The abuse of heavenly prayer for earth-bound politics
Last week, as the Texas Board of Education prepared to finalize controversial new textbook standards, board member Cynthia Dunbar was asked to offer the opening prayer.
Here’s what she said:
“Most gracious heavenly Father. We come before you today, and ask that you grant to us the ability not to be anxious for the future, wisdom and understanding for the day, and hearts of gratitude for our past. As we look to our past to guide us, let us reflect on the convictions of those who have gone before us. I believe that nobody can look to the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses. Whether we look to the first charter of Virginia, or the charter of New England or the Charter of Massachusetts Bay, or the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, the same objective is present: a Christian land governed by Christian principles.”
I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it. Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people. I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country. All this I pray in the name of my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.”
When I came to Georgia 20 years ago, I found the practice of opening almost every governmental meeting with prayer a little startling. I had worked as a journalist in every other section of the country, and had never seen it done so often. Even subcommittee meetings at the state Legislature are often begun with an invitation to pray.
Most of the time, the prayers amount to pleas for wisdom and guidance in decision-making, and only the eager-to-be-offended could find much to criticize. Occasionally, prayer leaders become much more specific and fervent, for example pledging all in attendance to obey the teachings of Jesus Christ in how they vote. That’s more troubling.
You are, after all, speaking to an audience of diverse beliefs, not to a congregation of the same-minded. A citizen should not be compelled to take part in religious activities contrary to his or her beliefs as a price for participating in government. All are supposed to stand on level ground in that setting.
And once in a while, you’ll get somebody who really abuses the privilege and uses the prayer to make explicitly political statements, as Dunbar did last week.
Let’s side aside the political and historical content of Dunbar’s prayer, which is of course highly debatable in its own right. What I find more outrageous is her decision to smuggle that content into the form of a prayer that others in attendance were required to listen to silently, heads bowed, as if in agreement, with no dissent allowed.
She was not using the prayer to talk to God, which ought to be its purpose; she was using it to tell others what God would say to them if He was there.
Personally, I find it highly offensive to watch people place their own political viewpoints into the mouth of God, in effect turning God into their personal sock puppet. Whatever your concept of a Supreme Being, you cheapen it by drafting Him as a megaphone for your own political views, and to do so in that kind of setting.
Government and religion are each very powerful in its own realm, and if allowed to join in mutual purpose they constitute an overpowering force that inevitably, always tries to sweep away all dissenting views. Dunbar speaks fervently about the lessons of the past; the lessons of the past in that regard are distressingly clear, as our Founding Fathers knew from direct and recent experience.
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Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
8:45 am
“And once in a while, you’ll get somebody who really abuses the privilege and uses the prayer to make explicitly political statements,”
Kinda like the stunt pulled by Useless Lowery during Obamas coronation.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
8:45 am
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”
Amen, hallelujah, and pass the ammunition !
Jay:
If you want to see some REAL abuse, how about Washington’s Inaugural Prayer to the nation ?
“Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large.
And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.”
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
8:47 am
I pray for the answer to seepage…
Finn McCool
May 24th, 2010
8:47 am
Sad. Scary. We could call this an “instructional prayer”
joan
May 24th, 2010
8:48 am
Well, I believe that prayer has always held a place in our history, but I do think she went a little overboard in her statement about what our founding fathers “thought” and did, so while prayer for guidance was fine, moving into political speech during a prayer is not. I have to believe she did what she felt right, and those listening heard what they wanted to hear, and common sensical people would say there is after all freedom of speech in this country, so even if she had exorted the devil to help with the deliberations she would have been within her rights.
Finn McCool
May 24th, 2010
8:49 am
Oh, wait this is Texas. Nevermind.
You can’t expect much more from such a backward state.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
8:49 am
When I came to Georgia 20 years ago, I found the practice of opening almost every governmental meeting with prayer a little startling.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought it was — well, “startling” wasn’t the term I used, I thought and still think it’s utterly FUBAR.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
8:49 am
What is it exactly about the prayer that you have a problem with? I think it’s an excellent prayer.
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” – Amen!
Jay
May 24th, 2010
8:49 am
Well gee, Scout, so you’ve got George Washington pleading with God to “cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government” in the American people.
Imagine if Barack Obama had offered that prayer.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 24th, 2010
8:50 am
Well, if you can’t use God to make your political point, what good is religion? I mean, our preacher down at the Church of Holiness does it every Sunday and also at prayer meeting on Wednesday. We need more prayer, not less. It’s what makes us Republicans so much holier than the godless librul Democrats.
I was just thinking this a.m. that prayer might could be the answer to this awful oil spill down in the Gulf. We could fly Sonny and his preachers down there and they could get together and pray and I bet the oil would stop gushing lickety-split. It worked for rain and it’ll work for oil. But I think we ought to charge Louisiana for the air fare. I mean, fair is fair.
Have a good day everybody.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
8:50 am
Matthew 6:5-8 (New International Version)
5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
nuff said.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
8:51 am
“…political viewpoints into the mouth of God, in effect turning God into their personal sock puppet.”
This is nothing new…Pastors, ministers, reverends, bishops do this sort of thing everyday…
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
8:53 am
Nice way of picking and choosing verses, USinUK. Responses to public prayer have become VERY predictable. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what she did. Don’t bow your head…nobody’s forcing you to.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
8:56 am
The only thing to do is to outlaw all religion, and all public prayer!
If you want rain, do a rain dance!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
8:57 am
USinUK, are you also against prayer before a sporting event? Grace at the dinner table at Thanksgiving, or any dinner for that matter?
Chaps
May 24th, 2010
8:57 am
Very true. Putting politics into public prayer is a bad thing to do…. unless you are a black political candidate speaking in a black church during Sunday services, then it’s just fine.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
8:58 am
Normal, go to China or Cuba if you’re going to start spewing that sh*t. And you wonder why y’all are labeled as communists?
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
8:58 am
Peadawg – 8:53 – I la-la-LOVE how people who claim to believe every word the bible says conveniently ignore the things that they don’t like.
if you believe that the gospel is the word of Christ (and that Christ is your savior), then shouldn’t you … you know … pay attention to what he said???
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
8:58 am
“Picking and choosing” verses that completely support the main contention of the blog post…
Perhaps you can regale us with some verses that support hypocrisy, hyperbole, and partisan pandering in public prayers?
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
8:59 am
Peadawg – “USinUK, are you also against prayer before a sporting event? Grace at the dinner table at Thanksgiving, or any dinner for that matter?”
if players want to pray for their own safety (or the slaughter of the opposing team), then I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with led prayer by a coach.
and do you honestly want to compare a family asking for the blessing of a meal to a government official praying before a public meeting? really and for true???
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:00 am
This sort of thing is done every Sunday morning in every church across the land…ministers, reverends allowing themselves to be Gods mouthpiece.
Now back in the day it may have meant something, however, nowadays any idiot can mail in $19.99 and obtain a theological certificate proclaiming their status as “Nearest my God to Thee” or join some Christian/Muslim magazine club and become nominated for “Most likely to walk in the footsteps of Jesus/MoHammed”…as the case may be.
WhoCares
May 24th, 2010
9:00 am
Who Cares?
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:00 am
Prayer should be a one-on-one with your personal G*d. I’ll give her some credit. She used the phrase “I believe” during her historical journey. What she believes is true in that it’s her beliefs, but those beliefs do not have to be historically accurate for them to be her heart-felt beliefs.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:00 am
USinUK, yes. Let’s stone our children for being bad. Women should obey their husband. Sure, let’s pay attention to EVERYTHING that the bible says. *rolls eyes*
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:02 am
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
8:59 am
You’re the one that pulled Matthew 6:5-8 out. It was a simple question. According to what you posted, you should be against grace at Thanksgiving dinner as well since it’s not in the closet by yourself. Or, are you conveniently ignoring things you don’t like as well?
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:03 am
Perhaps had she chosen a “Real” minister to pray that may have given her more legitimacy…*Ahem*
larry
May 24th, 2010
9:03 am
Congress (the government) shall not promote one religion . Period. No black or white. No ifs, and, or buts.
If you would would like a theological govenment, look at Iraq, Iran , Saudi Arabia. I dont want government in my church, and i do not want my church in my government. And that includes school.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:05 am
Agreed Larry…and I dont want chocolate on my peanut butter NOR peanut butter on my chocolate….
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
9:05 am
if you believe that the gospel is the word of Christ (and that Christ is your savior), then shouldn’t you … you know … pay attention to what he said???
Sigh. UnU, don’t you understand that Pea and Scout worship Republican Jesus?
Totally different guy from that namby-pamby hippie Brother Jesus. Sheesh.
Icarus
May 24th, 2010
9:05 am
It’s a shame you didn’t attend more Republican party meetings in the late 80’s and early 90’s Jay. It’s one thing to hear someone invoke God’s will as a proxy for their own. It’s quite another to have three people try it at the same time with totally different opinions/agendas, each demanding that we listen to them and their direct instructions from God.
As for me, I try to also remember the part of scripture about false prophets as well as money changers in the temple.
And finally, there are a lot of us who are Christian and Republican who are willing to speak out and say that my God is strong enough to overcome political differences, so we’ll let government be government, but I’d prefer not to continue to sully my religion by mixing the two.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:05 am
Peadawg – “Sure, let’s pay attention to EVERYTHING that the bible says. *rolls eyes*”
really? christ said to stone your children??? I must have missed that day in sunday school …
(but thanks for proving my point that there are a lot of people who LOVE to quote the Bible for **some** issues, but totally ignore it for others)
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:05 am
Chaps
What about the Christian Right? Should that “Organization” even exist then? Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, and others have used religion to push a political agenda and the Republican party whole-heartedly embraced it.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. However, don’t attempt to push your beliefs on me. We may not believe in the same thing.
Paul
May 24th, 2010
9:06 am
Jay
Remember the 20% rule…..
“What I find more outrageous is her decision to smuggle that content into the form of a prayer that others in attendance were required to listen to silently, heads bowed, as if in agreement, with no dissent allowed.”
Maybe if they wanted to exhibit good manners. One of ‘em could have opened his or her eyes and sat down. Then when it came time for the discussion, could’ve looked up and said “What’s that, God? You want me to vote how on that resolution. Really? Okay, got it” then gone on addressing the Board.
Nothing like a little timely mockery.
Speaking of which
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Finn McCool
May 24th, 2010
8:49 am
Oh, wait this is Texas. Nevermind.
You can’t expect much more from such a backward state.”
Nothing like a continuing demonstration of left-wing prejudice.
Maybe someday the rest of the states will approach this level of backwardness:
(Texas) “far outpaces the 49 other states in wind power, with 9,506 megawatts of generation capacity in place and thousands more humongous, breeze-capturing turbines expected to be erected in West Texas, the Panhandle, South Texas and perhaps even off the Gulf Coast in the coming decade.
The six largest U.S. wind farms all are in Texas. If it were a nation, it would rank sixth among the world’s nearly 200 countries in wind-generation capacity.”
Then this morning I also read about the new mass transit rail lines expected to come on line, connecting Dallas and Ft Worth communities (not one major metroplex, but two) in the next couple of years. In addition to what’s already there.
Backward is good.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
9:07 am
Sure, let’s pay attention to EVERYTHING that the bible says. *rolls eyes*
Isn’t that “Good Christians” are supposed to do?
Stop it, you’re killing me!
BTW, you Christians are sooooo thin skined. Can’t even recognize sarcasm when you read it.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:07 am
Peadawg – “According to what you posted, you should be against grace at Thanksgiving dinner as well since it’s not in the closet by yourself”
nice try … I take it that you have your thanksgiving dinner on street corners out in public???
(5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men)
larry
May 24th, 2010
9:07 am
Well, dont buy Reece’s .
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:07 am
We all need to “Pray more Attention” to these State sponsored religious events.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:07 am
This Friday is also “Prayday”.
Jay
May 24th, 2010
9:08 am
Actually, Peadawg, that’s incorrect.
Several years ago, back when Tom Murphy was still speaker of the Ga. House, I was in the press gallery at the House, a glassed-off room adjoining the back of the House chamber.
It was morning, before the day’s session started, and I was back there alone going through some bills when the minister of the day was introduced. He began his prayer, and the members of the Legislature rose and bowed their heads.
I could hear the minister over the intercom, so I stopped work and bowed my head as well until he was finished.
Later that day, I was accosted by House security and was told that unless I also STOOD for the prayer, I would be barred permanently from the House chamber. I’m sure the order had to come from Murphy himself, although the guard refused to tell me who had issued it.
We got into quite a little yelling match in the hallway and there’s no way the state could have won that battle in court, either on free press or free religion grounds.
But as a journalist, I didn’t want to become the center of what would probably become a very nasty legal battle and news story. So I just stayed out of the press room each morning until after the prayers were said.
In other words, don’t try to tell me that participation isn’t coerced.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:08 am
“However, don’t attempt to push your beliefs on me. We may not believe in the same thing.”
That’s fine. Don’t bow your head. Y’all are getting worked up over nothing this Monday morning. Bad weekend? Who’s forcing you to bow you’re head? The way y’all are whining, it sounds like to need to be going to the police. Not blogging on AJC.com.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:08 am
“I will gladly pray for you thursday for the price of a hamburger today.”
Finn McCool
May 24th, 2010
9:08 am
I don’t think any of us liberals have any problems with people praying in their own houses.
You want government to be run efficiently, more like a business? I’ve never seen anyone in a business begging for guidance or rain from unseen forces. But you conservatives don’t really know what you want.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:09 am
dB – 9:05 – yep … I’m more of a long-haired hippy Jesus / Vatican II gal, myself … but, hey, what do I know … evidently, the sermon on the mount included the phrase “I got mine” in there somewhere but it never made it into our translation …
larry
May 24th, 2010
9:09 am
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. However, don’t attempt to push your beliefs on me. We may not believe in the same thing.
AMEN! SoCo
Mr. Snarky
May 24th, 2010
9:10 am
She should have added “oh, and God please smite my enemies and let me win the pie baking contest because Linda Sue is clearly in league with the Devil, and while I’m at it, please send me a new Ipad for my birthday”.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:10 am
J, you were very lucky. Its a wonder they didnt take you out back for a “laying on of hands”.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:10 am
USinUK @ 9:07
Maybe you should pick this verse from your post instead:
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Do you eat Thanksgiving dinner in your closet by yourself?
Paul
May 24th, 2010
9:12 am
Morning, sfd
When my parents had their 50th anniversary celebration (in Texas) mom asked if I’d offer a prayer before the food. I smiled and said “you mean one commemorating our heritage, like “Oh Mighty Odin, grant us the strength to subdue our enemies, eat of their spoils, take their women and…” She just smiled and said “Don’t get cute. Just say thanks for the food.”
We had a good time.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:12 am
Lettuce Pray.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:12 am
Jay, maybe you should have gone to court, not writing blogs on the AJC. Quit whining. You didn’t do anything about it.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:12 am
Peadawg – “Do you eat Thanksgiving dinner in your closet by yourself?”
nice try, bubba – but the meaning is clear about praying/postureing IN PUBLIC.
but, feel free to keep splitting hairs if it makes you feel all superior and such …
larry
May 24th, 2010
9:13 am
Jay, its a wonder the guard didnt start speaking in tongues. You know, abbalblbaooaalsdoala oa aooa !!!
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:13 am
Paul – 9:12 – always remember: pillage BEFORE you burn.
Finn McCool
May 24th, 2010
9:14 am
Who’s forcing you to bow you’re head?
It’s better to nip it in the bud now than see it entered into a bill and have to fight it in the courts.
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
9:14 am
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. However, don’t attempt to push your beliefs on me. We may not believe in the same thing.
Amen SoCo!
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
9:14 am
I was accosted by House security and was told that unless I also STOOD for the prayer, I would be barred permanently from the House chamber.
Wow. I’m actually a little shocked.
Sonny
May 24th, 2010
9:14 am
Let us prey.
Jay
May 24th, 2010
9:15 am
Whining, Peadawg?
Having a rough Monday, I see.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:16 am
Peadawg
I’m not worked up at all. I offered my opinion based on the topic. I grew up in the Baptist Church, was baptised, and was a youth speaker for a while. I just don’t completely agree with the whole government function/prayer thing. If prayer is a big part of your life, I don’t think you should negate that just to appease others. No two people are exactly alike, and no two people’s beliefs are exactly alike.
I say a prayer before I begin every shift that I work. I do it in privacy before I join my co-workers. If they wish to join me, they can, but I won’t push my beliefs on the entire shift just because I feel the need to pray.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:16 am
USinUK, according to that verse you posted, the dining room table is considered public, b/c it’s not in your room w/ the door closed, if you take it literally. It sounds like you’re using the verses that sound good to you this time.
Have a good day sir. You lost this argument.
NRB2
May 24th, 2010
9:16 am
Oh Lord, please keep our eye on the political ball and not let this moment pass without sending a voter tsunami that flushes the trash from D.C. in November
Also please bless Barney Frank with AIDS, and Bill Maher with cancer of the testicles. Amen.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:18 am
I having a great Monday laughing by butt off at the liberal whining going on here, Jay. It’s pretty funny that y’all are complaining about a harmless little prayer, when we have the BP oil spill, people w/out jobs, people w/out health insurance, etc. etc.
NRB2
May 24th, 2010
9:18 am
The same liberal whiners in here would be fine if it was MUSLIMS praying, but since we’re talking about white christians, who are hated by Democrats (especially Brack Insane Oblamer), well…you know the drill.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:18 am
Peadawg – the privacy of your home = the street corner???
wow – talk about a stretch. you might want to use a little liniment or Advil – would hate for you to damage something …
Paul
May 24th, 2010
9:19 am
USinUK
Pillage before burning? What if you want BBQ?
Also reminds me (storytime on a Monday morning) when I moved here my sister warned me that a form of greeting is “Where do you go to church?” Nothing antagonistic – in spite of the assumptions. Anyhow, the guy from the phone company came out to do something with the phone lines and asked me that.
Next time I saw sis I told her she was right, that did happen. She asked me how I answered and I said “I told him we went to the Church of the Firstborn of the Redeemed of Satan.” She screamed ‘what!” and I told her to relax – gave the guy some general answer.
In all seriousness, months went by before I got asked that again. In the years since, it hardly ever happened. Mostly, people are just being friendly and offering you to go where they go. It’s as much a social thing as a religious thing.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:19 am
“The same liberal whiners in here would be fine if it was MUSLIMS praying”
mmmm … I love the smell of strawmen in the morning …
JDW
May 24th, 2010
9:19 am
Peadawg – “Sure, let’s pay attention to EVERYTHING that the bible says. *rolls eyes*”
So if you believe, as I hear so often, that the Bible is the word of God wouldn’t that include EVERYTHNG? If not isn’t it just Man’s interpretation of a manuscript of Men?
nwneighbor
May 24th, 2010
9:20 am
Jay,
There are a lot of things that startle people that move to the South. Some are good, some are bad. But we are who we are. Typically, prayer before meetings is an acknowledgment of the difficulty to wisely lead our communities and an act of humility toward a wise and gracious God. I agree with USinUK, and we shouldn’t pray in public if we don’t pray in private. There is a time and place for public prayer. If you know anything about prayer, and have had prayers answered, you realize the importance of believers praying together. In the South, we historically held faith in a common God. Prayer is natural to us. Should we change? That depends. What other things would we be asked to change? When I moved to Georgia 46 years ago, I would have gotten rid of grits and sweet tea, but I rather like them now.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:20 am
Paul – “Pillage before burning? What if you want BBQ?”
okay, that will be the first amendment to the rule.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
9:21 am
Since it seems to come up a lot, and when I ask about it I get a lot of fuming and fussing, I’ll put this out to everyone.
Can someone explain to me what, exactly, was offensive about what Reverend Lowery said in that inaugural speech OGK is referring to a the top of the thread?
Here’s the transcript:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inauguration-watch/2009/01/transcript_of_rev_lowerys_inau.html
Are there any white folks who actually take offense at a black man hoping that his white brothers and sisters will embrace what is right?
Seriously, WTF is wrong with that?
Jay
May 24th, 2010
9:21 am
NW Neighbor, I’m not crusading for that to change. If done with respect for diversity of beliefs, I have no problem with it.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:22 am
USinUK @ 9:18
Huh? When did I say that? According to the verse you posted, the privacy of your own home means in your room, door closed, by yourself. So, like I said, it sounds like you’re against saying grace at a dinner table with your family…
Loki
May 24th, 2010
9:22 am
eat of their spoils
Never eat the spoiled stuff.
NRB2
May 24th, 2010
9:23 am
mmmm … I love the smell of strawmen in the morning …
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Don’t try to play it off. The democrat party hates whites, white christians in particular. The left has waged war on that segment of society since the 1960s, and while it peaked in the 1990s with the Waco and Ruby Ridge murders, Obama has recently escalated the war against whites to new heights.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
9:24 am
“Who’s forcing you to bow you’re head?
It’s better to nip it in the bud now than see it entered into a bill and have to fight it in the courts.”
The way I see it, it’s a slippery slope, if we let the camel get it’s nose under the tent we’ll have to fight them over here because when they were given the choice of “with us” or “agin us” they chose “agin us” so we can’t let up until mission accomplished….
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:24 am
So, JDW, look up these verses:
Proverbs 30:17
Exodus 21:15
Leviticus 26:29
Psalm 137:9
You follow those, right?
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:24 am
“Dear Allah…we come to thee with much thanksgiving. For giving us the oil to us again the evil Anglo-Saxon. Oh Allah, help us to turn the evil Anglo-Saxon from his evil ways and to punish and/or behead all those Christians who wilt not turn to thee, Allah Akbar”.
Saviour of the Universe
May 24th, 2010
9:24 am
This is no lie.
A BP person just contacted me to confirm my idea that I had submitted a few days ago.
Acquire the biggest oil tanker available, gut it to the hull, attach outflow pipes to the current screw holes, invert, and lower into place.
I am a genius.
NRB2
May 24th, 2010
9:25 am
Are there any white folks who actually take offense at a black man hoping that his white brothers and sisters will embrace what is right?
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Because his definition of “right” is socialism and bowing to a nanny state government. Don’t pretend it’s otherwise.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:25 am
dB
I think it’s just the fact that it was Lowery is enough for OGK.
@@
May 24th, 2010
9:26 am
Putting the first sentence aside:
I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it.
do you not believe in this?
Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people. I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion.
Dunbar said…..”I like…”. You don’t? I know how you feel about “Freedom of expression”, but what about the rest?
You don’t give people enough credit. Look no further than some of your leftists contributors and know that some people are not so easily convinced. What….you think they need YOU to shield them? You give YOURSELF too much credit, jay.
F-105 Thunderchief
May 24th, 2010
9:27 am
I have no use for zealots, political, religious or otherwise. They are often fools not to be suffered at all.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
9:27 am
no just nutbag white christians who declare themselves “lambs of god”, pluralistically “marry” underage girls and “lay with them” while stockpiling prohibited weapons… Yeah Democrats hate those types…
Democrats don’t hate middle aged, fat, white, mustachioed “conservative” men, we just pity those types…
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:28 am
It’s funny how some liberals who say they believe in God slam the church every chance the get. Not really funny…sad I guess. Funny was the wrong word.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:28 am
Because his definition of “right” is socialism and bowing to a nanny state government. Don’t pretend it’s otherwise.
nwneighbor
May 24th, 2010
9:28 am
Correction — The part of USinUK that I agree with is the scripture posted from Jesus sermon on the mount.
I think our biggest problem is that we fail to acknowledge how stupid we can be at times. Prayer is not stupid, but some of things we pray are.
Beatrice Palmer
May 24th, 2010
9:29 am
Saviour of the Universe
I forgot to thank you for your suggestion.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:29 am
“Are there any white folks who actually take offense at a black man hoping that his white brothers and sisters will embrace what is right?”
Depends on who is stating what is right or wrong. I dont need the likes of that idiot Useless Lowery “educating” me on any subject.
