Gay rights emerging as issue in GOP primary for governor

30 years ago NO ONE especially a Politican would dare support any gay right. Geesh how far this country has slipped. Oh and before you label me a religous wingnut you better think again. I dont care if you worship a duck.

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“Somewhere along the way, though, someone pulled her aside and told her that if she wanted to play the politics game on a larger stage…”

The same stage managers who pulled somebody else aside and told him not to be such a “fierce advocate?”

The Drunken Indian’s looking better by the day, ain’t he?

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nuttin’ like getting your hate on (particularly against teh ghey) – it’s a GOP speciality de la maison …

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I wonder how heterosexual people would feel about their personal lives being the fodder of every Republican political campaign. Perhaps these “family value” pricks should concentrate on their own family.

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Lets see……accusing someone of being a member of the Log Cabin Republicans vs. arm twisting and other wrestling moves on the dept. of Revenue to futher your business interests.

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jewcowboy – “I wonder how heterosexual people would feel about their personal lives being the fodder of every Republican political campaign”

see the thread below – as a woman, I’m used to it (what I can/can’t use for birth control, whether I can/can’t have an abortion, if I work and put my kids in child care, if I stay home, if I choose not to have any kids at all … )

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I spat all my nails in the previous topic. Jewcowboy said it all: “Perhaps these family value pricks should concentrate on their own family.” I can’t believe we’re still having these discussions. All these problems started when men broke down and gave us wimmin folks the right to own property and vote, you know. Geebuss! (At least I saw the second ammendment light and armed myself against the Talibaptists!)

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I wonder how homosexual people feel about their personal lives being used as fodder to stereotype any and all Republicans as thinking the same and stirring up yet more hate as a basis for yet another class warfare, hate filled democratic political movement?

Isn’t it convient to call anyone who believes that a strong family as being important as Family Value Pricks.

So where is the hate here? IS it the Republicans or the insult hurling, hate filled bitter Democrats who are once again going to vote on a basis of politically inspired hate.

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jewcowboy

Good! You’re here…and at the risk of dividing our agenda-riddled united front…at least the GOP is upfront with what they say and not like the Dems, pandering for the vote and the pocketbook and then, well…we’ll see…

i want it now and all or nothing… I’m an old f*rt, ain’t got time to “do a study…”
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Are there any democrats running this time?

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matilda
When and where did you as an English common law woman get the right to own property?

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jewcowboy … 10:40 – and it’s a good thing, too … give me more time to think about shoes … celebrity gossip … makeup …

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Abortion and Gay Rights in the same day? It’s only the beginning of the month…you shouldn’t need to reach your quota yet!

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So where is the hate here? , It is with Mr. Deal and the last time i checked he was a Repbublican.

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Yeah Jay!

Way to distract us from the real deal (get it?) issues of the day by exposing the positions of people who are running for governor of the freaking state!

Deal is a lowlife. Even by the horrific Georgia GOP standards. That’s why he is gonna get a boatload of votes…

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jc.. dang those angry old white men!! maybe you and the other gals should move to africa.. they still practice fgm over there.. makes those angry old white men look about as threatening as obama

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“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

wanting to have the same rights as heterosexuals is being treated special?

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Union
Fair question and I’ll answer…the same civil rights afforded any other citizen with no descrimination…that centers on the right to have our unions recognized on an equal level with heterosexual ones, the same requirements for both, and the right to have our families recognized as just as legitimate as any other…

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“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

Let’s first treat them equal, and then we’ll talk about special.

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USinUK

I’ll answer that as soon as you tell me how old white men tell you what to do with your body.

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Yep, JB’s cons are hating their blogging life today.

It is what I have been doing for years and years now, and it needs to be done.

Educating people to and exposing the insanely outdated and extremist positions of the mainstream lunatic fringe that hijacked the once Grand Old Party..

Remember when Republicans were just annoying little pr!cks but weren’t so damn deadly and counter-productive?

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josef nix,

“i want it now and all or nothing… I’m an old f*rt, ain’t got time to “do a study…”

While I understand your frustration, but this administration has done much for gay people:
1. Signed the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
2. Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees
3. Endorsed the Baldwin-Lieberman bill, The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009, to provide full partnership benefits to federal employees
4. Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
5. Lifted the HIV Entry Ban effective January 2010
6. Released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamation since 2000
7. Hosted the first LGBT Pride Month Celebration in White House history
8. Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King
9. Appointed the first transgender DNC member in history
10. Issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees
11. Committed to ensuring that HUD’s core housing programs are open to all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity
12. Conceived a National Resource Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Elders — the nation’s first ever — funded by a three-year HHS grant to SAGE
13. Testified in favor of ENDA, the first time any official of any administration has testified in the Senate on ENDA
14. Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability — the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation’s history
15. Supported lower taxes for same-sex couples who receive health benefits from employers
16. Hired and appointed a record number of qualified LGBT Americans, including more than 10 Senate-confirmed appointments
17. Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)
18. Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation’s largest employer)
19. Appointed long-time equality champion Chai Feldblum one of the four Commissioners of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
20. Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept our relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage
21. Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights.

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“Do we have a “straight day” when we all call into work just b/c we’re straight?”

and exactly how many people have been calling in gay?

as far as “straight pride” day, I’d say that is pretty much 365 days/year, on every channel, in nearly every magazint, in every newspaper …

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Peadawg

Every day is straight day…and, well, why not? Y’all are 90% of the population, discounting the sufferers of the GWIDLA syndrome…

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“and exactly how many people have been calling in gay?”

It was some day last November or December I think. I don’t know the numbers. I just remember there being a big hoopla about it.

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USinUK,

Next up – Peadawg complains about Black Entertainment Television.

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jnix, simmer, brother. And enjoy one helluva gay man…

(Oh, and turn it way up.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ubLOKbx-Y

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Peadawg – “It was some day last November or December I think. I don’t know the numbers”

you might want to look something up before using it as an example – in this case, it doesn’t support your point … at all

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465224,00.html

A daylong work stoppage during which employees were encouraged to “call in gay” to express support for same-sex marriage drew spotty participation nationwide Wednesday, with some gay rights activists praising the concept but questioning its effect.

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jewcowboy

Point made…but it’s just a slap dash approach, a bone here and a bone there, nothing comprehensive…

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Republicans have no problem with gay people…as long as they stay in that Minnesota airport bathroom.

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bugatti – 10:53 – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Signing_the_Partial-Birth_Abortion_ban.jpg

pictures do say 1K words …

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jc.. is that gay humor?

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Peadawg – “I was just pointing out that there are SOME cases where gays want something special, not “equal.””

and, again, I ask … what do they want that is special?

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jcb and jnix, pray to whatever deity you (don’t?) believe in and thank him/her/it that at least you’re not in some country where “they take you outside and stone you to death…”

WOO HOO!

I ALWAYS love that lowest common denominator argument!

