‘Top kill’ fails: BP abandons effort

I don’t know what to say about this. So I’ll let the Washington Post do it:

BP’s three-day effort to throttle the leaking gulf oil well with multiple blasts of heavy mud has failed. The attempted top kill of the well was abandoned late Saturday afternoon, leaving the huge Macondo field deep beneath the sea floor once again free to pump more than half a million gallons of crude a day into the gulf.

“I can say we tried. But what I can also say is this scares everybody, the fact that we can’t make this well stop flowing or haven’t succeeded in that so far,” BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said in a late-day press conference.

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Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
8:05 pm

“Now BP must fall back on a containment strategy in the near term, hoping to capture as much oil as possible.”

What exactly was wrong with using the “containment strategy” in an all out effort from day one of this disaster?

All culpable parties concerned, which especially includes our “Federal Government” since it is in the business of protecting America and its resources, owes America, even more so the people of Louisiana, an answer to this question?

N-GA

May 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

The bottom line is this: If the offshore drilling rig were a nuclear power plant, they would have a fail-safe disaster plan in place….fully tested.

When we allow the use of radically new technology (deep-water drilling), we need to clearly understand the consequences of failure.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
8:22 pm

When we have regulators who don’t regulate, what possible clear understanding can exist: See no evil speak of no evil and stop no evil?

A fail-safe disaster plan might be asking too much, however, an immediate response plan of containment is the very least that should be expected when the consequences of failure occurs.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
8:24 pm

“they would have a fail-safe disaster plan in place….fully tested”

Like the one they had at Three Mile Island maybe?

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
8:28 pm

“however, an immediate response plan of containment is the very least that should be expected when the consequences of failure occurs.”

The problem is, and has been, that they HAD such a plan…the blow-out preventer. And it failed, and the reasons are reprehensible. What IDIOT ordered that one of the rams be removed and replaced with testing equipment? Why was a battery allowed to go dead? That’s where MY concern has always been focused. That blow-out preventer would have stopped the well if it was in PROPER working condition.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
8:35 pm

Like the one they had at Three Mile Island maybe?

Like maybe better than the one they had?

Still with that said, there is absolutely no excuse to delay containment another hour.

The President clearly has no other choice than to issue the orders to get every boat and ship available into that area to skim, recover and prevent this oil from spreading or anymore of it from reaching the gulf shores.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
8:42 pm

The problem is, and has been, that they HAD such a plan…the blow-out preventer. And it failed, and the reasons are reprehensible. What IDIOT ordered that one of the rams be removed and replaced with testing equipment? Why was a battery allowed to go dead? That’s where MY concern has always been focused. That blow-out preventer would have stopped the well if it was in PROPER working condition.

Answer to those question and more are probably best answered by those in the Minerals Management Office and the Congress that has oversight of them. Any reasonable mind should not expect the oil industry to do all the right things. The government on the other hand has no other job to do than all of the right things.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
8:43 pm

“The President clearly has no other choice than to issue the orders ”

It doesn’t matter how many orders he issues…it’s not going to be stoppable. Not all of the oil is floating on the surface, so skimming and booms aren’t going to stop it. In the report I heard yesterday, they think it’s the chemical dispersants they’ve been using that are keeping huge “plumes” of oil under the surface. Until, or unless, those plumes come to the surface…they can’t be stopped from moving around the gulf.

Del

May 29th, 2010
8:43 pm

Don’t know where the best minds are but it’s looking more and more like divine intervention is all we might have left.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
8:47 pm

“Answer to those question and more are probably best answered by those in the Minerals Management Office and the Congress that has oversight of them.”

I don’t see it that way. If the MMS and Congress had known, they could have stopped it. The only people who KNOW the answer are the people who made the changes, and in particular, those who gave the orders.

“Any reasonable mind should not expect the oil industry to do all the right things. The government on the other hand has no other job to do than all of the right things”

Which brings the conversation RIGHT up to the question: who does the government REALLY “work” for? The people, as embodied in the Constitution? Or the highest bidder? I know what *I* think is the answer…and it’s not a pretty one.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
8:56 pm

I don’t see it that way. If the MMS and Congress had known, they could have stopped it. The only people who KNOW the answer are the people who made the changes, and in particular, those who gave the orders.

You might want to see things differently on this and accept the ugly answer you have. BTW, it is very, very doubtful there was any “IF” MMS and Congress had known. Especially those in MMS as a recently made known report indicates.

