Memorial Day: A time to honor and remember

On the morning of Dec. 7, 1941, 32-year-old John Finn lay in bed with his wife, Alice, not far from the Kaneohe Bay Naval Air Station near Pearl Harbor, where he served as chief ordnance man. He saw a plane flash by his bedroom window, then another one. And then he heard machine guns, and knew something was very wrong. He jumped out of bed and hurried to dress.

“Those goddamn Japs. I should have hated ‘em. The bastards screwed up my nooky on a Sunday morning,” Finn told an interviewer years later.

Finn rushed to the air station, arriving as a squadron of Japanese Zeros were strafing the flight line. With no antiaircraft guns deployed at the base, sailors were forced to try to defend themselves and the station with machine guns on the runway.

“As he stood out on the runway firing his .30 caliber, Finn was peppered by pieces of shrapnel as the diving planes strafed the concrete runways with 20 m cannon.

“I actually counted. I got shot in the left arm and shot in the left foot, broke the bone. I had shrapnel blows in my chest and belly and right elbow and right thumb. Some were just scratches. My scalp got cut, and everybody thought I was dying: ‘Oh Christ, the old chief had the top of his head knocked off.’ I didn’t even know. As far as I know, I never got hit by a single complete bullet but I had four or five things that were serious. I had twenty-eight, twenty-nine holes in me that were bleeding. I was walking around on one heel. I was barefooted on that coral dust. My left arm didn’t work. It was just a big ball hanging down.’

He also narrowly avoided a bomb blast.

‘There were several times I left that gun, when I couldn’t see a plane anywhere, I’d run back in my armory, kick somebody in the ass, fix the .caliber when it got jammed, and get back to the .30. I saw these planes coming, five bombers way up there, and I had a hundred-round belt go because I was absolutely walking the gun along with the plane. I was letting the gun cover, right ahead, leading the planes, and I was actually leading ‘em.’”

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Medal of Honor recipient John Finn salutes at a ceremony at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 2006. (AP Photo/Lucy Pemoni)

For his bravery that day, Finn received the Medal of Honor. The account above is taken from “Beyond Glory: Medal of Honor Heroes in Their Own Words.”

Unlike many of the heroes of that day, and that war, Finn lived to tell his story, enjoying a long, full life. He died Thursday in San Diego at the age of 100.

195 comments Add your comment

Del

May 31st, 2010
7:35 am

R.I.P. Chief Finn

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
8:19 am

Good morning to all.

As we honor and remember, I thought it interesting that, according to the story link, John Finn was the oldest living recipient of the Medal of Honor.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
8:22 am

Yesterday I mentioned a feature-length piece from the Gwinnett Daily Post about tribute paid to two veterans whose remains were properly interred at the Georgia National Cemetery in Cherokee County, after having been forgotten and neglected for years.

I see that the AJC had covered this in a news story earlier this week as well: link is here–

http://www.ajc.com/news/cherokee/claimed-at-last-dead-536883.html

tm

May 31st, 2010
8:33 am

Day is done, gone the sun
From the lakes, from the hills, from the skies
All is well, safely rest;
God is nigh.

Then goodnight, peaceful night;
Till the light of the dawn shineth bright.
God is near, do not fear,
Friend, goodnight.

Ponder

May 31st, 2010
8:34 am

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. – John F. Kennedy

TnGelding

May 31st, 2010
8:50 am

How many more have to be maimed or killed in senseless wars? That’s what we need to remember. Those that were sacrificed need to be honored as well, but spare me the histrionics. Liberty? Very poetic, but just words to justify meddlesome interventions.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
8:55 am

OT #1:

The lovely and talented “Culture of Truth” watches the Sunday Morning bobblehead shows so you don’t have to.

Transcript here.

(I read it so I can laugh to keep from crying.)

jt

May 31st, 2010
8:56 am

Brave words Gelding. I salute you. Yep, the NYT, WAPO, and others sure do “prettify” war on this solemn day.

It ain’t.

From John Walsh, a great American————–

“Many say that the media hides the wars now waged by the U.S. in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. But it is worse than that. While hiding the death and destruction and certainly blotting out any graphic images of it, our poor excuse for journalism is awash with feel-good stories about the wars. The war in Korea was televised to a limited extent and contributed to American revulsion at Truman’s war and his welcome replacement by the pacific Republican Eisenhower not yet brought under the influence of the rabid Dulles brothers. The same happened with Viet Nam leading to the abrupt departure of another Democrat, Johnson.

