7:41 am

” After a year as a senior service college fellow at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, ”

Herein lies the problem.

He also lied about the “friendly fire” episode concerning a REAL American hero Pat Tillman.
He also voted for President Obama.

Sh&t-can THIS clown, do not find a replacement. Bring our troops home.

Wars are WAAAAAAy above this president’s pay-grade.

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
7:41 am

The author is identified above, sfd.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:44 am

the reporter of the piece, Michael Hastings

d’oh!

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:49 am

I see that Michael Hastings has a deeply personal stake in these foreign policy decisions…

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2008-03-31-hastings-iraq_N.htm

Del

June 22nd, 2010
7:52 am

McChrystal and many others in the military have justified frustration with Obama, however, voicing feelings publicly in a magazine article is unbecoming of military bearing. Something must have snapped for him to have succumbed to the pressure.

AmVet

June 22nd, 2010
7:52 am

Cute?

What rock were you living under in 2007 and 2008, stands?

On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

His commitment to bring combat troops home by May 20, 2010, and end the war gave him an edge among Democrats over candidate Hillary Clinton.

However, on Feb. 27, Obama declared, “Let me say this as plainly as I can: By Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.” The New York Times reports, Obama will withdraw only two of the 14 brigades before December.

As part of a “new era of American leadership,” he also said he would leave behind a residual force of 35,000 to 50,000 troops and remove all U.S. soldiers from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 – the same deadline the Bush administration negotiated with the Iraqi government last year in its Status of Forces Agreement.

Additionally, some combat units would remain in Iraq beyond Obama’s declared August 2010 withdrawal. Rather than returning home, they would simply face reassignment as “advisory training brigades.”

Even as combat troops are brought home, Pentagon officials have said fresh units will continue deploying to Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p12cAclNCRU

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
7:53 am

Normal – 7:32 … don’t make me sign up for WSB … then I’ll start getting e-mails from Monica, which I’ll try to ignore, but she’ll get persistent and I’ll have to leave the country. again.

what does WSB say?

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:54 am

On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

Please provide the date of this campaign website quote.

If it’s prior to the date that the SoFA was negotiated, it’s not a “lie.”

Stew Day

June 22nd, 2010
7:55 am

Jay

We are fighting a winless, expensive war with our hands tied behind our back blind folded and silenced. This is just the cherry on the sundae. Why are we in that country, what is our objective and how does the war protect our country? Anyone know?

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
7:55 am

AmVet…how old are you? And how long will it take for you to learn that the real world has a way of interfering with promises?

Redneck Convert

June 22nd, 2010
7:55 am

Well, this all reminds me of the time Forrest Snipes wanted to get fired down at the warehouse so he could draw unemployment and watch the World Serious on TV. He busted up cases of beer and wrecked a forklift and done about everything he could think of to get a pink slip but nothing worked. Finally, he walked up behind the boss’s wife when she was visiting and snapped her bra from behind. That got him home.

Looks to me like this Gen. McChrystal is looking for a pink slip. I mean, seems like he’s done everything but give Obama’s girls wedgies to get out of his job. Even the dumbest librul Democrat knows you don’t talk to a reporter and call your bosses everything but saints and still keep your job. Unless your biggest boss is dumber than you are. Which might could be the case. He’s no Norman Einstein, that’s for sure. The only question is how many stars they’ll take away before they send him to the couch to watch all the sports he wants. My guess is it would be a mighty good time to be a Lt. Gen. looking for a leg up right now.

Have a good day everybody.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:55 am

Stand,
I believe every American should have a deeply personal stake in any decision that involves putting our young in harms way for no good reason. I truly believe that I would not survive if I lost one of mine there.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:57 am

If you answer the weather trivia (green square), it will tell you.

the answer is based on tornado per area, which would make sence because UK is smaller…

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
7:58 am

AV, I might add that even back when Obama was discussing just how he was intending to be “as careful getting out as we were careless getting in” to Iraq, there were folks on the left wondering what constituted “combat troops” during the campaign. Rachel Maddow being among them; that’s what made me pay attention to the nomenclature (i.e., weasel-wording.)

I say all this not to provide a gleaming endorsement of Obama’s military strategery, just to take some of the wind out of those “you LIE!” sails.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:59 am

“Looks to me like this Gen. McChrystal is looking for a pink slip.”

