Gay rights emerging as issue in GOP primary for governor

If Nathan Deal has his way, gay-bashing is about to become part of the 2010 GOP gubernatorial campaign.

The July primary is expected to end without an outright winner, forcing an August runoff between frontrunner John Oxendine and a second candidate still to be determined. Deal apparently believes that former Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel is his top competitor for that spot, and he has decided to use gays as a wedge issue against her.

Deal has accused Handel of supporting the right of gay couples to adopt and of joining the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay GOP group. According to Deal, Handel’s “support of gay adoption offends the conservative values of Georgians throughout the state, let alone those who vote in the Republican primary.”

Handel, to her discredit, says she opposes gay adoption and has always done so. She also claims that Southern Voice, a now defunct gay newspaper, was wrong to report in 2003 that she supported gay adoption rights. (At the time, Handel was running for Fulton County Commission chair, and gay votes are important in that race.)

On Monday, the AJC’s new PolitiFact feature attempted to get to the bottom of the dispute, in the end rating Deal’s claim about gay adoption “barely true” based on the paucity of evidence in the case. But Laura Douglas-Brown, a former writer and editor for Southern Voice, has since interviewed former Log Cabin president Marc Yeager and uncovered considerable evidence that bolsters Deal’s claim.

“Yeager also confirmed that Handel was a dues-paying member of the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans, noting that the LCR database shows she became a member in July 2002 and he remembers receiving a check for the membership from Handel at the LCR booth at the Atlanta Pride Festival, held at the end of June….

On Monday night, Yeager provided copies of three email exchanges between him and Handel from 2002 and 2003. They show the two had a friendly as well as political relationship, with Handel inquiring about Yeager’s vacations while also telling him about gay endorsement interviews and seeking his advice on the Georgia Equality candidate survey.

The first exchange, from July 2002, shows Handel sending Yeager a draft of her answers to Georgia Equality’s candidate survey, and Yeager responding with recommendations.

“As I’ve told you, I do support domestic partner benefits, and confirm my position here, although I do have concerns about a domestic partner registry,” Handel writes in the email. “Bottom line is that I will work with you and other GLBT leaders to develop workable legislation. Give me a call if you have questions. Otherwise, we can talk at the BBQ on Sunday.”

Asked in the GE survey if she has LGBT constituents and about her interactions with them, Handel responded, “I have numerous gay and lesbian friends, and my interaction is mostly on a personal level with these individuals. I am also a member of the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans and participated in this year’s Pride Weekend activities and attended the recent Georgia Equity/Human Rights Campaign forum regarding federal ENDA legislation.

“I believe it is important that, if we are to achieve real progress for Fulton County, we must reach out to all segments of our community, and I am committed to this,” Handel wrote.

In an exchange in mid-October 2002, Handel and Yeager discuss her interview for Georgia Equality’s endorsement and her stand on domestic partner benefits. Handel said she supports the benefits for county workers, but has privacy concerns about a DP registry open to all Fulton residents.”

The emails, if authentic, pretty much nail down Handel’s membership in the Log Cabin Republicans and her support for providing domestic partnership benefits for Fulton County employees. They also confirm the impression that Handel projected at the time as an old-fashioned Republican who was more interested in running government effectively and fairly than in using it to act out various resentments against various groups of people.

Somewhere along the way, though, someone pulled her aside and told her that if she wanted to play the politics game on a larger stage, she had to toe the party line on such issues. She has since followed that advice with an eagerness and avidity that I’ve found disappointing, and she continues to do so in this campaign.

So it’s going to be interesting: Will she now step up her denunciation of people whose support she once sought in order to advance her political ambitions? Can a Georgia Republican win the party’s gubernatorial primary with a record of having supported domestic partnership benefits for gay people? Or will Republicans punish Deal for trying to drag the state back into an era that many thought and hoped we had left behind?

The answers will tell us a lot about the state of the state.

UPDATE: Jim Galloway at Political Insider has posted the three emails cited above. The Handel campaign claims that she never supported domestic partnership benefits, and that the 2002 email from Handel stating otherwise was actually written by a staffer.

It’s a lame explanation, especially since Handel alludes to her support for domestic partnership benefits in another email whose authorship has not (yet) been challenged by her campaign.

434 comments Add your comment

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:21 am

More fun than abortion!

