Barton’s first apology was the sincere, honest one

After U.S. Rep. Joe Barton’s craven apology to BP last week, House Republican leadership let it be known that it had threatened to strip Barton of his post as ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

But there’s a real problem with that approach.

Barton’s apology to BP was not a slip of the tongue; the controversy that resulted is not a media-driven tempest in a teapot, like the mini-scandal about Tony Hayward going to a yacht race or the phrase “small people” escaping from the lips of the BP chairman. Nor was Barton’s sentiment that of some rogue congressman.

No, the problem with Barton’s statement is that it honestly expresses core GOP values.

Just the day before his apology, the 115-member Republican Study Committee, led by U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Georgia, issued a statement of its own accusing President Obama of “Chicago-style shakedown politics.” Stuart Varney of Fox Business News said Obama’s action “is Hugo Chavez-like, is it not? To seize a private company’s assets.” Rand Paul has attacked Obama’s criticism of BP as “unAmerican.”

Rush Limbaugh said the U.S. government “may as well be a branch of organized crime the way that it is being conducted and the way it’s doing business, and the way it’s looking out for itself and no one else. … Organized crime. It’s the closest thing I can think to analogize what’s happening here.”

Bill Kristol, on Fox over the weekend, acknowledged BP’s responsibility for the Gulf crisis. “I have no sympathy for BP,” he said. “We have an article in the Weekly Standard this week saying that BP should stand for ‘Beyond Pathetic.’ I think it was the least responsible of the Big Oil companies. It has managed to handle itself pretty poorly even since the disaster let alone before. But it’s not healthy for the country, for the economy as a whole, for the president to bully different companies and different industries and I think it’s not helping us.”

I just find it all amazing. For example, Kristol’s assessment of BP’s performance both pre- and post-disaster is pretty accurate. But if he honestly believes what he says, what would he have Obama do? Allow BP to continue to slow-walk the claims process? Force the shrimpers and motel owners and waitresses and rig workers to hire lawyers to take BP to court and hope that they might get some dribble of compensation a few years from now, after they’ve defaulted on their boat loans or lost their businesses?

“Do not underestimate the emotionalism and the frustration and the anger of people in the Gulf uncertain of their financial future,” Kenneth Feinberg, the man appointed to handle the escrow account, said in interviews this morning. “It’s very pronounced. I witnessed it firsthand last week.”

To be fair, at least a few Republicans get it, especially those close to the Gulf.

“I couldn’t disagree with Joe Barton more. BP doesn’t need an apology, they need to apologize to us,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said over the weekend. U.S. Rep. Jo Bonner of Alabama and Jeff Miller of Florida, both Republicans representing coastal districts, also strongly condemned Barton’s statement.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama called Barton’s statement “dumb.”

“I would invite Congressman Barton, if he hasn’t been to the Gulf, and also Congressman Paul or his son, to come down here and see what’s happened,” Shelby said. “We don’t owe BP an apology — they owe the people of the Gulf an apology. And they are solely responsible.”

Shelby went on to claim that Barton’s position is “not mainstream Republican thought.” But I’m sorry, he’s just wrong about that.

Shelby and a few others in his party are smart enough to recognize the political danger in Barton’s statement. Certainly, those Republicans whose districts are directly affected by the spill have been hearing the anguish of their constituents and know that the facts on the groundhave to trump ideology.

But the evidence is strong that overall, Barton’s sentiment permeates the conservative movement, from pundits to politicians. That deference to corporate power is the default position. Even in a catastrophe, this is where their first loyalty lies. The instinct that in this case has driven conservatives to defend BP is the same instinct that has driven Shelby and others to defend Wall Street and the banks in the economic collapse.

In fact, the parallels between the Gulf tragedy and Wall Street’s meltdown are manifold. The conditions that created one disaster created the other as well. In both cases, government regulators were declawed and seduced, greed-driven executives were freed to take big risks, industry hubris created a false sense of confidence and a disaster that we were assured could never happen did indeed happen.