OHMYGAWD??!! Is he gay too???

jt

June 22nd, 2010
7:59 am

“Eight Dead among 52 Shot Across the City over Weekend.”

Aphganistan?

Iraq?

No……….That was the recent headline of the Chicago Times. The President should FIRST control Chicago and other democratic strongholds before trying to control other countries.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
7:59 am

jt,
you are a hoot!

Union

June 22nd, 2010
8:00 am

in the military.. its sort of a rule.. no matter how inept the up chain is.. even civilians.. you never criticize outside of you and your mates. as in mogadishu, there was criticism by those on the inside.. of how the civilian side (aka washington) dropped the ball, but it didnt really make it to the press.

a military thinking person wants action and decisiveness.. those days are long gone.. we now wait on committees and public opinion polls before things are done. for someone that has dedicated their lives to a way of life.. I can imagine it is frustrating..

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
8:00 am

“The President should FIRST control Chicago and other democratic strongholds before trying to control other countries.”

What ever happened to states rights?

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:02 am

I believe every American should have a deeply personal stake in any decision that involves putting our young in harms way for no good reason.

Absolutely. And neighbors and colleagues of mine who’ve been Over There make it personal for me as well. Just not to the deeply deeply personal extent of needing to write a book to deal with the grief from losing a fiancee, is all I was implying.

They're Delicious!

June 22nd, 2010
8:02 am

If you like General McChrystal, you’ll LOVE the Chicken Cheese General McChrystal.

Bubba

June 22nd, 2010
8:03 am

Interesting quote from the BBC story:

Another aide refers to a key Oval Office meeting with the president a year ago.
The aide says it was “a 10-minute photo op”, adding: “Obama clearly didn’t know anything about him, who he was… he didn’t seem very engaged. The boss was pretty disappointed.”

And it was Bush who was supposed to be the lightweight? LOL

El Jefe

June 22nd, 2010
8:03 am

When the war is micromanaged from the shores of the Potomac and not from the senior officers in theater, what did you expect.

Insert to many politicians into a war and you have another Korea, Vietnam, Iranian hostage rescue attempt, Gulf War I & II.

Let the Generals fight the war, just give them what you want accomplished, the end goal, and let them figure out how to do it.

Don’t tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.
George S. Patton

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
8:03 am

Agreed…he probably didnt wanna hang around afghanistan with his boss being the inexperienced Obama. Pretty smart plan for self-extradition…if thats the case.

Then theres Biden…lol.

Military Mite

June 22nd, 2010
8:05 am

When the hell fire of General McChrystal Nacth comes down on the wimps in the White House, Barock O’Chicken will get on bored.

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
8:05 am

Besides…Obama has much more important things to worry about than the lives of our military…

“Obama to Meet With Grassroots Gay Activists”

AmVet

June 22nd, 2010
8:07 am

Doggone/GA, old enough to see through BOTH Republican AND Democratic shills and dupes.

Notwithstanding your rudeness.

Do you honestly think I believed him??? I said on this very forum, before he was even elected, that he was not believable.

I hold this latest fraud to a no less accountable level than any of the other 10 American presidents during my lifetime, who have made countless intentional lies during their campaigns. And while in office.

Particularly, when there are American lives in the balance. Take THAT to the bank.

If you choose to cut him some sort of contrived “break” for whatever reason, like the neo-cons did Bush/Cheney, that is your call.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:07 am

The President should FIRST control Chicago and other democratic strongholds before trying to control other countries.

Indeed, the President should by all means drop what he’s doing and focus instead on local police work in metropolitan areas whose murder rate trendlines have been dropping for the past two decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
8:09 am

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
8:03 am

Outhouse,
you and others here find fault in everything President Obama does, and y’all call for his impeachment or make veiled threats on him, but consider this. If President Obama goes, you are stuck with President Biden…ever think of that? Just askin’…

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
8:09 am

“Do you honestly think I believed him???”

If you didn’t believe him, they why refer back to those quotes?

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
8:11 am

Stew, I wish I could offer a stirring rebuttal, but ….

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:11 am

If you choose to cut him some sort of contrived “break” for whatever reason

well yeah. I choose not to adopt the same rhetoric of Rep. Joe Wilson. That’s where I draw the line, it’s brightly drawn and reads: “Does this post make me sound akin to a dumb redneck Congrefsman?”

