In NCAA, athletics are the tail that wags the dawg

Last week, the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics released the results of an 18-month study into the finances behind college athletics (”Restoring the Balance: Dollars, Values and the Future of College Sports”).

Among other findings, it reported that “expenditures in big-time college sports grew 38 percent – nearly twice as much as spending on academics – from 2005 to 2008.” It also predicted that athletic budgets at each of the ten biggest-spending public institutions would exceed $250 million, on average, by 2020, up from $98 million in 2009.

With university and state budgets suffering due to the economy, the commission warns in its transmittal letter, “this financial arms race threatens the continued viability of athletics programs and the integrity of our universities. It cannot be maintained.” The report itself warns that educational activities are in danger of being compromised to sustain ever higher sports funding.

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As the chart above demonstrates, the Southeastern Conference is by far the biggest-spending conference in the country, even though most of its member schools represent states with some of the nation’s lowest household incomes. As the commission also reports, “According to a USA Today analysis, just seven athletics programs generated enough revenue to finish in the black in each of the past five years.”

UPDATE: In the USA Today analysis cited in the report, the seven programs to make money in each of the last five years were Georgia, Iowa, Louisiana State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas. Last year, just 14 major-college programs made money for their schools; every other program in the country had to be subsidized by taxpayers, and the subsidies are rising as costs soar.

As USA Today reported:

“The nation’s highest-profile college athletic programs drew a greater percentage of their revenue from student fees and their schools’ general funds in 2009 than they had in any of the previous four years, a USA TODAY analysis of new college sports finance data finds.

More than half of athletic departments at public schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision were subsidized by at least 26% last year, up from 20% in 2005. That’s a jump of $198 million when adjusting for inflation and includes money from student fees, university support and state subsidies.”

BTW, Michael Adams, president of the University of Georgia, was among those signing the commission report.

105 comments Add your comment

joe matarotz

June 22nd, 2010
12:04 pm

Time for a spending cap. How hard is that?

USinUK

June 22nd, 2010
12:05 pm

“Among other findings, it reported that “expenditures in big-time college sports grew 38 percent – nearly twice as much as spending on academics – from 2005 to 2008.” It also predicted that athletic budgets at each of the ten biggest-spending public institutions would exceed $250 million, on average, by 2020, up from $98 million in 2009.”

you can tell a lot about a country by looking at its priorities.

good grief.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2010
12:10 pm

The thing is, the university Athletic Association is almost a separate company from the rest of the University. UGA’s AA donated 2 or 3 million to the university this year and last.

kayaker 71

June 22nd, 2010
12:10 pm

The SEC is in first place in their quest to use athletes while they are in college for the big bucks, then toss them aside when they graduate and don’t make the NFL draft. College theme papers written by other students, pud classes that most do not attend and grade curves that benefit that offensive lineman. But the bottom line is that the athlete graduates from college with a substandard education and finds a job selling cars after not benefiting one bit from all of the gazillions of dollars that the colleges have made off of him during his tenure. War Eagle.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2010
12:16 pm

“Time for a spending cap. How hard is that?”

You have any idea how much athletic associations make? It seems like they get it right…something the gov’t hasn’t. Take in more than you spend. That’s how they’re able to donate money to the rest of the university.

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
12:19 pm

Eliminating silly sports like female basketball and others that have no future outside of college is the way to go.

WNBA…how silly.

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
12:20 pm

Kayaker 71,

War Eagle! I only let a football player cheat off my test once. When he got a better grade than I did, via comparison shopping, I decided that was a bad idea. He ended up dropping out and selling drugs anyway. I did manage to graduate, for whatever that’s worth. I agree that those who profit treat it as a business, and the guys that do the knee-crushing work are not only not allowed to profit too, but they’re tossed aside when their usefulness to the profiteers is over. Hmm….
Did someone tell Norma Rae? Perhaps some union rabble is the answer! ;->

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
12:23 pm

I heard yesterday that Quinnipiac University discontinued its women’s volleyball program in favor of cheer leading Apparently, the cheer leading team makes more money than the volleyball team did. A federal court may decide whether cheer leading is a sport.

Well, I suppose if there is money in it, a Tiddilywinks scholarship is next.

jt

June 22nd, 2010
12:30 pm

Because of your friendly benevolent Federal government, any college sport that is popular and a proven money maker (think football) HAS to be mirrored by a ridicul%us sport that no one watches(think women basketball). It is called Title IX.

