BP about to take its best shot at shutting massive oil leak
Thirty-six days after the Deepwater Horizon exploded, killing 11 crew members and setting off a massive oil leak, BP may finally be ready to attempt to seal the drill site with a “top kill” of heavy mud followed by cement.
I’ve seen estimates of success at 60 to 70 percent, so keep your fingers crossed.
All of them. It’s a critical moment, the last best chance to stop the flow for weeks if not months. If this doesn’t work…
Here’s how BP describes the process:
“A total of 50,000 barrels of mud will be on location to kill the well – far more than necessary, but we want to be prepared for anything. Pumping capacity on location is more than 30,000 hydraulic horsepower.
The mud will be pumped down the 6-5/8 inch drill pipe (pipe is connected to the Q4000), then through 3-inch hoses, which go through the manifold on the seafloor. Then the mud moves through another set of 3-inch hoses attached to the Deepwater Horizon BOP choke and kill lines.
With the manifold, we can also pump the ‘junk shot’ if necessary to stop too much of the kill mud going out through the top of the BOP rather than going down into the well to stop the flow. By switching valves in the subsea manifold, we can inject the ‘bridging material’ (the junk), which will prevent such losses and enable the top kill to continue.
We’ve been testing the junk shot on-shore, looking at different configurations of what might restrict the flow out of the Deepwater Horizon riser and what types of materials would help shut it off. Materials in a junk shot can include well-known items such as pieces of tires, golf balls, and pieces of rope.”
After initialing declaring that public access to the video feed would be halted during the operation, BP relented last night and announced the feed would continue. It warned:
“Throughout the extended top kill procedure – which may take up to two days to complete – very significant changes in the appearance of the flows at the seabed may be expected. These will not provide a reliable indicator of the overall progress, or success or failure, of the top kill operation as a whole. BP will report on the progress of the operation as appropriate and on its outcome when complete.”
BP had suggested the operation could begin as early as dawn today, but as of 7:30 a.m., there is no indication from the video that operations had actually begun.
On Thursday, Interior Department officials are expected to deliver the results of a 30-day review of the offshore drilling program to President Obama, including recommendations for how tighten oversight. The next day, Obama is scheduled to visit the Gulf.
Congress has also been investigating, as The New York Times reports:
In the hours before the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded last month in the Gulf of Mexico, there were strong warning signs that something was terribly wrong with the well, according to a Congressional committee that was briefed on the accident by executives from BP.
Among the red flags, the panel said, were several equipment readings suggesting that gas was bubbling into the well, a potential sign of an impending blowout. Investigators also noted “other events in the 24 hours before the explosion that require further inquiry,” including a critical decision to replace heavy mud in the pipe rising from the seabed with seawater, possibly increasing the risk of an explosion.
…. Some of those who survived the explosion, including managers from BP and Transocean, are expected to testify at hearings in Louisiana to be held by the Coast Guard and the federal Minerals Management Service, beginning Wednesday.
The testimony may help clear up some of the uncertainties about the day of the accident, including who was making the decisions. But the new information from BP — combined with past testimony by executives, analysis of documents by The New York Times and interviews with independent drilling experts — is beginning to paint a picture of a complex operation that went awry just as it was drawing to a close.
Drilling logs from the Deepwater Horizon suggest that shortly after midnight on the morning of the explosion, attention had turned to temporarily plugging and capping the well so the rig could disconnect and move to another job. Halliburton, the contractor hired by BP to provide cementing services, had spent the past several weeks cementing each new segment of the well into place. Halliburton was also responsible for plugging it….
However, in testimony before Congressional hearings, Halliburton executives have said that the company adhered strictly to the specifications provided by BP for the cementing of the well.”
The only break we’ve seemed to get in this whole tragedy has been with the weather. NOAA predicts that it will continue to be calm, for the most part keeping the oil offshore, although portions of the Louisiana coast have already been hammered. Bad as it is, the only solace is that it could be much much worse.
Like I said, keep your fingers crossed, and pray.
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USinUK
May 26th, 2010
7:48 am
… but of course, it’s all Obama’s fault …
Lord Help Us
May 26th, 2010
7:56 am
Still waiting for some updates from the ‘drill, baby, drill’ contingent and from the ‘this is no big deal, not as bad as natural seepage, where is the oil, ocean will clean itselt’ armchair brigade…
Not much being said now, especially no humility or remorse…tells me a lot about the seriousness of those that cannot acknowledge (although Palin is convinced Obama is in BP’s pocket)…there’s your ‘leader’ GOP. You should be proud.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
7:56 am
I’ve seen estimates of success at 60 to 70 percent, so keep your fingers crossed.
About all we can do. Prayin’ can’t hurt either…
Like I said, keep your fingers crossed, and pray.
right. Like he said.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
7:58 am
The ocean will clean itself.
Accidents are gonna happen.
Its Obamas fault.
MMS couldve stopped this.
Had McCain been Pres this never wouldve occured.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
8:01 am
But see, here’s the thing. You set up a rig to go somewhere in the ocean so deep we can’t even send a manned craft to inspect it. You go drill several miles deeper to bring out massive amounts of rotting, toxic crap Mother Nature, in her wisdom, doesn’t generally loose upon her subjects but in bits and pieces here and there.
If you do all this, it’d probably be a good idea to have backups to the backups to the backup plan to account for everything going kablooie before of the decaying toxic crap every gets out of its miles-deep hold, before you drill baby drill.
Just saying.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:03 am
dB – 8:01 – that’s crazy talk.
stands for decibels
May 26th, 2010
8:03 am
“…before ANY of the decaying toxic crap…”
anyway, gotta go pay for the cleanup. Later, kids. Don’t drill anything while I’m away.
Mick
May 26th, 2010
8:03 am
How is the ocean gonna clean itself?
Accidents can be prevented.
Its all BP and Cneneys fault.
MMS is high on drugs.
Had mccain been pres, we’d be at war in iran now
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
8:06 am
“MMS is high on drugs.”
LOL>
Normal
May 26th, 2010
8:07 am
NPR just reported an interview with the BP head honcho, who said he will decide if they will try to cap today and that there is no guarentee…
Mick
May 26th, 2010
8:10 am
If the kill shot or whatever they call it fails; its time to bring in joe the plumber.
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:10 am
“… but of course, it’s all Obama’s fault … ”
The spill, no.
The lack of any meaningful Federal effort from an administration that pride’s itself on Federal intervention? Yes.
We have kids in charge of the candy store.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
8:11 am
“its time to bring in joe the plumber.”
Where’s Red Adair when you need him?
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:13 am
“Where’s Red Adair when you need him?”
Dead, in 2004.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
8:15 am
“Dead, in 2004″
yes, dear…I know that
Normal
May 26th, 2010
8:15 am
The lack of any meaningful Federal effort from an administration that pride’s itself on Federal intervention? Yes.
Form the mouth of a true, RED blooded Republican…
Dave, tell me, what could he have done? Inquiring minds want to know…
jason
May 26th, 2010
8:16 am
with 4000 oil platforms in the gulf all this should of been ready to go. If it can happen it will, and will happen again. With so much at stake and all the money being made, why do you have to learn the hard way.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
8:19 am
Let’s pray it works! If that’s ok with you Democrats. Make sure you go in your room and close the
door!!
larry
May 26th, 2010
8:22 am
Yes it will happen again. There is another platform called Atlantis which is not far from the one that exploded that is having problems according to the “60 minutes” interview with a worker from the doomed rig that exploded. Its sad that these companies , not just BP, cant see as far as the end of their noses. And its not just in the oil industry either.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
8:25 am
“… but of course, it’s all Obama’s fault …”
About as much as Katrina was Bush’s fault. *rolls eyes*
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:25 am
It’s Obama’s fault.
I want ma countra back!
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:25 am
“Form the mouth of a true, RED blooded Republican…
Dave, tell me, what could he have done? Inquiring minds want to know…”
How many times do I have to tell you, Normal, I’m NOT a Republican. I am too principled to be one. And if you had really taken the time to read my posts on this blog, you’d know that both parties get, and deserve, my undying loathing.
