The political calendar dictates odd approach to DADT

Congress, the White House and the Pentagon have agreed to a rather complicated dance that come December should end in the abolition of the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy toward gay Americans serving openly in the military.

Under the agreement, a bill stripping the policy from federal law would be put to a vote quickly, but if passed would not take effect until a Pentagon study is completed and released, a step expected to occur Dec. 1.

Then, once Defense Secretary Robert Gates and President Obama get the report and certify that the change would not harm military readiness, the change would take effect and DADT would fade into the history books alongside Jim Crow laws and other discriminatory legislation.

But why the odd scheduling? It’s almost certainly an attempt to resolve a conflict between two timetables.

The Pentagon’s report is due Dec. 1. But a month before that, the nation goes to the polls, and even the more optimistic of Democrats acknowledge they are likely to lose seats in Congress if not outright control. Bluntly put, the White House and Democratic leaders in Congress have looked ahead and worry that when they finally get the Pentagon’s report, they won’t have the votes to implement it legislatively.

The solution? You pass a bill now, when you may still have the votes to do so, but delay it to ensure the Pentagon still gets its say. It’s a convoluted, jury-rigged, side-door means of killing a convoluted, jury-rigged side-door policy.

307 comments Add your comment

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
1:22 pm

Well, whatever it takes to get rid of the stoopid.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:26 pm

What Bosch said!

RB from Gwinnett

May 25th, 2010
1:28 pm

Hey Jay, how about you explain to us why we’re wasting money and resources on the report if they’re going to change the law now anyway meaning the details of the report are irrelevant.

I wonder if they’ll allow sexual harrassment lawsuits by straight men being hit on by gay men? And will they just eliminate the separate quarters for women since sexual orientation no longer matters?

thomas

May 25th, 2010
1:29 pm

Bosch,

from downstairs……… lil thomas is doing fine, he is very healthy as is his mommy. His older brother is overjoyed with the arrival. Very tired though, very, very tired. Then a long day and night of recruiting about 6hrs away has me beat.

Also,

I agreeed with what both you and SoCo said. But tell me how when I said it my words were made to be I want the economy to fail?

Bookman are you saying that its okay to bew tricky and underhanded if its for a cause you believe in?

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

Good riddance to legalized discrimination. I find it hard to believe that members of the “Don’t Tread On Me!” party (and their sub-party) are still supporting “personal freedom” and “less government intrusion” for only select groups of citizens and not for everybody. But then, if it’s even remotely possible, subvert the bazturds and put an end to the nonsense. I mean “FREEDOM” isn’t just for rich execs, it’s for gay soldiers too, right?

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:33 pm

Thomas,
Answered you downstairs if you missed it…

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:34 pm

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
1:31 pm

FREEDOM is for EVERYBODY!!! (as long as Big Brother isn’t watching)

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
1:34 pm

Kinda like HCare…lets pass it now and read it later.

Makes sense to me.

Peadawg

May 25th, 2010
1:36 pm

What Outhouse said @ 1:34^^^^^

RB from Gwinnett

May 25th, 2010
1:36 pm

Matilda, I assume you would also be fine with men having free access to the restroom you are using and there being no stalls or dividers? Access to your shower too? What’s the difference?

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
1:41 pm

Agreed RB…this DADT thing may finally tear down those obtrusive, oppressive shower stalls and separate restroom facilities. Afterall those are discriminatory.

“We were born to love one another
This is something we all need

We were born to wash one another
We must be what we’re going to be
and thats FRRREEEEE!!!!”

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
1:42 pm

thomas,

The older thomas jr – overjoyed? That will change. :-) He’ll soon be like – okay, this little guy is cute and all, but it’s time to take him back – you DID save the receipt, right? But I do not envy you (or Mrs. thomas) that exhaustion – there’s nothing quite like that kind or level of tired. But glad to hear all is well. May the Force be with you.

“But tell me how when I said it my words were made to be I want the economy to fail?”

I’m not sure I read anything any posts that implied that or said it directly. I might have missed them though. That’s possible I was skipping through.

But like I wrote earlier, I saw many very convincing arguments that we had to bail out the banks – by people who knew alot more about $$$ than I – and math – I don’t do math – but there is a part of me that will always be – yeah, but we should have let ‘em. I guess I’m a fatalist like that. “OH yeah? The economy will collapse? Well let’s just see about that. ”

“Bookman are you saying that its okay to bew tricky and underhanded if its for a cause you believe in?”

Won’t speak for Bookman – but as for me – you bet! Obama didn’t do all that work to be POTUS for naught son! Hehehehehe!