I’m telling you now, we must force a “house cleaning” upon these government agencies and hold Congress accountable.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
9:12 pm

Gifts and gratuities

See also: Department of the Interior Controversies

In September 2008, reports by the Inspector General of the Interior Department, Earl E. Devaney, were released that implicated over a dozen officials of the MMS of unethical and criminal conduct in the performance of their duties. The investigation found MMS employees had taken drugs and had sex with energy company representatives. MMS staff had also accepted gifts and free holidays amid “a culture of ethical failure”, according to the investigation.[23] The New York Times’s summary states the investigation revealed “a dysfunctional organization that has been riddled with conflicts of interest, unprofessional behavior and a free-for-all atmosphere for much of the Bush administration’s watch.”[24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31]

A May 2010 inspector general investigation revealed that MMS regulators in the Gulf region had allowed industry officials to fill in their own inspection reports in pencil and then turned them over to the regulators, who traced over them in pen before submitting the reports to the agency. MMS staff had routinely accepted meals, tickets to sporting events, and gifts from oil companies.[32] Staffers also used government computers to view pornography.[33] In 2009 the regional supervisor of the Gulf region for MMS pled guilty and was sentenced to a year’s probation in federal court for lying about receiving gifts from an offshore drilling contractor. “This deeply disturbing report is further evidence of the cozy relationship between MMS and the oil and gas industry,” Salazar said.[34][35]….

Role in 2010 BP Oil Spill

Among MMS’s regulatory decisions contributing to the 2010 BP oil spill:

* MMS’s 2009 decision that acoustically-controled shut-off valve (BOP) would not be required as a last resort against underwater spills at the site.[citation needed]
* MMS’s failure to suggest other “fail-safe” mechanisms after a 2004 report raised questions about the reliability of the electrical remote-control devices.
* Prior to Director Birnbaum’s appointment, MMS granted a categorical exclusion waiver on April 6, 2009 to BP exempting it from National Environmental Policy Act’s requirements including a detailed environmental analysis, concluding the spill risk in that part of the Gulf was “minimal or nonexistent.” Such NEPA waivers have become routine at MMS, and the Interior department approves 250 to 400 per year for Gulf of Mexico projects.[45][46]
* MMS gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico without first getting required permits from another agency (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA) that assesses threats to endangered species — and despite strong warnings from NOAA about the impact the drilling was likely to have on the gulf. Those approvals, federal records show, include one for the well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon rig, which exploded on April 20, killing 11 workers and resulting in thousands of barrels of oil spilling into the gulf each day.[47]
* MMS routinely overruled its staff biologists and engineers who raised concerns about the safety and the environmental impact of drilling proposals in the Gulf and in Alaska.[47]

Since 20 April 2010, when an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig killed 11 workers, 27 new offshore drilling projects have been approved by MMS. All but one project was granted similar exemptions from environmental review as BP. Two were submitted by the UK firm, and made the same claims about oil-rig safety and the implausibility of a spill damaging the environment.[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerals_Management_Service

Scout

May 29th, 2010
9:23 pm

I’m dead serious here. Wouldn’t a small tactical nuke shut it down (turn all the sand to glass, etc. and seal it off)? I think the Russians had to do it. At some point it become the lesser of two evils.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
9:28 pm

“Wouldn’t a small tactical nuke shut it down (turn all the sand to glass, etc. and seal it off)? ”

It’s probably going to come to that, but “small” isn’t going to do it. I’ve posted this before: the Russians have used that technique at least 4 times on gas wells and it took bombs TWICE the size of the one used on Hiroshima. Plus, it’s going to take time…they have to drill down close to the existing well in order to set it off underground. An above-ground blast won’t do it. Plus, just like everything about this disaster, it’s never been done in such deep water.

Southern Comfort

May 29th, 2010
9:28 pm

Wouldn’t a small tactical nuke shut it down (turn all the sand to glass, etc. and seal it off)?

I don’t know if it necessarily has to be a nuke or not. Many well fires have been put out by explosions. That’s due to cutting off the oxygen supply to the fire. I don’t know how an underwater explosion would do. It could shift enough land to stop the flow, or it could open up a vent and increase the outflow.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
9:34 pm

SoCo…the kind of blast you are talking about doesn’t stop the well, it ONLY puts out the fire.

Southern Comfort

May 29th, 2010
9:37 pm

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
9:38 pm

Despite BP’s and the government’s claims of a massive defense effort — “the battle offshore, we’re winning that battle,” Suttles said Friday — far more resources will be required to deal with the coming slick, Overton said.

“We’ve got to get more vessels. We don’t need 1,300, we need 10,000,” Overton said. “Now’s the time to stop being optimistic and get the assets out there.”

Taking perhaps the starkest view of the current state of affairs is Matthew R. Simmons, founder of a Houston investment banking firm specializing in the energy industry.

“You have to hire as many super tankers as you can find and pump as much of it into them before hurricane season. Once the hurricane’s come, the game is over,” Simmons said. “You can take a big tar mop and paint the Gulf Coast black.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052900561_2.html?hpid=topnews&sub=AR&sid=ST2010052903349

Trusslady

May 29th, 2010
9:41 pm

I’m sorry – you people want the government to do something? You mean that big, bad government that interferes with “capitalism”, by over regulating, because you know, business will regulate itself? Oh, and you don’t want the big, bad government to punish BP, and taxpayers should be paying to handle this, because if the big, bad government had “regulated” like it is supposed to before “government is the problem” philosphy took over? What, the “government” shouldn’t mandate or regulate that we reduce our dependence on oil, because we’re American’s and “drill baby drill” is all we need?
Yep, I hear you.

