‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason

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OH MY FREAKING G-D!

THE SWISS DEFEAT SPAIN!

Off topic by the way.

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“Take the country back from who? ”

Wrong question. They don’t want to take it back “from” someone, they want to take it back FOR the poor, oppressed majority white man /snark

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“…wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.”

Nicely put, Mr. Bookman.

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After a very fair chance to explain his recent criticisms of the Fair Housing Act and the Civil Rights Act to Rachel Maddow, Rand Paul (and his new GOP puppet masters) quickly figured out they needed to stuff a sock in his mouth. Thus, they decided he needed to be ‘too exhausted’ for an appearance on Meet The Press.

If Pauls’ and Angle’ ideas are so good, why can’t they debate them openly?

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Take the country back to when?

To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.

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“To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.”

It’s allowed NOW. Don’t you mean back to when God and country was FORCED in our schools?

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This administration was elected by a large majority of the United States’ people, in contrast to the Bush election of 2000. Actually, President Obama won in a relative landslide, unlike the razor thin margins Bush won by both times. The people have chosen this administration and this congress. If they disapprove of their actions they will vote them out. But considering the small numbers of the over-hyped and dwindling Tea Party, that’s unlikely to happen; turnover this election cycle looks to be below historic norms (28 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate).

The majority of U.S. citizens spoke in 2008. Anyone who attempts to use violence against this government, elected by the people, is guilty of treason and the law should treat them as such. It is the very definition of being unpatriotic and unAmerican. The use of force makes it a crime.

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Take that Country back from who? From YOU!

I wasnt aware there was a 2nd amendment…I thought they skipped it.

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You are guilty of treason!! No Im not, you are! Nuh uh, you are. No its you that is guilty. Well lets step outside and find out just how it guilty…

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@@ Sometimes ya can find really cool swords at the flea markets.

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To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.

Scooter, I was indeed FURIOUS when I learned that the President’s address to America’s schoolchildren was NOT shown at my child’s school in our heavily Republican (or is it tea party? I keep getting them mixed up) neighborhood. This is an excellent example of noisy traitorheads taking over and putting PARTY FIRST. The President’s message was straightforward, “America’s future will be brighter if you all knuckle down, finish school, and enter the workforce with an education and some goals.” But NOOOOOOO….. That was not in keeping with the “American sux with that *bleep* in the Whitehouse” crowd, of which only half a dozen or so needed to threaten the school board and principal to deny 2300 students the opportunity to hear the Presdient of the United States of America address American’s children.

As for God, FCA chapters abound in most of our local public schools, and nobody tries to stop them from praying to Jesus ON CAMPUS. Please look at their website and talk to ANY middle or high school administration for confirmation, so you can sleep better at night.

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Hey, Kamchak! Have you noticed that there have been a couple of posts about the World Cup on this blog this morning and . . .

. . . nobody cares!

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Outhouse:

To be honest with you, the thought of hitting gone causes me to cringe. I was trying to cut an electrical cord once to repair a plug. Dang knife went into my hand, hit a bone, and I passed out, but only after throwing up.

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Looks like we got wacko extremists on both sides. Atleast Angle isn’t the POTUS…..

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The woman is absolutely insane.

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I’m thinking that if we could just get rid of the far-left, the far-right would settle down.

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Without credits, housing market index declines
Homebuilders are feeling less confident in the recovery now that government incentives for buyers have expired. Their pessimism could drag on the economy, which may not benefit so much from the job creation that construction typically generates.-Urinal

Gosh, letting people keep more of their own money, instead of throwing it off into the gaping stupid maw of government, causes more economic activity?????!!!!!!?????

Why, who would have ever thought it, um, besides me, that is….

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Oh Noes, Jay. You has it all wronged. The 2nd amendment was put there for when the conservative Republicans get in need of a constitutional (i.e., they lose power) and cannot find any other way to dump on folks.

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gitmo- In the deluded, psychotic world of liberalism, where do y’all think BP will get the 20 billion from?

Just askin…

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This new Angle from the conservative Republicans sure sounds like more of the same to me. They just are not hiding in the closet quite as much as they used to.

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Dave R. 12:29

Seems your argument hinges on healthcare as a right. If it’s not a right, but just a good thing Congress thought needed doing, does that change your view? Doesn’t Congress pass lots and lots of laws that have nothing to do with rights?

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Matilda: Scooter, I was indeed FURIOUS when I learned that the President’s address to America’s schoolchildren was NOT shown at my child’s school in our heavily Republican (or is it tea party? I keep getting them mixed up) neighborhood.

This is not new for the South. Back in the early 50’s and 60’s (Before “I Spy”), the south routinely did not play any programs that pictured blacks in a favorable light. As long as they were “subservient” or pictured as “beasts” without thoughts were they allowed to be shown. The “Grand Ole Party” is just keeping with its long tradition of pandering to the lowest common denominator of its collective members.

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John K
June 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

“…it seems there are just too many people who think tyranny = losing an election.”

Amen, brother.

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First of all Harry Reid is tyrannical and if the polls are any indication it appears that the good folks in Nevada are going to dump him. Now whether or not Sharron Angle is really espousing armed revolution, I don’t know. If she is, then I would agree with Jay’s commentary. It’s getting into the “silly season”, so her comments could very well been taken out of context by her opposition. I think the voters in Nevada are better suited to make the right judgment call.

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About half of one year’s worth of BP earnings goes to dividends of about 10 billion dollars. I think they can handle 20 billion and it will be an amount that is big enough to actually put the fear of God, er, um, I mean, Messiah, er, um, I mean, Obama, in them. hehehe

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But I know what you really mean

No you don’t, John K.

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“I said what I meant. “forced” is your word.”

That’s right, it’s my word. YOU used “allowed” – well, there’s no there there. Both God AND country are ALLOWED now. You’ll need to find something else to “go back to”

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jay said: People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance.
I guess jay never read obozo’z books, or listened to rev. wrongs sermons or louie ferry-khans speeches. Not to mention the dumpocraps mother of year award winner from a few years back cindy she-han, the biggest waste of human flesh in the last ten years.
But then it’s only Freedom Of Speech if you are bedwetting liberal celebrating the burning in effigee of a sitting President or the call to kill the jews by al simpleton or anything jesse jacka$$ says.

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Doggone/GA

June 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

I don’t need to go back to any time because I don’t think my country has been taken from me! I was trying to answer a question about tea partiers and the way they think. Please don’t shoot the messenger. Whew!

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“No you don’t, John K.”

Oh yes I do.