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
1:44 pm

Oh my freaking God:

Gays being discriminated against vs. bathroom stalls.

Will the stoopid never stop?

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:46 pm

RB from Gwinnett

May 25th, 2010
1:36 pm

You can really make a leap there… :shock:

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
1:46 pm

Normal,

Leaping lizards!

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
1:47 pm

RB, your presumptive imagination is disturbing. Please stop speaking of me in the naked tense. Soldiers share facilities without falling to pieces. Are you a solider? If not, then why are you projecting your issues onto everyone else?

Eric

May 25th, 2010
1:48 pm

RB, the difference is gay men are not women and gay women are not men….you mo freaking ron!

Normal

May 25th, 2010
1:49 pm

Eric

May 25th, 2010
1:48 pm

:D

Foxy Lady is #1

May 25th, 2010
1:50 pm

Just like health care. Pass it now and later tell the losers to: SUCK IT!!!

@@

May 25th, 2010
1:54 pm

Mistakenly dropped this off at Kyle’s.

So one could argue that Obama’s motives are not altogether altruistic? Kinda like putting Obamacare(s) without figuring out a way to fund it. Kinda like putting Cap & Tax before the economy and JOBS!

Kinda like those “altruistic efforts”?

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
1:54 pm

Love the transparency. Let’s hurry up and ram more junk legislation nobody wants down the throats of the people. Then later on we can figure out what exactly we passed so we can start working on how to fix it. That way we can “show” the people “how much we are accomplishing” even though it won’t actually take effect until after the election and the solution is worse than the problem.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
1:55 pm

RW, why should straight men get any more attention for unwanted sexual advances than women get?

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
1:56 pm

“Let’s hurry up and ram more junk legislation nobody wants down the throats of the people.”

JKL2, really? You’re implying this to be junk legislation that nobody wants?

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
1:56 pm

People who choose to be perverts shouldn’t serve.

Just thought I’d get that out of the way early.

@@

May 25th, 2010
1:57 pm

Got dead threaded downstairs. I’ll drop this off and then I’m out.

Just read an interesting article over at Discovery Network….”The Impact of Hurricanes on Oil Spills”. Depending on the direction, they can be advantageous or detrimental. A big blow can act to disperse the oil 150 meters down. Some scientists have argued that dispersing oil on the ocean’s surface would diminish the power of a hurricane.

It makes ‘ya wonder….if nature has the ability to correct the wrongs, why don’t they duplicate it? Pack that sucker by layering the same geological materials they drilled thru.

Just a thought.

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
1:59 pm

JLK2’s imagery is interesting. I’m not sure how ending discrimination translates to the kind of activities his metaphors suggest, but I think I’ll leave that to the gutter-minded bloggers for their continued personal amusement.

@@

May 25th, 2010
2:00 pm

One more thing…if Obama/dems are all about stepping over investigative panels, why not jump out in front on the oil spill?

Just a question.

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:01 pm

Getting rid of DADT will then lead to gay marriage and giving spouse benefits to the domestic partners. As long as we go the checkbook open they might as well keep writing. Isn’t like we’re ever going to be able to pay it off anyway.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:02 pm

“Getting rid of DADT will then lead to gay marriage and giving spouse benefits to the domestic partners.”

So?

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:04 pm

Off topic, but okay AJC, this is gross – just saw this headline:

“Man admits to vomit assault at ball game”

No way I’m clicking that – and why in the world would you print a story about it? Gross. Just gross.

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
2:04 pm

“Getting rid of DADT will then lead to gay marriage and giving spouse benefits to the domestic partners.”

So?

Slippery slope–next thing you know someone will want to marry a dog.

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:05 pm

Bosch – You’re implying this to be junk legislation that nobody wants?

Yes. Unlike your administration, I’ll wait to pass judgment until I actually read the bill. I have serious doubts this will lead to anything good.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:05 pm

Oh yeah, It’s sure to cost money, so let’s just keep on discriminating.

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:05 pm

WHOA…On second thought with some of the water buffalos I seeing running rampant round here at work…mmm…lets hold off on the UniSex restroom thing. Perhaps that could be Part Deux of the DADT repeal or better addressed in Obi 2nd term.

moonbat betty

May 25th, 2010
2:06 pm

Should they not pass immigration reform now while they still have the votes to do so?

RB from Gwinnett

May 25th, 2010
2:06 pm

Matilda, why are you descriminating against men by not allowing them in your shower? If sexual orientation doesn’t matter, why do you care? Stop being a man hater.

stands for decibels

May 25th, 2010
2:07 pm

Slippery slope–next thing you know someone will want to marry a dog.