Scout

May 29th, 2010
9:48 pm

Doggone/GA:

Well, do you think they should be getting that ready just in case ?

godless heathen

May 29th, 2010
9:48 pm

Nuke it!

Well since the Federal Government is in charge, any failure is now theirs. Obama was betting on the Top Kill working. He started claiming to be in charge about the time the Top Kill proceedure was begun. I bet when he gets off vacation next Tuesday, he won’t be so anxious to claim he is charge.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
9:50 pm

“Well, do you think they should be getting that ready just in case ?”

Yes, I do. I think how fast they can get the drilling done is going to be the big question. I don’t know enough about the procedure to know if the relief well is close enough to be used. Frankly, if I was President I’d be on the phone to the Russians right now.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
9:52 pm

Trusslady…and don’t forget, that’s the same government that “can’t do anything right”

Southern Comfort

May 29th, 2010
9:55 pm

It’s also the same government that’s of the people, for the people, and by the people.

DoggoneGA

May 29th, 2010
9:57 pm

SoCo…at this point I’m discouraged enough to say “don’t hold your breath on that one”

godless heathen

May 29th, 2010
10:01 pm

I’m a conservative and I don’t want the frigging Federal government to do a damn thing but stay out of the way and provide factual information to the citizens. For example, tell the peeps that the dispersants being used by BP aren’t going to cause birth defects in people from eating contaminated seafood. Tell the peeps that their was a much larger spill in Mexico in the ’70s that is now long forgotten. Tell the people that although the volume of oil involved is much greater than the Valdez, the Gulf of Mexico is much different than than Prince William Sound. And so on.

Southern Comfort

May 29th, 2010
10:14 pm

gh

Do you know any of the above you mentioned to be 100% factual? The oil is still spewing, so there can’t be any comparisons to the Exxon Valdez until at least the flow is stopped.

What we are witnessing is a failure in execution. Would you jump out of an airplane without a contingency plan? With that plan thought out, would you do the jump without the necessary equipment in place for any/all contingencies?

BP is pi$$ing in the wind now. Earlier, Obama was being called on the carpet for not being PR savvy with this incident as well as Nashville. BP, on the other hand, has been all PR and no solution, and we see where that’s gotten us. Somebody’s gotta do something. If that means nuking the Gulf, just do it.

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
10:15 pm

You are sorry? Hooey!

Your big bad government didn’t regulate, period.

Regulations, even the best and rightly needed ones, are of no earthly good if the regulators don’t enforce the regulations and the Congress does not do the job of oversight.

No amount of spin or chiding of Drill Baby Drill sarcastically is going to change that fact or your big bad government’s failure once again to deal properly with the consequences after the fact of its’ own inept oversight, now that Spill Baby Spill has occurred.

None of this will stop Drill Baby Drill. Hopefully it will end the government of Shill Baby, Shill!

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
10:27 pm

I really am a conservative and I don’t want government out of the way when that way is the rightful responsibility of government to govern. Liberal-tarians and Socialist liberals on the left can both get out of the Constitutional way they seem determine to take a detour around.

The Constitution gave government the authority to regulate with very good and well founded purposes but like all good things, when they are misused or excessively abused they will likely kill you.

godless heathen

May 29th, 2010
10:55 pm

“Do you know any of the above you mentioned to be 100% factual? The oil is still spewing, so there can’t be any comparisons to the Exxon Valdez until at least the flow is stopped.”

What in this world is 100% factual?

See for yourself. Google MSDS sheet for Corexit. Google Ixtoc I oil well (spewed for over a year).

The ecosystem of Prince William Sound is very much not like the ecosystem of the Gulf of Mexico (my reference is personal knowledge)

You can be assured that BP is doing all they can to stop the flow (this is product) and the Federal Government is doing nothing except making it harder for them.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 29th, 2010
11:01 pm

Well, I reckon the MMS people sleeping with the oil cos. people, like the report said they did, never worked too good, so it’s time to try something else.

And I reckon “Drill, baby, drill” ain’t always the best solution. Funny how all the people wanting more drilling are so quiet now. Except maybe for blasting the guvmint about stopping the leak. Only the guvmint don’t know nothing about oil well drilling. So I reckon we’re screwed, blued, and tattooed. Anyways, we never wanted to use the beaches or eat the fish and oysters to start with.

So maybe by August the releif wells will be drilled and the oil will stop. By then all those mamas that’s got kids that could get sunburned can just roll them in the water and they’ll be all oiled up.

So us Conservatives that wanted more of our own oil will just be kind of quiet for awhile till this all blows over. At least we know now where all the oil will be. I mean, instead of needing to go out and look for it.

Have a good holiday everybody.

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May 29th, 2010
11:05 pm

Pretty cool, obozo did nothing about this spill so that he could run the oil companies ragged and now the oil companies are doing nothing about the spill so they can run obozo ragged.