“Are there any black folks who actually take offense at a white man hoping that his black brothers and sisters will embrace what is right?”
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
9:30 am
Good bread
Good meat
Good God
Let’s eat!
Amen
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:30 am
“Don’t try to play it off. The democrat party hates whites, white christians in particular. ”
wow … we’re getting a whole FIELD of strawmen today!
“it peaked in the 1990s with the Waco and Ruby Ridge murders”
holy cow. so, Waco and RR had nothing to do with illegal arms – it was just because they were white christians. gottit.
Curious Observer
May 24th, 2010
9:30 am
I would love to see what these hard-core conservatives would say if the United States were majority Muslim. Prayer to Allah, anybody?
Paul
May 24th, 2010
9:31 am
Jay’s 9:21 gets to the heart of it.
Loki 9:22
Hi there! Haven’t heard from you since the Thor comic books –
Peadawg 9:24
“You follow those, right?”
Maybe if he’s an Orthodox Jew –
Old Testament and all that -
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
9:31 am
It’s funny how most “conservatives” who say they believe in God disparage the church with thier phony piety every chance they get. Not really funny… sad I guess. Funny was the wrong word.
Of course 98% of the churches in the deep south are really businesses so they should be taxed…
godless heathen
May 24th, 2010
9:32 am
“a Christian land governed by Christian principles.”
That was mighty Christianly they way that the slaves and the Natives were treated. I’m proud to say it wasn’t a bunch of atheists leading the way on those fronts.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:33 am
Church is good idea, until ones gets people involved.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
9:33 am
“Like the bee gathering honey from the different flowers, the wise person
accepts the essence of the different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions.”
Ghandi
kayaker 71
May 24th, 2010
9:33 am
“Freedom of belief of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law and the reservation of powers to the people”. What the hell is wrong with that?
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:33 am
Peadawg – “Huh? When did I say that? ”
when you equate praying with your family in the privacy of your own home with praying in public / on the streetcorners.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
9:34 am
“Are there any black folks who actually take offense at a white man hoping that his black brothers and sisters will embrace what is right?”
Dunno; I’d say “Doubtful.” It might help if the white man can find a synonym for “right” that rhymes with “black.”
You do know the more-than-half-century-old blues song that Lowery was joyfully updating for 2009, yes?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
9:34 am
“I don’t think any of us liberals have any problems with people praying in their own houses.”
Or in their churches, seven days a week, if they want; or in private anywhere for that matter, Finn.
BUT…that is not what this is about. It never is.
It is about shoving their mythology down pope’s throats at every opportunity.
In governmental meetings, before sporting events, before business meetings, you name it.
But as is the case in schools and many other venues we’ve put an end to most of that illegal happy horse___…
interested observer
May 24th, 2010
9:35 am
My experience is that city councils and boards of education, after opening their meeting with a prayer that the decisions to be made and actions taken reflect the will of God or be pleasing to God, then conduct their business without the least respect for one another, for God, truth or decency.
I’m a Christian, but I would prefer that elected officials not drag God’s name into the business they typically conduct in an ungodly manner.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
9:35 am
@@
I’m more inclined to believe that the U.S. was founded more on Masonic principles and beliefs than anything. That’s just my personal view though. A Mason has to believe in “A Supreme Being”, but it doesn’t have to necessarily be the Christian G*d. A lot of people get confused and think Masonry is a religion when it is not. It is, however, made up of men with religious beliefs.
NRB2
May 24th, 2010
9:35 am
holy cow. so, Waco and RR had nothing to do with illegal arms
———————————————-
so called “illegal arms” was just the excuse. It was the government testing the waters, seeing how much they could get away with, as far as executing white conservatives.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
9:35 am
Jay, I 100% agree with you this morning.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:35 am
“This land was In-di-an
It is now Sax-i-an
We took it from them
Would do aga-i-an
From the Redwood forest
To the Gulf Oil Waters
This land was made for overthrow”
Brad Steel
May 24th, 2010
9:36 am
Those weird opening-prayers are as awkward as a Palin interview.
But here in America, we are required to bow our heads and tactically agree to the tyranny of the majority. We breed such sheepish cowards here in the Bible belt.
lovelyliz
May 24th, 2010
9:36 am
Matthew Ch 6
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:36 am
OGK – 9:33 – true, that!
JDW
May 24th, 2010
9:37 am
Peadog at 9:24
So, JDW, look up these verses:
Proverbs 30:17
Exodus 21:15
Leviticus 26:29
Psalm 137:9
You follow those, right?
Of course not Peadog, that is the point after all, I don’t believe the Bible is the word of God, but those that do, and like to pound the rest of us over the head with their agenda, conveniently overlook the things they don’t like.
Either you believe the Bible is the word of God, and that means EVERYTHING or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose the Word of God depending on your agenda.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
9:37 am
” It was the government testing the waters, seeing how much they could get away with, as far as executing white conservatives.”
You’re even scarier than Andy…
Jay
May 24th, 2010
9:38 am
He frightens only himself, RT.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:38 am
“It was the government testing the waters, seeing how much they could get away with, as far as executing white conservatives.”
hooray!! here it is, so early on a Monday, and we already have a finalist for the Nutty Comment of the Week.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:38 am
“when you equate praying with your family in the privacy of your own home with praying in public / on the streetcorners.”
Huh? Like I said, cccording to the verse you posted, the privacy of your own home means in your room, door closed, by yourself. So, like I said, it sounds like you’re against saying grace at a dinner table with your family…
Brad Steel
May 24th, 2010
9:39 am
“tacitly”
my proofreader is on holiday.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
9:39 am
Thanksgiving prayer:
Oh Great Spirit, creator of the sun, the moon, the winds, the rain, and the earth from which all life springs, we thank you for the bounty given to us by you through Mother Earth. We cheer that you have found us worthy of your gifts. You fill our hearts.
Del
May 24th, 2010
9:40 am
Don’t see what’s offensive. This country was founded on Christian principals and the evidence is all around us. While it may upset some, the majority in this country, albeit in varying degrees of faith consider themselves Christian believers. This angers the atheists and many secularists but that’s just the way it is and has been for over 200 years.
chuck
May 24th, 2010
9:40 am
USinUK, I love it when people who don’t believe the Bible try to use it to prove a point. The discussion in Mt. 6 is about hypocrisy, not specifically about prayer. This is obviously not a command by Jesus to never pray in public. Jesus prayed OFTEN in the midst of groups of both believers AND unbelievers.
That said, I’m not sure that what she did would be called prayer. It reads much more like a speech rather than a prayer. In spite of that, I’m not going to criticize her for it because what she said was essentially true and should have been expressed, I think it would have been better packaged as a statement rather than a prayer.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
9:41 am
No. It sounds like Jesus is against the dinner grace. What is so hard to understand? Christians have been able to turn homosexuality into an outrageous sin from a couple of obscure Bible quotes. Jesus’ views on public prayer are quite clear. His own words.
Why is it so hard to understand the actual words of Jesus? You do the same thing with divorce. He could not be more clear. These man made waivers.
Thomas Jefferson cut and paste his own Bible. He took out the miracles and myth. The verse on public prayer DID make it into his Bible. Is that what the forefathers wanted? For us all to edit our own Bibles? Did they want public prayer banned? Its in the Bible?
If we were a Christian nation there would be bans on public prayer and divorce.
Be a good American, go edit your Bible. Everyone does it.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:41 am
Del, you don’t forget it upsets liberals as well.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:41 am
Peadawg – “Like I said, cccording to the verse you posted, the privacy of your own home means in your room, door closed, by yourself”
only according to the voices in your head.
the passage is quite clear that it’s referring to not flaunting your piety in public
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:43 am
Larry Flynt is more intelligent than all these silly minsters, bishops, reverends, preachers combined.
Larry Flynt vs Orifice Roberts…win by KO.
Larry Flynt vs Jerry Falwell…win by KO, confirmed by US Supreme Crt.
Larry Flynt vs Useless Lowery…win by forfiet.
Larry Flynt vs Jesse Jackson…win by TKO.
Larry Flynt vs Billy Graham…Flynt goes down!!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:44 am
“the passage is quite clear that it’s referring to not flaunting your piety in public”
Correct, sir. It is also is quite clear about where to pray. In your room, door closed, by yourself.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:45 am
USinUK, go back and read your post. Read verse 6.
LibrulWhiner
May 24th, 2010
9:45 am
I’m FINE with Muslims praying to Allah, Christians and Jews praying to Yaweh, Buddists praying to whomever…… It just seems pretty presumptious to explain to the Creator of the Universe what He had in mind in the 1700s. My guess is He’s probably already already got that information on file.
Saviour of the Universe
May 24th, 2010
9:45 am
You are most certainly welcome Beatrice Palmer.
I do what I can.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
9:47 am
Yes peadawg, praying at the dinner table is expressly forbidden.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:47 am
Dear Lord…its another week at work and Susie is being such a bytch today. Lord could you do something for me? Please see to it that Susie gets fired as soon as possible! That would really be cool of you. Thanks a million”.
“Oh PS Lord…I missed my period so could you see to it that Im not pregnant XOXOXO”.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:47 am
Peadawg – given that Christ seemed to have no problem asking for a blessing at the Last Supper, I believe your point is a stupid one.
but do feel free to keep trying to make it.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:49 am
Correct, Rightwing Troll. That’s the point I’m trying to make to USinUK. And also, the point that he’s ignoring verses that he doesn’t agree with…like he accused others of doing. Kinda ironic he’s quoting Bible verses about being a hypocrite….
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:49 am
OGK –
are you rewriting “are you there, god? it’s me, Outhouse”
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:50 am
“And also, the point that he’s ignoring verses that he doesn’t agree with…like he accused others of doing. Kinda ironic he’s quoting Bible verses about being a hypocrite…”
cling, peadawg!!! cling! cling! cling!!! yes, it’s just a straw, but I’m sure it supports you!!!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:51 am
USinUK, he also had to prayers in public, not just the Last Supper. So, like chuck said, the verse is about hypocrisy. Unless you take it literally word for word, like you’re trying to do.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
9:52 am
Who cares if you anger the liberals. You Christians are making God angry.
He hates your unprovoked wars, in his name. He hates the value you have put on wealth. He can’t stand the way you treat His Christian immigrants from the south. He can’t stand what you are doing to His planet.
What Christian values?
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:53 am
“Dear Lord…Somehow I qualified for this home loan and I thank thee. Now lettuce disregard my making $21,000 annually and my house notes are approx $2300 a month, my lease Pontiac is $449 per month, my babys need clothes, diapers etc, however, Lord I KNOW IN MY HEART you want me to have this house so please dont let the loan officer see her mistakes and please dont let me see her mistakes, IF there were any mistakes.
Im sure I cant afford this home, however, its in your plan to provide me this lil Taj Mahal, this little slice of heaven and I accept your gracious gift. Please help me with my 10th grade education to find a better job to pay for what I have stated I would. Im leaving it ALL in your hands dear Lord and in the future if the bank takes away my house please absolve me of all legal liability and also please kill the banker.
In Jesus name we pray, thank you baby jesus…Amen.”
lovelyliz
May 24th, 2010
9:54 am
I’ve asked God and he’s not happy with all of those abusing his name in vain for political and financial gain, would prefer if Christians actually behaved as such.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
9:54 am
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
JKL2
May 24th, 2010
9:55 am
Good to see all the outrage in Texas. There court system will be blocked for years by all the lawsuits. I’ll bet that when she finished everybody in that room started high-fiving because they knew they were going to get paid. The ACLU probably even set up a booth in the hallway for them. “Lawsuits while you wait”.
Last time I ever go to a Texas Board of Education meeting. Oh yeah, none of were actually there. My bad.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
9:56 am
Peadawg – “USinUK, he also had to prayers in public”
and which prayers would those be??? he TAUGHT in public – including teaching what we now know as the lord’s prayer … but he didn’t make a show of PRAYING in public
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
9:56 am
Do the supermarkets still carry Mahatma Rice?
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
9:58 am
Got a meeting, but read these USinUK,
“Christ prayed publicly before He raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:41-42) as well as on other occasions. Paul kneeled and prayed with the Ephesian elders before he left them (Acts 20:36).”
I’ll get more if needed.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
9:59 am
BTW Jay, thanks for relating the story of what happened to you.
Sickening. but illustrative of a religion gone horrifically awry under the leadership of monied frauds and TV charlatans…
Jim Bakker conscience
May 24th, 2010
10:01 am
Hey! At least I was not a government employee or politician.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
10:01 am
OGK, you think that is not pc?
In the computer biz hard drives, CD drives etc are set up as masters and slaves…
I always chuckle how that was ever allowed…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:04 am
USinUK…been reading to catch up and it’s pretty obvious that Peadawg never heard the phrase “closeted with”
“to shut up in a private room for a conference, interview, etc”
Peadawg – a “closet” such as that used for storing things (like clothes) is NOT the only kind of “closet” that exists…it also just means a private place, which quite accurately fits praying in your PRIVATE home for family meals, etc.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:04 am
Peadawg – “‘Father, I thank you for having heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I have said this for the sake of the crowd standing here, so that they may believe that you sent me.’” Matthew 11:25-26
yeah. that’s EXACTLY like what was going on in Texas.
JKL2
May 24th, 2010
10:04 am
outhouse- “Dear Lord…Somehow I qualified for this home loan and I thank thee.
Obama will forgive my loan because it’s the evil banks fault I lied on the loan application and those stupid fools were dumb enough to try and help me. God, grant me the common sense to only buy things I can afford and not blame others for spending all my money on worthless crap I don’t need.
Please have the government take all the rich peoples money so I can continue to live like an idiot in your name.
Amen
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:05 am
Doggone – 10:04 – nope. sorry. your living room = Times Square.
oy.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
10:06 am
Late to the party, not so sure if anyone’s wrote this, but THIS is taking God’s name in vain.
Saviour of the Universe
May 24th, 2010
10:07 am
WASHINGTON—At a time when widespread polling data suggests that a majority of the U.S. populace no longer trusts the federal government, a Pew Research Center report has found that the vast majority of the federal government doesn’t trust the U.S. populace all that much either.
“It makes complete sense for Americans to lose faith in a government that has allowed lobbyists and special interests to take over Washington,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told reporters. “That being said, you could see why Washington might likewise lose faith in a populace that apparently still suspects that its president is a secret Muslim who was not born in the United States.”
Citing the billions of dollars wasted annually on flavored water and boneless buffalo wings, the number of drunk-driving deaths each year, and the lack of citizen accountability for the rise of Kim Kardashian, government officials registered extremely low opinions of the American people overall.
“This is the same American populace that failed to prevent us from deregulating the banks that almost caused a complete economic meltdown last year,” Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) said. “Year after year, they elect terrible officials who make terrible decisions on their behalf. The fact that I, Jim Bunning, am a two-term U.S. senator really shows you just how far Americans have gone off the rails.”
“I wouldn’t trust anyone who voted me into office,” he added.
TaxPayer
May 24th, 2010
10:07 am
Separation of Church and State – Because you cannot separate stoopid from either.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:08 am
Hi Bosch!!
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
10:09 am
“Dear Lord…last night as I slept I heard a pounding on my door. As I staggered, in my drunken stooper, toward the door I noticed bright lights…I thought you had returned oh Lord, however, such was not the case.
As I peered thru the peephole I noticed “Dog the Bounty Hunter” and he had finally found me. I was very scared at that moment, and found you, Dear Lord, had provided me with a 45 caliber handgun which I began firing.
As the bullets pierced the door and began ripping thru the body of Dog the Bounty Hunter I could hear his screams of agony. I knew it was in your plan that The Dog should be severly wounded and I should make a hasty escape out the back door.
Now, Dear Lord, I find myself sitting in prison and its all your fault. Had you, Dear Lord, not provided me the 45 caliber weapon then none of this wouldve happened. Please dont be mad at me but Im thinking since you have already let me down you probably wont be hearing from me much longer. However, in closing let me ask one final favor from you Oh Lord. Please smite down the Warden…Amen.”
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:10 am
“Please have the government take all the rich peoples money so I can continue to live like an idiot in your name.”
Jesus commands rich people to sell all their possessions and give to the poor.
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help
May 24th, 2010
10:10 am
Another one bites the dust….
The celebration at Hawaii Republican Party headquarters was barely 15 minutes old as Charles Djou, the GOP’s newest darling, had already moved past the historic victory and turned his sights toward the general election in November.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
10:10 am
If Jesus were to come back today, I feel certain he’d slap that woman upside the head.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi USinUK! Finished book 2 – and about 1/3 into book 3. I have to say – I lost sleep Saturday night after finishing book 2.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:10 am
“nope. sorry. your living room = Times Square”
It’s sad, actually. I have been told…in all seriousness…many times that there are NO contradictions in the Bible. I can only stand in awe of some people’s ability to be brainwashed into actually believing something like that.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:11 am
you know … I think this conversation requires an expert:
http://www.bettybowers.com/
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
10:14 am
I’m impressed at how the same people who claim that “Liberals” bash Christians are chastising OGK for his posts…
That hasn’t happened yet??? Oops, lemme save that praise for when the hypocracy ends and people get honest with themselves.
See y’all later, and may your personal G*d have mercy on you.
md
May 24th, 2010
10:14 am
“I would hope that there’s one thing that we can do working together as we go forward that speaks to what the Bible tells us about the dignity and worth of every person — and that is on the subject of immigration,” Pelosi said in her remarks. “Because I think the Church is going to have to play a very major role in how we, in how people are treated.”
“The cardinals, the archbishops, the bishops that come to me and say, ‘We want you to pass immigration reform,’” disclosed Pelosi. “And I say, ‘But I want you to speak about it from the pulpit.’”
I see no difference from what Pelosi did and the situation here – the only difference is Jay hasn’t done a column on Nancy, and probably never will.
There are thousands of religions in the world, and every individual “believes” his or hers is the correct one. There is no way of knowing which ones are or are not (including atheism), so it’s high time we act like it.
Respect others believes as one wishes to be respected for their own, or continue down the path of hypocrisy.
Not a soul on this planet has 100% proof of any belief – so quit acting as if you do.
Living your faith is fine, but remember others are doing the same.
How many here would be arguing on the other “side” had this meeting been lead under a muslim prayer?? or by an agnostic??
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:15 am
Bosch – “Finished book 2 – and about 1/3 into book 3. I have to say – I lost sleep Saturday night after finishing book 2.”
I did, too! I had some serious dreams about Will and Lyra and their journey … the thing with Mary gets weird, but it makes sense later on. I’m so glad you’re enjoying the trilogy!
Doggone – “there are NO contradictions in the Bible” … yeah, which is why I’m all about the strict interpretation folks … particularly when you ask them what Christ had to say about homosexuality and all they can cite is Leviticus (although, some will stretch to include Paul)
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:17 am
“Jesus commands rich people to sell all their possessions and give to the poor.”
Actually…he only gave that as a direct “command” to one rich person, and the story makes it quite clear that it was given only to show that person that he was not sincere in his desire to follow Jesus. And Jesus was right, that man couldn’t do it.
All throughout the New Testament the injunction, in general, matches the Old Testament injunction that those better-off have an obligation to help the poor, and in particular, the destitute.
If Jesus even MEANT for all rich people to give up all their possessions – to whom would he be speaking when enjoining us to help those at the bottom of the economic scale? Because we would all be poor alike.
JKL2
May 24th, 2010
10:17 am
DannyX- Jesus commands rich people to sell all their possessions and give to the poor.
Yes. It’s a personal choice. He didn’t say for the government to take all their money and hand it out as they see fit. He said they “the individual” should do it.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:19 am
“Because we would all be poor alike”
or we’d all be rich.
of course the bigger question is, when the meek inherit the earth, who will step forward to claim it?
Gale
May 24th, 2010
10:20 am
Somehow I knew it would be hard to keep up with dueling Christians today. I usually try to leave the room or come late when I know there will be a call to prayer before some meeting. I did the same before I became an atheist because I think public prayer is inappropriate. Prayer should be personal.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
USinUK, 10:19 cute.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
Religion is the root of ALL evil in this world. Nothing “divides” humans more… each one believing that THEY are the one’s following the “truth” … that believes people to feel as if they are “better” then those who do NOT believe the same version of their human written fable.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
Great column Jay.
How about something critical of; say, overpaid school board superintendents in poor performing metro counties? How about three of the four highest paid superintendents being from predominantly Democratic leaning Dekalb, Clayton and Fulton counties? How about the proposed $23B federal assistance/bailout being kicked around in DC?
I would prefer our leaders seek guidance, wisdom and inspiration from pretty much any source. Be it a motivational speaker or group prayer to AmVet’s “mythological” deity.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
“Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.”
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
“(although, some will stretch to include Paul)”
But they never quote Paul to prove that Christians should not marry! And it’s possible to read Paul and conclude (and some HAVE) that HE was actually Gay and that is why he was against marriage.
*I* don’t actually draw either conclusion, but I can see how others could.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
Gale,
“Prayer should be personal.”
And silent. In my opinion.
joe
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
Here Here, Cynthia Dunbar. If more of us adopted this same attitude or belief, our country would be better for it. The decline of churches all around a country can be seen in ways without looking at empty pews every Sunday…It can be seen in young men fathering 9 children with 9 different mothers (Former Denver Bronco Travis Henry), it can be seen in single parent households, it can be seen in decline of legit marriages and in the rise of divorce, it can be seen in overcrowded prisons, it can be seen in the rise of babies born to teenage mothers, it can be seen in increases in drug use and most of all, it can be seen in the secularization of our society as Obama and Pelosi push their socialist propaganda into our law making and judicial appointments.
For the way it should be, one only need to look at our currency, In God We Trust, and poignant song, God Bless America.
TaxPayer
May 24th, 2010
10:22 am
I have faith in the power of the water. The water heals. It is good. It is worthy of the fighting over. But first, one must have been given a sign. A sign from above that one is indeed entitled to the fight over the water. We shall call that sign dehydration that is brought on by extreme drought and it shall appear to us as seemingly endless days of clear blue sky.
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May 24th, 2010
10:24 am
SoCo:
I know a baited field when I see one. Nobody sets one better than jay.
If jay and his leftists take issue with Dunbar’s prayer, then they can take it up with Obama. I have my beliefs, and he has his…
…drawn to the church. He could engage in community organizing for the poor, but without faith he would always remain “apart and alone.” Faith did not mean no doubt, said Obama, but it did mean hearing God’s spirit beckoning.
I believe — that the greatest division in America today is “not between men and women, or those who reside in so-called red states and those who reside in blue, but between those who attend church regularly and those who don’t.”
Democrats, he said, avoid engaging the substance of religious values by falsely claiming the Constitution bars the subject. Even worse, some far-left liberals paint religious Americans as “fanatical,” rather than as people of faith.
faith “speaks to a hunger that’s deeper than… any particular issue or cause”
But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.
…in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life.
But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees. In the following century, men and women of faith waded into the battles over prison reform and temperance, public education and women’s rights – and above all, abolition.
I will point to my paragraph #5:
Even worse, some far-left liberals paint religious Americans as “fanatical,” rather than as people of faith.
At a “behind the scenes” fundraiser in San Francisco?
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Guilty of what HE puts off on far-left liberals.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:24 am
Jay @ your 8:49am
Well, not unexpected typical liberal dodge/twist ignoring the totality of Washington’s prayer, and the fact that not only is “separation of church and state” NOT in the Constitution but the intent of the First Amendment had nothing to do with the court perversion of it as the years have gone by.
Forsaking our Judeo/Christian roots is the cause of this nation’s problems ….. not the solution.
BTW: I love how you like using the word “abuse” except when it applies to liberals.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:24 am
“of course the bigger question is, when the meek inherit the earth, who will step forward to claim it?”
Good one!
Gator Joe
May 24th, 2010
10:25 am
Jay,
Quoting from your article, “Most of the time, the prayers amount to pleas for wisdom and guidance in decision-making.” Juding from the results of thier actions, at least in Texas, this is proof that God doen’t answer the prayers of the self-righteous.