But our rulers learned their lesson well. No more graphic images come to us from the battlefield. They are censored by being cut off at their source. Worse, the war is systematically prettified by the media. Such is the function of the servile journalism of the Empire.”

@@

May 31st, 2010
9:01 am

jay, the caption under the photo reads, John Fill. Is your John Finn, the guy in the photo?

Just curious?

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
9:06 am

@@, good catch. I’m assuming the gentleman depicted in the Beyond Glory page link (John Finn) is indeed the same person in the AP photo on Jay’s post.

Jay

May 31st, 2010
9:08 am

Thanks @@, Same guy, my bad. Now fixed.

Curious Observer

May 31st, 2010
9:13 am

May their souls rest in eternal peace, all those veterans who died so that some faux-religious scumbags could have the freedom to picket at funerals and mock the deaths of veterans who died. And a salute to those living who served, instead of hiding behind college deferments, faking injuries, and even deserting to foreign countries.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
9:20 am

all those veterans who died so that some faux-religious scumbags could have the freedom to picket at funerals and mock the deaths of veterans who died.

Just in case anyone was not aware–a group called the Patriot Riders organized, originally, to represent those of us who find such demonstrations reprehensible (am I safe to say it’s around 98%?) and shield the families from such signage.

As they say in their mission statement:

The Patriot Guard Riders is a diverse amalgamation of riders from across the nation. We have one thing in common besides motorcycles. We have an unwavering respect for those who risk their very lives for America’s freedom and security. If you share this respect, please join us.

We don’t care what you ride or if you ride, what your political views are, or whether you’re a hawk or a dove. It is not a requirement that you be a veteran. It doesn’t matter where you’re from or what your income is; you don’t even have to ride. The only prerequisite is Respect.

And I see from their website that they plan to be there to pay homage to Lt. John Finn on June 3 in El Cajon, CA.

david wayne osedach

May 31st, 2010
9:23 am

We will pause at noon today to commemorate those who gave their lives for our country.

@@

May 31st, 2010
9:31 am

stands:

I can understand how you missed it. You’re not so much focused on the veterans who gave their all, as you are “the religious scumbags”. Who knows, John Fill, may have, very well, been both.

Give it a rest, dude.

josef nix

May 31st, 2010
9:37 am

Freeing up my 9:33

“Those g*ddamn Japs. I should have hated ‘em. The b*stards screwed up my nooky on a Sunday morning,” Finn told an interviewer years later.

Now, there’s every American’s Uncle John. Thanks for including this quote.

jconservative

May 31st, 2010
9:46 am

Remember what Memorial Day is all about guys. Keep it clean and honorable in memory of those who have fallen.

josef nix

May 31st, 2010
9:47 am

jconservative

@ 9:46

I second that.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
9:48 am

You’re not so much focused on the veterans who gave their all, as you are “the religious scumbags”.

Jeez, @@, completely get things wrong much?

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
9:50 am

Keep it clean and honorable in memory of those who have fallen.

I couldn’t agree more. I actually winced when I read Curious Observer’s post, but then I remembered the Patriot Riders’ noble mission and I wanted to let people know that they were out there, trying to right a wrong.

@@

May 31st, 2010
9:56 am

stands:

Curious Observer took the lead at 9:13, and you followed at 9:20. That’s all I’m sayin’.

Should’a left CO’s post as a stand alone. A man oustanding in “his field” so to speak.

Scout

May 31st, 2010
10:07 am

“A society coheres only when it shares beliefs and experiences, and humans rarely value things that are acquired at no cost. With a minuscule percentage of people making a contribution to our defense, we will not be successful in protecting a country of more than three hundred million people, worldwide obligations, and threat from a variety of malefactors who want to see us destroyed.”

Colonel Jack Jacobs (retired, Medal of Honor – Vietnam)

TaxPayer

May 31st, 2010
10:07 am

Curious Observer

May 31st, 2010
9:13 am
May their souls rest in eternal peace, all those veterans who died so that some faux-religious scumbags could have the freedom to picket at funerals and mock the deaths of veterans who died. And a salute to those living who served, instead of hiding behind college deferments, faking injuries, and even deserting to foreign countries.