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USinUK…and there’s always that “Disney Gay Day” (or whatever it’s called) that they like to bring up year after year… the calling for a boycott…but STILL they soon forget about it, bring the kiddies there year after year to see Micky and Donald (who just might be gay themselves yaknow…haha)…and take them to Disney produced movies…. and buy their videos so they can use them to “babysit” while they post on facebook all day long…or ummm…even dare I say: HERE on Jay’s blog!

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jewcowboy – 11:00 – or are “rent boys” to “carry their luggage”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/family-research-council-head-h.html

(hey, is that some kind of new gay lingo?)

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USinUK

Don’t you think there should be some limitation on abortions?

Wasn’t Natalie Holloway’s demise just a very late term abortion?

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pdawg – 11:04 – and that’s different from people calling in sick to watch World Cup … or calling in sick for a “mental health day” … or calling in sick to hit the links …

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what rights were you denied, exactly?

Oh dear…that’s like asking the Queen of All Quitters what newspapers she reads! Trick question!

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what kind of loser would call in sick to watch a world cup?

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AmVet

Heh, heh! Industrial Strength Contrarians (ISC) unite!

UsUK

Oops! That should have been GWIDLN, the G-d! Was I Drunk Last Night Syndrome…from Mort Crowley’s “The Boys in the Band…”

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Peadawg,

You are pro-choice if you believe it okay to end someone’s life to save another — since there is a choice involved. You can not be pro-life if you believe it okay to end one (the mother’s).

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Union,

Go to any bar in Atlanta Friday afternoon and you’ll find out.

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Peadawg

What you are seeing here is why these two subjects can’t be civilly discussed with liberals. If you don’t agree with every single thing they say, expect to be attacked like you single handedly brought down the World Trade Center and bombed Pearl Harbor.

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bug,

“What you are seeing here is why these two subjects can’t be civilly discussed with liberals.”

Oh my freaking God – where, please, is the uncivility? Do tell.

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Union,

“but why should someone be “treated” special because they are gay?”

When you have to go through the hoops I did to get the body of your partner of 10 years back from overseas to bury after being killed in an accident, even after being prepared and spending in excess of $15K on lawyers bills to ensure you are considered “equal” in front of the law, then we will talk about “special” treatment.

Until that point comes, you have no a clue in hell, what gay men and women go through on a daily basis.

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amvet – 11:06 – you got that right

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jo nix – 11:08 –

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bugatti – “I’m the only one that thinks that it shouldn’t be used by either party.”

how, exactly, are the Dems using it? hell, they took abortion access OUT of the health care bill, fercryingoutloud.

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Union,

“there are places that when you come out of the closet.. they take you outside and stone you to death.. now.. that would seem to be a tad bit more troublesome..”

How about those in the US that encourage them?

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/06/watch-missionaries-of-hate-a-new-documentary-exploring-american-evangelical-antigay-efforts-in-ugand.html

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jewcowboy

@ 11:11

Testify!

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BOSCH said:

“Union,

Go to any bar in Atlanta Friday afternoon and you’ll find out.”

Too funny! Sorry “fut-ball” and the World Cup was never written into out nation’s Constitution just like the Super Bowel or NCAA playoffs were!

(though many of the talibangelical right LOVED it and felt so much “national pride” when our LADIES won it a few years ago. The very one’s who bought their kiddies Mia Hamm posters).

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bugatti – “We could start with you demanding that Peadog is saying what you are saying that he is saying instead of what he knows that he is saying”

actually, that’s not the case. Bosch asked Peadawg a question which he, for the last 2 hours, has refused to answer.

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“You are not pro-life if you believe in terminating it.”

Dude, shut up. Seriously.

“Bosch asked Peadawg a question which he, for the last 2 hours, has refused to answer.”

What question was that? I answered the “mother or baby” question.

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bugatti – “So you don’t think the democrats use abortions to scare people into voting for Democrats?”

no, the GOP does that on their very own – they don’t need the Dems’ help

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bugatti,

Haha! Thanks! I have become more selective. The Republican BF was totally self-absorbed, AND a tax cheat, always bragging about writing off our dinners as “business” meetings. Lazy, too. From the comfort of my sofa, he watched me prime and paint a large room, and summoned me off the ladder more than once to freshen his drink. Did not appreciate a woman with a work ethic, apparently. (Nice women pay someone else to do it?) Hmm… That was the last night I ever freshened his drinks.

“Conservatives” are not intruding upon my personal decisions (at the moment), but the aforementioned politicians would love to make themselves look important by limiting the choices of my daughter and her friends, should (God forbid) they someday get date raped in college, or some other awfulness. That’s intrusive.

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Union,

“great example.. so because of your unique situation.. society as a whole should be altered just so you wont have to be “put out”?”

Exactly how is “society as a whole” being altered? How does me have the same rights as you, affect your life in any way?

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“The answers will tell us a lot about the state of the state.”

Are the answers in doubt?

G’morning, jewcowboy

“I wonder how heterosexual people would feel about their personal lives being the fodder of every Republican political campaign.”

I don’t know the current state of Georgia law. My understanding is Georgia’s oral sex laws were invalidated in 1998. Even if they were, Handel should come back swinging against Deal and Oxendine. She should ask both men if they violated Georgia law before 1998. She should ask why they engaged in behavior that was legally defined as perverted and unnatural. She should ask them to state if they compelled women to do this. She should ask them to apologize if they are guilty.

Fornication was also against the law in Georgia. She should have both men swear they were virgins when they married. Then publicly ask if anyone would contradict them. She should ask their wives if they had sex before marriage and broke Georgia law.

She should wrap them around the axle and keep it spinning.

The best defense is a good offense.

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“Of course it is common knowledge that the GOP could care less about FREEDOM.”

N-GA wins teh interwebz!

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http://www.ajc.com/sports/obama-mlb-should-consider-543881.html

Why is this on the ajc.com sports page?

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” How does me have the same rights as you, affect your life in any way?”

it threatens his marriage.

or something like that.

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Correction for clarification: “She should ask their wives if they had sex before marriage with their current husband and broke Georgia law.”

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AmVet,

The real kicker of the whole this was the municipal gov’t of Dubai was more helpful to me than our own State Department.

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“OFF TOPIC #1″

Headline: “Obama says he’s finding out ‘whose ass to kick’ over Gulf disaster”

……… and after you have done that Mr. President, turn around and bend over (metaphorically speaking) !

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Hi Paul!

It’s been a while…

“She should wrap them around the axle and keep it spinning”

Great points…I’m sure no good ole boy in the State of GA ever received a bj

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What boneheads don’t seem to understand is the whole world don’t always think like they do and while you may have the right to speak and think, that doesn’t mean it is “right”. Most of the problem is not minding one’s own business. We have courts and laws to resolve conflicts. Boneheads that can’t accept these things are why they are boneheads.

This is true about most issues, and the best example is clearly Chevy vs. Ford. Just ask anyone.