Citizen of the World
May 24th, 2010
10:25 am
I’ve always thought that “using the Lord’s name in vain” was not really about cussing, as most people think, but about using God to try to further your own goals and ambitions, whether it’s to get elected or to justify or get support for a particular course of action. I tend to be leery of politicians who wear their religion on their sleeve for that reason.
Those who wrote our founding documents could have been good, Christian people, but their use of the Lord’s name in their documents and speeches/prayers was probably self-serving. So for us to use their example as justification for doing the same thing is vain upon vain.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
10:25 am
Scout… if that’s so…please tell me this: Out of the 10 commandments: How many are “actual” LAWS?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
10:26 am
Thanks for the wonderful link USinUK!
Irreverent but a laughfest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=player_embedded#!
md
May 24th, 2010
10:27 am
I think “moments of silence” are quite appropriate for public situations – then everybody can thank whoever they choose without upsetting their neighbor. Of course there will always be those that will claim that even that is an affront to their right to be vocal.
The reality is – there is no way to make everybody happy, and never will be. Follows the laws of infinity.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
10:29 am
10 Commandments? Not 15?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
10:30 am
AmVet…it was those last 5 which were the IMPORTANT one’s!
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:30 am
“not only is “separation of church and state” NOT in the Constitution”
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.” James Madison
the FFs have made their intentions clear to those who bother to LEARN, Scout.
md
May 24th, 2010
10:31 am
“of course the bigger question is, when the meek inherit the earth, who will step forward to claim it?”
The least meek, and the cycle will continue from there.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:31 am
md – 10:27 … TESTIFY!
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:31 am
“Government and religion are each very powerful in its own realm, and if allowed to join in mutual purpose they constitute an overpowering force that inevitably, always tries to sweep away all dissenting views. Dunbar speaks fervently about the lessons of the past; the lessons of the past in that regard are distressingly clear, as our Founding Fathers knew from direct and recent experience.”
Just like you liberals want to sweep away any dissenting view, or belittle it, or make fun of people for Christian views?
Jay, I know you libs try your hardest to change and re-write history as much as you can, especially when it comes to Jesus Christ. I also know that our orignal constition has been distorted by lawyers and people like you. Answer this….What is the real reason the founding fathers gave us freedom of religion? Was it truly to keep religion out of state? or was it really trying to keep the state out of religion? I think deep down inside you know the answer but you libs have perverted it. Just like you libs have perverted everything else.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
10:31 am
Oh Scout! What’s the punishment for breaking one or more of the Ten Commandments. The answer can be yours for a few donations.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
10:32 am
“Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Hard but not impossible. A meat grinder, a food processor, a syringe—eventually you’ll get that camel through the eye of a needle.
It’d probably be easier to just give away all your stuff, though.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:33 am
md – it’ll be like the ending of Sparticus, but different … “HE’S the least meek” … “no, THIS GUY is the least meek” … “no! it’s that guy over there!”
Jay
May 24th, 2010
10:33 am
It was to keep the state out of religion, SAWB.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:33 am
Scout, where did Jesus ever give you a waiver that allows you to kill people?
Atlantan
May 24th, 2010
10:33 am
…but Democrats campaigning from the pulpit is ok
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:34 am
dB – if you’re looking to unload your digital SLR, I’m happy to help you to heaven …
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:34 am
Saul Good:
They are ALL God’s laws and that lasts for eternity. I don’t worry near as much about man made laws.
“We should obey God rather than men.”
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:34 am
“…but Democrats campaigning from the pulpit is ok”
nope. IOOKIYAR.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:35 am
““We should obey God rather than men.””
woohoo!!! he didn’t say ANYthing about speed limits!!!
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2010
10:35 am
Hello day shift and other assorted curmudgeons that stay here 24/7.
We should really try to better coordinate our preaching threads and music threads
Enjoy your day, the forrest beckons.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
10:37 am
“We should obey God rather than men.”
And what did God tell us to do. The answer can be yours for a small series of donations.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:37 am
Jay, good answer, but many have come to believe and distort that it was to keep religion out of the state.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
10:38 am
Scout…it was MEN who “created” YOUR god (and all other gods) in the first place.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:38 am
“It was to keep the state out of religion, SAWB”
And I don’t agree. I think it was both. To keep the government from dictating religion, and to keep religion from dictating government.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:38 am
Jay, sorry if I sounded dissenting in my previous post.
@@
May 24th, 2010
10:38 am
The reality is – there is no way to make everybody happy, and never will be.
BINGO!
Some folks go thru life believing they have what it takes to make others happy. The truth of the matter is that no one, can guarantee another person’s happiness…they can just look good trying.
I’ve known poor folks that were happy regardless of their circumstances. I’ve known wealthy folks who were miserable in spite of their circumstances.
It’s up to the individual. You’re either happy or you aren’t.
I’m walking off the field of today’s game.
md
May 24th, 2010
10:39 am
usuk,
Human nature dictates that even the meek will claim it – especially if it’s free.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
10:40 am
SAWB: Yeah….only those who “pray” that is the true meaning.
There are many letters written by our founding fathers both before and after our nation was founded that make their views on religion quite clear. Just more of what you don’t WANT to believe…
Mick
May 24th, 2010
10:41 am
The age of reason, the enlightenment, the renaissance were all responses to the dark ages when religion ruled europe. Separation of church and state, while not explicitly mentioned in the constitution, has been guiding this nation successfully for the past two hundred plus years. It’s like someone said, I don’t want the bill of rights posted in my church and I don’t want the ten commandments posted in my courts. Keep religion out of gov’t, period. Boycott all textbooks from texas and buy textbooks only from california, besides they need the money.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:41 am
md – 10:39 – to quote Sting, “what good is a used-up world, and how could it be worth having?” … but, if it’s freee …. hmmmm …
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
10:41 am
At this point in the game, the power/stranglehold of the church over society is on its way out.
We do not bow down to any of your gods.
And we will no longer be made to feel inferior for it.
If you cannot accept that, tough…
As for the “separation of church and state”?
The christofrauds have made it their business to become intimately involved in politics. Uusally through shadowy organizations with some cryptic number to identify their tax free status.
The solution? As they are already heavily de facto involved in every level of governance, just tax them like everyone else. OR completely eliminate these organizations. One or the other.
If they insist on being spiritual “advisers” inside of the government’s inner sanctums, let the free ride end and make the mooches pay for the bounty that America gives them just like the rest of us…
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
10:41 am
The meek will be the first in line to take advantage of our wonderful new free HCare benefits.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
10:43 am
How about something critical of; say, overpaid school board superintendents in poor performing metro counties? How about three of the four highest paid superintendents being from predominantly Democratic leaning Dekalb, Clayton and Fulton counties?
Talk about spin. You failed to mention that #1 on the list was from Gwinnett County.
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Historical evidence militates against the view that those who formulated the fundamental documents of American government were Christians. To the contrary, not a few who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation and the U. S. Constitution were Deists, Theists and Freemasons. Webster’s Dictionary defines “theism” and “deism”:
Theism – “belief in the existence of a god or gods; specif: belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of man and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world.”
Deism – “a movement or system of thought advocating natural religions based on human reason rather than revelation, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe.”
Personally, I think that the whole “founded on Christian beliefs” argument is misplaced. I believe this country was founded on a monotheistic set of beliefs. If the former were true, the Founding Fathers would have made Christianity the religion of the new country. If you have many different belief systems, it is possible to find commonalities in them all. I think that is partly where the “E Pluribus Unum” comes from. They realized that out of the many different belief systems that were brought to the new world, they all shared the belief in one god.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
10:43 am
Wouldn’t it be interesting if we could get a glimpse of what our current day politicians really believe instead of their public speeches designed to convince the masses to vote for them; speeches only the naive believe to be truth.
Paulo977
May 24th, 2010
10:43 am
godless
heathen
re: treatment of slaves and Natives by Christian pioneers …Indeed , indeed and now the same desire echoed in the chant “We want our country back” to the good ol’Christian days before Civil Rights !!
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:43 am
DoggoneGA, you are a perfect example of someone who has perverted the orignal meaning. The same with the right to bear arms. Who wrote the Constitution and under what circumstances and pretenses was it written? You really have to think about that. As great and as smart is they were, too many people seem to think our forefathers had complete Godly wisdom. However, they were pretty mad when they drew up the Constitution. They wanted people to have guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. They did not want the government to say “You are all now members of the Church of USA”.
md
May 24th, 2010
10:44 am
“Scout…it was MEN who “created” YOUR god (and all other gods) in the first place.”
Saul – and the fallacy of your argument is that you can not prove this either.
It is just another “belief”.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
10:44 am
Politicking is what happens when three or more people get involved in any decision–playground, elections. boardroom meeting or in this case school board meeting. You can no more stop the human animal from politicking than you can stop him from copulating, and probably shouldn’t (cribbed from R.A. Heinlein).
Praying for anything other than understanding, wisdom or forgiveness in front of a group of people is the same as politicking, in this case, a tacit lobbying effort invoking God.
I haven’t been to church in a number of years, but the last one I attended, there was a family that never missed an opportunity to stand in front of a group of people and pray that God would provide them with things. Lo and behold they were surprised when these very things were delivered, always with the phrase “See, prayer works—the Lord did provide,” and I always wanted to say “What else did you expect? You politicked to groups of people and begged for stuff.”
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:45 am
Saul Good, for every one statement you can find. I can find two more that enforce my viewpoint.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
10:45 am
Forgot the link for my second quote: http://watch.pair.com/mason.html
Time to run some errands, see y’all this afternoon.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:46 am
Dear Lord, thank you for providing us with a $664 billion a year defense budget. Shock and awe was for you. Please keep the liberals from expanding health care. Please keep your Christian immigrants south of the border. May you continue to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Amen
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
10:47 am
And the meek shall inherit the earth….
We’ve taken care of everything
The words your read, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eye
It’s one for all, none for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
Look around this world we’ve made
Equality our stock and trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
RB from Gwinnett
May 24th, 2010
10:47 am
Another episode of our weekly Christian bashing from the “tolerant” liberals I see. Nice Jay.
Try remaining seated in the press corp when the president enters the room and see how quickly you’re invited to leave. Some things you do out of respect and tradition, you know. If the tradition under the gold dome is to stand during the prayer, you should. You don’t have to pray, but standing in honor of the tradition is expected.
But then you couldn’t bash Christians I guess?
redneckbluedog
May 24th, 2010
10:47 am
Dear Lord,
Please give us the strength to enact our political philosophies on the entire world, and the strength to smite whomever might disagree with us, much like Adolph Hitler and the Taliban.
Amen.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:47 am
PTL, Inc.:
Depends on whether or not you are forgiven.
USinUK:
Sorry, your quote is again not in the Constitution.
The First Amendment in its original intent only meant no “State sponsored” religion (with government tax support, means tests, governmental authority, etc.). That why Jefferson wrote his reply to the question posed by the Danbury Baptists …….. who were tired of being put in jail for perfomring marriage ceremonies as they were not part of the State sponsored church of Virginia (The Church of England). It was never meant to keep all religion out of government.
We are free to change that today if we want to but to ignore the original intent and the fact that religion at that time ran all through the government is the heighth of ignorance and revisionist history.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:49 am
Scout 10:47, well said.
Mick
May 24th, 2010
10:49 am
“render unto caesar what is caesar’s, render unto god what is god’s”. There is not a better example of separation of church and state.
John K
May 24th, 2010
10:49 am
Sometimes I think “ok, go ahead, give them what they want, let’s go all the way and mix religion and government.” Can you imagine, everyone thinks their particular brand of Christianity will be the chosen one, can you imagine the infighting between Baptists/Mormons/Catholics/Non-Denominational/etc.? It’d be delightful to watch.
Not to mention the government regulation of religion.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:50 am
“DoggoneGA, you are a perfect example of someone who has perverted the orignal meaning. The same with the right to bear arms.”
This may come as a BIG surprise to you, but I agree with the Supreme Court that the provision about bearing arms is intended to protect the right of the INDIVIDUAL to bear arms. But, just as with any other right, I think each individual must prove their ability to do so responsibly.
” Who wrote the Constitution and under what circumstances and pretenses was it written? You really have to think about that.”
I do think about that.
” As great and as smart is they were, too many people seem to think our forefathers had complete Godly wisdom. However, they were pretty mad when they drew up the Constitution. They wanted people to have guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.”
I have no argument with that.
” They did not want the government to say “You are all now members of the Church of USA”.”
and they did not want any church to say “you must all be believers to be protected by the government”
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:50 am
Danny X:
Regarding your quip about our defense budget to fight evil in the world;
Revelation 19:
“11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. “
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
10:50 am
Depends on whether or not you are forgiven.
Conditional! You just gotta love it, huh.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:51 am
Hey Scout, where exactly does Jesus give you that waiver to go out and proudly kill people?
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:51 am
SAWB:
Thank you but it won’t change blind ignorance or those revisionists who bury their heads in the sand.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:52 am
DoggoneGA, I don’t disagree with anything you said in your 10:50.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
10:52 am
So many conservatives yearning for a theocracy. Strange. It must be something in the water.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:53 am
DannyX:
If you’re one of those people who would let a mudering rapist come into your house and have their way with you family without doing anything or killing them if necessary that’s up to you.
Trying to explain anything Biblical to you is beyond my power or desire. Have a good day.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
10:54 am
WWJK?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
10:55 am
“I don’t disagree with anything you said in your 10:50″
thank you
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
10:55 am
Well I ve got a little piece of news for all of ya. Only the Baptists are going to heaven. For the rest of ya its the HellTrain.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
10:55 am
Scout, it is from those new textbooks they have been reading in the last 20 years or so!
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
10:56 am
Scout – “Sorry, your quote is again not in the Constitution”
no, but it vividly illustrates framers’ intent – 1) that they DID desire a separation between the 2 entities and 2) that their reasons were because state-sponsored religions were the root of many wars and acts of atrocities throughout history
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
10:56 am
Answer the question Scout! Where does Jesus give you the waiver to proudly join an army that orders you to kill people?
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
10:58 am
Hey Scout, where exactly does Jesus give you that waiver to go out and proudly kill people?
It’s OK if you’re scared spit-less as he illustrates at 10:53.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
10:58 am
The song by Eddie Mnney, “Two tickets to paradise” was about he and his songwriting buddy selling their souls for fame fortune and rocknroll.
In other words Eddie has two tickets to hell.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
10:59 am
“OFF TOPIC #1″
Headline: “(CNN) – Democratic Senate candidate and Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal has apologized for misstating his military record during the Vietnam War.
“I have made mistakes and I am sorry. I truly regret offending anyone,” Blumenthal said in a statement sent to the Hartford Courant Sunday night. “I will always champion the cause of Connecticut’s and our nation’s veterans.
“Blumenthal acknowledged last Tuesday that he has not always accurately described his military service during the Vietnam War.”
Nope ……….. not good enough ………RESIGN from the Senate race please.
Dirty Man
May 24th, 2010
10:59 am
I worked for a company that prayed before everything they did. They prayed for goods sales and favorable decisions when they got sued. We even had employees who thanked God for giving us the CEO we had! Being an atheist, I never bowed my head or any of the other things one is supposed to do when praying.
Although I worked harder than most of my co-workers I was passed over for promotions. It may have been because I satisfied with the status quo, or it was obvious that I didn’t want to contribute my talents to a bunch of religious fanatics. Mainly, the job payed pretty good, so I didn’t quit until I saved enough money. If there is an afterlife, there is a very warm place waiting for those people. Same with anyone who uses religion to advance a personal agenda.
Like the school boards and the churches, after every prayer, the company I worked for ripped people off for hundreds of millions of dollars. Conning people into thinking they will get everlasting life has a great record of procuring sales and money. It’s also an excellent rallying cry for war. Why is it I, as an atheist, am the one who seems to be bothered by these facts?
md
May 24th, 2010
10:59 am
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
Now, the question is – what is the definition of “religion”, for it is basically a set of beliefs, and many folks have a tendency to equate it with THEIR belief.
Hence the problem.
Confused
May 24th, 2010
10:59 am
Scout,
do you believe in defending our country with the military? ‘Thou shalt not Kill’ is the comandment yes? Not ‘thou shall not kill unless in self defense,’ Pesonally I go with man’s laws on this one.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
11:00 am
Agreed Scout. Blumenthal made no mistake. He intentionally lied.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:00 am
USinUK, the forefathers only wished to worship the way they wanted to worship. Early Americans used religion as a tool to take all the lands of the USA through our Manifest Destiny. These early founders would have shot a Native American in cold blood. They would have also hung homosexuals instantly.
Byron Mathison Kerr
May 24th, 2010
11:00 am
People create God in their own image — thus becoming egomaniacs with whom little reason can be achieved.
Soothsayer
May 24th, 2010
11:00 am
OMG a religious discussion! See ya later!
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
11:01 am
People create God in their own image — thus becoming Obamanics with whom little reason can be achieved.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:01 am
“RESIGN from the Senate race please.”
Obviously you cannot follow your leader in forgiveness
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:01 am
USinUK:
Exactly! Government “in” relgion vs. religion “in” government are two different things. The former is prohibited ……… the latter is not.
I’m sorry if you can’t understand that concept/balance set up by our founding fathers.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
11:01 am
Jump in SS…its a freeforall.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
11:03 am
RESIGN from the Senate race please.”
Obviously you cannot follow your leader in forgiveness
YEA…we know they are all sorry…sorry as $#!*.
“We can rebuild him…make him better than he was before…”
Nah…toss them in societys dustbin.
md
May 24th, 2010
11:03 am
md – 10:39 – to quote Sting, “what good is a used-up world, and how could it be worth having?” … but, if it’s freee …. hmmmm …
usuk – one mans junk is another mans treasure.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:03 am
SAWB – “it is from those new textbooks they have been reading in the last 20 years or so!
you mean like … actual quotes from the authors of the constitution? or do those just not count?
“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.” Thomas Jefferson
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together” James Madison
“Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly-marked feature of all law-religions, or religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity” Thomas Paine
and that’s just a few …
Smokewagon
May 24th, 2010
11:04 am
When a conservative disagrees with something they just choose not to do it but if a liberal disagrees they want legislation outlawing it. I wonder why the jails are so full?
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
11:04 am
Sting is somewhat like Boner…Worthless.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:04 am
“Government “in” relgion vs. religion “in” government are two different things. The former is prohibited ……… the latter is not”
so, I’m assuming you’d have no problem with Islam in the US government.
excellent.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:05 am
Confused:
Of course I do. “When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”
Doggone/GA:
Forgiveness and being allowed to run for the Senate are two different things.
For example: A Felon can be forgiven by God and man but they still don’t get to vote or carry a weapon.
Do you want to change that too?
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:05 am
OGK – 11:04 – Soul Cages is one of my favorite albums – when he isn’t whittering on about love/romance, Sting can actually write some great stuff.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:05 am
“Thou shalt not Kill’ is the comandment yes? ”
No, it isn’t. The commandement is “You shall not murder”
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:06 am
Smokewagon,
“When a conservative disagrees with something they just choose not to do it but if a liberal disagrees they want legislation outlawing it.”
I’m gonna call the bullsh*t card on that – it sure as hell ain’t liberals who are wanting to amend the Constitution to prevent gay marriage – reverse Roe v. Wade – and not allowing people to vote on whether or not to sale alcohol on Sundays.
md
May 24th, 2010
11:06 am
“RESIGN from the Senate race please.”
Obviously you cannot follow your leader in forgiveness”
Personally, I see it as a lowering of standards vs forgiveness.
But what’s new.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:07 am
““When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.””
I think Scout has that tattooed on his ass.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:07 am
“Wouldn’t it be interesting if we could get a glimpse of what our current day politicians really believe instead of their public speeches designed to convince the masses to vote for them; speeches only the naive believe to be truth.”
We can. Just look up quotes from Ralph Reed in regards to the Abramof “K Street” scandal. You will see it plain as day.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:08 am
Rightwing Troll,
Or they could read that book “The Family.” It’s spelled out pretty plain there too.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:09 am
“Do you want to change that too?”
Actually, yes I would. As long as a felon is serving his sentence, then he is bound by the restrictions place on him BY that sentence. But when his “debt to society” is paid, he should resume the full rights and privileges…and responsibilities…of citizenship.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:09 am
Bosch – “I think Scout has that tattooed on his ass”
well, since that’s the general viscinity of his head …
Confused
May 24th, 2010
11:09 am
Im in trouble anyway…
But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.
I dont have any slaves, male or female, but ive worked on a sunday. guess im going to hell.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:10 am
USinUK :
From a secular standpoint no. That’s why Imams have prayed before Congress and we have Islamic military chaplains, etc.
From a Christian standpoint yes. They are a false, dangerous religion.
“I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
ADAMS ON ISLAM
“In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combing the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.”
“Adopting, from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God, he connected indissolubly with it the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.”
“He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust; to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”
“Between these two religions, thus contrasted in the characters, a war of more than twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extincture of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute are encouraged to furnish motives to human action, there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.”
John Quincy Adams, 1830
John K
May 24th, 2010
11:10 am
Exactly Bosch, conservatives want to legislate their personal morality for everyone.
Confused
May 24th, 2010
11:10 am
or is it saturady? i get confused when different religions tell me different days.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:10 am
I love this one from John Adams, USinUK…
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
11:13 am
Scout @ 10:47… so in that case…I guess it’s okay to have the Muslim and Hindu religion involved in our government as well…correct? Because if we go with what YOU stated above…those religions are free to be intertwined with our government as well as ALL of the cults of the world…because if it’s ONLY “YOUR” brand of the cult of christianity… please show me where it states that.
Do not kill
Do not steal
All the rest of your human created “commandments are simply what your preachers and pastors do daily behind your backs (after they’ve deposited your check…the way you “pay” for your ticket to heaven and that country club that excludes everyone but the other cult members who believe EXACTLY the same version of the fable that you do)…
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:13 am
I see some of you liberals have resorted to the same intolerant name calling again. You always do. So infantile.
DoggoneGA:
Does that include being able to have a weapon?
Bosch:
I actually found that written on the blackboard in a UGA class during the “May Day” demonstrations of 1970. I was the only one who showed up for class as the other students were playing their childish games.
Cornelius
May 24th, 2010
11:13 am
For the rest of ya its the HellTrain
I must take issue with that.
Soothsayer
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
“Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain.”
—Mark Twain
Scout: when the only tool you have is a hammer, the whole world begins to look like a nail to you.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
“You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.”
Exodus 2:17
Peter Haskett
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
Those of you who think the 2nd Amendment was drafted so the People could protect themselves from the government need to do a little more research. The 2nd Amendment was, in fact, added by Hamilton as a sweetener to persuade the southern states to ratify the Constitution. The convention needed 2/3rds of the states to ratify, and until the 2nd amendment was added, they were not getting them. The southern states needed militias to enforce slavery, as there was a continuous threat of revolt. The slavery militias were so important that the southern militias didn’t even fight for independence or in 1812.
Google: Secret History of the Second Amendment. This fact is not in controversy, except among the uneducated, gun show crowd.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
SAWB – well, gee … if you like that John Adams, then you’ll LOVE this:
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it”
“That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the whole world”
(which is why government & religion should never – EVER – mix)
md
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
“All the rest of your human created “commandments”
Got a link for that one??
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:15 am
Scout,
I really don’t care where you found it – it’s stupid.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:16 am
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Come on ya’ll let’s discuss this John Adams quote? He seems a bit prophetic to me.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:16 am
“OFF TOPIC #2″
Heads up! Bulletin from “Private” Obama ………….
“U.S. military told to get ready in Korea standoff”
“Obama orders commanders to prepare ‘to deter future aggression’ ………… “
jt
May 24th, 2010
11:17 am
Laugh all you want about the blood of the lamb or the world on the back of a turtle or the 52 virgins,
but
This following belief is absurd,……..———————-And extremely dangerous————-
“The consequence of this, morally, is that the individual is of less significance than the state. The individual’s empirical, day-to-day interests are of a lower moral order than the state’s universal, world-historical interests”“this final end has supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the state.”[94] Duty, as we have learned from Kant and Fichte, always trumps personal interests and inclinations.”