I’m betting my money on the oil companies, just sayin…

Key provisions of the sweeping law include a requirement that police enforcing any other law question people about their immigration status if there is “reasonable suspicion” that the people are in the country illegally. It also makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally. -Urinal

Just think, obozo and the Atlanta Constipation have problems with this^^.

Blackhawks!!

Michael H. Smith

May 29th, 2010
11:17 pm

Perhaps being quite is the choice of some so-called conservatives but for this Conservative it is still very loudly DRILL BABY, DRILL!; WITHOUT BIG GUB’MENT’S SHILL HERE, SHILL NOW… SHILL BABY, SHILL!

professional skeptic

May 29th, 2010
11:40 pm

How many Republicans want to continue to ease regulation and weaken oversight of the oil industry? Oh, and give them more tax breaks, too. Come on, Republicans, how many of you want this? Raise your hands so everyone can see.

Wait, where are all of you going? Darn, you switch on the bright lights, and the roaches go scurrying away…

theyeshaveit

May 29th, 2010
11:41 pm

Michael SMith, you pondered why BP did not try containment at first. In fact, it did, but with no effect. It did not work. Now, they are contemplating a different type of containment, presumably, having learned some lessons with the earlier attempts. But it is important to appreciate the difference between the so called “Top Kill” and containment. Top Kill was supposed to STOP the leak. Containment does not stop; it merely “contains” or limits the flow of the oil.

theyeshaveit

May 29th, 2010
11:43 pm

P.S., and where is Sarah Palin tonight?

professional skeptic

May 29th, 2010
11:44 pm

Trusslady
May 29th, 2010
9:41 pm

Amen, sister.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 29th, 2010
11:50 pm

I think we should drill, baby, drill on land, instead of in the sea, just sayin…

Gee, I wonder who it was that whined about drilling in ANWR, where this thing could have been plugged in about twenty minutes?

Any guesses?

Scout

May 29th, 2010
11:50 pm

Doggon/GA:

There still may be some treaty that would keep us from doing it ………………

Jay

May 29th, 2010
11:58 pm

Reporter, let’s deal with that foolishness:

So are you claiming that if we had drilled in ANWR, we would somehow NOT have drilled in the Gulf? Was there some sort of tradeoff involved?

Or, would we have drilled in BOTH places, and ALL places, because our thirst for petroleum is so intense?

Which do you think it is?

theyeshaveit

May 30th, 2010
12:04 am

Off topic, but at this hour, why not? Besides, the death of “top kill” is all over the news. Let’s hear it from Glen Beck.

Conservative talk show host Glenn Beck has apologized for a segment on his radio program in which he made fun of President Barack Obama’s 11-year-old daughter, imitating her in a childish high-pitched voice and criticizing her intelligence.

Beck issued an apology on his website Friday after bloggers and parents objected to the tirade from Beck, who in the past has argued that the media should “leave families alone.”

The whole story is here: http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/glenn-beck-aplogizes-for-making-fun-of-barack-obamas-daughter-malia/19496426

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
12:17 am

Several points:

Skimming will no longer work. The dispersants that have been added to the water causes the oil to break apart and sink, going under the booms that have been added around the beaches and swamps.

Please go to http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/topic_subtopic_entry.php?RECORD_KEY(entry_subtopic_topic)=entry_id,subtopic_id,topic_id&entry_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=809&subtopic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=2&topic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=1
and read everything you can.

There is a map I saw yesterday on that sight that shows the drilling rigs in that area. There are almost 3,000 active wells and almost every single one is in more shallow water. My question is if oil deposits in giant underground lakes, why were we drilling in deep water when we had already been tapping that supply in more shallow, safer waters? Is it actually cheaper to drill in deep water because of much less earth to bore through? I can’t imagine that being the case.

This happened five weeks ago, but only after the oil was in the swamps and on the beaches did it become a politically sensitive issue and sure enough, that’s when the president became engaged. We need a leader, not yet another poll watcher.

The EPA launched a study for the environmental impact of dredged border islands being temporarily built to block the oil, but that ship has sailed because of the slow response by the president.

No one is blaming Obama for the leak, burt he needed to be engaged long before the polls started taking a hit.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
12:20 am

theyeshaveit

So when can we expect apologies from all the liberals that have made fun of Sarah Palin’s children and grandchildren?

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
12:34 am

professional skeptic

How many Republicans want to continue to ease regulation and weaken oversight of the oil industry?

How many Democrats want a leader that waits 5 weeks until the oil is already on shore before he even visits the area? And you may want to consider, regulatory commissions are a mater of Congress and there hasn’t been a Republican congress for three and a half years.

The Deepwater Horizon was not an oil platform. It was a drilling rig that was simply a very large, very tall boat. One of Obama’s largest supporters, BP, contracted that “boat” to drill a deepwater well. That entire process started at least a couple of years after the last Republican control of Congress was long gone.