Basically, colleges are COERCED into spending TWICE the money for some pie in the sky social engineering.

Anything wrong in this society always has a common denominator. And that denominator resides in Washington District of Crooks.

Thank you and have a good day.

TaxPayer

June 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm

What would we do with educated athletes.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm

the Southeastern Conference is by far the biggest-spending conference in the country, even though most of its member schools represent states with some of the nation’s lowest household incomes

NO! really?

RB from Gwinnett

June 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm

These athletes whom you claim are used for profit and then cast aside have been given a golden ticket to a free college degree; something many would kill for. If they CHOOSE to squander that opportunity and end up selling used cars with no degree, it’s as a result of the choices THEY made while there. Just like pretty much everybody else.

And what do you think would have become of the no useful degree student if they hadn’t gone to college at all? You think they would have magically become a doctor if the evil SEC hadn’t wanted them to play football for a profit?

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 22nd, 2010
12:41 pm

I’m for the NFL and NBA financing their own minor leagues, as baseball does.

If we’re not going to do that, drop the student/athlete charade and pay the players. They seem to be the only ones not making big bucks from all this.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
12:42 pm

I’m for the NFL and NBA financing their own minor leagues, as baseball does.

If we’re not going to do that, drop the student/athlete charade and pay the players. They seem to be the only ones not making big bucks from all this.

Like he said. Every word. Squared.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
12:45 pm

RB, you only have choices when there is something to choose from on the menu.

Before I enlisted in the Air Force, I was required to take a battery of tests in engineering, administration, mechanics and general subjects. An insufficient score in any of the four areas would have precluded me from joining the Air Force. Once Basic Training began, I was given career field choices. Only those with the highest scores could choose from virtually any career field. Those with lower scores saw limited choices.

This procedure reminds me of the SEC. You have lower academic expectations, attract athletes with lower scores, and, therefore, they are much less likely to achieve anything other than in athletics.

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
12:50 pm

RB from G at 12:33,

I totally agree with you!! They DO get what skinny, awkward, financially-challenged would-be college students don’t get, and that IS worth gold! And yes, absolutely, I’ve known athletes who made the most of that, and athletes who chose to squander it. Their choice.

That does not negate the reality, though, that many (but certainly not all) of these programs push the kids to excel in their sports while coddling them academically. When the Auburn-Alabama game is coming up in a few days, are these coaches & trainers — often the strongest parental figures some of these kids have ever had — riding them hard about “getting” the chemistry or math unti they’re currently struggling with? Are they staying up all night with them to get the Trig homework done or the term paper written? No, they’re hollering at them to run plays. And if the poor kid takes a few bucks for Momma & ‘nem back home who [often] have nothing, it’s scandal time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all FOR college sports (for girls too, you he-man woman haters), but academics should come first.

Southern Comfort

June 22nd, 2010
12:53 pm

These athletes whom you claim are used for profit and then cast aside have been given a golden ticket to a free college degree

Many of those same students when asked, will spell dog as c-a-t. You can’t get a degree if you don’t have the aptitude to do the work. Listen to professional athletes do an interview. Many can’t string together a coherent sentence.

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
12:53 pm

Womens tennis sure..WNBA = money loser.

Southern Comfort

June 22nd, 2010
12:54 pm

Also, that War Eagle tasted like Thanksgiving Turkey last year.

ROOOOOLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!

Jefferson

June 22nd, 2010
12:54 pm

If the atheletes had to get into college 1st, then go out for sports they would truly be student atheletes. Now they are just dogs and ponies.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 22nd, 2010
12:57 pm

We don’t need no stinking edumacation. All I want to know is, is our football players out of jail yet? I wouldn’t give a plug nickel to watch a bunch of pin-headed Norman Einsteins walking around with their pocket protectors and calculators. Bunch of pansies! But football? Now there’s something I’m willing to pay big money for. No sirree, you’ll never go wrong with sports. I say fire all the teachers and use the money to hire more coaches.

Far as I’m concerned, these colledges are putting the money on the right people. They may be blockheads, but they’re OUR blockheads!

