‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason
Sharron Angle, the GOP nominee for U.S. Senate in Nevada, has espoused so many radical notions over the years that she’s had to be gagged for a few weeks by her Republican handlers while they attempt a political makeover.
However, no amount of makeup or image polishing can disguise the ugliness of some of her ideas. Consider, for example, her statement about the Second Amendment and Congress a few months ago during an interview with a conservative radio host (audio available here):
“You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?”
People are looking toward those Second Amendment remedies? If so, they need to be locked up as soon as possible.
Astonishingly, that viewpoint is being applauded in some quarters. For example, the editor of my former newspaper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, endorses Angle’s viewpoint in a blog post headlined “What do you think the Second Amendment is for? Rabbit hunting?”
Before we go any further, I think it’s important to define terms. Angle argues that the Second Amendment exists as insurance against a tyrannical government, and I agree. But how do you define “tyrannical government”? To my mind, it would be a government that cancels elections, that refuses to allow the peaceful transfer of authority, that uses military force to keep itself in power or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power.
In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.
However, to cite “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest treason. And that’s just what Angle and her ilk are doing. It is the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply antithetical to concepts of freedom.
People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.
In fact, it makes it more offensive.
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jt
June 16th, 2010
3:12 pm
Bosch
yes.
Jay knows all.
I thought you were going to ignore my comments.
jewcowboy
June 16th, 2010
3:13 pm
“but the police and the military are the only ones with the right to use them indiscriminately.”
Uh-oh jt…we may have new nomination for the Oscar in a Drama.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:13 pm
DebbieDoRight :
You are wasting a lot of time and energy on this.
Yes, that’s the definition of treason ……. but you have to be convicted or …….. guess what ………. you haven’t been treasonous. That’s the way the law works.
Did O.J. murder his wife and her friend? The law says no.
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
3:13 pm
PAUL
I have indeed enjoyed the two-step with the Brigham Reid and now Nasty Nanci’s been talking about her conversations with G-d, there’s Etheridge in North Carolina and Greene in South Carolina…I think my Kundera camel just went, not down the Bruin’s rabbit hole, but certainly behind the looking glass…
G-d! I love America!
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
3:14 pm
So, Scout has a virtual jog to get his armchair warmed up first thing in the morning. Wiiiii!
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:14 pm
jewcowboy……
gonna start referring to you as “bada bum”
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:14 pm
Scout: By the way are you keeping up with the number of States who are going to court against the Federal government on the Obamacare thing as well as the “firearms manufactured solely within their state” cases?
How’s that going for them? I know one of the state’s that talked about suing was Louisiana….you know the state that’s now asking the evil Federal government for help, another one is Georgia who depends upon the Feds for 65% of it’s income!! I’m really interested on how this will come out in the wash…..to me it’s like suing your mother for giving birth to you…..totally a waste of time!!!
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:15 pm
DebbieDoRight :
By the way, Johnson issued that amnesty after Congress couldn’t get Davis tried and hung.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
3:16 pm
Debbie,
Scout also believes that the earth was “created” and fully populated in seven, er, um, excuse me, six days.
Scooter
June 16th, 2010
3:16 pm
All those people who bought that ammunition weren’t buying it to hunt rabbits, to borrow the Vegas headline phrase.
You are right Jay! Some of us were buying it to hunt deer,turkey,hogs, elk and moose, and for no other reason,period.
ODDOWL
June 16th, 2010
3:16 pm
Rowdy Rand Paul, Broom “drill baby” Palin and Angle are confused rebels without a plan. Why can’t the Republicans come up with a plan ??? Their only plan seem to be one that criticise, condemn and denounce Democrats plans. The Democrats have many great plans to put America back on the right track. The planless Republicans just throw chit up against the wall to see what will stick… As leaders of the House Republican minority, Johnny the Bull Boehner and Eric pretty boy Cantor are miserable failures. Both of them will be defeated in their bids for re-election. Mean Mitch McConnell will retire at the end of his Senate term. so he can spend more time enjoying his tasty Asian fruit… Democrats will increase their majorities in both the House and the Senate. Apparently there isn’t anyone in the whole Republican party who can even challenge the power and might of Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid. “Democrats rule baby.”