Peckerwood

June 8th, 2010
10:27 am

30 years ago NO ONE especially a Politican would dare support any gay right. Geesh how far this country has slipped. Oh and before you label me a religous wingnut you better think again. I dont care if you worship a duck.

TaxPayer

June 8th, 2010
10:27 am

What is this talk of an emerging issue. The GOP issues are well established. After all, they come up in every single election.

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:29 am

“Somewhere along the way, though, someone pulled her aside and told her that if she wanted to play the politics game on a larger stage…”

The same stage managers who pulled somebody else aside and told him not to be such a “fierce advocate?”

The Drunken Indian’s looking better by the day, ain’t he? :-)

CREW Fair & Balanced

June 8th, 2010
10:32 am

15 Most Corrupt in Washington

**Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA)**
•Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
•Sen. Roland Burris (D-IL)
•Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
•Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)
•Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)
•Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
•Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
•Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)
•Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)
•Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)
•Rep. Laura Richardson (D-CA)
•Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-IN)
•Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
•Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:33 am

nuttin’ like getting your hate on (particularly against teh ghey) – it’s a GOP speciality de la maison …

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:33 am

Abortion and gay rights in one day.

Anything to defer from what is really going on, I guess.

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
10:35 am

I wonder how heterosexual people would feel about their personal lives being the fodder of every Republican political campaign. Perhaps these “family value” pricks should concentrate on their own family.

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:35 am

And what does Roy Boy say? Well, hmmm, and, then whatever, I love everybody…is there a breeze in here…what’s for dinner, Grandpa–? Look! There’s a bird…

http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/gay_dems_we_want_barnes_as_georgia_governor?gid=4960

larry

June 8th, 2010
10:35 am

Lets see……accusing someone of being a member of the Log Cabin Republicans vs. arm twisting and other wrestling moves on the dept. of Revenue to futher your business interests.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:35 am

10:33 – so, you complain that Jay has 5 days of posts on the Gulf and now you’re complaining that he is talking about local races …

… man, there’s no pleasing some folks …

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:37 am

jewcowboy – “I wonder how heterosexual people would feel about their personal lives being the fodder of every Republican political campaign”

see the thread below – as a woman, I’m used to it (what I can/can’t use for birth control, whether I can/can’t have an abortion, if I work and put my kids in child care, if I stay home, if I choose not to have any kids at all … )

Mick

June 8th, 2010
10:38 am

bug @10:33 – this may be a shocking moment, but I agree

Matilda

June 8th, 2010
10:38 am

I spat all my nails in the previous topic. Jewcowboy said it all: “Perhaps these family value pricks should concentrate on their own family.” I can’t believe we’re still having these discussions. All these problems started when men broke down and gave us wimmin folks the right to own property and vote, you know. Geebuss! (At least I saw the second ammendment light and armed myself against the Talibaptists!)

larry

June 8th, 2010
10:38 am

USinUK…….its all about labels and soundbites.

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:40 am

I wonder how homosexual people feel about their personal lives being used as fodder to stereotype any and all Republicans as thinking the same and stirring up yet more hate as a basis for yet another class warfare, hate filled democratic political movement?

Isn’t it convient to call anyone who believes that a strong family as being important as Family Value Pricks.

So where is the hate here? IS it the Republicans or the insult hurling, hate filled bitter Democrats who are once again going to vote on a basis of politically inspired hate.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:40 am

larry – 10:38 – you got that right – bumper sticker politics

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:40 am

jewcowboy

Good! You’re here…and at the risk of dividing our agenda-riddled united front…at least the GOP is upfront with what they say and not like the Dems, pandering for the vote and the pocketbook and then, well…we’ll see…

i want it now and all or nothing… I’m an old f*rt, ain’t got time to “do a study…” :-)

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
10:40 am

USinUK,

“as a woman, I’m used to it”

Silly girl…your body isn’t yours to decide what to do with…it’s up to straight old white men to decide…just like my personal life. They know what is best for us ;)

moonbat betty

June 8th, 2010
10:41 am

Are there any democrats running this time?

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
10:42 am

So…I wonder how long it will take Scout to ask a question equating gay people with pedophiles. Any bets?

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:42 am

matilda
When and where did you as an English common law woman get the right to own property?

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:43 am

moonbat

Yeah, there are some Dems…see what Roy has to say (or not say) on the subject….

