‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason
Sharron Angle, the GOP nominee for U.S. Senate in Nevada, has espoused so many radical notions over the years that she’s had to be gagged for a few weeks by her Republican handlers while they attempt a political makeover.
However, no amount of makeup or image polishing can disguise the ugliness of some of her ideas. Consider, for example, her statement about the Second Amendment and Congress a few months ago during an interview with a conservative radio host (audio available here):
“You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?”
People are looking toward those Second Amendment remedies? If so, they need to be locked up as soon as possible.
Astonishingly, that viewpoint is being applauded in some quarters. For example, the editor of my former newspaper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, endorses Angle’s viewpoint in a blog post headlined “What do you think the Second Amendment is for? Rabbit hunting?”
Before we go any further, I think it’s important to define terms. Angle argues that the Second Amendment exists as insurance against a tyrannical government, and I agree. But how do you define “tyrannical government”? To my mind, it would be a government that cancels elections, that refuses to allow the peaceful transfer of authority, that uses military force to keep itself in power or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power.
In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.
However, to cite “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest treason. And that’s just what Angle and her ilk are doing. It is the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply antithetical to concepts of freedom.
People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.
In fact, it makes it more offensive.
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Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:23 pm
DDR
It’s his opening monologue from last night. Just go to Comedy Central.
josef nix
“and no one is calling for an accounting on those points, either…that’s scary.”
Now that’s an interesting thread topic….
Am I misremembering about the Bush years, or when stuff like that was posted about him, his supporters came out of the woodwork to argue for him, but now, Obama’s supporters go all silent….
Well, I suppose you could say Stewart and Olberman are talking… but it ain’t exactly a defense -
Pogo
June 16th, 2010
4:23 pm
This is the real threat Jay. Just for you and Amvet.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Once-a-government-pet-BP-now-a-capitalist-tool-95942659.html
Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:24 pm
Hey Bosch…
SCORE!!!!!!!!!!
And I had one earlier when you weren’t looking. Zipped right past ya’ -
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:24 pm
TaxPayer :
We don’t really know ………….. we’re still trying to discover it all.
Now a question for you. How long did it take for God to create all the matter in the known universe?
You know ……….. the big bang ………..
Lee
June 16th, 2010
4:29 pm
“In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies” says Jay.
Mercy me, is this the same Jay Bookman that has espoused the AJC diatribe against the Second Amendment in the past? Why, yes, I believe it is.
Now, he’s all ready to go rumble with the Obamacrats.
Glad to see your nut-sack finally dropped, Bookboy.
Atlanta 1
June 16th, 2010
4:31 pm
Will have to check the moon to night and see if the moon is ‘blue’ or if there pigs flying around. Bookman and I actually agree on something.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:34 pm
josef nix
Another point on that topic: I find AG Holder baffling. All that stuff from the monologue. All the behind the scenes stuff that’s not widely reported or taken up that cons would be ecstatic over. Then all the more-reported stuff that gets lots of more conservative types up in arms. Strange –
Scout
My two cents: why bother quantifying the unknowable?
” For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.–Psalm 90:4
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.–2 Peter 3:8″
Allegory. Not literalism.
Unless one really thinks God feels bound by the Julian calendar -
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
4:36 pm
PAUL
That’s why I’ve said what I have about it won’t be pretty when his supporters do turn on him for his inabilities to deliver pie in the sky (and it’s not just him, it’s every politician confronted with put up or shut up and it goes with the territory). His, though, actually believed, and many still do, that he was something different. That’s why I call him the Shabbatai Zvi. It’s not even that he called himself the saviour (no capital letter there, please note) but he certainly rode it in to office. Now there, he’s just another Bush.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
4:38 pm
How long did it take for God to create all the matter in the known universe?
You tell me and then perhaps I’ll have an answer regarding your beliefs on how long it took to “create” and populate the earth.