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N-GA

I’m not going to get into this, but abortions rights do involve two people, not just one.

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bug! Get to work! Slacker!

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josef nix,

To your point earlier about Obama, he does seem to be taking a more, eh-hum, “back door” approach to gay rights, so as to not upset the apple cart. Which, as you pointed out, begs the question, where is our “fierce advocate”?

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The real kicker of the whole this was the municipal gov’t of Dubai was more helpful to me than our own State Department.

My god I wish I were surprised. There are honestly times that I am embarrassed for my government’s hateful policies.

Looks like Andy and HeadRush have a new rectally obsessed playmate…

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“abortions rights do involve two people, not just one”

yep. a woman and her doctor.

that’s it.

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“start the Christian bashing in 3…2…1…”

Sorry, Peadawg, but you are not the master debater as you picture in yourself in your mind.

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bug – “Do I look like an IT guy?”

the mister is an IT guy – we even get our neighbors coming over to ask for his help …

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And Peadawg,

You do realize that it really doesn’t matter if you are a life-long Christian or whatever, you don’t speak for all of us. Right?

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Matilda

Good for you. There are givers and there are takers. And then you have old givers who are PO’d that they have ben taken advantage of their entire lives so they are a bitter giver.

i have been trying to learn about Red Flags my entire life. But you have to be careful about that because Red Flags might not be a real red flag but someone having a rare day.

But one thing is for sure anybody who uses this line: I thought I could change them” deserves everything they get. They recognized the problem and still stuck around. Nothing is dumber than that.

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Peadawg,

So then why throw in the “as a life-long Christian” as if that has anything in the world to do with the topic at hand?

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Here we go again… you can’t think of any way to turn this state around and make it great once again so you bash the gays because it is easy. So typical. So pathetic.

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“however, when it comes to a LEGAL contract (which a marriage is), your religious belief shouldn’t factor in.”

Maybe that’s the way it’s intended w/ the “separation of church and state”, but you can’t ENTIRELY separate the two. If they’re serious about the separation, they should change the pledge of allegiance to “one nation under Canada above Mexico”. Do you support changing it?

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“So then why throw in the “as a life-long Christian” as if that has anything in the world to do with the topic at hand?”

B/c to some people being a Christian means something.

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Peadawg

Christian bashing? Not from this quarter. When we were in Coosa raising the kids, there was a knock at the door one night. It was the Baptist minister from up the street come to invite us to “visit our church family.” We invited him in, offered him coffee. thanked him for the invitation and as diplomatically as we could, let him know that we were gay. His response? “Oh, Thursday is our couple’s night.” Were we surprised? Shocked would be a better word, but he was a man of faith who practiced what he preached. More should do that, whatever the faith or lack thereof.

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“B/c to some people being a Christian means something.”

And? Again, why throw in “as a life-long Christian” as if that has anything to do with the topic dujour?

Damn, you’re dense.

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Peadawg – “If they’re serious about the separation, they should change the pledge of allegiance to “one nation under Canada above Mexico””

you realize that the FFs had nothing to do with the pledge, don’t you … and that the “under god” bit was added in the 1950s …

not to mention, it’s not a legally binding contract.

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“to some people being a Christian means something”

to some people being a juggler means something

to some people being a gardener means something

to some people being a bicyclist means something

to some people being a stamp collector means something

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“Damn, you’re dense.”

Again, b/c to me, it actually means something. I’m sorry it doesn’t to you.

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jewcowboy

We must look smart.

I might start wearing

Pants on the ground,

Pants on the ground looking like a fool with my pants on the ground.

That should fix it.

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Peadawg,

“I’m sorry it doesn’t to you.”

Excuse me? Do tell. Please tell us all what being a Christian means to me. Please.

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josef:

Try to check in with me about 11am this evening. I have something I wrote that I think you will appreciate (Deo Vindice) but I don’t want to tie up the thread right now.

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“Excuse me? Do tell. Please tell us all what being a Christian means to me. Please.”

From the way you’ve being talking to me this morning it seems it doesn’t mean jack. But that’s just an observation. Sorry if i’m wrong.

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“Again, b/c to me, it actually means something. I’m sorry it doesn’t to you”

well, legally, your belief doesn’t mean diddly.

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“He would not dare Muslim extremists..”

I wouldn’t either. They threaten Family Guy for cryin’ out loud…who makes fun of EVERYONE. They don’t pick and choose.

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Ok, let’s get this right. You guys want to make sure gays don’t ever get married because you feel that it will interrupt your everyday life?
1. How is that?
2. Do think Gays will come in your home and marry you?
3. Why should you determine if somebody else wants to get married or not?
4. They are still humans right?
5. I’m a Baptist, I believe in God, I’m not gay, but if they want to get married, that’s their decision right or wrong?
6. Do you feel this is setting a bad example for children?
7. Are you still not supporting Disney world?
8. Will you boycott any product that’s advertised on the LOGO network, like Coke, P&G, Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda,?
9. Do you feel that GLBT is being shoved down your throat like diversity?
10. Are you still afraid of diversity?

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Matilda

I can’t guilt my German Shepherd into stop peeing on the carpet so I’m pretty sure that I can’t guilt a gay guy into being straight.

That’s really unfair. Luther is the smartest dog I have ever owned and he is only a few months old. he stopped going in the house when he was just a couple of months old.

Sorry Luther. (I never know exactly how much he gets on the computer while I’m gone)

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“On what planet do you think you could ever speak for me?”

Like I said, sorry if I made the wrong observation. Down boy!

“telling people to shove a crystal ball up their ass? ”

No. When you make the wrong prediction, you’re crystal ball is obviously a little dirty/cloudy. You need to pull it out and clean it.

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“TO LATE”

to late … or not to late … that is the question … whether ’tis nobler to arrive on time or be fashionable …

or should that be to latte or not to latte … that is the question … whether ’tis nobler to have a shot of espresso and a glass of steamed milk or to just have a cup o’ jo …

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gtfanfrom1951

Oh, great, now you’ve gone and introduced early Persian philosophy and 14-the century Italian poetry into the mix….

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peadawg

No we didn’t. Unmentionable’s Gr-at Sp-rit is Nicene Creed and I’m Jewish…the kids did attend services there (as well as at various other Houses of G-d). We tried to expose them to as many different “brands” as possible so they could make up their own minds about the subject…

Scout

This one ought to raise some eyebrows…of course I’ll be there…I like spending the night with you!

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Or will Republicans punish Deal for trying to drag the state back into an era that many thought and hoped we had left behind?

Ah yes. Those darned social conservatives trying to take us back to the Dark Ages.