The main difference is that of clarity. Few Americans understand the complexities of high finance; it’s hard to know for sure who is at fault, exactly how it happened and how it should be fixed. But we all understand a pipe that is leaking 60,000, maybe even 100,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf of Mexico. We understand where the vast majority of the responsibility lies, so when Barton, Gingrich, Price and others try to tell us otherwise, we understand them a lot better as well.

We recognize when the mask slips.

375 comments Add your comment

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2010
9:21 am

Jay, it’s about time you dragged your a** in here. Good to see ol’ Newt des grossen kopf out speaking again. Pull his string–guess what he’s going to say.

Meanwhile:

Showdown in the Red Sea: U.S. Sends 11 Warships to Confront Iran

Another Gulf of Tonkin in the making?

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
9:24 am

Mitch “turtle” CcConnel must be a commie!

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
9:25 am

the North Korean players may not want to go home after this morning’s beatdown

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:28 am

Newt Gingrich is clawing at ANYthing to become relevent again.

as for the true opinion of Barton’s apology? you saw it in here all last week – “shakedown / Chicago thugishness, etc” – the fact is, it doesn’t really matter WHAT BP did or didn’t do – what DOES is how Obama responds to these guys. And that’s ALL that matters.

Kamchak

June 21st, 2010
9:29 am

People bitch when Obama does something. The same people bitch when Obama does nothing.

Some people are just bitches.

NRB2

June 21st, 2010
9:30 am

“government may as well be a branch of organized crime the way that it is being conducted and the way it’s doing business, and the way it’s looking out for itself and no one else. … Organized crime. It’s the closest thing I can think to analogize what’s happening here.”
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Actually, Rush nailed it.

The mouth-breathers in washingtoon are using this disaster as a way to give themselves even more power, more control, and of course: more money.

It’s been two months, and Oblamer hasn’t dispatched any of our resources to contain the spill. In fact, he ordered the coast guard to stop local cleanup ships. Why? If any cleanup does take place, HE wants to take credit for it. Afterall, 2012 will be here before we know it.

WIth that said, the typical liberal blathering of government good/business evil is truly tiresome.

Jay, when you dad was visiting, did he smack you around a little bit out of frustration that you never grew out of your college hippie phase?

DEEP THROAT

June 21st, 2010
9:31 am

I find so much hipocracy in our govmt, and this blog, its ok for the govmt to delay paying the home owner that lost their homes in the floods around Atlanta last fall. Oblunder do as I say not as I do. What a joke, I can not believe so many were so enamered by this bafoon to elect him for even dog catcher.

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
9:31 am

Yeah, Jay, most sane people realize all that, but those Gulf States are also as red as they come, so do you think they will connect the dots? I don’t think so.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2010
9:31 am

So, when will the “You Lie” commentary from the right wing nuts commence.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:32 am

“It’s been two months, and Oblamer hasn’t dispatched any of our resources to contain the spill. In fact, he ordered the coast guard to stop local cleanup ship”

:lol:

yay! early in the thread, but this is comedy gold …

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2010
9:32 am

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
9:33 am

Someone posted O’Reilly giving that lunatic Baumann or whatever her name is the run around for using their loaded language memes. I almost fell off the couch when I watched that.

Outhouse GoKart

June 21st, 2010
9:33 am

Obama has been declawed.

Sarah fan!

June 21st, 2010
9:34 am

Drill, baby, drill!!!

We need to use American oil to make us strong and lower the price of real American’s necessities like gas.

NRB2

June 21st, 2010
9:34 am

I’d also like to point out that this spill is effecting white people more than anyone else, which is why Obama isn’t doing anything about it.

Barack Obama hates white people.

Road Scholar

June 21st, 2010
9:34 am

NRB2: Now try to stay focused and concentrate…very hard … on today’s topic. You can insult Liberals and others later; I know you can!