Dr. Pangloss
June 16th, 2010
4:42 pm
For more Sharron Angle nuttiness, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzfmLRJxzY
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
4:42 pm
PAUL
Holder scares the bee-jesus out of me…
Allegory? I think way too many on both sides of this discussion was absent the day Miz Jones taught that one in English lit…
Oh, Granddaddy’s line whenever somebody took to numerology and predicting the time of this, that or the other…”I don’t think G-d had the Julian calendar in mind when he was booming around during the “days” of creation…”
Pogo
June 16th, 2010
4:44 pm
And as much as I disdain references to Hitler and Nazi’s when used as political attack mechanisms, the last paragraph of the article I referenced above exactly describes our present national situation. It is the same situation and the same relationship Hitler and the Nazi’s had with pre-war Germany. They used anti-capitalist/nationlist/progressive zealotry and sentiment to gain power while at the same time lying in bed with the industrialists (to both of thems advantage, they THOUGHT). I mean, Hitler learned these tactics from the likes of Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt, both marxist/progressives of the same “ILK” as Obama.
We have many real reasons to be scared Jay and but it ain’t the lady from Nevada.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
4:48 pm
Holder scares the bee-jesus out of me…
And Cheney et al DIDN’T????
Hmmmm…..interesting………
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
4:49 pm
And as much as I hate to see others use words like Hitler and Nazi in a political context, Bush is Hitler re-incarnated. It’s true. Just sketch in the little moustache and see for yourself. Cheney is either Stalin or Mussolini or maybe even Hiter and Mussolini’s love child or something similar. They’re a bunch of socialist marxist conservatives. There, Pogo. You see now, don’t you.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
4:50 pm
Pogo making someone clean up the mess they made is not a conspiracy — we do it all the time with our kids, has BP gained more respect than your own kids?
Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:50 pm
josef nix
I think Obama wanted to be different. I do think he had a heatfelt vision of how things could be better. I’ve also said I thought he felt strongly enough about it that if following through cost him a second term, he was willing to risk it.
I do not think his Party or Congress has been a good partner. They have their own agenda and careers to protect. Rahm should’ve seen a lot of this coming.
I think he really believed early on what he said. I don’t think it was all calculating. But it’s the same way people say how they’re going to be when they’re married, or a parent, or get a supervisory position at work or serve on this board or that committee. Good intentions have a way of changing as other people and factors enter the mix.
I like your Granddaddy’s line. And no, the timeline for reincarnation doesn’t work out here -
Hillbilly Deluxe
June 16th, 2010
4:51 pm
Count me among those who don’t look back at the ’60’s with a wistful tear in my eye. I don’t remember all that many good things about it, although there were some. It was a time of great turmoil and I’d just as soon not see it again.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:51 pm
Paul:
Exactly.
Taxpayer:
We’re going to have to wait and ask “Him”.
Lee and Atlanta 1:
I already brought that up to Jay but he’s dodging it.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:53 pm
TaxPayer
“They’re a bunch of socialist marxist conservatives.”
Actually, they were liberals. Seriously.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:53 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe:
I kind of liked smacking the “hippies” around.
Hillbilly Deluxe
June 16th, 2010
4:56 pm
Scout
Well, I’ve never been big on smacking people around. If push comes to shove though, I damn sure ain’t gonna be the smackee.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
4:57 pm
It was exactly six days for the bible tells thee so just like it tells thee everything, verbatim and literally but never figuratively, allegorically speaking, naturally. After all, how could it not be any other way to a true believer. In the beginning there was… nothing. Or perhaps, everything.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
“HillBilly” : All legal of course.
Taxpayer: “In the beginning was the Word ……………. “
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
Scout’s fantasies of “smacking” people are rather amusing.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
5:01 pm
In the beginning was the ear.
Pogo
June 16th, 2010
5:03 pm
Ain’t against making em pay Debbie. Just don’t be fooled into thinking that the outcome of this is going to be pleasant. Obama is as much bought and paid for by BP as any politician around. He talks tough but he wants their money as all politicans do. They were right there with Obama until the oil rig disaster. And once again, he want to make the evil “big business” a villain even though prior to it he was more than willing to take their money for political reasons and went as far as to make them players in forming national policy.
pat
June 16th, 2010
5:03 pm
You’re over reacting….This congress has indeed shown smatterings of wanting to circumvent due process, strong arming and other such vileness to ram their agenda through. They haven’t been able to, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
The government should fear the people not the other way around. A little saber rattling is a good thing.