As to what specifically Hope & Change could have done? Who knows? But for an administration that prides itself on inserting their Federal noses in virtually everything they can (financial, healthcare, autos, bailouts, etc), and one that never turns down an opportunity to denigrate the oil industry, I find it very telling that they haven’t interceded in this fiasco.
Union
May 26th, 2010
8:26 am
The leak will be fixed.. we will continue to drill and pump oil.As a result, standards will improve, safety devices will be improved and if all things go well, could be 100 years before we have another accident.
Three Mile Island – Chernobyl – didn’t stop nuclear production of power, it did make us more cautious.
I do find it somewhat hypocritical the “supposed” disdain that jay has for the oil companies, all the while working in an industry that destroys our forests and adds tons of waste to landfills daily.
All that being said.. please please please work.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
8:27 am
Well if 60 minutes/Entertainment Tonight states such then it must be true.
Mysteries of the Universe, Solved
May 26th, 2010
8:30 am
As long as the well pressure is dropping and they are not simply getting a false indicator of reduced pressure via reduced pipe outlet pressure due to a partially clogged pipe, then sure, it has a chance at working. I mean, anyone that knows their fluid mechanics will tell you that. After all, this isn’t rocket science. Even those Republicans, with their limited educations, that are doing all the whining about Obama not doing something more should know that. Then again, perhaps a little pictorial showing them where to insert said pipe along with an arrow showing circular motion afterward would help them to understand.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
8:30 am
What oil? I don’t see any oil. Do you see any oil, Andy?
The emasculated, bribed Feds are now being excoriated by the people who wanted them emasculated and bribed. And this ecological and financial disaster does not change a single thing in the “minds” of the “smaller government” dupes.
They’ve clamored for decades to insanely under man and underfund these governmental agencies – that are the only thing standing between complete corporate lawlessness and us – and now that they finally got that, oops!
Wall Street, September 2008 and Deepwater Horizon, April 2010.
So save me the faux indignation.
IF Uncle Sam had been doing his job, the outcry of government interference by the ever-conned would have been deafening.
So tell me godly conservatives, do you now proffer that “heavy handed” oversight and enforcement of regulations to protect we the people and OUR assets is not such a terrible thing?
Or maybe we should all just continue to look the other way while MMS dines on lobster and drinks champagne paid for by BP, Exxon, etc…
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:30 am
I thought it was BP’s fault but you want to blame our government?
The blame-America-first crowd has spoken.
Companies never screw up – people never die from their negligence, women never have to get their private parts surgically rebuilt due to hot coffee, illegal dumping never occurs resulting in cancer and birth defects. But government employees can’t do anything right.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
8:32 am
We need another spending/stimulus bill. Maybe we will get one soon.
david wayne osedach
May 26th, 2010
8:33 am
This is very serious business and there is no more time to take half measures.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:33 am
I find it very telling that they haven’t interceded in this fiasco.
Yeah, I’m sure no one in the administration has been on the phone with BP over the last month.
Mysteries of the Universe, Solved
May 26th, 2010
8:35 am
I keep telling you, “I’m not a Republican.” I just hate Obama and love Bush, says the blogger with about as much credibility as the Lost Scout. Okay, so I paraphrased. He might have used slightly different punctuation.
Mysteries of the Universe, Solved
May 26th, 2010
8:36 am
Perhaps another tax cut will soothe the savage Republican for a few minutes.
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:37 am
Finn, if this were the previous administration, and someone posted what you did about phone calls, you’d be all over them for not treating this issue seriously enough.
At some point you need to become intellectually honest about this mismanagement from both sides.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:37 am
I suppose we could call in our crack team of oil leakage special forces. Which government agency do they work for again?
Is it the same government agency that specializes in collapsed mines? And collapsed bridges? And train wrecks? All are man-created disasters so what’s the problem?
Oil-leakage powers, activate!
not on my watch
May 26th, 2010
8:37 am
Let this be a lesson, we are NOT the masters of the planet. (..even if you think the Bible says so…)
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:40 am
Universe, if you would please poll the other regular members of this blog to see how much I disagreed with Bush on spending, Iraq and social issues, you’d see your last comment has no basis in fact.
But that would require an open mind and intellectual honesty on your part . . .
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
8:41 am
Tax cuts? Dont know about that but a tax increase is on its way. The Bush tax cuts expire this year. Wonder if Obi will extend or keep hatin on us?
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:41 am
Dave R., how much lead time did the previous administration have before the Katrina event occured?
On the other hand, how much experience have we had dealing with hurricanes vs. dealing with oil leaks? Hurricanes are supposed to happen so we have a department prepared to deal with it. An oil leak of this magnitude is not supposed to happen.
Are you starting to grasp the difference here?
@@
May 26th, 2010
8:42 am
Materials in a junk shot can include well-known items such as pieces of tires, golf balls, and pieces of rope.”
Well…that’s not a duplication of the materials they drilled thru, but ——WHEN——it works, GREAT!
jay, would you like to instruct me in how it is I should pray?
Union
May 26th, 2010
8:43 am
As far as the gov’t getting any more involved.. I liked what Thad Allen told a reporter, when the reporter repeatedly asked why the gov’t wasn’t getting more involved in fixing the problem.. I believe he said something to the effect of “who exactly should we call?”
jt
May 26th, 2010
8:44 am
Although you wouldn’t want government employees getting in the way of real work,
EVERY employee of the MMS should be down there washing birds or some other mundane task that they are qualified for.
Union
May 26th, 2010
8:44 am
Finn.. as far as Katrina goes.. I don’t think any administration could have been prepared for the enormous stupidity shown by the people of new orleans and not evacuating.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 26th, 2010
8:45 am
Well, I seen people bragging on their grandkids this a.m. and tried to keep quiet about mine, but I just can’t hardly help being proud of little Sonny Zell George. He already knows all the car and truck names and can yell them out when he sees them on the track. And his babysetter says he’ll be able to count to five any time now. The missus and me are talking about putting him in a school, only we don’t want him to be taught by this josef nix because the gay might could rub off. So there, I done my bragging and I’m thru with it.
Anyhow, what BP needs to stop this leak is some good old GA clay. That stuff will stop anything. If you cut a artery just slap some GA clay on it and the bleeding will stop. Heck, the stuff’s so good it won’t even come out of clothes no matter how many times you wash them. Just put a big blob of GA clay on the end of a line and lower it to the ocean bottom and that leak will be as gone as Obama in November 2012.
Anyhow, I got some hauling to do so I’ll check back in later to see if the oil leak has stopped. Have a good day everybody.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
8:46 am
OKG, Obama promised us tax increases but I haven’t seen them yet.
I’m getting kinda po’d waiting for them…promises promises
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:48 am
Dave – “The lack of any meaningful Federal effort from an administration that pride’s itself on Federal intervention? Yes.”
okay. I’ll ask you the same question I asked Bud yesterday – what EXACTLY do you suggest the administration do???
Peadawg – “About as much as Katrina was Bush’s fault.”
um … let’s see … 3-day notice that the hurricane was not only going to be a direct hit, but that it was going to be a Cat 5, it was going to cause massive flooding, etc … not to mention, FEMA is the government’s JOB
vs. NO notice of an explosion and fixing a well a mile underwater – which is NOT the government’s job
but other than that, yeah, they’re exactly the same
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
8:49 am
“Dave R., how much lead time did the previous administration have before the Katrina event occured?”
The State of LA govt had plenty of time. Nagin and co-conspirators were so inept they refused to call a mandatory evac. Then of course they resist requesting Federal Aid until things are in complete chaos, mayhem, pandemonium…
Katrina lays squarely at the feet of the LA State and Local govt.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
“Oil-leakage powers, activate!”
Good one Finn. Yeah, I need to get that upgrade on my super hero armband.
““““““““
“I believe he said something to the effect of “who exactly should we call?”
And that’s true. At this point we probably should call in the Russians or the Norwegians or somebody whose actually fixed a problem such as this.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
who’s Red Adair?
md
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
“enormous stupidity shown by the people”
I agree, but in their defense, people on here that have never lived in a hurricane zone are clueless. People choose to stay for many reasons, one of which is the fact that they suffered no adverse conditions in prior hurricanes, so they dropped their guard. (Been there, done that)
But, it was a conscious choice to stay.