Statism. A truely evil religion.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:17 am
“Does that include being able to have a weapon?”
Certainly…but please keep in mind that I’ve already stated “But, just as with any other right, I think each individual must prove their ability to do so responsibly”
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:17 am
Scout – “From a secular standpoint no. That’s why Imams have prayed before Congress and we have Islamic military chaplains, etc.”
thanks for making my point for me … you don’t mind CHRISTIAN beliefs IN GOVERNMENT, but you don’t want any other religious beliefs …
and THAT, my friend, is why the FFs set up the separation between the two.
Confused
May 24th, 2010
11:17 am
Off to lunch, when I get back I look forward to all of the comments from those supporting the commandments letting me know that they have never worked on the Sabbath, and that our country still following that commandment. Whichever day its on.
jt
May 24th, 2010
11:18 am
Yet mere membership as a matter of duty is not enough for Hegel, given the grandeur of the state’s divine historical purpose: “One must worship the state as a terrestrial divinity.”[95]
In such worship, Hegel believed, we finds our real freedom. For ultimately, we individuals are but aspects of the Absolute Spirit, and in so relating to it we are relating to ourselves. “For Law is the objectivity of Spirit; volition in its true form. Only that will which obeys law, is free; for it obeys itself—it is independent and so free.”[96] Freedom is thus the individual’s absolute submission to and worship of the state.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:18 am
Scout – 11:16 – let’s see … it looks like NK sunk a SK ship … what, exactly, is your problem with ordering American troops to stand ready in case of further aggression???
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:18 am
Bosch: Of course you feel that way. You’re a liberal kept by better men than yourself.
USin UK: You are still in Great Britain …….. right ?
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:20 am
Scout,
Kept? That’s even lamer than the saying.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
11:20 am
Confused…don’t you know that certain “Commandments” are OPTIONAL?
(it usually means you just have to write bigger checks to the pedophile priests and pastors so that they’ll promise to keep your membership to the country club up in the sky open for ya’).
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:21 am
Doggone/GA:
Good. At least you are consistent.
How do you feel about the new Supreme Court ruling keeping sex offenders in jail after they have served their full sentence ?
USinUK:
I will feel much better and safer after you enlist. Will the Royal Marines take you?
md
May 24th, 2010
11:21 am
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
I have to disagree – I “believe” one only needs a sense of right and wrong, and one does not necessarily need a religion to have that.
I am not overly religious, but I do believe it to be wrong to end the “life” of the most innocent of all life forms – but others have created definitions that counter that belief – it is what it is.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:21 am
USinUK, look around at our country. The further we stray from the wisdom and morality of God. The worse it gets. That is all the proof I need. This country was blessed, but it is now quickly going down hill. The sad part is that it is still the best place in the world to live. However, I promise that as more immorality takes hold in our country, the quicker we will fall.
BUT…we knew through Christ that this was going to happen. Us Christians, we fight against it knowing it is a losing battle but we still try to hold on.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:21 am
Scout – “You are still in Great Britain …….. right ?”
I know, I know … you wish I was closer … you want me near …
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:21 am
Bosch:
Maybe ………. but you know it’s true.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
11:22 am
I see some of you liberals have resorted to the same intolerant name calling again. You always do. So infantile.
“Intolerant”—blah blah blah
“Name calling”—blah blah blah
“Infantile”—blah blah blah
And you are here fear mongering, like you always do.
Speaking of intolerant name calling, equating homosexuals to pedophiles is both name calling and intolerant.
Glass house, meet stone.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:22 am
Scout,
The only thing that I know to be true is that I was born and one day die – and that you are the lamest person on this blog.
Interesting Observation
May 24th, 2010
11:22 am
Think about this. In the distant future this nation will be so diverse, and people of all religious persuasions will be in public offices everywhere. Can you imagine before meetings each individual gets to run through his or her own religious ritual. By the time everyone has his or her say the business at hand will get pushed way back if they ever get to the business at hand.
jt
May 24th, 2010
11:22 am
Remember, it is all about the collective——————(even treat the sacred inconsiderately)-
“A World-historical individual is not so unwise as to indulge a variety of wishes to divide his regards. He is devoted to the One Aim, regardless of all else. It is even possible that such men may treat other great, even sacred interests, inconsiderately; conduct which is indeed obnoxious to moral reprehension. But so mighty a form must trample down many an innocent flower—crush to pieces many an object in its path.
The innocent flowers should not object to their destruction. The World-historical individual is acting for the best interests of the whole. In that special individual the state is embodied, and the state is the future of the collective. Even while being destroyed, the innocent flower has worth only through—and so should glory in—his participation in that larger future.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:23 am
Scout – “I will feel much better and safer after you enlist. Will the Royal Marines take you?”
I’m sure you dig a gal in uniform … particularly one who gives orders …
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:23 am
md, I didn’t say it. John Adams did!
hmmmm
May 24th, 2010
11:24 am
different day, same pi$$ing contest.
courtesy of jay bookman and the ajc URINAL/CONSTIPATION.
SAWB
May 24th, 2010
11:24 am
Interesting Observation, that will never happen.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
11:24 am
Hey Kamchak!
Did you watch Inter Milan and Bayern Munich? It was sad for me.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:25 am
SAWB – “The further we stray from the wisdom and morality of God. The worse it gets”
really? things were better when we had slaves?
things were better when we were committing genocide against the indians?
things were better when we were turning the dogs and fire hoses against people because they were black? or stringing people up because they were Jewish?
to quote Archie Bunker “those were the days …”
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:25 am
“How do you feel about the new Supreme Court ruling keeping sex offenders in jail after they have served their full sentence ?”
I don’t know much about it. In principle, I disagree with it…but in practice? That might be different. I think a lot depends on whether the offender is merely warehoused in prison, or is required to undergo therapy for his problem.
If he’s merely warehoused, a case might be made for agreement with the SC…but if he has undergone treatment and improved, then there is room for disagreement.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:26 am
Of course, not suprisingly, @@ omitted the #4 on the list of highest paid superintendants.
So, to be clear on this:
#1 highest paid – Gwinnett
#2 highest paid – Fulton
#3 highest paid – Dekalb
#4 highest paid – Cobb
So if it’s “leftists” fault that the supers of two of the largest counties in the state are the highest paid, whose fault is it that the other two people are on this list?
md
May 24th, 2010
11:26 am
“what, exactly, is your problem with ordering American troops to stand ready in case of further aggression???”
Because lately, it is always “American” troops that are doing the standing by. And in SK particularly, the population has no lost love for our troops in peacetime, yet everything changes when hostilities are a possibility.
It is time to end all treaties – especially NATO.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:28 am
Doggone/GA:
Now you are being inconsistent. A sentence served is a sentence served. Are murderers more dangerous than sex offenders? Want to keep them past their sentence also?
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:29 am
md – “Because lately, it is always “American” troops that are doing the standing by”
you realize that the US troops have been manning the DMZ for the last 40+ years, don’t you? this is nothing new but telling the guys who are already there to heighten readiness.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:29 am
“courtesy of jay bookman and the ajc URINAL/CONSTIPATION.”
But the biggest urinator isn’t here, at least not here posting under his USUAL name. But he’s been known to post under other names as well…
It’s a discussion about religion, so I expect him to kick in the door any second and declare hisself the biggest, baddest F’in christian in these here parts…
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
11:29 am
“Doggone – 10:04 – nope. sorry. your living room = Times Square.”
I still don’t see how to made that leap. Living room w/ family DOES NOT equal your room, door closed, by yourself…according to the scripture YOU posted.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:29 am
“It is time to end all treaties – especially NATO”
and NATO has nothing to do with NK/SK
md
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
“The only thing that I know to be true is that I was born and one day die ”
Wrong – we know the born part is true because we are here, but one never knows what the future holds – we may all be frozen for future generations for all we “know”.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
USinUK….you forgot about burning witches…or should I say those they “accused” of being a witch… I’m pretty sure that our country was founded upon THOSE principles as well.
Jay's blog
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
Is Cynthia Dunbar giving to Caesar what is God’s, or giving to God what is Caesars? WWJD?
Doug Suttles, BP’s COO was just on CNBC squinting his eyes as he addressed the camera about the delays of a “few more days” and all the alternative fixes BP has in the pipeline. He mentioned again the 5000 feet of water the leak is under. When Doug Suttles squints, he really looks like he knows what he’s talking about.
That leak may as well be on the moon, eh?
BP phone home.
John K
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
I think those who clamor for the “good ol’ days” think that Leave it to Beaver and The Andy Griffith Show were documentaries.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
USinUK @ 11:18am
In all seriousness, I can promise you the North Koreans are really not wanting to take on the South Koreans (and will only do so to “save face”).
The South Koreans had their White Horse Division, Blue Dragon Division and a Marine Brigade in South Vietnam. The problem was, they were such ferocious fighters (and took no prisoners) that the Viet Cong and NVA refused to engage them whenever possible or tried to break contact as soon as they realized who it was.
They are “bad dudes”.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:31 am
Has anyone looked up seepage today?
md
May 24th, 2010
11:32 am
“and NATO has nothing to do with NK/SK”
Didn’t say it did. Just happens to be the biggest treaty we need to abolish.
Cornelius
May 24th, 2010
11:32 am
You’re a liberal kept by better men than yourself.
Scout likes to use that line when he gets flustered. I suppose it could make his life of servitude to better men than himself more bearable if he imagines others living the same life.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:33 am
“A sentence served is a sentence served. Are murderers more dangerous than sex offenders? Want to keep them past their sentence also?”
You’re not going to get me to follow you into your “black and white” mindset. A rapist might be a greater threat after serving his sentence than before, if he does not get treatment. Especially one who preys on children. Sometimes it really DOES come down to that “your rights end where my nose begins”
A murderer? It depends. There aren’t so many people who kill at random, murders TEND to be specific to the murderer and his victim…but yes, I would place random murderers (such as those 2 in the Washington area) in the same gropu as rapists…in that a case MIGHT BE made that they should not be released even after they have served their sentence.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
11:33 am
Bosch
No, I actually forgot about the UCL championship game–not sure I would have watched anyway.
Not at all a fan of Mourinho, even when he managed The Blue Lions. I understand that he wants to go to Real Madrid and I got no problems with that except he might procure Drogba and Lampard.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:34 am
Peadawg – “Living room w/ family DOES NOT equal your room, door closed, by yourself”
awwwwwww … still clinging to your straw, hours later … sad, that.
if you want to go back and review the quote, it doesn’t say by yourself — you chose to add that. in other words, be private – with a friend, with your family, with a neighbor – but don’t make a big show of it IN PUBLIC.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
11:34 am
Bush saw Putin’s soul. He talked weekly to spiritual adviser Reverend Haggard. Of course Jesus told him to bomb Iraq.
Its not about Christianity. Its about the cult like Christian right that so far has everything wrong. Starting with the Texas woman’s prayer. Everything the right does ends up embarrassing Christianity.
Falwell, Haggard, Swaggert, Bakker, Robertson, Roberts. Focus on the Family crusades against homosexuality. Cures young boys by having them shower with an adult. No surprise the founder uses rent Boy.com.
Don’t forget the Schiavo incident. Purple Teletubbies. Hurricanes.
Your good Christian leaders are also dropping like flies. Craig, Ensign, Sanford, Vitter, Richardson, Newt and all the others.
Your house is a mess! Then you say things like “Christian Nation.” Lets hope not.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:34 am
OGK, LOL. Not sure about worthless, but I agree, Sting was amazingly over-rated! Lots of forgettable stuff.
Unlike this guy…
And god said
You are not serving me, you’re serving something else
Cause I don’t need to be pleased, just get over yourself
You can’t suck up to me, I know you all too well
But I don’t dwell upon you, so get over yourself
Cause you’re not praying to me, you’re praying to yourself
And you’re not worshipping me you’re worshipping yourself
And you will kill in my name and heaven knows what else
When you can’t prove I exist so get over yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djc6dldCk3U
Kimberly and Clark, Don't leave home without it.
May 24th, 2010
11:34 am
Has anyone looked up seepage today?
That depends. Who’s asking.
lib dem
May 24th, 2010
11:35 am
Black social dems are some of the most religious bigots in the country…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:35 am
“Living room w/ family DOES NOT equal your room, door closed, by yourself…according to the scripture YOU posted.”
*I* have not posted any scripture today, except to correct someone’s post of one of the Ten Commandments. And *I* fully understand that the injuction to pray “alone” is an indictment of hypocrisy…and not entirely a command to not pray in public AT ALL.
md
May 24th, 2010
11:35 am
“you realize that the US troops have been manning the DMZ for the last 40+ years, don’t you? this is nothing new but telling the guys who are already there to heighten readiness.”
I’ve lost a good number of family to that “situation”, so I’m am quite aware of what it is.
The point is, there should be a UN treaty, not a US treaty. Of course the UN is worthless and toothless and needs to be abolished too.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:36 am
Scout – 11:31 – actually, I agree with you – but the fact remains that there is evidence that NK sunk the SK ship. the acts of aggression may not be from NK but from SK, which would, then, require KJI to respond … wash / rinse / repeat.
Soothsayer
May 24th, 2010
11:36 am
Please someone call me when they allow dancing again.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:36 am
“I think those who clamor for the “good ol’ days” think that Leave it to Beaver and The Andy Griffith Show were documentaries.”
HA!
Still pining for another Joseph McCarthy, they are…
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:37 am
“Black social dems”
just out of curiosity … is that as opposed to black reticent dems?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:38 am
“Black social dems are some of the most religious bigots in the country…”
Der. Is it just me, or does this make ANY sense?
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:38 am
First ruminating about people getting “beat up” in school, now glorifying the murder of vanquished foes?
Like an onion, slowly but surely the layers are being peeled back…
Scout will alternately whine about being abused in boot camp and the corp then brag about being a lifelong government employee… can’t make out which end is up…
Sunday, Monday, Happy Days.
May 24th, 2010
11:39 am
AmVet is Eddie Haskill.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:39 am
saul good – 11:31 – yep! add that one to the list, too!! thanks
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:40 am
USinUK: That’s why we are so fortunate to have “Private” Obama to sort it all out.
Doggone/GA: As I said, you are being inconsistent.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
11:40 am
“Doggone/GA: As I said, you are being inconsistent.
No one’s perfect
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:41 am
Gee Wally, somebody is stuck on 50s stupid…
And Ward, quit being so hard on the Beaver…
Scout, tsk, tsk, tsk, Insulting YOUR Commander in Chief. The nerve…
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
11:42 am
The ‘private” Obama brings up an interesting question.
Do you prefer a person who’s never served or a person who went AWOL to be CIC?
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
11:42 am
Poor Cub Scout. He still has not come to grips with the fact that Obama is his Commander in Chief.
jt
May 24th, 2010
11:43 am
It is a big chasm to jump from worshiping God to worshiping the State, and most people refuse to consider that they could do so. It is a small jump from worshiping the POWER of God to the POWER of the State, however, and I believe this is what has happened.
Got that? you righty war mongers and you lefty aborto freaks?
It is time you ALL got down on your knees and beg forgiveness. Just for decency’s sake. (if you vote for the R & D party.).
williebkind
May 24th, 2010
11:43 am
To be a progressive liberal and socialist, you must be atheist. There is no absolute truth, right. Jay, you said you came to Ga 20 years ago. Did you forget the road that brought you here? You can not find you way back. Most people who want to change Ga are not from Ga. So the idiom of the nonbeliever to take away the belief. We are a Christian nation founded on Judea/Christianity beliefs. Glenn Beck has proven that progressive liberals have not taught and deliberately chose not to teach about our founding fathers and their journey to the constitution. Nor did the progressivel liberals reflect on our forefathers life post constitution. What is up with that Jay?
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:43 am
AmVet:
It’s call “verbal cartooning.”
You know, the same thing Luckovich’s does with his crayons.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:44 am
“That’s why we are so fortunate to have “Private” Obama to sort it all out.”
yeah, because mr. “bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran” would be SO preferable in this situation …
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
11:44 am
USinUK, so, you and your family have dinner in your room w/ the door closed?
I can take the verse you posted and twist it just like you can. You started all this bs by posting it in the first place.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:45 am
“Glenn Beck has proven … ”
dammit, Bosch — please pass the screen cleaner …
Big D
May 24th, 2010
11:45 am
Most intelligent people do not even consider “right or wrong” in global decision making due to the fact that it is a variable. Cause and effect always wins at the end of the day.
1. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
2. A wise man learns from experience a fool learns no other.
We have to choose who we are as a nation.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
11:45 am
Someone has gone and dragged us into the gutter for sure now. They used Glenn Beck’s name. He’s so vain. He probably wrote a song about himself.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:45 am
Peadawg – “USinUK, so, you and your family have dinner in your room w/ the door closed?”
man … talk about desperate … thanks for the laugh today, Pea -
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:47 am
Birthers Anonymous:
Thou dost err sir. He is my president but NOT my commander in chief ……….. I am no longer in the military.
Rightwing Troll :
Well, not to “nitpick” but one can be proven the other cannot. That said, I would “prefer” the AWOL as they had at least some military experience. BTW: Even learning to fly a military fighter jet was more dangerous (just check the accident statistics) than most of the jobs one could have in Nam except maybe the infantry.
md
May 24th, 2010
11:47 am
“Do you prefer a person who’s never served or a person who went AWOL to be CIC?”
You do know that trotting this one out just makes you look silly – right?
kjdf
May 24th, 2010
11:48 am
i think the bible says if we don’t tell people about god, the rocks will do it. i would like to see the aclu get the rocks in to court.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:48 am
AH! I see, Corporal! It’s all good…
To be a progressive liberal and
socialistnon-Republican, you must be atheist.Patently fallacious. BUT…not a bad idea.
willie, Glenn Beck??? Yoiks…
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:48 am
USinUK:
Nope. The real danger is have a president that shows weakness to people who only understand strength and power.
happy2be
May 24th, 2010
11:49 am
gods have always been and will always be sock puppets, badges, swords and bullets, monsters, and whatever else a power seeking group can conjure for their purposes. now, granted, sometimes those purposes are for the greater good. … but, in the end, power corrupts, and a sense of absolute power corrupts absolutely
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:50 am
md :
See my 11:47. I try to humor them ………….. sometimes.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
11:50 am
to quote Archie Bunker “those were the days …”
To quote the TX BoE: “Mister we could use a man like Joe McCarthy again”
bobo
May 24th, 2010
11:50 am
God doesn’t believe in atheists
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
11:51 am
Ragging on Boo Hoo Beck is kind afun, but I honestly have not watched more than about 5 minutes of him ever.
All I know is that he got his BIG break with the Communist News Network and that’s good enough for me!
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:51 am
Scout – “The real danger is have a president that shows weakness to people who only understand strength and power”
and ordering troops in the DMZ to raise their readiness levels is showing weakness … how, again???
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:52 am
Birthers anonymous:
Since you are talking about “Private” Obama vs. Commander in Chief …….. check THIS out !
“The Community Organizer was delivering his commencement address to the Cadets at West Point over the weekend. As you probably already know, he was using a teleprompter.”
“Now I don’t know how the media found out about this one … maybe they had an advanced text of his speech … but at one time during the address Obama was supposed to say “That’s a lot of cheering.” Trouble is .. he couldn’t say it. He couldn’t say it because there was NOT a lot of cheering.”
Boortz
Even the cadets know …………………… don’t they.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
11:52 am
dB – 11:50 – I never should have posted that … now, I’ve got “and you knew who you weeeeerrrrreeeee then … goils were goils and men were men … ” going through my head …
oh, Archie!
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
11:53 am
I am no longer in the military.
Given your past rants about your service, you’d never convince anyone other than yourself of that. I have also heard lines such as “Once military, Always Military”. Also, I assume that you rely on the military for your retirement so you are most certainly beholdin’ to the military and its command structure for your very livlihood. Bottom line. Obama is currently your Commander in Chief no matter how much you deny it.
Jay's blog
May 24th, 2010
11:53 am
If a state prayer offends everybody then certainly that would fit right in with government policy.
I think Cynthia Dunbar did a good job.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
11:53 am
“man … talk about desperate … thanks for the laugh today, Pea ”
Ditto. I enjoyed it. Twisting words and using the Bible verses that help your argument is fun, right USinUK?
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:54 am
USinUK:
Unless I missed something he didn’t order any troops anywhere he just ordered them to be alert (like he had to do that). The understaffed 2nd Infantry Division (some of them are in the Middle East) is already there as a “firebreak”.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
11:56 am
Birthers Anonymous:
Sorry, you are technically and legally wrong. I am NOT subject to the “Military Code of Justice.” Therefore, he is NOT my Commander in Chief. Nice try.
BTW: I get zero military retirement.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
11:56 am
You do know that trotting this one out just makes you look silly – right?
You know that labeling Obama as “Private” makes someone look silly — right?
@@
May 24th, 2010
11:58 am
RWT:
Hellooooo from the sidelines!
Of course, not suprisingly, @@ omitted the #4 on the list of highest paid superintendants.
Where, pray tell, did I submit such a list and, more importantly, why would I care what superintendent’s in those four counties get paid? I will say that past superintendents in my county (Clayton) were overpaid if they were paid $100 annually. All we got for our money was loss of accreditation.
Back to removing the metal stains from my pool. For those of you who have a pool, don’t buy that expensive powder stuff from the pool supply place. Buffered Vitamin C tablets go much further and cost less….A WHOLE LOT LESS as a matter of fact. $32.00 vs $7.00.
Can’t beat those kinda savings and the end result is the same.
Wander on, RWT. The wilderness awaits.
Weirdo!
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
11:58 am
Sorry, you are technically and legally wrong. I am NOT subject to the “Military Code of Justice.” Therefore, he is NOT my Commander in Chief. Nice try.
BTW: I get zero military retirement.
Then clearly you are kept by better men than yourself. No Oorahs for you either.
gagay
May 24th, 2010
11:58 am
Those prayers will continue until 51% of Texas is Muslim and then they open with a prayer to Allah and you will see all hell break loose because “those people” are trying to shove “their” beliefs down “my” throat!
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:00 pm
Scout – 11:54 – exactly – which is why I don’t understand people getting all het up about it – the troops are there, already (and have been for 40+ years) – they’re just increasing their readiness …
peadawg – “Twisting words and using the Bible verses that help your argument is fun, right USinUK?” I wouldn’t know … however, you do seem to have issues with deliberately misinterpreting them in some kind of desperate need to prove … something …
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:00 pm
Pray Tell, Who’s Side Is God On?
For centuries, someone, somewhere has invoked the name of God in support of a cause. Meanwhile, the other side, with equal passion and faith, proclaims that God is on its side. How naive we are.
Frankly, I find Ms. Dunbar’s prayer disgusting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I
md
May 24th, 2010
12:00 pm
“You know that labeling Obama as “Private” makes someone look silly — right?”
If one wants to get technical, “Private” for Barry is being generous, considering he never served.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
12:01 pm
“Well, not to “nitpick” but one can be proven the other cannot. That said, I would “prefer” the AWOL as they had at least some military experience. BTW: Even learning to fly a military fighter jet was more dangerous (just check the accident statistics) than most of the jobs one could have in Nam except maybe the infantry.”
The fact that it cannot be readily disproved speaks volumes about the “allegations”.
For a soldier to go AWOL, he must disrespect the uniform and his brothers whom he abandoned and left to die, now you would prefer that person become the CIC of that same force he abandoned?( Granted there wasn’t much hostile activity in the skys of Alabama, but still…)
Seriously, remove the R and the D from the equation.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:03 pm
USinUK, are you a woman or a man? Men can usually admit they’re wrong. Woman can’t the taste of those words coming out of their mouths. You sounds like a woman right now.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
12:03 pm
Birthers Anonymous :
My USMC service was a long time ago and I am getting up there in age so, yes, right now I am kept by better (and younger/stronger) men than myself. God bless them.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:04 pm
Zooks! PLEASE NOT the nobody respects us because Barry’s too weak nonsense anymore!!!