None of the conservatives have a clue that mediation and arbitration can be LEGAL tools to address a problem. They came to an agreement, even if Biden said they had no choice.

As for Newt’s disdain of selecting $20B, they had to start somewhere, and free gas coupons weren’t going to cut it. I agree that $20B may not be the final total, but Newt, where would you start? And while you wallow in the courts, can all that are damaged (lost jobs, income, etc.)come stay at your and other conserves homes so that they can at least eat, sleep, etc? They don’t have millions of savings and campaign donations in the bank like you do!

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2010
9:36 am

NRB2: your pharmacy called–your meds are ready

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
9:36 am

Actually, Rush nailed it.

A case of twinkies?

NRB2

June 21st, 2010
9:36 am

We need to use American oil to make us strong and lower the price of real American’s necessities like gas.
————————————————————————
Also tires, anything made of plastic,roofing shingles,etc. etc.

Oil is used to make thousands of products.

Want to quit oil production?

You worthless libs will be the first ones to squeel like a stuck pig when the cost of living rockets upward, adversely effecting the pitiful “poor” people they claim to be looking out for.

Go ahead. Cede all power to the child molestors in Washington. But like the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for…

Road Scholar

June 21st, 2010
9:38 am

Deep Throat: With any legislation passed there is a “sister” appropriation bill that includes the actual money. Thank your repub friends for scuttling any spending attempts warranted like the buyouts.

AmVet

June 21st, 2010
9:38 am

These slimy, sophomoric Republicans in Washington and their proudly ignorant, ethically-challenged cheerleaders are barely newsworthy. From many quarters of that hemorrhaging party, it s almost a daily occurrence where one of these loutish buffoons says something disgusting to advocate *against* we the people. And to promote their repudiated “Party First, America Second” ideology.

The fundamental question is, are people like the repulsive Michelle Bachmann truly representative of the GOParty of No?

I think there is little rational (though that never stops the conned) argument otherwise.

And thank you, Jay for including that quote from Tom Price.

I both emailed and called Tom Price’s local office and left a message with a young man there that using the term shakedown was reprehensible for an educated man and that should do this district an enormous favor and resign immediately.

Waterboard all of them…

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
9:39 am

USinUK,

So……Obama hasn’t issued any resources to be dispatched in two months, but yet all at the same time called off the ones that were there to stop working? The mind of the lunatic is just beyond me.

Apology to Joe Barton / Sum Notes

June 21st, 2010
9:39 am

[...] Apologizing to Joe Barton for the American populist polity’s vilification of his apology to BP is not a popular position. But the simple fact remains – however you choose to parse this issue – is not only do we owe BP an apology – but ourselves as well. [...]

Outhouse GoKart

June 21st, 2010
9:39 am

Its fun watching Obama stumble and fumble around. Lame Duck session begins Nov 2010.

PS…interesting the Rahm E is looking to leave the Obi-Admin within the next 6 to 8 months.

Lord Help Us

June 21st, 2010
9:40 am

‘Cede all power to the child molestors in Washington’

Wasn’t Mark Foley a Republican…

Kamchak

June 21st, 2010
9:40 am

Actually, Rush nailed it.

El Rushbo couldn’t fasten two 2×4’s with a pneumatic nail gun.

Mick

June 21st, 2010
9:41 am

Nrb2

Bookman nailed it. All you republican shills are corporate apologists. Both parties have issues, but it has never been more clearer that the republican party puts corporate interests before the people. You all will not be happy until we all become serfs. Why would any working man in their right mind want to see republicans take control after what they left us the last time?

