CBO says stimulus a bigger success than expected
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reports that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, better known as the stimulus bill, has created millions of jobs and in fact has had an even bigger economic impact than expected.
“CBO estimates that in the first quarter of calendar year 2010, ARRA’s policies:
- Raised the level of real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent,
- Lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.5 percentage points.
- – Increased the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million, and
– Increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 1.8 million to 4.1 million compared with what those amounts would have been otherwise.
In March 2009, the CBO predicted that as a result of the stimulus, employment today might be as much as 2.3 million than it would have been without the law. The updated report puts that number as high as 2.8 million.
In other words, the stimulus that according to some hasn’t created one single job has been and continues to be an important success. Times are still hard, but without ARRA, millions of Americans working today to support their families would instead be on the unemployment line, collecting UI benefits.
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Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:33 am
“but without ARRA, millions of Americans working today to support their families would instead be on the unemployment line, collecting UI benefits.”
Like many, many more public school teachers.
Union
May 26th, 2010
10:34 am
so.. since it worked.. we dont need another bailout for eudcators and states.. nor do we need one for their state run pensions.. thats AWESOME.. I am glad it worked..
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
10:37 am
Don’t let Boehner or what’s his name, Mitch whatever, or the rest of the Party of No see this report. It’ll just ruin their day. What’s their e-mail addresses. I’ll help mail out the copies. hehehe
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:38 am
“has created millions of jobs”
Tell that to the 10% unemployed. Ask them if the bill is a success.
Mick
May 26th, 2010
10:40 am
Sounds like stimulus 2 will be coming soon to finish the job.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
10:40 am
This the same CBO that muffed the HC cost estimates?
Mick
May 26th, 2010
10:41 am
**Tell that to the 10% unemployed. Ask them if the bill is a success.**
What do you want from the gov’t, socialism?
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
10:44 am
Peadawg is just disappointed that the unemployment rate is not 12%, or higher.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:44 am
“This the same CBO that muffed the HC cost estimates?”
LMAO!!!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:45 am
“Peadawg is just disappointed that the unemployment rate is not 12%, or higher.”
No, I’m disappointed it’s still hovering around 10%.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
10:45 am
LMAO!!!
Does it hurt when you do that.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
10:49 am
No, I’m disappointed it’s still hovering around 10%.
Have you contacted your state and local representatives and inquired as to what they are doing to fix that? After all, you do not really expect the federal government to do it all. There are only so many openings that the DoD, for example, can fill with a trillion dollar annual budget. Perhaps you could offer to pay more property and sales taxes such that more state and local government jobs could be funded.
Mick
May 26th, 2010
10:49 am
**This the same CBO that muffed the HC cost estimates?”**
How do we know that they muffed the cost estimates when HC has not even been implemented yet?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:50 am
I think we have more successful stimulus debt in the offing…I hear it contains a “summer jobs program for 16 to 24 year olds” and lots of other really cool and neat things.
This is so Groovy.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:50 am
Mick,
“How do we know that they muffed the cost estimates when HC has not even been implemented yet?”
The little voices in their heads tell them so.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:51 am
Outhouse,
““summer jobs program for 16 to 24 year olds””
Really? Great! I need to get my kids out of the house.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:52 am
“After all, you do not really expect the federal government to do it all.”
No, I’m a Republican. I don’t wait for my handout. But stop saying this thing was such a success w/ unemployment still around 9-10%.
TM
May 26th, 2010
10:52 am
I like how the actual report states that the total number of jobs reported by the recipients of ARRA money is $700,000. Then CBO states that the number may be lower or higher depending on different factors and they jumps to the conclusion its between 1.2 million and 2.8 million. I could not find in the report how much ARRA money was spent in the first quater to creat these numbers.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
10:52 am
Taxpayer, we’ve all heard of spineless, but are you suggesting some here are assless?
I found it amazing that bloggers with no credentials whatsoever, became experts overnight on all matters economic and fiscal.
These problems and proposals are unimaginably complex and inter-related; yet without a scintilla of experience, education or even a working knowledge of such matters, pundits and their parrots knew beyond the shadow of a doubt what was going to work and what wasn’t.
Is this the legacy of ignorance born of Trickle Down/Voo Doo economists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ytcQW93yrU
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
10:55 am
Mick, Bosch – You really need to get out more. Jay doesn’t tell you everything.
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
10:55 am
Nonpartisan? Maybe.
Correct? Absolutely NOT! I refer you to the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, which is costing more than 5 TIMES the CBO’s initial cost estimates. I refer you to health care reform, which the CBO now says will INCREASE the deficit, not lower it.
And not so fast, Jay! The report states quite clearly that: “First, some of the reported jobs might have existed in the absence of the stimulus package, with employees working on the same activities or other activities.”
And: That the ARRA “funded” jobs, not necessarily “created” jobs.
Big difference.
As usual, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:56 am
Peadawg,
Have you contacted you local Chamber of Commerce and ask them what the hell’s their problem? They need to get out there and get some economic development going so businesses can hire some folks!
Del
May 26th, 2010
10:56 am
Scout and Normal,
I don’t think that Cadets and Midshipman fall under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ. They are officers in training and not enlisted in any branch of the armed services.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
10:58 am
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:50 am
Would that be another prediction, or is that claiming knowledge of their inner thoughts?
You do indeed crack me up with your unapologetic hypocricy.
Makes me smile each time!
Bosch and Mick,
Would it not stand to reason that the CBO DID mess up on atleast 1 health care estimate?
If they(CBO)did not mess up then why was there a need for that report of theirs that had the cost of HC at a WHOPPING 115 Billion with a b more than the original projection?
was the 1st one correct or the second?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:58 am
Bosch, you made my point about expecting Obama to help with all these other things but you don’t expect him to help w/ the oil spill.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:58 am
Will somebody please send a memo to schools that it’s not cool for their kids to wear Klan outfits to school — even if it’s a class project? Please? Can somebody work on that?
N-GA
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
Taxpayer – When he LHAO it will hurt….it will give him a headache.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
Glad to see this.
Sure, the stimulus package should’ve been bigger, with grander infrastructure programs under way, but with a centrist Democratic President, incremental moves liked these are to be expected.
(Getting what we voted for–what a concept, huh?)
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
“Would that be another prediction, or is that claiming knowledge of their inner thoughts?”
I was wondering the same thing.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
Peadawg @ 10:58 – that doesn’t even begin to make sense. Now, my friend thomas is here, so I’m going to play with him now.
Union
May 26th, 2010
11:00 am
Are these the same numbers where the states spent the money on employee raises..then counted it as a job saved or job created even though there was neither?
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
11:00 am
Del, it took me about 15 seconds to confirm that they indeed are…
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 26th, 2010
11:01 am
Well, all I know is the stimulus never helped me. What we ought to of done is, I don’t know, maybe offer people free beer as a stimulus. Beer sure stimulates people on this blog on Friday night. Giving people free stimulus beer would help alot of beer warehouses and beer truck drivers. Long as the guvmint pays for the beer, of course. It wouldn’t do nothing if it was really free. But I reckon the churches would be against the whole thing and then we’d get into a row about whether people could get their free beer on Sundays.
Anyhow, I can’t hardly wait till the godly Conservatives get on here and start talking about that lying CBO and stuff like that. And then somebody’s bound to bring up the made-up numbers on the Obamacare bill and somebody else will bring up the useless guvmint and the oil spill and somebody else will make some crack about Obama taking a vacation when he should be at Arlington on Memorial Day and pretty soon we’ll be right back to where we started last night.
Have a good lunch everybody.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:01 am
“But stop saying this thing was such a success w/ unemployment still around 9-10%”
I know this will make teatards heads explode but, what if we didn’t do the stimulus that Bush started and Obama continued? Could it be possible that unemployment would be higher?
thomas
May 26th, 2010
11:02 am
Aww thanks Bosch!
You do seem to tolerate me more than other conservatives here, and i appreciate it!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:03 am
“Could it be possible that unemployment would be higher?”
Don’t assume stuff.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:03 am
thomas,
No, that’s not a prediction, that’s just a guess. And you bet I’m an unapologetic hypocrite – we all are hypocrites for Christ’s sake – some are just too proud to admit it.
And, I think you have me confused with someone who thinks that the health care costs in the new HC bill are not way off.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
11:03 am
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:01 am
Always a possiblity!
But if the stimulus had been stopped could unemployment be lower?
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:04 am
But…..But…. Sister Sarah said……. and my tea people said ……..oh darn it !!! It worked !!!
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
11:05 am
Stimuli or not unemployment will continue to go higher…stay tuned.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:06 am
“No, that’s not a prediction, that’s just a guess”
LOL! Geeze.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:07 am
thomas,
No problem – I have three teenagers — I’ve learned to deal with passive aggressive as an art form.
And I so meant
“And, I think you have me confused with someone who thinks that the health care costs in the new HC bill are not way off.”
“are way off” – not “not way off.”
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
11:07 am
All kidding aside we can be thankful for the fine job accmplished by the CBO. Just imagine how poor our outlook and attitudes would be without their positive info.
“You see sometimes 1 + 1 can equal 3.”
Normal
May 26th, 2010
11:08 am
Del,
The following is a “Fact Sheet” of a Court Martial of a Naval Academy
Midshipman. As you can see, they are indeed held to the UCMJ.
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/OwensFactSheet.htm
Gale
May 26th, 2010
11:09 am
Those look like very loose statistics to me. Also, how can anybody prove fewer jobs were lost than might have been? If I presented a proposal with numbers that soft, my boss would laugh me out of the room.
Gale
May 26th, 2010
11:11 am
Oh, and a summer jobs program for 16-24 year olds? Good idea. That is the demographic that spends like crazy. That will help the economy.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:11 am
Things I’d like to know:
What are the first 3 of 4 impeachable offenses (provable) that Obama is guilty of?
What taxes have increased?
Where will we get the money to fund a rapid reaction force tasked with containing disasters like what’s heppening in the gulf right now?
And to expand the train of thought on that RR force… should we have enough equipment and manpower to handle 1, 2, 3 or more situations at once? And should we establish these RR forces in all areas where offshore drilling occurs under our jurisdiction, or worldwide?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:12 am
Gale,
“That is the demographic that spends like crazy.”
Tell me about it, damn!
Mr. Snarky
May 26th, 2010
11:13 am
Wow! Billions of dollars of spending that wouldn’t have occurred otherwise stimulated the economy! Who would’ve thunk it? I’m shocked! Shocked!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:14 am
““That is the demographic that spends like crazy.””
They’re not all Democrats so that’s not a true statement. Too much assuming going on here today!
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
11:15 am
“I refer you to the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, which is costing more than 5 TIMES the CBO’s initial cost estimates”
gee. one was forecasting and the other was backwards-looking … do you people not understand the difference???
thomas
May 26th, 2010
11:15 am
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:03 am
No I understand your stance on HC, unless i am wrong you feel it is a right, and thus treated as one. I certainly could not place a price on my right to bear arms and wouldn’t care to. You were in discussion didn’t want to leave you out! Not making an accusation.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:15 am
“Always a possiblity!
But if the stimulus had been stopped could unemployment be lower?”
Well, at least one here has a level head and an open mind. It’s all but impossible to say what will happen and what would’ve happened, it is possible to say what could’ve happened though.
Too many here seem to know exactly what WILL happen, and curiously it always seems to be that what WILL happen will be bad, even if what IS happening doesn’t seem that bad…
hmmmm……
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
11:16 am
one was forecasting and the other was backwards-looking … do you people not understand the difference???
asses, elbows, excrement, Shinola, it’s all good.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:16 am
It is successful! That is great, but I didn’t read anywhere in those numbers that the government recouped 105% of the money it dished out. Then and only then, will it be successful.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
11:17 am
Being dubious of CBO (or any other governmental) numbers is not a bad thing.