As is common practice in them Skandernavyian countries.

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:08 pm

Well since you brougth it up…Sweden or was it Norway…one of them legalized beastiality at the same time they legalized homosexuality. During the 1950s…

Discriminating against animal lovers it not fair.

U know those EmU’s…always on the liberal edge.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm

Kamchak,

Yes, yes, of course. Or a water buffalo.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm

Well, I’m just glad Scout is old and is liable not to live long enough to see soldiers and Marines holding hands when they get off of the plane and come home. This is what you get when you elect a librul and one of Those People to boot as President of the U.S. of A. And those old Sgts. that use to say all the threats about what is going to happen to you if you get caught doing You Know What with another man are going to need to learn some new material. Expect lots of suicides in the military in the next few months.

The only hope is the godly Republicans are meeting in Washington to come up with a new Contract on America. One of the planks will probly be repeal of the repeal of DADT. The other planks will be alot of stuff that sounds good to voters but that the Republicans have no intent of doing, just like the last time.

And the best news of all is old Newt said in a innerview that him and his wife are talking about running for President but ain’t decided nothing yet. That means it’s a lead-pipe cinch Newt will run. Newt for President and Sara for VP. They can’t lose. Heck, we’ll be back to the good old days of the 1950s before you know it!

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm

Unlike your administration, I’ll wait to pass judgment until I actually read the bill.

Oh, I wasn’t aware it was your job to pass judgement. If your job description requires you to make decisions on the civil liberties of selected American citizens, you should have said so up front.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm

Y’know, in all the complaints about repealing DADT, I have never heard a female service person whine about sharing shower facilities with a lesbian. Man up guys. Those gays just aren’t that into you.

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm

Correct MoonBetty. They should not.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:10 pm

“next thing you know someone will want to marry a dog.”

Redneck? Would you care to comment? I mean I’ll bet you have some very fine hunting dogs.

Bowser

May 25th, 2010
2:10 pm

Marry a Dog? Already did that…Oh, wait…you meant a real dog…

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

bosch-

Spouse benefits are intended to help with the nuclear family. Having a domestic partner is not a family in that child bearing ability has been taken out of the equation.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

“If your job description requires you to make decisions on the civil liberties of selected American citizens, you should have said so up front.”

MATILDA DELIVERS A SMACK DOWN!! Good job.

theyeshaveit

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

JKL2 said, Getting rid of DADT will then lead to gay marriage and giving spouse benefits to the domestic partners. As long as we go the checkbook open they might as well keep writing. Isn’t like we’re ever going to be able to pay it off anyway.

That bankrupt pseudo logic is as old as the hills. Sounds like a line from “Reefer Madness” – smoking leads to marijuana use which leads to heroine use……etc etc.

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:11 pm

Gale you shower with whom u prefer. I prefer to shower with the women and/or lipstick lesbians. Im sure the gay fellows and “manly” lesbians are all swell people, however, I prefer to not shower with them. OH nor the water buffalos either, no matter what their sexual persuasion.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:12 pm

JKL2,

Okay, we get it – you hate the gays. Now we can move on.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:12 pm

JKL2, “child bearing ability has been taken out of the equation.” Not necessarily.

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:13 pm

“smoking leads to marijuana use which leads to heroine use……etc etc.”

Well it is kindve a progressive thing. One doesnt start out a heroine junkie…do they?

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:13 pm

Pssst. Gale — Methinks JKL2 doesn’t get that some gay people have kids and all – I know, I know — shocking. :shock:

moonbat betty

May 25th, 2010
2:14 pm

maybe Crisco parties will make a comeback?

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:14 pm

OGK, How about we stick to the separated shower facilities by gender, and leave sex out of it?

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
2:15 pm

RB,

I asked you nicely to stop speaking of me in the naked tense. With whom I share my shower is not at issue, as much as you’d like it to be. The topic pertains to ending legalized discrimination against gay members of our armed forces. Once again, please withdraw your inappropriately intrusive analogies to my personal hygeinic practices.

stands for decibels

May 25th, 2010
2:15 pm

When I saw Jay’s piece, I thought he’d missed something fairly recent–news reports that had Scott Brown as a holdout–but I see now that Joementum says he’ll probably come around…

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/05/25/lieberman-optimistic-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell/

But who knows.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:15 pm

JKL2,

Be afraid, be very afraid….The Gays are coming! The Gays are coming!

theyeshaveit

May 25th, 2010
2:15 pm

JKL2 said, Getting rid of DADT will then lead to gay marriage and giving spouse benefits to the domestic partners. As long as we go the checkbook open they might as well keep writing. Isn’t like we’re ever going to be able to pay it off anyway.