And for those that put the blame on the last in line in regards to agreed upon responsibility, they are only fooling themselves.
Mysteries of the Universe, Solved
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
Universe, if you would please poll the other regular members of this blog to see how much I disagreed with Bush on spending, Iraq and social issues, you’d see your last comment has no basis in fact.
But that would require an open mind and intellectual honesty on your part . . .
I would rather see physical proof. Show me some of your posts where you disagreed with Bush’s policies with the same fervor as you do with Obama and in the same timeframe relative to his time in office. Something you said about Bush’s policies from 2001 and 2002 and something about Obama since he took office, just so we can have an apples to apples comparison. I promise to look at such evidence with an open mind and to judge them using as much intellectual honesty as I see from you.
Keep up the good fight!
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
The Repubs with Kenneth the Page gov speaking make fun to studying volcanos and said was ridiculous….imagine what would have been said if gov’t had said we are going to spend a lot of money to have a system to handle a major blowout……but..but…private enterprise can do it better, etc……
Lesson learned: Private enterprise does not always do it better and there is a role for government regulations, including environmental protection. There are some things we should not allow to be done until we have real methods to address the potential disasters and there should be no liability caps. Oh, and having Dick Cheney meet behind closed doors with oil executives to create an energy plan has real consequences….
Gale
May 26th, 2010
8:53 am
I would suppose anyone with any expertise has already offered help. No matter what country they live in, it is their planet too. Polluting a large expanse of water effects us all.
Normal
May 26th, 2010
8:55 am
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:51 am
who’s Red Adair?
USinUK, he was a famous oil rig fire fighter based out of Texas. John Wayne played him in the movie, “The Hellfighters”. The real Red helped put out the fires Sadam left in Kuwait.
Dave R.
May 26th, 2010
8:56 am
“Dave R., how much lead time did the previous administration have before the Katrina event occured?”
Plenty, and if you’ll note in Karl Rove’s book (backed up with memos and logs) they warned Louisiana and New Orleans days before Katrina and recommended evacuation days before. Their recommendations were ignored.
As to this current disaster, do you think every oil boom in the nation is in use right now? Do you think dispersal chemicals could have been used earlier and more frequently? More burns, perhaps?
Why do you find it so incomprehensible to admit that this administration, given their proclivity for inserting their noses in virtually everything they have no business doing so, is so hesitant to do so for this natural disaster.
Scout
May 26th, 2010
8:56 am
BP = OO
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:56 am
OGK – “Then of course they resist requesting Federal Aid until things are in complete chaos, mayhem, pandemonium”
wrong AGAIN … On Friday, 26 August, Governor B declared a state of emergency and also started coordinating with FEMA and the national guard.
on Saturday, 27 August, evacuations began. Governor B sent a letter asking Bush to delcare a major disaster for LA in order to release federal assistance. The emergency declaration also ASSIGNED THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR RELIEF EFFORTS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Normal
May 26th, 2010
8:57 am
Dave R.,
I’ll ask you again, just what is it you would have this Administration do?
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:58 am
Normal – 8:55 – you know EVERYthing! (and if you don’t, your grandson does!)
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
8:59 am
Normal – 8:57 – I’m awaiting, too …
md
May 26th, 2010
8:59 am
“um … let’s see … 3-day notice that the hurricane was not only going to be a direct hit, but that it was going to be a Cat 5, it was going to cause massive flooding, etc … not to mention, FEMA is the government’s JOB”
Do you know how many Cat 5’s came ashore as Cat 4’s, 3’s and 2’s, and how many of them turned drastically just before reaching shore?? The fed’s were last in line – could they have done better? Absolutely. But one needs to ask the question – if the other 3 in line had done their jobs, would the fed even have been needed other than normal disaster clean-up.
larry
May 26th, 2010
8:59 am
Well if 60 minutes/Entertainment Tonight states such then it must be true.
Yeah, that guy that worked on the rig and was there as it was exploding was lying. Shhhesssh
Normal
May 26th, 2010
9:00 am
USinUK,
Revisionist history. They are good at it. If things don’t go your way, then pretend it never happened or that it did go your way and in time all the universe will believe you…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:00 am
Famous oil. rig. fire. fighter? Jesus, they’ll make a celebrity out of anyone.
HELLO! I AM RED! THE FAMOUS OIL RIG FIRE FIGHTER!
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
9:02 am
USinUK – check out: http://www.redadair.com/
His biography is amazing. And it details a standing joke about him in TX: A Texan died, and went to heaven…but no matter what they showed him he said “it was better in Texas” Beautiful women? Better in Texas. Lovely landscape? Better in Texas Gorgeous beaches” Better in Texas.
So finally they took him to the edge of Heaven to look down into the fires of Hell. Got anything like that in Texas? Nope, but we got the only SOB who could put it out!
Normal
May 26th, 2010
9:03 am
Bosch,
Careful with the “RED” stuff…you might get labeled…
Mysteries of the Universe, Solved
May 26th, 2010
9:03 am
Responsibilities are also assigned, by law dating back to 1990, for handling of oil spills. The Republicans have yet to point out any basis from law for their claims that Obama should be doing something beyond what he is currently doing. They’re just whining, as expected, in yet another lame attempt to score political points. They do not actually care about the leak or the people affected by the leak.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:03 am
md – “The fed’s were last in line – could they have done better?”
actually, no they weren’t – as mentioned above, LEGALLY, when the President declares a disaster area, they assumer responsibility for the response
and, as anyone knows who sat and watched the news for the weekend leading up to the Monday landfall, the NWS predicted EVERYthing that was going to happen – and they were right on the money.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
9:03 am
The Feds warned LA/Nagin and Co-conspirators and they chose to ignore said warnings. The mess rest squarely with the State and Local govt.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:05 am
Doggone – 9:03 –
that’s brilliant! and thanks for the link – will check that out!
(that’s what I love about this place – diverse folks with diverse interests sharing fun factoids!)
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:06 am
Normal,
As a Communist or wingnut?
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:06 am
OGK – “they chose to ignore said warnings”
by “ignore” you mean start evacuations 2 days early?
by “ignore” you mean get all the proper declarations made to streamline assistance?
talk about revisionist history
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
9:06 am
USinUK…I’ve read, and reread, his biography so much I’ve about worn it out.
godless heathen
May 26th, 2010
9:08 am
Was watching Morning Joe on PMSNBC this AM. Rampant stupidity about the chemical dispersants (aka soap) being used in the Gulf was on display. Joe was wringing his hands over all the birth defects that will be caused from people eating the contaminated seafood. Good grief.
N-GA
May 26th, 2010
9:08 am
Hospitals are required to have a Disaster Recovery Plan (often called a Business Continuity Plan). Banks are required to have them also….and the government requires that they be tested every year. I understand that every oil platform must have such a plan on file with the Feds. Why then did BP have to “manufacture” that “dome”? Why wasn’t it already sitting there waiting to be used? Was their plan reviewed and tested (to the degree that it could be tested)? It seems they are really just winging it.
I suspect there will be a search for the answers to these questions and a host of others.
md
May 26th, 2010
9:10 am
“and, as anyone knows who sat and watched the news for the weekend leading up to the Monday landfall, the NWS predicted EVERYthing that was going to happen – and they were right on the money.”
And my point – having lived through several – is that they are “predictions”. Folks that live there (including those in gov’t) have a tendency to be skeptical. It is the cry wolf syndrome. Pack it up, leave for several days, then come back to minimal damage, folks tend to ignore the warnings. Predictions that were more often wrong than right. So just because that got that “one” right means very little to folks that go through 5-10 a year. It still boils down to the inhabitants – they leave, problem doesn’t exist.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:11 am
USinUK @ 8:48 am
So, FEMA had to tell the idiots in New Orleans to leave? They weren’t smart enough to know they should leave? Personal responsibility pal, personal responsibility.
My point was neither of these events were/are the President’s fault.
Curious Observer
May 26th, 2010
9:11 am
Famous oil. rig. fire. fighter? Jesus, they’ll make a celebrity out of anyone.