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2010
9:42 am

NRB2: OK, I get it! Conservatives good, liberals bad. Don’t forget we have had conservatives in the White House for 20 of the last 28 years. (Clinton being conservative lite.) With conservatives in control all of those years, how on Earth did we ever get into this shape? I’ll tell you how: neoliberal capitalism, globalization, deindustrialisation, and financialization. In fact it took the period since Ronald Reagan was elected until the end of George W. Bush’s second term to ruin this country. What Obama inherited was an unholy mess not of his making. Yet, the right howls when he tries to do anything to “fix” the mess.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2010
9:42 am

be careful when drawing your distinctions jay… the wingnuts here only read what they wish to read into your words. By attempting to draw a parallel between the wall street meltdown and the BP spill, you have now given them what they needed to establish that the spill is and always was Barney Frank’s fault…

Haywood Jablome

June 21st, 2010
9:42 am

I also hate police. And I love to fail and steal. Those are my other core values.

And did I forget to mention that I love oil and oily products? But only if they are really cheap and made with American oil. We don’t need that foreign oil.

Foreign oil is bad, mmm-kay.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:43 am

frankly, considering the Valdez jury awarded 2.5 billion which the Supremes cut by 75% to 500 million – I’m GLAD the president got the ball rolling with a 20billion fund … with provisions for it to increase later

if we waited for this to go to the courts, god only knows how badly the Roberts cabal would have eviscerated it.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2010
9:44 am

NRB squeals:
“Cede all power to the child molestors in Washington. ”

Or… we could cede power to the conservative child molestors on this blog (like nrb)…

NRB2

June 21st, 2010
9:44 am

Why would any working man in their right mind want to see republicans take control after what they left us the last time?
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Why would you want government to leave you anything, when YOU’RE responsible for your lot in life.

Want more money? Work for it. Do what it takes. Stop insisting that government use their guns to steal from others to give to you.

By the way, what have the Democrats ever given you?

Has Obama been bailing out “the working man”, or corporations and banks?

Sucker.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:44 am

Soothsayer – 9:42 – haven’t you heard? everything was just fine and dandy until the Dems took over congress in 2007 … :roll:

Normal

June 21st, 2010
9:45 am

NRB2 is really on a roll…I’ve laughed so hard I had to go change my Depends…

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:46 am

“Has Obama been bailing out “the working man”, or corporations and banks?”

whatever you do … don’t tell NRB that it was the Bush administration that passed the bank bailout bill in 2008 … his head might a’splode.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2010
9:47 am

“Actually, Rush nailed it.”

Speaking of child molestors…

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
9:47 am

Normal – just take the laptop into the bathroom … you may be there for a while …

me, I’m just glad I’m not in the office today – my coworkers would wonder why my eyes have rolled out of my head and across the floor …

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2010
9:47 am

Like Jay said.

I’d seen a piece about Barton’s boner elsewhere and was having a similarly reflective moment about these relentlessly pro- (monstrously large) business core values.

Not that I doubt the sincerity of those on the GOP side like the senator from Alabama who are capable of identifying bad actors in dramas like this. I’m sure that Shelby means what he says, and I’m sure he wishes that the apology doesn’t represent “mainstream” GOP values.

But it does. And I can see why most elected Republicans will fall into line and continue to hammer away at Obama with their cute little “Chicago Shakedown” talking point; they’ve a very long tradition of it and there’s no reason to think this disaster will change it anytime soon.

Yeah, right

June 21st, 2010
9:48 am

And what bills did Barton and his cronies sponsor to get immediate relief to those affected?

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2010
9:48 am

“By the way, what have the Democrats ever given you?”

Nothing. But nothing is still better than the flaming bag of poo the Republicans have given us all…

Dusty

June 21st, 2010
9:49 am

I thought Bookman had beat this subject to death already. But I will assert as I did before, Barton was appalled at the conduct of the USA Congress. What he saw was supposed statesmen acting like thugs guarding their territory. Rude, crude and disgraceful.

Of course, Bookman is also acting as though BP is playing tiddly winks while others suffer. Rubbish!

If you want to ask what more Obama could do, what more could BP do? They have knocked themselves out as far as I can see. If they are reviewing financial claims carefully, that is standard business practice. They did not want this disaster any more than those from the coast. What business aims to go broke? None of them.