Union

June 22nd, 2010
8:11 am

@ jay.. msnbc is reading excerpts from the article.. this is gonna get real nasty when the complete article comes out.

AmVet

June 22nd, 2010
8:13 am

On the campaign trail, President Barack Obama promised to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay. Two days after he took office, he vowed to close it within a year — by Jan. 22, 2010.

How about some more never minds and justifications for this one?

If you didn’t believe him, they why refer back to those quotes?

That doesn’t even make any sense, Doggone/GA. His prevarications, not my gullibility, are the topic.

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
8:15 am

“That was the recent headline of the Chicago Times. The President should FIRST control Chicago and other democratic strongholds before trying to control other countries”

ohgoodgawd – do you HONESTLY think this is the president’s JOB???

good gravy … what ARE they teaching in schools these days …

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:15 am

Why are we in that country

Same primary reason we were still in Vietnam in the late 60s. The vanity of a (relative) few individuals.

And I know I’m oversimplifying; I know it takes serious courage to tell people, in effect, we could not accomplish the mission, and we are cutting our losses. It may take more courage than any Administration in history has been, is, or ever will be capable of mustering.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
8:18 am

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
8:15 am

Isn’t that Socialism, or Fascism, or Communism, or is it stupidism…

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
8:18 am

Normal – all I know is that it really is nice to NOT worry about: tornadoes, hurricanes, snakes (we have adders, but they’re not that common) and black-widow spiders

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
8:20 am

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
8:21 am

Normal – 8:18 – sounds more like peeinyourpantsism (the politics of reactionaries)

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:21 am

How about some more never minds and justifications for this one?

You’ll not get them from me. I’ve been ridiculing those who seem to think we can’t try and house the superduper Terrists on US soil for years now.

And in a related item, I think Obama hung his AG out to dry by allowing Holder to boldly claim he’d be trying KSM in New York only to wuss out a couple of weeks later with a “oh, Mayor Bloomberg sez it’ll be expensive so… never mind!”

In case that’s not clear.

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
8:22 am

“How about some more never minds and justifications for this one?”

How about a cold, hard case of reality: CONGRESS REFUSED TO FUND THE CLOSING

“His prevarications, not my gullibility, are the topic.”

Unkept promises are not lies, especially when circumstances change and render the promises unfullfillable. And before you get your panties in a tighter wad, I am NOT “excusing” him. I thought it was beyond stupid for him to make those promsies in the first place…but that’s what our “election system” (VERY much in quotes) more or less forces a politician to do.

Our esteemed votes don’t want the truth, they “can’t handle the truth” – they want a politician to make them pretty promises, never mind if they can actually be kept or not.

kayaker 71

June 22nd, 2010
8:22 am

McChrystal’s bio is pretty revealing. He has served as Special Ops Commander, attended Harvard University and dedicated his whole life to being a soldier. Those four stars didn’t get there by accident. Compare this to the bumbling idiot that is his CIC. No previous military experience, no experience at much of anything…… Bozo shouldn’t even have an opinion about the Afghan war. And who in this whole sordid episode is going to get thrown under the bus?

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
8:23 am

Union

June 22nd, 2010
8:24 am

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
8:24 am

Isn’t that Socialism, or Fascism, or Communism, or is it stupidism…

in jt’s case, it’s Glibertarianism.

Really must run. Don’t mission-creep anyone while I’m away.

Bubba

June 22nd, 2010
8:25 am

Why are we in Afghanistan? Simply put, it’s to stabilize the current government, which, for all its warts, supports our efforts to fight terrorism; and to prevent the country from returning to the control of the Taliban, which would offer safe haven to Muslim terrorists. It’s a sensible goal. Whether it can be achieved or not is another matter. But to say we’re there because of a few people’s egos, is a gross simplification.

jt

June 22nd, 2010
8:26 am

“Indeed, the President should by all means drop what he’s doing and focus instead on local police work in metropolitan areas whose murder rate trendlines have been dropping for the past two decades.”

My bust, murders have dropped about 2%. No small consolation to the 458 that WERE murdered in 2009. (just one democrat city). Incidentally, there were only 7 homocides for the St. Valentines Massecre. (the day Chicago died).