Red Adair deserved all the fame he acquired. The guy was simply fearless, not to mention amazingly effective. It says a lot about him that when Saddam left Kuwaiti oil wells burning out of control and nobody could get within 100 yards of one, the first person that the U.S. government called was Red Adair.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
9:15 am
“nobody could get within 100 yards of one”
He wasn’t a big fan of OSHA either. There’s a story in there about some inspector insisting his men use modern, plastic hard helmets instead of the metal ones they were using. Red told the guy to follow him, and started walking towards a burning well. When the plastic helmet started to MELT around the guy’s ears…end of requirement to use plastic helmets!
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
9:15 am
Im thinking Katrina was more the fault of Nagin than any other.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:15 am
md – 9:10 – my dad has a place down in FL, so while I haven’t experienced hurricanes firsthand, I’ve gotten the rundown from him. and, I can also understand the people who are too old or who barely have a pot to pi$$ (not to mention, don’t have a car to drive or money for a hotel) not leaving –
in other words, evacuation orders are only as good as the people who listen to them. BUT, contrary to what OGK was saying, the orders WERE given more than 2 full days before landfall.
Peadawg – “So, FEMA had to tell the idiots in New Orleans to leave?” ah. no. but they were responsible for recovery.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:16 am
Curious – 9:11 – now, that’s cool.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
9:18 am
John Wayne starred in some movie about fighting oil well fires with a son in law in the movie who would also fight oil well fires. The daughter was married to the son in law and she was upset about the dangerous job in which her old man was involved, but it had a happy ending…I think.
@@
May 26th, 2010
9:18 am
Lawd-ah-mercy!
On Apr. 30, the Huffington Post published a story stating:
In what is looming as another public relations predicament for Goldman Sachs, the banking giant admitted today that it made “a substantial financial bet against the Gulf of Mexico” one day before the sinking of an oil rig in that body of water.
The new revelations came to light after government investigators turned up new emails from Goldman employee Fabrice “Fabulous Fab” Tourre in which he bragged to a girlfriend that the firm was taking a “big short” position on the Gulf.
“One oil rig goes down and we’re going to be rolling in dough,” Mr. Tourre wrote in one email. “Suck it, fishies and birdies!”
Try to remember, Huff’nPuffers…Andy Borowitz is a comedian! The stuff he writes is satire!
Not being aware that the author, Andy Borowitz, is a comedian, scores of Internet sites ran with the story as being genuine. As of today, Google search on Goldman Sachs shorted “Gulf of Mexico” pulls up 207,000 returns, beginning with the Huffington Post link. Many, such as Infowars, pulled their stories when they realized the mistake.
Huffington has scrubbed all the comments to protect their gullible.
Remember…ANDY BOROWITZ IS A COMEDIAN! Always look for the byline, ANDY BOROWITZ.
http://pesn.com/2010/05/05/9501645_No_joke–Goldman_Sachs_shorted_TransOcean/
Sheesh!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:18 am
“ut they were responsible for recovery.”
Agreed. But Obama’s stuck his nose in every other part of our lives. Yet an oil spill that threatens the entire Gulf Coast…**cricket cricket**
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
9:18 am
Finn, you’re making excuses because it fits you agenda. Please stop. You want to blame it all on Bush and give the mayor and gov a pass only because he’s an R and they’re D’s. Stop already. That’s dumb, dishonest, and not productive. Bush couldn’t make them board empty busses and drive themselves out of a below-sea-level city.
And Obama isn’t doing anything because he has no idea what to do. “Plug the damn hole” is a great sound bite, but is worthless coming from an armchair deepwater scientist. Worthless. The government doesn’t have the expertise to deal with this and they need to stop bashing BP for sound bites and figure out how they CAN help in areas they do have some expertise.
This is not a political issue. Stop making it one.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:20 am
“people who are too old or who barely have a pot to pi$$ (not to mention, don’t have a car to drive or money for a hotel) not leaving –”
And that’s the crux of the problem. Katrina hit at the end of the month.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:20 am
“But Obama’s stuck his nose in every other part of our lives.”
WTF? First of all, that’s retarded – second of all, again, what is he supposed to be doing that he’s not already?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:21 am
Gotta love this quote about New Orleans:
“Even after the recent Super Bowl victory of the New Orleans Saints, I have noticed a large number of people implying with bad jokes that Cajuns aren’t smart.
I would like to state for the record that I disagree with that assessment. Anybody that would build a city 5 feet below sea level in a hurricane zone and fill it with Democrats is a damn genius.”
Bud Wiser
May 26th, 2010
9:21 am
I guess we really would not be having this situation had the politicians, mostly Democrat, and the environmental whackos not removed drilling on land, such as ANWAR, where had such a spill occured, it could have been repaired much easier, much more quickly, and considerably less messier than we see now.
But, with this deep water accident, yet another chapter is written on the incompetent sap we have as an alleged president, a fool who has done virtually nothing publicly or privately, showing that he has absolutely no grasp whatsoever on what is occurring.
The very environmentalists who shoved the drilling offshore to protect their precious little marshlands and associated flora and fauna hold a degree of responsibility as well.
Obama’s fault, as some mushroom head suggested? No, not really.
Reaction, action, repair or control to the disaster being measured in near geological time Obama’s fault? Yes, totally. The ensuing massive ecological disaster being spread while Nero fiddles also Obama’s fault? Absolutely.
November 10.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
9:21 am
“John Wayne starred in some movie about fighting oil well fires”
And it’s a misconception that it was “about” Red Adair. It was based on his life, but it wasn’t meant to be boigraphical..and it wasn’t. But he did work on the movie creating and co-ordinating the burning well sequences. And Red Adair and John Wayne were friends for the rest of their lives.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:22 am
“WTF? First of all, that’s retarded”
Of course it is to you. You don’t mind big huge government.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
9:23 am
From what I recall it wasnt the old or the infermed left in the soup. It was those excercising willful neglect, jumping up and down, stealing, looting – other than non-essentials etc.
Luckily, for them and us, Sean Penn pulled up in his john-boat and saved the day.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:23 am
“You don’t mind big huge government.”
Speak for yourself Peadawg – and leave the adults alone to talk. Now, run along and play.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:25 am
Outhouse,
“From what I recall it wasnt the old or the infermed left in the soup.”
I guess you forgot about the old lady in the wheelchair who died outside the Convention Center with the blanket covering her because there was no where to take her. I mean, Jesus man, that picture was everywhere.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:25 am
Bosch, I thought you were a democrat?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:26 am
Peadawg,
You should never assume things, nor speak for others. It’s very dangerous and can get you in trouble sometimes.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:27 am
Funny to hear all the “guvmint, keep your hands our of private bidness” conservatives totally pissed that the guvmint isn’t fixing BP (a private company, last I checked) f-up.
“we don’t want no regalations.”
chortle chortle
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:27 am
My bad. The way you’re always on here agreeing w/ Jay and disagreeing with me and other Republicans…I thought you were a Democrat.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:28 am
bleeding heart conservatives
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:28 am
Funny to hear all the “guvmint, keep your hands our of private bidness” conservatives totally pissed that the guvmint isn’t fixing BP (a private company, last I checked) f-up.
“we don’t want no regalations.”
chortle chortle
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:29 am
Finn, we want Obama to stick his nose in stuff WHEN IT’S APPROPRIATE. NOW would an appropriate time, agreed? Closing the borders would be an appropriate time. Bailing out all the idiots…not a good time.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:29 am
“Agreed. But Obama’s stuck his nose in every other part of our lives.”
really? EVERY other part of your life???
secondly, I’ve asked Bud … I’ve asked Dave … so I’ll ask you – EXACTLY what is this administration supposed to do???
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:30 am
Now if John Wayne was half the man Red was…instead of a draft-deferment conservative…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:30 am
Peadawg,
“My bad. The way you’re always on here agreeing w/ Jay and disagreeing with me and other Republicans…I thought you were a Democrat.”
I disagree with you because you post really generalized broad brush thoughts where you usually label someone as something, make wrong assumptions, and then proceed to speak for them or tell what they believe. A practice I find very dangerous not to mention daunting.
As I’ve said on numerous occasions, if you’d like to know what I believe or think, all you have to do is ask.
Now, can you answer this? What exactly is Obama supposed to be doing in the Gulf that he isn’t already doing?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:30 am
“secondly, I’ve asked Bud … I’ve asked Dave … so I’ll ask you – EXACTLY what is this administration supposed to do???”