That bankrupt psuedo logic is as old as the hills. It reminds me of “Reefer Madness” mentality – smoking leads to marijuana which leads to heroine which,,,etc etc,

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:16 pm

Redneck – Expect lots of suicides in the military in the next few months.

It is a serious subject, but our joke is “if I have to go to one more “suicide prevention” class I’m going to kill myself.”

theyeshaveit

May 25th, 2010
2:16 pm

Sorry, I re-posted, because I got a message that the AJC server was down. My bad.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:17 pm

No, no Davy, You’re supposed to kiss the GIRL and Rassle the BEAR, dang it!

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:18 pm

I think it will be interesting to compare the number of service men and women who leave the service voluntarily because they must serve with gays to the number of gays discharged just because they are gay.

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
2:20 pm

smoking leads to marijuana use which leads to heroine use…

As long as it’s Lara Croft, I’m OK with that.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:20 pm

Gale.
I always thought that “Save water, shower with a friend” was a really cool idea…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 25th, 2010
2:20 pm

OK, I’ll sacrifice myself as my Christian duty. Y’all leave the hunting dogs alone and I’ll shower with Matilda. Deal?

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:21 pm

Bosch- Okay, we get it – you hate the gays. Now we can move on.

Don’t bother me a bit. Know several of them in uniform and have even lived with a couple when I was in college. Doesn’t mean I need to support their lifestyle with my tax dollars.

I understand some homosexuals have kids. They are a dependant of the service member and are covered by current policy. Their domestic part is not and I believe they should not.

Hudson's Rock

May 25th, 2010
2:21 pm

Always fun to watch straight men froth with irrational fears based on their unrealized fantasies of homoerotic shower antics…

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:22 pm

“Expect lots of suicides in the military in the next few months.”

Oh my freaking God. :roll:

williebkind

May 25th, 2010
2:22 pm

Matilda

May 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
Discrimination? You mean two fellows can not kiss and make out today? Or two women can not role play as one woman and one man? Discrimination? Ah you mean that people are not excepting homosexual behavior as NORMAL and that means they are discrimating. I guess you discriminate against groups you do not consider the main stream progressives with a narrow view of individual rights compared to social behavior.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:23 pm

It can’t be America, and not have equal rights for ALL Americans, period!

Doggone/GA

May 25th, 2010
2:23 pm

“Doesn’t mean I need to support their lifestyle with my tax dollars.”

Which “lifestyle”?

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:24 pm

JKL2, Well then, it’s time to be rid of that nuisance “domestic partner” issue too, isn’t it. Shall we also repeal DOMA and let gays marry like real citizens?

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:24 pm

Hudson’s Rock

May 25th, 2010
2:21 pm

Most are just afraid that they won’t “measure up”.

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:24 pm

“I guess you discriminate against groups you do not consider the main stream progressives with a narrow view of individual rights compared to social behavior.”

I most certainly do and lovingly refer to them as dumbasses.

williebkind

May 25th, 2010
2:24 pm

Yep my family will not serve in the military any more. That ends over a 100yrs of service. I guess you liberials will have to take up the slack. Remember Obama wants you not to shoot first without giving them a chance to escape or change their hearts. Reframe!

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:26 pm

Psst. williebkind, hate to break it to ya’ but there’s been gays in the military since day one of the Revolution.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:27 pm

“Doesn’t mean I need to support their lifestyle with my tax dollars.”

You mean the lifestyle they chose by enlisting in the military to serve their country and protect you and me? That lifestyle?

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:27 pm

most certainly do and lovingly refer to them as dumbasses.

Bosch,
Be nice…that’s Mister and Missus Dumbass…

theyeshaveit

May 25th, 2010
2:28 pm

Kamchak, ah you caught my spello. So, you are a video game guy, are you?.

ken R

May 25th, 2010
2:29 pm

This blog picks up where C.T.’s left off, let’s get original. I have nothing against gays serving, I just don’t want to know.
Please explain what openly serving means? can they were pink helmets or what?
Jay probabaly wouldn’t like a woman watching him take a whiz nor would I like a gay male watching me. Just don’t tell me your sexual preference I don’t need to know and neither does the rest of the world.

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
2:29 pm

I guess you discriminate against groups you do not consider the main stream progressives with a narrow view of individual rights compared to social behavior.