BUT…it is almost always predicated on the ideological viewpoint of the suspicious.
If the numbers corroborate some desired outcome, they are valuable. If they don’t, they are not. It is that simple.
But to me, armchair economists are only slightly less laughable than armchair generals…
jt
May 26th, 2010
11:17 am
For those living in Obama La-La land. Sorry for the buzz kill.
From the Esteemed Dr. Paul–
The government likes to tout the number of jobs that have been created or saved by the stimulus. But even if these numbers are accurate, they do not count the number of jobs that are not created in other more productive or self-sustaining sectors of the economy. Nor do they count the jobs that will be lost in the future when tax rates will have to be increased to pay off the interest on the debt that is financing much of the stimulus package.
Finally, the stimulus package enables the government, rather than the market, to pick winners and losers.
Whenever the government doles out money, political factors come into play. Firms that are politically well-connected or located in important congressional districts will benefit, while those firms without political connections, the ability to navigate bureaucratic hurdles or that exist in isolated areas unimportant to Washington will lose out.
Once the stimulus money runs out, the companies and jobs dependent on that handout will find themselves once again struggling.
A company that cannot satisfy consumer needs in the marketplace and that requires a government stimulus to remain competitive is a company that should not be in business.
The last thing this country needs is more government spending, especially on such wasteful measures as stimulus packages. We have wasted trillions of dollars in the past year and a half in stimulus packages, bailouts and guarantees to unsound companies.
We have run up our national debt to unprecedented levels. We are destroying the dollar. And it seems as if there is no end in sight.
Loose monetary policy, easy credit and too much debt created the bubble and got us into this economic crisis. Unless the government learns its lesson and opts for restrained monetary and fiscal policy, it risks a complete implosion of the U.S. economy.
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:18 am
Maybe the RR force should be funded by the oil companies themselves and we should have the equipment and manpower to handle 1,2,3, or more situations at once. As far as the jurisdiction goes, that would be left up to each country. But i would also enforce an uniform code for all rig construction and drilling operations including safety measues. They could do that at their next G-8 or G-20 summit.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:18 am
“They’re not all Democrats so that’s not a true statement. Too much assuming going on here today!”
Please refer to my statements about prognostication…
Trust me on this, teen “conservatives” need bling, cellys, and video games just as much as liberal teens.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:19 am
jt, did you just say a double-dip recession is coming? Say it isn’t so!
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:20 am
Was that YOUR position jt? Was it emailed to you or sent in a pamphlet or did you find it online?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:20 am
thomas,
Yes, I do feel that HC is a right – and was very disappointed that the health care reform did not lead to a single-payer system — which, is the only way I feel that costs will ever be addressed. One customer who gets to name the price. I feel that the only winner in the bill was the insurance companies — who do nothing for the direct care of patients – but somehow they control how much things cost. That makes no sense to me.
Anywho…….
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:21 am
Bosch, big businesses win too! They can save money by paying the fine rather than providing employee healtcare! ATT did studies.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:21 am
And how did you feel about Geroge W Bush’s stimulus payouts? Am I the only one who remembers the checks W sent out to us ALL, even those who didn’t pay taxes?
DannyX
May 26th, 2010
11:22 am
Medicare Part D is actually costing ONE THIRD LESS than the original CBO estimates.
From the Wall St Journal:
“The Medicare prescription-drug benefit is costing taxpayers a lot, but less than expected. The Congressional Budget Office’s original 10-year price tag was $640 billion over 10 years; it’s now down by a third to $410 billion. The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services was off by even more.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126282080941818727.html
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
11:24 am
“What taxes have increased?”
Troll, if you think that we can pay off this massive debt WITHOUT raising taxes, you’re smoking some serious dope. That the taxes have yet to be raised is simply to ignore the inevitable.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:24 am
I didn’t agree with the stimulus payouts, but it is hard to give up free money.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:25 am
So to recap:
W sent checks to individuals to pay for flatscreen tv’s made in china. Obama (sorry, Obowo to you teatards) sent money to American companies to save jobs here in the states.
This is not a debate on why any stimulus was even needed, we all know that it was needed because Willie got a hummer in the whitehouse and Barney Frank is gay.
jt
May 26th, 2010
11:25 am
BMDPD
I do not know, nor does anyone. It seems likely. I DO know that NOTHING is right with our money being sold for zero percent interest.
Rightwing Troll
I agree with it. I often refer to what Dr. Paul has to say about any given subject and usually agree with his position. Good format at lewrockwell.com.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:26 am
“but I didn’t read anywhere in those numbers that the government recouped 105% of the money it dished out”
Oh my freaking God -
Will you people please read what stimulus money has been spent on? Please? A good chunk of this money was spent to stabilize state budgets! They aren’t going to be paying that back!
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:27 am
“Troll, if you think that we can pay off this massive debt WITHOUT raising taxes, you’re smoking some serious dope. That the taxes have yet to be raised is simply to ignore the inevitable.”
Agreed. So please tell your compadres to quit speakiong of the inevitablity in past tense. (you could also ask them to acknowledge where this debt originated, CBO accounting gimmicks aside…)
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:27 am
Troll, it was needed due to the housing market crash. It drove a lot of the economy. The housing market crashed happened for several reasons.
1. Fannie and Freddie
2. Big banks getting greedy
3. Political decisions of both parties.
Thanks.
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:27 am
This is interesting .
From the Wall Street Journal
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109636/more-workers-start-to-quit?mod=career-worklife_balance
Citizen of the World
May 26th, 2010
11:27 am
None of the Fox News devotees on this blog will ever believe that the stimulus has helped because Sean Hannity says otherwise!
Next thing you know, Jay will be saying that the West Point graduates applauded Obama’s line about ending the war in Iraq during his commencement address, and the Fox News fans will think that’s also a lie, since the applause was muted when they aired a clip of the event.
Del
May 26th, 2010
11:28 am
AmVet and Normal, It appears you’re correct. I’m not sure since they’re not yet formally members of the Armed Forces it it’s full UCMJ jurisdiction or not.
jt
May 26th, 2010
11:28 am
Rightwing Troll
And as far as Dr. Paul sending me an email, he does. He sends anyone who donates over 400,000 dollars personalized up-dates.
It is well worth it.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
11:28 am
DannyX – We supposed to feel better because the CBO estimated high on Part D? They can’t find their butts with both hands.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:29 am
“A good chunk of this money was spent to stabilize state budgets! ”
Boy did that work!!!!! ~saracasm~
laissez faire
May 26th, 2010
11:30 am
millions of jobs like….these?.. All hail Hugo Lula hussein Soetoro!
Two more Census workers blow the whistle
ou know the old saying: “Everyone loves a charade.” Well, it seems that the Census Bureau may be playing games.
Last week, one of the millions of workers hired by Census 2010 to parade around the country counting Americans blew the whistle on some statistical tricks.
The worker, Naomi Cohn, told The Post that she was hired and fired a number of times by Census. Each time she was hired back, it seems, Census was able to report the creation of a new job to the Labor Department.
Below, I have a couple more readers who worked for Census 2010 and have tales to tell.
Each month Census gives Labor a figure on the number of workers it has hired. That figure goes into the closely followed monthly employment report Labor provides. For the past two months the hiring by Census has made up a good portion of the new jobs.
Labor doesn’t check the Census hiring figure or whether the jobs are actually new or recycled. It considers a new job to have been created if someone is hired to work at least one hour a month.
One hour! A month! So, if a worker is terminated after only one hour and another is hired in her place, then a second new job can apparently be reported to Labor
Read more: nypost.com ( real paper that has real reporters not just ap wirecopy)
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:30 am
Dave,
One more point to make. These taxes may not start to rise significantly for another year or two. What do you think President Palin and the GOP controlled congress will do about it in 2013? Roll up thier sleeves and get to work? Or spend a lot of time looking backwards and pointing fingers?
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:31 am
The bad thing is that we as a nation are in quite a quandry. We are fighting two wars. We have just given away a bunch of money that we don’t have. We are not in a position to raise taxes due to the recession. What is worse is that nobody knows what to do and all we do is sit here and argue our ideology.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
11:33 am
Peadawg – “Boy did that work!!!!! ”
actually, it was a tremendous help – an example: without it, unemployment checks (which are handled at the state level) would have ended months ago …
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:33 am
Last I heard the Census was a constitutional obligation, not an effort to locate guns.
N-GA
May 26th, 2010
11:33 am
Thomas – re: “You do seem to tolerate me more than other conservatives here, and i appreciate it!”
Are you calling Bosch a conservative, or are you saying that he tolerates you more than he tolerates other conservatives. Perhaps you should clarify that before he slaps you with his glove.
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:34 am
What do you think President Palin and the GOP controlled congress will do about it in 2013? Somebody get the screen cleaner, i just spewed !!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:34 am
“actually, it was a tremendous help”
Tell that to all the teachers getting laid off.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:34 am
Actually Peadawg,
It did work – it kept alot of public school teachers teaching last year so that they could make necessary cuts and plan for the next year.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
11:35 am
Fannie, Freddie—SQUIRREL!
N-GA
May 26th, 2010
11:36 am
jt – re: I DO know that NOTHING is right with our money being sold for zero percent interest.”
You have it backwards! It’s great when the gov’t pays very little for borrowing money. What is amazing is why people would loan money so cheaply.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
11:37 am
Peadawg,
Those teachers getting laid off would have gotten laid off last year if not for the stimulus money – it enabled states to stabilize their budgets so they could make necessary adjustments — you really don’t know how budgets work do you? I”m a mathtard, and I know that.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:39 am
I am going to sum up this blog.
1. Obama and the Dems can do no wrong
VS.
2. Obama and the Dems can do no right.
That is all we should post every single day, Bosch and crew will preach number 1. Peadawg and crew will preach number 2.
Not one person will change their mind. So, Bosch every post you need to type “Obama can do no wrong.”
Peadawg follow up with “Obama can do no right.”
Scout
May 26th, 2010
11:40 am
Now the other side of the “biased coin” :
AMERICA’S NATIONAL DEBT
TOPS $13,000,000,000,000;
DEBT PER TAXPAYER – $117,975;
US DEBT TO GDP RATIO – 90.3%
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:40 am
“Those teachers getting laid off would have gotten laid off last year if not for the stimulus money”
So, Bosch, what you saying is the stimulus package just delayed the inevitable?
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
11:40 am
Call me up when the national debt has DECREASED. Until then…….waiting…..
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:41 am
Shhhhhhh!! enough about teacher layoffs already. Im at one of these newfanguled docks with my good ole boy Sonny. Sonny?? Sonny , where are you?!!!
Matilda
May 26th, 2010
11:42 am
Right, Peadawg. Because the children didn’t need that extra year of education they got on their road to the inevitable. How do I do the eye-rollie thing? :eyeroll:
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
11:42 am
Lettuce hope and pray that when the Evil Big Business’ Empires begin to “pay the fine” in lieu of offer HCare benefits that Big Govt will have a solution…wouldnt that be a coincidence…
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:42 am
BMDPD, lol that was pretty funny. That gave me a good chuckle. But I think Cynthia Tucker leads the other side, not Bosch.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
11:43 am
I am going to sum up this blog.
1. Obama and the Dems can do no wrong
VS.
2. Obama and the Dems can do no right.
3. At least once a week someone will drag out Fannie and Freddie, the favorite whipping boys of the right, to flog once again.
fyt
DannyX
May 26th, 2010
11:43 am
Pennsylvania, how do you even know what side of the issue I’m on? I corrected a statement that was flat out wrong.
10:52… AMVET…..”I found it amazing that bloggers with no credentials whatsoever, became experts overnight on all matters economic and fiscal.
Then right on cue…
10:55…Dave R…”I refer you to the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, which is costing more than 5 TIMES the CBO’s initial cost estimates.”