All I see is Curious Observer exercising the same right as anyone else can, subject to the blog owner’s limitations, naturally.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2010
10:11 am

That’s all I’m sayin’.

No. It’s not.

I am a church member. I consider myself among the religious.

You accused me of defaming people who are religious, and you did it by deliberately misquoting me. I could not allow something like that to stand.

Were I to get something of yours so thoroughly wrong and I were called out on it, I would apologize to you, as I have apologized to others in the past. I’ve even apologized to Fainting Couch mike, fercryinoutloud.

(I will leave it at that, because this thread’s not about me, and I’m sorry if I’m overindulging here.)

SOUTHERN ATL

May 31st, 2010
10:11 am

Scout

May 31st, 2010
10:16 am

RIBBONS OF AN UNFINISHED CAMPAIGN :

I was walking my boxer “Corporal” one day and decided to put on paper some of the thoughts running through my mind – mainly for those who know about these things, but also for the few who care as well as those sons and daughters who may one day find themselves rumaging through their Vietnam veteran father’s trunk or old boxes.

A “ribbon” is defined as “a woven strip or band of fine material”. Military style ribbons of course are much more than that. They also tell a story.

These few ribbons tell a simple story but one I would like to share with you.

A military uniform is just not right without at least one ribbon so anyone who signed up during the Vietnam War received the “National Defense Service” ribbon. These have been awarded since 1950 to anyone serving in our nation’s armed forces during a time of war or conflict. It bascially meant you were willing to go to Vietnam (except maybe for some of the draftees) whether you were sent there or not. We jokingly called it the “firewatch” ribbon – meaning you earned it during training by walking firewatch at night to ensure the barracks didn’t burn down with all hands ! It was the only ribbon you wore when you marched out for bootcamp graduation but it sure looked good !

Everyone who went to Vietnam was authorized the “Vietnam Service” ribbon. It meant you served “in harm’s way” whether you were a computer specialist working in an air conditioned office in Saigon or a grunt up at the DMZ. The design of the ribbon was based on the South Vietnamese flag which consisted of three verticle red stripes on a field of bright yellow. We used to joke that their flag should have been red with three “yellow” stripes – but their armed forces did struggle for a long time against immense odds. I think the green verticle bars on each end represent the verdant landscape of Vietnam. For me it represents the “jungle” ………….

“Presidential Unit Citation” ribbons are just that – a citation awarded by the President of the United States to a particular “unit” for actions in a particular battle or time frame. I my case this blue, gold and red ribbon was awarded to the 3rd Marine Division for its efforts in preventing the North Vietnamese Army from invading South Vietnam across the Demilitarized Zone. Way too many good, young Marines gave their lives doing that.

The “Combat Action” ribbon is awarded to any Marine or sailor (usually a corpsman) involved in “ground combat” against an enemy of the United States. This is basically the Marine Corps “grunt” award and we are proud of it.

But there is one more ribbon that means more to me in a nostalgic way than the others. It’s not the Purple Heart. I often wonder why, but I was blessed to come home unscathed and I thank the Lord for that often. It’s not an heroic award. I was never deserving of an award of that type.

No, it is the “Republic of Vietnam Campaign” ribbon awarded by the government of South Vietnam to all American military personnel (and many other nationalities) who served in Vietnam.

Please look at the silver colored banner with the date “1960 – “.

Notice there is no closing date …………….

At some point in the future, Vietnam veterans were to obtain an updated ribbon with a closing date – perhaps 1970 or later. But that didn’t happen and never will. Why ? The government of South Vietnam no longer exists to authorize and issue such an updated ribbon. That all ended on April 30, 1975 when Saigon fell. As a result, the original “1960 – ” ribbon will always symbolize, to me at least, an “unfinished campaign”.

And I think the ribbon is actually more meaningful this way because the war never had an appropriate closure for many of us. Nothing that traumatic – most of us adjusted quite well in life. Still, those events of so long ago just seem to rest there in the back of my mind. I experience them occasionally (as I think most other “grunts” do) on a hike as I walk toward a treeline, or under the heat of a summer noonday sun, or as I slip between those cool, clean sheets at night – remembering ……………….