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Sheeesh! I guess Sharron Angle is one who spends much of her time on the forums at WND. Turst me…they “started” their “revolution” the second it was announced that Obama was our new President. Of course WND’s big push is their never ending “Birther Campaign”… but all one needs to do is read the Blognetdaily part of their forums to see those who continually ask for “brothers” to raise arms and REMOVE this President by taking up arms against him. Also…for those not in the “know” about WND…it’s THE Talibangelical site on the internet. Joey Farrah is the very one who brought the world Orly Taitz… and then threw her under the bus when she failed over and over again… he’s FOR PROFIT and rakes in the dough from those “afraid” of the way our nation is heading. Yet he’s always raked in the dough by using fear. His own columnist Hal Lindsey predicted the “Rapture” and all signs pointing towards it about 17 times in the past few years… yet every prediction came and went without the rapture. Matters little… it’s been good for business.

(personally…I like the section of the forums that deals with basting Wiki… because not 3 days goes by without someone on there…including Little Joey Farah himself…using Wiki as “proof” for all their BS)…

Blognetdaily my friends… my personal favorite who leads those who want to use weapons to overthrow our government…all in the name of Jeeeezbus: stoecker

http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=11

Some of his/their recent posts:

“We need to face the fact that a large minority of our population are so dumbed down, indoctrinated, and degraded that they are essentially heartless and mindless and beyond redemption. They are helping the elites drag the world to utter ruin, and they richly deserve the suffering and death that is coming.”

What the Anointed One has planned for us goes beyond what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. It and its fellow luciferians must be stopped at any cost and by any means necessary. The time for peaceful compromise has passed.

William B Stoecker”

Do you think the Iranians would not strike with missiles at US troops nearby in Afhganistan and in the Persian Gulf?? Wonder how many billions of Chinese made microchips are all ready in our weapons of war and could be activated to fail when then want them to? Thats a little bit of what we face today and tomarrow…

Obaminable got huge contributions from BP and excused them from normal oversight, bringing about the explosion and spill on Hitler’s birthday. Obaminable refused every offer of foreign help, turning a relatively minor disaster into an environmental catastrophe. In the time-honored tradition of the elites, it will use the catastrophe it caused as an excuse for cap and tax, even though a real oil spill has no connection whatever to imaginary “gobal hot hot,” and would not, even if the climate change was real. And BP, in an example of crony capitalism and phony environmentalism, helped to write the bill…a fact that the controlled media will cover up.

Already the Anointed One has used this as an excuse for a “moratorium” on undersea drilling; the sane response would have been to allow drilling to continue, and include ANWAR, the Rockies, and shallow water just offshore, but with proper safeguards…sanity, however, is nowhere to be found in the Obaminable regime. To our existing economic disaster it has added the cost of the spill and the “cleanup,” and now the cost of a drilling halt, and, soon (it hopes) the devastating impact of cap and tax. There is nothing accidental in this…we are seeing the deliberate ruin of our economy.

William B Stoecker

Our morality comes from God. Our rights come from God. Without God we are doomed to suffer moral, social, and economic collapse, and, if the elites have their way, the ultimate tyranny.

William B Stoecker

I fear that we have passed the point of no return and a multi-sided race war is inevitable. And this will be a war with no victors.

Simply Talibangelicals at their best. One one of the BIGGEST “Christian” cult sites out there. They have all the mainstream “righty” entertainers on there… just go to the main part of the site…yet Joe Farah has created this forum system for them to gather…and by doing so he supports their RIGHT to speak freely…THAT I agree with. Yet by providing a place and a forum for them to gather where they talk about raising arms…going to battle with our government…by using ARMS and force… what’s YOUR take on it?… Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

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Its only treason if you lose.

Otherwise its patriotism.

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If there are 2nd amendment remedies for a tyrannical government. What remedy do we have to keep guam from tipping over?

moral of the story, there’s idiot nutcases on both sides.

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A government that steals private property from its legitimate owners to give said property to a union against all laws of bankruptcy IS tyrannical. They’ve shown a complete disdain for private property and the rule of law, the very things government was first formed to protect.

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jt @ 1:07 :

Exactly. If our founders had lost they would have all been hung and we as good British subjects would probably have never even been taught their names.

However, when the South lost the war between the “United States (an oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America” do you know why no one was ever tried for treason (i.e., President Davis, General Lee)

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Ms. Angle is merely bringing up the frustration of living with a government run by left wing political leaders that have shown contempt for the people who are against their left wing agenda. Our message is simple: We are angry that out elected representives have let government get so far out of control. We are angry that they have saddled our grandchildren with debt that may destroy their opportunity for happiness and prosperity. We are angry at the smugness of those on the left who believe they and not the American people know what is best. We are angry at being treated like fools when told to believe the liberals’ health care plans would reduce costs and improve services without rationing care, raising taxes or adding to the deficit. We are angry at being promised “transparency” only to see closed door sessions and back room deals that disgust honest Americans. We are angry at the perks and corruption and pork barrel payoffs that are still routine for Washington politicians. We are angry at being called unpatriotic, un-American, fear-mongers and even racists and NAZIs for daring to raise our voices against the policies of this administration. To put it bluntly, we are mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it anymore! The Tea Party movement is a direct reaction to the irresponsibility of the crowd running this government. Obama and his legion of liberals came to be when the moon and the stars were in perfect alignment. Their agenda has been ruinous and now America rejects that agenda. November should begin the self-cleansing process.

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jt @ 1:24 :

Stop that ! My side is hurting !!!

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However, when the South lost the war between the “United States (an oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America” do you know why no one was ever tried for treason (i.e., President Davis, General

I know you were not talking to me Scout but I would like to know the answer to your Question though.

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Donovan, replace “left wing political leaders” with “politicians who are owned by special interests” and you might get some traction. Do you realize when you post “We are angry that out elected representives have let government get so far out of control” you assuming responsibility for this mess? In my opinion, We (the People) never had “control”. The government has always enjoyed the upper hand, and like any beast, it does what it needs to do to maintain control.

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I agree with Bookman on this one. And you can add to the list those members of the Georgia legislature who advocate the same and those running for Governor who refuse to disavow the same thoughts.

Whether you like it or not the current administration and congress were elected by “we the people” in accordance with the Constitution.

Don’t like what the Constitution says? There is a remedy, amend the Constitution. How do you do that? It’s in the Constitution. Read it.

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Seems we cant even play in our own backyard now. THANKS OBAMA!!
Its time to start shooting these illegal border crossers and tell Calderon to go to hell.

Uptick in Violence Forces Closing of Parkland Along Mexico Border to Americans
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16/closes-park-land-mexico-border-americans/

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JB, stop with the faux patriotism. You’re worse than Bush with the “threat to our country” nonsense. First off, there is no “threat” anything close to an armed insurrection would be CRUSHED within hours. AND, it is not “our” country. It is ExxonMobil’s country. It is Microsoft’s country. It is Verizon’s country. It is Berkshire Hathwaway’s, Haliburton’s and Coca Cola’s country. We’re not the “owners” we’re the employees or at best the consumers. Seriously, dude. That comment made me spit out my coffee. Are you “astroturfing” for the remake of “Red Dawn”? Wolverines!

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Matilda:

May I remind you that Lincoln was DEAD when Congress wanted Davis, et al tried and hung for treason.

See my 1:31 again.