Now what were you saying about roaches?

theyeshaveit

May 30th, 2010
12:37 am

Bugatti, why “all the liberals”? If any individual made the type of comments that Glen Beck made, he/she should apologize. For example, I believe Letterman apologized, did he not? It should be noted, that Beck made his comments about Malia Obama after criticism of the people who made comments about Palin’s kids. Quid pro quo is one thing, but we do not have an “original sin” here requiring the repentance of the masses.

moonbat betty

May 30th, 2010
12:37 am

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
12:46 am

theyeshaveit

That’s great that after Letterman’s ratings started taking a hit, that he apologized. Of course Keith Olbermann nor anyone else ever apologized and I might add that some of the things said on this forum go way beyond the pale.

Beck was a classy guy and apologized. I’m proud that Republicans are held to a higher standard. And make no mistake: that’s exactly what it is. No one expects Olbermann to apologize nor any other of the groups of slobbering liberal big mouths that have attacked Palin for two years, now. It’s not what liberals do.

See, the difference is that you are complaining that someone apologized. I’m complaining that groups of people didn’t.

theyeshaveit

May 30th, 2010
12:46 am

It’s time to say good night. I leave you with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM40IzExGG8

theyeshaveit

May 30th, 2010
12:49 am

Wait…..calling Beck “classy” is way over the top. How classy was he when he did that skit on the Obama family that Fox calls news? The “Family Values” party, indeed.

Peace. Out.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
12:58 am

theyeshaveit

Letterman made jokes on his nationally broadcast TV show about an adult athlete having sex with Palin’s minor child. Was Beck’s skit as bad as that?

And please, learn the friggin difference between what Beck does and News.

Considering that the night that the White House admitted committing a felony and tried to manipulate a Senate race. CNN was ignoring the story as was the big three.

It appears that FOX is the only network that is telling us the truth.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
1:00 am

theyeshaveit

And BTW, the “skit” was on his radio show, not his FOX TV show. Is it too much to ask that you actually know what you are talking about before you start wagging your finger?

Michael H. Smith

May 30th, 2010
6:22 am

theyeshaveit, I expect the government to protect the resources of this country no matter what or who else fails to do whatever. That is the responsibility of government to always stand at the ready prepared with not only a plan but as well have the means whereby to put that plan into action and execute it appropriately. Thanks for the additional information that really didn’t inform me very much.

So now I ask as I did in the opening of this blog:

What exactly was wrong with using the “containment strategy” in an all out effort from day one of this disaster?

I’m speaking directly to government which should have been doing this containment not sitting around, flying down to the gulf making nice speeches and bold statements. Yes, Mr. Obama, those are JUST WORDS, JUST EMPTY WORDS!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 30th, 2010
6:38 am

So are you claiming that if we had drilled in ANWR, we would somehow NOT have drilled in the Gulf? Was there some sort of tradeoff involved?

Jay- Which do you think is cheaper, drilling in 5000 foot of water or from the ground? And if given the free choice, which do you think the oil companies would choose?

How many Saudi Arabian ocean based oil rigs do you reckon there are?

Michael H. Smith

May 30th, 2010
7:05 am

I will tell you exactly which it is Mr. Bookman, we will have to drill baby drill, dig baby dig, cleanup shill baby shill, spill baby spill and do all the others things not because they are easy but because they are in fact the hard things no one chooses to do in order to reach the moral high ground of energy independence in a haste to avoid war not in a rush to dominate war’s outcome as we did in the space race to reach the moon within a decade.

We do not have to drill everywhere but we shall have to drill here and drill for now. We do not have to dig everywhere but we shall have to dig here and dig for now. We do not have to build nuclear everywhere but we shall have to build nuclear here and build for now. With each step along the way making us cleaner, less of a hydrocarbon based economy as we become more of a renewable greener energy based economy that is less dependent on the resources of others as we take each of those steps to reach the ultimate goal of making America energy independent.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 30th, 2010
7:11 am

The White House and independent Democratic lawyers have scoffed at the notion that anything illegal happened and accused the Republicans of trying to criminalize politics. Even former Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey, appointed by former President George W. Bush, said Friday on Fox News that it was “highly questionable if there’s any crime” and that a prosecution “really is a stretch.” -Urinal

OK, if that is true, then what was “Plame Gate?”

Just askin….

Jail obozo now!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 30th, 2010
7:27 am

Metro jobless rate falls; area will add jobs in 2011

Metro Atlanta’s jobless rate took a deep dive last month, falling to 9.8 percent in April from 10.4 percent in March, the state Labor Department reported last week. Meanwhile, Georgia State University’s latest economic forecast predicted the area would add 42,500 jobs in 2011 and another 51,600 jobs in 2012. Both figures were downgraded from the previous forecast because of hard-to-gauge variables, such as the Gulf oil spill, said Rajeev Dhawan, director of GSU’s Economic Forecasting Center. -Urinal

Yeah, o.k.

The White House propaganda stooge corp/ AJC is probably the only sure bet for job growth, now or anytime soon.