4T9
June 16th, 2010
3:16 pm
Really? With political races in Georgia, you’re focused on Nevada? Really? Why?
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:18 pm
Scout: DebbieDoRight : You are wasting a lot of time and energy on this. Yes, that’s the definition of treason ……. but you have to be convicted or …….. guess what ………. you haven’t been treasonous. That’s the way the law works. Did O.J. murder his wife and her friend? The law says no.
Ok. Put simply you didn’t read it. Got ya!!
jt
June 16th, 2010
3:18 pm
Sounds to me like Matilda needs some waltzing,
to reality.
Oh well, everyone needs a daddy. Obama will do ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
for some.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:20 pm
josef nix
In the spirit of your earlier post (get it? Spirit? A religious allusion?) I don’t know if you were around when people on this blog were going on and on about “how could anyone vote for Mitt Romney? I mean, the guy’s a Mormon for pete’s sake and those people believe super-nutty stuff! Sure he was raised in it, but he’s an adult and chose to stay so he really believes. How can we support a person with such obviously flawed judgment?”
I pointed out Sen Reid’s a member of the LDS Church. Was a convert when he was an adult. Then converted his wife. And it rather puts the lie to the idea their leaders pull their strings and all Mormons think the same. (A charge made, BTW, by the same folks who get all agitated if such comments (that group or those people are all the same) are made regarding a group they favor).
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:20 pm
Your Grandfathers and uncles had guns, every one of you reading this. YOU are alive because sometime in your family history, your ancestors were better shots than the people shooting at them. Before guns, your ancestors were better swordsmen, archers, or just had bigger clubs. You are alive because of weapons.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:20 pm
jt,
I am, I just wanted to make you more paranoid.
JohnnyReb
June 16th, 2010
3:21 pm
Jay, I concede the addtional Angle comments you posted did allow me to better understand your original thoughts. However, I still don’t agree that Angle is supporting armed revolution, which your post suggests. In fact, I interpret “That’s why I look at this as almost an imperative.” If we don’t win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?” as legitimate concern of just how many Americans are not willing to continue the loss of Liberty from the Obama administration and the Democratic congress. I suggest that you should take her comments seriously instead of trying to paint her as a lune or demon.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:21 pm
“to me it’s like suing your mother for giving birth to you…..totally a waste of time!!!”
Debbie, you just made me snort.
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 16th, 2010
3:22 pm
jewcowboy (is that like Gene Wilder in the Frisco Kid?), No drama, just a fact. I’m not some right wing tea party fool. In fact, if you’ve followed my posts, this whole issue is much ado about nothing because the the 2nd amendment sin’t going anywhere. It’s like when the pro-abortion crowd starts warbling about Bush appointees tot he SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade ain’t going anywhere). The 2nd Amendment is like the “little kid’s table” at the big family dinner. There is a “grown-up” (government)right to bear arms and there is a kids (2nd amendment) right to bear arms. So let’s forget about drama and look at the irony in this blog. Jay Bookman is expressing concerns about “treason” and “threats” because a politician expressed concerns about second amendment remedies to a tyrannical government.
Normal
June 16th, 2010
3:23 pm
Another funny to lighten up the blog…
During a recent password audit, it was found that a blonde was using the following password:
“MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLouieDeweyDonaldGoofySacramento”
When asked why she had such a long password, she said she was told that it had to be -
At least 8 characters long and include at least one capital.
jewcowboy
June 16th, 2010
3:23 pm
BADA BING,
“your ancestors were better shots than the people shooting at them.”
Or they could run really really fast…
“You are alive because of weapons.”
Or despite them…
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:24 pm
REb,
“many Americans are not willing to continue the loss of Liberty from the Obama administration and the Democratic congress”
What liberties have you lost? Specifically.
jewcowboy,
I’d like to nominate Reb for our Drama King.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:24 pm
Scout: DebbieDoRight- By the way, Johnson issued that amnesty after Congress couldn’t get Davis tried and hung.
Scout, again, Johnson didn’t NEED Congress. According to Article III, Section III, of the Constitution all he needed were two witnesses to each treasonous act. Witness #1 could’ve been the his own handwritten orders to the troops – Witness #2 could’ve been his taking the role as “President” of the Southern states.
larry
June 16th, 2010
3:24 pm
The Tea Party Express endorsed on Wednesday a little known Alaska candidate in a bid to oust an incumbent Republican senator who is part of the Senate GOP leadership.