Hell, there was a lynch mob waiting for George Washington for his refusal to go to war with France…
Besides as, the good Rep. Bob Ethridge proved the other day, it’s democrats who take to violence when hear something they don’t like.
Abrazos
June 16th, 2010
5:03 pm
No worries, Second Amendment Tea Party Revolutionaries. Your 2nd Amendment iron-fisted gods, the NRA, got themselves exempted BY LAW in proposed legislation from having to disclose WHO THEY ARE when they spend their unlimited funds in the November elections as a result of the “Citizens United” ruling. So far the NRA is the ONLY exemption in the proposed disclosure law. Are they ashamed of what they advocate? Or do they just want to buy elections with more ads? I’d compare the politicians who went along with the exemptions to prostitutes, except I don’t like to insult prostitutes.
It’s dramatic and fun and all to pretend you’re a victim, but when the organization representing you has that total power, you rule.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:04 pm
Headline: “Violence Forces Closing of Parkland Along Mexico Border to Americans”
“About 3,500 acres of southern Arizona have been closed off to U.S. citizens due to increased violence at the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.”
Well, well “Jose” Obama ……… what say ye?
Paul
June 16th, 2010
5:04 pm
TaxPayer
“Scout’s fantasies of “smacking” people are rather amusing.”
(I don’t think he meant ‘hitting’).
“Make Love, Not War”
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:05 pm
Taxpayer:
……… and the best part was it was all legal !
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:07 pm
Uh Paul:
You had probably best stay out of this one …………….
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
RASMUSSEN POLL…
Obama Approval Falls to New Low: 42%
Obama Approval Index: -20
Paul
June 16th, 2010
5:11 pm
Scout
As I said, I like to see the humor.
http://www.calgarycostume.ca/70%60s/hippie%20girl.jpg
Sharron Angle: “Second Amendment Remedies” |
June 16th, 2010
5:12 pm
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TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
5:13 pm
Taxpayer:
……… and the best part was it was all legal !
Well, now that Paul has clarified your definition of smacking…
AmVet
June 16th, 2010
5:19 pm
Howdy Bookmaniacs. A very profitable day for the anti-capitalism AmVet.
Now if only human labor, or as we called it in the good old daysm work, was taxed at a 15% rate, while the hedge fund managers and paper shufflers were taxed at 25%, 28%, etc… Instead of the other way around.
Pogo, looked very quickly at the link you referenced. Not at all sure what your point is though. That cap-and-trade is just another giveaway to the big corporations? Duh…
As for the topic at hand, the ever-frightened cons are still pining for Charlton Heston’s cold, dead hands?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4
You better run
‘Cause I’m young, dumb and I’ve got a gun
Public idiot number one
‘Cause I’m young, dumb and I’ve got a gun
The constitution says that I’m so blessed
That I can clean my piece on the supreme court steps
My pretty gun
There’s many like it, yeah but this one’s mine
A good replacement for a lack of spine
When tribulation makes me need to unwind
And pierce the air like I’m in Palestine
Here’s my gun
Paul
June 16th, 2010
5:24 pm
AmVet
“Now if only human labor, or as we called it in the good old daysm work, was taxed at a 15% rate, while the hedge fund managers and paper shufflers were taxed at 25%, 28%, etc… Instead of the other way around.”
Now that’s a darn good question for Senate Democrats.
Been saving this for you all day. Posted it earlier, asked JohnnyReb why more super-cons aren’t in love with Pres Obama. Only josef watched and mentioned on the last page.
I figure you’re moonlighting, writing Stewart’s monologues –
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-june-15-2010-james-tabor
AmVet
June 16th, 2010
5:32 pm
Paul, because the Republisheep actually contend that BHO is a liberal! Bu then they contend they are… well you know.
In their world of inane sound bites, simple-minded sloganeering and prevarication-loaded nonsense, there are ALWAYS ONLY two options, you see.
Pepsi – Coke. Ford – GM. You’re with us or agin us.
Their stunted, controllable minds can conceive of little else.
They have no freaking clue; but other than to the extent they can wreck this country further, who cares? And the American electorate sent them one helluva message in 2006 and 2008. But they are so friggin’ dense and mule-headed they didn’t even notice they got slaughtered in epic fashion.
