‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason

Sharron Angle, the GOP nominee for U.S. Senate in Nevada, has espoused so many radical notions over the years that she’s had to be gagged for a few weeks by her Republican handlers while they attempt a political makeover.

However, no amount of makeup or image polishing can disguise the ugliness of some of her ideas. Consider, for example, her statement about the Second Amendment and Congress a few months ago during an interview with a conservative radio host (audio available here):

“You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.

I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?”

People are looking toward those Second Amendment remedies? If so, they need to be locked up as soon as possible.

Astonishingly, that viewpoint is being applauded in some quarters. For example, the editor of my former newspaper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, endorses Angle’s viewpoint in a blog post headlined “What do you think the Second Amendment is for? Rabbit hunting?”

Before we go any further, I think it’s important to define terms. Angle argues that the Second Amendment exists as insurance against a tyrannical government, and I agree. But how do you define “tyrannical government”? To my mind, it would be a government that cancels elections, that refuses to allow the peaceful transfer of authority, that uses military force to keep itself in power or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power.

In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.

However, to cite “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest treason. And that’s just what Angle and her ilk are doing. It is the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply antithetical to concepts of freedom.

People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.

In fact, it makes it more offensive.

396 comments Add your comment

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
11:53 am

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
11:53 am

Lord Help Us

June 16th, 2010
11:55 am

This is why Angle, along with Palin, Paul and many others can only communicate with a like-minded audience. Their ‘ideas’ are quickly knocked out of the park once exposed.

Kamchak

June 16th, 2010
11:55 am

OH MY FREAKING G-D!

THE SWISS DEFEAT SPAIN!

Off topic by the way.

bleary

June 16th, 2010
12:00 pm

This been my question all along. Take my country back!!! Take the country back from who? Take the country back to where? Take the country back to when?

Doggone/GA

June 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

“Take the country back from who? ”

Wrong question. They don’t want to take it back “from” someone, they want to take it back FOR the poor, oppressed majority white man /snark

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:03 pm

Aw come on Jay,she just miss spoke! :lol:

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
12:04 pm

“…wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.”

Nicely put, Mr. Bookman.

Gale

June 16th, 2010
12:09 pm

I don”t know about “treason”. The only thing that surprises me about calls for revolution is the age group. It is usually the young 20-somethings calling for revolution. In my early adult years (Viet Nam era) I thought a revolution was needed. I would have been a willing participant. Fortunately, cooler heads and the ballot box prevailed. However, a peaceful revolution that would make a real impact on the political process could take us a long way. Our government, like most governments, is rife with corruption. Power and money will do it every time.

Lord Help Us

June 16th, 2010
12:10 pm

After a very fair chance to explain his recent criticisms of the Fair Housing Act and the Civil Rights Act to Rachel Maddow, Rand Paul (and his new GOP puppet masters) quickly figured out they needed to stuff a sock in his mouth. Thus, they decided he needed to be ‘too exhausted’ for an appearance on Meet The Press.

If Pauls’ and Angle’ ideas are so good, why can’t they debate them openly?

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

Sen Reid’s best hope for reelection was the nomination of Angle. Question is, will it be enough?

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

Take the country back to when?

To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.

Fly-On-The-Wall

June 16th, 2010
12:13 pm

Doggone/GA

June 16th, 2010
12:13 pm

“To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.”

It’s allowed NOW. Don’t you mean back to when God and country was FORCED in our schools?

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:15 pm

LHU

“If Pauls’ and Angle’ ideas are so good, why can’t they debate them openly?”

Isn’t that what Rand Paul did before the Maddow cancellation? Appear on shows and answer the questions? Seems to me after a while it’s same questions, different show.

One Voice

June 16th, 2010
12:16 pm

This administration was elected by a large majority of the United States’ people, in contrast to the Bush election of 2000. Actually, President Obama won in a relative landslide, unlike the razor thin margins Bush won by both times. The people have chosen this administration and this congress. If they disapprove of their actions they will vote them out. But considering the small numbers of the over-hyped and dwindling Tea Party, that’s unlikely to happen; turnover this election cycle looks to be below historic norms (28 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate).