The group is backing Joe Miller in Alaska’s Republican senate primary. In a statement, the Tea Party Express “vows to defeat” Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who is vice chairman of the Senate Republican Conference.
jewcowboy
June 16th, 2010
3:25 pm
Adam Smith & Wesson,
When one states that police and military can use their weapons “indiscriminately”, one loses all credibility.
larry
June 16th, 2010
3:26 pm
The snake keeps swallowing its own tail
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:26 pm
Debbie:
I read it all. No one was ever convicted of treason.
Taxpayer:
Actually, the earth is millions/billions of years old. We don’t know for sure.
jewcowboy
June 16th, 2010
3:26 pm
Bosch,
“I’d like to nominate Reb for our Drama King.”
Soooo many to chose from…
Doggone/GA
June 16th, 2010
3:27 pm
“Did you know that Jay can see what you type as you type it?”
No, no…you have to get it “right”…he can see what you’re going to type before you do it!
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:27 pm
jewcowboy:
It is hard to find someone who will debate honestly isn’t it?
casual observer
June 16th, 2010
3:27 pm
Let me see? Is the columnist trying to say that Harry Reid’s record is better? Is the crux of the article meant to damage the Republican candidate in order to make Harry Reid look sensible and worthy of re-election? That my friend is the epitome of propaganda. If you for one milisecond while reading this article felt that you should now back the flawed agenda of Reid and the bumbling adminstration. You my friend may need to move to South Carolina and join the new campaign for election of Alvin Greene. Look him up! That’s the camp “Weasel Boy” pitches his tent.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:28 pm
larry
Zen moment?
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
3:29 pm
PAUL
I wasn’t around the blog, then, but I can imagine! When Salt Lake City extended benefits to same sex couples, and I put in my hmmmm there on Ima Gonna’s foot dragging, not a peep! Same thing when I brought up his “religious convictions” for being in support of Prop 8, pointing out that his church brand, the United Church of Christ, had been in the forefront of the struggle for equal civil rights for homosexuals, or his inviting the preacher Warren, something which some said they had “no problem with.” Where were the Baptist Bashers on the left, then? Strangely silent.
It’s all rather funny when you just sit back and listen…
Normal
June 16th, 2010
3:29 pm
I just shot an elephant in my pajamas…how he got in my pajamas, I’ll never know…
After all, I had loaned them to Larry Craig…
Matilda
June 16th, 2010
3:29 pm
Scout,
Do you think I’m stupid enough to believe this “states rights” rubbish has anything to do with MY rights? Already I don’t have a single representative at the state or national level who gives a gosh darn what I think, and they point that out with varying degrees of eloquence whenever I write to them. “States rights” in 2010 means exactly the following: “That *bleep* in the White House is not going to tell ME what to do!” Don’t you dare insult the intelligence of the good people here by trying to sugar coat that one. It is what it is.
I appreciate your salty Marine schtick and all, but with every post, you sound more and more like a traitor to me. Just my opion, to which I believe I’m still entitled, even though NO ONE who “represents” me seems to care.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:31 pm
DebbieDoRight”
Your reasoning is starting to baffle me …………. this is from your post :
“No treason charges were filed”
You still have to be “convicted” in court. The president cannot “pronounce” you treasonous.
md
June 16th, 2010
3:32 pm
“Constitutional republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the perceived threat of majoritarianism, thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the “tyranny of the majority” by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[2] The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify.”
Interesting concept considering it no longer works.
When 2 neighbors decide to pay their bills using a third neighbors income, the system is broken.
One must only look to Oregon and the recently passed healthcare bill for examples. The system was not meant to “target” a group of individuals for the benefit of another group of individuals. I can see the third neighbor’s inclination to resort to the 2nd amendment against the other 2 neighbors (ie gov’t), common sense dictates self defense.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:32 pm
Normal? Everything okay over there?
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:33 pm
Scout: Debbie: I read it all. No one was ever convicted of treason.
You must’ve missed this part……
For example, Mildred Gillars, a U.S. citizen who became known as Axis Sally, was convicted of treason for broadcasting demoralizing propaganda to Allied forces in Europe from a Nazi radio station in Germany during World War II.