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:44 am

jewcowboy … 10:40 – and it’s a good thing, too … give me more time to think about shoes … celebrity gossip … makeup …

Union

June 8th, 2010
10:44 am

what exactly are “gay” rights anyway? you can live your life however you want to.. but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
10:45 am

Abortion and Gay Rights in the same day? It’s only the beginning of the month…you shouldn’t need to reach your quota yet!

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:45 am

Mick

We swap insults, but I know that you are not stupid.

I also know that Jay has to come up with several topics every day, so everything can’t be as relevant as others, but with everything going on, it seems that some articles could address them.

I would like to see an article on the lifting of the ban on whaling. i’d like to see an article on the affect of Hollywood on Obama. He called in James cameron for advice on the oil spill. What does James Cameron know about a deep water oil leak?

larry

June 8th, 2010
10:45 am

So where is the hate here? , It is with Mr. Deal and the last time i checked he was a Repbublican.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:48 am

jewcowboy – “I wonder how long it will take Scout to ask a question equating gay people with pedophiles.”

well, we had peadawg comparing having an abortion to alcoholism, so it’s just a matter o’ time …

AmVet

June 8th, 2010
10:48 am

Yeah Jay!

Way to distract us from the real deal (get it?) issues of the day by exposing the positions of people who are running for governor of the freaking state!

Deal is a lowlife. Even by the horrific Georgia GOP standards. That’s why he is gonna get a boatload of votes…

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
10:48 am

“More fun than abortion!”

josef, you crack me up.

Union

June 8th, 2010
10:48 am

jc.. dang those angry old white men!! maybe you and the other gals should move to africa.. they still practice fgm over there.. makes those angry old white men look about as threatening as obama

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:48 am

Jewcowboy

“Silly girl…your body isn’t yours to decide what to do with…it’s up to straight old white men to decide…just like my personal life. They know what is best for us ”

That stance worked right up until the time that the federal Government decided that no one’s body is their own and it is the responsibility of the government to regulate what we eat and how our children are raised and how our health care will work.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:49 am

“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

wanting to have the same rights as heterosexuals is being treated special?

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:50 am

“it is the responsibility of the government to regulate what we eat and how our children are raised ”

really? they regulate what we eat? they do?? tell us all about it! how does the government regulate what we eat?

and how do they regulate how you raise your children, with the exception of education and immunizations?

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:50 am

Union
Fair question and I’ll answer…the same civil rights afforded any other citizen with no descrimination…that centers on the right to have our unions recognized on an equal level with heterosexual ones, the same requirements for both, and the right to have our families recognized as just as legitimate as any other…

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
10:50 am

“wanting to have the same rights as heterosexuals is being treated special?”

Do we have a “straight day” when we all call into work just b/c we’re straight?

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
10:51 am

“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

Let’s first treat them equal, and then we’ll talk about special.

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
10:52 am

Union @ 10:48 –

The old “if you don’t like it why don’t you leave?” argument? Really?

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:53 am

USinUK

I’ll answer that as soon as you tell me how old white men tell you what to do with your body.

Union

June 8th, 2010
10:53 am

usinuk.. i shared a house with another guy for three years when i got out of the military.. just because my roommate and i didnt feel the need get naked and make out with one another.. we should be denied rights to shared benefits because we were straight? so what makes two guys (gals) getting all romantic with one another a defined right to benefits?

AmVet

June 8th, 2010
10:53 am

Yep, JB’s cons are hating their blogging life today.

It is what I have been doing for years and years now, and it needs to be done.

Educating people to and exposing the insanely outdated and extremist positions of the mainstream lunatic fringe that hijacked the once Grand Old Party..

Remember when Republicans were just annoying little pr!cks but weren’t so damn deadly and counter-productive?

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:53 am

.”..and how do they regulate how you raise your children, with the exception of education and immunizations?”