How many people got hired in Georgia to make the unemployment rate “deep dive?”

Rightwing Troll

May 30th, 2010
7:28 am

What were those 3 impeachable offenses again???

Rightwing Troll

May 30th, 2010
7:30 am

“Letterman made jokes on his nationally broadcast TV show about an adult athlete having sex with Palin’s minor child. Was Beck’s skit as bad as that?”

I didn’t know Bristol was a minor. Did Levi face any charges for knocking her up? Were there any repercussions from the “family values” crowd for her getting knocked up as a minor?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 30th, 2010
7:39 am

This right here truly defines what a liberal really is-

Boy, 4, dies, pinned by SUV -Urinal

Anybody who could read the horrific and sad details of this article and then turn around and use it for propaganda against “SUV” is just a angry, stupid and really small person.

Just sayin..

RW-(the original)

May 30th, 2010
7:39 am

So Letterman can show Willow Palin on the screen and claim she got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez, but it’s all about Bristol. Are moonbats really this deluded?

larry

May 30th, 2010
7:40 am

What were those 3 impeachable offenses again???

Wearing the wrong brand of suits.
Actually speaking in complete sentences
Using Aleeve instead of Advil

Dont worry , we’ll make something up

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
8:04 am

It appears that FOX is the only network that is telling us the truth.

Let’s take a piece of truth from this day and a slice of truth from that day and tape them together and viola! We still have truth, don’t we.

You Did, No, You Did

May 30th, 2010
8:07 am

Are the so-called conservative, family-values, Republicans (or whatever they choose to call themselves from one day to the next) always so Really Weird. It’s hardly original.

Bob

May 30th, 2010
8:09 am

Jay, I think they would have drilled in the cheapest areas first instead of going to 5000 feet. Gov Jindal wanted to dredge temp reefs to keep the sludge from hitting the Marshes, he is still waiting on the permit from gov. How many years will it be before the regulators give the go ahead to Jindal ?

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
8:18 am

Just to re-capture the morning’s highlights.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
May 30th, 2010
7:39 am
This right here truly defines what a liberal really is-
Boy, 4, dies, pinned by SUV -Urinal
Anybody who could read the horrific and sad details of this article and then turn around and use it for propaganda against “SUV” is just a angry, stupid and really small person

RW-(the original)
May 30th, 2010
7:39 am
So Letterman can show Willow Palin on the screen and claim she got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez, but it’s all about Bristol. Are moonbats really this deluded?

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
8:24 am

And if given the free choice, which do you think the oil companies would choose?

Last time I checked, the oil companies had the freedom to just be Republican and say no. But they just could not say no to drilling out there in the Gulf. Perhaps they should have taken up that Republican habit sooner.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
8:30 am

Rightwing Troll
RW-(the original)

So you both believe that what Lettereman did and APOLOGIZED for is OK but what Beck did isn’t.

How odd. I expected no more from you.

Pretty disgusting if you ask me. So where do liberals cross the line? if a liberal was actually raping a child, would you still defend them? Yes, that’s an extreme, but try and come up with a point in which you would consider what a liberal did was actually wrong. Can you do it?

Let’s see.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 30th, 2010
8:30 am

Morning everybody. Don’t forget to go to church this a.m. Then we can go back to slamming and snarling. It’s the American Way. So put down the booze for a hour. You’ll feel alot better about it all.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
8:32 am

TaxPayer

LOL!!

And yes, your opinion about FOX is so important to the people who watch it. Run back over to CNN. I think Joy Bahart is doing another show with Lisa Manelli. Now THAT is really NEWS!!!

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
8:33 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

You are drinking at 8:30 AM on Sunday morning?

Wow.

jt

May 30th, 2010
8:33 am

Some good jobs for this “emergency”. But first you must submit to a federal five-year background check AND submitt to a drug check. Then you must wait for the results. How assanine?

From a local rag NWFDaily News———–

“A private-sector company that has a contract with BP will be hiring for three types of positions.

Around 20 of the 200 positions in each county will require supervisory experience. All candidates will undergo drug testing and background checks of the past five years, according to a press release from JobsPlus.”

Delusional Tea Party Zealot

May 30th, 2010
8:34 am

It’s all Obama and the Democrats fault. they controlled congress since 2007 they let mms run free.

Obama needs to do something he needs to add more regulations.

The Government needs to stay out of my business and cut my taxes.

Only Liberals eat seafood so who cares, why should I pay for a bailout for these fisherman who chose to fish near oil wells.

BP will do the right thing because this is a free market and corporations care about us.

Accidents happen so what, Brit Hume said he does not see any oil.

I bet the families of the mean who died will sue, All they want is money bunch of libs we need tort reform.

Delusional Tea Party Zealot

May 30th, 2010
8:38 am

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
8:38 am

Bob

There are almost 3000 wells along that coast. This would have been one of the deepest. From Grand Isle, where Obama pretended to care (He cares, alright. That 42% approval rating is sinking like the Titanic), you can see several from shore.