I am always thankful that I did not have to pay the ultimate price.

Through the story of these ribbons, I honor those who did.

May God bless America and Semper Fi ……………….

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
10:27 am

“You’re not so much focused on the veterans who gave their all, as you are “the religious scumbags”. Who knows, John Fill, may have, very well, been both.”

It doesn’t matter if he was or not. To me, honoring our Vets also means not being blind to the times when they are sent to die for a lie. And that HAS been done, and there will always be attempts to do it again. We should ALL..soldiers or not…be vigilant to that. We honor our soldiers most when we ask them to put their lives on the line to TRULY protect our freedom.

TaxPayer

May 31st, 2010
10:35 am

We could all aspire to be more like John — Make love, not war but stand ready to make war on anyone that interrupts your love making. Make war on the war machine.

Soothsayer

May 31st, 2010
10:38 am

The BP Deepwater Oil Spill – Why Top Kill May Have Failed and Monday Open Thread

This is a detailed and somewhat technical post about what went wrong with the “top kill” and the likelihood of stopping the flow of oil by other means. It contains some detailed illustrations that will help you understand what is going on.

I know it’s off topic but this is very much on people’s minds these days.

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2010
10:46 am

Sometimes a picture says it all.

Thanks for the great tribute post today, Jay B. It’s a crying shame your leftist groupies can’t follow your lead and put the politics down for a day.

See y’all tomorrow.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
10:47 am

I heard this interview on NPR yesterday about Mr. Finn. Died at 100 – wow, that’s a long rewarding life, and glad he could live to tell his story for the rest of us.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
10:50 am

“put the politics down for a day”

There is never going to be a time when honoring FALLEN soldiers can be separated from politics. They are joined at the hip. Always have been, always will be.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
10:53 am

“that’s a long rewarding life”

It is indeed, and I found it intriguing that he is quoted as saying he SHOULD HAVE hated the Japanese. If that quote it accurate, it shows a depth of forgiveness worthy of emulation.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
10:56 am

Doggone,

“it shows a depth of forgiveness worthy of emulation.”

Yeap, it does. And I’m glad he lived to spend many more Sunday mornings with Mrs. Finn! :-)

bugatti

May 31st, 2010
11:09 am

In the movie: Letters from Iwo Jima, director Clint Eastwood depicted American Soldiers as killing captured Japanese prisoners in cold blood because they were just too much trouble to watch.

In the meanwhile, he depicted the Japanese as risking their own lives to go out and bring in American wounded and giving those wounded Americans care, refuge and food.

With the passing of John Finn, we are reminded that with each passing day, the few remaining veterans of WWII are leaving us. The truth of what they saw and did will accompany these brave men to their graves, leaving their stories to be told by people who were never there and who will almost always have a political slant to the ways that these stories are told.

These men are already being dishonored by a element of our society that has huge power to alter the truth, telling whatever they want to tell our future generations about these men and the sacrifices they made.

Please honor these men in every way you can. Don’t allow a shallow political anti-American slant be the historians.

Pray every day that the truth about what these men have done is always told, and the lies and anti-American propaganda, spewed from the pens and mouths of these criminal lying zealots are lost and only the truth remains.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
11:15 am

Would like to share excellent article:

Remembering war time sacrifice

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/81840_122554_ENG_HTM.htm

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:18 am

“These men are already being dishonored by a element of our society that has huge power to alter the truth, telling whatever they want to tell our future generations about these men and the sacrifices they made.”

And telling the truth about dishonorable soldiers in NO WAY dishonors those with the courage to BE honorable. Telling the truth is NEVER dishonorable.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
11:20 am

In ww2, people didn’t worry about the Japanese lives, civilians, reasons, feelings , just kill them until they surrender. As it should be done in all war.

Now Jay says that it’s better if we sometimes lose soldiers in order to make sure we dont harm enemy civilians. Retarded

This is why I hate people. Liberal idiocy worrying about the lives of the enemy. Their lives have no value.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
11:25 am

“This is why I hate people. Liberal idiocy worrying about the lives of the enemy. Their lives have no value.”

Oh my freaking God.

(SoCo, if you should check in – that one goes off the :shock: scale don’t cha’ think?)