Never mind that homosexual behavior is associated with (as I posted on Tucker’s blog last week):

-A twenty-five to thirty-year decrease in life expectancy
-Chronic, potentially fatal, liver disease–infectious hepatitis, which increases the risk of liver cancer (According to the CDC, gay and bisexual men account for more than 60 percent of all syphilis cases.)
-Inevitably fatal immune disease including associated cancers (According to the CDC, more than 82 percent of all known sexually-transmitted AIDS cases in 2006 were the result of male-to-male sexual contact.)
-Multiple bowel and other infectious diseases
-A much higher than usual incidence of suicide
Among other things.

Also: Key parameters of homosexual versus heterosexual:

-Average number of lifetime partners: homo: 50 hetero: 4
-Monogamous: homo: 2% hetero: 83%
-Average number of partners last 12 months: homo: 8 hetero: 1.2
-Anal intercourse: homo: 65% (men) hetero: 9.5% (women)

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Unfortunately it seems there are some very loud Christians who feel their belief is required of us all.

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Dave R – I replied waaaayyyy early this morning to your observation about John Wayne …

Lt. Chesty Puller was 43 when Pearl Harbor was attacked – that didn’t stop him from being on the front lines in Guadalcanal …

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“What does James Cameron know about a deep water oil leak?”

Obama isn’t looking to repair the leak, in his words he’s calling in all these experts so he knows “whose a$$ to kick”.

There are no good candidates in the Governor’s race right now, whoever gets the GOP nom is going to be politics as usual, same with Barnes getting the nom on the left. Career politicians, just what the state continues to need…

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“Unfortunately it seems there are some very loud Christians who feel their belief is required of us all.”

Agreed. There are some out there. But there are some good Christians as well that want to help/encourage you to have faith in God. If you don’t ant to here it, that’s fine. Just know they’re out there.

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Peadawg,

“You, USinUK and others are the ones attacking me for what I believe.”

Oh my freaking God, thicken your skin, son.

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Peadawg – “You, USinUK and others are the ones attacking me for what I believe”

attack??? mymymy … where did I ATTACK you for your belief? and, please, do be specific.

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“I get bashed on here every single day”

Poor Peadawg. He gets bashed every day….and he still perseveres on in his beliefs.

Passing you a gold star Peadawg. You so deserve it!

Out for a lunch date y’all — later!

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peadawg.. you cannot take things on here personally.. for a lot of these people.. hiding behind a keyboard and posting a thought on a bookman blog… well.. its the only way some of them can have a “voice”

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KJ

Obama isn’t looking to repair the leak, in his words he’s calling in all these experts so he knows “whose a$$ to kick”.

This has been really weird. Obama was a cold fish when he was at the shore. So everyone said that he needs to show some emotion. So he lashes out at BP and starts criminal investigations and starts talking about kicking butts.

Wrong emotions. People losing their livelihoods. Ducky Tar Babies. Dead fish where there were sunbathers. BP is a corporate disaster that has had over 750 fines while other oil companies have had one or two. There will be plenty of time to punish BP. Right now, use every available means to control the oil.

We need a leader that at least pretends to care about people and ducks and pelicans. Kicking butts is for the courts.

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Yes, USinUK, and I responded below to your lack of reading comprehension, as well.

Plus, Puller was ALREADY a Marine since 1919, and had chosen his life’s work long before WWII.

When you talk enlisting or being drafted at age 34 vs.already choosing a life in the service, you are talking apples and oranges. Add in the Duke’s back and shoulder injuries, and you have even more reason to question whether to enter the service.

But for you it is easier to just look at one factor instead of the totality of an issue like this, while I looked at multiple factors. John Wayne doesn’t get a pass, but he does get some understanding why he AND the War Department agreed on his deferment.

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“Sounds like liberals. “How?

Are liberals saying you must enter into a gay marriage? Are they dictating who you are allowed to fall in love with?

“But there are some good Christians as well that want to help/encourage you to have faith in God.”

I know , I know. You’re just so nice, trying to “encourage” everyone to hear the good story (as if it’s impossible down in the Bible Belt). Then when someone believes differently, you can say how they “rejected Christ” or when they say to not bother them with your religion anymore, you can chalk it up to “persecution” and then know what it felt like to be in the Lion’s Den.

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Dave – fercryingoutloud – lighten up, son … lighten up …

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AmVet

You know when all you post is teeth gritting hate filled rant after rant after rant, you may notice that no one is responding.

Imagine that.

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Silly Republican homophobes.

Time to go off-topic with an email i just received…

Dear VoteVets.org Supporter,

We knew it was coming and now we have a chance to stop it dead in its tracks. Soon, the Senate will vote on Senator Lisa Murkowski’s Dirty Air Act — a measure that will prevent the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

Call your senators and tell them to vote “NO” on Senator Murkowski’s Big Oil Bailout known as the Dirty Air Act.

Why does this matter to us? Well, written by polluter lobbyists, this Dirty Air Act is nothing more than a “Big Oil Bailout” for Senator Murkowski’s energy industry allies.

It’s their way of escaping the rules and regulations that are critical to moving us towards a Clean Energy economy – an economy less dependent on oil, much of which we buy from regimes that support our enemies, and terrorism.

Make no mistake – Iraq and Afghanistan veterans want a Clean Energy economy. In a poll conducted of mostly Republican veterans, nearly 80 percent of them said our addition to oil threatened our security, and about three-quarters of them wanted to pass the Clean Energy bill, right now.

Your help is urgently needed to stop it. The vote will be close. Our efforts will be pivotal. Your voice needs to be heard.

Carry on anti-environmentalists…

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I do so love how a politician’s previous statements/commitments come back to bite ‘em in the ass. Could it be they’re inclined to talk too much? Promise too much?

Aye yup!

With so many gimmicks being used in campaigns these days, is there time left to address the real issues….the ones that actually pertain to the issues/responsibilities entrusted to them by the people as a whole (no pun intended)?

I guess that’s asking too much.

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And liberal Evangelical Christians have double the bumper stickers…

John K
They are practicing their faith. When you say “not to bother you anymore, you feel persecuted.” You don’t have to be rude with it. Good manners will take you a long way toward mutual respect.

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Why should gender orientation be a determining factor in whether someone is permitted to get a marriage license, or adopt, or anything else? Gender orientation happens, just as handedness or hair color or quantity. Likewise, with all of the above, they can be masked, but their true nature will always strive for dominance.

I am a hetero, I know people who are not, and the only difference is that we heteros are given special treatment – WE are allowed to adopt, to marry, to openly show our gender orientation in public. Why are WE given preferential treatment based on OUR gender orientation?

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“Citation?”

It’s been a while since I’ve seen one of those…ugliest damn things on wheels…the bumper stickers hold them together.

http://pic.phyrefile.com/p/ph/phoenixsac/2009/12/15/Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg

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“Fiscal Conservatism” I will support. The family values crowd of conservative wannabes need not apply for my vote. Why can’t the republicans stay out our bedrooms and the democrats stay out of our pockets????
Libertarianism is the only way out, and the only REAL values, upon which, America was founded.