Hell, your George Bush II *surged* into Afghanistan with how many more divisions? How many more men? We ain’t leaving there until the Republican Party finds themselves another Abraham Lincoln.
WHo here really gives a flying fork what these countries think? I am CERTAIN you did not when the Hero of the Texas ANG was playing rogue cowboy…
Scout
May 24th, 2010
12:05 pm
Birthers anonymous:
Sorry. He is really: “Che/Karl/Capo/Private/Jimmy/Jose/El” Obama
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:06 pm
Peadawg said USinUK, are you a woman or a man? Men can usually admit they’re wrong. Woman can’t the taste of those words coming out of their mouths. You sounds like a woman right now.
Peadawg, when you generalize, you will generally be wrong.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:06 pm
“USinUK, are you a woman or a man? Men can usually admit they’re wrong. Woman can’t the taste of those words coming out of their mouths. You sounds like a woman right now.”
wow – deliberately obtuse AND sexist … what a package!
Scout
May 24th, 2010
12:06 pm
Rightwing Troll:
Since “Che” Obama is president now (and not Bush) let’s concentrate on “allegations” about HIS past ………………
Time for noon chow ………….. be back later !
Normal
May 24th, 2010
12:07 pm
bobo
May 24th, 2010
11:50 am
God doesn’t believe in atheists
Good! Then we’re even…
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:07 pm
md, Did you do any military service?
md
May 24th, 2010
12:07 pm
“the troops are there, already (and have been for 40+ years) – they’re just increasing their readiness …”
My beef, is that they are still there, by themselves, with no UN support.
Why is that? Technically, the war never ended, but the UN certainly bailed.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:07 pm
Just a simple question. You haven’t been able to answer many of them today it seems…..
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:09 pm
PDawg, I am fairly sure that my doors are shut most every time the fambly and I sit down and give thanks prior to dining at home. I guess you leave yours open?
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
12:09 pm
If we are a Christian nation we will need a new cabinet level position. The Dept of Stoning. This department will be responsible for upholding Christian Law.
We’ll be starting with the Ten Commandments. Unfortunately some of our “best Christians” are first up. Georgia for example has about 6.5 million “best Christian.” adults. A combination of illegal divorce, and adultery will require the stoning of 6.25 million of them.
For future generations let this be an example. God created “Adam and Eve.” NOT “Adam and Eve then Cindy.” Divorce is a choice.
God Bless our Christian nation. Remember, DON”T COVET.
DJ
May 24th, 2010
12:11 pm
Hey PEADAWG – we get it. You are a born-again, double-dipped fundamentalist who thinks everyone should live life the way you and you’re pastor’s interpretation of your chosen translation of some books of the Christian bible says we should. And further, you would like to see this narrow world view codified into law and enforced by the state at the point of a gun. We get it. That’s what you think. Wonderful. Now let some other people have the floor for a while and express what they think. The world knows what you think – nothing else you say adds to the conversation. It’s not a conversation – it’s just you pontificating. But we can get that from our own pastors on Sundays (or whatever heathen religion we may be a part of). WE DON’T NEED TO HEAR YOU PLAYING PREACHER. You’re really not that good at it.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:12 pm
The Dept of Stoning.
With an undersecretary of Witch Burning!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:12 pm
A study of Cynthia Dunbar’s “history” would surely include a chapter on the Dark Ages. It would surely be called Contemporary Texas Oh, lord, may you show Ms. Dunbar the light.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:12 pm
“md, Did you do any military service?”
The answer would be no – my parents strongly discouraged joining due to heavy losses within the family. I honored their wishes.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:13 pm
Men can usually admit they’re wrong.
As in, “I was wrong, earlier, when I called you a f–king a-hole, you’re really a f–king f–ktard”
Normal
May 24th, 2010
12:13 pm
Peadawg,
At least in my fantasies… 
I can tell you, for a fact, that USinUK is the most beautiful woman I have never met. I’ve been reading her for over a year now, and she is bright, smart, and humorous. What ever she looks like on the outside, she is defifitely beautiful inside…and I’m betting that on the outside, she is a modern day Marilyn Monroe…
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
(not that I’m calling Peadawg any of those things myself in my post @ 12.13.)
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
A warning from the Department of Stoning.
If you are female please stop blogging when men are present. You are subject to stoning laws.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
“PDawg, I am fairly sure that my doors are shut most every time the fambly and I sit down and give thanks prior to dining at home. I guess you leave yours open?”
Geeze, someone else. According to the scripture USinUK posted, it says, and I quote “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door”. So, I ask you, do you and your family eat dinner in your room w/ the door closed? Silly question, I know, but it’s a fair question since he posted the verse. Picking and choosing verses to suit your needs/what sounds good is what USinUK accused others of doing, yet he’s done it all morning.
Toby Saunders
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
The first amendment to the US constitution is clear, along with the 14th: they ban any American governmental body, federal or local, from promoting religion via law. Some ‘founding fathers’ were Christian, but America is secular and American Right-wing doesn’t care (they’re skeptical about reality itself). The US constitution gets walked over all the time of course, -the US is a de facto Christian empire and de juro secular democracy. Religion is unethical in practice, and while adults should be allowed to practice religion that shouldn’t include the indocrination of children or inclusion of religion in governmental affairs by government officials.
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
Peadawgs rants remind me of an ex-boyfriend… ya know the type. Not smart enough to argrue with, so you don’t even bother, and then they think they won.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
12:15 pm
Anger against Christianity in this country is mostly focused against proselytizing organizations – “I don’t want to hear what you believe in.” Understandable, in this narcissistic society – everybody thinks they are 100% right.
But to give a perspective into the mind of a proselytizer, a quote from avowed atheist Penn Jillette…
“How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? If I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn’t believe it, and that truck was bearing down on you, there’s a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that.”
Not saying that all Bible-thumpers are that genuine, but someone who truly cares for you will feel they have no choice but to tell you the truth. Take it or leave it from there, the choice is now yours, you are informed. Count me in this group – Jesus saved this wretched sinner, and is now using me for good. I cannot do it on my own, it is only by His grace. He can do the same for all of you.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:16 pm
If one wants to get technical, “Private” for Barry is being generous, considering he never served
Sounds like you and Scout are match made in Heaven.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:18 pm
mel, when the only answer USinUK has to my questions are snide, childish remarks, I’d say I’ve won. And the fact that I proved her wrong, and that Jesus indeed do prayers in public, also says I’ve won. She just can’t admit it.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:19 pm
“If one wants to get technical, “Private” for Barry is being generous, considering he never served”
Actually…that is no longer true. He is now serving…as Commander in Chief
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:19 pm
Normal – 12:13 – awwwww … you’re making me blush! thanks!!
peadawg – seriously, dude – you’re making yourself look foolish. well, more foolish than usual. the quote doesn’t say BEDroom … or BATHroom … or LIVING room … the same way it doesn’t say BY YOURSELF.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
12:20 pm
Normal and USinUK sittin’ in a tree….
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
“when the only answer USinUK has to my questions are snide, childish remarks, I’d say I’ve won”
I’m sure you would. the same way LA used to think that 3 or 4 people having a dispute with him meant that we were all intimidated by his prowess.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
and, with that, I have a train to catch …
‘night all!!
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
hum, cuz calling her a woman that can’t make decisions is not snide nor childish… only sexist.
even though, I believe she is a woman….
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
According to the scripture USinUK posted, it says, and I quote “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door”. So, I ask you, do you and your family eat dinner in your room w/ the door closed?
Well for starters, some homes and/or apartments actually do have doors in and out of dining rooms and/or kitchens, so it wouldn’t be that strange to close it.
Secondly, He doesn’t specify which doors. Given the context of this passage (which, obviously, I’ve seen before) I was thinking one would want to close the doors so that people outside aren’t so likely to be privy to your private petitions to the Lord–in some villages, people’s homes might be quite close to one another, after all.
Picking and choosing verses to suit your needs/what sounds good is what USinUK accused others of doing, yet he’s done it all morning.
And I’m really a bit shocked that you’ve been here as long as you have without knowing that UnU is female; I would be willing to say that it sounds like you don’t do much listening amid all the ranting, but that wouldn’t be very Christ-like of me.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
Toby, of course founding father, Thomas Jefferson, has been downgraded in Texas for his views on the separation of church and state. The Lone Star State indeed.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
12:24 pm
Scout,
if you didn’t question W’smilitary credentials (and I’m certain you didn’t) then you have no credibility questioning anybody elses.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:26 pm
“cuz calling her a woman that can’t make decisions”
Geeze, is it “twist your words to your liking day” or something? I said women have a hard time admitting they are wrong. I never said they can’t make decisions. Try again.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
12:26 pm
Much like the rest of you have no business whining about government expanding when you stood by for 8 years as it expanded like nobodies business. Some of you stood by, some of you actively engaged, now you all pi$$ and moan when Obama follows in W’s footsteps.
No credibility.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:27 pm
“Actually…that is no longer true. He is now serving…as Commander in Chief”
Technically, I guess so.
Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
The answer would be no – my parents strongly discouraged joining due to heavy losses within the family. I honored their wishes.
Well, my family had heavy losses too. Mostly my Daddy would get dead drunk and go out and gamble his pay away. So they used the losses to strongly encourage me to join—one less mouth to feed and such.
Jim
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
Check and Mate – With the exception of the first couple sentences, Dunbar’s prayers was, verbatim, a prayer given by former Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Dunbar knew the anti-Christian, historical revisionists within the mainstream media would react with knee jerk outrage. She set an Egg landmine and the entire MSM, Jay Bookman included, are covered head-to-toe in yoke. What a powerful way to both 1) point out our nation’s irrefutable Christian founding and 2) expose the MSM for the frauds they are.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
“I said women have a hard time admitting they are wrong”
and I’m just certain that your vast experience being a woman has led you to that conclusion.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:29 pm
Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
Funny how elections work, isn’t it. Perhaps you’d prefer a Kingdom instead.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
“Some of you stood by, some of you actively engaged, now you all pi$$ and moan when Obama follows in W’s footsteps.”
What ever happened to “change”. Wasn’t that a campaign slogan by one of the candidates??
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
your right, you did say women can’t admit when wrong, not not make decisions. on this you are right. not that that makes it any better, general sentiment is the same.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
Scout…. let me ask…. who would YOU vote for right now for Prez if you could? Who do YOU think would be our BEST “leader” right now (and according to your beliefs….would have already have dug us out of that massive hole by now as well)?
So who is it Scout? Who do you think would be our BEST leader?
We’ll wait…. ***pacing***
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
Ah what the hell (get it?), I guess I’m gonna burn forever because free will is such nonsense, and I’m apparently not one of the selected.
Nothing I can do about it, it just wasn’t in God’s plan…(Hat tip John Calvin.)
http://tinyurl.com/2deqng
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:31 pm
point out our nation’s irrefutable Christian founding
Nope. No true.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
superstitious fools. If we have to endure prayer in government facilities ,then it’s time to tax their bronze age god lovin’ asses,kill two birds with one stone that way
md
May 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
“Funny how elections work, isn’t it. Perhaps you’d prefer a Kingdom instead.”
With one party rule, what’s the difference??
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:34 pm
“..ant-Christian, historical revisionists…”
Is that similar to judicial activism and moral equivalency?
Or maybe more like compassionate conservatism and “We’ll be greeted as liberators”?
(As you can probably tell, I love Republispeak…)
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
With one party rule, what’s the difference??
The Republicans choose to band[y] together and refuse compromise and just say no. So, they effectively relinquish their rights and those of their constituency.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
“and I’m just certain that your vast experience being a woman has led you to that conclusion.”
No, being married to one for 2 years, with her for 5 has led me to that conclusion. One of the funniest quotes I’ve ever heard:
From the ‘Blind Side’:
Leigh Anne Touhy: You’re right.
Sean Tuohy: Wow. How’d those words taste coming out of your mouth?
Leigh Anne Touhy: Like vinegar.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
md said Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
md. first of all you have a little less credibility talking about the military than those of us who have served. Secondly, are you now implying that you object to Article II of the Constitution?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:38 pm
“No, being married to one for 2 years, with her for 5 has led me to that conclusion.”
That’s called “reasoning from the specific to the general” and is a logical fault of argument.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:39 pm
“The Republicans choose to band[y] together and refuse compromise and just say no. So, they effectively relinquish their rights and those of their constituency.”
So you prefer a kingdom??
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:40 pm
Peadawg, as I have told you, when you generalize, you are generally wrong. What you have proven to us, with your allusion to your wife, is that love is blind.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:41 pm
“That’s called “reasoning from the specific to the general” and is a logical fault of argument.”
I understand what you mean. Like when women say, “all men are pigs”.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
“md. first of all you have a little less credibility talking about the military than those of us who have served. Secondly, are you now implying that you object to Article II of the Constitution?”
Less credibility – says who?? You??
And yes, I do. I don’t agree with CIC going to any politician – but that’s just me.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
So you prefer a kingdom??
I asked you that question.
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
That is a rather narrow-minded perspective.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
“Like when women say, “all men are pigs”.”
Yep, just like that…but not ALL women do that, you know.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
One wonders if Ms. Dunbar’s Texas history books will have a prologue with an encore of her prayer. One wonders if the Texas history books will bear more myth than the Bible. One wonders if the Texas history books will be more “old school” than the Old Testament.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
I don’t agree with CIC going to any politician – but that’s just me.
Good thing given that CiC goes to just one, the President of the USofA.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
Applicable?
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/ap_blumenthal_052310/
Elijah T Tishbite
May 24th, 2010
12:45 pm
Jay raises two issues here: 1) Was Ms. Dunbar’s prayer an appropriate invocation for the meeting? 2)Should prayer be offered up before public meetings? As to 1), it’s clear from her prayer that Ms. Dunbar wasn’t talking to God, but preaching to the audience. It’s a common practice that I’ve always thought was hypocriticial, but nevertheless inoffensive. Whether one believes her statements are true or false,she has the right to voice them, in the context of prayer or otherwise. That brings us to Jay’s second issue.
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated? The Founding Fathers belived that God brought them togehter in the unity of his wisdom; e.g., at the Constituional Convention, they prayed specifically that God would resolve their differences.
The 1st Ammendment states plainly that the Government cannot abridge the “free practice of religion.” It doesn’t have a clause, “except in public”. As pointed out by others, Washington believed strongly in God’s benevolent influence on the affairs of men. The Consitution is a document intended to limit the powers of the state. Its writers aasumed that everyone knew that the “inalienable rights” of the people were granted by their Creator! So the last couple of generations of geniuses have twisted the language of the Bill of Rights to try and snuff god out of the public arena. God forbid!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:46 pm
“Yep, just like that…but not ALL women do that, you know.”
I know. Not all my women have problems admitting they’re wrong. It is pretty rare though…I can count the times my wife admitting on 1 hand.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:47 pm
not all women*** typo
don’t start!
md
May 24th, 2010
12:47 pm
“So you prefer a kingdom??
I asked you that question.
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
That is a rather narrow-minded perspective.”
Well, one party gov’t (such as we recently had) is the same as a kingdom as far as I am concerned, so no – don’t care for it. Prefer balance and compromise.
Narrow minded view?? Care to explain.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:48 pm
md, you were honest to admit that you do not have military experience. I am just saying that with experience in any endeavor, military or otherwise, you have more credibility. An employer looks at a perspective employee’s resume to see if he has the relevant experience, right? You know what I mean.
I asked the question about the Constitution, because I know that so many conservatives cry out that word in discussion of other topics. You know what I mean.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
“Good thing given that CiC goes to just one, the President of the USofA.”
Which just happens to be a politician – which are folks skilled in the art of bs.
Oh Joy.
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
Peadawg,
Not that anyone cares, but I am usually eager to admit when I’ve been wrong, because it’s the best way forward. The words don’t taste like vinegar; they taste like common sense. Trust is built in such ways, but thanks as always for demonstrating your cluelessness by stereotyping. (I’ve never thought that all men were pigs. There are TONS of terrific men out there. Maybe one day you’ll grow up and be one of them.)
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
“What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer?”
to me this is the essence of the issue. Just for an bit of an extreme example: if that had been a meeting that was LITERALLY behind “locked” doors…then the harm would have been being FORCED to listen to that prayer, or any prayer.
If not locked, then anyone who was offended could have chosen to leave until the prayer was completed.
But you can’t leave out things like social pressures, and having to work within a group…stuff like that. Even if offended, sometimes it’s better to just let it ride than to offend those with whom you have to work.
Personally, I do not bow my head nor close my eyes when I’m at a public function where a prayer is offered. But out of respect to the sincerity (presumed) of the person offering the prayer I do stay quiet until it is finished.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
12:52 pm
I think TX textbooks are gonna’ need a sticker
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:53 pm
“is pretty rare though”
Unless you are prepared to converse with EVERY woman alive today, you’re going to have to deal with your lack of credibilty when making such a statement.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
“I am just saying that with experience in any endeavor, military or otherwise, you have more credibility.”
Well, I know plenty of folks that are ex-military, and their “credibility” is very questionable – know what I mean. Just because they were “in”, doesn’t mean they are not clueless.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
” There are TONS of terrific men out there.”
And maybe you’ll find one to put with you one of these days.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
“Which just happens to be a politician”
If you actually believe that armed forces officers AREN’T politicians, you didn’t get high enough in the ranks…and you still have A lot to learn.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:55 pm
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated?
Somehow I just don’t envision someone calling out “Praise Allah” after one of those harmless opening prayers at a “government” meeting as being welcome with the same open arms as an “Amen”. Then again, a YouTube could prove me wrong!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:56 pm
“And maybe you’ll find one to put with you one of these days.”
Keep it up, you’re getting very close to fitting the description of an MCP
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:57 pm
md,
Your statement was narrow-minded because it was given as an absolute rather than simply one of an infinite number of possibilities — something that you have emphasized quite often in the past.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:58 pm
Jim @ 12.28 sez it’s over because the BoE member was partially quoting Earl Warren.
However, I googled this:
“Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people. I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion.”
So far I’ve uncovered a couple of right wing sites which, in turn, claim to quote a Time magazine article from 1954 containing these lines.
I don’t see how the BoE member quoting from Earl Warren actually changes the discussion much; at best I’ll give her style points if the quote’s legit.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:58 pm
Doggone, when I was stationed at Goodfellow Air Base in Texas, a good friend of mine who was quite into his religion invited me to attend Sunday services with a good deal of persistence. I was brought up Catholic and was not terribly interested in a “holy roller, speak in tongues religion. However, after six consecutive invitations, I accepted. I just warned him, “Do not proselytize to me.”
Well, the pastor found the stranger in the congregation – me. Next thing, I know, I am on my knees at the front of the church with about a dozen women hovering over me. That little group was a beseeching me to pray to the lord personally. I guess saying the “Holy Mary” did not go over well.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:59 pm
“Keep it up, you’re getting very close to fitting the description of an MCP”
An Microsoft Certified Professional? Huh?
She dished it out. She should be able to take it as well.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:00 pm
FrankLeeDarling , perhaps a “Toxic Waste” sticker would do.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
1:00 pm
I think TX textbooks are gonna’ need a sticker
What! A “King Perry Edition” sticker for the front cover.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
“I guess saying the “Holy Mary” did not go over well”
I bet not!
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated?
So if a prayer was offered at a government meeting, to Allah, hoping that He would lead us to the destruction of the US constitution, the banning of the Bill of Rights, and for all young men to join forces as suicide bombers, it would be all good? It is just an inappropriate prayer….
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
Bless Peadawg’s little um…. heart.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
“She dished it out. She should be able to take it as well”
That knife cuts both ways
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:03 pm
I pray for Peadawg’s soul. God is a woman.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:04 pm
“That knife cuts both ways”
I took her comment with a good laugh.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
1:04 pm
So if a prayer was offered at a government meeting, to Allah, hoping that He would lead us to the destruction of the US constitution, the banning of the Bill of Rights, and for all young men to join forces as suicide bombers, it would be all good? It is just an inappropriate prayer….
Then I suggest you not say something like that.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:05 pm
Church and state should be kept seperate…….church is a man made plan to keep folks under a rulers thumb.
DawgDad
May 24th, 2010
1:05 pm
Jay: I agree with you. I suspect most conservatives would, too, at face value of your article. I would point out, however, that “atheism” is an “ism” and it’s promotion by those in government (including the schools) is extremely repugnant to people of faith. NO ONE’s rights should be placed above the other.
john
May 24th, 2010
1:06 pm
It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. If some of you actually went to church, you would see that the vast majority help with serving the homeless, donations, mending drug and alcohol addiction, have great marriage counseling, and generally do a lot to help their fellow man….
But the liberals love to bash them and stick up for Hollywood nut jobs….Yeah, those evil Christians….
Lets face it most Liberals are miserable, unhappy people who can’t be happy so therfore must try to bring everyone else down….its really sad
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
“that “atheism” is an “ism” and it’s promotion by those in government (including the schools) is extremely repugnant to people of faith. NO ONE’s rights should be placed above the other.”
How do schools promote atheism?
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
“I pray for Peadawg’s soul.”
Thanks. I’m trying get a promotion and get into graduate school. I really appreciate it.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
Well, I need to have a bite to eat. Here is my prayer for the day.
Good bread,
Good meat,
Good God,
Let’s eat.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:08 pm
It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. If some of you actually went to church, you would see that the vast majority help with serving the homeless, donations, mending drug and alcohol addiction, have great marriage counseling, and generally do a lot to help their fellow man….
Better yet, just send in more tithes. Have you tithed this hour.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:08 pm
Peadawg, Grad School is neither heaven nor hell; more like Purgatory.
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
1:09 pm
Oh, I can take it, Pea-man. And if my assessment of you — based on your apparent need to stereotype women inaccurately in an unflattering way — is actually wrong, I am willing to admit it. Bless your heart.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:09 pm
Hey John.This statement……. ” It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. ”
Didn’t Bush pray to “HIS GOD”….before attacking Iraq ?
Heston
May 24th, 2010
1:11 pm
Damn them all to… oops! Wrong prayer. Where’s my Soylent Green script?
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:12 pm
PTL, it is not so much religion, as the hypocritical “religious” lot who employ religion to promote a political agenda. And then there are the hypocrits of course who preach morality and practice infidelity.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
1:12 pm
If some of you actually went to church…
Been there, done that, took the guilt trip.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:13 pm
Bless your heart.
Thank you, ma’am.
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:13 pm
So, Liberals attack Christianity like it is a hate filled disease….but your little rant about Liberals was soooo love filled?
This liberal does not have a problem with Christianity, I have a problem with it being shoved into politics.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:14 pm
Back in the day, a sticker I proposed be put in every Bible in Cobb County:
This book, written by men, proposes to speak on behalf of and contains material on god. God is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.
It never got any traction…
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:14 pm
mel, Amen.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:15 pm
Purgatory: “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven”
theyeshaveit, if the “enter the joy of heaven” is getting a raise, I’m all for it.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:15 pm
AmVet, I went to a Catholic elementary school in Cobb County. No chance of traction there.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
Religion and WAR…… inseparable since the dawn of Religion.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
Now, I really have to get out of the blogosphere. Bye for now.
Jay's blog
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
The bible does come with a disclaimer. It’s on the very last page of every bible I’ve ever read: “No humans were harmed in the saving of this planet”.
I feel better.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:17 pm
Hey “songbird” …..you certainly do represent the Religious Right in your statement……bad karma my friend !
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
Perhaps Tipper and the PMRC can review the TX TXT books
md
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
“If you actually believe that armed forces officers AREN’T politicians, you didn’t get high enough in the ranks…and you still have A lot to learn.”
And the difference is they are primarily military first, politician second , whereas the CIC is politician first, military second.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
The Songbird practicing voodoo without the doll.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:20 pm
501ST!!
YEA…its my lucky day!