Yes, the dears are scared shiiteless that the big bad guvmint is gonna take away their guns and other childish drivel, but they miss a MUCH bigger point.
On this date in 1846, the first baseball game was played.
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
5:36 pm
DDR
“And Cheney et al DIDN’T???? ”
Where did you get that idea? Him and Rumsfeld have been in my nightmares since way before you were even a gleam in your daddy’s eye…
Is it okay with you if I look over BOTH my left and right shoulder?
Fat Ray
June 16th, 2010
5:45 pm
Jay
“But how do you define “tyrannical government”?”
Does that include government that overturns well settled bankruptcy law to reward political allies at the expense of others? How about a government that mandates an individual to pay money to buy a product he does not want from a private company?
jt
June 16th, 2010
5:46 pm
Although, most people who advocate seat-belt laws, income taxes, anti-smoking laws,etc… are beyond hope, there is always a slight chance for one of you to climb out of the dark pit of statism and authoritism. Deep down inside , you realize that you are just scared of freedom. There is nothing to be afraid of. Your neighbor is a better friend than Uncle Sam.
This guy will help.
The Political Thought of Étienne de la Boétie
“It is true that in the beginning men submit under constraint and by force; but those who come after them obey without regret and perform willingly what their predecessors had done because they had to. This is why men born under the yoke and then nourished and reared in slavery are content, without further effort, to live in their native circumstance, unaware of any other state or right, and considering as quite natural the condition into which they are born … the powerful influence of custom is in no respect more compelling than in this, namely, habituation to subjection.”
Paul
June 16th, 2010
5:47 pm
Oh heck, I suppose it’s tradition.
Shoulda’ linked this earlier when the passionate ones were about.
The pics are so-so but the lyrics are genius –
http://vodpod.com/watch/2784458-trigger-happy-weird-al-yankovic
jt
June 16th, 2010
5:49 pm
Don’t be afraid dear Sheople—————-Throw off the yokes of the Fed. Your free neighbors will help. And they will ask nothing in return.
” Plays, farces, spectacles, gladiators, strange beasts, medals, pictures, and other such opiates, these were for ancient peoples the bait toward slavery, the price of their liberty, the instruments of tyranny. By these practices and enticements the ancient dictators so successfully lulled their subjects under the yoke, that the stupefied peoples, fascinated by the pastimes and vain pleasures flashed before their eyes, learned subservience as naively, but not so creditably, as little children learn to read by looking at bright picture books.”
jt
June 16th, 2010
5:51 pm
Specious ideology, mystery, circuses; in addition to these purely propagandistic devices, another device is used by rulers to gain the consent of their subjects: purchase by material benefits, bread as well as circuses. The distribution of this largesse to the people is also a method, and a particularly cunning one, of duping them into believing that they benefit from tyrannical rule. They do not realize that they are in fact only receiving a small proportion of the wealth already filched from them by their rulers.
jt
June 16th, 2010
5:54 pm
It is a tough job. And often thankless.
How is tyranny concretely to be overthrown, if it is cemented upon society by habit, privilege and propaganda? How are the people to be brought to the point where they will decide to withdraw their consent? In the first place, affirms La Boétie, not all the people will be deluded or sunk into habitual submission. There is always a more percipient, elite who will understand the reality of the situation; “there are always a few, better endowed than others, who feel the weight of the yoke and cannot restrain themselves from attempting to shake it off.” These are the people who, in contrast to “the brutish mass,” possess clear and far-sighted minds, and “have further trained them by study and learning.” Such people never quite disappear from the world: “Even if liberty had entirely perished from the earth, such men would invent it.”
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
5:54 pm
PAUL
“Oh heck, I suppose it’s tradition.”
no, no…RENDItion
“…without our renditions, our lives would be as shaky…as shaky as a fiddler on the roof…”
RW-(the original)
June 16th, 2010
5:57 pm
AmVet,
I think you’re about three days early on the anniversary of the “first” baseball game which supposedly was played on June 19, 1846, but a box score got printed in a newspaper in 1845 which would seem to put the 1846 game in doubt too. The difference seems to be that they call the 1846 game to be the first recorded game.