Of course the Gulf citizens are upset. Their life, business and environment has been disrupted. But going berserk over it does not help in any way. Accusations may make one feel better for awhile, but it is ineffectual in sensible discussions.

Truth and sensibilities are still the most rewarding way to go. I hope these people realize that. Politicians too. And last and almost least, I hope Bookman will remember truth and sensibilities in his stirring liberal Repub-bash manifestoes.

Outhouse GoKart

June 21st, 2010
9:49 am

When will Sean Penn be visiting the Gulf and offering his assistance? What a lame-ass…had he arrived weeks ago this mess wouldve been cleaned up by now.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2010
9:51 am

NRB2: OK, I get it! You either have a well-paying job or you make decent money in your own business. One way or the other you deeply resent paying taxes. Like all true conservatives you envision the “bogeyman” out their just waiting to receive your hard-earned money. And, like all true conservatives, you have not qualms about nearly a $1 trillion being given to the military intelligence cartel each year. Even though things like welfare, Section 8 housing allowances, etc. account for a very small part of the Federal budget. No, rather than direct your anger at the real cause of your high taxes, look for the red herring to blame.

@@

June 21st, 2010
9:53 am

Don’t know what someone here posted re O’Reilly and Bachmann, but I saw the exchange on O’Reilly’s “Factor”. O’Reilly, in the end, agreed with Bachmann…”if Obama bags the criminal investigation of BP and MMS, then it does amount to a shakedown.

Will he (Obama)? It remains to be seen.

Outhouse GoKart

June 21st, 2010
9:53 am

“Barton was appalled at the conduct of the USA Congress. What he saw was supposed statesmen acting like thugs guarding their territory. Rude, crude and disgraceful.”

HERE HERE…all these DC jackasses only worried about looking pretty for the camera and being perceived as tough so when its voting time they can stand pretty thumping their chests and farting. They only care about getting re-elected and using BP as their whipping boy.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2010
9:53 am

When in the history of our Republic has it been legal for an American President to have the right to be judge, jury and administrator of the shakedown of a corporation? Where does it say, in any document, that this sort of behavior is within the legal limits of the leader of our Republic? You might say that “it is the right thing for BP to do” but within the framework of our government, is it legal?

Normal

June 21st, 2010
9:55 am

USinUK,
I posted this last evening as a little snarkiness, but maybe NRB2 will settle down if he/she plays it…

Normal

June 20th, 2010
7:47 pm

Imagine if you will, There’s President Obama on a stage. He is naked from the waist up wearing tight black leather pants and combat boots. He has an guitar in his hands…the strap is a bandoleer of 7.62 bullets.He cues his teleprompter. There is a signpost up ahead…you have just entered… the Socialist Zone… and he starts singing…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiF8uSulVc0&feature=related

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQZH-9AC9s&feature=related

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June 21st, 2010
9:55 am

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Richard Millhouse Nixon

June 21st, 2010
9:56 am

The American People need to know if their President is a crook. Well, Obama is a crook.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 21st, 2010
9:56 am

Well, Bookman got me real mad. Calling us good Republican Conservatives corporate shills. We ain’t corporate shills. We just like corporations so much we speak up for them. If it wasn’t for a corporation I wouldn’t have the best beer truck driving job in the country. And I don’t want the guvmint to get in the way of a corporation making lots of profit. Or making a corporation pay for a teeny weeny mistake. It’s profits that make the jobs, you know. And anybody can make a mistake. Even one that fills the Gulf of Mexico with oil.

Anyhow, I can’t hardly wait till next January when a Republican Congress takes over and we start getting rid of all these regulations and put the tree-huggers in their place. You’ll see our teeth then. Now we got to wait and put on the kind front so the people that can’t make up their mind will vote for us. You can bet on one thing: if we get Congress we won’t let no filibuster stand in the way of us getting what we want.

Have a good day everybody.