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Recovering Jock

June 22nd, 2010
12:57 pm

I’m not even going to take the time to read the posts. Forget about spending on athletics over academics, PAY THE ATHLETES. And spare us the “they get a free education” crap. SO does ANY University of GA employee (of family memeber), and they (employees) still get paid. The librarian can attend classes for free, but she still gets paid. The guy who cuts the grass on the quad can send his kids to school for free, but he still gets paid. The problem is; the universities don’t want to add 120 “employees” to their payroll (payroll tax, workmen’s comp premiums, legal liability for wrongful termination, etc.). The NCAA needs to end the hypocrisy and eliminate athletic scholarships all together and pay coaches as they pay any instructor/professor), or come clean about the true nature of intercollegiate athletics (pro sports franchises, which in the case of public universities were initially funded by taxpayers). Or, eliminate practice of separating the Athletic Department (financially) from the school, and have all revenue end up in the general scholarhship fund, to be used by all departments.

@@

June 22nd, 2010
12:58 pm

I AM ALL FOR DOING AWAY WITH SPECTATOR SPORTS!!!!!

Did I say that loud enough?

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
12:58 pm

SoCo,

Great! Beating the laundry soap every single year was getting boring. The rivalry is much more fun when they don’t suck. (Of course, I’m from here, so my true loathing lies a few miles to the east, and I’d be happy if they sucked every year.)

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
12:59 pm

OGK, you are part of the problem. It should not be about the money. Moreover, have you noticed that our women’s basketball teams have kicked butt in international events (like the Olympics) of late? There are some excellent student/athletes in women’s sports, and they deserve to have support just like the men’s teams enjoy.

Hillbilly Deluxe

June 22nd, 2010
1:00 pm

These athletes whom you claim are used for profit and then cast aside have been given a golden ticket to a free college degree

I’ve always wondered how much $$$ UGA made off Herschel.

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
1:01 pm

AtAt,

As long as you don’t yammer while we’re watching the game, nobody cares what you think. Now fetch us some sandwiches and cold beers before you head out shopping for the day. Don’t feel like you need to hurry back, either. There are games on the west coast until the wee hours, and yes, we’ll be watching.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:06 pm

Recovering Jack said The NCAA needs to end the hypocrisy and eliminate athletic scholarships all together and pay coaches as they pay any instructor/professor)

College coaches will agree to work on a teacher’s salary? lol.

@@

June 22nd, 2010
1:06 pm

Matti:

we’ll be watching

and I’ll be playing, couch potato.

Not going shopping…I’m off to have my pool water tested. This morning? Four miles on the track, followed by thirty laps in a cloudy pool.

How wide is your A$$?

josef nix

June 22nd, 2010
1:08 pm

I find it interesting to listen to an almost unanimous pillory of the college athletics programs and all matter of disparaging remarks about the intellectual prowess of the athletes and, yet, try prying our couch potato, beer guzzling butts from in front of the screen as we cheer on some university we’ve never even been on the campus of against another of the same. Then there’s the professionals. Super Bowl Sunday is all but a national holiday. Just where do we think those players come from? We put the money there for a good reason. It’s big business and it draws attention.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it is the way the game is played so to speak. Po Dunk Hollow State is where we grow the pros and it costs money to do that.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:08 pm

@@, my school will give you an athletic scholarship. ;-)

Go DAWGS!!!!

June 22nd, 2010
1:09 pm

IF THEY DIDN’T SPEND THE MONEY, THESE ATHELETES WOULD NOT GET THE CHANCE TO COME TO COLLEGE.

GEORGIA SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY ON THESE ATHELETES SO THAT OUR STATE REMAINS ON TOP ATHELETCALLY AND SCHOLASTICALLY.

GO DAWGS!!!

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:10 pm

“There are some excellent student/athletes in women’s sports, and they deserve to have support just like the men’s teams enjoy.”

If there money to be made then yes…

larry

June 22nd, 2010
1:10 pm

Pay the athletes. These colleges make billions, yes billions from these students , but these students have to rely on Mom and Dad, to get money to buy a coke or get a cheeseburger from McDonalds.And most of these players’ parents , with some exceptions, come from working middle class families.

And for those of you who think women’s basketball is a waste of money, i invite you to Athens or Knoxville on a cold Feburary night. You will find either place will be packed.

GOOOOO Dawgs !!

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:11 pm

OGK, you are a Ferengi.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2010
1:13 pm

“Pay the athletes.”

They are. It’s called a free college education.

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
1:13 pm

AtAt,

Don’t be a hater. My behind is a perfect size four, and my stair climber is positioned in front of my ginormous football-viewing television. Just because I watch up to 12 hours of football on a Saturday does not mean I’m a lardazz. The veggie trays, hummus, and sliced fruit are on the table, and there’s booze and diet mixers on the bar. Help yourself and feel free to smoke on the back deck, but save your comments/questions for the commercials, please!