TetVet68

May 31st, 2010
11:25 am

Remember Pearl Harbor — Keep America Alert!

(Now deceased) America’s oldest living Medal of Honor recipient, living his 101st year is former enlisted Chief Petty Officer, Aviation Chief Ordnanceman (ACOM), later wartime commissioned Lieutenant John W. Finn, U. S. Navy (Ret.). He is also the last surviving Medal of Honor, “The Day of Infamy”, Japanese Attack on the Hawaiian Islands, Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, Oahu, Territory of Hawaii, 7 December 1941.

Visit my photo album tribute:

http://news.webshots.com/album/141695570BONFYl

San Diego, California

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:27 am

“This is why I hate people”

If you hate people so much, why are you still living? Seems to me there’s at least ONE person you don’t hate.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
11:27 am

“Now Jay says that it’s better if we sometimes lose soldiers in order to make sure we dont harm enemy civilians. Retarded”

No, what is retarded is to just make up sh*t.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
11:35 am

“This is why I hate people. Liberal idiocy worrying about the lives of the enemy. Their lives have no value.”

Are you comfortable with that standard being applied both ways, laissez faire?

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
11:36 am

I made up nothing..it’s from Bookmans “book length project”..due to fail at amazon.com soon, no doubt.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/09/28/its-a-cold-truth-war-means-putting-our-troops-lives-at-risk/

Liberal worry more about the subhuman piece of sht Pashtoon scum in afghanistan than the lives of the soldiers there, and thats sad because a pashtoons life has no value to me.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
11:37 am

And that DOES work both ways. I assure you our enemies do not give a single damn about our lives, they would be fools to do so….

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:44 am

Here’s the leading quote from that blog: “Gen. Stanley McChrystal laid out a change of strategy in Afghanistan that at first sounds counter-intuitive. Use less firepower against the enemy, even when that decision increases the danger to American troops. In his mind and that of Gen. David Petraeus, protecting the Afghan people from danger — whether that danger comes from the Taliban or ourselves — is more important than killing Taliban”

I find it interesting that you will come here and castigate Jay for quoting the decision of TWO Generals…but have nothing to say against the Generals for making that decision. Surely you’re not stupid enough to try to claim that those Generals were following JAY’s orders…are you?

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
11:44 am

“because a pashtoons life has no value to me.”

FYI, I have provided a link for you regarding Narcissistic Personality Disorder, laissez faire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

P.S. It’s not a “liberal” trait to respect the lives of others, it’s a “human” trait.

Scout

May 31st, 2010
11:46 am

“Dulce Bellum Inexpertis”

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:48 am

Bosch…while you’re at it, find something on self-loathing as well. As someone who “hates people” he surely needs help learning to love himself first. It seems clear that his hatred of people stems from a hatred of himself, driven outwards.