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Matilda:

I didn’t expect you to read Latin but you could at least look it up ………………..

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Raucous applause from Bosch!!!

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Kamchak,

This is me:

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“merely bringing up the frustration of living with a government run by left wing political leaders that have shown contempt for the people who are against their left wing agenda”

Oh my freaking God –

Donovan,

Have you been in a coma for the past 30 years and just now woken up?

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Jay, you have taken Ms Angle’s comments completely out of context and it has generated posts not based on the facts. Although I am not optimistic those opinions will change after my post.

Ms Angle is not in favor of Second Amendment “remedies.” Quite the opposite. She is against the efforts of the Left/progressives to somehow get rulings through the courts that produce a “remedy” to their second amendment obstacle and give them gun control.

Ms Angle’s references to Thomas Jefferson and a revolution every 20 years is not a call for taking up arms. Instead, it is a statement to Congress and the Left/progressives that citizens do not want, nor do they like, the attempts to bypass the second amendment to where citizens cannot own guns. And, that should those efforts continue, and God forbid be successful, there WILL be a revolution. It may be weak, it may not last, but there are tens of thousands, if not millions, of citizens who will Never, and I mean never, give up their firearms willingly.

One example of the continuing efforts toward gun control by somehow getting around the second amendment is the H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act -which would restrict cooperations from political speech. The act would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

Have your fun with Ms Angle. In November, you will see just how many American’s don’t agree with you. Bye, Bye Harry!

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Uptick in Violence Forces Closing of Parkland Along Mexico Border to Americans

Don’t worry OGK, Obama’s got this one!

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Jay:

Your thread today begs another question:

““In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.”

Since in the past you have posted numerous anit-gun/anti-carry/anti-true meaning of the 2nd Amendment threads …………… what do you propose to use “to implement said remedies” ?

You squirt gun? Pitchfork? Cap pistol?

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Scooter :

“Jose” Obama “don’t need no stinking badge.”

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It is blogs like these where I am reminded of one T Jefferson:

“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

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“People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.”

Amen Jay, amen.

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Heck, she is just making the point that “You will get my brass before you get my gold”. I totally agree with her. There was a time when free men did revolt against a government that was taxing them without representing them. Oh, yes, I remember those men. There names were Washington, Adams, Jefferson. As I recall they used their brass. There comes a time when the country is fed up with its representatives. We have to try to vote them out of office, but that is becoming harder to do because they are funded by bribery and corrupt lobbiests, so honest people, and they are supported by a ka media, so a honest man hardly has a chance. I would vote Angle over Reid any day of the week.

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Scout: Matilda, You continue to miss the point. They weren’t tried for treason because IT WASN’T TREASON!

Dude, what school did YOU graduate from? Please let me know so that I make sure my neices and nephews DON’T go there!

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Jay Bookman wrote: “or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power. ”

Bingo. I could go through a WHOLE LIST of things that the government does in defiance to judicial limits on its power. The Healthcare bill jammed down our throats is but one small example. The Commerce Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3) has now been used to tax, to take land, to force people to purchase health insurance. It pretty much being used at will by the federal government ” to defy judicial limits on its power ” .

If I was a beach front owner with a modest house, and the government decided to take my land to give to a developer to bring in more taxes (serve the public good), then I would believe that Second Amendment remedies are in order.

Or, If a was a 22 year old in great health and the government told me I had to purchase a $4000 health insurance policy when all I wanted was catastrophic coverage, then I would believe that Second Amendment remedies are in order.

Or, if the government instituted a complete ban on guns in my town/county/state, I might believe that Second Amendment remedies are in order.

Shall I go on, Jay? While YOU may believe that the government is right, there is SIGNIFICANT body of work that suggests that these acts by Federal and State governments are unconstitutional and ” defy judicial limits on its power.”

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Hey Mrs. G!!! I missed you!!

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“The Healthcare bill jammed down our throats is but one small example.”

There’s the loony sign.

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jt,

The Feds threaten violence on you every April 15th?

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The 2nd Amendment is there for a good reason and on that we’re all pretty much agreed. It’s when, where and why to invoke it we seem to be stuck on. That’s a good thing. It is one of the most clear and concise of all the Amendments. The founding fathers, who I personally think we give a bit more credit than they’re due or would want for their “wisdom,” left that question wide open and for a good reason. It’s up to “the people” to make that decision. The founding fathers didn’t have that much faith in the people making the right decision, either. A lot of them weren’t all that convinced they had made the right one themselves. So, as I have said before, they left us with a document that gave us the freedom to F up since they knew we were going to do it anyway, We haven’t let them down. On the other hand that document gave us the freedom to aspire to and achieve the pinnacles of human dream and endeavor, unfettered in that drive. The optimists among them, as well, even, as the pessimists on a good hair day, held out hope that we would. And we have not let them down there either.

That said, then, those seeking to “take back their country” are no more inclined to be from one “side” as the other. It’s political rhetoric and not much else. Those seeking to do so invoking the 2nd Amendment are, thakfully, the lunatic fringe of those “sides.” Today, it is the right in the spotlight. Like Gale, I am old enough to have been a participant in “The Revolution” of the 1960s and no small few of the lunatic fringe elements on the left, then, too, invoked the 2nd Amendment.

While our society today is increasingly polarized between left-right, etc., those of us who were alive and participants back then can, I think, say without fear of contradiction, as bad as it is now it ain’t nowhere nearly as bad as it was then.

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“By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence”

Didn’t Obama just threaten to kick someone’s ass? Just sayin….

BTW, the nursing home needs to be alerted again. Granny’s escaped. You’d think they get better locks on her door.

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Jay wrote – Johnny Reb, that’s a ludicrous interpretation.

Jay, your flat wrong. If you were as in-tune with the Right as I, you would not have stated my interpretation is ludicrous. What I wrote is the exact interpretation of Angle. I suggest you pull yourself away from White Hose talking points and watch a little Glenn Beck or listen to Mark Levine. You may even know Hannity personally.

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josef nix

June 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

A refreshing voice of reason. Thank you! I needed that.

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Reb,

“and watch a little Glenn Beck or listen to Mark Levine.”

I’d personally rather shove bamboo shoots under my toe nails.

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Jay (and Granny), how do you think our government maintains control over the unwashed masses, illegals, upstarts and revolutionaries? By force (or the threat of force). Who serves a homeowner with a foreclosure notice? Not the bank. The local sherrif’s office. Who physically removes a family from a foreclosed property, or executes an eviction notice? The landlord? Nope, the police. I’m sure most of the folks on this blog have been to the courthouse for jury duty or whatever. Ever notice how they send you through a metal detector, but all the bailiffs are armed? Brian Nichols used a Fulton County deputy’s side arm to kill four people. The government wants the 2nd Amendment because it makes people think they have some sort of power or insurance policy against tyranny. And JohnnyReb, it seems to me that Ms. Angle doesn’t give a rat’s behind about the 2nd Amendment. It would appear you don’t understand the context of her comments. She was crying wolf and nothing more. She was groveling for votes. It was “red meat” and nothing more. Wake up people. The 2nd Amendment is an illusion; a card trick.