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jewcowboy

Remember these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1975_AMC_Pacer_base_model_frontrightside.jpg

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We’re probably still 30-40 years from true enlightenment, where domestic partners will be a thing of the past because any 2 people can get married, and don’t ask, don’t tell is seen for the stupidity it is. Good day all.

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Is mine a “marriage?” Well, h3ll, if after 35 years,to paraphrase Golda, 35 years I’ve lived with him, fought with him, starved with him…35 years my bed is his… If that ain’t marriage, what is?

Marriage I’ve got…it’s a license I need…

Sorry sir! FAIL! You’ve got NOTHING on Newt or Rush! Yet somehow they have that “license”…i mean how many times do you get to get your drivers license renewed after breaking the “laws” that upheld it…until you can’t obtain another? Sad you can’t get ONE…while I can make a pages long list of those who vote to “refuse” you that right who have MANY. Truly sad.

Josef… I DO believe that one day you’ll be able to obtain that. I DO feel that it is the “Civil Rights” fight of this current generation…look at the polls of our youth (and I actually mean 18-say ummm 35 year olds) to see how they feel about gays being allowed to marry. Even on the right…their kids are NOT fighting that “same” fight as their parents. They care more about being able to get a steady job. They have gay and bi friends whom they care about. Even Obama’s parent’s marriage would not have been allowed in many states back when they got married. Soon enough it will change. Though you and I disagree on many things… that’s ONE fight I support and back you up on 100%. Always have and always will.

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“You seem intent on picking a fight”

Seriously? Hypersensitivity much?

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Ok, Jay, since my 12.17 is in moderation, I’m honestly mystified.

It’s ok for Peadawg to refer to a crystal ball placed somewhere up Bosch’s backside;

it’s ok for Bosch to complain about it;

but it’s not ok for me to try considering WWJD?

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Bugatti: We need a leader that at least pretends to care about people and ducks and pelicans. Kicking butts is for the courts.

How ’bout a leader who posts a “Mission Accomplished” banner as a backdrop for his photo op, when the “mission” in question is still not over 5 years later? Or how about one who, CHOKES his damn fool self on a pretzel then passes out? Or how about one that says things like “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” or his all time best..”You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.” —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 — What a guy!!!

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Involuntary sterilization. That’s all I want for those who would deny adoption opportunities to gay American citizens.

Is that asking so much?

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“…but it’s not ok for me to try considering WWJD?”

And STILL nobody has ever convinced me that Jeezbus himself was not gay. I mean…what “proof” do they have that he was not?

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debbie.. please dont make be break out “obama off teleprompter” the man cannot have a conversation with high school kids unless its scripted in front of him..

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“the man cannot have a conversation with high school kids unless its scripted in front of him..”

KEEP those lies coming.

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what difference do gay rights or abortion make in the gov race. this is a fed law issue

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John K

Who used the phrase “not be bothered?” Bothered is the operative word for qualification as rude, in my opinion. Perhaps my sloppy use of the second person pronoun needs be corrected “One doesn’t have to be rude…”

For the record, I am not a practicing Christian and my own faith does not practice proselytism.

DDR
You missed last night’s post @ 7:56

It would stand to It would stand to reason that Obama’s security details would be more than for previous presidents and I would certainly hope so. While he himself may want to downplay his racial status as the first president of color. there are plenty of lunatics out there who don’t…and I’m not opposed even to “flashy” and “ecessive.”

reason that Obama’s security details would be more than for previous presidents and I would certainly hope so. While he himself may want to downplay his racial status as the first president of color. there are plenty of lunatics out there who don’t…and I’m not opposed even to “flashy” and “ecessive.”

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Ooooo… Another one of Andy’s favorite subjects.

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DDR

And since you’re here right now…I lke that kick a33 comment, myself…we’ll have to wait and see how fierce it is, but it sure expressed what I’d like to hear on that mess down there and, just so you’ll know, my jury’s out on how he’s handled the crisis…I’ll let the folks on the Coast be the ones to do that…

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“doggone.. should we talk about all of obamas lies??”

Only if you’re prepared to discuss the lies of all other Presidents, and all other politicians as well.

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I’m sorry, Union, so you’re talking about this, I guess…

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/06/obama_kalamazoo_central_high_s.html

So I gather your objection here is, he gave a commencement address using a script?

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bugatti: AmVet – You know when all you post is teeth gritting hate filled rant after rant after rant, you may notice that no one is responding. Imagine that.

You just did…….

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Speaking of Obama’s speeches, and the wingnuts who whine about them:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005240010

Now, maybe Fox didn’t intentionally remove the audience applause. Maybe Fox’s video used a direct feed from Obama’s microphone, and it simply didn’t pick up audience noise. But if Fox didn’t intentionally try to make Obama look silly, why did it choose a 2-minute clip — out of a 32-minute speech — that portrayed Obama looking silently around the room, seemingly for no reason?

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Bosch and PeaDawg got into a tussle! Dang! How come I’m always out gardening or something when all the good juicy stuff is going on. Y’all do it again so’s I can watch this time.

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I guess in neo-conservative world, gays are the new commies. Destroying our way of life!!!!!!!

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Do we have a “straight day” when we all call into work just b/c we’re straight?

Never taken the day off for your wedding aniversary? Really?

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obama looks like a moron without any additional help..

We are aware of your displeasure with the results of the Nov. 2008 election.

Are you going to address the question I actually posed–to wit, why President delivering a 3,000 word commencement address using a script would be something that troubles you?

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Saul Good: My source: Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Jeffrey Satinover and the CDC.

Some of Satinover’s testimony before the Massachusetts Senate Judicial Committee on various issues surrounding the subject homosexuality is here: http://www.narth.com/docs/senatecommittee.html

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[...] Galloway and Jay Bookman both have stories up about the “issue” [...]

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Obama and the teleprompter…of, for the love of G-d! How many of us who have to address the public as part of our duties don’t use something along that line? This is as silly as chiding Sister Sarah for her palm notes…

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My puppet is smarter than your puppet.
No,my puppet is smarter than your puppet.
Is not!
Is too!

Give it a rest guys. Whew!

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Saul Good

“(besides that infamous 7 minutes in heaven where the “leader of the free world” could not think of ONE thing to say to dismiss himself from a class of little kiddies)…”

You may want to be careful with that. It’s a favorite theme of the “Bush knew about and had a hand in 9-11″ crowd.

As far as the other, when people begin on Bush it’s an open invite to cite and repeat and give videos links of all the goof-ups our current Pres makes off the teleprompter. It’s so predictable – has happened so many times here it’s quite old.

And belittling one’s personality or characteristics doesn’t really have anything to do with the person’s policies or other abilities. Bush or Obama.