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:13 pm

And yes…Im part of the problem, thank you.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:15 pm

larry, I hear you. I was good enough to play basketball for a league champion in the Air Force. I have played pickup games against/with some very good female basketball players.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:16 pm

Peadawg, Bingo!

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:18 pm

Now Im not trying to disrespect women whatsoever. When it comes to cleaning the kids, making the beds, cooking the oatmeal, washing the potatos then yes…women excell over men.

theyeshaveit

June 22nd, 2010
1:19 pm

OGK, you sound like a good candidate for a scholarship to a lesbian bondage club.

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm

Im not a lesbian though…

Jefferson

June 22nd, 2010
1:22 pm

The sidewalk fans have the money, sell them the soap.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
1:26 pm

Po Dunk Hollow State is where we grow the pros and it costs money to do that.

But we don’t need PDHS. We can grow the pros in a minor football league, and from professional leagues in other countries where the sport is played. The money from ticket sales can be managed, and lost if that’s the way it’s going to go down, from private investment.

And if the pro game is somewhat less amazing as a result, um, so? This hurts us as a nation, how?

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:30 pm

“My behind is a perfect size four”…Thanks for that piece of info and beleive when I say its greatly appreciated, however, I now have vision of size 4’s, stairclimbers etc. I ve got to get some work done.

Steve

June 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

I don’t blame the coaches for pushing the kid. The coaches job is to prepare the student (player) to play to the best of his ability just as a class professor should.
In my mind, when the school extends an athletic scholarship to a student-athlete they have acknowledged they are bringing that student into their institution for a set of skills the person possesses. Just as with an academic scholarship, the institution wants the individual to focus their collegiate education toward that set of skills.
A professor of English would not care about a student lamenting about the amount of homework another professor (say Math) constantly gave out. His reply would probably be along the lines of, “I understand the math professor gives you a lot of homework; however, this is the material you are responsible for in my class.”
The student athlete, just like a typical college student must learn how to manage their schedule the best they can. It is not an easy task for a 17-19 year old to do. As someone indicated, some do so well, others do not.

NowReally

June 22nd, 2010
1:34 pm

The sad thing about this is that the money is not being used to educate the atheletes, but given to them for personal use; while they live on campus for free.

I was told last week that a young 19 year old athelete that I know has as much as $9,000 a month sent to his personal account from a university in the south. I’m leary about the amount, but anything close to $300 a month is too much. This young man gets personal tutors, free meals and housing from the university. Don’t get me wrong he’s always been an “A” students and is great in his sport. But, the university systems are truly losing their ability to think logically.

It’s sad because there are students who are just as deserving who can’t get academic scholarships, because the schools only care about sports.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

Now I’m not trying to disrespect men whatsoever. When it comes to date-rape, forcing people to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, propping up rigid gender-based social paradigms to keep male earning power, on average, much higher than that of female, and f@rt jokes, yes…men excel over women.

Fixed OGK’s typo.

Matti

June 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

stands for decibels @ 1:26,

Bless your heart. For millions of Americans (though admittedly not all), our obsession with college football sustains us through the tough times. Yes, we know it doesn’t really mean anything, but it’s our escape — something to look forward to, and a way to live in the moment for 12 or 13 Saturdays a year (plus a few Thursday night and holiday bowl games.) A way to stand firmly on the side of like-minded fans and watch young people full of the hope of that day — most of whom never go pro in sports, and whose lives become ordinary like ours all too quickly — live their shining moment in the sun. We are thrilled when they succeed, devastated when they don’t. Watching them give it their all for that moment is beautiful and inspiring.

That there was no football on 9-15-01 drove home the point that the world as we knew it had ended. The greatness of grief of the tragedy stopped it cold, leaving us in strange, heretofore unknown September Saturday silence to contemplate the future of the world. It would have been wrong to play that day. Conversely, no matter what else happens, as long as kick off happens on time, we know no matter how bad things might be, we’ll get through it. You don’t need a fiddle on a roof to have TRADITION!

Sam

June 22nd, 2010
1:42 pm

what else would they do with the money?

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
1:49 pm

I knew of a guy who came out of the Service in ‘70 and went to a small college on the old G.I. Bill. He tried out for the football team as a walk on and made it. The school wanted him to have a scholarship, but he refused, preferring the G.I. Bill. He was not ham strung by the rules of the scholarship. He had money and could live off campus. He had a hard time adapting to dorm life. He always let it be known that he was there for the education and that football was just a release.