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
3:33 pm
Scout
“Actually, the earth is millions/billions of years old. We don’t know for sure.”
I was going to jump in there, but you beat me to it…having actually engaged you in conversation on this subject before…
Normal
Was it South Carolina’s Pink Elephant, referred to by his Dem opponent as “light in the loafers?”
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:33 pm
Despite them? Jewboy, Nobody stayed alive by not using weapons.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:35 pm
Debbie :
I was talking about Jefferson Davis, et al. Of course people have been convicted of treason including I think an FBI agent.
josef:
As always thank you, but Taxpayer is one of those who doesn’t like to engage in reasoned debate.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:35 pm
josef nix
‘It’s all rather funny when you just sit back and listen…’
One can either get all worked up and angry, or laugh.
I like seeing the humor and laughing.
JohnnyReb
June 16th, 2010
3:35 pm
TO Jay, Bosch, and others of the same persuasion – you guys are not taking the oppostion to what is happening in this country seriously. You think people like me are crazies, wingnuts, etc., or a drama king. That when someone like Angle speaks up and wins that America is going to hell in a handbasket – re, Jay’s comments on what has America come to?” Make fun of Rush, Glen Beck, Hannity, Marke Levine, Neal Bortz, etc. if you chose. The tide is against you. Look at the ballot box. Look at the polls. Look at the TV ratings for political networks. America has buyers remorse with Obama, and even the Left political shows are beginning to state it. Jay will, and probably before November.
Scooter
June 16th, 2010
3:36 pm
Normal
June 16th, 2010
3:23 pm
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:37 pm
DebbieDoRight:
Again ……….. this is from your own post:
“As in any other criminal trial in the United States, a defendant charged with treason is presumed innocent until proved guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.”
“Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it.”
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:38 pm
We modern men have it easy. Ancient men left their caves with a weapon in their hand, every day. Wild animals and other tribes were constant threats. Unarmed men did not survive to reproduce. Imagine being a target every time you leave your house, kind of like the inner cities today in America.
Jay
June 16th, 2010
3:38 pm
JohnnyReb, if that’s what happens, fine. The political process goes on, and we’ll work it out.
But talk of “Second Amendment remedies” to shortcircuit the political process are unacceptable attempts to inject intimidation into the mix.
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:39 pm
Scout – DDR
“No one was ever convicted of treason.”
We’re way past those quaint conventions. Pres Obama leads the new way: put out a hit with a Predator and a Hellfire (Anwar al Awlaki).
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 16th, 2010
3:39 pm
so, the two examples I cited (Kathryn Johnson murder and Amadou Dialo murder) are examples of judicious, discriminating use of firearms by law enforcement. How about the USMC sniper who shot and killed a goat herder in west Texas a few years back, because the kid (teenager) had a single single shot bolt action .22 he used to shoot coyotes (as is his 2nd Amendment right). And as I said, in the case of Brian Nichols, a law enforcement office did not secure her weapon, which allowed it to be taken by a criminal, who then used it to kill four people. Don’t mistake me for some “chicken little/they’re coming to take our guns” fool. This is just a fact of life. And, if you look a little closer, three of the four examples I cited are directly related to the war on drugs. Why are drugs illegal? They weren’t illegal when the Bill of RIghts was ratified? Cocaine became illegal around 1914 and I think marijuana a few years later. Why, so the police can kick in your door (with guns drawn) if they suspect you are using or possessing illegal drugs. And as I noted, go back a couple hundred years and Google “Whiskey Rebellion”. In order to pay for the Revolutionary War, the federal government levied a tax on whiskey. When farmers (mostly in western PA) refused, Washington sent in federal troops. In fact, he led the troops as well. You know, “drama” is an interesting word, because that’s all this (Angle’s comments) is; a movie or made-for-TV “tea party” production. Her comments have about as much “reality” as the notion that Will Smith can fly an alien spacecraft to blow up the mother ship and save the world.
Screw the Whole Government
June 16th, 2010
3:40 pm
All I can say is that I don’t agree with any thing the government is doing, has done lately, or has been doing for a long time. Try to make it illegal for me to own a gun and you will see why the amendment was written.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:40 pm
josef Obama was NEVER in favor of Prop 8. Find me ONE CREDIBLE LINK where he is directly quoted as saying that he is, or why not go to that Youtube post where he says he isn’t. Faults are faults, but outright slander should be beneath you.