AmVet
June 16th, 2010
5:59 pm
Paul, funny stuff.
Until you consider that is almost a certainty that he and everybody in that audience voted for GWB II.
And ONLY NOW are they starting to see what a complete fraud this guy is?
Well, as I noted earlier, the Demosheep may be mighty slow on the uptake but they are veritable child prodigies compared to the Republiconned who STILL haven’t figured out what frauds their boys were!
Scout
June 16th, 2010
6:00 pm
Fat Ray:
Here is what Jefferson said about the subject:
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson
Dusty
June 16th, 2010
6:00 pm
As far as I am concerned which isn’t far, Bookman has taken his lib followers by their ring noses and led them around the treason. block. Ring around the rosy to get cozy with Harry Reid and smear his opponent.
How well it goes!! Treason, my friends, treason I tell you. Give me Democrats or give me ….well…treason will do. So speaks our Patrick O’Henry Bookman. He bares his teeth and raises his pinkies in protest at this violent onslaught on liberty by mz. Angle. Oh, en garde, fair female for tomorrow you die !
Gets kinda pathetic when Bookman gets all riled and rumpled. Maybe we should remind him that Palin is still making headlines and he is free to dream on tra la about his favorite Republican.
jt
June 16th, 2010
6:01 pm
And for all of you people who have had their houses re-possessed for taxes so that some art school could survive, or had their fathers jailed for smoking some weed, or had their family farms seized for some tax-generating scheme, or the 15 year-old girl who stood up to a local judge and was ridiculed,
Remember this——————————-
Tyrants live in constant and perpetual fear of the well-deserved hatred they know is borne them by every one of their subjects. Courtiers and favorites live miserable, crawling, cringing lives every moment of which is bent on servilely fawning upon the ruler on whom they depend. Eventually, as enlightenment spreads among the public, the privileged favorites will begin to realize the true misery of their lot, for all their wealth can be seized from them at any moment should they fall out of step in the race for the favors of the king. When they “look at themselves as they really are . . . they will realize clearly that the townspeople, the peasants whom they trample under foot and treat worse than convicts or slaves … are nevertheless, in comparison with themselves, better off and fairly free.”
Scout
June 16th, 2010
6:01 pm
Jay:
Here is a good quote for yesterday regarding our country’s place in the world …………..
“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” Thomas Paine
Jay
June 16th, 2010
6:01 pm
You’re so sweet and understanding, Dusty.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
6:03 pm
Dusty:
LOL ! LOL !
Bring it on ……………
Scout
June 16th, 2010
6:03 pm
Just remember treason spelled backwards is nosaert !
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
6:06 pm
gone upstairs…
jt
June 16th, 2010
6:06 pm
In closing-
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Paul/Napolitano 2012
I know that liberty is frightening to most, but ya’ll will HAVE to try it soon. Might as well get used to it.
Dusty
June 16th, 2010
6:16 pm
Thank you, Jay,. I thought you would like it sweet…
Leif Rakur
June 16th, 2010
7:06 pm
The Second Amendment of the Constitution simply applies principles annunciated by the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration of Independence declares it to be “the right of the people” to abolish a government that is destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and for the people to “provide new guards for their future security.” The Second Amendment says a well regulated militia is necessary to such security and adds that “the right of the people” to provide that militia service “shall not be infringed.”
Scout
June 16th, 2010
7:37 pm
Leif Rakur :
To “abolish” a government that has strayed that far is almost an impossibility due to the political, military and police power it has.
China, Iran, North Korea, etc. have enough people to pull it off even without weapons if they all acted in concert. Folks usually just cower down.
Brett
June 16th, 2010
7:47 pm
“Turn this country around” – to what?? The stench it has become in the past 30 years?? 20 out of 29 years with Republiscum presidents. Duh. Yup!
Thogwummpy
June 16th, 2010
8:42 pm
Ever notice how liberals are completely deaf to the vile hatred that flows non-stop from the Left? I didn’t hear a peep out of Jay when a Democrat congressman said that Bush should be killed…did you?