Well, as a gay couple who raised three kids…we could tell you a lot about that…

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
10:54 am

josef nix,

“i want it now and all or nothing… I’m an old f*rt, ain’t got time to “do a study…”

While I understand your frustration, but this administration has done much for gay people:
1. Signed the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
2. Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees
3. Endorsed the Baldwin-Lieberman bill, The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009, to provide full partnership benefits to federal employees
4. Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
5. Lifted the HIV Entry Ban effective January 2010
6. Released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamation since 2000
7. Hosted the first LGBT Pride Month Celebration in White House history
8. Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King
9. Appointed the first transgender DNC member in history
10. Issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees
11. Committed to ensuring that HUD’s core housing programs are open to all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity
12. Conceived a National Resource Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Elders — the nation’s first ever — funded by a three-year HHS grant to SAGE
13. Testified in favor of ENDA, the first time any official of any administration has testified in the Senate on ENDA
14. Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability — the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation’s history
15. Supported lower taxes for same-sex couples who receive health benefits from employers
16. Hired and appointed a record number of qualified LGBT Americans, including more than 10 Senate-confirmed appointments
17. Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)
18. Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation’s largest employer)
19. Appointed long-time equality champion Chai Feldblum one of the four Commissioners of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
20. Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept our relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage
21. Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights.

Matilda

June 8th, 2010
10:54 am

bugatti,

“Isn’t it convient to call anyone who believes that a strong family as being important as Family Value Pricks.”

I can see how you might [choose to] interpret the statement that way, so please allow me to clarify the sentiment. Many of us have a problem with “conservative” people who want to control everyone else’s personal lives claiming that they, somehow, have a monopoly on placing value on strong family relationships and using it as a political weapon against those who favor the freedom of individuals to make their own choices regarding marriage and reproduction. I feel that I have strong family values, since I sacrificed so much of my own life/dreams/desires to put the needs of my children first. Furthermore, I’ve met many Republicans with multiple ex-wives and scattered children in dysfunctional half-sibling families. (Had a Republican BF a few years back with two ex-wives and four children who wanted a freaking MEDAL for paying his court-ordered child support, and yet blasted me for being a “liberal.”)

Caring about families does not make one a prick. Assuming a superior stance by making it a political issue just might.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:54 am

“Do we have a “straight day” when we all call into work just b/c we’re straight?”

and exactly how many people have been calling in gay?

as far as “straight pride” day, I’d say that is pretty much 365 days/year, on every channel, in nearly every magazint, in every newspaper …

Saul Good

June 8th, 2010
10:54 am

Jay… nice to know you read my posts and the links provided. Glad SOMEONE else gives a “hootnanny” and sees the irony in things. This was definitely a post I was hoping for. It just continues to show the hypocrisy that continues to define the right on “moral” issues. With all going on in the world…you’d have think they’d argue and debate about things that REALLY matter…but nope. There are always those who still think life and politics are forever stuck in 2000-2004. It’s clear that many GA politicians still are.

Someone please remind and tell them once again: It’s the ECONOMY STUPID!

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:55 am

Peadawg

Every day is straight day…and, well, why not? Y’all are 90% of the population, discounting the sufferers of the GWIDLA syndrome…

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:56 am

Union – “we should be denied rights to shared benefits because we were straight?”

what rights were you denied, exactly?

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
10:56 am

“and exactly how many people have been calling in gay?”

It was some day last November or December I think. I don’t know the numbers. I just remember there being a big hoopla about it.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:57 am

Josef – “GWIDLA”??

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
10:57 am

USinUK,

Next up – Peadawg complains about Black Entertainment Television.

N-GA

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

Jay – Your opinion piece was going so well….why did you stop short? You should have asked which candidate the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans are endorsing! It might have made for interesting debate. As it is…not so much.

AmVet

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

jnix, simmer, brother. And enjoy one helluva gay man…

(Oh, and turn it way up.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ubLOKbx-Y

Union

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

bosch.. dont be stupid… i know its hard.. but try.. my point was.. all the whining is stupid here.. people worried about some non existent right for gays.. i could care less.. i want people to be happy in whatever they do.. just be happy.. back to point.. jay is bringing up some nuance of a topic in a governors race.. less face it.. does it really matter.. when in the REAL world.. there are places that when you come out of the closet.. they take you outside and stone you to death.. now.. that would seem to be a tad bit more troublesome..

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

Peadawg – “It was some day last November or December I think. I don’t know the numbers”

you might want to look something up before using it as an example – in this case, it doesn’t support your point … at all

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465224,00.html

A daylong work stoppage during which employees were encouraged to “call in gay” to express support for same-sex marriage drew spotty participation nationwide Wednesday, with some gay rights activists praising the concept but questioning its effect.