If you totaled American democrat-stronghold cities, (or the highest recipients of federal funds), you find that more Americans die, PER DAY, than what any PO’ed shiite or sunni muslem could ever possibly do. And the former tragedy would be easier to fix.

weird.

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
8:26 am

I never called for Obamas impeachment as I see no grounds. And yes the idea of Biden in charge is even more distressing.

Scout

June 22nd, 2010
8:26 am

Jay:

“While McChrystal doesn’t seem that type, what other result did he and his staff expect?”

Just maybe, just maybe ……….. they are trying to save American lives. If that is the case, I honor them !

After all is said and done, how many names will there be on the Vietnam (excuse me), Afghanistan Wall !!!

P.S. ……….. and none of them will be staffers in Washington.

jconservative

June 22nd, 2010
8:27 am

From the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

McChrystal is clearly in violation of the UCMJ and he needs to be relieved of command and court martial proceedings started.

He reports to General Petraeus at Central Command; it is Petraeus’ job to handle this.

mrs. w.

June 22nd, 2010
8:30 am

Am Vet: those comments by Obama just shows how inexperienced and green he really is. He did not / does not have the experience to be president. Perhaps had he stayed in the senate for ten or so more years he would have been a better president but I doubt it.

As far as the comments made by this general – I am sure he will be made to be very sorry even though our commander in chief says every fool thing that pops into his head out loud without knowing the whole story or without reading the bill. We are all in deeeeeep sh** for another couple of years.

jt

June 22nd, 2010
8:31 am

hgoodgawd – do you HONESTLY think this is the president’s JOB??

Do you honestly think it IS NOT???????????

He routinely is involved in our banking, manufactoring, fatherhood, etc…………………

One would think he could involved himself with MAYHEM, from his OWN previous congressional district. Sheeesh.

Shawny

June 22nd, 2010
8:31 am

Yep. Obama is a con artist.

Welcome to the shell game. Multiple promises broken.
I say again:
Job #1 is to get elected.
Job #2 is to get re-elected.
Job #3 is to reap the rewards for holding the power.
Unfortunately the job is not public service, as we are led to think.

Union

June 22nd, 2010
8:32 am

In the profile, McChrystal jokes sarcastically about preparing to answer a question referring to Vice President Joe Biden, known as a skeptic of the commander’s war strategy.
“‘Are you asking about Vice President Biden?’ McChrystal says with a laugh. ‘Who’s that?’” the article quotes him as saying.
“‘Biden?’ suggests a top adviser. ‘Did you say: Bite Me?’”

jt

June 22nd, 2010
8:34 am

hgoodgawd – do you HONESTLY think this is the president’s JOB??

It would be comman sense with a touch of humanity. If ya ain’t got it by now,

all ya can do, is keep voting democrat. Some of you will make it.

Lord Help Us

June 22nd, 2010
8:37 am

Advice to the general:

Never ‘patrol’ the poppy fields of Afghanistan with a reporter from Rolling Stone…

Hunter S. Thompson (RIP) would have loved that assignment…

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2010
8:37 am

The reason obama has not kept his promises on ending the war and closing Gitmo, is because when he said those things, he was not fully informed. He did not have the clearance to know what W knew. When he became President, I sure it must have been a shock to see the big picture. Now he knows what W and every other President has known. By the way, you and I do not have the big picture, so remember that when you form an opinion. How can you speak of something you know nothing about.

A private sector employee

June 22nd, 2010
8:40 am

Afghanistan is going to collapse in about 18 months. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are just waiting out the U.S. presence at this point. If you have listened to the NPR reports, you know that the people are scared. They expect that the U.S. will be gone in a couple of years, and anyone that cooperated with the U.S. will be killed. This is what happens when our Commander in cheif lays out timelines for all to see.

It will be interesting to see if he gets and audience with the President.

kayaker 71

June 22nd, 2010
8:42 am

I cannot imagine the frustration of McChrystal and his staff in having to deal with Bozo and his inept group of “war strategists” who would fight a boutique sort of war to not offend anyone. Since graduating from West Point in 1976, McChrystal has devoted his entire life to the military and it’s mission. He is an experienced and respected soldier who has trouble with the concept of losing, especially when it involves loss of life of those whom he would command. A lot of good soldiers are not the best politicians, ie McCaffery, McArthur and George S. Patton. If we are going to send our troops to a war zone we should send them there to win, plain and simple.