The majority of U.S. citizens spoke in 2008. Anyone who attempts to use violence against this government, elected by the people, is guilty of treason and the law should treat them as such. It is the very definition of being unpatriotic and unAmerican. The use of force makes it a crime.

@@

June 16th, 2010
12:17 pm

Obama’s the one with the gun.

Thanks to my husband’s obsession, I can choose from any of (what seems like thousands) of knives. Not gonna use MY David Yellowhorse collectible though. It’s the most valuable one in the collection.

Outhouse GoKart

June 16th, 2010
12:17 pm

Take that Country back from who? From YOU!

I wasnt aware there was a 2nd amendment…I thought they skipped it.

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:18 pm

Scooter?

Whose God? The Catholic God? The Protestant God? The punishments and floggings and other such that were meted out to those who worshiped the wrong god or who deviated from proper observances?

Me, I’d go for the Greek or Roman gods. Those gods knew how to have a good time – but learning all their names might be too much for our schoolchildren

:-)

Outhouse GoKart

June 16th, 2010
12:19 pm

You are guilty of treason!! No Im not, you are! Nuh uh, you are. No its you that is guilty. Well lets step outside and find out just how it guilty…

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:20 pm

Don’t you mean back to when God and country was FORCED in our schools?

No,Doggone. I said what I meant. “forced” is your word. :roll:

Outhouse GoKart

June 16th, 2010
12:20 pm

@@ Sometimes ya can find really cool swords at the flea markets.

getalife

June 16th, 2010
12:20 pm

Treason. Send her to gitmo.

July 2011 withdraw from Afghanistan.

He got 20 billion from bp.

Outstanding action President Obama!

Eat that cons.

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
12:22 pm

To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.

Scooter, I was indeed FURIOUS when I learned that the President’s address to America’s schoolchildren was NOT shown at my child’s school in our heavily Republican (or is it tea party? I keep getting them mixed up) neighborhood. This is an excellent example of noisy traitorheads taking over and putting PARTY FIRST. The President’s message was straightforward, “America’s future will be brighter if you all knuckle down, finish school, and enter the workforce with an education and some goals.” But NOOOOOOO….. That was not in keeping with the “American sux with that *bleep* in the Whitehouse” crowd, of which only half a dozen or so needed to threaten the school board and principal to deny 2300 students the opportunity to hear the Presdient of the United States of America address American’s children.

As for God, FCA chapters abound in most of our local public schools, and nobody tries to stop them from praying to Jesus ON CAMPUS. Please look at their website and talk to ANY middle or high school administration for confirmation, so you can sleep better at night.

Dave R.

June 16th, 2010
12:23 pm

Ah. Always wonderful when Jay and the libs pull out the “treason” card.

In a just world, every member of Congress who voted for the health care reform act would be tried for treason. After all they all violated their oaths to the Constitution many times with those votes.

You wouldn’t know treason if it bit you on the buttocks, Jay.

Dave R.

June 16th, 2010
12:25 pm

Hey, Kamchak! Have you noticed that there have been a couple of posts about the World Cup on this blog this morning and . . .

. . . nobody cares! :D

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:25 pm

One Voice

“This administration was elected by a large majority of the United States’ people,”

Reminds me of Cartman on Southpark: “I’m not fat! I’m big-boned!!!’

Hello, Dave R.

You just gotta explain the reasoning behind your 12:23 -

@@

June 16th, 2010
12:26 pm

Outhouse:

To be honest with you, the thought of hitting gone causes me to cringe. I was trying to cut an electrical cord once to repair a plug. Dang knife went into my hand, hit a bone, and I passed out, but only after throwing up.

@@

June 16th, 2010
12:26 pm

Oops! “gone” should have been “bone”.

Peadawg

June 16th, 2010
12:28 pm

Looks like we got wacko extremists on both sides. Atleast Angle isn’t the POTUS…..

Dave R.

June 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

Hi, Paul. Easy. Health care is NOT a right. Nothing to protect from the government’s point of view, if you believe that government’s role is protection of rights.