The original CBO estimates are one third higher than their original estimates.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:44 am
I won’t mention CT. She banned me for quoting Jesse Jackson.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
11:44 am
Peadawg – “Tell that to all the teachers getting laid off.”
the fact of the matter is that the current way schools are funded is ludicrous to begin with –
however, Bosch is right – without the stimulus money, a lot more teachers would have lost their jobs …
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
11:44 am
Just curious…do you guys who come here and complain about Cynthia Tucker also go to HER blog and complain about Jay?
Gator Joe
May 26th, 2010
11:44 am
Jay,
All of the bashers of Obama, Democrats and Liberals would have some credibility if they had opened their mouths in protest to Bush/Cheney’s deficit spending, illegitimate war, torture, illegal evesdropping, etc. Had they protested then, we may not have had the problems we are faced with now. Keep protesting, continue to bash, even as the situation improves, I support your right to do so.
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
11:45 am
Troll, I’m hoping that whoever is in the White House now and in the future understands that what Congress and past administrations have done to this debt is criminal, and that they will move swiftly to cut spending AND increase taxes in order to pay down this debt.
If they don’t start tomorrow, this country will default on our debt in less than 20 years, and the world economy will collapse right after that.
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:45 am
Kamchak, if say that Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with the meltdown, then you are a fool.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:46 am
“Just curious…do you guys who come here and complain about Cynthia Tucker also go to HER blog and complain about Jay?”
No. I can tolerate Jay’s blog. I actually don’t mind Jay’s blog. Jay’s not near as biased as Cynthia.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
11:46 am
Gator – “if they had opened their mouths in protest to Bush/Cheney’s deficit spending, illegitimate war, torture, illegal evesdropping”
oh, but they DIIIIIIID … just ask them – they’ll ALL tell you that they ALL protested Bush/Cheney’s spending-like-a-drunken-sailor-on-leave …
BMDPD
May 26th, 2010
11:47 am
No one here will acknowledge anything is wrong with their side. Not one of you.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:47 am
“Call me up when the national debt has DECREASED. Until then…….waiting…..”
Well gosh… your phone hasn’t rang since the year 2000 has it?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
11:48 am
“oh, but they DIIIIIIID … just ask them – they’ll ALL tell you that they ALL protested Bush/Cheney’s spending-like-a-drunken-sailor-on-leave …”
I was still in high school and college so I didn’t pay much attention to politics. Now that I know what Bush/Cheney did, I DON’T agree with they’re spending-like-a-drunken-sailor-on-leave either.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
11:48 am
Im unsure how true this may be so dont shoot the messenger…
This is supposed to be part of the new Health Care Bill.
I contacted my Congressman about House bill HR3590 the health care bill
Just passed. I asked for a summary of changes.
The aid directed me to go to www: thomas.gov ; enter HR3590 in the search
Box and look for summaries.
Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W 2 tax form sent by your employer
will be increased to show the value of what ever health insurance you are
given by the company. It does not matter if that’s a private concern or
Governmental body of some sort. If you’re retired ? So what; your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.
You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have
Never seen.
Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000
Additional gross does to your tax debt. That’s what you’ll pay next year.
For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it’s even worse.
This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15 % that don’t
Have insurance and it’s only part of the tax increases.
Not believing this I researched the summaries and here’s what I’m reading:
On page 25 of 29 :
TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec .
9001 , as modified by sec. 10901)
Sec.9002. “requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee
The aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage
That is excludable from the employees gross income.”
Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to
Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is
What I just told you about.
DannyX
May 26th, 2010
11:48 am
So how do we trust your take on things Dave R.? You just got caught pulling numbers out of no where. Your take on Medicare Part D spending was all fantasy.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
11:49 am
Matilda
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
theyeshaveit
May 26th, 2010
11:49 am
Peadawg said, “has created millions of jobs”
Tell that to the 10% unemployed. Ask them if the bill is a success.
Do you intend to tell the other 90% that it was not?
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
11:49 am
“Not one of you.”
See, when you speak in absolutes…it leaves you wide open for ridicule…because YES some of us WILL, and DO, criticize “our side”
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:51 am
I guess it’s a good thing that employer paid health benefits have been on a decline for the last decade or so.
Matilda
May 26th, 2010
11:51 am
Kamchak, thanks!
larry
May 26th, 2010
11:51 am
5.6 trillion dollars spent under B/c, with a reduction in revenues of 3 trillion dollars under the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003. Which were passed under full support of a GOP congress which were in the majority.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
11:51 am
Well some of us have God on our side so we are definitely not wrong.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
11:53 am
Is there any truth to what Jon Stewart was saying last night, that the banks we gave money to are now the same banks loaning the gov. money for the stimulus?
I can’t believe i am investigating if something jon Stewart said is true….. gawd
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
11:55 am
Kyle appears to disagree with Jay’s blolg post. So I hope Jay walks by Kyle’s desk and smacks him upside the head with his Pittsburg Pirates hat.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
11:56 am
All of us who want reasonably sane government spending are going to HAVE to address the issue that no one really wants to, and the one that has been avoided since Eisenhower – the military industrial complex.
Which is simply another way of saying contrived, staggeringly vast corporate welfare for the war machine.
End the majority of it and many of these problems, deficit spending, excessive tax burdens on the middle class, faltering infrastructure, faltering education, and many others start going away.
To their credit, the two Pauls skirt around the edges of this but are not yet brave enough to really address the root cause nor seek that it be redirected…
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
11:57 am
Kamchak, if say that Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with the meltdown, then you are a fool.
Please show me where I said that.
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.
During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
Were Fannie and Freddie part of the picture? Sure—just not as much as your Fox soaked brain needs to believe.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
11:57 am
Outhouse:
“Well some of us have God on our side so we are definitely not wrong.”
Which god? There are MANY gods humans created.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
11:57 am
thomas, yes, the banks are screwing us in more ways than one. Colbert talked about this a week or so ago.
I think Elizabeth Warren should open a can of whoop arse on these bankers.
Oh my she is the hawtness when she’s angry!
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
11:59 am
International aid is another area we should take a long hard look at. We are not getting any bang for our buck there, if we can’t buy the goodwill of the world via aid, we should just settle for what we can get via consumerism…
Citizen of the World
May 26th, 2010
12:02 pm
Here, here, AmVet @ 11:56. We’re feeding the war machine with blood and taxes — talking peace but waging war for well over a century now — and it’s got to stop.
md
May 26th, 2010
12:04 pm
“White house changes stimulus count”
“And instead of counting only created and saved jobs, it will count any person who works on a project funded with stimulus money—even if that person was never in danger of losing his or her job.”
Taking this into account, I’d be very wary of cbo’s “numbers”. They only report what they are given, they do not investigate how the numbers came about.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
12:05 pm
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
11:57 am
Seems like the government is screwing us too!
How bad of a manager of OUR money do they have to be?
Who else would loan another person money, then get the person they loaned money to loan it back to them……. but with intrest?
These are the choices of the people in charge? WOW?
That is indefensable stupidity, approaching on Bush levels and those who don’t call it that way can only be doing so for ideological reasons and not honest ones.
I thought this Presidnet was to be much smarter….. but apparently not.
Guess thats why my Grandpa (who was a mayor in GA) said people in politics have to be in politics, they are too dumb to do anything in the “real world”.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:06 pm
Thomas…are you calling your Gandpa a dummy?
Independent
May 26th, 2010
12:08 pm
Recent reports say the Census Bureau is laying off and rehiring the same workers to boost the jobs created numbers.
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
12:08 pm
“The little voices in their heads tell them so.”
Bosch, please stop speaking for others you hypocrite.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
12:08 pm
Saul,
Actually, I think he was calling himself a dummy.
I’ve found in my short life the smartest people are the ones who understand they don’t know S**t!
G Cancryn
May 26th, 2010
12:10 pm
Recent reports say that Lindsey Lohan is having a lesbian relationship with Sarah Palin
thomas
May 26th, 2010
12:11 pm
Independent
May 26th, 2010
12:08 pm
They are also hiring people on the sexual predators list to come to people’s homes. Which one bothers you more?
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
12:11 pm
Recent reports say the Census Bureau is laying off and rehiring the same workers to boost the jobs created numbers.
umm, wouldn’t that be a wash?
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
12:11 pm
Shocking, I know, but OGK’s copy paste 11.48 is a fake.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/hr3590.asp
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:12 pm
Recent reports say the Census Bureau is laying off and rehiring the same workers to boost the jobs created numbers.
The Census Bureau takes the census in phases—at the end of each phase workers are laid off, then rehired when the monies are appropriated for the next phase.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:12 pm
When I was age 16 to 24 and needed a job or a summer job I didnt wait around for uncle sam to come calling. I got off my behind and went knockin on doors soliciting to mow neighbors lawns, clean out gutters or filled out applicatons at local business’.
Perhaps I had it all backwards? Should I have awaited at home for the potential employers to come over for a visit and offer me something?
Gee…seems I did the hard way.
G Cancryn
May 26th, 2010
12:13 pm
Recent reports say Lindsey Lohan and Sarah Palin have hired sexual predators to help raise Trigg
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:13 pm
“The Census Bureau takes the census in phases—at the end of each phase workers are laid off, then rehired when the monies are appropriated for the next phase.”
Which would be called “a wash”.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:13 pm
Thomas… it’s always a “good” thing to be “humble” and realize that no matter HOW much one reads or studies…there is always more to absorb.
G… I heard it was Bristol… and that she’s only with Lindsay because she’s trying NOT to get pregnant again. Please check your sources.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
12:13 pm
“The Census Bureau takes the census in phases—at the end of each phase workers are laid off, then rehired when the monies are appropriated for the next phase.”
That’s fine. But don’t count it as “creating jobs” if you’re hiring the same people each time.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
12:15 pm
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:12 pm
Are they counting the re-hires each time as a job created?
if so thats not very honest is it? Not a very transparent way of doing things, if it is successful tricks should not be needed.
G Cancryn
May 26th, 2010
12:15 pm
WOW That’s great!!
Disgusted
May 26th, 2010
12:16 pm
5.6 trillion dollars spent under B/c, with a reduction in revenues of 3 trillion dollars under the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003.
But . . . but . . . but . . . didn’t revenues actually increase after the tax cuts? I mean, that’s what they told us would happen, and they wouldn’t lie to us, would they?
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
12:16 pm
Recent reports say Lindsey Lohan and Sarah Palin have hired sexual predators to help raise Trigg
It was in a real newspaper with real reporters.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:17 pm
Outhouse… are you trying to cast “blame” upon the Obama administration for the census? The simple questions asked in trying to get a count of our population? Do you REALLY believe that the census is “evil” and needs to be STOPPED?! I mean…was the census HIS “creation”… I guess the census is a “liberal” thing and something the wingnutters need to fear. Oy Veh!
BTW….have ANY Republican administrations ever “funded” the census? Hmmmm… I guess not (being that it’s evil an all)….
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:18 pm
Dont YOU be worried about honesty or otherwise. Barack Obama, our fearless leader, will let you know. Now have another PB&J sandwich.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:19 pm
Disgusted… The Bush tax cuts were a HUGE success!!! In the end….They lost us 8+ Million jobs… I mean what could possibly be more successful? A war started against Iraq?
Atlantan
May 26th, 2010
12:21 pm
Kamchak, here you go (and it ain’t from Fox)…
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10749446/1/fannie-and-freddie-making-bank-bailouts-look-cheap.html
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:21 pm
Mr Saul… Barack Obama, our fearless leader, will tell you what was a huge success and otherwise. Now have another PB&J sandwich.
md
May 26th, 2010
12:22 pm
For those questioning the practices of census rehiring, here’s the link – decide for yourselves:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/two_more_census_workers_blow_the_OqY80N3DBTvL17VmxKKR0O
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
12:22 pm
Dont YOU be worried about honesty or otherwise.