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Glen Beck, Mark Levine and Sean Hannity? The unholy trinity of the far right? Sorry, I do not worship false idols.

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Paul! OMG, the Swiss beat Spain!!! Spain!!!

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Bosch, know your opposition. Why do you think I read you guys on this blog? I hope you don’t believe I think that I can change your politics.

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Bosch, and Brazil did not look too good in beating North Korea 2-1 yesterday.

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Bosch

Zillette #1 at 29 weeks, Baby G scheduled to land 1st week of September. #2 eloped! So far so good….and Mr G just had his last shot of radiation. Life is good.

How are the Boschies?

Howdy Paul.

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Y’all crazies talking about taking up arms against the duly elected government of the United States can have Alaska, Texas, Michigan and Montana…the rest of us sane people will have the rest.

But y’all have to take all the right-wing pundits with you…including Coulter. That’s the deal.

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DDR

And in case you missed it this time around, again, I’ve been giving the President credit for making a good decision announced last night.

And JAY

Did you catch any ref to “fierce advocate?” I didn’t and in reading over the speech this a.m. did not see those words…am I missing them? Or did his handlers tell him he best not use that phrase?

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Joan – You say we try to vote them out of office, but that is becoming harder to do because they are funded by bribery and corrupt lobbiests (sic).

So many people make that excuse, but what do you mean by that? A lobbyist has 1 vote. Corporations have no votes. If American voters can clearly see what a politician is doing (or not doing), they can rally other voters. Kinda like the T-Nuts, only smarter. The problem is that many voters continue to vote for bad politicians. This happens regardless of political party.

Many voters don’t vote for the candidate, they vote for the ideology or issue (ie – anti-abortion). But the bigger problem tends to be voter apathy….those who rationalize that their one vote won’t really make a difference.

My aunt would vote for whoever her minister told her to vote for without questioning him at all. So would most of her elderly (over 75 yrs old) neighbors. But if you had them all sitting in front of a candidate who told them he wanted to eliminate social security and medicare, they would rush the stage with their walkers and beat him to death with their canes!

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Mrs. G.,

“and Mr G just had his last shot of radiation.”

Errr? Does he have a little tattoo to mark the spot?

So, what are we gonna call the baby zillette? Did you hear I have puppies?

The Boschies are good – oldest Boschie is home for the summer, so that’s good, and the other two are already bored. The World Cup is keeping us busy. Have you heard? We love soccer.

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eyes,

I think they were just too over confident, they thought the North Koreans would be starved and a pushover.

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P.S. to DebbieDoRight:

The “people” did not rise up against the U.S. (that would have been a “civil” war). Individual States (through their duly elected representatives) did.

Thus, the war between the “United States (oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America.”

josef !!!! Help me out here. There is a lot of ignorance of history out therer.

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Jay

June 16th, 2010
2:43 pm

Do you pay your taxes, jt? File your 1040s just like the rest of us?

I do Jay.

Unlike you, I am not happy paying for banksters, unjust wars, and politically connected crooks. And I try to stop it.

Cowered sheep not.

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And the Oscar for best Drama goes to…………. jt!

Thanks JCB.

It is true.

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Jay, Tell me you’re pulling JohnnyReb’s leg. Angle is working an angle. I don’t know if you own a firearm, but in the first 6-12 months following Obama’s election it was nearly impossible to purchase ammo because every right-wing nut job was warning of “gun control”. It was a price gouging ruse, rooted in baseless fears and nothing more. Did you see Sarah Palin’s comments at last month’s NRA soire in NC? “Obama would take your guns if he could…” Again, she threw a bunch of red meat to gun owners and it wasn’t even real meat (as if she knows what Obama thinks, or what he can and cannot do). I was, literally “mystery meat”. You folks (journalists) play into the hands of people like Angle. This is Dennis Rodman or Lady GaGa stuff; let me say/do something crazy, so long as the camera is focused on me. I mean, really; do you think people are buying ammo to overthrow the government?

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Are Angle, Scout and JohnnyReb doing a little threesome thing.

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Scout,

By that same logic, you could be murdered for not paying a parking ticket.

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She could have said worse, like “We are just looking to spread the wealth”.

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Taxpayer:

Nope ………. re: my 2:57 ……… been there done that ……….. but thankfully they always went in cuffs.

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Bosch

I’m going to hate when those little tattos fade…..great apres shower
target…whack!

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Scout is such a champion in his mind.

Dude, some of us don’t entertain the insane.

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Bosch:

No ……….. but you could be “killed” for not paying a parking ticket if when the police come to serve the warrant you do something that causes them to “render you incapable of continuing the action which promted them to shoot” ………………

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Bosch 2:42

Spain? Didn’t they, like, invent soccer?

That’s what I like – on any day absolutely anything can happen.

Jay

““That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of their government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways?

“That’s why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don’t win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?””

Without knowing much about this woman or her background, I have to say this sounds more like an observation and concern if candidates like herself aren’t elected to provide a relief valve for the nutjobs, there’s no telling what they’ll do next. Not that she’s advocating a next step or sees herself as part of their group.

jewcowboy

“Y’all crazies talking about taking up arms against the duly elected government of the United States can have Alaska, Texas, Michigan and Montana…the rest of us sane people will have the rest.”

Oh geez… I am SO tired of moving….

Hi N-GA

It’s not just the older, older folks who willingly submit to being told what to think without critical evaluation -

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“Chris Rock: Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. F*ck, that, I like guns. If you’ve got a gun, you don’t need to work out! Cause, I ain’t working out. I ain’t jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there’d be no more innocent by-standers. That’d be it. Some guy’d be shot you’d be all ‘Damn, he must’ve done something, he’s got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!’ And people’d think before they shot someone ‘Man I will blow your f*cking head off, if I could afford it. I’m gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man. You’d better hope I don’t get no bullets on lay-away!’ And even if you get shot you wouldn’t need to go to the emergency room. Whoever shot you’d take their bullet back. ‘I believe you got my property?’ ” ~ Chris Rock

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Scout – In honor of you I looked up the LEGAL definition of treason, (which follows). Pay special attention to the paragraph that gives example of the treasonous acts of the Civil War. Please read it for yourself, and as it says in the bible, “those who have ears will hear, and those who have eyes will see”; all others are considered Republicans (Debbie’s add-in — I couldn’t help myself).

Legal Definition of TREASON (link attached to end of paragraphs)

Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given.

The English common law required defendants to forfeit all of their property, real and personal, upon conviction for treason. In some cases, the British Crown confiscated the property of immediate family members as well. The common law also precluded convicted traitors from bequeathing their property through a will. Relatives were presumed to be tainted by the blood of the traitor and were not permitted to inherit from him. Article III of the U.S. Constitution outlaws such “corruption of the blood” and limits the penalty of Forfeiture to “the life of the person attainted.” Under this provision relatives cannot be made to forfeit their property or inheritance for crimes committed by traitorous family members.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/treason

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Does Scout use a Hoveround or a motorized walker.