Each Senator and Representative took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the U.S. Constitution, and they knowingly violated such an oath by voting on HCR.

As treasonous to me as Sharron Angle talking about 2nd Amendment solutions.

professional skeptic

June 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

The woman is absolutely insane.

John K

June 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

“To when “God and Country” was allowed in our schools.”

Oh please, could you be any more whiny? God is allowed now. Any kid can pray if they want, they just can’t interrupt instruction or coerce other students. Same with teachers, they can pray if they if they want, but can’t coerce students to do so.

But I know what you really mean. You want to force it on everyone, and make it public, so you can have everyone look to you and see what a wonderfully devout, Godly person you are. Doesn’t the Bible talk about those looking to get their reward on earth?

As for country, I was not aware American history and civics were taken out of the classroom.

As for the greater point, maybe civics were taken out of the classroom, it seems there are just too many people who think tyranny = losing an election.

@@

June 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

I’m thinking that if we could just get rid of the far-left, the far-right would settle down.

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

Hey Paul! Everyone’s “Creator” is one in the same,only different by name.IMHO

That’s the only way I know how to answer your question. ????????

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 16th, 2010
12:31 pm

Without credits, housing market index declines
Homebuilders are feeling less confident in the recovery now that government incentives for buyers have expired. Their pessimism could drag on the economy, which may not benefit so much from the job creation that construction typically generates.-Urinal

Gosh, letting people keep more of their own money, instead of throwing it off into the gaping stupid maw of government, causes more economic activity?????!!!!!!?????

Why, who would have ever thought it, um, besides me, that is….

Dave R.

June 16th, 2010
12:31 pm

Now, I have to go off and (as AmVet likes to say) pay for the occupation. But in my case, the occupiers are our elected officials.

Later.

TaxPayer

June 16th, 2010
12:33 pm

Oh Noes, Jay. You has it all wronged. The 2nd amendment was put there for when the conservative Republicans get in need of a constitutional (i.e., they lose power) and cannot find any other way to dump on folks.

DebbieDoRight

June 16th, 2010
12:33 pm

@@: Obama’s the one with the gun.

Could you PLEASE explain that one. Enquiring minds……

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 16th, 2010
12:35 pm

gitmo- In the deluded, psychotic world of liberalism, where do y’all think BP will get the 20 billion from?

Just askin…

Jay

June 16th, 2010
12:36 pm

So Dave, voting for health-care reform equals treason?

Even if it’s held to be unconstitutional, which I very much doubt, it’s not treason. Differences of opinion on political matters are not treason.

TaxPayer

June 16th, 2010
12:36 pm

This new Angle from the conservative Republicans sure sounds like more of the same to me. They just are not hiding in the closet quite as much as they used to.

Glenn Beck

June 16th, 2010
12:37 pm

A tyrannical government is one that forces you to buy healthcare.

That, my fellow Americans is tranny!

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Dave R. 12:29

Seems your argument hinges on healthcare as a right. If it’s not a right, but just a good thing Congress thought needed doing, does that change your view? Doesn’t Congress pass lots and lots of laws that have nothing to do with rights?

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
12:22 pm

I agree with you. I was just trying to answer one of “bleary’s” questions about what the tea partiers are talking about. I don’t know any tea partiers but I can understand what they are talking about. I think?

DebbieDoRight

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Matilda: Scooter, I was indeed FURIOUS when I learned that the President’s address to America’s schoolchildren was NOT shown at my child’s school in our heavily Republican (or is it tea party? I keep getting them mixed up) neighborhood.

This is not new for the South. Back in the early 50’s and 60’s (Before “I Spy”), the south routinely did not play any programs that pictured blacks in a favorable light. As long as they were “subservient” or pictured as “beasts” without thoughts were they allowed to be shown. The “Grand Ole Party” is just keeping with its long tradition of pandering to the lowest common denominator of its collective members.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
12:39 pm

Jay:

Three points:

1) I agree with your position as follows ……….. “But how do you define “tyrannical government”? To my mind, it would be a government that cancels elections, that refuses to allow the peaceful transfer of authority, that uses military force to keep itself in power or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power. In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.”