The coaches were always on his tail about practice versus classes but he didn’t care. He was a good enough player to last three seasons before he dropped a coach on his backside and quit.

Bottom line, coaches will give all the lip service they have to for the education of the student player, but bottom line…his job depends on a winning season.

Normal

June 22nd, 2010
1:51 pm

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm
Im not a lesbian though…

I sure am! Trapped in a man’s body….

larry

June 22nd, 2010
1:53 pm

Bottom line, coaches will give all the lip service they have to for the education of the student player, but bottom line…his job depends on a winning season.

AGREED!!

larry

June 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

I was told last week that a young 19 year old athelete that I know has as much as $9,000 a month sent to his personal account from a university in the south. I’m leary about the amount, but anything close to $300 a month is too much.

That $9,000 was probably from a booster. You pay these athletes a supplement, say around $300 a month while they are in school on scholarship and you get rid of the boosters.

I just think it is wrong for a student athlete to call Mom and Dad up to wire them some money while we pay coaches 5 million a year and TV networks pay billions to the NCAA and their member instutions. $300 a month for personal items or to go out on a date would not be that much.

DebbieDoRight

June 22nd, 2010
2:03 pm

Stands For…: THANKS for that!! :)

NowReally

June 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

I just saw a headline that showed the Big Oil companies WIN AGAIN. I just hope that if a another oil spill occurrs they don’t expect any money from taxpayers. Let the BIG OIL Companies take care of the citizens and your state cleanup.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm

“I’m for the NFL and NBA financing their own minor leagues, as baseball does.

If we’re not going to do that, drop the student/athlete charade and pay the players. They seem to be the only ones not making big bucks from all this.

Like he said. Every word. Squared.”

Like he said. Every word. Squared too.

[sfd, if we got enough people, we could be like one of those pictures of a mirror, of a mirror, of a mirror, infinity.]

Scout

June 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm

Jay:

Well then, it’s time “Coach” Obama took over the NCAA !!!

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

As the parent of a college age kid (Dean’s List every semester soon to be junior)- and two others who are in HS, I see so often parents who rely solely on their child’s athletic ability in order to go to college. My oldest got enough academic scholarships so’s we don’t have to pay (except to house and feed the beast).

And the pressure on these kids is crazy. I see parents spending soooooo much money on camps and equipment and private lessons, and this and that, and I think – “damn, if y’all put that money in the bank, to save for books, you’ll be much better off!” The fact is that more and more schools are slashing their athletic scholarships — I wish thomas was here, he’d know more about that.

Anywho….

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm

Oh, and the judge blocked Obama’s moratorium….. wingnuts unite and celebrate!!! :-)

Outhouse GoKart

June 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

“wingnuts unite and celebrate!!!”

YEEEAAHHHH!!!!!

Recovering Jock

June 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

Peadawg, the education (and less than 50% actually graduate) is not free. These athletes spend far more time practicing, training, and traveling; than they do attending class or studying. Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of non-athletes who don’t graduate and don’t study (we’ve all seen Animal House), but they’re not generating hundreds of millions of dollars for a university or a conference. And as I said, ANY employee of a state university (and most employees of private universities) have access to a “free” education, as well as a salary and other benefits. The current model is indentured servitude at best and legal slavery at worst. As someone pointed out, it’s a minor league system for the NFL. I attended an ACC school on a football scholarship. Every day I saw other students working in the dining halls, ahtletic department ticket office, etc. as part of work study programs. I have worked for high tech firms in Atlanta that hire college students from GA Tech, UGA, Emory, etc., for which the student-engineers not only receive a paycheck, but college credit. My degree is in History, but I majored in football.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

An unidentified Sandy Springs woman was extricated from her house that was “chest deep in debris” Tuesday afternoon. It took four firefighters 40 minutes to reach the woman, who was trapped in the bedroom of her bungalow home on Kitty Hawk Drive, near Roswell Road, said Jeff Scarbrough, deputy fire chief. The four firefighters who rescued the woman are waiting to be decontaminated as a precautionary measure, said Scarbrough. The home, located in an otherwise tidy neighborhood off Long Island Drive, has been condemned. Another occupant of the home was told to leave. Authorities found the woman after responding to a 911 call at the house. The woman has been hospitalized for an unknown condition.

I think the woman suffered from a severe case of “the gross.”