Haywood Jablome

June 21st, 2010
9:57 am

YOU’RE RIGHT, DUSTY!!!

The hard working corporate citizens have been working their tail off to fix an accident. And accidents happen in dangerous industries.

The oil industry is one of the most heavily regulated industry there is!!! If the government was doing their job, the accident might have not occurred. BP and the free market can not take all of the blame. It’s Obama’s fault.

TDone

June 21st, 2010
10:00 am

Barton was spot on!!!

AmVet

June 21st, 2010
10:01 am

Could Hannity POSSIBLY be a more craven and obsequious suck up? Why hasn’t he been waterboarded for the children yet.

And Newt? What a complete embarrassment: “The administration stole money…to give that money to their union allies.

In the Republican Purity Pledge does it state that is mandatory to talk in childish soundbites rather than use accurate, cogent language?

Vinny

June 21st, 2010
10:01 am

Obama and his administration are nothing but a bunch of thugs in suits. Barton was only pointing out that obvious fact.
This administration cares NOTHING about the rule of law! They just want power over corporations and citizens. Obama isn’t a leader, he’s a dictator!

Big Bad Mama

June 21st, 2010
10:02 am

Thanks, Jay. I enjoyed reading this article. I’ll be sure to check out more of your blogs.

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:03 am

You libs realize what is going on, right? The Republicans have been doing stupid and looking stupid lately so all the conservative voters are going batsh$t because their entire daily existence revolves around what happens in November.

Where is the Republican leadership?

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:05 am

AmVet, i want a bumper sticker that reads:

“Waterboard Hannity”

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
10:08 am

I think the GOPers are so cute, they are like middle school kids, they learn a new word (shakedown), or a new phrase (Chicago-style thug politics) and it becomes all the rage and trendy.

Mick

June 21st, 2010
10:08 am

nrb22

You cannot debate the facts, you let your hate and emotions rule. Keep the focus on the fact that BP the corporation, is responsible for drilling, safety, and cleanup. Which also includes the environmental damage caused and loss of income for all affected by their accident. Twenty billion is just the down payment to make the area and the people have just compensation.

getalife

June 21st, 2010
10:09 am

It was a coordinated gobp attack.

They have no agenda to run on except for the usual hate of others and wanting the taxpayers to pay to clean up bp’s disaster.

Our cons here will vote for them no matter what.

Sad but true.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:09 am

somewhat – but not really – off-subject …

all the right-wing apoplexy / poutrage about the “shakedown” … you know, I don’t remember hearing a flippin’ PEEP out of these same numpties when it came to the K Street Project, which, frankly, was FAR more insidious. BP actually did something wrong that has caused grievous damage to the environment as well as people’s livelihoods. All the lobbying groups had done was hire a few democrats.

Del

June 21st, 2010
10:09 am

First of all Gingrich certainly didn’t sound like he was defending BP. He made the point that the amount BP should pay could far and away exceed the 20 billion that Obama’s trying to hang his hat on. The far left lemmings are desperately trying to paint conservatives as pro BP, so It’s all about politics. Obama may have shot himself in the foot trying to appear tough on BP by creating an image that he forced BP into something that was actually pre-arranged prior to that W.H. meeting with BP executives. The administration tried to overplay their hand, however, because White House council Robert Baur, evidently tried to force BP into assuming financial liability for oil rig workers affected by Obama’s moratorium on deep water drilling. BP wouldn’t agree because they know that the administration doesn’t have any legal footing to force them to pay. BP did, however, offer 100 million in addition as a good will gesture but that hardly covers the 330 million that idled deep water oil rig workers are now losing monthly, which doesn’t include the lost jobs supporting industries of deep water drilling have lost. The Wall street Journal had an interesting article on this subject.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:10 am

Bosch – 10:08 – fo’ shizzle.

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
10:11 am

getalife,

“Our cons here will vote for them no matter what.”