Dr. Pangloss
June 16th, 2010
9:30 pm
Scout
June 16th, 2010
5:10 pm
RASMUSSEN POLL…
Obama Approval Falls to New Low: 42%
Obama Approval Index: -20
———-
The real polls have him holding steady at 50%. Rasmussen is the Fox News of polls.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 16th, 2010
9:47 pm
Ugliness? Your opinion. It’s not like any of the lefty loonies have “ugliness” ideas (like taking money from taxpayers and giving it to deadbeats).
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 16th, 2010
9:49 pm
Dr. Pangloss – time for the Louisiana Oil kool-aide if you think NObama’s rating is really 50%. He is so ONE TERM.
Old Man
June 16th, 2010
11:02 pm
“Before we go any further, I think it’s important to define terms. Angle argues that the Second Amendment exists as insurance against a tyrannical government, and I agree.”
I do not agree. The Second Amendment was crafted by James Madison as a sweetener to encourage the southern colonies to ratify the Constitution. The South needed militias to enforce the slave system. Southern militias couldn’t even help in the war for independence because there was a constant and continuous threat of slave revolts. This was not in controversy until the early 20th century, when bookleggers needed guns to fight off the republican prohibition amendment.
It is well documented and you can read about it here:
Synopsis:
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/hidhist.htm
The full review here:
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Bogus2.htm
To think that these people believe their gun-show pea shooters will keep them safe from a fully orgainized military.
vuduchld
June 16th, 2010
11:15 pm
What you are saying in your article is what I have been saying all along. These sub-humans are no better than Timothy McVeigh oor John Wilkes Booth. Why is it that the media keep propping these monkeys up? They have nothing to say, and are more adept at doing nothing, but cooking, smoking and selling meth. When is it that someone in our nation spew out treason and nothing is done. Two police officers were killed and four others wounded in Arkansas several weeks ago by this ilk. These people are terrorists, no better than the Taliban or al-Qeada. It’s time these monkeys be rouded up and shot for the scum they are.
FredMars
June 16th, 2010
11:15 pm
Although I would prefer banning handguns, I’d accept banning idiots from Georgia as a very good compromise. It’s certainly improve our government and education – not to mention the impact on road safety!
Joe
June 17th, 2010
12:49 am
Seems you forgot to mention the radical words spoken by dingy Harry Jay. Like the war is lost we may as well give up and come home… Telling children that the sitting President is a loser. Saying that our men fighting in the War on Terror are killing innocent civilians… Things like that Jaybird. I didn’t even mention how dingy has forced this socalled healthcare crap on us that we don’t want and will force out grandchildren to pay for this pissing away of tax payer funds… I guess thats just not that radical to a far left freak. Dingy is still down by 11 but I’m sure you and lib smear machine have much up your sleeve… Ya’ll sure did give up trying to smear Rand Paul in a hurry when it was a given he’ll easily win….
Rightwing Troll
June 17th, 2010
6:13 am
Yah, If November doesn’t go my way, I’m all for those “second amendment remedies”…
It’s the teatard way…
A CONSERVATIVE
June 17th, 2010
7:00 am
JAY……..If Jane Fonda’s aiding the enemy–the VietNam Cong (your good buddies) during the WAR was not termed TRESON….then nothing does…Forget it.
A CONSERVATIVE
June 17th, 2010
7:04 am
JAY….IF OBAMA’s (your buddy) attacks on America while visiting the enemy’s back yard is not TRESON…nothing is…OBAMA attacks America everywhere he goes.
kludsf
June 17th, 2010
7:32 am
People are looking toward those Second Amendment remedies? If so, they need to be locked up as soon as possible. JAY wants to lock people up for thinking about fixing the bloated government.
mike
June 17th, 2010
7:51 am
LOL. Oh please, mighty hypocrite, tell us who else is not patriotic.
Tell us again that you are different than Glenn Beck. Maybe you will believe it some day.
williebkind
June 17th, 2010
8:21 am
On the Glenn Beck series there was an interview about how socialist were going to take over the US. The FBI agent asked the socialist how many people did he expect to resist and his reply was 25million. The FBI aske what was the solution with so many people and the socialist said they had to be terminated if they could not be “retrained”. Beck has a handbook written by Jones one of Obama’s men who was asked to step down for making certain remarks.. 25million to be terminated or eliminated who would resist socialist take over. Jay you are the ignorant one, the dumbdown one, the uneducated one if you dont think the 2nd ammendment is viable and will be used. Is this the kind of political affliation you support? All I said is documented online at Glenn’s site. This is for all you resource hounds.