However, once you get that far ………. it’s too late. Therefore, the 2nd Amendment is there also as a “reminder” to the government to not even ATTEMPT to go that far! Remember, if it ever gets that bad, not only will citizens be prepared to lay down their lives but a large part of the military would be in rebellion also.

2) For those of us who have ever taken an oath in military or civilian life (I have four times) that oath was to the Constitution (not the President, Congress or the Supreme Court) as at one time or another all three of those entities have violated the Constitution..

3) Do you realize from your study of history (and as compared to today) just how little it took for our founders to go to war against Great Britain? Only 10% were prepared to risk everything, 30% supported the war somewhat, another 30% could have cared less (mostly those west of the mountains) and yet another 30% were Tories who actually fought in organized regiments against the Colonial Army (and then they went to Canada …………… :o

professional skeptic

June 16th, 2010
12:41 pm

John K
June 16th, 2010
12:30 pm

“…it seems there are just too many people who think tyranny = losing an election.”

Amen, brother.

Outhouse GoKart

June 16th, 2010
12:42 pm

“and I passed out, but only after throwing up.”

LOL…what a mess…

Del

June 16th, 2010
12:42 pm

First of all Harry Reid is tyrannical and if the polls are any indication it appears that the good folks in Nevada are going to dump him. Now whether or not Sharron Angle is really espousing armed revolution, I don’t know. If she is, then I would agree with Jay’s commentary. It’s getting into the “silly season”, so her comments could very well been taken out of context by her opposition. I think the voters in Nevada are better suited to make the right judgment call.

Paul

June 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

Hey Scooter

“Hey Paul! Everyone’s “Creator” is one in the same,only different by name.IMHO”

I’m fine with that. Trouble is, there are an awful lot of religious folks who aren’t, and by golly, they’re gonna do whatever they have to to show us the error of our ways.

Glenn Beck

“A tyrannical government is one that forces you to buy healthcare.”

Well, they already force us to buy a retirement plan. And a survivor’s benefits plan. And an orphan insurance plan. Have for going on a century. We seem to have weathered those decades of tyranny pretty well.

TaxPayer

June 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

About half of one year’s worth of BP earnings goes to dividends of about 10 billion dollars. I think they can handle 20 billion and it will be an amount that is big enough to actually put the fear of God, er, um, I mean, Messiah, er, um, I mean, Obama, in them. hehehe

Scout

June 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

P.S.

In an last ditch effort to prevent war, Great Britain offered our colonies full representation in Parliament. We turned it down. Rascally bunch they were back then. They would be ashamed of us today.

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:44 pm

But I know what you really mean

No you don’t, John K.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

Jay:

What would you do if we had some huge national emergency and President Obama by executive order “banned” all private ownership of firearms (as was done in New Orleans)?

Doggone/GA

June 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

“I said what I meant. “forced” is your word.”

That’s right, it’s my word. YOU used “allowed” – well, there’s no there there. Both God AND country are ALLOWED now. You’ll need to find something else to “go back to”

Scout

June 16th, 2010
12:51 pm

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson

“The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.” Author Unknown

Huckabee The Next POTUS 2013

June 16th, 2010
12:52 pm

jay said: People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance.
I guess jay never read obozo’z books, or listened to rev. wrongs sermons or louie ferry-khans speeches. Not to mention the dumpocraps mother of year award winner from a few years back cindy she-han, the biggest waste of human flesh in the last ten years.
But then it’s only Freedom Of Speech if you are bedwetting liberal celebrating the burning in effigee of a sitting President or the call to kill the jews by al simpleton or anything jesse jacka$$ says.

Leif Rakur

June 16th, 2010
12:55 pm

A person who wants to take part in real Second Amendment remedies joins the National Guard.

Jay

June 16th, 2010
12:55 pm

Scout, that’s like asking what I would do if Obama levitated to Mars.

Both are equally plausible.

Big D

June 16th, 2010
12:57 pm

Jay, you will never get it…why? Because no mater how many times you could read the Federalist Papers or the Constitution your liberal programing would not allow you to comprehend the dialogue contained within. If this country goes down to tyranny or a invasion from a foreign power, you would be the first one to try and find somebody with a gun to protect you.