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:20 pm
I want to ask DawgDad too. Where do you see schools or government promoting atheism? It always seemed quite the opposite to me. I’d just love to see an atheist candidate run for office.
md
May 24th, 2010
1:22 pm
“Your statement was narrow-minded because it was given as an absolute rather than simply one of an infinite number of possibilities — something that you have emphasized quite often in the past.”
You’re right, I try to make it a habit to use the words may, some, etc – and I didn’t. But your post seems very one sided since you only included one party as the reason for no compromise.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:22 pm
Good bread,
Good meat,
Good God,
Let’s eat.
Hey! I like that one.
A bit more high-brow than, “Rub a dub, dub. Please pass the grub.”
PTl, like Carlin’s line in his hysterical skit on religion:
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good b__ls__t story. Holy Sh_t!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:22 pm
“This liberal does not have a problem with Christianity, I have a problem with it being shoved into politics”
And speaking as a liberal Christian, I also do not have a problem with Chritianity…but I do have a problem with how some choose to interpret it.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:24 pm
DoggoneGA, and “intrepret” is the operative word, isn’t it?
songbird
May 24th, 2010
1:25 pm
Peter – I’m an atheist/Jew. You might want to read the comment from NRB2 before you judge what I said. He wished Bill Maher testicular cancer.
jconservative
May 24th, 2010
1:26 pm
I guess this is everybody looking out for him/herself when you are in a public forum and this type of prayer comes up. I always ignore that prayer; when they are finished, I then say a silent prayer asking for a blessing. But that is me. I try not to sit in judgment.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:26 pm
“DoggoneGA, and “intrepret” is the operative word, isn’t it?”
Absolutely. My biggest peeve is those who can SAY the “Golden Rule” but then act as if it said “Do unto others before they do unto you”
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:27 pm
“liberal Christian”
I didn’t know one such thing existed. Oxymoron much?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:28 pm
Gale, NOW you’ve gone and done it!!!
And this is exactly where the Christian BS hits the road.
If ANY atheist candidate, otherwise perfectly credentialed, with an impeccable past of achievement, service, contribution and excellence EVER ran for high office in America and publicly proclaimed his non-godly beliefs, there would a firestorm like you’ve never seen.
These godly Christians would go absolutely batshiite crazy. Guaranteed.
williebkind
May 24th, 2010
1:28 pm
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:13 pm
So what do we do with the constitution that states you can not abridge the free exercise thereof. You know that is the part right after separation of church and state that so many of you forget to read and understand!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:28 pm
“I didn’t know one such thing existed”
And now you’ve learned something.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:29 pm
Peadawg @ 1:27, make up stuff much?
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:29 pm
Hey “songbird”….. You wrote it…… did you not ? Bad Karma !
Carolyn Walker
May 24th, 2010
1:30 pm
One does NOT need to believe in the literal truth of every word in the bible in order to be Christian. Most of it is metaphor and poetry designed to open minds and hearts. I find it annoying to listen to the fundamentalist ANTI-religion folks who make assumptions that ALL Christians believe this right wing fundamentalist cr-p, whether about gays, global climate change or the Constitution. Most of us are really quite sane and do NOT believe in public political diatribe disguised as prayer. In fact many of us (maybe most) object vigorously. I also do not like threats or wishes for disease on those with whom we disagree!
Birther's Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
1:30 pm
But your post seems very one sided since you only included one party as the reason for no compromise.
That may be true. Then again, there are only two major parties and if only one, quite openly, does not compromise, I see no reason to fault the both parties at that point.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:32 pm
“Peadawg @ 1:27, make up stuff much?”
Nope. Just didn’t know it existed. I thought “liberal Christian” was an oxymoron.
williebkind
May 24th, 2010
1:32 pm
If I have the free exercise of religion then I can do it in government, public land or in my home. Progressive liberals are atheist so God means nothing to them. I understand that but their rights do not exceed my individuals rights. You have the constitutional right to be OFFENDED! Political correctness is social behavior that has gone awry.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:32 pm
AmVet, I’ve often fantasized about trying to explain to voters why atheism was a non-issue in an election. In the fantasy, as in real elections, common sense people agree and say nothing. The vocal ones are those having their preconceived notions questioned.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
“And now you’ve learned something.”
As much as you complain about Christians, the Bible, prayer, etc., I would have never guessed it.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
So is Bill Maher your dad or lover…is that what made you so upset?
Normal
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
Songbird,
“I’m an atheist/Jew”…Whoa! Talk about bi-polar!!!
Actually I have a problem with Atheistism. I just don’t believe all this is random. The odds are too great. There is a Creator, for sure.
But there’s a case to be made as to if He/She cares one whit for the creation. Sorta like when I was a kid, I would make a model ship then take it out and blow it up with my BB gun…
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
Carolyn, but you DO believe that one day you’ll get to live forever and ever with others who believe what you do…don’t you? Do you believe in the “christian” (version of) god?
songbird
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
Peter – it was a sarcastic comment. Get it.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:33 pm
“liberal Christian”
JESUS!
Oops! Did I say something wrong.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:34 pm
Same here Normal…but we would just crap all over ours.
songbird
May 24th, 2010
1:35 pm
I am bi-polar when it comes to religion. I put atheist first since I was born a Jew. Can’t help that part. what I think today is my choice.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:35 pm
Hey Carolyn Walker…….very good post…… everyone has their right ti believe as they wish……You obviously have an open mind.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:35 pm
Carolyn, thanks for speaking out for what I believe to be “most” Christians.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:36 pm
Peadawg, yeah riiight. I know you’re smarter than that.
willie, like every other constitutional debate, all I can say is that after 222 years, its a work in progress.
Just curious, do you concur or not with my premise at 1:28?
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:36 pm
Sounds more like a bunch of random yet sour notes.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:37 pm
“I thought “liberal Christian” was an oxymoron.”
I rest my case in reference to the Golden Rule
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:37 pm
songbird, just curious, what happens when you die? Are you one of the people that thinks you come back as a tree or something? A lot of the atheists I’ve met think that.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:38 pm
I just don’t believe all this is random. The odds are too great.
Random — God’s way of saying “Why not! I’ll try anything once.”
You might be surprised what “Random” can create, given enough time.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:39 pm
“I am bi-polar when it comes to religion. I put atheist first since I was born a Jew.”
You;’re sing my song, song bird! Note for note, with prefect pitch!
I have very little use personally, though I have considerably experience with two of the three, with the Abrahamic religions.
(For entertainment value, I’m more into Zeus and Athena…)
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:39 pm
Sure, Amvet. I’m sure Christians would be upset if an atheist was elected. Just like Democrats are upset when a Republican is in office and vise-versa.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:39 pm
Peadawg, If the atheists you’ve met told you that, they were probably making fun of you.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
1:40 pm
From the Jefferson Bible page 49. Seems pretty clear to me.
“And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: For they love to pray standing in the Synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may have glory of men.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut the door, pray to thy father which is in secret”
This is the intention of our founding fathers. Its time we spell it out with an amendment. NO PUBLIC PRAYER.
Jesus hates it. …”that they be seen of men.” What do you not understand about “in secret?”
How could he spell it out any further?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:40 pm
“As much as you complain about Christians, the Bible, prayer, etc., I would have never guessed it.”
Don’t mistake honest disagreement with complaining.
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:42 pm
wilkie – I am aware of the separation, I was merely trying to show that it is ok to offer a Christian prayer that may offend people – if you read the posts here – but that it would not be ok to offer a Muslim prayer that may offend people.
“Progressive liberals are atheist so God means nothing to them.” – Um….where to begin on that one…athesists don’t believe in God, so, no that by definition would mean he means nothing to them. But to state that all progressive liberals are atheist, shows a real lack of cognative reasoning skills.
md
May 24th, 2010
1:42 pm
“That may be true. Then again, there are only two major parties and if only one, quite openly, does not compromise, I see no reason to fault the both parties at that point.”
I saw 2 parties playing the same game, as both, quite openly, did not compromise. But I see things from the middle, and did not see either group get to where I am.
But that is just me ( and about 1/3 of the country according to polls)
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:43 pm
All you new age thinkers and young whippersnappers with your new fangled bibles with fancy smancy words and ideas. Im afraid you are gonna be left at the station watching as the “Bus For BeulahLand” speeds away.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:44 pm
DannyX…bless your heart.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:45 pm
Hey Songbird……The Universal mind or Karma……doesn’t recognize sarcastic comment.
Get it ?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:45 pm
Upset?
I spoke of a firestorm, Peadawg.
If you think McCarthy had fun, these people would make what he did look like a Cub Scout filed trip.
And I agree with Gale. Trees??? Musta been one helluva bong-fest…
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:46 pm
But I see things from the middle, and did not see either group get to where I am.
Your middle and my middle must be on different sides of the middle – with you in that 1/6th and me in this 1/6th. We could always wave to each other from a distance.
John K
May 24th, 2010
1:47 pm
Just like clockwork, we’re down to “Liberals hate religion/Christianity/God” and/or Liberals can’t be Christian.
I guess it’s true that some folks are willingly force-fed.
md
May 24th, 2010
1:48 pm
“Most of it is metaphor and poetry designed to open minds and hearts.”
Or is it??
The interesting aspect of all the beliefs is they may all be 100% wrong, a % of right and wrong or 100% right – yet as of today, we have no way of knowing which is which.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:49 pm
“guess it’s true that some folks are willingly force-fed.”
Or….are, they…Hmmmmmm!!
songbird
May 24th, 2010
1:50 pm
Peter – please repeat after me…OM……
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:50 pm
re: proof Little things like carbon dating lead us to doubt the earth is about 6000 years old. Little things lead to the erosion of the absoluteness of scripture.
md
May 24th, 2010
1:51 pm
“Your middle and my middle must be on different sides of the middle – with you in that 1/6th and me in this 1/6th. We could always wave to each other from a distance.”
I’m a floater – depends on the issue as to where I fall within that “middle”. Some issues we may both be in the same 1/6th, some issues I may be the only one on the planet that agrees with me.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:51 pm
“Little things lead to the erosion of the absoluteness of scripture.”
And hence erosion of the mind. See Underwater Canyons.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:52 pm
Folks Hitler was a conservative……… and Jesus would have been a Liberal.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
1:53 pm
Not only was Jesus a liberal, he was a political radical.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
1:53 pm
If you do come back as something else, I want to come back as a cat in a loving home…then I would finally be master of my castle…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:53 pm
“Little things lead to the erosion of the absoluteness of scripture.”
Only if you have been taught to believe in the absoluteness of scripture.
md
May 24th, 2010
1:54 pm
“re: proof Little things like carbon dating lead us to doubt the earth is about 6000 years old.”
“If” there is a creator capable of making all that “is”, I’m sure false carbon dating readings wouldn’t be a problem.
anonymous from across the table
May 24th, 2010
1:54 pm
Ayes to God, Nays to Satan!
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:54 pm
Jesus was a Capricorn.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
1:54 pm
liberals are atheist so God means nothing to them.
Do you honestly believe that if you repeat this lie often enough it’ll become true?
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:55 pm
Hey songbird..if there is anything I believe in, is Buddhist and Taoist Philosophy.
If there is a God…..he is in all living things………as all was placed here for a reason, and all is perfect.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:55 pm
Right now is the time someone should fire up the PFUNK!!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:56 pm
“Not only was Jesus a liberal, he was a political radical”
No, that’s not correct. If he had been a political radical…and there were PLENTY of those in his day…he would have lead a physical revolution, not a spiritual one. Hence the “Give unto Cesar…” bit. What he taught was how to live the life of a believer when you have NO political or social power. But his teachings can also be a source for good for those who DO have that power.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
1:57 pm
Jesus was a Capricorn.
Give me a break.
Mick
May 24th, 2010
1:57 pm
How did god come into existence?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:57 pm
OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5DrKBNS8so
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:58 pm
Not only was Jesus a liberal, he was a political radical.
Radical or not, I’d vote for him, as long as he delivered on that promise of free fish and bread for everyone.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:58 pm
Mick @ 1:57, it sounds irreverent as hell but I guess it musta been the Big Bang!
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
1:58 pm
Mick: Humans created him.
md
May 24th, 2010
2:00 pm
“How did god come into existence?”
Made by his god??
Along the lines of what is beyond infinity??
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
2:01 pm
Saul, from one of the greatest LPs ever recorded:
In the beginning Man created God;
and in the image of Man
created he him.
And Man gave unto God a multitude of
names,that he might be Lord of all
the earth when it was suited to Man
And on the seven millionth
day Man rested and did lean
heavily on his God and saw that
it was good.
And Man formed Aqualung of
the dust of the ground, and a
host of others likened unto his kind.
And these lesser men were cast into the
void; And some were burned, and some were
put apart from their kind.
And Man became the God that he had
created and with his miracles did
rule over all the earth.
But as all these things
came to pass, the Spirit that did
cause man to create his God
lived on within all men: even
within Aqualung.
And man saw it not.
But for Christ’s sake he’d
better start looking.
~Ian Anderson 1971
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
2:02 pm
How did god come into existence?
Another “Random” creation, I suppose. That “Random” is some powerful stuff.
Gerald West
May 24th, 2010
2:02 pm
When a “Christian” prays in public you can be quite sure that he is either ignorant of Scripture or willfully ignoring the clear and direct teachings of Christ.
Christ instructed his followers to pray in private, never in public. He explained why: a person engaging in public prayer is doing so to impress his fellow man, not to communicate with God. God does not listen to or reward such hypocrisy.
Christ provided a model for prayer consisting of a few concise sentences in which the prayer acknowledges his responsibilities, repents of his transgressions, and asks for nothing more than what God is willing to grant (“Our Father in heaven …”).
Christ cautioned against long, repetitious chants and supplications in the manner of heathens.
Have you ever heard a political invocation or convocation that was not a mockery of Christ’s teachings about Christian prayer? I haven’t!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
2:02 pm
“Do you honestly believe that if you repeat this lie often enough it’ll become true?”
It makes you wonder with the way y’all are always complaining/whining about all things Christian…like today.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
2:03 pm
Mostly off topic (although I imagine praying might be involved in this endeavor).
Ok, who among us would be willing to try this?
This summer in New Mexico, Felix Baumgartner hopes to make the highest, longest and fastest fall ever.
His attempt will take him to an altitude where the atmosphere ends and space begins — where blood boils at body temperature, and the air temperature could be as low as minus 70 degrees Fahrenheit.
The first step in the attempt will be riding a helium balloon to an altitude of 120,000 feet above sea level — almost 23 miles — higher than anyone has ascended in a balloon before.
Then, wearing a pressurized suit and oxygen tanks, he plans to jump out of his capsule for a five-minute fall back to Earth. Within the first 30 seconds, he expects to be falling faster than the speed of sound, which at that altitude is around 690 miles per hour. Crossing that barrier would mark a new test of the limits of the human body.
“This is what we want to find out: What happens to the human body when it breaks the speed of sound,” Baumgartner said. “That’s a big question mark.”
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:03 pm
Jesus would be a conservative because he loves the $664 billion defense budget.
Jesus would be a conservative because when he returns he’ll make a cool million for each rich person he brings back to life.
Jesus would be a conservative because he just loved “Shock and Awe.”
Jesus would be a conservative because he hates those Christian immigrants from the south.
Jesus would be a conservative because he loves the rich, hates the poor.
Jesus would be a conservative because he’s against socialized health care.
Jesus would be a conservative because he says “Drill, baby, drill.”
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
2:03 pm
AmVet… great LP… great 1st line…so true.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
2:05 pm
Along the lines of what is beyond infinity??
Buzz Lightyear?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:05 pm
“Christ instructed his followers to pray in private, never in public”
We’ve actually been hashing this one out already…here’s the unanswered question: if Jesus “rule” against praying in public was so hard and fast, why did HE pray in public?
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
2:07 pm
Enter your comments here
Mick
May 24th, 2010
2:07 pm
The big bang theory – so out of nothing came something?
md
May 24th, 2010
2:07 pm
“This is what we want to find out: What happens to the human body when it breaks the speed of sound,” Baumgartner said. “That’s a big question mark.”
May be what HE wants to find out, but I’m content with guessing.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
2:08 pm
“big bang theory”
Hilarious t.v. show.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
2:08 pm
as all these things
came to pass, the Spirit that did
cause man to create his God
lived on within all men: even
within Aqualung.
And man saw it not.
True.
You’d think that, nearly forty (yikes!) years on since that lp’s release, we’d have figured at least that much out.
(He’s not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.)
Tally Hoe
May 24th, 2010
2:09 pm
Obama’s economy? Comments 330
Braveheart? Comments 239
North Korea threatens war? Comments 162
Rand Paul? Comments 273
Georgia poor stewart? Comments 32
Pelosi’s DADT? Comments 225
BP finally admits? Comments 173
Weekends ommitted.
The abuse of heavenly prayer? Comments 581
Like moths to Jay’s flame.
SUCKAS!
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:09 pm
That’s not the hard and fast answer. That was your answer. Jesus gave direct orders and spelled out the reasons.
NO public prayer. In private means in private.
md
May 24th, 2010
2:10 pm
“if Jesus “rule” against praying in public was so hard and fast, why did HE pray in public?”
And how do we “know” that he did?? Could have been a misprint…….or one of those metaphors………or a misrepresentation…….or true.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
2:10 pm
And as he plummets toward earth at the speed of sound, he mutters with his last breath, “God, you could have granted me that wisdom request a little bit earlier.”
Normal
May 24th, 2010
2:11 pm
(He’s not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.)
Got yer battery pac, did ya?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:11 pm
“Jesus gave direct orders and spelled out the reasons.”
And yet…the context of the “rule” is not prayer, but hypocrisy.
md
May 24th, 2010
2:14 pm
In reality, It is pretty simple logic:
Logic dictates that it is all quite illogical.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
2:14 pm
funny I saw a billboard on I-75 that read, “God is not a socialist”.I just had to laugh even my conservative libertarian friend was betting he most likely WOULD be a socialist,talk about politicizing
religion,the whole point of the billboard seemed to be a anti Obama campaign
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
2:18 pm
Regarding the creation of god via the Big Bang Theory, was one of the parties involved the Big Bopper?
Oh baby! You know what I like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcC_ni0ojo
(Tally’s ho, if this blogging thing don’t work our for ya, you might try being a score keeper for junior high softball games…)
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:18 pm
“And yet…the context of the “rule” is not prayer, but hypocrisy.”
Its not just the hypocrisy. Its about the relationship one has with God. Prayer is not about others, its about self. That’s also why we are told to “pray in secret.” “Secret” is a very strong word. It can’t have any other meaning.
md
May 24th, 2010
2:18 pm
“funny I saw a billboard on I-75 that read, “God is not a socialist”.I just had to laugh even my conservative libertarian friend was betting he most likely WOULD be a socialist”
I doubt too many would argue with his form of socialism – he didn’t take from one to give to another – he just made more.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
2:19 pm
May be what HE wants to find out, but I’m content with guessing.
yeah, I’d be fine and dandy with not knowing for sure, either.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:21 pm
“Prayer is not about others, its about self. ”
Then why did Jesus pray in public?
Mick
May 24th, 2010
2:22 pm
md
**Logic dictates that it is all quite illogical**
That is the conundrum, isn’t it?
Peter
May 24th, 2010
2:23 pm
Hey DoggoneGA…….. What man has written about Jesus, was he “taught” others to pray……and to teach one must do it publicly.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
2:27 pm
Oh I get it md,he’s like those guys at the federal reserve.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:27 pm
“What man has written about Jesus, was he “taught” others to pray……and to teach one must do it publicly.”
and was it impossible for him to live up to his rule by teaching each disciple privately, and then they, in turn, teaching others privately.
It’s an unanswerable conundrum. My personal belief is that Jesus came to point the way back to God, not to provide a road map. But that there are, and always will be, people who want rules…not directions. Which is fine, right up to the moment the rules become more important that the journey’s end.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
2:29 pm
Amvet…another good one from Ian
Oh father high in heaven — smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games — his women and his gun.
Oh Jesus save me!
And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood
to set the white man free.
Oh Jesus save me!
If Jesus saves — well, He’d better save Himself
from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon —
His cross was rather bloody —
He could hardly roll His stone.
Oh Jesus save me!
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
2:31 pm
“…funny I saw a billboard on I-75 that read, “God is not a socialist.”
Does one presume he was a
a) fascist
b) anarchist
c) capitalist
d) monarchist
e) enlightened absolutist
f) kleptocratist
g) Allah the above
Liberal Pariah
May 24th, 2010
2:31 pm
As a conservative Christian, I finally found something with which I agree with Doggone. Jesus instruction about praying in public was addressing the hypocrisy of the religious leaders of that day. Had nothing to do with rules for his followers.
Also, Jesus did not have a problem with ‘wealth redistribution’ as long as it was a voluntary act of the individual helping those in need. Jesus’ idea of social justice did not involve the Federal Government.
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
2:31 pm
Anyone that wants to blend religion and politics is potentially dangerous. Anyone with fervent religious beliefs, especially those based on such flimsy evidence as the obviously fictional bible, as also potentially dangerous. What’s harder to believe, the Big Bang oming from nothing, god always was and forever shall be, or Jesus and Christianity is the only true god, and all the other b3eliefs are nonsense!
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
2:33 pm
Allah the above ,ha ha I like that one Amvet ,clever.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
2:34 pm
I read recently where Jesus said he was more popular than the Beatles…(Especially that Lennon a__hole!)
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
2:34 pm
g) Allah the above
LOLOL!
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:35 pm
“Had nothing to do with rules for his followers.”
It had everything to do with rules for his followers and Jesus gives the reason. When you pray in front of man its for man. When you pray “in secret” it is to God.
Liberal Pariah
May 24th, 2010
2:37 pm
Well John B, if you enjoy living in the Constitutional Republic called the United States of America and enjoy the freedoms it offers, you should be thankful our Founding Fathers pursued the politics they did because of their firmly held Biblical beliefs.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
2:37 pm
What about when the Cataholics pray inside that box (coffin built for 2) to some guy on the other side…who is that for?
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
2:38 pm
OK,beware cause………….
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=i+am+the+god+of+hellfire&aq=7m
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:38 pm
“Jesus’ idea of social justice did not involve the Federal Government.”
I don’t think could necessarily prove that. Jesus spoke first and foremost to people in a time and an economic status where they had NO political power whatsoever. So he taught them how to return to spirituality without them. He did not enjoin his followers to NEVER use a political system to bring about a riteous life. And please note that I said “righteous” not religious.
I do not want anyone’s religion in the political system we have here, but I have no problem with a religious person using their beliefs to bring about the greater social good (not religious good) that we should strive for when commanded to care for the sick, the poor, and the destitute. The Bible constantly refers to “widows and children” because in that day and place they were the least powerful, and the most subject to abuse. They are “stand-ins” for anyone who needs help.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
2:39 pm
I’ve always wondered about these “Christian Principles” upon which this country was believed to be founded. What are these principles and what about them makes them unique to Christianity? Should we allow multiple wives? Should Onanism be legal (that question is for you, Andy)? Should it be a crime to do any work on Sunday? Or is it Saturday?…that part is confusing since the Bible doesn’t mention specific days of the week. What about the origin of the Bible? There was a lot of dissent over what should be part of the Bible….and what should be left out….and how it should be translated…and how it should be interpreted. I mean some Christians think it sinful to dance or drink wine, beer, or spirits.
What exactly are these principles? Were the Catholics the first Christians? Or maybe the Orthodox Christians….or the Copts (aren’t they one and the same?)? How about those KKK people who professed their love of Jesus Christ while condemning Cathoilics, Jews and Blacks?
Personally I wish they would all be taxed and required to undergo retraining in the principles of kindness (helping others), possessions (poverty), killing vs turning the other cheek, tolerance, etc. Either that or get “HYPOCRITE” tattooed on their foreheads.
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
2:39 pm
DannyX – Did god tell you that (after he finished guiding W) or did you just pick that up in bible study?
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
2:40 pm
I read recently where Jesus said he was more popular than the Beatles…(Especially that Lennon a__hole!)