Scout: Huh?
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
3:42 pm
PAUL
“I like seeing the humor and laughing.”
And this blog can be more fun than a barrel of monkeys. And that’s a good thing. It’s why I like to come here and play…
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:42 pm
There was an American soldier convicted of treason during WW2 and executed. I saw a documentary about it .General Eisenhower was involved somehow.
JohnnyReb
June 16th, 2010
3:43 pm
Jay, thanks for the debate. This drama king is signing off, duty calls. Regards
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:45 pm
JohnnyReb
I was saving this for AmVet, but given your 3:35 I’ll post it now.
From what’s listed, I would imagine every single one of the “Obama-socialist-wants to destroy America-weak – won’t defend us” crowd would be absolutely in love with Obama.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-june-15-2010-james-tabor
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:45 pm
REb,
Like Jay mentioned – I don’t have a problem with the political process — if the voters vote back in a GOP POTUS and Congress, then so be it. But yes, I do think it’s crazy and insane for those to “take up arms” against the government that was democratically elected.
When people talk that talk, all that tells me is that they are unable to cope with anyone who thinks different and has a different direction. Instead, they resort to making up lies, or believing lies, or violence — anything to regain control — they resort to the actual people they purport to be protecting our country from. They become their own enemy.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:46 pm
Scout: Debbie :I was talking about Jefferson Davis, et al. Of course people have been convicted of treason including I think an FBI agent.
Oh. Sorry.
Paul: We’re way past those quaint conventions. Pres Obama leads the new way: put out a hit with a Predator and a Hellfire (Anwar al Awlaki).
Saves court costs……
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:47 pm
Jay:
This is from “DebbieDoRights” post. You may want to review it in light of the context of your thread:
“Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it.”
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
3:47 pm
DDR
That’s been done and you ignored it. Okay?
Now, let’s move on to my singing his praise last night…
One…his proper invoking of the Alm-ghty.
Two..his appeal to the spirit of our people which brought us to achieve what naysayers would call the impossible, WWII and landing a man on the moon
Three–his inclusion of the Tribes in his view of restoration of the Coast
Four–and most importantly, his choice of Ray Mabus
Try to remember this the next time you go carping that I have nothing good to say about him…
Otherwise,,,
Howzit goin in the fields of the shiftless? Me? Sorry, lowdown, lazy and good for nothing…but I’m already missing the little b*ggers…
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:48 pm
DDR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8
josef – I’m sure you can find others.
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:48 pm
My bad, that soldier was a deserter. However, the Rosenbergs were executed in 1953 for passing secrets to the Russians.
Normal
June 16th, 2010
3:48 pm
BADA BING
June 16th, 2010
3:42 pm
I think you are talking about Private Eddie Slovic…executed for desertion…
There was another one, too…Private Alex Miranda, for Murder.
md
June 16th, 2010
3:49 pm
“But yes, I do think it’s crazy and insane for those to “take up arms” against the government that was democratically elected.”
Chavez was democratically elected, would you say the same if you were living down there??
Paul
June 16th, 2010
3:50 pm
DDR
“Saves court costs……”
You Libs sure are a bloodthirsty lot…
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:50 pm
md,
This isn’t Venezuela.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
3:50 pm
Jay:
For example ……… we once had a guy who was printing bumper stickers that said :
“I wish someone would shoot the Pres****t”. (I’m not even going to spell it out).
Anyway, in very, very small letters underneath it said “with a camera”.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office declined (not a threat) but we managed to talk the guy into not printing any more as some nut might see it as their “message from God.”
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:51 pm
Scout DebbieDoRight: Again ……….. this is from your own post:
“As in any other criminal trial in the United States, a defendant charged with treason is presumed innocent until proved guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.”
In regards to the Civil War — During Wartime is the ONLY time charges of treason can be levied. In a court of law, any document proven to be from you, like a receipt or a signed order with your signature (or nowadays an email or your DNA), is admissable against you and is considered a WITNESS to your crime. Any 2 witnessees could’ve stood in front of a jury and witnessed to the fact of Davis’ TREASON agaist the US.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:51 pm
md,
But yes, it would be insane. You defending these nuts?