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
12:58 pm

Doggone/GA

June 16th, 2010
12:49 pm

I don’t need to go back to any time because I don’t think my country has been taken from me! I was trying to answer a question about tea partiers and the way they think. Please don’t shoot the messenger. Whew!

Samantha

June 16th, 2010
12:58 pm

Only old, out of touch fuddy duddys use word like “ilk”.

John K

June 16th, 2010
12:59 pm

“No you don’t, John K.”

Oh yes I do.

Jay

June 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

Only fuddy duddys use words such as fuddy duddys.

Saul Good

June 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

Sheeesh! I guess Sharron Angle is one who spends much of her time on the forums at WND. Turst me…they “started” their “revolution” the second it was announced that Obama was our new President. Of course WND’s big push is their never ending “Birther Campaign”… but all one needs to do is read the Blognetdaily part of their forums to see those who continually ask for “brothers” to raise arms and REMOVE this President by taking up arms against him. Also…for those not in the “know” about WND…it’s THE Talibangelical site on the internet. Joey Farrah is the very one who brought the world Orly Taitz… and then threw her under the bus when she failed over and over again… he’s FOR PROFIT and rakes in the dough from those “afraid” of the way our nation is heading. Yet he’s always raked in the dough by using fear. His own columnist Hal Lindsey predicted the “Rapture” and all signs pointing towards it about 17 times in the past few years… yet every prediction came and went without the rapture. Matters little… it’s been good for business.

(personally…I like the section of the forums that deals with basting Wiki… because not 3 days goes by without someone on there…including Little Joey Farah himself…using Wiki as “proof” for all their BS)…

Blognetdaily my friends… my personal favorite who leads those who want to use weapons to overthrow our government…all in the name of Jeeeezbus: stoecker

http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=11

Some of his/their recent posts:

“We need to face the fact that a large minority of our population are so dumbed down, indoctrinated, and degraded that they are essentially heartless and mindless and beyond redemption. They are helping the elites drag the world to utter ruin, and they richly deserve the suffering and death that is coming.”

What the Anointed One has planned for us goes beyond what happened in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. It and its fellow luciferians must be stopped at any cost and by any means necessary. The time for peaceful compromise has passed.

William B Stoecker”

Do you think the Iranians would not strike with missiles at US troops nearby in Afhganistan and in the Persian Gulf?? Wonder how many billions of Chinese made microchips are all ready in our weapons of war and could be activated to fail when then want them to? Thats a little bit of what we face today and tomarrow…

Obaminable got huge contributions from BP and excused them from normal oversight, bringing about the explosion and spill on Hitler’s birthday. Obaminable refused every offer of foreign help, turning a relatively minor disaster into an environmental catastrophe. In the time-honored tradition of the elites, it will use the catastrophe it caused as an excuse for cap and tax, even though a real oil spill has no connection whatever to imaginary “gobal hot hot,” and would not, even if the climate change was real. And BP, in an example of crony capitalism and phony environmentalism, helped to write the bill…a fact that the controlled media will cover up.

Already the Anointed One has used this as an excuse for a “moratorium” on undersea drilling; the sane response would have been to allow drilling to continue, and include ANWAR, the Rockies, and shallow water just offshore, but with proper safeguards…sanity, however, is nowhere to be found in the Obaminable regime. To our existing economic disaster it has added the cost of the spill and the “cleanup,” and now the cost of a drilling halt, and, soon (it hopes) the devastating impact of cap and tax. There is nothing accidental in this…we are seeing the deliberate ruin of our economy.

William B Stoecker

Our morality comes from God. Our rights come from God. Without God we are doomed to suffer moral, social, and economic collapse, and, if the elites have their way, the ultimate tyranny.

William B Stoecker

I fear that we have passed the point of no return and a multi-sided race war is inevitable. And this will be a war with no victors.