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TGT..thanks.for letting me know where your “facts” came from…

“Jeffrey Burke Satinover (September 4, 1947) is an American psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and physicist. He is well-known for books on a number of “controversial topics” in physics and neuroscience, and on “religion”, but especially for his writing and public-policy efforts relating to homosexuality, same-sex marriage and the ex-gay movement. Copies of his best-selling 1996 Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth were distributed to all bishops attending the 1998 Lambeth Anglican Communion Conference and his work is widely-used and cited, and equally-widely criticized, as one of the main modern sources supporting the view that homosexuality is a changeable, non-innate condition, though not a matter of choice.”

From what I read…HE has done NO STUDIES himself…has PUBLISHED NOTHING…and just because he wrote some books blasting homosexuality…does not equate to him referencing ANY studies himself. Seems to me you just used a “hero of the ignorant” and posted the very same quotes many talibangelicals do….yet it’s clear..there are NO STUDIES that back up his claims…so go ahead and please show me the SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND STUDIES DONE to back up this hacks claims…

btw…i like this little didy about him as well: “Satinover was asked to assist key United States Senators and their staffs in the ultimately successful battle to win confirmation for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas”

Again: Not ONE “Published Study has been done by the person who said the “quote” you posted… so now go find some SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that can back up the claims you made and posted… not just a “hero” of the gay bashers… everything you posted was nothing based on “studies”….just based upon one’s “views”… just as I thought. Go figure!

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What a bunch of hateful people you all are.

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“Can someone explain why Elton John was a guest and singing at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding this past weekend?”

Word is, they paid him a million dollars to sing. End of issue.

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Jay,
You mean “The Bible Code” isn’t real? But, but, but it told me I was going to win the lottery tonight…Dang!

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Jay: “Satinover is a nut.”

Dr. Satinover is a graduate of M.I.T., Harvard, Yale, and the University of Texas Medical School. He has practiced psychiatry since 1986 along with being a psychoanalyst and a physicist. He has conducted research at the University of Nice in France and taught part time at Princeton. He is Distinguished Visiting Professor of Science and Mathematics at The King’s College, New York City and a Visiting Scientist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zürich. He also teaches at the C. G. Jung Institute in Zürich. He was the youngest person ever to have delivered the William James Lectures at Harvard.

Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth is one of the most widely read books on homosexuality. It is full of research and references. True, his work on a “Bible Code” does seem a little far out there, but it certainly doesn’t discredit his work on homosexuality.

You’re a pretty good writer, but that doesn’t make you an expert on homosexuality (nor does it discredit you). You should know better than to result to ad hominem attacks.

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If Rush can pay Elton John a million bucks to play at the ceremony celebrating the sanctity of [his fourth] marriage, then what, exactly IS the GOP’s position on gays?!!!!

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Doggone, I’m sure their logic is something along the lines of how they’re “defending so-called traditional marriage and of course, the children” from the evilness of the pro-gay liberal agenda or some nonsense like that.

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AmVet re: gay population, and those numbers are only for the “out” gays.

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Jay is attacking hominy?

Why do you hate grits, Jay?

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AmVet,

“Though some have their heads in the sand, this is simply too large a segment of society to ignore… ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFkIqaIYdoI

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It’s about editing clips to portray someone in a poor light. No one outlet has a lock on that practice.

True, and I try my best to ascertain when I’m being manipulated.

Which is another way of saying Mrs. sfd has to put up with me yelling at the TeeVee more often than she should.

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I see this thread is as contradictory as the last – there it was killing of life at various stages (pre-birth, war, death penalty) and here it is rights for all (except those that didn’t make it out of the womb).

Quite interesting.

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“the children” from the evilness of the pro-gay liberal agenda”

No, just that homosexual lifestyle.

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Jay, it’s the GOP textbook. 1. Identify false enemy that you know your electorate will lap up in a heartbeat. 2. Make up pretend threat 3. Declare you’re the only person who can protect everyone from the enemy; unlike that other person.

Since Georgia is stuck in 1954, the gay threat works perfectly.

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yeah, those harvard grads are real cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQezXbiroiE

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Edumacation, schmeducmacation!

All that’s needed is a little of this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptAoJedxFzU

(BTW, jcb that Glenn Close is one scary chick!)

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Deal certainly has my vote now that Handel has come out of the closet… Homosexuals deserve no special right for their deviant behavior….

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Going back to Jay’s post, I found it odd that Handel should have been (as reported) in favor of domestic partnership, but against a DP registry for privacy reasons. Marriages are public record. Did she think gays would be targets if they were registered? Did she really think she was protecting gays with that stand? I think more likely she was telling gays what they wanted to hear – support for DPs – to get elected to the position of the moment. Now, different election, different voters, different lies.

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AmVet

Well, both of us becoming old softies at the same time just won’t do, will it?

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Peadawg,

“No, just that homosexual lifestyle.”

Too bad for you that gay people raise smart and social kids…

http://www.torontosun.com/life/2010/06/08/14307581.html

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Joe,

“Homosexuals deserve no special right for their deviant behavior….”

Table turned…it’s actually straight people that get “special” rights for their deviant behavior.

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All the gay men should just go back to Frisco or New Jersey.

All the gay women should just go back to the isle of Lesbo.

That gay chick that plays on ” House” can stay. And maybe Ellen Degenourous’ wife too.

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Helen, if everyone around me was also gay, maybe my partner would not worry about someone beating us up if I forget myself in public and put my arm around her. That is justs one of those special rights someone here is worried about.

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Paul @ 1:45pm… that actually made laugh! I have many other way more harsh words for her… but you did so way more eloquently. BTW…ever see the pictures of her with her “gay” friends dinning in 2007? When discovered dining with them…she ran out the door… no sh!t!

here’s the photo:

http://gawker.com/316187/

let’s not also forget about all those who remember her dancing on bars in NYC while wasted… many photos of them as well.

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Paul @ 1:45pm… that actually made laugh! I have many other way more harsh words for her… but you did so way more eloquently. BTW…ever see the pictures of her with her “gay” friends dinning in 2007? When discovered dining with them…she ran out the door… no ^$&*

here’s the photo:

http://gawker.com/316187/

let’s not also forget about all those who remember her dancing on bars in NYC while wasted… many photos of them as well out there… she and her Adam’s Apple that is…

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Saul Good,

Ann Coulter used to date Bill Maher. She is an act – plain and simple and she collects the wingnuts money and laughs all the way to the bank. She knows that hate sells — and sells big.

Normal,

Second shelf – behind the soccer ball.

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DWTWO

Thanks, but really it’s just the way we were raised…

jewcowboy

Ain’t it nice being the center of attention? I feel so special…don’t you?

Okay, more serious stuff for a minute. Gay lifestyle? Folks, life around this house is so mundane and boring I have to come here and Unmentionable watches re-runs of Star Trek and the Beverley Hillbillies. We’re the “typical” gay folks and there are millions like us going about our daily lives just like anybody else, fighting over the bills, arguing over that nasty mess in the basement, when are you going to get off your lazy a33 and mow the yard, what’s for supper, did you feed the cat, what’s on the news, guess who I ran into today, leave me alone I had a hard day at work and not tonight dear I’ve got a headache…

The kids and how they turn out…all three of ours are a success, happy, two married and with families of their own, one still waiting for a woman who’ll appreciate what she’s getting, and really far more “conservative” and “traditional” than us.