Adam Smith & Wesson
June 16th, 2010
3:52 pm
Bada Big, You may be referring to future POTUS Martin Sheen, a/k/a Pvt. E. Slovik. Actually, I believe Slovik was a pacifist or tried to get a C.O. assignment to a non-combat unit, but he was placed in the infantry, and when he refused to fight, he was court marshalled and sentenced to death for “disertion” or some other crime. And, I believe he was “discriminately” executed by firing squad.
getalife
June 16th, 2010
3:53 pm
He cares about the “small people”.
Dude.
joe matarotz
June 16th, 2010
3:55 pm
Does anyone, except Jay of course, think that a socialist pressing his socialist agenda and trying to force it on the entire country suggests treason? Does anyone, except Jay of course, think that Acorn and Black Panthers showing up at voting sites “are unacceptable attempts to inject intimidation into the mix.”
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
3:57 pm
Scout: The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it.”
Please re-read the VIOLENT OVERTHROW part. While we are in two wars, (Afghan and Iraq); someone instigating the violent overthrow of the US CAN be charged with treason.
josef: Oh really!? Yes, you DID say something nice about him, THEN you came back and slandered him. He said he believed that marriage is between a male and a female, he NEVER said he supported Prop 8 in California!! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD SAY SUCH A THING???!!??
md
June 16th, 2010
3:58 pm
“But yes, it would be insane. You defending these nuts?”
Depends on context, no broad brush for me thanks.
If gov’t continues to target americans based solely on income, I could see ramifications down the road. Life is about choices, and many choose to have a lower income, and those that chose otherwise should not be required to supplement them.
There are legitimate poor and then there are lazy, when the system starts to reward the lazy, the system is broken.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
3:58 pm
jewcowboy,
Another nomination @ 3:55.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:00 pm
md,
“no broad brush for me thanks.”
Really?
Your 3:58 – was one big broad brush, Ms. It’s all the poor and lazy’s fault.
md
June 16th, 2010
4:02 pm
“Really?
Your 3:58 – was one big broad brush, Ms. It’s all the poor and lazy’s fault.”
Care to point out the broad brush?? Nothing unfactual about that post.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
4:03 pm
josef: Otherwise,Howzit goin in the fields of the shiftless? Me? Sorry, lowdown, lazy and good for nothing…but I’m already missing the little b*ggers…
This lazy shiftless youngun is doing o.k. I’m waiting for my sister & aunt to get here and my portugese is getting so much better with constant use. I’m remembering stuff I’d forgotten from none use! The shiftless has a big file full of numbers (over 40K lines) I’m supposed to be doing now….that’s why I’m blogging!! Some days I HATE numbers….
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:04 pm
md,
The whole thing. There’s nothing actually factual about it either.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:05 pm
DebbieDoRight :
I know you are probably not an attorney but you still have to prove “intent”. The Attorney General of the United States and two special prosecutors at that time determined they would have trouble with “intent” in front of a jury of citizens due to the opinion of the individual states that at the time of the Constitution they (the states) had the right to withdraw.
Thus, in spite of Congress wanting Davis’ head ………. no charges were ever filed.
You are wearing me out ……………
md
June 16th, 2010
4:07 pm
“The whole thing. There’s nothing actually factual about it either.”
Again, care to elaborate or do you prefer to just make assertions.
Come on Bosch, list what is not true.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:08 pm
Adam Smith & Wesson:
At that time in WWII, the Army was having a fairly big problem with desertions and soldiers refusing to “fight”. Thus ………. an example was made of Slovik which in all probablility saved lives and shortened the war.
Kind of like the “Malmady” incident when the Germans stupidly executed our prisoners. Once that word got around our guys fought like hell (if you are going to get killed anyway) and won the Battle of the Bulge.
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
4:09 pm
PAUL
Thanks for the post…there’ll be more on this as the challenge by that GASP arch conservative Reaganite comes up,,,that, too, should give a chuckle or two…
But…ooohhh that Jon Stewart one! Just tooooo good! Ouch!