Uh—no. I just don’t want my sister marrying one.

williebkind

May 25th, 2010
2:29 pm

Bosch

May 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
“I most certainly do and lovingly refer to them as dumbasses.”

Well if you have that privaledge, then those who do not want to repeal DADT have the same view toward you as you do toward them. Aint America great at this time. But progessives are trying to change it fast. Cant we just get along and be NORMAL.

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:30 pm

Gale- Shall we also repeal DOMA and let gays marry like real citizens?

Marry all you want. Just don’t make me pay benefits for a couple starting a family when it is physically impossible for them to start one.

theyeshaveit

May 25th, 2010
2:31 pm

From JKL2 Don’t bother me a bit. Know several of them in uniform and have even lived with a couple when I was in college. Doesn’t mean I need to support their lifestyle with my tax dollars.

I get it. This is all about tax dollars. Clear as mud.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:32 pm

ken R, serving openly means not fearing discharge for something like a photo of your partner in your locker, or where ever it is appropriate to keep such thing. Serving openly means not having to make up a girlfriend or boyfriend when your squad mates are talking about their lovers, wives and husbands. Things like that. Uniforms will not change. Don’t be foolish.

Kamchak

May 25th, 2010
2:32 pm

Kamchak, ah you caught my spello. So, you are a video game guy, are you?.

Nope–video games came in after my time.It’s the only role that I liked Ms. Jolie in.

Hudson's Rock

May 25th, 2010
2:33 pm

“Just don’t tell me your sexual preference I don’t need to know and neither does the rest of the world.”

What a dumb@ss comment When you carry a picture of your partner in your wallet, kiss them goodbye before deployment, when you list them as your next of kin or send them an email, you are telling the world your sexual orientation…and it should be same for everyone…except for people who make dumb@ss comments like that.

JKL2

May 25th, 2010
2:34 pm

bosch- hate to break it to ya’ but there’s been gays in the military since day one of the Revolution.

Don’t tell that to the Afghanistan general who had 12 year old boys wearing full makeup serving tea.

stands for decibels

May 25th, 2010
2:36 pm

I have nothing against gays serving, I just don’t want to know.

If you don’t want to know, then you have something against gays serving.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:36 pm

I’m a supporter of gay rights. And not a closet supporter either. From the time I was a kid, I have never been able to understand attacks upon the gay community. There are so many qualities that make up a human being… by the time I get through with all the things that I really admire about people, what they do with their private parts is probably so low on the list that it is irrelevant.
Paul Newman

Scout

May 25th, 2010
2:37 pm

“Congress, the White House and the Pentagon have agreed to a rather complicated dance”

Maybe they just like “dancing” with each other ?

P.S.

Man for man and unit for unit the United States Marine Corps has the best fighters this country has ever sent into combat ……………. and thus from the Commandant on down they are the only one of the five services really against this.

Want to ruin a great organization? Have at it ………………..

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:38 pm

“maybe Crisco parties will make a comeback?”

As long as its Butter Flavored Crisco!!

TGL

May 25th, 2010
2:38 pm

Man, I just love those girls that are about the age of 14. I just love looking at them and touching them as they are developing into young women. You know back in the day, men used to marry girls that were that young. There is nothing wrong with me being attracted to young teens. It is the way I was made. I didn’t choose to be attracted to young teens. I do however make the choice to act on my attaction. Sound familiar?

Outhouse GoKart

May 25th, 2010
2:39 pm

“Congress, the White House and the Pentagon have agreed to a rather complicated dance”

Perhaps its only the gay reps doing the dancing…ya know gettin us prepared…

RB from Gwinnett

May 25th, 2010
2:39 pm

Matilda, mighty “tolerant” of you there. You fuss about me sticking my nose in your shower habits, but thats EXACTLY what you are doing to every straight man in the service. Rather arrogant of you. FYI, I would bet you most straight men feel the same way about showering with gay men as you do about showering with men. Think about it for a change.

Gale

May 25th, 2010
2:40 pm

TGL, might have something to do with the jail sentence attached to acting on that attraction.

Normal

May 25th, 2010
2:42 pm

Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich were shaking hands congratulating themselves on the introduction of an antigay bill in Congress. If it passes, they won’t be able to shake hands, because it will then be illegal for a pr*ck to touch an @sshole.
Judy Carte

TGL

May 25th, 2010
2:42 pm

Gale, it is the way I was made I can’t help it. Do you think they will discriminate against me and put me in jail? Really? That would be discrimination. I didn’t choose to be this way.