Come on, Outhouse. It took me about five seconds to copy/paste a line from that badly-formatted email forward you’d dumped in here, into a search field, and the Snopes link came right to the top.
In other words, it took about as long as it took you to type “Im unsure how true this may be so dont shoot the messenger…”
If you can’t be bothered to show even that degree of due diligence, why should we pay any heed to anything else about which you might opine?
G Cancryn
May 26th, 2010
12:22 pm
Sadaam…… Al Qaeda.
You can trust that guy?
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:22 pm
That’s fine. But don’t count it as “creating jobs” if you’re hiring the same people each time.
I can’t speak for all census workers but a friend of mine did three phases. He might have worked one 40 hour week. Most weeks, when he did work, were 20 hours of less. Each time he was laid off, he had to go back to the unemployment office and apply for benefits. The entire time he worked for the Census Bureau he was looking for a full time job. he finally found it and left government work.
G Cancryn
May 26th, 2010
12:25 pm
Kamchak,
I know, it’s not your pot, you’re holding it for a friend.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:12 pm
Are they counting the re-hires each time as a job created?
if so thats not very honest is it? Not a very transparent way of doing things, if it is successful tricks should not be needed.
Do you guys believe the Census Bureau’s hiring practices is a conspiracy to inflate employment numbers?
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
Why would census jobs be counted period. They were not saved by the stimulus bill, were not created by it, and would have occured in the exact same numbers regardless of the economy or the stimulus bill.
If you believe the CBO numbers, YOU ARE AN IDIOT. How many times do they have to be completely wrong before you get that? The friggin weatherman is right more than they are. And the idiots we keep listening to about how many predicted named storms we’ll see every season. Stop being gullible dumbarses.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
NY Post? Please, give us a link to a serious rag like NYTimes or Reuters but not that trash.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
12:27 pm
Isn’t the census a constitutional obligation? Or is it really a libural ploy to direct money to ACORN?
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
12:28 pm
Sick ‘em, Kam!
Every time somebody puts Freddy/Fannie anywhere near the top of the list of reasons for the corporate destruction of capitalism, I know the humiliation that awaits them!
Interestingly, the CBO’s number are crap (according to some here), yet the MMS’s MHSA numbers “detailing” how BUSH was tougher on enforcement were inviolable.
Who says the “little guy” never gets any help?
The House is expected to vote soon on the “Homeowners’ Defense Act,” which would create a federal bailout program principally designed to subsidize property insurance for wealthy coastal residents in Florida. It would provide an incentive for new development in environmentally sensitive coastal areas and wetlands; these areas are vitally important to fish and wildlife and protect communities from flooding.
From the communist, pinko, socialist, Lenninist, collectivist, Marxist, Trotskyist, income redistributionist (did I miss any?) Sierra Club…
mm
May 26th, 2010
12:29 pm
Why don’t you wingnuts go whine at a rich CEO for not hiring people. They are the root of the problem.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
12:30 pm
I got more garden work that needs to be done. I can’t afford to pay no $50/hr though unless you promise to buy a few hundred ears of corn from me for a buck each.
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
12:31 pm
Del-
You can complete an ROTC program without ever contracting (usually someone who has a medical condition or legal issue that makes them inelligible to commission). SO ROTC student may or may not be under UCMJ depending on if they have contracted or not. Cadets at the military academies have to contract before they start school so are subject to UCMJ while there.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
mm, au contraire!
He did. But they were all in India or China or Malaysia or …
md
May 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
“NY Post? Please, give us a link to a serious rag like NYTimes or Reuters but not that trash.”
I said “decide for yourselves”. If one does not like the source, one is free to do whatever research is necessary to find an answer.
Or one can just poopoo it and remain uninformed.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:36 pm
“Do you guys believe the Census Bureau’s hiring practices is a conspiracy to inflate employment numbers?”
One can fill a glass with water from the faucet or from a thimble.
Normal
May 26th, 2010
12:36 pm
They should have had this when I went to boot camp…
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/navy_videogame_bootcamp_052610w/
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
USinUK- oh, but they DIIIIIIID … just ask them – they’ll ALL tell you that they ALL protested Bush/Cheney’s spending-like-a-drunken-sailor-on-leave …”
I think I’ve been consistant on this. Obama is the worst of Bush magnified. The Demwits excuse for their idiotic policies is that “Bush did it first” Two, three, four and I think we’re up to five wrongs still don’t make a right.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
G Cancryn
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) cadets and midshipmen are by law EXEMPT from the UCMJ (even while on active duty for training such as CTLT, LTC, LDAC, or while attending various training schools such as Airborne School, Air Assault School, Mountain Warfare School, etc.).
md
May 26th, 2010
12:38 pm
“Do you guys believe the Census Bureau’s hiring practices is a conspiracy to inflate employment numbers?”
“And instead of counting only created and saved jobs, it will count any person who works on a project funded with stimulus money—even if that person was never in danger of losing his or her job.”
If this is how they count stimulus jobs, how would one know??
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:38 pm
Thats become the ObaMantra…Its Bush’ fault.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
12:40 pm
Or one can just poopoo it and remain uninformed.
Well I did read it, it’s not really a news story, just a rather sloppy Business column from a guy passing along tales sent to him by readers. This columnist later asks us:
When I received my Census form in the mail, I filled it out. Nobody had to knock on my door.
I answered truthfully about the number of people living in my household. But I could have just as easily doubled the number. Why not?
I’d think the answer to that “why not” might entail understandable apprehension about supplying fraudulent information to federal authorities. I’d think potential criminal penalties might apply if you were knowingly falsifying such documents.
But what do I know–I’m not a columnist for a real newspaper with real reporters.
Normal
May 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
Scout, whoops…
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/navy_marine_cheating_ballard_052510w/
md
May 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
“UK gov’t reveals it has 225 nuclear warheads”
What a neat new game Barry has started – every country disclose how many nukes they have and then we get to guess which ones are telling the truth. I bet the spooks are going nuts right about now.
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
12:42 pm
kamcheck- Do you guys believe the Census Bureau’s hiring practices is a conspiracy to inflate employment numbers?
No, the whole reporting system on how many jobs have been created by the bailout is a scam. If you think these Census jobs don’t count as a job created you’re kidding yourself.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:43 pm
One can fill a glass with water from the faucet or from a thimble.
And a watched pot never boils, but a stitch in time saves nine.
Monies are appropriated to the CB at the beginning of each phase. Since they don’t know precisely when the next phase will start, they let people go rather than pay them for doing not head counts/address confirmations.
thomas
May 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
No I am not the conspiracy type.
But still say that if the same people are just being re-hired it is a dishonest thing to claim each time they are hired as a job created.
I also think ANY politician regardless of party will spin any information or bloat any informaation they need to to get a point across.
And if they are indeed doing so with the census workers and they are part of the “jobs created” then they have succedded as there are people touting the numbers w/o taking the time to see what comprises them.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
12:46 pm
Oops—not doing.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:47 pm
Yeppers…the CBO is lying or was provided false information. Its just that simple.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:49 pm
Hey everyone…Latest “BREAKING REPORT” I’m going to make up (just like they do on Fox News)…
NEWS FLASH:
The Reagan/Bush41 administration hired NOBODY for the census… except for ONE person who did it ALL!
Dubya Baby Bush got paid by Daddy to do it all (which means that ALL of those numbers they reported in 1990 were BS…because he was still too busy getting drunk, doing blow, ruining companies one by one … and getting girls pregnant out of wedlock to have bothered)!
This has been a report from GOD (one of the 12 “Original Ray’s Pizza GODS” in NYC).
md
May 26th, 2010
12:49 pm
” Each month Census gives Labor a figure on the number of workers it has hired. That figure goes into the closely followed monthly employment report Labor provides. For the past two months the hiring by Census has made up a good portion of the new jobs.
Labor doesn’t check the Census hiring figure or whether the jobs are actually new or recycled. It considers a new job to have been created if someone is hired to work at least one hour a month”
sfd,
I personally take it with a grain of salt, but am curious if the numbers are reported as stated above. I don’t know for certain if they are or not, but I’m not going to poopoo them when I have no clue.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
12:52 pm
Some fun for the kiddies…
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
12:52 pm
Normal-
Basic training injuries are a serious problem. Alot of the trainees have never done anything physical in their life, so when you make them do something they break. At any given time, about half your platoon would be on medical profile.
They all have excellent hand-eye coordination. If this will help them get in shape and reduce injuries I’m all for it. Wii does wonders in the nursing home. Why not try it with high school kids?
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
As everybody here but the most obtuse know, I have had MUCH more to say condemning BHO and his numerous failures (not closing GITMO, surging into Afghanistan, keeping the fascist’s suspension of habeus corpus and illegal corporate spying on Americans in place, hcr, …) than praising him, but regardless of whether the cons care about results or not, these are the facts. And they support the assertion that Bush was INFINITELY more deadly, counterproductive and incompetent:
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. The first bill President Obama signed into law, on January 29, 2009, was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which expands the rights of workers to sue employers over wage discrimination claims.
SCHIP expansion. On February 5, 2009, Obama signed a bill expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to cover 4 million more lower-income children.
Public lands bill. On March 30, Obama signed an omnibus public lands bill, which The New York Times reported “allows for 2 million more acres to be declared wilderness… [with] more than 1,000 miles designated as scenic rivers, and adds land for national trails.”
Credit card reform. On May 21, 2009, Obama signed into law a bill providing what USA Today called the “most sweeping changes to the credit card industry in 40 years,” adding restrictions on interest rate increases and fees and restricting the marketing of credit cards to college students.
Tobacco regulation. On June 22, 2009, Obama signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which, for the first time, gave the U.S. Food & Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco.
National service. On April 21, 2009, Obama signed the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which expands the scope of AmeriCorps and provides opportunities for young people and senior citizens to join in service programs.
Stem cell research. On May 9, 2009, Obama signed an executive order easing restrictions on the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research.
Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family.
Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan.
States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards.
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect.
Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed.
Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols.
Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic and reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions.
Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast. (For brother Normal, GO NAVY!)
Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions.
Closed offshore tax safe havens. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back.
Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings.
Increased pay and benefits for military personnel. Improved housing for military personnel.
Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals.
Increased student loans.
Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts.
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports.
Made more loans available to small businesses.
Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000.
Renewed loan guarantees for Israel.
Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters personally.
Held first Seder in White House
Dissect/flame away!
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:58 pm
Another FOCKS NEWS UPDATE:
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Glenn Beck and Sarah (I Quit) Palin are now reporting that Obama’s TRUE and REAL Birth Certificate has been found! It was found in Dubya’s wallet right next to his DUI tickets he still has in there (along with Daddy’s credit cards).
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:01 pm
AmVet… what was that “last” thing again?
Maybe Obama is REALLY a “secret” Jew…and THAT would make him not only our first African American President…but “GASP”… our first JEWISH one as well!!! Oy Veh!!!
(because I love how “they” say he’s Muslim…and in the next breath say he attended that “church” in Chicago)…. hehe
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:02 pm
BTW AmVet…GREAT list!
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:03 pm
“Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters personally.”
Just like Ron and Nancy did during that recession….
Normal
May 26th, 2010
1:03 pm
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
12:58 pm
Normal
May 26th, 2010
1:05 pm
I heard from Glen Beck, that Obama was really Black Irish…
TimOregon
May 26th, 2010
1:08 pm
They need to address Tier 5 with that “Bail Out” money. Unemployment is at 10% by the lowest numbers the government is putting out.