Samuel Adams
June 16th, 2010
4:09 pm
Jay, don’t foget that this country was founded by revolutionaries. I suggest that you read the Declaration of Independence. According to the Declaration (which I know is not binding law) we have unalienable rights, and if a government interferes with those rights, we have a right to abolish it, by force if necessary.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:11 pm
md,
I’m not in the mood to get into another discussion with you about how you hate poor people and why they are to blame for everything bad and wrong and how stupid they are for just making the bad choice to be poor. It’s a ridiculous argument that you’ve purported here for months, years even – and until you can name all the government programs that fund the lazy, its not a valid argument.
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
4:11 pm
Scout: DebbieDoRight – I know you are probably not an attorney but you still have to prove “intent”. The Attorney General of the United States and two special prosecutors at that time determined they would have trouble with “intent” in front of a jury of citizens due to the opinion of the individual states that at the time of the Constitution they (the states) had the right to withdraw.
Davis as a military man, would’ve probably (note I said PROBABLY), be tried before MILITARY court — less to prove there. Lincoln’s murderers were tried and prosecuted by a military court, not a civilian one. You’ll find the info here (about half way down):
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lincolnconspiracy/lincolnaccount.html
Likewise I think ALL acts of treason are tried by a military court — I don’t know for sure, I’ll have to look that up.
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:12 pm
BYW:
To keep all of this in context, “Che” Obama has been pretty buddy buddy over the years with people who advocated the violent overthrow of these here United States …………… and even committed overt acts ………….
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
4:12 pm
DDR
L-rd, I know what you mean about numbers. That’s what’s on my other screen now…I done wo my po ole fangers to the bone countin! Told my powers that be that if they get it by the first day of school, to count themselves lucky!
Paul
June 16th, 2010
4:13 pm
josef nix
I wondered if anyone else would watch that Stewart link. Not a pretty sight for die-hard Obama supporters.
But as I said the other day to female vet, a lot happens when a candidate, relatively new to higher office, gets out of the theory and posturing during a campaign and actually sees reality.
md
June 16th, 2010
4:15 pm
“I’m not in the mood to get into another discussion with you about how you hate poor people and why they are to blame for everything bad and wrong and how stupid they are for just making the bad choice to be poor. It’s a ridiculous argument that you’ve purported here for months, years even – and until you can name all the government programs that fund the lazy, its not a valid argument.”
Interesting – can you show us all where I’ve posted anything remotely close to what YOU say I’ve said??
Well Mr defender of the lazy, let’s start with healthcare – care to explain why some folks that decided to drop out of high school and joined a gang should be subsidized by some that did not????
Pogo
June 16th, 2010
4:16 pm
Come on Jay. Aren’t you being a bit of a drama queen saying that she’s a “threat to the country”. She’s a more of a threat to your beloved Harry Reid and you know it. You aren’t scared of ideology because if you were, you would be terrified of people like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. They are truly scary and fortunately, the country is waking up to that fact. Your bitterness is directed at the threat to your ideology, not to the any real threat to our country, isn’t it?
DebbieDoRight
June 16th, 2010
4:16 pm
Paul: wondered if anyone else would watch that Stewart link. Not a pretty sight for die-hard Obama supporters.
Hmmmm I can’t watch it here, I’ll get that ” WARNING — INTERNET SECURITY” siting if I click on it. I’ll make sure to watch it when I get home though, sounds interesting.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:17 pm
md,
They are American citizens. When you start to delve into the value of human life or those who are deserving and who are not – that’s a very dangerous road.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:18 pm
md,
And in your world, who gets to determine who the lazy ones are?
josef nix
June 16th, 2010
4:19 pm
PAUL
It’s like Unmentionable said watching it, it’s a good thing it’s being done as satire because a cold hard look at just exactly what Stewart’s saying is, well, a bit too frightening…and no one is calling for an accounting on those points, either…that’s scary.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:19 pm
md,
And what was that program again that funds the lazy?
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2010
4:22 pm
Actually, the earth is millions/billions of years old. We don’t know for sure
I made a statement regarding time to “create” and you respond with a statement regarding time since “creation” as though you were responding to my statement. Now, did you wish to comment on the “six days to create the earth and its initial population.”
Scout
June 16th, 2010
4:22 pm
Pogo:
Thank you.
Bosch
June 16th, 2010
4:22 pm
My ride is here – later gators!