Not worrying about DADT and doing interviews during the Suns/Lakers on TNT, that’s for damn sure.
md
May 26th, 2010
9:31 am
“and, I can also understand the people who are too old or who barely have a pot to pi$$ (not to mention, don’t have a car to drive or money for a hotel) not leaving – ”
Still an excuse – all those buses sitting under water never used – the local gov’t should have had them running up and down the street taking every one of those who “couldn’t”.
Hindsight is 20/20 – they didn’t, and others chose to stay. It is as simple as that.
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
9:32 am
So, do we have consensus from the Party of No — a tax cut and fewer regulations are needed to fix this Gulf leak and a second tax cut and even fewer regulations will prevent future leaks. Further, the federal government is responsible for the current leak and should fix it, free of charge, and then get out of the way and give us a third tax cut just for good measure. And fewer regulations, of course.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:33 am
Is Obama supposed to don a dive suit that will withstand the pressure and fix the leak himself?
or
Is he supposed to call the government oil leak experts and repair men to get the job done?
Curious Observer
May 26th, 2010
9:33 am
“There are two things I really like about my job. When the phone rings I never know where I’m heading to next – and I’m never bothered by life-insurance salesmen!”</i?
Red Adair
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:34 am
So, if Obama calls in experts from other countries who have experience in this, what are you going to say about him then?
He’s shipping jobs overseas?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:35 am
Finn,
Or, he’s an unpatriotic apologists who thinks Americans can’t fix their own problems.
Outhouse GoKart
May 26th, 2010
9:35 am
Bos…I guess I missed the pic of the one lady who died in her wheelchair. Seems the media gave more coverage to all the others. All that aside perhaps next time the media will give us more pics of Sean Penn.
Red Sovine
May 26th, 2010
9:36 am
“C’mon back truhkers an tawk ta Teddy Bar”
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:36 am
USinUK, good point about FEMA.
Federal protection is what we pay taxes for, right? Our markets are protected so we can make money, our property is protected so we can own stuff, we have import protections so a company can’t dump on us, etc.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:37 am
“So, if Obama calls in experts from other countries who have experience in this, what are you going to say about him then?”
We don’t have experts here?
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:37 am
Peadawg – “Not worrying about DADT and doing interviews during the Suns/Lakers on TNT, that’s for damn sure.”
yeah, because we should have a president who can do only 1 thing at a time
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:38 am
Peadawg,
“We don’t have experts here?”
Are you just dense on purpose? They work for the oil companies – they work for BP!!
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:39 am
“yeah, because we should have a president who can do only 1 thing at a time”
What else did he do during that HC bill debacle? Some multi-tasking!!
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
9:39 am
“Or, he’s an unpatriotic apologists who thinks Americans can’t fix their own problems.”
Stop speaking for others you hypocrite.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:41 am
Bosch @ 9:35
Didn’t you just tell me not to assume things about others? Or is it “do as I say not as I do”?
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
9:41 am
Lesson learned: Private enterprise does not always do it better and there is a role for government regulations, including environmental protection.
Heresy! What do we burn besides witches? MORE witches!
Enough of the Katrina red herring already. The people who did not heed the evac warnings are now, in many cases, bones. (That should make some here very happy.) And the “blame” game goes across many, many responsible parties – the Army Corps of Engineers, local, state and federal governments…(But not FEMA, Heckuva Job Brownie or King George.)
And for gawdssakes, ANWR???
Have the nonstop duped EVER found an ecosystem, anywhere, they weren’t ready to license off to the plunderers and incompetents???
Wake up petro-chemically addicted, Carter naysayers and quit living in your wonderful Father Knows Best 1950s…
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:41 am
RB,
Not speaking for others — just making predictions.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:41 am
Finn – “Federal protection is what we pay taxes for, right? ”
and that is the point I was making yesterday – we do NOT pay taxes for the federal government to invest in drilling machinery and personnel, so what EXACTLY to these “Obama isn’t doing anything” people expect the administration to DO
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:42 am
Bosch is right, the experts work for OIL companies. Even if we call them in from overseas we are still going to get OIL company employees.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:43 am
Peadawg,
Again, making predictions. You can certainly prove me wrong if that happens. I said that Avatar would be the biggest flop in movie history – so what do I know? Really.
Now, would you please mind answering the simple question of what exactly it is that Obama needs to be doing that he isn’t already?
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:43 am
Peadawg – “What else did he do during that HC bill debacle? Some multi-tasking!!”
um. you do realize that the HC bill was nearly a year in the making – do you think that was the only thing the administration was working on??? seriously???
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
9:44 am
Perhaps our celebrity President could enlist the assistance of Hollywood and/or Sean Penn to cap this leaky oil well.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:45 am
USinUK,
Maybe he should create the US Department of Drilling.
md
May 26th, 2010
9:45 am
“so what EXACTLY to these “Obama isn’t doing anything” people expect the administration to DO”
For starters, shear manpower using sandbags, bulldozers, anything to stop the spread of oil once it gets to shore. Saving a mile or two of the environment is better than none at all.
Scout
May 26th, 2010
9:45 am
“OFF TOPIC #1″
To My Friends & Foes:
I tried late last night and again this morning to Google the article I saw regarding “some of the cadets at West Point not shaking Obama’s hand” when they received their diploma. I have been unable to find it. (I ask that my conservative friends keep looking especially if there is a video available of the entire Corps of Cadets receiving their diplomas where each cadet can be fully observed).
Therefore, I retract that part of my post yesterday evening as inaccurate. All comments about the “tepid” response at that and other military events attended by Obama stand.
As some of you know, I nailed Bush, Rumsfield and other Republicans when they deserved it especially on the tactical part of the Gulf War, immigration, etc., etc. However, this administration makes that one look like a Sunday School picnic.
I will continue to call ‘em like I see ‘em and do my small part to help save this Republic before it is too late.
The battle continues ………………
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:45 am
“um. you do realize that the HC bill was nearly a year in the making – do you think that was the only thing the administration was working on??? seriously???”
Immigration reform. Financial reform. Jobs. Economy. You know, all the major things most people care about? How are those doing?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
9:46 am
“Again, making predictions.”
Ok sweetheart. Whatever you say.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:46 am
Outhouse,
This Sean Penn kick you’re on is funny – can you imagine?
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2010
9:46 am
“and I’m never bothered by life-insurance salesmen!”
and his company never had a worker die fighting an oil well disaster. That’s one hell of a safety record.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
9:47 am
After this leak is plugged I propose the federal government purchase all the equipment neccessary to deal with situation should it occur in the future. That will, of course, entail a new agency tasked with maintaining said equipment and to stay at the ready to deploy. And of course it will have to have a budget for expendables and training of employees of that equipment.
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
9:47 am
Bosch. So you think it’s just dandy for arrogant little Bosch to “make predictions” about what others will say/do/think, but it’s not OK for anybody on the planet to “make predictions” about what Bosch will say/do/think? The definition of hypocrite!!!
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:48 am
Peadawg,
Can you please answer the freaking question and quit dodging? It’s really okay just to admit you’re just simply over-reacting and your Obama Derangement Syndrome is simply acting up this morning.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:48 am
“So you think it’s just dandy for arrogant little Bosch to “make predictions” about what others will say/do/think, but it’s not OK for anybody on the planet to “make predictions” about what Bosch will say/do/think?”
Yes. Got any more questions?
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
9:50 am
Scout, even though you dance in the margins and give justification for your omission/error, thank you. This has nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with the current state of political discourse…
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:50 am
Anyone interested in what the conservative nut jobs are writing about?
http://www.americaspeakingout.com/
Some guy was complaining that his posts were getting voted “inappropriate” so of course I had to vote that comment as “inappropriate” too!
jason
May 26th, 2010
9:50 am
bottom line is profet. So your government, yes you mr Obama you. You have to legislate that the oil companies have a backup plan waiting to be put in place for when things go wrong, and with simulated proven technology. None of this learing the hard way when it happens crap. Just look at all the coastal livelihoods being destroyed, and the poor inocent wild life being destroyed.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
9:50 am
The reason many did not leave NO was they were waiting for USPS to deliver their checks. It was the end of August. The flooding catastrophe occurred because the levees failed. They failed from below due to poorly constructed foundations. The foundation issues were known at the time of construction.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:51 am
Rightwing Troll, how we gonna pay for that new agency?