I also heard that he does Blankfein’s work. Can you believe that!
Liberal Pariah
May 24th, 2010
2:43 pm
The context of Jesus instruction was about hypocrites and their prayers. Matthew 6:5 is the verse before and it puts it in the right context.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
2:43 pm
TIME FOR ANOTHER THREAD.
Bookman has gone to worrying about a prayer at a meeting in Texas. Big deal! Then all you people who never go to church and trash religion know exactly what should happen there.
Well, I’m for letting the people in Texas do as they wish at meetings. Those of you who are scared to death of prayer in public, relax. Millions of people pray and they will continue to do so. It won’t hurt you non-prayer people one bit. Even if it is done in public!!
If you don’t pray, then forget it. If you are so sensitive a prayer ruins your whole day, take a pill. If you don’t want politician’s personal convictions displayed, then elect robots.
As I have already posted: GET ANOTHER THREAD. This one is much ado about nothing.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
2:45 pm
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:27 pm
Well said. See, God can bring people together and normally don’t agree on anything.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:45 pm
I have to warn you John Birch. W was able to read a soul by looking into a persons eyes, like he did with Putin. I have a similar gift, I can do it over the Internet. I only need a screen name.
You are evil John Birch!! Evil, evil, evil. You will burn somewhere.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
2:45 pm
that normally don’t*****
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
2:46 pm
First of all….jesus didn’t “SAY anything” as far as anyone can prove. His “story” was written by other humans… HE himself did not author any books or write down any of his own speeches that were handed down to others…nor did he write the bible (again… something was written by several humans after an absurdly loooong game of telephone)… nor can anyone even PROVE that he ever existed. Seems to me his “story” mimics another story that came out of India 1,200 years before his….born to a virgin, on dec. 25th, 12 disciples, baptized… oh it was an “original” story alright.
Anyway….
The “virgin” Mary huh? Seems to me she was some teen who got knocked up by the pimple faced kid who lived in the next hut… when confronted by her father she just stuck with her story saying: “but daddy… I SWEAR I didn’t have sex with anyone”… and the gullible fool bought it. I mean if your own daughter told you something like that…would you BELIEVE her and say….oh ya…. my daughter is pregnant with “gods” child… holy jeeezbus!
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
2:47 pm
Dusty – None of us are “scared” of prayer. It would be more accurate to say that you are “scared” that public prayer would become illegal (kinda like smoking in public).
Public prayer is a lot like second hand smoke….I’m just sayin’
Peter
May 24th, 2010
2:47 pm
Hey Danny X….. Man wrote the Bible……thus man “said or wrote”……. Jesus told us to pray in private.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:47 pm
Dusty, the Bible really doesn’t think its proper for a woman to be involved with in these discussions.
I’m sorry you have to go. Its in the Bible.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
2:48 pm
PTL, regarding my quiz, at 2:31, I’d LOVE to believe god is a capitalist, but again, as George Carlin pointed out, he’s just so damned lousy with money.
Very disappointing…
There are so MANY pages of anti-Christian writings by the Founding Fathers, it is indeed a mystery…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:48 pm
“Well said. See, God can bring people together and normally don’t agree on anything”
Thanks Peadawg. It’s why I’m so adamant about keeping religion out of politics, but not keeping religion out of society. But there are too many people around who can’t distinguish the difference.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
2:49 pm
Dusty….I’m going to attend every “public” government meeting I can…and stand out and shout out loud some Muslim prayers… would you not “care” about that either? keep your religion/prayers where it belongs….at your cult’s CHURCH (happily paid for by the cult’s members)…
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
2:51 pm
DannyX – I don’t doubt your psychic abaility for a minute but you’re not dialed in in this one. I can occasionally be brutally direct with people who have the unmitigated gall to claim to know the word of god but otherwise I’m good, good, good. I just don’t need the promise of heaven or the fear of fire and brimstone to live a moral life.
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
2:52 pm
I don’t really believe in the Bible. Most people don’t when it comes right down to it. Nobody actually follows it.
The Bible is used mainly as a weapon. There is nothing that says I can’t use the same weapon.
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
2:53 pm
Everyone on this planet came from two white people named Adam and Eve!
For the Bible tells me sooooo.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
2:53 pm
I sense Dusty is actually trying to reach out.
Liberal Pariah
May 24th, 2010
2:54 pm
Here goes N-GA. The most secular, rationalistic and self consciously non-Christian of all the Founders of the United States was Thomas Jefferson. In the Declaration of Independence that he authored, Jefferson claimed that ‘all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. He goes on to say that human rights are not privileges dispensed or withdrawn at the discretion of the State. Rather they are gifts from God which no prince or potentate, no State or sovereign , may take away. That is the key insight behind the American revolution, not democracy or majority rule– and it is not derived from secular philosophy, but from Biblical religion. Most people that don’t know this were probably educated in Texas in the last 10 years but will learning the correct history soon
All the issues that you throw out are good for discussion but are not relevant to the fact that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles whether you like it or not.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
2:54 pm
NGA 2:47
Anyone who equates prayer with smoking in public is probably smoking something at home.
Stay in the haze, NGA. You seem to enjoy it.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
2:56 pm
“Then why did Jesus pray in public?”
We don’t really know that. We think we know what other men wrote about what he did. But we don’t even know that their words have been faithfully translated or whether they might have written something other than truth to suit their own purposes.
Gale
May 24th, 2010
2:59 pm
Saul Good @2:46 Best reason for comparative religions yet. Did scripture writers plagiarize?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
2:59 pm
Liberal Pariah…you do realize, don’t you, that those were not Jefferson’s original words. Those are what came out of discussions and negotiations. Jefferson’s rought draft of the Declarat was worded differently and only contained the word “God” once and did not contain the word “Creator” at all.
http://web.duke.edu/eng169s2/group1/lex3/roughpl.htm
If you want JEFFERSON’S thoughts, read the rough draft…not the finshed document.
JDW
May 24th, 2010
2:59 pm
Liberal Pariah at 2:37
“you should be thankful our Founding Fathers pursued the politics they did because of their firmly held Biblical beliefs.”
Some reality to go with your fiction:
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.” – Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
Every man “ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.” – George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)
“Question with boldness even the existence of a god.” – Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of… Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.”- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
“Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth.” – Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” – James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)
“Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?” – John Adams
“The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.” – James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)
“As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” – (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 – signed by President John Adams.)
“As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith.” – Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)
Seems to me that the founding fathers had as we all should a great skepticism of religion in general. In particular of those that would attempt to tell the rest of us what “God’s Word” should be.
Splavistic
May 24th, 2010
3:00 pm
I pray that one day the last politician is strung up with the bowels of the last priest. Then, peace will prevail.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
3:01 pm
Those of you who are scared to death of prayer in public, relax.
The fear card. Predictable.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:01 pm
LP – Jefferson never could decide whether he was a Christian or a Deist, so don’t lecture me on what he thought or believed. But you can believe this…he owned slaves. Rationalize that!
And you didn’t bother to respond to the Christian Principles issue. Is that because they are not uniquely Christian, that they are shared by all other major religions?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
3:02 pm
JDW, like I said, pages and pages of anti-Christian sentiments by bunches of the Founding Fathers. A real knee slapper…
“Everyone on this planet came from two white people named Adam and Eve!”
But after them, it must get kinda incestuous, doncha think? (Eeeew.)
Actually Scooter, we’re all African-Americans…(J/k, don’t get your panties in a wad Klanners.)
http://www.anthro4n6.net/lucy/
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
3:02 pm
“I pray that one day the last politician is strung up with the bowels of the last priest. Then, peace will prevail”
Interesting that you invoke “peace” with violence.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:03 pm
Danny X, 2:47
You have a rib missing. You need to find it. Somebody took it and made something perfect from it. Men have been looking and yearning for it ever since.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:05 pm
Dusty – You chastized me the other day for name-calling. Does that make your 2:54 post hypocritical? I think it does….really.
In your case, it’s not so much what people say, but who says it. That makes you the blog hypocrite. I’ll wait for you to dress down one of your brethren when they resort to name-calling. I think we will be waiting a long, long time.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
3:05 pm
“he owned slaves. Rationalize that!”
And yet, he said “that all men are created equal and independent” something he knew he would not see in his lifetime, nor something that he knew he, himself, violated. An interesting paradox.
A CONSERVATIVE
May 24th, 2010
3:06 pm
JAY…..To Christians…..prayer is part of everyday life….something you agnostics..& athiests reject..WE REJECT YOU..& your kind….socialists.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
3:07 pm
Ah yes, the PERFECT patriarchal tale.
Woman was born of a man!
Mick
May 24th, 2010
3:07 pm
Holy doubting thomas – ye of little faith, must ye see to believe?
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:08 pm
Saul Good,
You are a bad boy!! But please, go ahead. Shout anything you wish at a public meeting.
Security people have long known how to handle people with diminished abilities and poisonous personalities. Have fun! They say that prison food is not too bad.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
3:08 pm
OK, for those who want to think that all paths lead to God, think on this one a minute – a potential “rant” by Jesus (not that he would have done that-my pastor wrote this!) Not meant to convert anyone, but if you consider yourself Christian, take heed…
“Really?
I am one of many ways to the Father to heaven? Really?
Do you have any idea of what you’re saying when you suggest that my death on the cross is just one of many ways to heaven?
As if there are 10 ways to heaven, and I just added one to the 10? Really?
You mean, I left heaven and set aside my glory, lived inside a human body (talk about claustrophobic when you’re using to being omnipresent!)
I went thru all the stages of human development, 9 months in mom, infancy, toddlers, teen years, and at 30 years revealed that I am from the Father, performed miracles, taught truth, all that leading up to one purpose – to seek and to save eternally lost humanity.
So at the hands of mere human beings, I voluntarily SUFFERED to death. I was flogged forty lashes minus one, physically beat, verbally abused, emotionally humiliated, a crown of thorns, endured the tortures of being nailed to a cross, bled to death, under excruciating pain.
Upon death I went to Lucifer and took the keys of death and Hades, I rose from the dead and was glorified, reinstated to my place of divine glory…
and did all that just to provide a tenth option for you to get to heaven?
Instead of leaving you with nine solid salvation options? Really?
I’m some kind of masochist that enjoys enduring suffering at the hands of sinful mankind, knowing full well that there were many other roads? Really?
You mean, I wouldn’t have paused and said ‘You know, let’s not go thru with this, to give them just one more option’ ?
Oh, no, no, I actually did all of this so you could have just one more option, from the salvation shelf of options. And you believe that? Really?”
A CONSERVATIVE
May 24th, 2010
3:10 pm
Mr. Karl Marx….There is no way to abuse prayer….If it was a Muslim…you would remain silent…You only attack Christian prayers..Jay…YOU ARE A YELLOW COWARD…A COWARD..A COWARD..
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:13 pm
A CONSERVATIVE – (your 3:10)
Would you STFU you intolerant weenie! You are the coward….terrified of anyone who believes differently than you. You who would impose your beliefs on others…just like the Taliban! There isn’t an iota of difference between you and them!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
3:13 pm
“YOU ARE A YELLOW COWARD…A COWARD..A COWARD..”
“Judge not, lest ye be judged”
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
3:14 pm
The Jefferson Bible is a great book.
He thought most of the Bible is mans perversion. “… they have caused good men to reject the whole in disgust and to view Jesus as an impostor.”
He studied mans influence on the Bible and made his own creation, a fraction of the size of the modern Bible. He removed the angels, resurrection, and all the miracles.
Jefferson did want you to “pray in secret.” That made the cut.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
3:14 pm
Dusty… so one should go to prison for leading a Muslim prayer at a government meeting? Let me ask….would you be “offended” by attending a government meeting where a Muslim leads a prayer and ends with “Praise Allah”… you’d be perfectly fine with that right?
(be honest now Dusty…you don’t want to break one of the “commandments” and end up in that place that adults scare little children into believing about in order to brainwash them to believe in a fantasy place that excludes NON BELIEVERS called hell).
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
3:16 pm
Looks like the heavy thinker has showed up…
Mick, it ain’t an absolute requirement, but how about the first scintilla of evidence?
Anyone? Anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmxpftPFXZg
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
3:16 pm
And yet, he said “that all men are created equal and independent” something he knew he would not see in his lifetime, nor something that he knew he, himself, violated.
DGA, the way I’m reading this, it sounds like you think ol’ TJ figured God was A-OK with human enslavement. Just for the record, Jefferson rather famously wrote of the slave trade:
Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever…
And later:
There is nothing I would not sacrifice to a practicable plan of abolishing every vestige of this moral and political depravity.
More about that here:
http://www.poplarforest.org/jefferson/plantation-life/jeffersons-views
bobo
May 24th, 2010
3:16 pm
if obama is following in gw’s footsteps and giving you even larger doses of gw policy, does obama become the worst prez in history after carter??
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:17 pm
NGA,
What name did I call you? NGA was the only one I mentioned. What you got was my opinion in reply to your opinion. Sorry you did not like it. Was I supposed to like yours??
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
3:17 pm
Whacks,
Many Christians don’t believe all that mythology stuff. Really.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
3:17 pm
Did you say heavy “thinker” or “drinker”… I mean his name IS Mick after all…;-)
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
3:18 pm
Whacks @ 3.08, sorry, but I just can’t see the Prince of Peace being such a whiner.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
3:19 pm
“if obama is following in gw’s footsteps and giving you even larger doses of gw policy, does obama become the worst prez in history after carter??”
DANG bobo! You were doing so damned good until you completely f&cked it up with that last word!
Jeez! ADD much?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
3:19 pm
“DGA, the way I’m reading this, it sounds like you think ol’ TJ figured God was A-OK with human enslavement.”
Nope, not at all. I think Jefferson wrote “words for the ages” knowing full well that that equality did not exist in his time, and that even he had not to the courage to bring it about in just his own little part of the world. Yet…and yet…he did have the courage to write it as a beacon for the future.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:20 pm
Ah yes, AMVET,
“Woman was born of man!!! And it still takes two to tango!! A lovely legend indeed.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:22 pm
Well Dusty – You said that I must be smoking something. I guess if I remarked that based upon your post that you must be a drunkard, you would think that was okay.
But you will squirm for a lifetime rather than admit your hypocrisy….all of us know that to be true.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
3:23 pm
Saul Good :
O.K. You’ve been pacing long enough.
Right now unless someone else comes along it’s Newt. But then again, it doesn’t take much to be better than a liberal.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
3:25 pm
This one is much ado about nothing.
On this, I agree with Dusty.
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
3:26 pm
Dog – No paradox, slaves were chattel and therefore not covered under his phrase all men. I think it’s more interesting thathe broke the 6th or 7th (depending on your sect) commandment with the adulterous affair with the chattel.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 24th, 2010
3:27 pm
Well, now I KNOW we’re in Socialism! A judge ordered this Lindsey Lohan to wear a bracelet that can tell if she’s drank any booze! The minute the word got out, everybody down here at the warehouse took off every piece of jewelry. You’ll see a whole bunch of nekkid arms at Billy Bob’s from now on. Who would of ever thunk a watch or bracelet could turn out to be a rat?
So get rid of everything you put on your wrist. The cops will use it against you if you just happen to have a six-pack before heading home.
Have a good night everybody. It looks like closing time in most parts. Burger King can just shut down now that Sister Dusty is blogging.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
3:28 pm
db @ 3:18,
No of course Jesus would not have ranted like that…His actions spoke for themselves. What was included in the hypothetical rant should just be the logical argument that goes thru any “Christian”’s head before they truly claim He is their Savior. What is the point in believing in what Jesus did, if He only did it for a few, and the rest skate by on following a few rules and regs? No, mankind is destitute, and we can do nothing to attain salvation apart from the Savior…
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2010
3:29 pm
Personally I wish they would all be taxed and required to undergo retraining in the principles of kindness (helping others), possessions (poverty), killing vs turning the other cheek, tolerance, etc.–N-GA 2:39
Would you STFU you intolerant weenie! You are the coward….terrified of anyone who believes differently than you. You who would impose your beliefs on others…just like the Taliban! There isn’t an iota of difference between you and them!–N-GA 3:13
Better put up a new thread Jay B, this dude isn’t very stable to begin with and I think his condition is deteriorating.
/drive by…..
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
3:30 pm
Of course I KNOW that if you ever answered…that you’d include that last sentence!
So he’s the BEST person to run this country huh? Otay Spanky… SO… I guess we’d go back to the whole “cut corporate taxes and taxes for the WEALTHIEST Americans to fix the economy… because we see how well the Bush tax cuts worked… btw… did those “kick in” yet? How many jobs did those add? Since his way of wanting to “fix” the economy is to give more government handouts and freebies to corps and the wealthy… how is that any different from what Bush did? Did it work? Did we ADD more jobs with them or LOSE more jobs….because last I checked…even with those tax breaks companies both large and small FIRED people…not what was promised…(hiring).
The only one’s who have ever seen the results of “trickle down”…are the poor people and middle class that the rich are pissing all over.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:31 pm
Saul Good, 3:14
You should try honesty. You posted that you were going to every public meeting you could and SHOUT Muslim prayers. It is not the prayer, poor boy. It is the unruly behavior at a public meeting that will get you in trouble.
You don’t seem to know about good or legal behavior. But disrupting a public meeting is entirely different from leading a meeting with a requested prayer. But you don’t want to know that. You just want to disagree here and stigmatize anyone with a faith.
As I said before, you are a bad boy, Saul Good. Read up on hell. Try “Dante’s Inferno”.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
3:31 pm
“Dog – No paradox, slaves were chattel and therefore not covered under his phrase all men.”
I don’t agree. I believe he knew that to be true at his time, and in that place…but that it need not be universally true, and not true for all time. And my witness to that is that he did free a few of his slaves. That is not the action of a person who believes without question that slaves cannot be free men/women.
Jefferson was a far more complicated man than children’s history gives him credit for.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:32 pm
RW – I’m not the right wing Christian here. So much like you to spin things. Me….I’m simply throwing their pious BS back in there faces.
There was a time you really had something to say here. Now, not so much.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:33 pm
“their” faces……
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:35 pm
Saul Good – It looks like Dusty couldn’t bring herself to answer your question. Not a surprise.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2010
3:35 pm
There was a time you really had something to say here. Now, not so much.
N-GA,
You’ve been telling me that for at least seven years now. Any chance you can buy a new line?
See y’all this evening, somebody has to work and I guess it’s my week.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:36 pm
RW – Why change the line when it is still true?
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
3:37 pm
But after them, it must get kinda incestuous, doncha think? (Eeeew.)
Yes I do AmVet. That’s why I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Alabama.
I never saw anything in the Bible about Lucy.
That took a long time to read!Whew!
Normal
May 24th, 2010
3:37 pm
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
3:26 pm
By your thinking, he couldn’t have broken any Commandment. She was property, like a vibrator…Geez
fred smith
May 24th, 2010
3:37 pm
Oh Lawd, won’tcha give me a mairsaydees bends – - – -
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
3:39 pm
Fred – I think the words were “…buy me a…..”.
Probably tax deductible thatta way.
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
3:42 pm
Normal
May 24th, 2010
3:25 pm
Scooter’s definition of blog.
Much ado about nothing.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
3:43 pm
What is the point in believing in what Jesus did, if He only did it for a few, and the rest skate by on following a few rules and regs?
Well one very practical point is, it makes us better human beings; more centered and purposeful. It also makes us better citizens.
No, mankind is destitute, and we can do nothing to attain salvation apart from the Savior…
I’ll have to part respectful company with you on this. I think God doesn’t provide a universe with intelligent, sentient life to exist on this Earth for what amounts to a nanosecond in the great continuum of history, only to condemn it to eternal damnation forever.
Viewed another way, I don’t think we should require the threat of H-E-double-hockey-sticks not to behave like wankers.
md
May 24th, 2010
3:45 pm
Although I consider myself a professional skeptic, for those that have not watched the History Channel’s latest documentary of the Shroud of Turin, you owe it to yourself to do so. Although it does not prove that it is authentic, every scientist that has inspected the cloth has been stumped as to what made the image. Even today, there is no technology that would duplicate the image.
It is fascinating regardless of belief.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
3:48 pm
Dusty…you STILL didn’t answer my question:
Would YOU be “OFFENDED” if you went to a school board or government meeting and someone said a prayer where they asked for thanks and strength from Allah, and then ended the prayer with “praise Allah”…. would you be “offended”??? Because in your first post you said that you WOULD not be offended by the prayer she gave in TX.
Simple question.
Would YOU be offended?
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
3:51 pm
JAY
On the other hand you said you saw nothing wrong with Fierce Advocate having invited the hate monger preacher Warren to bless his administration. Yeah, sure, uh-hunh, whatever…
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
3:53 pm
RW,
Hurry back. We need your sensibilities here.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
3:53 pm
Saul Good :
I take Newt back. This is who I want for president :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
3:58 pm
Dante’s Inferno.
The best reason I can think of to know Italian…
questa mi porse tanto di gravezza
con la paura ch’uscia di sua vista,
ch’io perdei la speranza de l’altezza.
(She brought upon me so much heaviness,
With the affright that from her aspect came,
That I the hope relinquished of the height.)
(And Redneck DO NOT go there!)
Scout, the only really good thing I saw in that ad was that Remington rifle. And maybe the horse, but I couldn’t see the teeth!
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
3:58 pm
Scout: HAHA!!!! I actually thought that was a JOKE at first (I mean it IS a joke right)? Sheeeeesh!
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
3:58 pm
Okay folks, must be sweepstakes week on the blog count. Let’s all do our part to get the Bruin over 700 and see if then he’ll give us a new topic…
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
3:59 pm
db @ 3:43,
Following that logic though, the only conclusion would be that Jesus was either a compulsive liar or a complete basketcase…
“Thomas said to him, ‘Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?’
Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’” John 14:5-6 (NIV)
“They (the Sanhedrin) all asked, ‘Are you then the Son of God?’ He replied, ‘You are right in saying I am.” Luke 22:70 (NIV)
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:00 pm
Dusty ***tap, tap tap of my foot***
Why won’t you answer the question?
Would you be offended?
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 24th, 2010
4:01 pm
Looks like Jay needed some page hits. I’ll check back tomorrow.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:02 pm
josef, welcome to the fray. We’ve had lots of fun here today, discussing such things as God being born via the Big Bang Theory. And Eve being born of Adam. Oh and how the Founding fathers were a bunch of Christian bashers. And how 5 missing commandments ain’t no big deal. And…
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
4:04 pm
OH Saul Good,
You are STILL jumping over your suggested bad behavior and trying to make something else out of it.
You asked: Would I be offended if some one suddenly got up and started shouting a Muslim prayer at a public meeting?
I’d say I’d be real SURPRISED. In fact, I’d be surprised if any one jumped up in a public meeting and started shouting “Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep”. It is out of order. It is unnecessary And it interferes with the public security of a meeting and is indicative of an unhealthy mental condition.
So rest your mind, Saul. But don’t go shouting off-subject sentiments at a public meeting. We need you here to show how wrong some people can be.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
4:05 pm
Following that logic though, the only conclusion would be that Jesus was either a compulsive liar or a complete basketcase…
well no. One could conclude that people with their own specific agendas wrote the Gospels (and many more than just the four we regard as holy texts), and you need to filter your own interpretation of what Jesus is/was all about, with that in mind.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
4:06 pm
AmVet: LOL !
Saul Good: Nope – I’m serious. That’s just what we need because it’s the type of candidate you fear.
Ooo Rah! Praise the Lord & pass the ammunition !
Scout
May 24th, 2010
4:07 pm
Saul:
You’re new on here. You need to show some respect to your elders …………….
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 24th, 2010
4:09 pm
(She brought upon me so much heaviness,
With the affright that from her aspect came,
That I the hope relinquished of the height.)
(And Redneck DO NOT go there!)
Well, dang it, some people take all the fun out of things!
Del
May 24th, 2010
4:09 pm
Scout,
He does like horses. I’m hoping Pete Pace will run.