The crazy thing is that there was already a barrier set up for the Beach on Grand Isle. it would have taken a couple of days to save the beach, but that ship has sailed.

stands for decibels

May 30th, 2010
8:44 am

I’ve had half a day to process this and I don’t know what to say either.

jt

May 30th, 2010
8:44 am

When people believe the power of the state is inifinite, only two responses are possible: anger, when the Republican emperors fail to protect them, or pretense, when the Democrat emperors fail to protect them.

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
8:46 am

And yes, your opinion about FOX is so important to the people who watch it.

Considering the type of person that actually goes to FOX, thinking they’re getting fair and balanced news, for example, I’m hardly humbled by such a claim.

jt

May 30th, 2010
8:55 am

MMS lied,

the marshes died.

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
8:55 am

Is BP making progress on that relief well? I have not heard. Perhaps Obama can make the Republicans happy by declaring the Gulf to be the new storage for our nation’s strategic oil reserves. And who on earth thinks that we have not drilled holes all over this nation. Here is some of what we’ve drilled in the Gulf. The number of wells drilled on land far exceed that.

Delusional Tea Party Zealot

May 30th, 2010
8:56 am

Can we stop the leak with some illegal immigrants? Fill the hole with them..

stands for decibels

May 30th, 2010
8:57 am

Considering the type of person that actually goes to FOX, thinking they’re getting fair and balanced news

I really don’t think such viewers believe this to be true. Rather, they think that Fox is merely as biased to the right as they believe every other mainstream is biased to the left.

So that makes it fair and balanced.

Kinda like how we’re seeing such over-the-top crazy stuff being alleged about the current Administration and the gulf gusher. I don’t think people who post such things here really believe half of what they say, but they figure it’s fair because their guy got pummeled so badly back in the day.

(I’d like to think my fellow humans were something more noble than that, something more than just a bundle of nerves and kneejerk reactions, but it’s hard to cut ‘em that much slack when I see topics like this being argued.)

stands for decibels

May 30th, 2010
9:00 am

And yes, your opinion about FOX is so important to the people who watch it.

I might add, the opinion of people who’ve loathed Obama (i.e. FNC viewers) since he won the nomination don’t mean a heckuvalot to people who haven’t, and don’t loath Obama now, either.

Run back over to CNN.

Why do so many righties persist in the delusion that progressives love CNN?

Jeez. You’re arguing about what amounts to an ancient delivery system. The bestest cable TeeVee news? It’s like arguing who makes the best buggy whips.

stands for decibels

May 30th, 2010
9:02 am

Anyway, I’m off to worship.

Later, kids. Try not to fail in your efforts to stop filth from flowing.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
9:05 am

stands for decibels

“I really don’t think such viewers believe this to be true. Rather, they think that Fox is merely as biased to the right as they believe every other mainstream is biased to the left.”

I would have to agree with that. Of course what is considered to be radically “right” now is mentioning God, talking about patriotism, speaking out by organizing marches of old people, getting angry when members of the government says that anyone speaking out against them are NAZIs. “Right” is basically what the country used to believe in, when we were on the upswing.

Now, we are becoming less and less productive and our leaders now apologize for our past success. The democrats are building a brand new shiny plantation for the hispanics and we can look forward to much more taxation and much less incentive to succeed.

It’s really not hard to see why FOX is killing the other cable news networks and is actually competing with the big three.

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
9:14 am

stands for decibels

“It’s like arguing who makes the best buggy whips.”

So are sites like The Huffington Post” the new media? Is the Mainstream media just not quite radical enough for you?

Sadly, I’m afraid that with this administration, the real media is being shamed on a daily basis for their lack of coverage of what is really happening. The do have at least a small amount of credibility to try and salvage.

However, for the few left that still believe that Obama can do no wrong, the Huffington Post and Salon.com are just about radical enough and in the pocket of the likes of George Soros to still support him no matter what. I think that unquestioned loyalty, certainly not real news is what many on here will need to go to.

Southern Comfort

May 30th, 2010
9:18 am

dB

Amen brother. I don’t know what to say about this topic. I’ll let the right/left fight continue and just sit back and laugh at this stuff all day.

AmVet

May 30th, 2010
9:21 am

Good churchy morning everybody. Time to act all pious, so you can get away with (excuse me, be forgiven for) whatever it is you get away with the other six days a week.

What oil? I can’t see any oil. Can you see any oil, Andy?

And just for grins, what are those three impeachable offenses again?

That crybaby peckerhead mocks an 11 year old child and he is classy for saying to was stupid? Otay.

The decades long and successful effort to under-staff and under-man federal regulators in numerous critical agencies NOW seems to draw the very small ire of a few of the right wingers.

Greed is good. Corruption and fraud is an admirable business model. As for the endless malfeasance and criminal negligence? Too bad…Just a cost of business in the corporate destruction of capitalism.

Thirty years later and prince William Sound is “pristine” doncha know?