Tax hikes!….Primarily on the wealthy!
TaxPayer
May 26th, 2010
9:51 am
Now, would you please mind answering the simple question of what exactly it is that Obama needs to be doing that he isn’t already?
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
9:51 am
My best friend is from the Houston area, two of his dad’s favorite possesions are a zippo lighter and a rodeo style belt buckle from Red’s company from back in the day.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
9:53 am
Damn. I should have paid more attention to this Red feller. He sounded like a cool guy.
Rightwing Troll
May 26th, 2010
9:53 am
“Rightwing Troll, how we gonna pay for that new agency?”
Not my problem. It’s what is needed for the government to do what the wingnuts here are screaming for. The equipment and manpower must be in place to be able to react.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
9:53 am
“Sean Penn to cap this leaky oil well”
if he wasn’t such an amazing actor, I’d say use him to cap the well … but, DANG, the boy can act!
“Immigration reform. Financial reform. Jobs. Economy. You know, all the major things most people care about? How are those doing?”
well, the economy is improving – we’ve had 4 months of jobs growth, we’ve had positive GDP for 3 quarters, the Senate just passed financial reform, and the president just added a hundred million+ to border protection … so, I’d say those are doing rather well!
FrankLeeDarling
May 26th, 2010
9:54 am
I find it amusing how the cons twist,spin,spit in their own face and flog their own dead horse just to make themselves feel better about their incompetent corporate masters and gain a few political points.Given their rhetoric I find it hard to believe they give a damn about what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico,Just something new to try and bash Obama with.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
9:56 am
FLD – Are James Carville and Donna Brazile cons?
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
9:57 am
Ok sweetheart. Whatever you say.
Is Peadawg flirting with Bosch.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
9:58 am
Wingnut retread:
“we wants smaller guvmint…but we need to add an oil clean-up agency”
Normal
May 26th, 2010
9:58 am
Scout,
Both of us being ex-military, I think that we can agree that refusal to shake the hand of the CinC constitutes a violation of the UCMJ. At the very least Article 134. This why I doubt it ever happened. By the letter of military law, they could be, and I might add, should be expeled for gross insubordination. No matter if they like him or not, he IS their top Commander.
My feelings toward LBJ and RN weren’t the most positive, but I obeyed orders.
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
9:59 am
I find it hard to believe they give a damn about what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico,Just something new to try and bash Obama with.
Given their track record, you should find it impossible to believe.
John Birch
May 26th, 2010
10:02 am
So Obama’s going to visit the coast, walk out on the water, and the leak will stop. Why didn’t he do that weeks ago?
Scout
May 26th, 2010
10:04 am
“OFF TOPIC #2″
To Granny Godzilla (I hope you are out there this a.m.)
Since Jay is big on “retractions” this week I have one for you:
You accused me on a thread late last week of quoting Rev. Copeland to make a point and then turning around and badmouthing him on a later post.
You read the site wrong and thou dost err !
The quote I used is from Mr. Joseph Chambers wherein he “nails” Copeland for promoting the false doctrine of a feminine God.
Here is the again quote if you don’t have it ………….
“One of the most sinister of doctrines that is promoted by New Agers and theological liberals is the attack on God’s masculinity. They like to call God “Mother God”, as well as, or instead of, “Father God.” Probably nothing in Biblical Theology is more dangerous than this kind of thinking. God is clearly our “Father God” and any idea of a feminine side is diabolical.”
and …………..
Here is the site:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/kenneth_copland2.htm
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:04 am
“Why didn’t he do that weeks ago?”
I think he should have hopped into his way-back machine and stopped the explosion in the first place … damn you Obama and your pelican scrubbers, too!!!
Scout
May 26th, 2010
10:06 am
Normal:
You may be correct but that may only apply to saluting, etc.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:06 am
“Donna Brazile” ugh…she is so nauseating.
Mr. Snarky
May 26th, 2010
10:07 am
Dear God,
Please let this work.
Yours truly,
Mr. Snarky
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:07 am
James “excuse me for talking while u were interrupting” Carville, while often wrong is funny.
Mick
May 26th, 2010
10:07 am
Obama has given the appearance of being lacksadasical about this oil spill, with that being said, does anyone not believe that 8 years of bushism has contributed to this sorry state of regulation and enforcement?
godless heathen
May 26th, 2010
10:07 am
Carol Browner, White House Energy Advisor: “All decisions about the clean up, all decisions about shutting down the well are being run through the federal government,” The federal government is in charge.”
Obama got this.
Helleva job, Browner.
BP=Barry’s Problem
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:08 am
“Can you please answer the freaking question and quit dodging? It’s really okay just to admit you’re just simply over-reacting and your Obama Derangement Syndrome is simply acting up this morning.”
I’m not an expert, so I don’t know. I thought Obama was qualified to be President? He’s so quick to stick his nose in other parts of our lives yet all he’s done with the oil spill is talk. No action. As many “experts” as he’s hired on his staff, you would think someone knows something! Oops!
Union
May 26th, 2010
10:08 am
obama cannot walk on water.. thats just a myth started by liberals
RB from Gwinnett
May 26th, 2010
10:08 am
So, the DOJ is preparing to sue AZ for it’s immigration law. Holder says “”The regulation of our borders and the immigration that occurs by crossing our borders is something that is inherently something I believe for the national government to take responsibility for.”
Then do it! Unbelievable. The only reason AZ had to create the law is because the govt has not taken responsibility for it. Sounds like Bosch is in charge of the DOJ with logic like that.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:08 am
Union @ 10:08…lol!!!
FrankLeeDarling
May 26th, 2010
10:09 am
No Penn they are not but my perception is, a large percentage of people whining about Obama’s supposed lack of response are just a bunch of partisan hacks looking to score some cheap political points from this tragedy
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:10 am
I just think it’s hilarious y’all blamed Bush for Katrina and not doing enough to help, yet you sit here and defend Obama for not doing anything.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:11 am
Holder and Neopolitan are in over there heads…I expect to see clips of Neop breaking down and sobbing over this oil leak.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:11 am
Peadawg – “I’m not an expert, so I don’t know … yet all he’s done with the oil spill is talk. No action.”
action??? WHAT ACTION CAN HE DO??? seriously? other than donning a wet suit, diving in and plugging the effing well, himself, WHAT ACTION CAN HE TAKE??? Oil drilling is NOT the government’s business!!!
Curious Observer
May 26th, 2010
10:12 am
My feelings toward LBJ and RN weren’t the most positive, but I obeyed orders.
Heck, I even had JFK as CinC for a couple of years. You should have been in the Far East after the assassination. The extent of the military alerts was amazing; people at the top of the chain were convinced that the Russians were part of a conspiracy.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:12 am
PD…Obama will probably blame this oil leak on Sean Penn.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:12 am
Peadawg – “blamed Bush for Katrina and not doing enough to help”
again – it is the government’s JOB to respond to federal emergencies / disasters like tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes.
it is NOT the government’s job to drill for oil!
Mr. Snarky
May 26th, 2010
10:12 am
“obama cannot walk on water.. thats just a myth started by liberals”
Liberals didn’t start that myth. It’s a myth started by conservatives that liberals started that myth.
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
10:13 am
obama cannot walk on water.. thats just a myth started by Republicans
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:14 am
The Feds regulate oil drilling and especially in this case. Outer Continental and Continental shelf. Its is the govts responsbility to “Drill down” and be sure the Oil companies are proceeding according to the regs.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
10:14 am
As for the improving economy and overall state of affairs, this much is obvious.
No matter who replaced Dumb and Dumber, with their bookend disasters, the nation was going to let out an enormous, collective sigh of relief. We survived the Reign of Error. I personally reprised Gerald Ford’s famous quote, “Our long national nightmare is over.”
BHO has been no great prize, to say the least. But at least we don’t (yet) have hundreds of flag draped coffins coming home needlessly every week or the systematic dismantling of longstanding US law…
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:15 am
“it is the government’s JOB to respond to federal emergencies / disasters like tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes.”