OMG. I’m gonna save that for when the OB starts bitching about our house being untidy.

kimmer

June 22nd, 2010
2:34 pm

I see the SPENDING per athlete here but there is another side to the coin. What is the REVENUE per athlete. If the athletics program takes in as much or more than they spend then what is the big deal. You make it sound like that athletics are taking $84K per athlete that could be used for academics which is not true. The reality is that college athletics, at least the part of athletics that cost so much money, is not just about exercising the bodies of students. It is a major entertainment industry that benefits colleges and universities in many ways. To name a few it generates income, creates positive publicity, and provides a means to keep alumni connected to their alma materl. I will bet you that many of the gifts given to academic programs by alumni is influenced by their connection through sports.

interested observer

June 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm

Athletic departments spend more money because they HAVE more money. It comes from fans willing to pay the ticket prices required to see the Dogs or Yellow Jackets play, from boosters a lot more interested in athletics that academics and from TV and radio revenue made possible by people a lot more interested in football and basketball than in academics.

The problem isn’t the athletic departments so much as the fans who make it possible. We’re the ones whose priorities are out of order.

How about a system designating a certain percentage of Athletic Department revenue be turned over to the university and requiring the athletic systems to operate in the black?

Boss Dawg

June 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm

I haven’t read all the comments, so I’ll go ahead and ask, and hopefully not repeating. Does this study consider state and federal funding only or does it include money donated by alumni groups, and money raised from ticket sales and concessions?

Now Hear this

June 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm

Yea – And you have students who want to get into UGA with SAT scores of 1400 and 3.8 GPAs who can’t get in – but it you have some dumba** “athlete” that just because he can run or catch or block or tackle who BARELY makes a 700 on the SAT and just enough GPA (with help from multiple tutors and fudging of the numbers) gets a FREE ride. That is BS – and it is time somebody called them on it. To not allow a person who worked their tale off during their school years to make that 3.8 is being dishonored by UGA for letting the dumba** players in who likely can’t even spell University – much less Georgia, and their only qualified real life work (outside of sports) is garbage man.

SOOHSO

June 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

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joe

June 22nd, 2010
3:11 pm

Makes sense…SEC has best football, therefore, spending the most.

former UGA walk-on athlete (non-scholarship)

June 22nd, 2010
3:25 pm

I believe that some people on this forum have the perception that scholarship monies given to athletes is taxpayer funded. It is not. And in regards to some athletes being admitted over more qualified candidates, this does not happen as often as one might think. Each school is given a limited number of “exceptions” for all sports. The athletic association at the University of Georgia has given millions of dollars over the years to the general fund of the University. This much needed money has served the needs of countless students.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

June 22nd, 2010
3:30 pm

SLOW news day, Jay….Leave these types of stories to the sports desk (if they even want them). A BIG WHO CARES? BTW, What was NObama’s golf score today? – I bet he fudges, too. Mulligan anyone?

williebkind

June 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

let me see! if I get a chemistry degree I could make may 3 to 4 million dollars during my lifetime. If I get a contract with the NFL,MLB,NBA, and Soccer, I can make up to 20million a year. Wow that is a tough choice. Hmmm I might can play only one year. 5million maybe plus signing bonus or lifetime mixing chemicals. I cant decide which is more important unless I am a progressive liberal or progressive liberal educator.

Fred

June 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

I think i missed something here. Who pays for the athletics? Does the taxpayer? If so, then who in the hell gets all the money from the TV networks for broadcasting the games? Who gets the cash for the merchandise?

Oh wait, the money generated by the athletes goes back to the school doesn’t it?

As long as the athletes who are being pimped by the Universities to generate cash are earning more than they are costing, what is the problem? Why is Massa (Adams) complaining about the slaves (the athletes) if they are providing cash for all Massa’s wants?

Pope UGA XXIII

June 22nd, 2010
4:02 pm

Oh lawzy me !!
The AJC has let the cat out of the bag now. I’m sure that our fine
federally elcted officials will need to hold hearings about how this
money needs to be redistributed (under their personal guidance &
supervision, of course )
On the other hand, the thought of an all-SEC linebacker knocking
Henry Waxman and Barney Frank into the middle of next week
might make it worthwhile !!!

BehindEnemyLines

June 22nd, 2010
4:05 pm

Newsflash for Adams: lower the profile of the football program & see what real cutbacks in funding look like. For better or for worse, the majority of taxpayers in this state (and numerous others) only interest in UGA/state mega-schools is the football program, remove that or diminish it in any way & see how much support you have left.