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josef,

But you do it all while wearing pink boas, right?

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Bosch,

“But you do it all while wearing pink boas, right?”

And Prada leather chaps…why of course.

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jewcowboy

Oh, no! Not that! Okay, all you folks that were in here the other night when I said if I was forced to leave the country and emigrate to north of the border that I’d choose Jersey…I’d like to revise that statement, I misspoke…

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Jay… off topic… but err….whateva:

http://m.yahoo.com/w/ygo-frontpage/lp/story/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watchblog.com%2Fdemocrats%2Findex.rdf/15779416165140488299/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watchblog.com%2Fdemocrats%2Farchives%2F007082.html/detail.bp%3B_ylt=A0LEV3cqig5M9jwAVwE549w4?ct=Democrats+%26+Liberals&.tsrc=yahoo&.intl=us&.lang=en

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Gale,

“Most of us are indistinguishable from straights.”

Well…in some ways

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37557883/ns/health-behavior/

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Gale,

The last line in that article:
“Other researchers have found further evidence of this male effect while studying personal ads and dating sites like Match.com, Rothblum explains. “Men will say they are looking for a partner who is not above 35 years old and not above 135 pounds,” she said. “Women don’t typically do that. They say they are looking for someone with good sense of humor, intelligence, and creativity, or someone who is not an alcoholic.”

Men are b@stards no matter what their sexuality…

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Sorry just getting back to ya’ll had a meeting to go to… any whoooo

Union: debbie.. please dont make be break out “obama off teleprompter” the man cannot have a conversation with high school kids unless its scripted in front of him

Aheemmmm (Deb Clears Throat) – Perhaps Union, you have forgotten about the January Republican Summit that Obama went to where he proceeded to kick some repuglican butt — sans prompter. Here’s a refresher for your memory below. PS: He didn’t need no stinking teleprompter….

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32225.html

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“But…. but…. that’s so….. normal!”

Yeah, whenever I get a chance I reply to those “gay lifestyle” posts with: “WHICH “gay lifestyle”?

Have yet to get an answer.

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Paul,
you guessed it, Josef is really me, er..I’m really Josef…wait, I’m really confused.

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jewcowboy, I wouldn’t start hitting on all thin men based on that assessment if I were you. On the other hand, I am inclined to agree with their findings.

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No, no jewcowboy. Men are not b@stards, they just have different priorities.

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Bosch @ 2.34,

I must have missed that discussion…hilarious…”Like Truman Capote Southern”…Classic.

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Social issues will be the downfall of the GOP as we know it. Karen, Deal, and Ox are betting on the prejudices amongst Georgia voters. Sad,

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josef, I would be in big trouble if I had to date again. I’m attracted to women like me and I sure don’t look gay.

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Jethro wore shorts?

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Saul Good,

“what would YOU do to not offend the gift of shorts that you feel may make you look like hmmm….errrr… Jethro from the Beverly Hillbilly’s! ”

That is what dogs are for…to chew up things and blame.

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Jewcowboy…I have too many rescued dogs to blame just one! I’ll have to think about which dogs are republicans, which are libertarians, and which belong to the tea party… ACK! post Bush,,,they’re all the same!

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Saul Good 2:47

My secret is out…

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BOSCH

Unmentionable and I are sill rolling! That’s just, well, TOO Southern!

GALE
If you haven’t seen it, DO! Sometimes, though, ain’t no question about it!

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Gale said: Jethro wore shorts?

maybe not… it’s just what I thought when she made me try them on! I told her they were “Jethro” shorts… she being a few years younger…she was like WTF are you talking about? WHO’S Jethro?

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Oh my goodness. You watch shows with people yelling and yell back?

I don’t watch shows with people yelling if I can help it. I got my ya-yas out with that kind of silliness back when I still watched John McLaughlin, over a decade ago.

Doesn’t stop me from yelling though. I am an equal opportunity abuser. I once got angry at Jim Lehrer (Jim Lehrer!) and made all kinds of anatomically impossible requests of the venerable gentleman. You can imagine what I might say to the likes of a Chris Matthews…

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TGT,

How many searches are in your browser’s history for anal sex?

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Theeyes! GREAT!

jewcowboy said:
“TGT,

“The main cause for the increase: anal sex. ”

Then don’t have it.”

______________________________________

Saul Good here has the answer you seek!

How else can he keep himself from getting pregnant?

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BOSCH

Only after midnight and in Salt Lake City…hmmm the GWIDLN Syndrome strikes the gay community. Funny on that one, the follow up line in “Boys in the Band” is when the guy who made the statement adds that it strikes all groups “though I have seen a higher instance among Mormons.” Must be something in that salty mountain air!

eyes and jewcowboy–
And here I was thinking it was just middle-aged spread…oh, no! I turning breeder…!!!!

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jewcowboy

TGT and his ideas on our sexual activities…makes you kinda wonder what IS going on in their minds, don’t it??

I assume, though, he’s a Chassid and only does it for procreation in the missionary position through slitted sheets…

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sfd

“You can imagine what I might say to the likes of a Chris Matthews…”

You’d never get a word in edgewise -

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buggatti: How about somebody who says this

“I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community.” –

Briefly – Everything you posted, but the last phrase about Rev. Wright, was stripped of it’s original words and lambasted into the “we will believe anything Faux News Tells Us” hall of fame. My only advice is for you to read the book for yourself, don’t take someone else’s words for it. This is good advice.

The other bit about Wright, I concur with the Prez’s assertation. My grandfather is a condensed version of Rev. Wright, I’m not about to uphold what he does or says, but I am also not about to lambast him for it either. Now, seeing as I don’t know you, BUT seeing that you are probably an American (3rd generation and beyond), I’m guessing there might’ve been a racist, homophobe, anti-semite, etc. or two in your own family and or friendships…..did you stop seeing them or did you laugh right along with some of their jokes? Truth only please.

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Hey firsties on page 5!

the eyes,

Glad I could help.

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When did REPUBLICAN and FAMILY VALUES become synonymous?? Whoever believes that one should not be allowed to vote in any election EVER!!!

The fundamentalist/religious right in Georgia have always been more about expousing Christianity when it is convenient but not living like a Christian.

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just as we were beginning to have fun…sheesh a new thread with possibilities—and beleive me, on this one the eyes have it!
Upstairs

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TGT,

“Let’s not make this personal. Believe it or not, I am trying to keep this on the clinical level.”

Seriously…you do understand that gay people do other things besides have butt sex right?

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A little late here but I’ll add my two cents. Its sad that Karen Handel wouldn’t stand up to Deal and stand up for gay rights. Deal gives conservatives a bad name. Not all “conservatives” are anti-gay bigots. I wish KH had stood up to him, even though it may have cost her the election…at least she would still have her integrity. But sadly, integrity rarely gets one elected to any major political office these days.