Our cons here will too. They can’t connect the dots and rationalize their party’s actions to the absurd degree.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:11 am

ohfercryingoutloud … something gets discussed at a conference and you people act like it’s actually being demonstrated in Mrs. Wormwood’s classroom.

get an effing grip.

Dusty

June 21st, 2010
10:12 am

NOOOO Haywood Jablome,

It is not Obama’s fault. I do not expect the president of the USA to be pouring over oil rig regulations. I would assume, as he would, that others are asigned to take care of that. It is voluminous tedious work.

I think Obama is trying to run the country the way he wants it run. I do not agree that his ideas are the best. But to blame all predictable but seldom disasters on Obama is beyond reason. Just as it was for Bush.

What happened in the Gulf is only what happens when a dangerous innovative process is put into action. What happened is part of the risk taken in such a venture. The government approved the venture. BP took the chance of doing it to make their company more productive. It is dual responsibility if you want to make disasters personal..

josef nix

June 21st, 2010
10:12 am

All of them making hay out of this disaster, BP, Obama, the GOP, the Dems, the liberals, the conservatives, the pundits, are sailing on the same ship of fools. Not a one of them has the vaguest notion of what’s going on or what to do about it.

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:13 am

NRB writes: Want more money? Work for it. Do what it takes. Stop insisting that government use their guns to steal from others to give to you.

What a hypocrit. You want people to take personal responsibility but companies shouldn’t have to be responsible? You want people to clean up their own messes but not a company? I see, you want TAXPAYERS to pay for the irresponsible corporations.

Normal

June 21st, 2010
10:14 am

You put your fist in the gel,
you take your fist out.
you put down your pants,
and you rub it all about…YIPPIE!!!

getalife

June 21st, 2010
10:14 am

The gobp could tell the cons they are going to nuke our country and the cons would still vote for them.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2010
10:14 am

ohfercryingoutloud … something gets discussed at a conference OVER TEN YEARS AGO and you people act like it’s actually being demonstrated in Mrs. Wormwood’s classroom.

fondled yonder tomale

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
10:15 am

josef,

“Not a one of them has the vaguest notion of what’s going on or what to do about it.”

I think it’s more like they do know what’s going on, but can’t do anything about it — and in the meantime, people would rather make this about politics and blame.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2010
10:15 am

You say tamale, I write tomale…

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2010
10:15 am

“You want people to take personal responsibility but companies shouldn’t have to be responsible?”

And he doesn’t mind a bit using the things that we all pay for, he just doesn’t want to pay his share. It’s all take, take, take.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:16 am

dB – thanks for the assist

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:17 am

BP causes major damage to a large portion of the USA but the conservatives don’t want BP to face any consequesnces…

And we liberals hate America???? LOL

Nothing is Free

June 21st, 2010
10:18 am

When do we get to see this administration being held accountable for their own mistakes?

Jones Act still in place. Berms not allowed to be built.

Any hope libs? Is it all BP’s fault?

Is there any hope of you guys holding the community organizer responsible for his incompetence?

How about the journalist here. Jay, should Obama’s administration be investigated for their actions or lack of actions in this crises? Any hope of looking at the government instead of staying on your knees in front of them?

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:18 am

Finn – the GOP loves America … they just hate shellfish. I’m sure that’s it.

Normal

June 21st, 2010
10:19 am

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:17 am

This Liberal loves the land, really loves the Gulf Coast, and loves the people, but the Conservatives are correct, I not not love America…their version, that is.

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
10:20 am

sfd and USinUK,

Conference? Y’all must’ve read one of those people that I scroll past.

Nothing is Free

June 21st, 2010
10:20 am

Finn McCool

So which leading Republican have said that BP should not be held responsible?

Do you HAVE to make it up as you go? In all the things that Republicans have said, is it really necessary to lie about what is being said?

USinUK

I’m not surprised at Finn Not Cool. You, I’m a little surprised.