Simply Talibangelicals at their best. One one of the BIGGEST “Christian” cult sites out there. They have all the mainstream “righty” entertainers on there… just go to the main part of the site…yet Joe Farah has created this forum system for them to gather…and by doing so he supports their RIGHT to speak freely…THAT I agree with. Yet by providing a place and a forum for them to gather where they talk about raising arms…going to battle with our government…by using ARMS and force… what’s YOUR take on it?… Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

John K

June 16th, 2010
12:59 pm

Whatever dude.

jt

June 16th, 2010
1:07 pm

Its only treason if you lose.

Otherwise its patriotism.

RW-(the original)

June 16th, 2010
1:11 pm

It must be one strange gagging since I keep seeing Sharron Angle on TV interviews and hearing her on radio. She doesn’t sound anything like the kook the the left is trying to portray her as either, but I do have a somewhat rhetorical question. If she had tacked toward the fringe in a primary race and then back toward the center for a general election she would differ from 99.9% of politicians how exactly?

ty webb

June 16th, 2010
1:14 pm

If there are 2nd amendment remedies for a tyrannical government. What remedy do we have to keep guam from tipping over?

moral of the story, there’s idiot nutcases on both sides.

Adam Smith & Wesson

June 16th, 2010
1:15 pm

JB, I give her props for talking about the 800 lbs. gorilla. You really are a peach. The current government is tyrannical. Cancel elections? How about elections that don’t matter? And do you really believe that “the military” is not used to keep those in power in power? Do you think the Department of Defense “defends” Americans? Do you not view every local law enforcement SWAT team as an extension of the military? The military and the police exist to protect private property, and I am not talking about some Grant Park family’s minivan or the flat screen TV’s at the local sports bar. I am talking about real wealth, and real property. The only problem I have with Angle is the fact that she’s bought into the fantasy that the 2nd Amendment actually has teeth. She should be saying; “the Founding Fathers put the Second Amendment into the Constitution to keep Americans at bay by creating the illusion they have the means to push back against a tyrannical government…” As I have noted, “checkmate” was declared years ago (see: whiskey rebellion). Those in power don’t cede power because it is fair. If they cared about “fairness” or “freedom” they would not aspire to attain and maintain power. Nope Jay, the Second Amendment is a myth. All those militia types with their camoflauge pajamas can run around in the woods and play “patriot” all the want. The Second Amendment, like the right to vote is a pacifier. It keeps Americans anethetized while the politicians and those who own them continue to consolidate power and wealth.

Jimmy62

June 16th, 2010
1:17 pm

A government that steals private property from its legitimate owners to give said property to a union against all laws of bankruptcy IS tyrannical. They’ve shown a complete disdain for private property and the rule of law, the very things government was first formed to protect.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:18 pm

To Jay @ 12:55 :

Good “dodge” to a legitimate question as ususal.

And this of course is equally as non-plausible as levitating to Mars:

“In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.”

“THAT” is laughable ………….. are you wearing your combat ribbons today?

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:21 pm

jt @ 1:07 :

Exactly. If our founders had lost they would have all been hung and we as good British subjects would probably have never even been taught their names.

However, when the South lost the war between the “United States (an oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America” do you know why no one was ever tried for treason (i.e., President Davis, General Lee)

jt

June 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

OMG,

I just read where Chris Mathews wants to see Obama’s long form birth certificate.

What is happening?

Donovan

June 16th, 2010
1:25 pm

Ms. Angle is merely bringing up the frustration of living with a government run by left wing political leaders that have shown contempt for the people who are against their left wing agenda. Our message is simple: We are angry that out elected representives have let government get so far out of control. We are angry that they have saddled our grandchildren with debt that may destroy their opportunity for happiness and prosperity. We are angry at the smugness of those on the left who believe they and not the American people know what is best. We are angry at being treated like fools when told to believe the liberals’ health care plans would reduce costs and improve services without rationing care, raising taxes or adding to the deficit. We are angry at being promised “transparency” only to see closed door sessions and back room deals that disgust honest Americans. We are angry at the perks and corruption and pork barrel payoffs that are still routine for Washington politicians. We are angry at being called unpatriotic, un-American, fear-mongers and even racists and NAZIs for daring to raise our voices against the policies of this administration. To put it bluntly, we are mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it anymore! The Tea Party movement is a direct reaction to the irresponsibility of the crowd running this government. Obama and his legion of liberals came to be when the moon and the stars were in perfect alignment. Their agenda has been ruinous and now America rejects that agenda. November should begin the self-cleansing process.

jt

June 16th, 2010
1:27 pm

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:21 pm

jt @ 1:07 :

Exactly. If our founders had lost they would have all been hung and we as good British subjects would probably have never even been taught their names.