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
9:22 am

I’ll let the right/left fight continue and just sit back and laugh at this stuff all day

Laugh. Cry. Show indifference… .

If only we had more tax cuts and less regulations, none of this would matter!

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
9:31 am

Taxpayer

If only we had more tax cuts and less regulations, none of this would matter!

Actually, if we had an electorate educated enough to vote for their leaders, based on their past performance, could take a subjective look at a candidates past and present associations and ignore shallow kitchy slogans like Hope and Change, very little of this would have had the devastating effect that it is having.

5 weeks into the nations largest oil spill which could easily devastate the entire east coast and Obama finally takes a day from the golf course and fund raisers to make a short visit to the area to look concerned.

I understand that democrats expect very little from the people they elect, but really, isn’t this a little crazy?

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
9:35 am

AmVet

The decades long and successful effort to under-staff and under-man federal regulators in numerous critical agencies NOW seems to draw the very small ire of a few of the right wingers.

The Deepwater Horizon was a drilling rig. It was not an established pumping platform. It was inspected often and several times since Obama took office.

How long are you going to blame this administration’s problems on past presidents?

RW-(the original)

May 30th, 2010
9:37 am

So you both believe that what Lettereman did and APOLOGIZED for is OK but what Beck did isn’t.

bug,

How you could possibly read what I typed and come away with that interpretation of it is beyond me.

AmVet

May 30th, 2010
9:38 am

“If only we had more tax cuts and less regulations, none of this would matter!”

Taxpayer, I’m still amazed at that “parasitic government” post last night. Tell that to the men and women lying in military cemeteries form sea to shining sea. Who died so that clown can write such childish and ignorant nonsense.

Yes, the little men who control the two failures called the Republican and Democratic parties are well on the way to selling off our blood soaked sovereignty to the highest bidder – on Wall Street or in China, it makes no difference – but I see them the same as I do the prima donnas in baseball. The game has suffered tremendously because of them and their roided out self-glorification and unconscionable avarice, but it will endure.

(Mr. President! Ban the DH Now! And raise the mound. And move the fences back to where they used to be when real men played the game. And put 10 foot walls back up instead of these little league 8 footers. And…) /grin/

“…under-staff and under-manfund federal regulators…”

bugatti

May 30th, 2010
9:42 am

RW-(the original)

Sorry.

jt

May 30th, 2010
9:44 am

I, for one, am greatly thankful that we are protected from drug-addled shiite muslims that might infiltrate the oil clean-up.

They’re everywhere ya know.

Gator Joe

May 30th, 2010
9:47 am

Jay,
People died initially in this disaster, and tragically countless more will suffer from the after effects, not to mention the irrepairable damage to the enviornment, and I’ll bet no one at the responsible companies, or agencies will be held accountable. BP, the owners of the platform, and Halliburton will continue to do business, when at the very least all of their resources should exhausted, to the point of ceasing to exist, in compensating the victims and attempting to repair the damage.

Cooter-- The illegal hunter

May 30th, 2010
9:50 am

Bugatti pay little attention to the leftists on this board. they elected a criminal chicago politician. they will fall for everything.
Now he is destroying our coastlines, like he destroyed the economy.
Took him 18 months to destroy 400 years of success. We will be a third world voodo worshipping country once this man leaves office.

God willing this Sestak thing will get him impeached

TaxPayer

May 30th, 2010
9:53 am

With the appropriate quantity of more tax cuts and less regulation, none of this would matter because Folks like Fox would be unimpeded in their quest to be the best at telling us what to believe and Folks like BP would have free reign in fulfilling the laissez fair thee well that can only be fully realized with the complete and utter demise of resistance. Resistance is futile. We will be assimilated… Incorporated. Do not fight it. Wear your LLC with pride.

DoggoneGA

May 30th, 2010
9:54 am

“pay little attention to the leftists on this board. ”

Hate to tell you this, but you need to know…he’s no more capable of “ignoring the leftists” that you are. If he was, and you were, you wouldn’t even be here.

Kamchak

May 30th, 2010
9:54 am

5 weeks into the nations largest oil spill which could easily devastate the entire east coast and Obama finally takes a day from the golf course and fund raisers to make a short visit to the area to look concerned.

Are you saying that this is Obama’s first visit to the gulf regarding this incident?

Southern Comfort

May 30th, 2010
9:54 am

bugatti

I’ve worked for the fed long enough to understand where AmVet is coming from. Those inspectors who inspected that rig did not get hired on Jan 20, 2009. The culture they operated under didn’t experience a cosmic shift in procedures that day either.

I get a kick out of people who continuously berate the government. I’d love it if we had a compulsory service clause in the constitution or something. Everyone should have to do 2 years of service after high school. Once you complete that 2 years, your name should go on waiting lists depending on your job skills and educational background. Government jobs could then be assigned like jury duty. Make everyone responsible for the operation of the government. People tend to be less critical and more helpful to things they have a personal stake in.