Dusty

June 21st, 2010
10:20 am

Well, I see all the comedians are here and the blind liberals have arrived. Hi Bosch! Hi getalife! Hi UsinUK Have fun.

I have to get busy. Enjoy the bashing. It helps Bookman’s blog bait if nothing “effing”else. (Did I spell “effing” correctly, USinUK?)

Bosch

June 21st, 2010
10:22 am

Hi Dusy! Have a great day!!

BADA BING

June 21st, 2010
10:22 am

Don’t boycott BP, they need to be able to pay for damages. If you want to help, reduce your driving, take the car that gets the best mileage, ride a motorcycle, vacation at home. All these are things that can be done with no real sacrifce.

Nothing is Free

June 21st, 2010
10:22 am

Still like it always was.

During the day, libs dominate here because they are either at home, not working or stealing time from their employers.

Dave R.

June 21st, 2010
10:24 am

“To be fair, at least a few Republicans get it, especially those close to the Gulf.”

These republicans get it POLITICALLY, not principally. Barton was right the first time, and politically-correct the second time.

I know libs like Jay don’t understand things like principled arguments and following the LAW, but there is still no legal authority for a president to demand $20 billion from a private company – for any reason.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:24 am

let’s give Dusty a big round of applause … thanks for playing, Dusty! you always add that je ne sais quoi to Jay’s place …

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:24 am

The conditions that created one disaster created the other as well.

I’m waiting for the conservatives to blame the gulf crisis on one of the following:
a) the poor
b) illegals and/or hispanics in general

It’s going to happen and I’m betting it will be the poor.

BADA BING

June 21st, 2010
10:25 am

All you fisters,reduce the amount of lube that you use. Save the world.

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:25 am

NIF – “I’m not surprised at Finn Not Cool. You, I’m a little surprised.”

not nearly as surprised as I am about the extent to which the GOP will accomodate BP’s malfeasance.

Union

June 21st, 2010
10:25 am

i see jay got the memo.. distract.. distract.. distract.. thats was a pretty cheap shot jay regarding the “small people” comment.. i understand your hero talks from a teleprompter and without it.. he is a complete moron that you choose to ignore.

josef nix

June 21st, 2010
10:25 am

BOSCH

I wish I could agree with you. Short sighted and sound byte oriented to a one, they have no idea what’s going on in the long haul and that’s what the people on the Coast are concerned about. But, that’s all right, a faraway people about whom we know very little. I’m not talking about what’s obvious to anybody with two eyes in their heads. They’ve got a firm grasp of the obvious. BP was negligent. The federal government (not Obama, not Bush) has proven once again it is incapable of a coordinated and effective response to a wide-scale disaster. Now, what are we/they going to do about it? Who knows, who cares, why bother?

John K

June 21st, 2010
10:26 am

Finn, don’t forget Gays and Muslims. And Hillary.

BADA BING

June 21st, 2010
10:26 am

On a related note, did you notice it is hard to find gerbils in Atlanta pet stores?

USinUK

June 21st, 2010
10:27 am

Bosch – and, right on cue, we have Bada’s 10:26.

they seem to spend an inordinant amount of time thinking about these things.

BADA BING

June 21st, 2010
10:29 am

USucK, you spend a lot of time defending it.

Dave R.

June 21st, 2010
10:29 am

“BP causes major damage to a large portion of the USA but the conservatives don’t want BP to face any consequesnces…”

Finn, please. Please provide any proof whatsoever that anyone has said that they don’t want BP to face any consequences.

Don’t worry. We’ll wait.

Normal

June 21st, 2010
10:30 am

BADA BING

June 21st, 2010
10:26 am

That’s because most of them are used for kabobs down here…

Finn McCool

June 21st, 2010
10:30 am

NIF,
Can’t call a spade a spade, eh?

Those tens of thousands of workers who will lose their jobs should all just go get in the unemployment line and get what you folks like to call “government hand-outs”?? Instead of making a company pay up front for its eff up?