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Paul,

“It’s yours to blow -”

Isn’t that the new tag line for Vegas?

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Bosch, if you live in Atlanta, you can be murdered for being a 92 year-old grandmother watching TV. If you live in NYC, you can be murdered (shot 41 times) for reaching into your jacket to retrieve your ID – as directed by the police officers who believed you were someone else. The second amendment give us the impotent “right to bear arms” but the police and the military are the only ones with the right to use them indiscriminately.

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Why do people hate weapons? A weapon, by itself, never killed ANYBODY! It is a tool that someone used to kill someone, it had to be picked up, loaded , and effort of some sort had to be exerted by a human. It is not evil, or good. It is an inert object. We need PEOPLE CONTROL, not gun control.

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“but the police and the military are the only ones with the right to use them indiscriminately.”

Uh-oh jt…we may have new nomination for the Oscar in a Drama.

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PAUL

I have indeed enjoyed the two-step with the Brigham Reid and now Nasty Nanci’s been talking about her conversations with G-d, there’s Etheridge in North Carolina and Greene in South Carolina…I think my Kundera camel just went, not down the Bruin’s rabbit hole, but certainly behind the looking glass…

G-d! I love America!

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jewcowboy……

gonna start referring to you as “bada bum”

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DebbieDoRight :

By the way, Johnson issued that amnesty after Congress couldn’t get Davis tried and hung.

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All those people who bought that ammunition weren’t buying it to hunt rabbits, to borrow the Vegas headline phrase.

You are right Jay! Some of us were buying it to hunt deer,turkey,hogs, elk and moose, and for no other reason,period.

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Really? With political races in Georgia, you’re focused on Nevada? Really? Why?

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Sounds to me like Matilda needs some waltzing,

to reality.

Oh well, everyone needs a daddy. Obama will do ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

for some.

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Your Grandfathers and uncles had guns, every one of you reading this. YOU are alive because sometime in your family history, your ancestors were better shots than the people shooting at them. Before guns, your ancestors were better swordsmen, archers, or just had bigger clubs. You are alive because of weapons.

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Jay, I concede the addtional Angle comments you posted did allow me to better understand your original thoughts. However, I still don’t agree that Angle is supporting armed revolution, which your post suggests. In fact, I interpret “That’s why I look at this as almost an imperative.” If we don’t win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?” as legitimate concern of just how many Americans are not willing to continue the loss of Liberty from the Obama administration and the Democratic congress. I suggest that you should take her comments seriously instead of trying to paint her as a lune or demon.

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jewcowboy (is that like Gene Wilder in the Frisco Kid?), No drama, just a fact. I’m not some right wing tea party fool. In fact, if you’ve followed my posts, this whole issue is much ado about nothing because the the 2nd amendment sin’t going anywhere. It’s like when the pro-abortion crowd starts warbling about Bush appointees tot he SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade ain’t going anywhere). The 2nd Amendment is like the “little kid’s table” at the big family dinner. There is a “grown-up” (government)right to bear arms and there is a kids (2nd amendment) right to bear arms. So let’s forget about drama and look at the irony in this blog. Jay Bookman is expressing concerns about “treason” and “threats” because a politician expressed concerns about second amendment remedies to a tyrannical government.

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BADA BING,

“your ancestors were better shots than the people shooting at them.”

Or they could run really really fast…

“You are alive because of weapons.”

Or despite them…

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Scout: DebbieDoRight- By the way, Johnson issued that amnesty after Congress couldn’t get Davis tried and hung.

Scout, again, Johnson didn’t NEED Congress. According to Article III, Section III, of the Constitution all he needed were two witnesses to each treasonous act. Witness #1 could’ve been the his own handwritten orders to the troops – Witness #2 could’ve been his taking the role as “President” of the Southern states.

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Adam Smith & Wesson,

When one states that police and military can use their weapons “indiscriminately”, one loses all credibility.

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Debbie:

I read it all. No one was ever convicted of treason.

Taxpayer:

Actually, the earth is millions/billions of years old. We don’t know for sure.

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“Did you know that Jay can see what you type as you type it?”

No, no…you have to get it “right”…he can see what you’re going to type before you do it!

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Let me see? Is the columnist trying to say that Harry Reid’s record is better? Is the crux of the article meant to damage the Republican candidate in order to make Harry Reid look sensible and worthy of re-election? That my friend is the epitome of propaganda. If you for one milisecond while reading this article felt that you should now back the flawed agenda of Reid and the bumbling adminstration. You my friend may need to move to South Carolina and join the new campaign for election of Alvin Greene. Look him up! That’s the camp “Weasel Boy” pitches his tent.

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PAUL

I wasn’t around the blog, then, but I can imagine! When Salt Lake City extended benefits to same sex couples, and I put in my hmmmm there on Ima Gonna’s foot dragging, not a peep! Same thing when I brought up his “religious convictions” for being in support of Prop 8, pointing out that his church brand, the United Church of Christ, had been in the forefront of the struggle for equal civil rights for homosexuals, or his inviting the preacher Warren, something which some said they had “no problem with.” Where were the Baptist Bashers on the left, then? Strangely silent.
It’s all rather funny when you just sit back and listen…

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Scout,

Do you think I’m stupid enough to believe this “states rights” rubbish has anything to do with MY rights? Already I don’t have a single representative at the state or national level who gives a gosh darn what I think, and they point that out with varying degrees of eloquence whenever I write to them. “States rights” in 2010 means exactly the following: “That *bleep* in the White House is not going to tell ME what to do!” Don’t you dare insult the intelligence of the good people here by trying to sugar coat that one. It is what it is.

I appreciate your salty Marine schtick and all, but with every post, you sound more and more like a traitor to me. Just my opion, to which I believe I’m still entitled, even though NO ONE who “represents” me seems to care.

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“Constitutional republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the perceived threat of majoritarianism, thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the “tyranny of the majority” by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[2] The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify.”

Interesting concept considering it no longer works.

When 2 neighbors decide to pay their bills using a third neighbors income, the system is broken.

One must only look to Oregon and the recently passed healthcare bill for examples. The system was not meant to “target” a group of individuals for the benefit of another group of individuals. I can see the third neighbor’s inclination to resort to the 2nd amendment against the other 2 neighbors (ie gov’t), common sense dictates self defense.

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Scout: Debbie: I read it all. No one was ever convicted of treason.

You must’ve missed this part……

For example, Mildred Gillars, a U.S. citizen who became known as Axis Sally, was convicted of treason for broadcasting demoralizing propaganda to Allied forces in Europe from a Nazi radio station in Germany during World War II.

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Despite them? Jewboy, Nobody stayed alive by not using weapons.

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josef nix

‘It’s all rather funny when you just sit back and listen…’

One can either get all worked up and angry, or laugh.