However, when the South lost the war between the “United States (an oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America” do you know why no one was ever tried for treason (i.e., President Davis, General Lee)

Thank God for THOSE treasonist folks. And to answer your question, yes, I do. Not unlike our circumstances today.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:27 pm

jt @ 1:24 :

Stop that ! My side is hurting !!!

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

Scout, “You don’t need a patch on your arm to have honor,” and you don’t need a ribbon on your chest to have nads, and you don’t need an NRA card to be a “real” American, and you don’t have to be a big bad ego-puffed formerly-active Marine to pull the trigger on a firearm. Just sayin’.

Scooter

June 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

However, when the South lost the war between the “United States (an oxymoron) of America” and the “Confederate States of America” do you know why no one was ever tried for treason (i.e., President Davis, General

I know you were not talking to me Scout but I would like to know the answer to your Question though.

Jay

June 16th, 2010
1:29 pm

Anger’s fine, Donovan.

Express it in November, and that’s fine too.

But start talking about “Second Amendment remedies,” and you’re a threat to our country.

Adam Smith & Wesson

June 16th, 2010
1:30 pm

Donovan, replace “left wing political leaders” with “politicians who are owned by special interests” and you might get some traction. Do you realize when you post “We are angry that out elected representives have let government get so far out of control” you assuming responsibility for this mess? In my opinion, We (the People) never had “control”. The government has always enjoyed the upper hand, and like any beast, it does what it needs to do to maintain control.

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:31 pm

jt:

They weren’t tried for treason because the Attorney General of the United States (and two Congressionally appointed special prosecutors) all said they were afraid they could lose the case in court.

Congress was furious they could not get anyone indicted but the Attorney General said nothing would have been worse than to have won the war (instead of letting the South go in peace) and then lost in court.

jconservative

June 16th, 2010
1:31 pm

I agree with Bookman on this one. And you can add to the list those members of the Georgia legislature who advocate the same and those running for Governor who refuse to disavow the same thoughts.

Whether you like it or not the current administration and congress were elected by “we the people” in accordance with the Constitution.

Don’t like what the Constitution says? There is a remedy, amend the Constitution. How do you do that? It’s in the Constitution. Read it.

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
1:32 pm

Lincoln did not want to further the division between the North and the South. Following Lee’s surrender, he wanted the healing to begin immediately, so the United States would be united again as soon as possible. JWB really messed things up for the South. Lincoln would not have allowed the carpetbaggers to come down here and prolong the starvation of the masses of impoverished Southerners, most of whom had no choice, and no stake, in the war whatsoever.

Outhouse GoKart

June 16th, 2010
1:32 pm

Seems we cant even play in our own backyard now. THANKS OBAMA!!
Its time to start shooting these illegal border crossers and tell Calderon to go to hell.

Uptick in Violence Forces Closing of Parkland Along Mexico Border to Americans
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16/closes-park-land-mexico-border-americans/

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:33 pm

Matilda:

Just for you ………………..

“Dulce Bellum Inexpertis”

“Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.” Samuel Johnson (1709-1784).

Adam Smith & Wesson

June 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

JB, stop with the faux patriotism. You’re worse than Bush with the “threat to our country” nonsense. First off, there is no “threat” anything close to an armed insurrection would be CRUSHED within hours. AND, it is not “our” country. It is ExxonMobil’s country. It is Microsoft’s country. It is Verizon’s country. It is Berkshire Hathwaway’s, Haliburton’s and Coca Cola’s country. We’re not the “owners” we’re the employees or at best the consumers. Seriously, dude. That comment made me spit out my coffee. Are you “astroturfing” for the remake of “Red Dawn”? Wolverines!