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

Matilda

The problem that I have with all of this is the fact that we have had legal abortions for 40 years and I don’t know of anyone, other than the people working for the government that has any power to tell you anything about the way you raised your kids.

All these talking points were very relevant in 1968.

Please point out the conservatives who are intruding into your life.

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
10:58 am

jewcowboy

Point made…but it’s just a slap dash approach, a bone here and a bone there, nothing comprehensive…

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
10:59 am

Bosch – 10:57 – I was putting money on the United Negro College Fund …

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
11:00 am

Republicans have no problem with gay people…as long as they stay in that Minnesota airport bathroom.

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
11:00 am

USinUK, just b/c there were “few participants” doesn’t make it any less moronic. I was just pointing out that there are SOME cases where gays want something special, not “equal.”

“Next up – Peadawg complains about Black Entertainment Television.”

You got that crystal ball shoved up your azz again, I see.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:01 am

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:01 am

Enter your comments here

Union

June 8th, 2010
11:01 am

jc.. is that gay humor?

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
11:01 am

Mark Foley
Ted Haggard
Larry Craig
Bob Allen
Glenn Murphy Jr.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:02 am

Peadawg – “I was just pointing out that there are SOME cases where gays want something special, not “equal.””

and, again, I ask … what do they want that is special?

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
11:02 am

Matilda

BTW. Be more selective about who you date. I would be willing to bet that the liberal/conservative conflict wasn’t the only conflict you were having.

AmVet

June 8th, 2010
11:02 am

jcb and jnix, pray to whatever deity you (don’t?) believe in and thank him/her/it that at least you’re not in some country where “they take you outside and stone you to death…”

WOO HOO!

I ALWAYS love that lowest common denominator argument!

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:03 am

“You got that crystal ball shoved up your azz again, I see.”

My my Peadawg, such vitriol so early. If I didn’t know better, I’d thought your feathers are ruffled because you are embarrassed that you got your ass handed to you in an earlier discussion. But what do I know?

Saul Good

June 8th, 2010
11:03 am

USinUK…and there’s always that “Disney Gay Day” (or whatever it’s called) that they like to bring up year after year… the calling for a boycott…but STILL they soon forget about it, bring the kiddies there year after year to see Micky and Donald (who just might be gay themselves yaknow…haha)…and take them to Disney produced movies…. and buy their videos so they can use them to “babysit” while they post on facebook all day long…or ummm…even dare I say: HERE on Jay’s blog! :)

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:03 am

And just so you know – you don’t have to enter your comments there, you can do it in the little box as always.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:03 am

jewcowboy – 11:00 – or are “rent boys” to “carry their luggage”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/family-research-council-head-h.html

(hey, is that some kind of new gay lingo?)

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
11:04 am

“and, again, I ask … what do they want that is special?”

In this case, some wanted to call in sick just b/c they were gay/support gay rights and expect to have a job the next day.

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
11:04 am

USinUK

Don’t you think there should be some limitation on abortions?

Wasn’t Natalie Holloway’s demise just a very late term abortion?

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
11:06 am

“you are embarrassed that you got your ass handed to you in an earlier discussion.”

I said I’m pro-life. You somehow took that as I’m pro-choice even though I clearly said and continue to say I’m pro-life. I’m not going to keep going in circles.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:06 am

pdawg – 11:04 – and that’s different from people calling in sick to watch World Cup … or calling in sick for a “mental health day” … or calling in sick to hit the links …

AmVet

June 8th, 2010
11:06 am

USinUK, now THAT is what I’d call a rogues gallery of the modern day, albeit it short lived, neo-con movement.

Rather disturbing and hysterical all at the same time…

Saul Good

June 8th, 2010
11:07 am

what rights were you denied, exactly?

Oh dear…that’s like asking the Queen of All Quitters what newspapers she reads! Trick question! :)

larry

June 8th, 2010
11:07 am

If i were Handal’s campign manager , i would be chomping at the bit to get after Mr. Deal.

Union

June 8th, 2010
11:07 am

what kind of loser would call in sick to watch a world cup?

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
11:07 am

Usually USinUK, when you play hooky, you’re smart and don’t tell your boss what you’re really doing. In this case, it seemed like they were wanting to make a big deal out of it and let there boss know they were playing hooky. See the differences?