Join the voices of over 30,000 so far that has voiced their opinion to extend unemployment NOW.
http://www.change.org/petitions/view/the_99ers_need_a_tier_v_added_to_unemployment_benefits
this is the 5th largest action to hit Change.org and it will soon be the 4th. We need more people to speak out.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
1:08 pm
Barry is:
a) an Arab (hat tip Bud’s younger sister on youtube)
b) a Kenyan
c) a Moozlim
d) a Hebe
e) a fake Christian
f) an extra-terrestrial
Independent
May 26th, 2010
1:10 pm
Obama’s either an alien attracted to all of the tin foils hats or that silly face on Kool-aid packages.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
1:11 pm
Did the new Kentucky senator, Ru Paul really get mad at Obama for his chastising BP Oil for the spill?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:13 pm
“Increased student loans.”
One of my favs as many of these lackluster performers will find themselves neck deep in debt when they graduate AND bankruptcy doesnt wipe away this type of debt.
Can u say garnishment?
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:13 pm
Did Nancy get to keep the China?
I just want to know how many of MY tax dollars paid for Ronnie’s hair coloring!
@@
May 26th, 2010
1:14 pm
DANG! Saw your good news alert downstairs, and thought they’d successfully plugged the hole.
I think you’d have to go back to Elmendorf’s address before the National Association of Business, March 5th, before realizing that the methodology leaves much to be desired. Even he admits it.
Anyhoo….what you have with this new “estimate” is reheated hash from an old recipe.
But, if it makes you happy TO BELIEVE, then heat it up & eat it up.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
I personally take it with a grain of salt, but am curious if the numbers are reported as stated above. I don’t know for certain if they are or not, but I’m not going to poopoo them when I have no clue.
Fair enough. For what it’s worth, I seem to recall any “new jobs created this here month” stories usually had a heavy dose of “but these were just Census gigs” — and that’s fine, I agree we shouldn’t put too much stock in jobs that were going to be available in any case.
I think some of this is being deliberately conflated (not by you) with the CBO report findings, to deliberately dilute any good vibes some might feel from the report. All part of the game I guess.
Independent
May 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
Hillary kept the china, the silverware, and a stained dress.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters personally.
he had to pay to remove W’s wall of empty light beer cans?
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
Outhouse….Garnishment? NO…you can not. perhaps you need to READ up on it…Mehgan’s not a reporter or a journalist… she’s a pin up doll and fantasy for your party.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
Probably the same amount that pays for Obama hair coloring. Notice how it goes from Gray to Black instead of the other way round…
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
1:16 pm
Ya’ll have been happy with the recipe since 2000, why don’t you like it now?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:16 pm
DOH….you are correct Saul…the student loan debt is taken from their tax refunds.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:16 pm
I thought the stained dress went with Newt? I heard he gave it to his 3rd wife as a wedding present.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
Outhouse… perhaps you don’t READ… try again.
@@
May 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
Ooooo, FOIST!
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
1:20 pm
Meghan? As in McCain?
Why are the cool/normal chicks so loathed by the cons?
And the Adam Applers so revered?
http://gotliberty.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/meghan-mccain1.jpg
Independent
May 26th, 2010
1:20 pm
Looks like the Israeli PM will be in DC in June. Barry will probably host a state dinner at a rib-shack stand for him and have Rev. Wright give the blessing.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:21 pm
Outhouse…READ:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/us/politics/31obama.html
Though I guess from your posts…you never had to worry about any kind of student loans… (and I don’t mean that you were RICH)…. if I’m wrong…sorry you and your parents wasted so much money… I mean Talibangelical University up there in Lynchburg VA gives out scholarships right? All one has to do is attend there…the other “suckers” foot the bill…cool!
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:21 pm
AmVet…lol!
@@
May 26th, 2010
1:23 pm
Following up, the questioner asks for clarification: “If the stimulus bill did not do what it was originally forecast to do, then that would not have been detected by the subsequent analysis, right?” Elmendorf’s response? “That’s right. That’s right.”
To see ^^^ or not to see. That is the left’s dilemma.
Innocent Bystander
May 26th, 2010
1:24 pm
I know I’m late to the party, but I wanted to call Scout out on his misleading YouTube video comparing Bush and Obama meetings with Marines in the “Tomb of the Unknown” blog. I guess my Marine Corps had more integrity than yours because as all GOOD Marines know – Bush got the loud ovation because he just walked in like a cowboy. THe reason it was so quiet with Obama was because when he was introduced “Hail to the Chief” was playing – which requires all military people to stand at the position of attention.
Did you scream and yell at the POA Scout? It seems to me that the Marines received Obama well.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:25 pm
Independent…but me thought he was a Muzzlem. ? I guess that was all part of his plan…fake his own birth… go to a church for 20 years…have the Talibangelicals ridicule a “man of god”… and then STILL say he wuz a Muzzlem… So CONFUSING to try to keep up with the “truth” these days! All of this makes me thirsty… time to grab one of those BILLY BEERS my dad left for me.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:27 pm
Saul good,
Yes, it is quite challenging sometimes to keep up with the wingnut poutrages.
Independent
May 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
Careful of that Billy Beer, heard they either contain or will turn you into a parasite. Also contains 17% interest rates.
@@
May 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
Awfully quiet in here.
Oh well, I’ve got places to go, people to see, and things to do.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
Republicans are such children. They take the fed credit card and run up a massive debt and then turn around and complain that someone else has not paid it back for them.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
“…rib-shack stand for him and have Rev. Wright…”
Oooooooh.
Someone’s goin’ all ethnic erudite on us…
Bystander, he made a “retraction” this morning regarding his bald face lie about cadets not accepting his handshake. No apologies for the slander. No remorse for his repulsive and intentional misstatement. No shame whatsoever. And then proceeded to ramble on with more justifications for his prevarications.
At least one of the con brown nosers defended him…
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:31 pm
So paying $281,000 per job is a good deal?
We could have given those people $100,000 cash each for 280 billion and still had $507 billion left.
Does Jay have a calculator?
John Galt Jr.
May 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
Yea, right. ROFLMAO. JUst a few weeks ago Jay was bragging on Obamas influence on the stock market. Have you seen the numbers latley?
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
So paying $281,000 per job is a good deal?
A third of the stimulus was for tax cuts.
Also, last I checked, funding doesn’t go solely to salaries.
And you know where you can shove your calculator.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
We should have given all that stimulus money to the DoD and let them hire more million dollar men and 3/4 million dollar women instead of wasting it on jobs where the folks don’t even get to carry a gun or a hand grenade or anything that goes boom!
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:35 pm
Mike…how much did it cost us “per person” to have each and every military personal in Iraq since 2003? Want to ADD it up? WHO started it? WHO paid for it? Why WE did of course…care of those talibangelicals who cast their votes (you know the ones…the one’s with the yellow magnetic ribbons on their SUV’s saying “support our troops”)…
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
1:37 pm
AmVet-
I would have to vote E, even though he is a converted Muslim which makes him a heretic who should be stoned to death.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:39 pm
“instead of wasting it on jobs where the folks don’t even get to carry a gun or a hand grenade or anything that goes boom!”
Taxpayer,
That made me have to open a new bottle of keyboard/monitor/wall/cat cleaner.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:39 pm
I chose not to attend college. HS was enough of a pain in the behind.
A friend of mine loaned me their college diploma, I chose my profession and filled in the blanks.
Im “certified” as a Vetrinary EMT.
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:39 pm
“Mike…how much did it cost us “per person” to have each and every military personal in Iraq since 2003? ”
LOL. Nobody is talking about Iraq. I know that mindless partisans like yourself are incapable of moving past irrelevant talking points, but try to stretch yourself and actually discuss the subject at hand for once.
I don’t think you can. All of your empty and off-topic rhetoric is clearly gleaned from bumper stickers.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
1:39 pm
Uh, oh. I sense the phrase “intolerant liberals” and “ad hominem attack” are in the immediate future.
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:40 pm
sfb –
“A third of the stimulus was for tax cuts.”
And your point is?
“Also, last I checked, funding doesn’t go solely to salaries.”
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Jay is crowing that the result of the $787 billion is 2.8 million jobs. What other benefits can you point to?
“And you know where you can shove your calculator.”
More liberal “tolerance” and “intellect”. LOL
Independent
May 26th, 2010
1:41 pm
Saul, you seem to share alot of similar traits with Sarah Palin.
She resigned from office during a battle, Saul committed suicide during a battle.
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:41 pm
Kamchak –
Yeah, and I see a lot of mindless partisans who are incapable of having a discussion based on facts. You are just one of the crowd
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:42 pm
Mike…”average” cost per person with “boots on the ground” in Iraq per year? Nearly $400,000.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2008/12/31/cost-for-a-single-soldier-to-fight-in-iraq-or-afghanistan-is-about-775000-per-year/
Some say it’s nearly 3/4 of a million…the $400,000 is the LEAST per soldier.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:42 pm
Im also have received my “Cobblers” license.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:42 pm
Kamchak,
One minute in the future.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
1:43 pm
More liberal “tolerance”
I have never once claimed to find your willful stupidity tolerable.
And Jay isn’t “crowing” anything, he’s giving us a report to read. Which, I guarantee, you haven’t bothered to do.
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:44 pm
Saul –
Are you capable of discussing the subject that Jay is discussing? Apparently not.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
1:44 pm
JKL2, you may be right. Fake Christian. Gawd knows there is a WHOLE lot of that going around this country these days.
BTW, did you see where I “clarified” your ROTC/UCMJ post?
TaxPayer, from the 60s…
Join The Army, visit exotic places, meet strange people, then kill them.
OK, gotta go and help pay for the cleanup. I’ll check in later, gators…
mike
May 26th, 2010
1:46 pm
Hmm. OK so Saul wants to talk about Iraq, SFB wants to froth and my other admirers are obsessing over me.
Yawn. Enjoy spending the rest of the day ranting and hating people. LOL
Scooter (the Original)
May 26th, 2010
1:46 pm
I’ll bet the CBO is confusing jobs with work. The ARRA created contracted work, not self sustaining jobs. But, those who long for centralized control, out of fear of minimally regulated free markets, will never see it that way. Until it is too late of course.
JKL2
May 26th, 2010
1:47 pm
stands- A third of the stimulus was for tax cuts
So we had to borrow money to pay for money people didn’t give the government? Sounds like spending $1T on healthcare so we can save $100B.
Can Obama get my wife a job? I think she would make an excellent accountant for him.
md
May 26th, 2010
1:48 pm
What students are not told about the new student loans is that they are being skimmed by uncle sugar. Federal funds rate is what – .25%??? and student loans are at 6-7%??
Basically “nationalized” the student loan industry and the poor dumb students don’t even know where their money is going.
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:49 pm
Independent… unlike Sarah…I didn’t have to attend 4 colleges over 5 years to get my degree…I did it in 4 years and was awarded 2 degrees….i didn’t keep “giving up and quitting” when things got rough… same goes for being “govna” of a state that has 600,000… bc that ‘libural media” was making it so HARD for her to govern… ya…and Obama’s not in the news 100X per day getting sh$t blasted by the non-journalists… I don’t see HIM giving up because the “press”…you know the MSM (which includes #1 rated Fox News) gives him a tough time. Oh ya…she’s a tough tough cookie alright…at least hiding on FB and twitter she is… when’s the last time she let a NY Times reporter interview her?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:50 pm
OH and Peadawg if you should return from earlier –
RE: the stimulus and the inevitable (catchy title – I’ll have to remember that) and teachers and all that—
But I digress
Think of it this way – your arm has just been cut off because you were drunk and stuck it in a wood chipper. Kayso, you find a towel (stimulus) by the wood chipper to throw on your arm while you run find a belt for a tourniquet (future after stimulus). Make sense?
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:51 pm
md…. where is the money going for those SOCIALIST things you’ll refuse? You know…like SOCIAL Security and Medicare (or Medicaid)? I KNOW you’ll GLADLY refuse them.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:51 pm
The most important thing, with this adminstration, is for us ALL to remember that “sometimes 1 + 1 can equal 3.”