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 17th, 2010
8:24 am
old man, which of course produced the National Firearms Act (circa 1930), prohibiting civilians from owning automatic weapons. Do you people see how this (government) works? Via pressure from fundamentalist (there’s an odd word) Christians and the termperance movement, the government amends the Constitution and bans the distilation, distribution and consumption of alcohol. The government essentially criminalizes a once legal act, then argues it must criminalize automatic weapons (also previously legal), in order to enforce the law. It’s a shell game, folks. The “common defence” or a very skewed notion of “domestic tranquility” trump, “the Blessings of liberty”. Those in power are only interested in maintaining power and they will “cut deals” with any group (right wing Christians, unions, corporate interests) that will allow them to maintain control. In essence, our freedom(s) is the currency the current politico uses to “serve” the public. Kinda makes you want to drink, doesn’t it?
Jay
June 17th, 2010
8:26 am
So Willie, Obama is plotting to terminate 25 million Americans?
And it’s all documented at Glenn Beck’s website?
Good to know.
williebkind
June 17th, 2010
8:30 am
Can the militia own automatic weapons or do they have to use muzzle loaders? Speaking of violence, it has been the progressive liberals who have used violence in demonstrations against those who have idealogy different from the liberal ideology. I have seen it very recently.
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 17th, 2010
8:31 am
Oh, and I said this half-dozen times yesterday, Angle’s comments were a political bluff. She was not advocating (threatening) an armed revolt. She used the possibility as an example to demonstrate why she should be elected. It’s the oldest trick in the book. She has a very specific, demographic base and she is arguing that “liberals” are a threat to her patriotic, American, freedom-loving, conservative base. Kind of like when Jay refers to her comments as “treason”. He is arguing that politicians like Angle (and her supporters) are a threat to his patriotic, American, freedom-loving, liberal base.
williebkind
June 17th, 2010
8:37 am
Jay, yep, I saw the program. You should watch Beck. It may start you looking over your shoulder or at your political friends.
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 17th, 2010
8:38 am
Just so we’re all on the same page here, I was determined to be overly dramatic and lacking in credibility for opining about law enforcement’s use of firearms against civilians, and there is a blogger who is citing a second or third hand account of a book, which Glen Beck may or may not have read, alledging it is the government’s plan to kill 25 million Americans? C’mon willie.
williebkind
June 17th, 2010
8:39 am
Jay, really, I did not say Obama but I did say socialists–like Jones who is Obama’s political buddy. Are you saying Obama fits that profile?
williebkind
June 17th, 2010
8:41 am
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 17th, 2010
8:38 am
It was not a book it was an interview with an FBI agent. The book was the socialist manual. What do you want–an alien space ship to come down from heaven and give you the galactic truth?
Jay
June 17th, 2010
8:47 am
Only if that “galactic truth” is “documented” at Glenn Beck’s website, willie.
Because otherwise, how would we know it was true?
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 17th, 2010
8:59 am
willie, it’s amazing you use the alien/space ship analogy, remember the heaven’s gate mass suicide in San Diego in the 1990’s? just because the FBI has to investigate every loon and nut-job who publishes a pamphlet, doesn’t mean it is part of some grand conspiracy. If you lean a little more to the right than the left, so be it. As somebody once said; “that’s why God made chocolate AND vanilla”. but all this talk about Obama being a Marxist or a Socialist is just marketing for the likes of Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh. And if enough Americans start to listen, then politicians (from the left AND the right) will position themselves to grab that block of votes. Don’t you Obama-bashers see that he can’t be both a socialist AND a ruthless Chicago-trained politician. Obama is politician, just as Bush was, and Clinton was, and Reagan was. They don’t espouse an ideology; they use ideology as a weather vane to determine the best course of action to get elected. And once elected, they sell to the highest bidder. So, people like Angle (and Beck, and our host) fabricate these doomsday scenarios because it makes for good copy. You know how the three rules of real estate are; location, location, location? Well in politics it’s; fear, fear, fear. When a conservative is in office, it’s “fear the terrorists” or “fear Iran” or “fear North Korea”, but when a liberal is in office, it’s “fear the socialist agenda” or “fear the socialist leader who doesn’t fear Iran, North Korea, or al Qeaeda”. You (we) are all being played.
anon45
June 17th, 2010
12:19 pm
This author is obviously both historically illiterate and a blind supporter of the tyranny of the majority.