I like seeing the humor and laughing.

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Normal

June 16th, 2010
3:23 pm

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We modern men have it easy. Ancient men left their caves with a weapon in their hand, every day. Wild animals and other tribes were constant threats. Unarmed men did not survive to reproduce. Imagine being a target every time you leave your house, kind of like the inner cities today in America.

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Scout – DDR

“No one was ever convicted of treason.”

We’re way past those quaint conventions. Pres Obama leads the new way: put out a hit with a Predator and a Hellfire (Anwar al Awlaki).

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All I can say is that I don’t agree with any thing the government is doing, has done lately, or has been doing for a long time. Try to make it illegal for me to own a gun and you will see why the amendment was written.

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PAUL

“I like seeing the humor and laughing.”

And this blog can be more fun than a barrel of monkeys. And that’s a good thing. It’s why I like to come here and play…

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Jay, thanks for the debate. This drama king is signing off, duty calls. Regards

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REb,

Like Jay mentioned – I don’t have a problem with the political process — if the voters vote back in a GOP POTUS and Congress, then so be it. But yes, I do think it’s crazy and insane for those to “take up arms” against the government that was democratically elected.

When people talk that talk, all that tells me is that they are unable to cope with anyone who thinks different and has a different direction. Instead, they resort to making up lies, or believing lies, or violence — anything to regain control — they resort to the actual people they purport to be protecting our country from. They become their own enemy.

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Jay:

This is from “DebbieDoRights” post. You may want to review it in light of the context of your thread:

“Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it.”

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DDR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

josef – I’m sure you can find others.

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BADA BING

June 16th, 2010
3:42 pm

I think you are talking about Private Eddie Slovic…executed for desertion…

There was another one, too…Private Alex Miranda, for Murder.

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DDR

“Saves court costs……”

You Libs sure are a bloodthirsty lot…

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Jay:

For example ……… we once had a guy who was printing bumper stickers that said :

“I wish someone would shoot the Pres****t”. (I’m not even going to spell it out).

Anyway, in very, very small letters underneath it said “with a camera”.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office declined (not a threat) but we managed to talk the guy into not printing any more as some nut might see it as their “message from God.”

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md,

But yes, it would be insane. You defending these nuts?

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He cares about the “small people”.

Dude.

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Scout: The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it.”

Please re-read the VIOLENT OVERTHROW part. While we are in two wars, (Afghan and Iraq); someone instigating the violent overthrow of the US CAN be charged with treason.

josef: Oh really!? Yes, you DID say something nice about him, THEN you came back and slandered him. He said he believed that marriage is between a male and a female, he NEVER said he supported Prop 8 in California!! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD SAY SUCH A THING???!!??

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jewcowboy,

Another nomination @ 3:55.

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“Really?

Your 3:58 – was one big broad brush, Ms. It’s all the poor and lazy’s fault.”

Care to point out the broad brush?? Nothing unfactual about that post.

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md,

The whole thing. There’s nothing actually factual about it either.

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“The whole thing. There’s nothing actually factual about it either.”

Again, care to elaborate or do you prefer to just make assertions.

Come on Bosch, list what is not true.

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PAUL

Thanks for the post…there’ll be more on this as the challenge by that GASP arch conservative Reaganite comes up,,,that, too, should give a chuckle or two…

But…ooohhh that Jon Stewart one! Just tooooo good! Ouch!

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md,

I’m not in the mood to get into another discussion with you about how you hate poor people and why they are to blame for everything bad and wrong and how stupid they are for just making the bad choice to be poor. It’s a ridiculous argument that you’ve purported here for months, years even – and until you can name all the government programs that fund the lazy, its not a valid argument.

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BYW:

To keep all of this in context, “Che” Obama has been pretty buddy buddy over the years with people who advocated the violent overthrow of these here United States …………… and even committed overt acts ………….

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josef nix

I wondered if anyone else would watch that Stewart link. Not a pretty sight for die-hard Obama supporters.

But as I said the other day to female vet, a lot happens when a candidate, relatively new to higher office, gets out of the theory and posturing during a campaign and actually sees reality.

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Come on Jay. Aren’t you being a bit of a drama queen saying that she’s a “threat to the country”. She’s a more of a threat to your beloved Harry Reid and you know it. You aren’t scared of ideology because if you were, you would be terrified of people like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. They are truly scary and fortunately, the country is waking up to that fact. Your bitterness is directed at the threat to your ideology, not to the any real threat to our country, isn’t it?

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md,

They are American citizens. When you start to delve into the value of human life or those who are deserving and who are not – that’s a very dangerous road.

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PAUL

It’s like Unmentionable said watching it, it’s a good thing it’s being done as satire because a cold hard look at just exactly what Stewart’s saying is, well, a bit too frightening…and no one is calling for an accounting on those points, either…that’s scary.

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Actually, the earth is millions/billions of years old. We don’t know for sure

I made a statement regarding time to “create” and you respond with a statement regarding time since “creation” as though you were responding to my statement. Now, did you wish to comment on the “six days to create the earth and its initial population.”

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My ride is here – later gators!

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This is the real threat Jay. Just for you and Amvet.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Once-a-government-pet-BP-now-a-capitalist-tool-95942659.html

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TaxPayer :

We don’t really know ………….. we’re still trying to discover it all.

Now a question for you. How long did it take for God to create all the matter in the known universe?

You know ……….. the big bang ………..

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Will have to check the moon to night and see if the moon is ‘blue’ or if there pigs flying around. Bookman and I actually agree on something.

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PAUL

That’s why I’ve said what I have about it won’t be pretty when his supporters do turn on him for his inabilities to deliver pie in the sky (and it’s not just him, it’s every politician confronted with put up or shut up and it goes with the territory). His, though, actually believed, and many still do, that he was something different. That’s why I call him the Shabbatai Zvi. It’s not even that he called himself the saviour (no capital letter there, please note) but he certainly rode it in to office. Now there, he’s just another Bush.

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For more Sharron Angle nuttiness, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzfmLRJxzY

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And as much as I disdain references to Hitler and Nazi’s when used as political attack mechanisms, the last paragraph of the article I referenced above exactly describes our present national situation. It is the same situation and the same relationship Hitler and the Nazi’s had with pre-war Germany. They used anti-capitalist/nationlist/progressive zealotry and sentiment to gain power while at the same time lying in bed with the industrialists (to both of thems advantage, they THOUGHT). I mean, Hitler learned these tactics from the likes of Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt, both marxist/progressives of the same “ILK” as Obama.

We have many real reasons to be scared Jay and but it ain’t the lady from Nevada.

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And as much as I hate to see others use words like Hitler and Nazi in a political context, Bush is Hitler re-incarnated. It’s true. Just sketch in the little moustache and see for yourself. Cheney is either Stalin or Mussolini or maybe even Hiter and Mussolini’s love child or something similar. They’re a bunch of socialist marxist conservatives. There, Pogo. You see now, don’t you.