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
1:52 pm
Hmm. OK so Saul wants to talk about Iraq, SFB wants to froth and my other
admirersamused bloggers areobsessing overlaughing at me.fyt
Saul Good
May 26th, 2010
1:52 pm
outs for a bit… enjoy your rants and raves…been fun amerikan taliban…. god bless and ALLAH Loves ALL of you!
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
1:53 pm
Obama has tossed this economy into the woodchipper…arms, legs and all.
Mick
May 26th, 2010
1:55 pm
ogk@1:53
That’s OK because the body was a corpse after bush got done with it…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:56 pm
Outhouse,
Get real. The economy is picking up slowly but surely – your just pissed because things are working.
Larry
May 26th, 2010
1:57 pm
How about the $65,000,000,000 that was counted as “savings” in Medicare that are now being added back to this year’s deficit in the latest UI bill?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
1:58 pm
Greece really is screwed, now they’ve got Biblical plagues and stuff:
Flood of frogs shuts down major Greek highway
http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/flood-of-frogs-shuts-535705.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
Where's My Party?
May 26th, 2010
2:00 pm
“Why don’t you wingnuts go whine at a rich CEO for not hiring people. They are the root of the problem”
Oh my…..I needed a good laugh this afternoon. Holy crap that’s funny.
commoncents
May 26th, 2010
2:01 pm
How many of those jobs created were 1 time census jobs? I recall a reading this morning from census workers who say they were hired and fired up to 4 times. Wow! 1 person is the recipient of 4 newly created jobs!!!
In other news, when can we actually listen to the CBO without doubting their numbers? Remember, they are giving estimates of future predictions based on some lame model that was created from (probably) a small sample of people who may or may not reflect the majority. They’d have better luck guessing weight at the fair than predicting whether the stimulus worked and what the outcomes are.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
2:03 pm
I think Sister Sarah’s popularity outside the deep south is waning. She couldn’t even get her choice of a “Real American” elected in conservative Idaho. Teatard media darling? Maybe, but it would appear as if the rank and file don’t see the lack of substance, and willful ignorance of anything science as positive traits…
Too bad, I was hoping for Palin/Newt in 2012.
commoncents
May 26th, 2010
2:03 pm
Bosch – You’re assuming the economy wouldn’t have recovered without it.
Leave It to Woodchucks
May 26th, 2010
2:04 pm
Wally: Hey, Eddie, have you seen the beav?
Eddie: No, I’ve been under the bleachers shooting SQUIRRELS!
Leave It to Woodchucks
May 26th, 2010
2:08 pm
Woodchuck — Origin: alcoholics who planned to build their own homes but never got past the basement where they live out the rest of their lives.
“A bunch of woodchucks live there.”
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
2:09 pm
commoncents,
Who knows? Maybe – my crystal ball is broke – but I certainly don’t think it would have turned the corner so quickly.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
2:12 pm
“Obama’s top intelligence adviser resigns” I guess he couldnt make Obama pass as intellegent.
Junk Science or Lies? | Political Class Dismissed
May 26th, 2010
2:15 pm
[...] Junk Science or Lies? Written by Michael Rebmann on May 26, 2010 – 2:15 pm – The big news today is that The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reports that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act …. [...]
Big D
May 26th, 2010
2:19 pm
Jay, is this the same CBO that held back the REAL cost of HCR until after it was voted on…RIGHT the checks in the mail and I won’t…you know the rest.( very loud laughing). If you don’t see just how pitiful this gang of do nothing IDIOTS are by now you are beyond help.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
2:26 pm
How does this gang comparee with the last gang of do nothing IDIOTS?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
2:28 pm
Whether one bangs the drum loudly or softly one still get the same sound.
Union
May 26th, 2010
2:42 pm
“Most employees caught stealing from a company would expect to be fired, forced to return what they took or worse. But a group of government employees accused of going on a massive shopping spree with taxpayer money have yet to face any disciplinary action.
During an 18-month period while the Federal Protective Service was moved from the General Services Administration to the Department of Homeland Security, employees spent thousands of government dollars on everything from clothing and flat-screen TVs to gym memberships and tuition payments, according to the General Services Administration inspector general’s office.
But two referrals to federal prosecutors have resulted in no criminal charges in the case, The Washington Times reported Monday.”
aww.. gotta love those democrats..
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
2:45 pm
The Washington Times reported Monday.
There’s your sign.
SouthGaDawg
May 26th, 2010
2:55 pm
Jay,
You can spin this all you want, but you know, and so does everyone else, that the Stimulus is not what it was sold to be.
Remember how unemployment wouldn’t get over 8% if we passed it? Well here it is over a year later and its still at 10%.
How do you explain that one away?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
May 26th, 2010
2:55 pm
Sure, just like the census worker who was hired and let go FOUR times so he would count as FOUR jobs created. Or the liberal police chiefs who met at the White House on AZ immigration law. blah, blah, blah.
Just more of the same from the left. The CBO is a JOKE!
Big D
May 26th, 2010
2:55 pm
Just in case you have not figured it our Barry “O” is the Washington version of Tommy Flanagan ( John Lovitz SNL). This man is the saddest of liars…if he says it it immediately becomes the truth ( in his mind) and goes about Talking…Talking and Talking and that is all this moron can do. Presidents and executives formulate plans and go about having them implemented, not this joker, he goes on talking about why somebody else should do it or he is forming some kind of silly commission. This is the foolish leading fools…please everybody vote the Democrats out in November and let’s neuter this “OBAMANATION”.
md
May 26th, 2010
2:56 pm
“md…. where is the money going for those SOCIALIST things you’ll refuse? You know…like SOCIAL Security and Medicare (or Medicaid)? I KNOW you’ll GLADLY refuse them.”
Last I checked, I’m still paying for them – have been for many years.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
May 26th, 2010
2:57 pm
Kamchak – What the Washington times made up the story? I don’t think so. If so, why aren’t the libs suing for slander?
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
2:57 pm
Remember how unemployment wouldn’t get over 8% if we passed it?
Jeez, not this again.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/09/eric-cantor/Cantor-and-other-republicans-say-obama-promised-s/
Big D
May 26th, 2010
3:00 pm
One more thing if he’s not an IDIOT and is being”transparent” and the media is NOT biased, why the hell are you JAY not screaming bloody murder that he has not had the guts to do a press conference in 11 months, if this was Bush it would be on your blog every day.
Zedd
May 26th, 2010
3:01 pm
I wonder if the CBO used the same math the WH uses:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/two_more_census_workers_blow_the_OqY80N3DBTvL17VmxKKR0O
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:02 pm
Whew! It’s gettin’ too hot outside to do any more in the garden. Is it as hot in here. Looks kinda quiet.
Union
May 26th, 2010
3:05 pm
It was the CBO that was making all those projections about unemployment.. etc.. the same group that brought us the figures that said the stimulus is working even though unemployment is higher than expected.. So.. you gotta trust the CBO.. right?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:05 pm
Hi Taxpayer – I’m so bored I’m watching the live feed of the top kill on CNN.
Big D
May 26th, 2010
3:06 pm
Rightwing Troll, Not much better…especially the last two years of Bush.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:07 pm
Dang! Is there a website where you can dub over Obama’s voice in whatever speech of your choice and make him say what you want to hear or something. That’d be about the only way to splain some of these Republican’s “memories” of what he done gone and promised them.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:07 pm
Taxpayer,
It’s kind of cool video – but I have no idea what I’m looking at, so I thought I’d act like a wingnut and analyze it and then come back here and complain about how nothing’s getting done – simply based on my limited knowledge of what I think I’m seeing. Ya’ know – it’ll be fun!
Scooter
May 26th, 2010
3:08 pm
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:02 pm
Just the usual one side calling the other idiots and vise versa!
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
3:08 pm
What the Washington times made up the story?
Isn’t that the same Washington Times founded by cult leader Sun Myung Moon who repeatedly refers to himself as The Messiah?”
For all the hay that the right makes about Obama=Messiah, for you to cite a rag created by a man that has actually referred himself as such is laughable.
David
May 26th, 2010
3:08 pm
Not to poke fun at a sad situation, but if there were only one unemployed person left in the entire country, to that person the jobless rate would still be too high.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:08 pm
Hey Bosch. I just came in from my garden work. I need something relaxing while I cool off. Top Kill sounds like fun.
Big D
May 26th, 2010
3:11 pm
T.P. ,
Don’t have too…there are plenty of real ones that have him saying exactly what we have said..No BS.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:12 pm
Top Kill sounds like fun.
Sounds like my approach to gardening.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:13 pm
Taxpayer,
Well, I don’t think too much is happening right now – but then again, I can’t even tell what it is I’m looking at.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:14 pm
sfd and Taxpayer,
Go to cnn.com and look at the live feed – what the hell is that thing? Is that like the thing they are going to use to fix it? And it’s just on it’s way to the hole? Good God, am I really this bored?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
They must not have been hoping for very much, just sayin….
Like I was sayin….
Sestak White House scandal called ‘impeachable offense’
‘It’s Valerie Plame, only bigger, a high crime and misdemeanor’
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Bush did it won’t save you on this one, hahaha.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
They changed the view or moved in a large pc of equipment, it was showing the pipe spewing about an hour ago…
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
I was hoping top kill was a video game where you fired chunks of tires and mud and stuff at BP executives every time their heads popped up out of a drilled well hole.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
Off Topic post #1:
While it’d be more satisfying to see Pretend Pimp in stir for a few months, I suppose I’m ok with him drawing three years’ probation.
To be honest, I had managed to avoid hearing about Andrew Breitbart’s crazy theories about how O’Keefe got busted in the first place. From MMA:
O’Keefe and company quickly admitted to the scheme. But that didn’t stop Breitbart from concocting all sorts of loopy talking points and half-baked defenses for O’Keefe, who was being paid by Breitbart at the time of his New Orleans arrest. (Yes, Breitbart was paying O’Keefe a salary, but Breitbart claims he had no idea what his employee was doing at the time.)
One of the more comical claims that Breitbart made during his desperate attempts at spin control last winter was to attack New Orleans law enforcement. as well as the Dept. of Justice and even Attorney General Eric Holder, and claim there were all in a wide-ranging conspiracy to frame O’Keefe. (Because he’s just that important!)
oy.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
3:18 pm
Andy, I’m guessing you have one helluva collection of these;
http://tinyurl.com/35ux74n
(Just sayin’)
Tell me the truth, did some of you right wing “comedians” go to the Dennis Miller School for the Spectacularly Unfunny?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fns5lOisXco
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
3:19 pm
Glad it brings a moment of joy into what is otherwise a very sad life…
Who’ll get thrown under the bus? Who will be Obama’s Scooter Libby?
Whoever it is they shouldn’t be too concerned they’ll just get a commutation or a pardon.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:20 pm
oh noes Andy has found a wingnut deli page that says Obama is doomed!
heh heh heh.
DebbieDoRight
May 26th, 2010
3:20 pm
Late to the fray but…..
mike: LOL. Nobody is talking about Iraq. I know that mindless partisans like yourself are incapable of moving past irrelevant talking points, but try to stretch yourself and actually discuss the subject at hand for once. I don’t think you can. All of your empty and off-topic rhetoric is clearly gleaned from bumper stickers.
All the talking points came from history books, (that haven’t been changed by Texas yet), news reports and diffrent news outlets. That’s one of the better parts about being in this century, instant access to information.
md
May 26th, 2010
3:22 pm
sfd – I see you have given up on “stay on topic” and decided to “join the crowd”.
Thogwummpy
May 26th, 2010
3:25 pm
Bookman (the man has probably never worked a day in a competitive field nor taken courses in Economics), curiously omits that the bulk of hiring has been in the public sector. What’s going to happen Jay-Bo when all those Census workers are no longer needed? Hmmmmm…. Indeed, some of the indexes are turning up slowly. But as an actual businessman who works with a variety of industries nationwide, the slight bump is attributable to pent-up demand to replace aged/shredded products, as well as some inventory re-stock. Moreover, with the $8k tax credit expired, home buying will fade and with it, the associated spending to feather one’s nest.