This is because the author ignores (or more likely is not aware) of the form of tyranny that the American Revolution fought against – primarily unjust taxation and control of trade. The Founders included much discussion of militias (note: NOT centralized military like we have today), the Second Amendment, and bearing arms – specifically to counter a centralized government that takes over not only in the political sphere but also – and ignored by this blogger – in the economic sphere.
That is why this blogger is an idiot and needs to rethink his worldview. If he understood the purpose – and the valid use – of the Second Amendment, he’d realize that it is nigh time to “use” it again today, because today’s government would certainly have been recognized as a tyrant by the Founders, who created the Second Amendment and related ideas (and actions) based on their similar experience with taxation and central planning/political control as we are experiencing today. Substitute Washington DC for King George, substitute the thousand miles between the 13 colonies and England with today’s thousands of miles of territory controlled by the elites in DC, with disproportionate – and illegal/unconstitutional powers and taxes – emanating from the central tyrant.
Idiot blogger.
Pete Bogs
June 17th, 2010
12:50 pm
The Second Amendment permitted people to defend themselves in a time when we didn’t have a solid police or military infrastructure built. That’s why it’s no longer relevant.
cowboy guy
June 18th, 2010
5:48 am
what libertys??????
cowboy guy
June 18th, 2010
5:52 am
here is the last “right” i have left, and this one is going quick, especialy becouse of bafones like you, “you are a idiot” you related to dick channy?, yaa so what i cant spell another good thing this gov. gave me…
cowboy guy
June 18th, 2010
5:54 am
mr. pete bogs better pull his head out of his ass before gov. locks him up for something he didnt do, ya that never happens????
RockyMissouri
June 18th, 2010
1:22 pm
Thank you, Jay Bookman—excellent article….!
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Art
June 28th, 2010
11:23 am
Jay, your article suggests we toss out the 1st and 5th Ammendment. As much as I might not agree with Angle’s comments, I defend her right (and your right) to say what you think, and I support her (and your) 5th Ammendment right to justice. If you’re going to write about issues of politics, our Bill of Rights or the Constitution, please adhere to our principals and avoid damaging rhetoric. Once you shout out, “lock her up!”, you seem to suggest we abandon our rights…and careful, your right to freely share your ideas might be subject to someone else’s “finger on the button” to shut down the internet if they don’t like what you have to say. Angle is a bit extreme and I think she should have chosen what thoughts to share more carefully since she’s wanting our votes. But then again, let’s encourage free speech by politicians, let them announce all their thoughts openly…before we vote. I’d not vote for Angle now that she’s spoken, but shhhhhhhhhh….let’s let them all speak up and share so we know what we’re voting for!!!!
Art
JimRed
July 5th, 2010
4:26 pm
“However, to cite “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest treason.”
When the actions of the Congress and the executive branch are treasonous, eschewing the Constitution and shoving Marxist changes down the throats of the populace, they may well force the 2nd Amendment remedy to be used.
paladin2
September 1st, 2010
2:13 am
“If they suspend elections”, then you’d consider it an outlaw government? Well with a media that doesn’t report at all on the huge faults in your ‘voting machines’ and with the same companies making the machines that count paper ballots, that have been shown in numerous tests to be unreliable at best and an easy way to fix an election, so how sure are you that your elections are anything more than a show for the rabble? I don’t live in the U.S. any longer and you’d be amazed at the news that is in most outlets worldwide but never see the light of day in the U.S.S.A. Just how fixable your elections are and the corruption between the companies counting the votes and the corrupt whores in the legislature? You, like so many other sheep, take proven liars at their word. That’s pretty dumb.