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2010
8:44 am

52 shootings in one weekend in Chicago? How exactly did obama organize the community? By caliber, by number of total weapons possesed, or by ruthlessness?

Pokey

June 22nd, 2010
8:44 am

Perhaps Gen McC is doing what generals in Vietnam should have done…calling b.s. on civilian incompetence and a flawed, half-hearted policy, consequences be damned.

jt

June 22nd, 2010
8:45 am

USinUK

For what it is worth, my last snarky remark(voting democrat) was directed at normal , not you.

In his world, I suppose it could be ” stupidism ” to want to stop violence in your own country.

I’m out.

Lord Help Us

June 22nd, 2010
8:46 am

Fear and Loathing in Iraq: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the NeoCon Dream…

(okay, I know the topic is Afghanistan, but the title fits better to Iraq…)

AmVet

June 22nd, 2010
8:47 am

Unkept promises are not lies, especially when circumstances change and render the promises unfullfillable.

We’ll have to agree that I vehemently disagree.

And because flag-draped coffins coming back to Dover AFB are the result, I will never, ever, ever let this latest Master of Misspeak off of the hook.

I don’t give a tinker’s damn if you or anyone else votes for him until the cows come home. I would not in ten lifetimes.

Duty calls. Off to help pay for Quagmire Part Deux…

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
8:53 am

If McChrystal has issues with his Commander in Chief, he needs to vent them to him, not Rolling Stone.

Scooter

June 22nd, 2010
8:55 am

I have always heard ” There is nothing worse than getting what you asked for”. Dang,what a mess!

Easy there AmVet,you might blow a gasket! LMAO

Union

June 22nd, 2010
8:55 am

BADA BING
June 22nd, 2010
8:44 am

52 shootings in one weekend in Chicago? How exactly did obama organize the community? By caliber, by number of total weapons possesed, or by ruthlessness?

ok.. now that one was actually kind of funny,,

@@

June 22nd, 2010
9:03 am

Obama suffers public humiliation!!??!! Can’t have that now, can we?

From my personal observations, nobody humiliates Obama better than Obama, himself.

larry

June 22nd, 2010
9:04 am

In a story to be published Friday in Rolling Stone, Gen. Stanley McChrystal and his aides are quoted as being highly critical of civilian leaders in Washington, including President Obama and U.S. Sen. John McCain.

I have not seen one post about McChrystal being highly critical about McCain. Maybe after all those years in the Senate and having that military experience that one poster talked about doesnt keep you insulated from a general’s criticism .

@@

June 22nd, 2010
9:05 am

McChrystal described his first meeting with Obama as disappointing and said that Obama was unprepared for the meeting.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38837.html#ixzz0rb8VM4cY

How about unprepared to be President.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
9:05 am

“From my personal observations, nobody humiliates Obama better than Obama, himself.”

Ha, ha…now that IS funny…and becoming truer every day…

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AmVet, I feel your pain…

Southern Comfort

June 22nd, 2010
9:07 am

None of this would even have taken place if we had just wiped out all the terrorist camps in 2001-2002 and left.

I’m not sure why McChrystal said what he said, but I do know that his actions are unbecoming of an officer. Our actions in Afghanistan have been like performing neuro-surgery with a chainsaw. We’re using the wrong tactics and have been doing it for too long.

joan

June 22nd, 2010
9:09 am

McChrystal stepped out of line talking to the press, but maybe he wants the American people to know what he knows: That we are being governed by a bunch of self serving, narcissictic idiots. Maybe he threw himself on the sword knowing that a public interview would be the only way he could let us know what was going on. I hope if he is fired then he really opens up and tells us what he thinks. I know one thing. My son would have both legs broken, by me, if he wanted to go to war in the Mideast–that is just a suicide mission with no up side.

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
9:10 am

“None of this would even have taken place if we had just wiped out all the terrorist camps in 2001-2002 and left”

Exactly!

“We’re using the wrong tactics and have been doing it for too long.”

We shouldn’t have to be using any tactics…we should have been out of there years ago.

jconservative

June 22nd, 2010
9:10 am

Bush sent troops to Afghanistan to get Osama bin laden. I applauded that decision and still do so. The mission was a complete failure. We did not get bin Laden. At that point Bush should have pulled all troops out of Afghanistan. He did not. I critize him for that decision.