Captain

June 22nd, 2010
4:09 pm

I never quite understand these type arguments. No monies from the General Fund at The Univ of Ga are used for athletics, however the Athletic Assoc donates monies to the Univ’s Gen Fund. Why complain? The Athletic Dept operates and manages its monies on its own without Taxpayer subsidy. They do this IN SPITE OF TITLE IX Federal mandates, which the same Federal Govt does not fund. If you are looking to find fault, then you must fault the TV networks which sign contracts worth billions to broadcast games, apparel companies which pay millions for the right to outfit and furnish players and coaches wiht their equipment, yes, they PAY The Univ of Georgia millions to wear the Nike Swoosh on football uniforms, basketball, baseball, coaches caps and shirts, shoes, and even Golf Equipment such as clubs, bags, balls, shoes. So long as the Ath Dept isn’t taking money from the Univ Gen Fund, there is no reason to complain, is there? If so, direct your complaint at society.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2010
4:13 pm

Remember college is there for you to spend large amounts of money to obtain a degree so you can earn a good paycheck–it is not intended for people to achieve. Well, the achievers are few and the rest are simply ideologues. Remember if you want to become a journalist these days you must not take those classes that teach you to report the news but those classes that teach to shape the news–AJC will scoop you up unless they go bankrupt.

williebkind

June 22nd, 2010
4:15 pm

I will watch football and baseball and you can smoke marijuana–ok?

Chris g

June 22nd, 2010
4:22 pm

Recovering Jock

The sum of money received from gov’t work study programs is a paltry sum and is not sufficient to pay tuition as well as room and board at any major university. By comparison, student-athletes that receive scholarships for football, basketball, baseball, etc. receive full tuition, room and board, in addition to logo clothing from the athletic department. They also receive tutoring when and where they need it–tutors will come to the athletic complex and help them. Students that receive other types of scholarships have to schedule a tutor at their own convenience between 9am and 5pm. Unless you are willing to hire a fee-for-service tutor, they will not come to you and help you at 10pm on the night before your test, like the tutors for student-athletes.

It does suck that Universities make so much money off of these kids, but don’t act like receiving a 40-50 thousand dollar education in addition to the opportunity to play sports at the collegiate level is indentured servitude. It’s not even close.

The government will save me right?

June 22nd, 2010
4:30 pm

Bookman- where is the revenue side of this? I guess you missed the articles the AJC ran last month talking about the money the athletic program gave to the school and improvements to non-athletic facilities funded by athletic money.

Not every school generates more than it spends and if that’s the case then by all means they should cut back. In the case of most SEC schools, however, they spend lots on athletics and make lots on it as well…many, like UGA, spend athletic money on academic purposes.

For those posts that complain about the money these schools make off of the students- the system is voluntary and those with the right skillset in their respective sport go on to make millions in professional sports- its not as if the students are forced. Even if they don’t go on many get a scholarship to play…a lot better than on-campus jobs pay. If you can name a way to pay players that doesn’t get out of hand I’m all ears…

Bookman…leave the sports to Schultz…

Patriotic American

June 22nd, 2010
4:36 pm

NO MORE RULES! Keep America free!!!! Leave the schools and their sports alone! All you liberal left winged weenies just want to control everything and destroy liberty & freedom!

Dawghater

June 22nd, 2010
4:46 pm

Fine, spend all you want, but nothing will revive this tanked football program which has won only 1 national championship in 117 years. Also, no surprises that the SEC spends more money than any other conference on sports (i.e. football),

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
4:46 pm

Government, here’s the revenue side of this:

“According to a USA Today analysis, just seven athletics programs generated
enough revenue to finish in the black in each of the past five years.”

Seven programs nationwide. How many of those do you think were in the SEC?

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
4:49 pm

Here’s what that USA Today study found:

“The nation’s highest-profile college athletic programs drew a greater percentage of their revenue from student fees and their schools’ general funds in 2009 than they had in any of the previous four years, a USA TODAY analysis of new college sports finance data finds.

More than half of athletic departments at public schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision were subsidized by at least 26% last year, up from 20% in 2005. That’s a jump of $198 million when adjusting for inflation and includes money from student fees, university support and state subsidies.

The increased support for athletics comes as student groups and other critics assail the rising cost of college, which has climbed precipitously in the last decade. During the recession, many states have scaled back their appropriations for higher education, and endowments have taken a beating at even the largest of institutions.”