An oil spill that threatens Florida, Bama, Mississippi, Louisian, Texas, it’s a federal emergency? Like I said, y’all are for him sticking his nose in other parts of our lives, bailing out banks and automakers, saying we have to have HC or get fined……but forget the beaches, wildlife, hotels and fisherman. They’re on their own.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:15 am
“Liberals didn’t start that myth. It’s a myth started by conservatives that liberals started that myth”
a vast right-wing myth-spiracy???
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:15 am
With regard to Katrina…The responsbility rest squarely on the shoulders of Nagin and his co-conspirators within the LA State and local govt.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:15 am
Peadawg,
“He’s so quick to stick his nose in other parts of our lives”
Exactly which part of YOUR life has he stuck his nose in?
“yet all he’s done with the oil spill is talk. No action.”
Bullsh*t and you know it – again, take something for your flare up of OBS this morning. Xanax helps well with that.
“As many “experts” as he’s hired on his staff, you would think someone knows something!”
And of those experts how many of those are qualified in oil leaks and repairs? How many?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:16 am
bad spelling in my 10:15…typed too fast
FrankLeeDarling
May 26th, 2010
10:16 am
Boy you cons must be happy that Katrina happened, what would you be clinging to if it hadn’t.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:17 am
“And of those experts how many of those are qualified in oil leaks and repairs? How many?”
I guess he skipped that while hiring a bunch of Chicago-bread buddies of his. Oops!
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:17 am
If Obama would just apologize for allowing this oil leak then we could all begin the healing process.
Finn McCool
May 26th, 2010
10:18 am
Peadawg wrote “bailing out banks and automakers”
Dude, get a clue already. He bailed out the automakers but, this late in the game and you still don’t know who was President when the banks were bailed out????
My 11 year old kid knows who was President in 2008!
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
10:19 am
Why hasn’t the POTUS engaged the services of geology and engineering professors to assist with a plan? You know, the teachers that taught the oil company geologists and engineers?
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:19 am
Peadawg,
How many Peadawg? How many government experts on oil leak and repairs are there in his cabinet.
Again, where do those experts work Peadawg? They work for the oil companies – it’s okay to admit your wrong.
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:19 am
Peadawg – 10:15 –
“The Coast Guard admiral coordinating the federal response to the Gulf Coast oil spill said Monday it would not make sense for the government to take over control of the accident from BP.
“To push BP out of the way … would raise the question, to replace them with what?” said Admiral Thad Allen at a White House press briefing. The government’s current relationship with BP, in which federal authorities oversee the company’s response, “is the way I think we should move forward,” Allen said. ”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/federal-response-to-oil-spill-comes-under-renewed-criticism.html
The USCG is acting and doing what they can to protect the beaches and help with the oil spill …
USinUK
May 26th, 2010
10:20 am
Bosch – 10:19 – and don’t forget about keeping deep-water drilling machinery in the white house garage …
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:20 am
“How many Peadawg? How many government experts on oil leak and repairs are there in his cabinet.”
I answered that question. Next?
Jackie
May 26th, 2010
10:21 am
The Repubs in Congress are beginning to show their inner feelings. After their meeting President Obama, they essentially said “he should not come to meetings with the grown-ups and men and women of superior intelligence and moral certitude.”
They did not have any other way of calling him “boy”, so it was decided that he did not belong in the same meeting with those ladies and gentlemen assembled for the President’s called meeting.
The President stated that he wanted to have bi-partisan, candid discussions with Congress to address problems relating to the citizens of this country. The Repubs used this meeting as a backhanded method to assail the President’s character and expose their own racist proclivities.
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
10:22 am
Peadawg and Outhouse are here to spread the lies that they are fed on AM Talk Radio by their favorite right wing Republican primary losers and their comrades.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:22 am
Peadawg,
No you didn’t you weaseled out of it with some smart ass comment about Chicago. How many government experts on oil leak and repairs are there in his cabinet.
WHAT SHOULD HE BE DOING THAT HE’S NOT ALREADY DOING?
Normal
May 26th, 2010
10:22 am
Scout, the UCMJ applies to everything involving the proper respect to a superior. Anything less is insubordination.
The thing is, like I said to a superior one time when he said I will respect him(as an order). My reply was, “No sir, Navy Regs say I have to respect the uniform; not the man inside it, sir”. And I was right too. As an aside, I left for my third tour shortly thereafter.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:24 am
“Peadawg and Outhouse are here to spread the lies that they are fed on AM Talk Radio by their favorite right wing Republican primary losers and their comrades.”
Shafee and Jefe on Project961 aren’t Republicans and it’s definitely not a talk show. Quit assuming.
“No you didn’t you weaseled out of it with some smart ass comment about Chicago. How many government experts on oil leak and repairs are there in his cabinet.”
My answer was the equivalent of 0. There, I spelled it out nice and neat. Even typed slower for you. Comprende?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:25 am
“The President stated that he wanted to have bi-partisan”
LOL…uh, ok. If he says so. Will be interesting to hear his statements on the Sestak issue.
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
10:26 am
Peadawg and Outhouse are here to spread the lies that they are fed on AM Talk Radio by their favorite right wing Republican primary losers and their comrades.
No assumptions needed.
Pennsylvanian
May 26th, 2010
10:26 am
Bosch – You really want to stand by your comment that ALL the experts work for oil companies?
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:27 am
I dont listen to AM radio…talk or otherwise. And I dont listen to XM either…what a ripoff this XM.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:28 am
“No assumptions needed.”
Oh boy. LOL!!!!! I listen to music on my way to work. Not talk radio. Quit assuming. Right Bosch? Listen to 96.1….definitely not talk radio.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:31 am
Pennsylvanian,
No, no all of them, but the ones best suited to deal with this work for the company — they know their equipment better than anyone.
Who the hell is the government supposed to call in to intervene? I think Clark Kent is busy right now.
Inquisition Daily, A Ye Olde Spanish Publication
May 26th, 2010
10:32 am
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:27 am
I dont listen to AM radio…talk or otherwise. And I dont listen to XM either…what a ripoff this XM.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:28 am
“No assumptions needed.”
Oh boy. LOL!!!!! I listen to music on my way to work. Not talk radio. Quit assuming. Right Bosch? Listen to 96.1….definitely not talk radio.
I thought you two would be flattered given that I merely emulate you. Now quit with the Talk Radio lies. Give us something worth reading. We can all tune in to AM trash talk ourselves if that is what we wanted to hear. And to think that you guys even spread those lies for free. I’m sure Hannity and company really appreciate it.
Union
May 26th, 2010
10:32 am
@outhouse –
on the sec of defense job offer.. I saw a video of gibbs response to this issue with various reporters asking the same question over a period of months.. first the response was.. I was out of the office.. so I don’t know what happened.. then it was.. need a little more time to research it.. lastly it was.. I have previously addressed that issue and I will not speak of it anymore..
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:33 am
For those who say, “What can he that he hasn’t done already”, what exactly has he done besides give a couple of press conferences blaming everyone else?
Gale
May 26th, 2010
10:34 am
Bosch, I bet the V could handle it. Obama should send out a call to them.
Jackie
May 26th, 2010
10:34 am
Dr. Stephen Chu, Secretary of Energy and Nobel Peace Prize winner in Physical, 1997, says he has assembled as staff of experts from Cal Tech, Cal Berkley, MIT, foreign countries and universities starting from the second day of the oil leak.
They have not been able to come up with a logical methods of stopping the leak to date.
http://www.energy.gov/organization/dr_steven_chu.htm
Jackie
May 26th, 2010
10:37 am
Dr. Chu was a Nobel Winner in Physics. Sorry for the typo.
Outhouse Gokart
May 26th, 2010
10:38 am
I think AquaMan or The Incredible Mr Limpet might be more appropriate than Clark Kent.
Jay
May 26th, 2010
10:38 am
Just for the record, Peadawg, and to finish our earlier conversation:
You agree that if the Dems had criticized the two Bushes and Reagan for missing a wreath-laying, that evidence will surface in the next day or two?
FrankLeeDarling
May 26th, 2010
10:38 am
some positive news upstairs folks
@@
May 26th, 2010
10:38 am
What you’re seeing is public perception. When Katrina hit, it was the public’s perception that Bush was unfazed.