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josef nix

I think Obama wanted to be different. I do think he had a heatfelt vision of how things could be better. I’ve also said I thought he felt strongly enough about it that if following through cost him a second term, he was willing to risk it.

I do not think his Party or Congress has been a good partner. They have their own agenda and careers to protect. Rahm should’ve seen a lot of this coming.

I think he really believed early on what he said. I don’t think it was all calculating. But it’s the same way people say how they’re going to be when they’re married, or a parent, or get a supervisory position at work or serve on this board or that committee. Good intentions have a way of changing as other people and factors enter the mix.

I like your Granddaddy’s line. And no, the timeline for reincarnation doesn’t work out here -

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Paul:

Exactly.

Taxpayer:

We’re going to have to wait and ask “Him”.

Lee and Atlanta 1:

I already brought that up to Jay but he’s dodging it.

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Hillbilly Deluxe:

I kind of liked smacking the “hippies” around.

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It was exactly six days for the bible tells thee so just like it tells thee everything, verbatim and literally but never figuratively, allegorically speaking, naturally. After all, how could it not be any other way to a true believer. In the beginning there was… nothing. Or perhaps, everything.

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Scout’s fantasies of “smacking” people are rather amusing.

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Ain’t against making em pay Debbie. Just don’t be fooled into thinking that the outcome of this is going to be pleasant. Obama is as much bought and paid for by BP as any politician around. He talks tough but he wants their money as all politicans do. They were right there with Obama until the oil rig disaster. And once again, he want to make the evil “big business” a villain even though prior to it he was more than willing to take their money for political reasons and went as far as to make them players in forming national policy.

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No worries, Second Amendment Tea Party Revolutionaries. Your 2nd Amendment iron-fisted gods, the NRA, got themselves exempted BY LAW in proposed legislation from having to disclose WHO THEY ARE when they spend their unlimited funds in the November elections as a result of the “Citizens United” ruling. So far the NRA is the ONLY exemption in the proposed disclosure law. Are they ashamed of what they advocate? Or do they just want to buy elections with more ads? I’d compare the politicians who went along with the exemptions to prostitutes, except I don’t like to insult prostitutes.

It’s dramatic and fun and all to pretend you’re a victim, but when the organization representing you has that total power, you rule.

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TaxPayer

“Scout’s fantasies of “smacking” people are rather amusing.”

(I don’t think he meant ‘hitting’).

“Make Love, Not War”

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Uh Paul:

You had probably best stay out of this one …………….

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Scout

As I said, I like to see the humor.

http://www.calgarycostume.ca/70%60s/hippie%20girl.jpg

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Taxpayer:

……… and the best part was it was all legal !

Well, now that Paul has clarified your definition of smacking…

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AmVet

“Now if only human labor, or as we called it in the good old daysm work, was taxed at a 15% rate, while the hedge fund managers and paper shufflers were taxed at 25%, 28%, etc… Instead of the other way around.”

Now that’s a darn good question for Senate Democrats.

Been saving this for you all day. Posted it earlier, asked JohnnyReb why more super-cons aren’t in love with Pres Obama. Only josef watched and mentioned on the last page.

I figure you’re moonlighting, writing Stewart’s monologues –

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-june-15-2010-james-tabor

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DDR

“And Cheney et al DIDN’T???? ”

Where did you get that idea? Him and Rumsfeld have been in my nightmares since way before you were even a gleam in your daddy’s eye…

Is it okay with you if I look over BOTH my left and right shoulder?

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Although, most people who advocate seat-belt laws, income taxes, anti-smoking laws,etc… are beyond hope, there is always a slight chance for one of you to climb out of the dark pit of statism and authoritism. Deep down inside , you realize that you are just scared of freedom. There is nothing to be afraid of. Your neighbor is a better friend than Uncle Sam.

This guy will help.

The Political Thought of Étienne de la Boétie

“It is true that in the beginning men submit under constraint and by force; but those who come after them obey without regret and perform willingly what their predecessors had done because they had to. This is why men born under the yoke and then nourished and reared in slavery are content, without further effort, to live in their native circumstance, unaware of any other state or right, and considering as quite natural the condition into which they are born … the powerful influence of custom is in no respect more compelling than in this, namely, habituation to subjection.”

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Don’t be afraid dear Sheople—————-Throw off the yokes of the Fed. Your free neighbors will help. And they will ask nothing in return.

” Plays, farces, spectacles, gladiators, strange beasts, medals, pictures, and other such opiates, these were for ancient peoples the bait toward slavery, the price of their liberty, the instruments of tyranny. By these practices and enticements the ancient dictators so successfully lulled their subjects under the yoke, that the stupefied peoples, fascinated by the pastimes and vain pleasures flashed before their eyes, learned subservience as naively, but not so creditably, as little children learn to read by looking at bright picture books.”

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It is a tough job. And often thankless.

How is tyranny concretely to be overthrown, if it is cemented upon society by habit, privilege and propaganda? How are the people to be brought to the point where they will decide to withdraw their consent? In the first place, affirms La Boétie, not all the people will be deluded or sunk into habitual submission. There is always a more percipient, elite who will understand the reality of the situation; “there are always a few, better endowed than others, who feel the weight of the yoke and cannot restrain themselves from attempting to shake it off.” These are the people who, in contrast to “the brutish mass,” possess clear and far-sighted minds, and “have further trained them by study and learning.” Such people never quite disappear from the world: “Even if liberty had entirely perished from the earth, such men would invent it.”

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AmVet,

I think you’re about three days early on the anniversary of the “first” baseball game which supposedly was played on June 19, 1846, but a box score got printed in a newspaper in 1845 which would seem to put the 1846 game in doubt too. The difference seems to be that they call the 1846 game to be the first recorded game.

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Fat Ray:

Here is what Jefferson said about the subject:

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson

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And for all of you people who have had their houses re-possessed for taxes so that some art school could survive, or had their fathers jailed for smoking some weed, or had their family farms seized for some tax-generating scheme, or the 15 year-old girl who stood up to a local judge and was ridiculed,

Remember this——————————-

Tyrants live in constant and perpetual fear of the well-deserved hatred they know is borne them by every one of their subjects. Courtiers and favorites live miserable, crawling, cringing lives every moment of which is bent on servilely fawning upon the ruler on whom they depend. Eventually, as enlightenment spreads among the public, the privileged favorites will begin to realize the true misery of their lot, for all their wealth can be seized from them at any moment should they fall out of step in the race for the favors of the king. When they “look at themselves as they really are . . . they will realize clearly that the townspeople, the peasants whom they trample under foot and treat worse than convicts or slaves … are nevertheless, in comparison with themselves, better off and fairly free.”

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Just remember treason spelled backwards is nosaert !

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In closing-
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Paul/Napolitano 2012

I know that liberty is frightening to most, but ya’ll will HAVE to try it soon. Might as well get used to it.