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:36 pm

Jay:

You puffed up your ribbon adorned chest:

“In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.”

Are you a threat ??

[...] ‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason | Jay Bookman ‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason | Jay Bookman. [...]

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
1:36 pm

Scout, sometimes I regret not becoming a stripper after graduating from college. The high road doesn’t pay very well, and a financially-beneficial marriage is too darn much work. Is that what you mean?

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:37 pm

Matilda:

May I remind you that Lincoln was DEAD when Congress wanted Davis, et al tried and hung for treason.

See my 1:31 again.

Saul Good

June 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

“Our message is simple: We are angry that out elected representives have let government get so far out of control. We are angry that they have saddled our grandchildren with debt that may destroy their opportunity for happiness and prosperity”

And were you ANGRY about the massive debt we incurred to get out of the Depression? That WWII created? All of which was being paid off steadily until the “GREAT ONE” Reagan got into office. The very same debt that Clinton started paying off… the “surplus” he handed Bush… the “debt” that came from the very ones who decided to enter Iraq?

Yes we have massive Debt…. and we had a BIGGER debt after WWII… yet those who scream about it now never look back at history and see just how “debt” took us into prosperity.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Our debt is nowhere near where it once was… yet it’s clear from the chart “where” and “when” we started NOT paying it back. Reagan and Bush41…

Charts don’t lie…you just don’t like to see the “truth” put in front of your eyes. Tell me where that straight line upward “started” in recent years?

From the Article:
“Note the run-up in debt starting in 1942. That’s equivalent to $10 trillion today. That pulled the economy out of the great depression”

Tax cuts? nope…need I post a chart showing what people paid in taxes back then?

Scout

June 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

Matilda:

I didn’t expect you to read Latin but you could at least look it up ……………….. :o

Samantha

June 16th, 2010
1:41 pm

Why not headline this column “Liberal toadies line up to protect another unpopular Senate majority leader from shameful defeat”?

Bosch

June 16th, 2010
1:42 pm

Raucous applause from Bosch!!!

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Kamchak,

This is me:

:shock:

TM

June 16th, 2010
1:42 pm

As the Big O told Big John “you guys lost so move on”. Hopefully come November, with ACORN out of the way, Big O will regrect that he treated people from the other side of the aisle as if they were trailer trash.

Bosch

June 16th, 2010
1:48 pm

“merely bringing up the frustration of living with a government run by left wing political leaders that have shown contempt for the people who are against their left wing agenda”

Oh my freaking God –

Donovan,

Have you been in a coma for the past 30 years and just now woken up?

Matilda

June 16th, 2010
1:49 pm

Scout,

In his 1865 inaugural address, Lincoln urged reconciliation. He preached forgiveness and grace and quoted chapters from Matthew (my fave!) and Luke. What I said is true. Sorry I don’t give a *bleep* about what Congressmen said they “wanted” to do. (AS IF that desire ever has any freaking relevance to reality.)

JohnnyReb

June 16th, 2010
1:53 pm

Jay, you have taken Ms Angle’s comments completely out of context and it has generated posts not based on the facts. Although I am not optimistic those opinions will change after my post.

Ms Angle is not in favor of Second Amendment “remedies.” Quite the opposite. She is against the efforts of the Left/progressives to somehow get rulings through the courts that produce a “remedy” to their second amendment obstacle and give them gun control.

Ms Angle’s references to Thomas Jefferson and a revolution every 20 years is not a call for taking up arms. Instead, it is a statement to Congress and the Left/progressives that citizens do not want, nor do they like, the attempts to bypass the second amendment to where citizens cannot own guns. And, that should those efforts continue, and God forbid be successful, there WILL be a revolution. It may be weak, it may not last, but there are tens of thousands, if not millions, of citizens who will Never, and I mean never, give up their firearms willingly.

One example of the continuing efforts toward gun control by somehow getting around the second amendment is the H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act -which would restrict cooperations from political speech. The act would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

Have your fun with Ms Angle. In November, you will see just how many American’s don’t agree with you. Bye, Bye Harry!