Eight years later Obama takes office. Had he immediately pulled troops out of Afghanistan I would have applauded that decision. He elected to keep troops there. I critize him for that decision.

It is now nine years since we sent troops to Afghanistan. The question on the table is this: What do we have to show for the nine years?

Afghanistan is a 12th century feudal society. We will not emerge from this conflict with anything approaching the traditional American definition of “victory”.

Bubba

June 22nd, 2010
9:14 am

Let’s open this up for debate: Who’s the more incompetent president, James Buchanan or Barack Obama? I’m going with Buchanan, since his ineptitude paved the way for the Civil War. Obama hasn’t got us there yet. But he’s got two more years.

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
9:14 am

I agree with what you just said, every word.

“What do we have to show for the nine years?”

A second bunch of politicians who can’t understand the “you break it, you own it” concept.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
9:17 am

Southern Comfort

June 22nd, 2010
9:07 am

Well said…

Disgusted

June 22nd, 2010
9:17 am

I’m not sure why McChrystal said what he said, but I do know that his actions are unbecoming of an officer.

Agree. Even the dumbest Pfc. knows better than to disparage his leadership to the press. McChrystal may very well be correct in his assessment–none of us are in a position to judge that, given our lack of knowledge of all the circumstances–but he has cast serious doubt on his own leadership qualities.

Lord Help Us

June 22nd, 2010
9:18 am

I have seen reports that suggest that the number of Al Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan is, literally, almost single digits.

The reporting and intelligence indicates that Al Qaeda now operates in Pakistan.

Follow me so far…

Pakistan is supposedly our ‘ally’ in the ‘War on Terror.’

Our soldiers are dying to ’stabilize’ Afghanistan…and the ‘enemy’ is in Pakistan who is our ‘ally’ AND, unlike Afghanistan, has a substantial NUCLEAR arsenal…

This effort has made us safer how???

Is any of this making sense

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
9:19 am

The sooner we get to our lame duck session the better and safer.

Bubba

June 22nd, 2010
9:20 am

C’mon. You think McChrystal didn’t know the sheet would hit the fan over this? Of course he did. He probably should and will resign, but we will thank him later for exposing this ship of fools.

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
9:22 am

UPDATE II: I just finished reading the piece in question. (http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM130_r1109mcchrystal.pdf ) Its descriptions of disrespect toward civilian leadership will draw the most attention, and will likely get McChrystal fired. But that’s not the major thrust of the article, which is that the war itself is unwinnable and unlikely to end well.

It describes a military leadership that hates the thought of losing and that wants desperately to believe that with more resources, a better plan and more time, it could achieve something close to victory.

It also describes an Afghanistan that has doomed such military dreams for thousands of years, and will almost certainly do so again. Here’s the most telling quote, from an officer who probably didn’t mean to sound as pessimistic as he does:

“It’s not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win,” says Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who serves as chief of operations for McChrystal. “This is going to end in an argument.”

Doggone/GA

June 22nd, 2010
9:23 am

“it could achieve something close to victory”

And what does that leadership define as “victory”?

SPQR(laissez Faire)

June 22nd, 2010
9:25 am

I will NOT back McChrystal because he went along with those clowns in the white house about the restrictive ROE which have caused a spike in US deaths to try to save a few of those worthless f’ing pashtoons..but that being said, finally someone had the guts to say what everyone except the truly retarded, have been thinking..Obama and his regime’s inner circle, are amateur CLOWNS.

And obama seems mighty thin skinned lately doesn’t he…I hope he has a bad day.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
9:26 am

President Obama,
For the sake of your soul, bring our troops home NOW!

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
9:27 am

“It’s not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win,” says Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who serves as chief of operations for McChrystal. “This is going to end in an argument.”

The man knows how to tell it like it is…

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
9:30 am

“It describes a military leadership that hates the thought of losing and that wants desperately to believe that with more resources, a better plan and more time, it could achieve something close to victory.”

The equivalency of “just FIVE more minutes….PLEASE!!!!”

TaxPayer

June 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

It is way past time to pack up and get out of there. Leave the place to the Chinese miners and we’ll just sit back and buy their end-products, until their labor costs get too high.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
9:32 am

“buy their end-products”

Taxpayer,

Their only end-product is opium….. :-)