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The Second Amendment of the Constitution simply applies principles annunciated by the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence declares it to be “the right of the people” to abolish a government that is destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and for the people to “provide new guards for their future security.” The Second Amendment says a well regulated militia is necessary to such security and adds that “the right of the people” to provide that militia service “shall not be infringed.”

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“Turn this country around” – to what?? The stench it has become in the past 30 years?? 20 out of 29 years with Republiscum presidents. Duh. Yup!

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Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:10 pm

RASMUSSEN POLL…

Obama Approval Falls to New Low: 42%
Obama Approval Index: -20
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The real polls have him holding steady at 50%. Rasmussen is the Fox News of polls.

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Dr. Pangloss – time for the Louisiana Oil kool-aide if you think NObama’s rating is really 50%. He is so ONE TERM.

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What you are saying in your article is what I have been saying all along. These sub-humans are no better than Timothy McVeigh oor John Wilkes Booth. Why is it that the media keep propping these monkeys up? They have nothing to say, and are more adept at doing nothing, but cooking, smoking and selling meth. When is it that someone in our nation spew out treason and nothing is done. Two police officers were killed and four others wounded in Arkansas several weeks ago by this ilk. These people are terrorists, no better than the Taliban or al-Qeada. It’s time these monkeys be rouded up and shot for the scum they are.

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Seems you forgot to mention the radical words spoken by dingy Harry Jay. Like the war is lost we may as well give up and come home… Telling children that the sitting President is a loser. Saying that our men fighting in the War on Terror are killing innocent civilians… Things like that Jaybird. I didn’t even mention how dingy has forced this socalled healthcare crap on us that we don’t want and will force out grandchildren to pay for this pissing away of tax payer funds… I guess thats just not that radical to a far left freak. Dingy is still down by 11 but I’m sure you and lib smear machine have much up your sleeve… Ya’ll sure did give up trying to smear Rand Paul in a hurry when it was a given he’ll easily win….

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JAY……..If Jane Fonda’s aiding the enemy–the VietNam Cong (your good buddies) during the WAR was not termed TRESON….then nothing does…Forget it.

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People are looking toward those Second Amendment remedies? If so, they need to be locked up as soon as possible. JAY wants to lock people up for thinking about fixing the bloated government.

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On the Glenn Beck series there was an interview about how socialist were going to take over the US. The FBI agent asked the socialist how many people did he expect to resist and his reply was 25million. The FBI aske what was the solution with so many people and the socialist said they had to be terminated if they could not be “retrained”. Beck has a handbook written by Jones one of Obama’s men who was asked to step down for making certain remarks.. 25million to be terminated or eliminated who would resist socialist take over. Jay you are the ignorant one, the dumbdown one, the uneducated one if you dont think the 2nd ammendment is viable and will be used. Is this the kind of political affliation you support? All I said is documented online at Glenn’s site. This is for all you resource hounds.

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Oh, and I said this half-dozen times yesterday, Angle’s comments were a political bluff. She was not advocating (threatening) an armed revolt. She used the possibility as an example to demonstrate why she should be elected. It’s the oldest trick in the book. She has a very specific, demographic base and she is arguing that “liberals” are a threat to her patriotic, American, freedom-loving, conservative base. Kind of like when Jay refers to her comments as “treason”. He is arguing that politicians like Angle (and her supporters) are a threat to his patriotic, American, freedom-loving, liberal base.

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Just so we’re all on the same page here, I was determined to be overly dramatic and lacking in credibility for opining about law enforcement’s use of firearms against civilians, and there is a blogger who is citing a second or third hand account of a book, which Glen Beck may or may not have read, alledging it is the government’s plan to kill 25 million Americans? C’mon willie.

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Adam Smith & Wesson

June 17th, 2010
8:38 am
It was not a book it was an interview with an FBI agent. The book was the socialist manual. What do you want–an alien space ship to come down from heaven and give you the galactic truth?

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willie, it’s amazing you use the alien/space ship analogy, remember the heaven’s gate mass suicide in San Diego in the 1990’s? just because the FBI has to investigate every loon and nut-job who publishes a pamphlet, doesn’t mean it is part of some grand conspiracy. If you lean a little more to the right than the left, so be it. As somebody once said; “that’s why God made chocolate AND vanilla”. but all this talk about Obama being a Marxist or a Socialist is just marketing for the likes of Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh. And if enough Americans start to listen, then politicians (from the left AND the right) will position themselves to grab that block of votes. Don’t you Obama-bashers see that he can’t be both a socialist AND a ruthless Chicago-trained politician. Obama is politician, just as Bush was, and Clinton was, and Reagan was. They don’t espouse an ideology; they use ideology as a weather vane to determine the best course of action to get elected. And once elected, they sell to the highest bidder. So, people like Angle (and Beck, and our host) fabricate these doomsday scenarios because it makes for good copy. You know how the three rules of real estate are; location, location, location? Well in politics it’s; fear, fear, fear. When a conservative is in office, it’s “fear the terrorists” or “fear Iran” or “fear North Korea”, but when a liberal is in office, it’s “fear the socialist agenda” or “fear the socialist leader who doesn’t fear Iran, North Korea, or al Qeaeda”. You (we) are all being played.

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The Second Amendment permitted people to defend themselves in a time when we didn’t have a solid police or military infrastructure built. That’s why it’s no longer relevant.

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here is the last “right” i have left, and this one is going quick, especialy becouse of bafones like you, “you are a idiot” you related to dick channy?, yaa so what i cant spell another good thing this gov. gave me…

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Thank you, Jay Bookman—excellent article….!

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Jay, your article suggests we toss out the 1st and 5th Ammendment. As much as I might not agree with Angle’s comments, I defend her right (and your right) to say what you think, and I support her (and your) 5th Ammendment right to justice. If you’re going to write about issues of politics, our Bill of Rights or the Constitution, please adhere to our principals and avoid damaging rhetoric. Once you shout out, “lock her up!”, you seem to suggest we abandon our rights…and careful, your right to freely share your ideas might be subject to someone else’s “finger on the button” to shut down the internet if they don’t like what you have to say. Angle is a bit extreme and I think she should have chosen what thoughts to share more carefully since she’s wanting our votes. But then again, let’s encourage free speech by politicians, let them announce all their thoughts openly…before we vote. I’d not vote for Angle now that she’s spoken, but shhhhhhhhhh….let’s let them all speak up and share so we know what we’re voting for!!!!
Art

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“If they suspend elections”, then you’d consider it an outlaw government? Well with a media that doesn’t report at all on the huge faults in your ‘voting machines’ and with the same companies making the machines that count paper ballots, that have been shown in numerous tests to be unreliable at best and an easy way to fix an election, so how sure are you that your elections are anything more than a show for the rabble? I don’t live in the U.S. any longer and you’d be amazed at the news that is in most outlets worldwide but never see the light of day in the U.S.S.A. Just how fixable your elections are and the corruption between the companies counting the votes and the corrupt whores in the legislature? You, like so many other sheep, take proven liars at their word. That’s pretty dumb.

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