Folks, Bookman likes to cherry pick, and he really doesn’t understand market principals. For example, he’s part of that thick-skulled ilk that tells you that the Bush tax cuts caused deficits. Yet, for THAT to be true, then the cuts caused tax revenue short falls. However, the same CBO he waves in your face today, told you that from 2002-2007, those years produced record HIGH flows of tax revenue!!! Look, get your economic lessons from reading a business journal. Bookman’s grasp of the subject is somewhere on a kindergarten level.
md
May 26th, 2010
3:25 pm
“That’s one of the better parts about being in this century, instant access to information.”
Not too sure that’s a good thing. Folks seem to have a tendency to use their computers for quick stories but shy away from doing much digging. Digging tends to stop as soon as a “side” is supported.
Please Clarify Jay
May 26th, 2010
3:26 pm
Can you please provide more detail Jay, as to how many of those jobs are government jobs versus private sector jobs. My guess is that the government sector has MANY more new jobs than the private sector. This does not translate into real econimic growth.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:26 pm
md @ 3.22, I did clearly ID my post as off topic. I have one more new off-topic post coming to me, don’t I, per Jay’s rules?
And seriously, what more is there to say about the CBO report? Nice cover? They didn’t really need a blank page after the ToC on that PDF file?
Heck, did anyone besides me actually open the thing and at least skim it?
Union
May 26th, 2010
3:27 pm
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:17 pm
I was hoping top kill was a video game where you fired chunks of tires and mud and stuff at BP executives every time their heads popped up out of a drilled well hole.
Why are you mad at the execs? it wasn’t one of them at the controls at the time of the failure.. thats like blaming obama for the accident..
Jefferson
May 26th, 2010
3:28 pm
Raise taxes on the weathy and unemployment will decline.
md
May 26th, 2010
3:29 pm
“md @ 3.22, I did clearly ID my post as off topic. I have one more new off-topic post coming to me, don’t I, per Jay’s rules?”
You certainly do. Just pointing out the difference between now and the other day.
Sarah Palin
May 26th, 2010
3:31 pm
I shoot ilk from my helicopter.
md
May 26th, 2010
3:32 pm
As for Barrygate – seems Sestak has painted himself into a corner – he either alters his story and looks bad doing it or he comes clean in a “he said she said”. The sharks of DC smell blood in the water.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:34 pm
Just pointing out the difference between now and the other day.
Dude. Are you by any chance talking about how I complained about the guys who OPEN with an off-topic post and go from there?
I see no inconsistency whatsoever. Topics do get stale. It’s been three hours, 300+ comments; I wasn’t griping about thread drift in circumstances like that.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
3:37 pm
Barry needs to come clean regarding all this Sestak cover-up. He and his co-conspirators…
Union
May 26th, 2010
3:37 pm
sfd.. you are OFF topic talking about being “off topic”..
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:39 pm
you are OFF topic talking about being “off topic”..
nuh-uh! it doesn’t count if you reply to another guy’s off-topic post! so there!
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
3:40 pm
Anyways, might be back later, otherwise, be excellent to one another. Try not to top-kill anything while I’m away.
md
May 26th, 2010
3:43 pm
“Dude. Are you by any chance talking about how I complained about the guys who OPEN with an off-topic post and go from there?”
Dude. Does it matter where an off-topic is posted? Who cares if it’s the first or the last?
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:45 pm
Union,
I’m not mad at the executives. I just don’t think they did their jobs. Perhaps they should have put more emphasis on safety and leak prevention than on meeting deadlines or coming in on a certain budget or paying off regulators and legislators or whatever they did. As far as I’m concerned, the attitude of their workforce is a direct reflection of the attitude of the leadership.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
3:45 pm
Hang onto that Sestak is in trouble tripe.
I ( in not very going out on a limb fashion) predict that he is gonna decimate whatever poor schmuck runs against him…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:46 pm
I counted five blank pages in the report – a complete waste of taxpayer money – and that cover – UGH – no color! Completely boring.
Whine
May 26th, 2010
3:49 pm
There are some whiny people on here.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
3:50 pm
Here is some more info on their plans to plug the leak.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
3:54 pm
Taxpayer,
So, is that thing pumping the mud into the pipe?
DebbieDoRight
May 26th, 2010
3:59 pm
My guess is that the government sector has MANY more new jobs than the private sector. This does not translate into real econimic growth.
Isn’t a job, a job, a job? Government jobs seem to have more security and last longer than “private sector” jobs anyway. The people who work for the government hardly ever get laid off if the CEO’s bonus was too big to sustain the rest of the company…….
md
May 26th, 2010
3:59 pm
“Hang onto that Sestak is in trouble tripe.
I ( in not very going out on a limb fashion) predict that he is gonna decimate whatever poor schmuck runs against him…”
Depends on how ugly it gets (or doesn’t get).
md
May 26th, 2010
4:01 pm
“Isn’t a job, a job, a job?”
Deb – where does the money come from to sustain the gov’t?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:06 pm
Okay, okay, okay, okay – CNN has called in Bill Nye the Science Guy to explain the top kill? What?
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
4:07 pm
Bosch,
I cannot tell what the live feed is showing.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
4:08 pm
This damn top kill had better work.
If it doesn’t, its time to round up a bunch of BPers, MMS boys and assorted neo-cons and chop them up into just the right consistency. And then using massive downward pressure use them to plug the end of that pipe.
The ultimate junk shot…
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
4:08 pm
Deb – where does the money come from to sustain the gov’t?
China.
Another episode of one-word answers to simple questions.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:11 pm
Kamchak,
Good one.
And in more important news: Brian Ching got cut from the WC team! That surprises me.
Department of Homeland Job Security
May 26th, 2010
4:12 pm
We are here to help.
Listen to the smart and patriotic Debbie Do Right. A government job is better and more satisfying.
DO NOT LISTEN to Ron Paul.
The problem is that citizens are thinking to much for themselves. Why trouble yourself?
We are paid to fix your problems. Leave the worrying to professionals. Of course our expertise comes with a price. These times call for patriotic sacrifices. As per the brilliant Jay Bookman, your taxes are at an all time low. It will be necessary to increase them for the collective good.
Pay no attention to naysayers. We have ways to remedy this problem.
Remember, we are here to help. And with your sacrifice, we will do this.
uhoh
May 26th, 2010
4:17 pm
Sure, they’ve help create some (Govt/Union) jobs. Ask Greece how that works for them?
JB
Jason T
May 26th, 2010
4:27 pm
One only has to look at the CBO’s track record. Hilarious.
Please Clarify Jay
May 26th, 2010
4:27 pm
Deb, you are clearly misinformed. Government jobs last longer most of time because the government does not have to make a profit. This is because they have the authority to seize (tax) and print money. When you have an endless supply of cash, why would the jobs ever go away?? This is a key difference between public and private sector jobs. The fact that private businesses must make a profit to survive is what fuels the economy. I hope you are getting this Deb….
jt
May 26th, 2010
4:32 pm
Department of Homeland Job Security -
How preposterous. Even if you are joking, its pretty funny.
In case you are not, I got something for your mooching Azzzzzz. And AmVet would appreciate this too. Whoever views this, TAKE YOUR HAT OFF, if wearing one.
http://www.picsearch.com/imageDetail.cgi?id=1-zEjhUPz–9wTFk1uGTZILL2nHr-zNlU6GGfzuqFwU&width=1407&start=145&q=Ronald%20Reagan
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:33 pm
“Government jobs last longer most of time because the government does not have to make a profit. This is because they have the authority to seize (tax) and print money. When you have an endless supply of cash, why would the jobs ever go away??”
OMG, I’ve fallen into that “stoopid is normal” rabbit hole again.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
4:35 pm
Bosch
Brian Ching? Hadn’t heard that yet. Injury related? Gonna hafta look that up.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:36 pm
Update on top kill:
Nothing has changed….still pumping…..more updates to follow………carry on.
Please Clarify Jay
May 26th, 2010
4:37 pm
Bosch…please come out of your rabbit hole and expand on your thought….please, enlighten us all.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:37 pm
Kamchak,
Here ya’ go:
http://worldcup.si.com/2010/05/26/findley-makes-world-cup-team-ching-cut/
Apparently it was a speed related issue.
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
4:39 pm
DDR, md…
I’m not sure Guttenberg was a good idea, myself. My own kids claim I belong in a medieval scriptorum with a quill and parchment!
300,000 teachers on the breadline? That stiumulus is shore workin real good…
Sestek and Barrygate…so? What else in new?
BP…well, let’s just hope this works…out to lunch today with some co-workers and one says she would have tar-ball gumbo…good thing that lunch was in Georgia and not Arizona though or I might not be here tonight…well, on second thought, that’s a matter of opinion some would say…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:40 pm
Please Clarify Jay,
Well, for one thing — it’s a pretty known fact that government jobs don’t produce a profit. I mean that’s one for the duh – so therefore to attempt at making that the cause for people staying in their govt. position is pure nonsense.
“This is because they have the authority to seize (tax) and print money. When you have an endless supply of cash, why would the jobs ever go away??””
And that statement just doesn’t even begin to make any sense whatsoever….and ever. Again, you are attempting to force a cause and effect relationship on two totally irrelevant variables.
Please Clarify Jay
May 26th, 2010
4:47 pm
Bosch – FYI. Private sector jobs are lost (much of the time) due to an inability to afford to pay that person any more…when I say pay, I mean the act of giving someone cash for their time. In governement, the cash supply is endless, there is no real or enforeceable budget that that could get blown which could lead to job cuts…just a question for you, the US is +/- $13T in the red, correct? Why is Congress asking for another $100B?? Answer: b/c it can print and seize money, i.e. no budget. If any private company ran its business like the Federal governement runs this economy, that private company would be bankrupt. Please respond with specifics Bosch, not a bumch of hollow words….
Atlas Shrugging
May 26th, 2010
4:48 pm
From Singapore…Obozo, the commander-in thief, master of the obomonation, lord of the under achieving parasites, is headed down below 40%. If it weren’t for minorities and far left liberals he would already be at 30% or below.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:49 pm
Please Claify Jay,
If “the guvmint” and all the “guvmint” jobs were all from one place I’d say you might, just might have a point – but considering there are local, state, and fed “guvmint” jobs that are by your logic paid for out of the same kitty – that makes no sense.
And in case you’ve been living under a rock for a while and haven’t read the news – government jobs are getting slashed too.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
4:50 pm
Bosch
Too much inexperience up front. Bradly made a mistake dropping Ching for three that have little international experience. Brian’s a big target for set pieces around the box. If Bradley doesn’t get us past group stage, it’s time for a change.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
4:52 pm
Yes, the government has the right to “seize” your money.
The same way they have the right to seize your sorry ass when you run afoul of John Law. In theory any way, but various exclusions (like for the wealthy and men who run multi-nationals) apply…
jt, who could have known back in the gawdawful 80s (worst decade of the last century?) that the often horrific, criminal and boobified Ronnie would otherwise look pretty good compared to what was to follow him in the GOP?
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
4:52 pm
Are there any reports yet that the national debt has been reduced? We need a PLUG on that to stop the trillions spilling over & over & over.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:53 pm
Kamchak,
“Bradly made a mistake dropping Ching for three that have little international experience. ”
That was my thinking too. And plus, dang, I like Ching!
Please Clarify Jay
May 26th, 2010
4:53 pm
Bosch – I’m talking Federal jobs…not state and local. The Federal level is where the hiring is taking place. Have a look at the unemployment rate in D.C. vs the rest of the US….this isn’t a coincidence Bubba…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:54 pm
Holy crap! I just clicked back on the camera view and they’ve either changed views to show the leak or the damn thing exploded. I hope it’s the former.