With the oil spill, it’s the public’s perception that Obama appears unfazed
It’s all about the image projected.
I must say, although I wasn’t impressed with this Erickson fella’s comments, I’m disappointed to read that Obama is opting for a vacation over placing the wreath. Having said that, I still prefer Joe do it. If not Joe, then Michelle Obama, but she’s gonna be on vacation with her husband, so Joe’s a go.
Bosch
May 26th, 2010
10:40 am
Gale,
You bet!
Outhouse –
AquaMan – Damn I can’t believe I didn’t think of him first.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:41 am
Sure. But again, you’re assuming I was talking about just Democrats in the media. I’m sure, just there are some ignorant Rednecks that are coming down on Obama now but didn’t do it w/ Bush…there’s some ignorant African Americans on the other side that came down on Bush but give Obama a pass. Just sayin. And you know it’s true too.
AmVet
May 26th, 2010
10:41 am
OGK, you’re correct on this mattter, as usual.
Conventional AM/FM radio is death. I’ve not heard enough Sirius/XM to say with certainty, but suspect it is only a little better.
I listen to AmVet radio. Only the best stuff, only all the time.
(And very occasionally some NPR/classical on WABE…)
Jay
May 26th, 2010
10:45 am
Peadawg, I would certainly agree that both sides indulge in unfair attacks. No further evidence needed on that particular count.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2010
10:50 am
“Peadawg, I would certainly agree that both sides indulge in unfair attacks. No further evidence needed on that particular count.”
That was my point all along, Jay. So, to say IOKIYAR isn’t right.
Disgusted
May 26th, 2010
10:51 am
Conventional AM/FM radio is death. I’ve not heard enough Sirius/XM to say with certainty, but suspect it is only a little better.
Well, Sirius/XM is better because of no commercials—except for the commercials for themselves, run as TV theme songs modified to plug Sirius/XM.
Jay
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
Peadawg, you said explicitly that Dems had used the same line of attacks against presidents Reagan, Bush and Bush when they had skipped the wreath-laying.
I don’t think that’s true. I think that’s a particularly odious line of attack that Republicans use against Democrats, but that Democrats do not level at Republicans.
We’ll see.
godless heathen
May 26th, 2010
10:59 am
Sirrius/XM is waaaaaaay better than AM/FM. Worth every penny of the cost. I cannot listen to 5 minutes of AM or FM now without my head about exploding.
Dusty
May 26th, 2010
11:26 am
Awww …just another day at the blogging booth…
I liked President Bush. He did what he thought was best for the country no matter who liked it. a man of good character.
President Obama is not my favorite president. But he is not an oil disaster expert and I do not expect him to be. As far as I can see, the government is doing its part in working with BP. the admiral of the Coast Guard is an ideal spokesman. A stable “iron” man if ever I saw one.
Sooo…
President Bush is in no way responsible for Katrina. He doesn’t generate hurricanes. He followed the law on giving help. There are always things that can be done better.
President Obama is in no way responsible for a leaking oil well under the sea. He did not cause it. He is following protocol with the Coast Guard and whomever is assigned to such catastrophes.
BP is also doing all it can to stop the leak. Neither the government or BP can make a profit, save all lives, or have complete knowledge of such disasters. The experts are working on it. Armchair experts always say that “something could be done better”.
Forget it! For once, I agree with Bookman. Keep your fingers crossed and pray. That is the SENSIBLE thing to do., ’specially for those out there doing the dirty and dangerous work on this problem. Don’t forget them or the fishermen who are losing their income and their environment.. So many suffer!! Let us not aggrevate this tragedy with petty bickering.
Scout
May 26th, 2010
11:37 am
Normal:
I still think “shaking hands” would fall outside that but Ooo Rah!
md
May 26th, 2010
11:48 am
“Obama has given the appearance of being lacksadasical about this oil spill, with that being said, does anyone not believe that 8 years of bushism has contributed to this sorry state of regulation and enforcement?”
Just an excuse Mick. MMS was a mess coming in – well documented. If it wasn’t a day one priority for someone in this admin to make sure it was up to par, there is no way in hell one can blame that on Bush – not 16 months later.
jason
May 26th, 2010
1:14 pm
well it is 1:17 pm has anyone heard if the top kill has started and howit is goin… if your source is bp it is not worth the paper it is printed on
ncgreybr
May 26th, 2010
1:39 pm
Ya gotta luv it! The people who, last month, were screaming for the RFederal Government to get out of our lives, are now asking “where is the government and why aren’t they doing something?”
Which one are we gonna have, big government that takes care of us or little government and let the companies take care of us?
ncgreybr
May 26th, 2010
1:40 pm
BTW, I said “now asking” because I didn’t want to say “whining”.
Mike
May 26th, 2010
3:20 pm
Heckuva job, Brownie (2010).
Bob
May 26th, 2010
3:21 pm
Pray, but just make sure you don’t pray out loud in a public building, or a public school. Jay, didn’t you just write a piece that prayer has no place in government? Isn’t this a government operation? They had to approve the work.
Reverie
May 26th, 2010
3:30 pm
Look, I can’t stand either McCain or Obama. I think we need to drill but obviously this was a very bad screw up and it must be addressed. For those that think the President, no matter who they are, had anything to do with this, you are spewing ignorant nonsense. Calling it Bush or Cheney or Obama’s fault is just specious and reveals you care less about the environment and more about getting people to respond to your rhetoric. Personally, I have hated BP since they put a pipeline across my land. This doesn’t make they apt to “Friend” them any time soon. I think it was an accident and it will take years to fix it, but an accident just the same.
DemocratsRule!!!
May 26th, 2010
4:28 pm
The drill head will produce more heavy mud so the leak will backlash a portion of the dynamic pressure in order to stagnate the flow of seawater. In physics, this is known as a random, predeterministic predipation. There will be a fix to stop the highly pressurized black gold and BP will profit from it by offering it to other oil rig companies and Obama will take his share as ‘well’. There will be slight changes to the coastal areas in the coming months but nothing major. The fix is already cemented and we will see the oil pretty much disappear from the ocean. The heavy mud is good stuff as I have seen it – same stuff Bookman uses for his regular facials at the AJC Gym/Spa. Questions?
Thomas Paine
May 26th, 2010
5:49 pm
If I understand correctly, this is the first significant leak from an offshore well in forty-one years, yet the left-wing America-haters will use this as the reason to prohibit increased offshore drilling. So offshore oil will join nuclear power as verboten.
So someone please explain to me what we’re going to do for energy.
And yes, why not blame Obama and make this his Katrina. He’s destroying the United States in about every other way he can.
Thomas Paine
May 26th, 2010
5:50 pm
“The heavy mud is good stuff as I have seen it – same stuff Bookman uses for his regular facials at the AJC Gym/Spa.”
That’s funny. And quite possibly true.
Thomas Paine
May 26th, 2010
5:55 pm
“… massive amounts of rotting, toxic crap Mother Nature, in her wisdom, doesn’t generally loose upon her subjects but in bits and pieces here and there.”
Are you talking about Bookman’s columns?
Bud Wiser
May 27th, 2010
9:16 am
“Mick
May 26th, 2010
10:07 am
Obama has given the appearance of being lacksadasical about this oil spill, with that being said, does anyone not believe that 8 years of bushism has contributed to this sorry state of regulation and enforcement?
I knew that some idiot would eventually get around to blaming Bush; his type are too stupid and non-thinking not to….
JS
May 28th, 2010
1:21 am
Several of you are showing enormous stupidity in thinking that you understand what happened in New Orleans with Katrina. It wasn’t Bush, it wasn’t Nagin, it wasn’t people not wanting to evacuate. They wanted to but couldn’t, yet that is NOT the problem.
The problem was an ENGINEERING FAILURE of levees built by the Corps. Nothing more, nothing less. Engineering Failure of epic proportions, admitted by the Corps itself on June 1 2006.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/01/national/main1675244.shtml
Stop showing your ignorance.
pp02ytw
June 1st, 2010
7:17 am
I really dont see how this is Obama’s fault?? Surely this would’ve occurred whoever the president is.. are you guys really that thick??