Bosch

May 31st, 2010
11:49 am

Doggone,

I guess McChrystal and Petraeus are liberals. ?? — another edition of “The World in the Whacky Wingnut Mind”

~~~~~~~~~

Bruno,

“It’s not a “liberal” trait to respect the lives of others, it’s a “human” trait.”

Amen. I guess some here aren’t human so much. Are they any better than those they hate?

bugatti

May 31st, 2010
11:50 am

DoggoneGA

“Telling the truth is NEVER dishonorable.”

If you can point out ANY sort of factual account of the Japanese taking in and caring for wounded Americans on Iwo Jima, please post it. If you can’t post it, you are admitting that telling the truth was never the intention.

And telling the truth? When you are dead and gone, like all of us will be some day, is your story going to be that one thing you did that you regretted doing? That one thing that you feel the most guilt for in your life? It’s the truth, so that should be told and the rest of your life ignored, right?

It’s very easy to feign nobility and demand the truth always be told. Such a noble goal.

So Viet Nam is all about the Mi Lai Massacre.

The Gulf War is all about the “Highway To Hell”

Korea is all about the Wonsan Invasion

WWII is all about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Thanks for your input on this Memorial Day.

I choose to honor those brave men. I really couldn’t care less about what you choose to do.

Mick

May 31st, 2010
11:52 am

Jay – thanks for the story, and thanks to all the men and now women, in this country who have served and experienced the horrors of war. In the end, there are no real winners, only the loss of humanity and the failure of mankind.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
11:52 am

The counter-argument was offered last week by Ralph Peters, a former Army officer and now a columnist on military affairs in the New York Post:

“When enemy action kills our troops, it’s unfortunate. When our own moral fecklessness murders those in uniform, it’s unforgivable.

In Afghanistan, our leaders are complicit in the death of each soldier, Marine or Navy corpsman who falls because politically correct rules of engagement shield our enemies.

Mission-focused, but morally oblivious, Gen. Stan McChrystal conformed to the Obama Way of War by imposing rules of engagement that could have been concocted by Code Pink:

* Unless our troops in combat are absolutely certain that no civilians are present, they’re denied artillery or air support.

* If any civilians appear where we meet the Taliban, our troops are to “break contact” — to retreat…

We need to recognize that true morality lies in backing our troops, not in letting them die for whacko theories.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:52 am

“I guess McChrystal and Petraeus are liberals”

Yeah, I guess so…who knew?

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
11:57 am

“We need to recognize that true morality lies in backing our troops, not in letting them die for whacko theories.”

“Backing our troops” means not sending them on wars of choice against countries that are no threat to us. Backing them means sending them in with enough solidiers and equipment to FIGHT that war. Backing them means not diverting troops and supplies to ANOTHER war, against a country that was no threat to us. And winning a war…despite the opinion of someone who turns their self-hatred outward…does not ALWAYS mean winning at all costs. Ponder the “winning the battle, but losing the war” – declaring victory in a “war” that was ONLY A BATTLE, means you have lost not won.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
11:58 am

They appear to be, and they serve at the pleasure of Hugo Lula Hussein Soetoro, as all top Brass are utterly political .

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
12:03 pm

I agree there also, Bush followed a failed policy from 2005-thru the beginning surge on late 2007/2008. Bush was pretty liberal also. Thus the prosecutions of soldiers at abu ghraib for toying with a few haji’s, and the fact we have prosecuted soldiers for slapping haji’s or on some ahole reporters view of a streetbattle. Unless a soldier walks up and puts a gun to a haji’s head and pulls the trigger, I don’t see a problem. Liberals see problems if you hurt a haji’s feeling or make fun of their pedophile prophet.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:03 pm

“It’s the truth, so that should be told and the rest of your life ignored, right?”

bugatti–I believe the concept involved here is the difference between “the truth” and “the whole truth”.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
12:05 pm

You are a bunch of little sigmund frauds hha.. Self Hatred ..love your inner child? Hippie sh*t. I can love myself above all, and Hate others at the same time, it’s called compartmentalization and not valueing all life the same. It’s easy

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:06 pm

Here’s a little background music for laissez faire’s rants from Ronnie James Dio, who passed away a few weeks ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmSt1oEIshE

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:07 pm

“If you can point out ANY sort of factual account of the Japanese taking in and caring for wounded Americans on Iwo Jima, please post it. If you can’t post it, you are admitting that telling the truth was never the intention.”

I wouldn’t even try. Atrocities happen in wars. They happen on both sides. Noble things happen in wars. They happen on both sides. To try to whitewash one side as having committed NO atrocities is as much a lie as trying to paint the other side as NEVER doing anything noble. You want me to bring it down to specifics, when I was speaking in generalities.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:10 pm