Who
May 26th, 2010
4:57 pm
Bosch, is your first name Terry. I think I know who you are.
Jimmy62
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
Almost all the jobs are in government. Just what the people against the stimulus really wanted, bigger government.
I know the Tea Party arguments are too sophisticated for you to understand, but surely you at least get that we’re against bigger government, and the stimulus made government bigger, at the expense of the private sector, which is the actual driving force of our economy.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
Tar ball gumbo; yummy!
josef, can I have mine with a little gumbo file please?
Oil? What oil? I can’t see any oil? Can you see any oil, Andy?
London, England (CNN) — Britain has a total nuclear arsenal of fewer than 225 weapons, with 160 currently operational, Foreign Secretary William Hague said Wednesday.
The governor of Texas, Rick Perry responded by calling them Limey wimps who have less than we do!
Pogo
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
Basically all stimulus jobs are government jobs therefore they really don’t count. The only jobs that matter are private sector jobs that pay for government spending and that pay for the stimulus jobs. And in the private sector, the un-employment numbers are nearer to 15-20%. Jay’s whole little smoke and mirrors game here is a lie.
Disgusted
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
I hope it’s the former.
I’m seeing the “mud” going in on the right side and the oil continuing to gush.
ncgreybr
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
Saul: How dare you? Ronnie was prematurely red!
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
4:59 pm
Please Clarify Jay,
“I’m talking Federal jobs”
Well, why didn’t you say that to begin with?
“The Federal level is where the hiring is taking place.”
Well good. Now families can pay their rent and feed their families.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
5:00 pm
“Bosch, is your first name Terry”
No.
Amazing
May 26th, 2010
5:01 pm
Bosch – you’re a liberal Kook.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
5:02 pm
Agreed, unemployment is egregious. And underemployment has been a dirty little (massive) secret for 10 years or more.
One can only ponder if unemployment might not be 20- 25% under a McCain/Palin administration by now.
The War on the Middle Class has reached maturity…
Amazing
May 26th, 2010
5:02 pm
AmVet – so are you.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
5:03 pm
Disgusted,
I think the pressure has got to even out – it’s gonna take a couple days.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Amazing,
Maybe, but I like it when people can feed their families and pay their rent – if that makes me a liberal Kook then so be it.
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
5:03 pm
Bosch,
Was it Ching, the CBO, the oil well or your head that exploded? You do jump around. I once had a rabbit…oh nevermind….
Amazing
May 26th, 2010
5:04 pm
Bosch – Maybe, but I like it when people can feed their families and pay their rent – if that makes me a liberal Kook then so be it.
Even at the tax payers expense? Good stuff. Guess you haven’t heard of a country called Greece? Get with it buddy.
Amazing
May 26th, 2010
5:06 pm
With comments like that…you make me feel all warm an fuzzy….perhaps you should ad the letters S and T to your handle. That way, you could be St. Bosch….
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
5:06 pm
Poor mystery meat…
As Dean Wormer said, “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
5:07 pm
Oh Dusty, Dusty, you know you love me.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Amazing,
We all benefit from tax money — You gonna be the one to make the cuts? Good luck with that.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
5:07 pm
Amazing – You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait ’til Bosch get cranked up talking about cruising with a handsome young man in a really cool light blue mini-van.
Amazing
May 26th, 2010
5:08 pm
Bosch – benefit yes, live on, no. Again, you’re missing the mark….
ncgreybr
May 26th, 2010
5:09 pm
Can you imagine, for a minute, if the CBO had come out with the exact OPPOSITE apprasial? The Republicans would be saying how accurate they are and the Dems would be saying how innacurate they are….
You can read anything into anything…..
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:10 pm
BTW
Has anybody checked to see how much of BP is owned by Queen Bessie the Frump?
Normal
May 26th, 2010
5:14 pm
HEY! NO FAIR!! I want to be called a liberal kook, too!
Normal
May 26th, 2010
5:16 pm
I had a rabbitt once, too…but he got stewed, sigh…
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
5:18 pm
Bsoch,
Well, now you have been made a saint!! A saint! I did not think that was possible with an Episcopalian!!
But I do love you anyway, ’specially since the tree fell right smack on you. Then you started hollering SQUIRREL!! But it’s OK. Yes! Now be nice. And no profanity! Remember. U R a saint!!
md
May 26th, 2010
5:18 pm
“The fact that private businesses must make a profit to survive is what fuels the economy.”
They must also make enough profit to carry the mooching gov’t. What some folks here don’t seem to understand is that the more companies don’t make a profit, the more in the red the gov’t gets. Creating gov’t jobs is a short term boost and must eventually be paid for through taxes.
And ask CA why they are laying off thousands of workers – because their gov’t got too big.
jt
May 26th, 2010
5:18 pm
AmVet———–
jt, who could have known back in the gawdawful 80s (worst decade of the last century?) that the often horrific, criminal and boobified Ronnie would otherwise look pretty good compared to what was to follow him in the GOP?
Sir Ronnie was too decent for criminal, but the rest may be true.
Sad but true.
Normal
May 26th, 2010
5:19 pm
BTW, I want to brag to the night crew. My 7 year old grandson, got the Presidents award for academic excellence, a math award and a advanced reading award! The little dude is deeply into my pocketbook now.
Pogo
May 26th, 2010
5:19 pm
J62, don’t waste your time with these people on arguments about the private sector and such. They believe what they believe and they don’t care about reality and they don’t care about what it is doing to the country. To them, ideology is king. La-la land is real to them.
Nacho Daddy
May 26th, 2010
5:20 pm
…has anyone seen my slippers?
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josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:25 pm
Norm–
Congrats to him…also St, Elsewhere…
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
5:26 pm
Normal,
You evil guy, eating your rabbit. I carried my rabbit to Girl Scout camp and he learned how to swim. Made his tail a little droopy. He did not earn a swimmers badge because he did the dog paddle. Life is not fair, is it?
Kamchak
May 26th, 2010
5:26 pm
To them, ideology is king.
Yeah, because Democrats are the ones that did the ten point purity pledge thing.
jt
May 26th, 2010
5:27 pm
Ya think Cheney and company were bad. DO NOT get in the way of a democrat’s war industry stock portfolio. We DO NOT have the need to know.
And just GET OVER any promises Obama made.
“The Obama administration’s crackdown on leaks to the press has snared a high-profile conviction of an FBI linguist, who was sentenced to 20 months in prison Monday after pleading guilty to giving classified information to a blogger.
The sentence for Shamai Leibowitz is likely to become the longest ever served by a government employee accused of passing national security secrets to a member of the media. His case represents only the third known conviction in U.S. history for a government official or contractor providing classified information to the press.
“If Thomas Drake is convicted and sentenced to jail, this will be the first president to send two leakers to prison in his term in office. That’s never happened before,” said Schoenfeld, author of the book “Necessary Secrets.” “You wouldn’t have expected the Holder Justice Department to be particularly hawkish in these matters.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37721_Page2.html#ixzz0p4aQVCbN
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:27 pm
AmVet
“As Dean Wormer said, “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.””
But on the other hand, not a bad way to go into old age!
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:28 pm
Dusty–
So, yours is the rabbit that attacked Jimmy Carter?
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:31 pm
jt
Shamai Leibowitz, eh…hmmm…there’re a couple of posters hereabouts who must be, well, smacking their lips with glee,,,
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
5:33 pm
jt, technically Ronnie wasn’t I guess. He just allowed one to operate unimpeded out the White House basement!
And then feigned ignorance.
Sheesh…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
5:37 pm
“You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait ’til Bosch get cranked up talking about cruising with a handsome young man in a really cool light blue mini-van.”
That really tore up Pennsylvanian, didn’t it? What people get obsessed with is beyond me. But to each his own.
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Amazing,
“benefit yes, live on, no. Again, you’re missing the mark…”
Nah, I’m not missing the mark – I know what your point is, but that’s kind of the crux of the problem – what to cut? I mean what politician wants to break the news to federal employees that their jobs are getting cut? And as a society, most of those jobs have been deemed as important – so we need to really decide what we want and what we don’t and what we dont’ want to pay for. It’s a little more complicated than saying the government is just too damn big.
“that the more companies don’t make a profit, the more in the red the gov’t gets. Creating gov’t jobs is a short term boost and must eventually be paid for through taxes.”
And I certainly do not disagree with that.
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And congrats Normal!
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
5:37 pm
jnix, LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2G-DKOGFbc
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
5:40 pm
Normal, MANY congrats on the little one!
To the extent you get a say, make sure he grows up to be a good one….(I know you will)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFl0nlHaWa4
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
5:41 pm
Oops! Sorry Dusty – I let a “bad” word slip – I guess I’m not a saint after all.
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
5:42 pm
Josef,
Yes, that was my rabbit that swimmingly attacked Jimmy Carter. He got the medal of honor for his bravery.
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Then he joined the CIA and is now known as Sean Penn. I have disinherited him.
josef nix
May 26th, 2010
5:56 pm
Bosch–
Aw, shucks, and after hearing about a blue mini van, there I was, all ready to declare you the Episcopalian St. Francis A Sissie..
AmVet
Just can’t trust those people…loved the link!
Dusty–
Heh, heh!
James
May 26th, 2010
5:57 pm
Pissdawg, just like every other right wing kook will always find a reason to find something wrong with everything the administration does. Without the stimulus, unemployment would be at 12%. Then they’d be complaining he should have injected money into the economy to stimulate it. Also, bet Pissdawg has no problem with the $500 million that is being sent to secure our borders. Don’t hear any kooks screaming find a way to pay for this before it’s approved. Why aren’t they holding this up, like they did emergency unemployment benefits? You people are sad!!
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
5:59 pm
Normal,
Congrats on your grandson’s achievements. Sounds like he, too, had a “stimulus”. I bet it was grandpa.
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New thread! The dismal DOW. It must have been over STIMULATED..
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Dinner time! My marvelous mix of the mundane meatloaf! Mucho grande!
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
6:02 pm
JOSEF! ST. FRANCIS a SISSIE!!!! ooooooooo awwww let me outta here…
Normal
May 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
Thanks y’all on behalf of my grandson…
Samantha
May 26th, 2010
8:47 pm
Obama just borrowed 145 billion from the Chinese to give to the Greeks. Then he borrowed 15 billion to give to the Brazillians. When does this insanity end?
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JG
May 27th, 2010
2:26 am
At a cost of full time employment jobs of $210,243.90- $478,888.89 based on the numbers above and an approximated $862,000,000,000.00 cost, I’m sure we can the stimulus bill a victory. Most of the spending being upfront (we’ll say first four years) almost makes this a deal if you assume the higher efficiency numbers with an assumed median income of around $50,000.
I don’t think anybody denies the government should have done something to stabilize the economy, but what they did was a bit ridiculous in terms of cost and methodology. Now all that money that has been spent in this (plus interest) will have to be pulled out down the road at some point via taxes rather than leaving cash moneys to grow the economy. True story.
RRD
May 27th, 2010
1:40 pm
Even if you take the CBO numbers seriously, does anyone think that a job creation program that costs about $400,000 for every $40,000 a year job it creates is a good investment?
StewartIII
May 27th, 2010
9:12 pm
NewsBusters: Media Tout CBO Stimulus Numbers, Ignore Their Disconnect From Reality
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/05/27/media-tout-cbo-stimulus-numbers-ignore-their-disconnect-reality
Samantha
May 28th, 2010
7:40 am
How embarassing for Jay. These numbers were picked out of the air by the CBO and Jay thinks it’s gospel. Like most ot the left he is incredibly gullible when Obama is involved.
Don G.K.
July 2nd, 2010
4:29 pm
Please…. ler me know what you are drinking…. I want some..
Matt
August 25th, 2010
10:05 pm
Jay, my 8 year old daughter knew that report was garbage. You’d think you would too.
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