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
11:08 am

AmVet

Heh, heh! Industrial Strength Contrarians (ISC) unite!

UsUK

Oops! That should have been GWIDLN, the G-d! Was I Drunk Last Night Syndrome…from Mort Crowley’s “The Boys in the Band…” :-)

larry

June 8th, 2010
11:08 am

Just trying to keep it from going off on a way different tangent.

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:08 am

Peadawg,

You are pro-choice if you believe it okay to end someone’s life to save another — since there is a choice involved. You can not be pro-life if you believe it okay to end one (the mother’s).

Jefferson

June 8th, 2010
11:09 am

If you can’t win with results, call your opponent names.

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:09 am

Union,

Go to any bar in Atlanta Friday afternoon and you’ll find out.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:09 am

dammit … the borg ate my post … (second time)

bugatti – I don’t think Congress should stick its nose in what goes on between physician and patient. late term abortions are less than 1% of all abortions and have to be recommended by at least 2 doctors. this is NOT something undertaken lightly – and it should NOT be treated like a political football to be spiked in the endzone.

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
11:09 am

Peadawg

What you are seeing here is why these two subjects can’t be civilly discussed with liberals. If you don’t agree with every single thing they say, expect to be attacked like you single handedly brought down the World Trade Center and bombed Pearl Harbor.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:10 am

pdawg – “Usually USinUK, when you play hooky, you’re smart and don’t tell your boss what you’re really doing. In this case, it seemed like they were wanting to make a big deal out of it and let there boss know they were playing hooky”

which is why participation was so low.

Bosch

June 8th, 2010
11:10 am

bug,

“What you are seeing here is why these two subjects can’t be civilly discussed with liberals.”

Oh my freaking God – where, please, is the uncivility? Do tell.

Peadawg

June 8th, 2010
11:11 am

Ok Boschy, here’s a definition of pro-life:
“advocating full legal protection of embryos and fetuses (especially opposing the legalization of induced abortions)”

According to that definition, I’m pro-life. According to your f’ed up definition, I’m somehow pro-choice.

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
11:11 am

Union,

“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

When you have to go through the hoops I did to get the body of your partner of 10 years back from overseas to bury after being killed in an accident, even after being prepared and spending in excess of $15K on lawyers bills to ensure you are considered “equal” in front of the law, then we will talk about “special” treatment.

Until that point comes, you have no a clue in hell, what gay men and women go through on a daily basis.

Union

June 8th, 2010
11:11 am

bosch.. awesome.. be a great place to fire people and put some people to work that want a job.. that is unless your a govt employee.. then youre pretty much useless anyway

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:11 am

amvet – 11:06 – you got that right

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
11:12 am

USinUK

“and it should NOT be treated like a political football to be spiked in the endzone.”

We agree on that statement, however, I would be willing to bet that between the two of us, I’m the only one that thinks that it shouldn’t be used by either party.

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:12 am

jo nix – 11:08 – :lol:

josef nix

June 8th, 2010
11:14 am

AmVet

“jcb and jnix, pray to whatever deity you (don’t?) believe in and thank him/her/it that at least you’re not in some country where “they take you outside and stone you to death…”

Let’s see, that would be the nation we’re sending our sons and daughters to build in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia whose king (queen) is such a favorite of the current administration, and Iran we’re supposed to be “opening dialogue” with and Yemen we’re out to prop up…hmmmm DADT

USinUK

June 8th, 2010
11:14 am

bugatti – “I’m the only one that thinks that it shouldn’t be used by either party.”

how, exactly, are the Dems using it? hell, they took abortion access OUT of the health care bill, fercryingoutloud.

bugatti

June 8th, 2010
11:15 am

Bosch

“Oh my freaking God – where, please, is the uncivility? Do tell.”

We could start with you demanding that Peadog is saying what you are saying that he is saying instead of what he knows that he is saying. Let it go, man. the guy knows what he meant. You don’t.

jewcowboy

June 8th, 2010
11:15 am

Union,

“there are places that when you come out of the closet.. they take you outside and stone you to death.. now.. that would seem to be a tad bit more troublesome..”

How about those in the US that encourage them?

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/06/watch-missionaries-of-hate-a-new-documentary-exploring-american-evangelical-antigay-efforts-in-ugand.html