“it’s called compartmentalization and not valueing all life the same”

Yes, well you DO realize that the end result of that sort of comparmentalization means that in order for YOU to feel completely safe you must eliminate everything you hate. And since you have confessed you hate people, that means you must eliminate ALL other people. Until you do, you will never feel safe. But I wouldn’t advise trying…those despised other people might turn out to hate YOU more than you hate US.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
12:13 pm

for Bruno

Live and let die…

when you got a job to do, you got to do it well, you got to give the other fella hellllllllll…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMw7×1XG_LM

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:15 pm

“you got to do it well”

Doing a job well is not the same thing as winning at all cost.

bugatti

May 31st, 2010
12:17 pm

DoggoneGA

You REALLY need to take a day or two away from posting here and pick up a history book and read about the Japanese’s policy toward prisoners. If you are speaking in generalities and you think that the Japanese and the Americans were equal in the way they treated their prisoners and the way the treated civilians, then your ignorance is far outreaching any good intentions that you might have.

TaxPayer

May 31st, 2010
12:20 pm

Sounds like laissez faire is managing to push some buttons today.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOyFE-1LAI0&feature=related

Come down with fire
Lift my spirit higher
Someone’s screaming my name
Come and make me holy again

bugatti

May 31st, 2010
12:21 pm

I worked all weekend and I am finally finished.

For everyone that has the intelligence to understand why our country is as great as it is, remember those who served and tell a soldier, a fireman or a cop thank you today.

God Bless America.

Off to the cook out.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:22 pm

“think that the Japanese and the Americans were equal in the way ”

And I never said anything like that. Why don’t you try discussing what *I* said, not what you hear in YOUR head.

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
12:28 pm

I made my point, and I doubt todays sad excuse for america will ever embrace it, so I will just leave with a good memorial day sentiment from the last great American Military leader…

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men(and women) who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.

George S. Patton

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:29 pm

“You are a bunch of little sigmund frauds hha..”

Hey, take it up with Peter Gabriel, laissez faire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG81DZ4t3bE

Fear, Fear, she’s the mother of Violence,
Making me tense to watch the way she breed.
Fear, she’s the mother of Violence,
You know self-defense is all you need.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:31 pm

“I made my point”

Indeed you did…and I have no doubt you’ll never see that it wasn’t the point you THOUGHT you were making.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:37 pm

laissez faire

May 31st, 2010
12:40 pm

Liberals always confuse fear and vengence. You really have been brainwashed by several generations of liberal fraud in the area of sociology and psychiatry. Maybe I am sociopathic in marxist psychiatric terms(the worst thing you can do to a collectivist is to not give a damn about the collective), I could care less because I don;t give a damn what others think, never have, never will.
You can enjoy destroying a rival without fearing the rival.

TaxPayer

May 31st, 2010
12:41 pm

Enjoy your afternoon, laissez faire.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:41 pm

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:43 pm

“Liberals always confuse fear and vengence”

And you are confusing power and strength.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:44 pm

This one is a repeat from Friday Night Music courtesy of Hillbilly Deluxe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJTqpKlZ9U

theeyeshaveit

May 31st, 2010
12:46 pm

Why all this petty in fighting? This is Memorial Day after all. Johnny Finn has passed, but there are many veterans of World War II who are still living among us. I have relatives who fought in that war. I would never say that America has not had its moments of shame. I do not deny the Mi Lai and Wounded Knee tragedies but today is the day to remember the contributions of our veterans. We may not support certain wars, certain commander in chiefs, but let us at least not disparage the men and women who are sent to fight on our behalf.

I saw the American Airlines commercial last night that honors veterans of our latest wars in the middle east. I found it heartening to see that we do honor soldiers coming home these days (i hope that we do). I am a Viet Nam era, Air Force veteran. When I traveled in my dress blues, I often received nothing but dirty looks from the civilians in the airports.

Do not blame the individuals who are in the military now for the wars. They did not start these wars.

We are the unwanted, asked to do the unnecessary for the ungrateful An Anthem for the Viet Nam Era Veteran.

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
12:50 pm

“but let us at least not disparage the men and women who are sent to fight on our behalf”

You can rest easy…no one has done that.