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Oh Al, please tell me that you are not suggesting that there is a “gay gene.”

Satinover: “The notion that ‘homosexuals’ are in effect a ‘different species’ (different genes) is ludicrous beyond belief. There is not the slightest evidence for that as anyone who actually reads the studies (not reports on the studies) knows.”

Dr. Mark Breedlove at the University of California at Berkeley, referring to his own research: “[My] findings give us proof for what we theoretically know to be the case – that sexual experience can alter the structure of the brain, just as genes can alter it. [I]t is possible that differences in sexual behavior cause (rather than are caused) by differences in the brain.”

Prominent research teams Byne & Parsons, and Friedman & Downey, both concluded that there was no evidence to support a biologic theory, but rather that homosexuality could be best explained by an alternative model where “temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieu as the individual’s sexuality emerges.”

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And surprisingly enough, the Republicans don’t understand my why gays and othe minorities, gosh darn it, just don’t like them.

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@ lovelyliz We don’t care if you don’t like us! Again, it’s a numbers and media game the liberal love to continue to play to their advantage. The GLAD crowd, illegal immigrants, etc, etc, etc are just using you liberals at large to get what they want – an angry nasty looking crowd of collective “progressives”. This phase should be over in November!

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Not to say that they wouldn’t have, though.
Another dumb math analogy:
Democrats=Republicans+Dennis Kucinich.

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Al: I do not think that homosexuality is a “simple choice.” Although, certainly, homosexual behavior involves choice. The fact is that there are many supporters of the homosexual agenda who believe, and push (or have pushed) the idea of a “gay gene.”

I agree with James Dobson when he says that, “Homosexuals deeply resent being told that they selected this same-sex inclination in pursuit of sexual excitement or some other motive. It is unfair, and I don’t blame them for being irritated by that assumption. Who among us would knowingly choose a path that would result in alienation from family, rejection by friends, disdain from the heterosexual world, …No, homosexuality is not ‘chosen’ except in rare circumstances.”

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Saul: That pretty much sums up you’re ignorance. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean they’re a bigot. Maybe you’re a bigot. “It’s always those who shout the loudest…”

As far as government involvement in this issue, both sides are working towards that end. However, it is the homosexual movement that initiated this government battle. In a representative democracy, such as the U.S. relies upon, the ultimate power resides with the people. Whenever the issue of gay marriage (etc.) has been put to the people it has been SOUNDLY rejected (as it should). The homosexual movement is trying to circumvent the will of the people and gain their victories through the courts (just as the abortion movement did).

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TGT…really? How about the states that LEGALIZED gay marriage? Did those states find straight people all of a sudden turning gay? Did they “recruit” straight children and turn them gay? Sad that you don’t want to give them the rights they as humans deserve. I mean HOW does it effect YOU if two gay people get married? YOU and your family? What would change in YOUR lives if two gay people were given the right to be married?

Does our Constitution NOT say: ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL?

And yeah…you’re a bigot if you’re against homosexuals just being who they are. They have no “agenda” in turning others gay… but this I can say: People who belong to the major “cults” in our nation DO have an agenda to turn others into fellow cult members. Homosexuals have been around since mankind existed. They always have, and always will be around. It’s only those who FEAR others not like them…or their own repressed urges that perhaps lean in that direction… who seek to put them into a box, close it, and send it out to sea. You work with gays, you live among them, and they teach your kids as well. They always have and always will. Rights or no rights… it’s the “fearful” and “hateful” who do all they can do suppress their rights as humans. Just like white christians did to slaves in our nation. Just like they refused to let them legally marry, attend school, attend their white’s only churches, and when a white person would finally break ranks and want to marry an African American…up until the 1960’s there were still states who denied them that right. Homosexuals WILL get that right to marry. I’m sure you’ll disagree with it…but it will in NO WAY effect YOUR world…unless YOU are GAY and seek to marry your partner.

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The 36 states with statutes on the books would, of course, include the 30 with const. amendments.

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“based upon bibical principles”

Just like our nation’s laws are based upon the 10 commandments right?

Only TWO are laws. Don’t kill and don’t steal… the rest are saved for your pastors to do when not preaching. Which “biblical” commandment say’s don’t be gay?

If you want to talk “morals” and the bible…I promise you I’ll gladly sink your ship…

I’ll be glad to post the “exact quotes” from YOUR version of your human written fable that shows how they endorse the following:
-Slavery
-Child Rape and rape of virgins
-Murder
-Stoning
-Selling off of children
-Discrimination

Here are but just a few:

Judges 19:22-29 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this disgraceful thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don’t do such a disgraceful thing.”

But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.

When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones

Matthew 5:32b …and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Leviticus 26:18-26 ” ‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit.

” ‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

Exodus 21:7-11 And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.

Yeah…tell me about your “morals” that are taught from your human written hate guide.

Enjoy your night. Go read your fictional human scribed bible and all the “good family values” you’ll find in it.

Oh…and before I part for the evening and enjoy dinner with my wife…I’ll leave you some NEW TESTAMENT stuff as well (in case you planned on using that as an “out”)… so nice your fable gets to change when other humans deem things to be dated. Perhaps it can use a new update. I hear Texas is re-writing history…maybe they can do the NEXT version of your human created fable as well.

Women are to keep silent in church!

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

Wives to submit to husbands in everything

Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Acts 12:21-23 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

God kills a couple for lying to Peter

Acts 5:1-11 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.”

When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”
“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

Goodnight!

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Saul: I think you’re the one who needs to spend a little more time in the Bible. However, do not just be a reader of the Word, but a doer as well.

For your listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WRcrHSJuUs

Goodnight.

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First, Nathan Deal bashes children of undocumented parents and threatens to take their US citizenship away. Now, Nathan Deal is bashing gays for him to get an edge in the GOP field against Karen Handel. What a piece of work (polite word chosen for the blog).

Also, Karen is shamefully throwing the Log Cabin Republicans, who supported her in the past and probably currently, under the bus without blinking. I was around then and read in SoVo that she DID in fact support these things. She never wrote to correct that, so she was comfortable with the way it was written. Shame on Karen Handel.

I would not choose either of these bozos for Governor.

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If non-gay people are voting for a candidate based on that candidate’s opposition to gay rights, they’re wasting a perfectly good vote.

Nice to see that we AGREE upon something! There are some people who only vote based on TWO “family values” issues…this is one..and you know what the “other” is… I mean the whole world can be crumbling around them…but they only go to the polls because of those one or two things…and usually don’t know anything else that the candidate their voting for stands for or supports. The candidate can be wanting to abolish our constitution and make us part of Great Britain again with only the Colonies… give the rest of our nation to Mexico…but if they’re up for banning gay’s from getting married…that’s the only thing (with the “other” thing) they care about. Sad.

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