Georgia was one of those seven programs that made money in five consecutive years. The others were Iowa, Louisiana State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas. According to USA Today, just 14 programs made enough money to cover their athletic expenditures last year.

lovelyliz

June 22nd, 2010
4:50 pm

NCAA’s
report on revenues and expenses
fewer than 25 percent of all Football Bowl Subdivision schools made money in 2007-08, while the remaining 302 schools competing in Division I struggled to break even.”

lovelyliz

June 22nd, 2010
4:52 pm

Yes these teams bring in big $$$$, but when it costs even bigger $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to run and support them, the bottom line doesn’t justify the unfettered spending

Recovering Jock

June 22nd, 2010
5:15 pm

Chris g, As I mentioned, I attended college on an athletic scholarship and I graduated in 4 years. Have you ever attended a major college “study hall” or “tutoring session”? Most of the “student-athletes” plug in the iPod (in my day it was Walkman) and sleep or read the current issue of Sports Illustrated. These programs are PR a best. I don’t care about the paltry nature of work study programs. My point is, OTHER students are recognized as employees of the universities and compensated, and still other employees in non-athlete positions can receive a “free” education as part of their benefits package. As I said, look at the graduation rates. If kids aren’t graduating, they’re not receiving a “free education”. They’ve simply received free room and board and free healthcare for 4 or 5 years – AND, in any other line of work, such compensation would be listed as “income” on annual tax returns. I’m still a fan of college football, but let’s all be grown-ups and call it what it is, minor league football.

Recovering Jock

June 22nd, 2010
5:18 pm

Chris g, I almost forget, you are correct, they get free “logo” clothing, which the have to wear because their coach or the AD signed an endorsement agreement with Nike, Reebok, Under Armour or Adidas. The athletes cannot even wear shoes, or sweatbands, or tee-shirts of their chosing. They have to also serve as billboards for corporate America.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 22nd, 2010
5:21 pm

GO GATORS !!!!!

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 22nd, 2010
5:24 pm

Jay — Are you still mad because our team didn’t pick you for dodgeball at recess?

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 22nd, 2010
5:29 pm

Jay — Penn State. A big football school. Did you root for em’?

Jay

June 22nd, 2010
5:37 pm

I did and I do, BHO.

I remember — when was it, 1982? — when we won the national championship by whupping one of those southern schools in the ‘83 Sugar Bowl.

Which school was that again?

LaShondra

June 22nd, 2010
5:39 pm

Now that is one stupid chart. Who cares?

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June 23rd, 2010
4:04 am

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Norman

June 23rd, 2010
5:49 am

My only question is: ‘are taxpayer dollars’ paying for the athletics?’. Despite multiple moves I still have two colleges trying to get me to pitch in to supplement athletics. When the University of Maryland calls I just say Len Bias and hang up.

ken

June 23rd, 2010
7:23 am

High school pep rallies and a trophy case for dead head jocks and no recognition for the straight A club.

Ronin

June 23rd, 2010
7:29 am

Hmm… the athletics department is just a separate business that is run at the school. It brings in money from alumni. As per Jay, only five programs would be in the black?

Get rid of college athletics completely, who cares. Do the same for high school athletics in Georgia.
The kids are there to get an academic education and as Georgia test scores hover around the bottom of that list,there is no place to go but up.

ken

June 23rd, 2010
7:45 am

Enter your comments here

Terp2

June 23rd, 2010
8:11 am

Norman, I am also of U of MD grad – I knew Len Bias. saw him two days before he died. When the Terrapin Club calls me I tell them to ask Gary Williams or Ralph Friedgen both earning well in excess of $1 million as head coaches of Basketball and Football. While any athletic department with half a brain is now financially independent from the State U, most programs were seeded with taxpayer funds way back in the day. In addition, if the athletic dorms, football stadium, basketball arena, teamhouse, etc. are on campus (state property), these financial enterprises are living rent free. Also, a couple years ago there was a court case (maybe even to the SCOTUS) about donors claiming tax deductions form making contributions to booster clubs (like Clemson’s IPTAY, or the Terrapin Club). So, by virtue of the fact that people like T. Boone Pickens (Oklahoma State) are reducing their tax liability (not paying taxes) by supporting $100 million a year, for profit enterprises, is in essence “taxpayer funded”. Feeding at the torugh of intercollegiate athletics is can get it.