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:51 pm

“Why all this petty in fighting?”

C’mon, eyes, this wouldn’t be the JB blog without a little infighting. Only in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN1iI-DaJNw

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
12:56 pm

Paulo977

May 31st, 2010
1:00 pm

” Heart , you were never hot
Nor large, nor ful llike hearts made great with shot;
………………….
Weep,you may weep for you may touch them not.” Wilfred Owen.

josef nix

May 31st, 2010
1:04 pm

I do wish Jay had put us up another thread for the infighting. He’s got one waiting and I’m already laying bets. But this one, somehow, just doesn’t seem the one for infighting, even if those who died looking down might not be smiling that their sacrifices weren’t in vain…

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
1:06 pm

“After visiting a Denny’s in Virginia, Obama will abandon complex policies on emissions, clean coal and refocus on achievable goals like applying deodorant daily, learning what to say when you burp.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yiQXPOO1Yo

DoggoneGA

May 31st, 2010
1:09 pm

Now it’s time to indulge my latest hobby. I’m off to “chase” a coupld of waterfalls.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 31st, 2010
1:09 pm

When a Life magazine correspondent pressed (Gen. Lucian) Truscott for details about his VI Corps objectives in southern France in 1944, Truscott pointed to a map and snapped. “You saw me move this pin, didn’t you? … Do you know what it means? … It means that by noon today 25 of my men will be dead.” Truscott then sat down and finished his breakfast.

Eulogizing U.S. dead at Anzio on Memorial Day 1945, Truscott did an about face to dignitaries and instead addressed thousands of GI graves. He promised that if he “ever ran into anybody, especially old men, who thought death on the battlefield was glorious, he would straighten them out.”

http://www2.wnct.com/entertainment/2010/may/29/bio-spotlights-us-general-who-won-ikes-confidence-ar-187982/

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
1:12 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 31st, 2010
1:13 pm

Bruno

I seldom eat sausage; it’s too hard on my stomach. If I eat syrup, its white Karo, although I seldom eat that either. A pound of eggs is probably what I eat in a week. And I don’t even own a pair of sweat pants. So, everybody can stop worrying; the Republic is still safe. ;-)

Bruno

May 31st, 2010
1:18 pm

A special tribute to our humble host, Jay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-G2n91wKtY

P.S. to Bosch–The lady in the orange shorts has nothing on our gal, Sarah.

Union

May 31st, 2010
1:26 pm

SOUTHERN ATL

May 31st, 2010
1:27 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 31st, 2010
1:30 pm

Semper Fi

And don’t forget the Sailors, Flyboys, and Dogfaces. Lots of them laying under Crosses and Stars of David, too.

josef nix

May 31st, 2010
1:40 pm

“Because a Pushtoon’s life has no value to me…”

http://rickshawdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/kareem.jpg

Outhouse GoKart

May 31st, 2010
1:52 pm

Lettuce remember those who have fallen for the sake of You, I and our selfishness while TN Gelding enjoys his German Potato Salad, Schnitzengoobers and German Chocolate cake.

Mick

May 31st, 2010
2:02 pm

ogk

Here, here I second that motion and salute (bailey’s)..

theeyeshaveit

May 31st, 2010
2:05 pm

Outhouse GoKart

May 31st, 2010
2:32 pm

Speakin of “Crack is Whack”…too bad those Disraeli Commandos didnt raid the ship on which Cynthia McKinney was riding…Just imagine if they had and imagine the possibilities….

josef nix

May 31st, 2010
2:43 pm

ogk

Let’s not go there here. The Bruin will post a thread for this.

Morning Stars

May 31st, 2010
3:10 pm

HD – And don’t forget the Sailors, Flyboys, and Dogfaces. Lots of them laying under Crosses and Stars of David, too

Good point HB. We should remember all those who have fought and sacraficed for our country, from the Revolutionary War to some of the recent unnecessary wars such as the Iraq conflict. All wars have been initiated by the wealthy and more greedy. Enough is never enough. I be a’thinkin that’s what the Bible is referring to in the passage, “It is harder for a rich man to get to heaven, than for a camel…..” but I degress………….

To take up arms, or not to take up arms, depends on what we wish for ourselves and grands. The Revolutionary War, during which some of our OLD GRANDS fought for the independence of You and Me, should never be forgotten. Had our country not strived for Independence, we’d be bowing to the queen……

I’ll skip several skirmishes and go on the the Civil War, War of Northern Agression, or whatever we wish to call it. I’m sure most of us have Old Grands who were on both sides of this horrible conflict. Personally, I have researched and have found ancestors on both sides, and I’m sure both were of the assumption they were in God’s Will. (remember the movie God’s and Generals).

WWII – Would you prefer that your youngeons speak German? Allrightydin…..

My point is that all that have fought for our country, WWI, WWII, Korean conflict, Iraq Conflict…….should receive our respect and thanks for their service to our country. I was listening to a commentary on the N & S conflict (don’t remember dates or anything)…but someone said “Why? (N & S Soldiers). They are brothers. Of course they were, still are, always will be, except for a decided number of carpetbaggers. (ISH)

On another note: FOR HILLBILLY D: Have you read “A Separate Civil War” by Jonathan Dean Sarris?

Back later. Places to go…..barbeque to eat……