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
4:10 pm
Actually Scooter, we’re all African-Americans…(J/k, don’t get your panties in a wad Klanners.)
AmV
There’s a bit of biological proof to that. You can have two black people give birth to a child with pale skin and blue eyes. However, you can’t take two white people andhave them produce a melanin-enhanced child. It’s all about dominant and recessive genes.
Jay's blog
May 24th, 2010
4:10 pm
Amvet, that “Allah the Above” is genius. You are so creative!
I wonder where you get all your amazing ideas. You consistently have the best written and entertaining comments. Remember the time you told @@ to stop humping your leg? Funniest gag of the year! (Ask @@ if she has an older sister to hump your other leg. That would be so funny!)
You’re a genius blogger, Amvet. You should have your own blog,. really. That’s a natural fact. You could easily start one and just do your take on news stories just like Cynthia here does. I’d visit. Click! Click! CLICK!! I’m down.
WOW. I just talked to a techie who claimed that anyone who comments in a chatroom is vulnerable to hackers for all their data. I did not know that. Imagine. Clever hackers, a dime a dozen, can find out anything they want about who you are if you make even one comment on a blog like this. I wonder if that’s correct. People give out so much incorrect information, you know? Like BP on how to plug deep water oil leaks. Like Goldman Sachs about the need for financial reform. Everybody lies. Ouch. No wonder Facebook is getting so much flak. They’re giving out personal data without permission.
That’s a problem.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:11 pm
sfd,
I dunno – I kind of like to think of Jesus as a little on the whacky side – I mean that cousin of his John was a full blown nut job.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:11 pm
You mean ELDERLY right? I’ve been around before…just took a LONG break… was “wasting” too much time (like I’m starting to do again on certain days)…
OMG Dusty!
Read my question AGAIN…not my FIRST post about it.
I’m talking about someone INVITED TO SPEAK at a meeting (or who is HEADING a meeting)…. if they gave thanks and praise to ALLAH….would YOU be offended…THAT is my question.
Once again….I’ll wait for your answer.
Pogo
May 24th, 2010
4:13 pm
Josef, it doesn’t look as if either Warren or Lowery’s appeal to the higher power for blessing on the Obama adminstration has done much good. Perhaps God knew a heck of lot more than the American voters did and decided to do something worth while like going to play golf in the cosmos instead. You know, drive around a few comets or asteroids for fun. Of course, I don’t blame him, no use in expending energy on a lost cause!
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
4:13 pm
Jay’s probably working on a deadline for the dead tree copy. Give him a break because he does have another job other than appeasing the people here.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:13 pm
Speaking of hell:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/20/funny-pictures-i-ordered/
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:14 pm
Scout….that’s basically Sarah Palin in drag. In fact I think I heard of give that speech when running for VP (she just said USA instead of Alabama).
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
4:14 pm
“It’s all about dominant and recessive genes.”
I’ve known that for a long time. And while a pale person can get significantly darker with exposure to the sun, a really dark person doesn’t get significantly lighter out of the sun.
It has LONG been my theory that the diminution of melanin production occurred as a response to mankind’s moving further and furthe away from the strong sun of equatorial Africa and out into the less sunny areas further north. And, roughly speaking the further north you go the lighter skinned the people tend to be.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:16 pm
AmVet
And you can bet your collection plate dollar Jaybird won’t have anything to say about my earlier post. All of what he has to say here sorta goes with the wind when you take into consideration what he had to say about having “no problem” with Fierce Advocate’s invitation to the hate monger preacher Warren…Oy, vey, Maria…
This was to stir up a stink and for little else and, in my opinion, a cheap shot…it’s okay if “my side” brings the theological into the secular forum, but if “your side” does it…well, now that’s just not right, etc. etc.
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
4:16 pm
fred smith @ 3:37
You made me smile wanting a “marsaydees benes”.
Yesterday, my youngest son came home with a Mini Cooper S . Now that is one cute car. I love it. Don’t plan to drive it with its six shift gears (as if he would let me)!! It is black with a little white, double sun roof, and loads of accessories. Absolutely made for fun. I think I better keep an eye on this son. But I do like his choices and he usually makes good ones. He likes the Braves!! Need I say more?
md
May 24th, 2010
4:19 pm
“This was to stir up a stink and for little else and, in my opinion, a cheap shot…it’s okay if “my side” brings the theological into the secular forum, but if “your side” does it…well, now that’s just not right, etc. etc.”
Yea, hell will freeze over before we see the Pelosi column, but if there are folks here that don’t know there is an agenda……………..
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:21 pm
Pogo
G-d taking the day off to play a few rounds in the Cosmos…I like that myself. Did you see “Dogma?”
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
4:22 pm
Saul Good,
Take up knitting. You need a hobby. I’m not it. Crossword puzzles are also good for people like you. Try it. You’ll like it.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
4:22 pm
Saul Good:
Good !
Southern Comfort
May 24th, 2010
4:23 pm
Doggone
Yep, but you won’t get many to agree with that. Add that along with the DNA mixing that occurred in this country in the 1700-1800’s, and you could run up on many an example today.
josef
There you go pokin’ a stick at the Bruin!!!
ye of liberal faith
May 24th, 2010
4:23 pm
thou shalt blog during lightening storm with long metal staff
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:25 pm
SoCo, that might explain (Bruno’s and) my lifelong fascination with most things soulful!
Scout, I do miss those days in the country, when I could just take a box of shells and my Remington .30-30 out to the woods and just shoot away at cans, bottles, etc. Man that was good time…
Of course, I’d take a Winchester or Marlin just as quickly.
jnix, I missed your original post about Warren. What’s the deal?
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:25 pm
md
I wish I could agree that this springs from an agenda. I honestly think that he doesn’t see the conflict of expressed opinions.
SoCo–
You’re probably right on the Bruin and in all fairness he does deserve time off if that’s the why-for. I just have a problem myself with his choice of topic. Palin, abortion, or grits and greens would have served the same purpose.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:26 pm
Dusty,
I’ll take that as a “yes” you’d be offended. You’ve made that actually loud and clear.
Thanks!
It’ssaulgood
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
4:26 pm
If jesus was to show up in TX or AZ today do you think they would deport him as soon as the realized that he wasn’t white and didn’t speak english? Would they demand to see his long form birth certificate?
Dusty
May 24th, 2010
4:27 pm
Josef,
You are right about this being a “cheap shot”. Absolutely!
I leave to finish a home project before dinner time. Getting late!!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
4:28 pm
“Yep, but you won’t get many to agree with that.”
Yes, I know that…but I’m sort of the “resident expert” on color genetics in the breed of dog I have, and it was learning about those genetics that helped me realize that mankind had to have gone from dark to light. Which is, BTW, an adaptive change, not an evolutionary one.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:28 pm
Dusty, while living in England I owned a snazzy *orange* mini. It had a huge 1250 cc engine! Most had 750’s. Four speed with a cassette deck! That little thing was a blast to drive around in…
(BTW, for the unawares, many motorcycles have engines that size…)
Scout
May 24th, 2010
4:29 pm
AmVet :
I hear you. Let’s not ever give that up. “From our cold dead hands!”
Scout
May 24th, 2010
4:29 pm
Out on patrol ………… back later.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:32 pm
AmVet
That hate monger already had one helluva rep for hating gays. Then, after Fierce Advocate’s horsesh*t with California’s Prop 8 to make sure he got the morally conservative Black and Latino votes, a slap in the face itself, here he came inviting that, I don’t have words at my disposal for what to call him, preacher in–a punch in the gut from my persepective. I posted one night when off on my own agenda concerning that and Jay came in with he had “no problem” with it. Fine, then stick to it and have no problem with a fellow traveller’s of Warren’s doing it in Texas…
As I said earlier this p.m. “yeah, sure, uh-hunh, whatever.”
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
4:32 pm
db @ 4:05,
I cannot concisely tell you (it would take too long), but the integrity of the four gospels is basically unparalleled among historic texts. I would humbly point to Lee Stroebel’s “The Case For Christ”, easily the most readable methodical examination of the evidence of the New Testament.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:33 pm
Frank… jesus IS in AZ and TX… actually lots and lots of jesus’ there…and yeah, to be honest, I’ve stated this often… where IS the ORIGINAL long form birth certificate for jesus? Who does it say his father is? Until I see that document…he’s not MY savior!
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
4:34 pm
“That would mean that all Mozingos in America — including me, who grew up in Dana Point, the blue-eyed, surfing son of a dentist — had a Bantu last name.”
An LA Times writer traced his roots and wrote a great story on the subject last week. They were told Mozingo was Italian. Were they in for a surprise.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mozingo-first-20100516,0,4419674.story
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
4:35 pm
Bosch @ 4:11,
Most of the “wackiness” of John the Baptist can be attributed to him being a Nazirite…
md
May 24th, 2010
4:35 pm
“I wish I could agree that this springs from an agenda.”
By agenda, I mean left of center, hence most of his columns.
A CONSERVATIVE
May 24th, 2010
4:35 pm
“JUDGE NOT….YET YOU BE JUDGED”..Karl Mark..May U burn in hell-Mr. Mark
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
4:35 pm
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
4:26 pm
You need to get your facts strait. Jesus was as white as the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
4:36 pm
Frank, anyone speaking (and looking) like Jesus today would not likely be be deported, but rather committed to a mental asylum. Remember the Jesus Freaks of the 60’s and 70’s?
Scooter
May 24th, 2010
4:37 pm
And don’t come back until you have something important to add!
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:37 pm
“but the integrity of the four gospels is basically unparalleled among historic texts”
All depends on who you ask.
md
May 24th, 2010
4:37 pm
“Which is, BTW, an adaptive change, not an evolutionary one.”
“Adaptive” would work in both directions, would it not?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
4:37 pm
“May U burn in hell-Mr. Mark”
Very Christian of you to hope for someone to have no chance of salvation.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:41 pm
eyeshaveit
Jesus and the insane asylum: Have you ever seen the Argentine film, “Man Facing Southeast?”
OTHERWISE
My little fifth graders graduated today…wish y’all could have seen them and their parents…happy, happy, happy, I am…and our test scores came back and twarn’t bad a’tall…them young’us done got real good at bubble-in and not erasing!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
4:42 pm
“Adaptive” would work in both directions, would it not?”
I’m not sure what you mean by that?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:42 pm
Josef, being the consummate heathen that I am, this is what I find a bit perplexing.
That being, Obama’s Christianity. (Unless of course, he REALLY is a Moozlim!)
This is supposed to make me feel better about him how?
And vis a vis prop 8 and BHO, I got it.
Seems like those who screamed their bloody lungs out that he was the *most liberal man in the history of the universe!!!* were……..ahem, wrong. As usual…
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
4:43 pm
AH YES!!!
Dahlonega…. up near here in my neck of the woods… home of the KKK. ONLY in GA my friends:
http://www.ajc.com/news/teacher-lets-students-wear-534319.html
I wonder if any kids showed up dressed up as Mohammad? jesus LOVES the KKK and so does his deadbeat dad!
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:43 pm
And more on the thread and my kids…Jesus, Mohammad and Christian all graduated with honors today…
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
4:45 pm
Bosch @ 4:37
That’s why I recommend Stroebel. He started out as an atheist, and it is obvious in the early chapters of the book, which narrate his quest to (initially) disprove Jesus as the Christ…it’s a good read, even if you don’t want to believe, to understand the evidence that we Christians point to.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:45 pm
AmVet
And the capper of it was that he cited his “religious faith” as his rationale when his own brand of the Christian faith, the United Church of Christ, was one of the first and has been one of the strongest proponents of equal civil rights for gays…ssssshhhh…
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:46 pm
Congrats on the edumcated rug rats, josef!
Woo Hoo!
Time for a little Alice! (Ironically released the exact month after graduated from high school.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qga5eONXU_4
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
4:46 pm
Joseph – How did Moshe do?
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:47 pm
Whacks,
“to understand the evidence that we Christians point to”
You do understand that not all Christians believe the same thing?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
4:47 pm
Make that edumacated…
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:49 pm
AmVet,
Alice Cooper scares the sh*t out of me – even to this day. I think I saw him at a vulnerable age and it damaged me somehow.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:50 pm
AmVet,
I think it has something to do with the whole “clown” thing – he reminds me of an evil clown. I think that’s it. As I’ve mentioned before – Bosch + Clowns = no.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
4:51 pm
Bosch – Alice Cooper didn’t scare me at all. I viewed him as a nutjob extremist. Little did I know then that he would be the role model for the likes of Limbaugh and Beck……
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:51 pm
N-GA,
“Little did I know then that he would be the role model for the likes of Limbaugh and Beck……”
That explains alot.
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
4:53 pm
Okay Bosch, How DID you do that? My post and your reply were both time stamped 4:51.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
4:55 pm
Bosch @ 4:47
I did not say that they did, but not all who call themselves Christians truly are. I won’t go into who is and is not – it is a personal matter for each soul – but belief that He died for your sins on the cross is imperative, without it, the best you can be is just a fan of his…and many are. But they are missing out on something much bigger.
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
4:55 pm
SoCo: “….You can have two black people give birth to a child with pale skin and blue eyes. However, you can’t take two white people and have them produce a melanin-enhanced child….”
Um, actually, sometimes two blue-eyed pale people CAN produce a darker child. I had an issue years ago with a casting choice on my favorite soap opera and complained to ny genetic-scientist friends. It IS possible for a darker, usually-considered-dominant gene to be present but not expressed, resulting in the aforementioned scenario. It’s uncommon but it happens. “I wish they wouldn’t teach that in school; it causes a lot of problems,” one scientist told me.
John Birch
May 24th, 2010
4:56 pm
‘but the integrity of the four gospels is basically unparalleled among historic texts’ Huh? What an obviously preposterous statement. There is absolutely no way of knowing how sound or unimpaired they are, but there is some evidence the earliest gospel was written well after the alleged facts (implying based on memory and/or oral tradition), all the gospels were subject to edit by the Catholic church and there have been numerous translations. Not the usual ingredients for integrity.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
4:56 pm
SoCo
“There you go pokin’ a stick at the Bruin!!!”
no worry, he won’t respond to that one…!
N-Ga
Acturally, he was Moise and he wasn’t in the honor corps. But Abraham and Ibrahim both were! Ismael was there, too..
And, incidentally, I’m not kidding…we have kids with all these names…
md
May 24th, 2010
4:59 pm
“I’m not sure what you mean by that?”
Dark to light and light to dark.
Case in point – cave dwelling salamanders that are now albino and blind, while their outside counterparts are dark with vision.
Bosch
May 24th, 2010
4:59 pm
N-GA,
I never told you about my telepathy? I don’t like to brag.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
5:05 pm
Bosch
“I never told you about my telepathy? I don’t like to brag.”
Yeah, but Jay directed you to say that…
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
5:05 pm
John Birch,
“There is absolutely no way of knowing how sound or unimpaired they are”
There are actually Biblical scholars who have devoted their lives to studying these texts, it’s not just Wikipedia. Again I will recommend Strobel’s “The Case For Christ”. If you don’t follow his conclusions, he actually tells who and what he used for research, and you can examine it yourself.
“Not the usual ingredients for integrity”
The Bible is not a usual book…
Call me preposterous for saying and believing what I do. I really don’t care. Think what you want of me, I am just a guy. I tell you this because I care about you, everyone on here, even though I’ve not met any of you. Sure, it would be easy enough to keep it to myself. I know my destiny, and have nothing to fear. But I want others to share in this wonderful news, which is why I share my faith. Take it or leave it, but I do pray for you…
N-GA
May 24th, 2010
5:06 pm
Bosch – I’m humbled, but that happens to me all too frequently lately!
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
5:06 pm
One of the comments from the LAT Monzingo. I thought it was funny…..
deepthunk at 10:43 AM May 18, 2010
I am here visiting LA and was amazed to see this series on the Mozingos. I descend from Edward Mozingo through his son John, grandson Charles, g-granddaughter Frances, etc.
I have seen this same racial-identity saga play out on my Oxendine/Shumate side of the family. The patriarch, John Oxendine was also an indentured servent in the 1600’s. The Shumates had Cherokee thrown in the mix as well. There was a time when this was hidden, but now it is embraced by more and more as simply American.
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:07 pm
Whooaaaa, Nelly….this game has gone into overtime.
You lovin’ it, jay?
The man in black with a sinister sneer.
Creepy!
What…e….ver makes you happy.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
5:08 pm
“Dark to light and light to dark.”
An adaptive change is an adaptive change, it has nothing to do with the “direction” of the change…though I’m not sure if blind and colorless cave dwelling creatures are examples of adaptive change or evolutionary change. In a sense, all such changes are adaptive…at least, they start out that way, but they don’t become evolutionary change until there no going back.
When an adaptive change alters a “line” of organisms to the point where they can no longer successful breed in a natural setting, then they are considered to be a new species and that is an evolutionary change. That has not occurred with color related adaptive changes in humans – or actually, with ANY adaptive changes in humans. All humans are the same species.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:09 pm
I too know my destiny and have nothing to fear….yet it’s FEAR that drives the religious man… fear of their being TWO places they can end up… when they can prove neither exists. Just like before we were born… it was “blank”… and i can think of “nothing” more “peaceful”…
ALL religions (Cults) are based upon that…man’s fear of death that goes hand and hand with this urge to live forever and ever in some kind of panacea surrounded by ONLY those who belong to the same cult.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
5:09 pm
Danny
Many of the Oxendines are Lumbee. Are you enrolled? CDIB card?
Pogo
May 24th, 2010
5:10 pm
Josef, yes I did. It was a hoot. In my mind my God doesn’t take the crap we do down here very seriously. I mean what could he say? “I made it and it turned to crap because they are pretty much self-absorbed, greedy, arrogant and violent blowhards who think they know everything (but know nothing) and they are continuously looking for answers where there ain’t any”? And they have the audacity to think of themselves as sympathetic? That about sums up the human race.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
5:13 pm
Bosch and N-GA, LOL about the clowns, nutjobs and Alice! I was older and even though some of Stephen King’s evil clown stuff tripped me out a tad, there was only one film and one only that ever got to me – The Excorcist.
Messed me up for days! I watched it again about 10 years later. It did it again!
As for Alice, back in the early 70s he was a gigantic musical and theatrical innovator. And had several killer (get it?) albums…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YrXjeRSoE
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:13 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/teacher-lets-students-wear-534319.html
How very “christian” of them.
KKK= just another extreme “sect” that is part of christianity (all in the name of god, country, along with their guns and that “burning of the cross”)… to be honest… it’s not that far off from the current tea party members… 99% of them being white and all”’
FTA:
A history teacher in Dahlonega was placed on administrative leave Monday after she let four students wear Ku Klux Klan outfits in a historical reenactment.
“We determined, obviously, that she used extremely poor judgment,” Lumpkin County Schools superintendent Dewey Moye told the AJC.
Catherine Ariemma, a 5-year veteran with the school system, teaches an advanced placement history class. Her students were filming reenactments of various historical periods, and four donned Klan outfits, Moye said.
Students from other classrooms saw them as they walked through a hallway Thursday while wearing the costumes to an outdoor shoot, he said. The parents of an African American child complained, Moye said.
Ariemma did not return a message left on her home phone. Her husband, John, was reached on his cellphone and declined to comment.
Ariemma could lose her job over the incident. Moye said she has never been reprimanded for missteps in the past and that she has always been an “outstanding” teacher. But he said he could not ignore what she did.
“In my opinion it was offensive,” Moye said. “The other part of it is some people have jumped on it and said ‘you’re racist.’”
Moye said he placed her on leave with pay pending the outcome of an investigation. The school system attorney will interview the children involved to determine what happened, he said.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
5:14 pm
DannyX,
Are you related to the guy running for Georgia governor? Not like Oxendine is a real common name. He does not have my vote, but he probably will be the next gov anyway. Oh well…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
5:14 pm
Sorry…forgot about this: “cave dwelling salamanders that are now albino and blind, while their outside counterparts are dark with vision”
That doesn’t actually bolster you “dark to light and light to dark” Albino cave species are examples of the same thing that happened with people, dark to light. The cave dwellers have adapted from the darker species outside to the lighter ones inside.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
5:16 pm
Jesus was only one of three things:
Liar (He claimed to be God but knew He wasn’t – the world’s biggest liar)
Lunatic (He “thought” He was God but He wasn’t – the world’s biggest nut)
Lord (He was Who He said He was – the world’s biggest Saviour)
Always your choice …………..
“I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.”
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
5:18 pm
Pogo–
Unmentionable, who says “my Gr-at Sp-rit is Nicene Creed,” also says that it’s a bit arrogant of us to claim to “know” what G-d has in mind since our way to H-m is via the Western District Marketing Manager…
As for “Dogma,” I had to be “forced” into watching it by my own kids at home. They kept telling me that “my” view of G-d was there….I had to admit, the cartwheel turning G-d over on the side pretty much hit home…
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
5:18 pm
md…I did think of a light to dark adaptation for you. There is a species of moth in the UK that adapted from light to darker as the urban world around them got darker (the buildings and such) from coal smoke pollution.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
5:25 pm
Saul while watching the conclusion of the Civil War documentary on PBS the other night I learned that confederate general, Nathan Bedford Forrest founded the KKK, but left almost right away when they launched a “reign of terror” against blacks and became too hateful and violent even for him.
One Voice
May 24th, 2010
5:26 pm
It is well within the rights of every American if they choose to live in ignorance and believe in a fictitious magical man who supposedly wished the universe into being. However, to bring that into a public forum and attempt to use it to influence policy is unAmerican and immoral. To suggest that the founding fathers, who were deists and rationalists for the most part, intended to create a nation ruled by Christian law is patently false, and to act on that belief is to go against the constitution and freedom. Is our nation regressing into the dark ages in an attempt by the religious right to challenge the Taliban as world leaders in creating a nonsensical theocracy?
Brett
May 24th, 2010
5:28 pm
Ahh, such utter supersticious crap. Duh.
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:32 pm
One Voice:
However, to bring that into a public forum and attempt to use it to influence policy is unAmerican and immoral.
jay’s blog is a public forum. I get the impression he’s trying to influence policy.
Is he unAmerican? Immoral?
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
5:34 pm
AmVet
Nathan Bedford Forest is a most intriguing individual.
http://tennessee-scv.org/ForrestHistSociety/forrest_speech.html
larry
May 24th, 2010
5:35 pm
Nathan Bedford Forrest, who Forrest , Forrest Gump was named after. “Run, Forrest, Run”.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
5:35 pm
Oh, what the hell…
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2iuqj_norman-greenbaum-spirit-in-the-sky_fun
larry
May 24th, 2010
5:37 pm
I wonder if Forrest’s mother said “life is like a box of chocalates “
larry
May 24th, 2010
5:38 pm
“Jennie, Jennie”
Curly and Moe
May 24th, 2010
5:38 pm
Shaddup, Larry…
One Voice
May 24th, 2010
5:40 pm
Doggone @ 5:18,
Those moths evolved back into a light color when the coal plants in the area closed down. That is a textbook example of evolution at work. But I guess the American Taliban doesn’t believe in the other Theories either- the Theory of Light, the Theory of Gravitation, Germ Theory, Atomic Theory, the Theory of Friction, all of which are seen by the scientific community as having a body of evidence equal to that of the Theory of Natural Selection.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
5:40 pm
Scout , did you ever see the Monty Python film the Life of Brian?
That is a fourth option…(Like Brian Cohen, perhaps Jesus was just some shmoe mistaken for a savior!)
josef, I really enjoyed that PBS documentary! I must confess to not being all that knowledgeable about many aspects of the Civil War, including the many amazing personalities and horrific events. Certainly compared to those here who know it well. (And those who are still fighting it! /sarc!)
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:41 pm
Boy did they EVER “run” with what Forrest started… 180 degrees in the wrong direction!
Pogo
May 24th, 2010
5:41 pm
This whole thing about seperation of church and state is really stupid. Politicians are merely preachers preaching a different religion. And judging by Jay and the rest here, there are more than enough willing to follow their faith no matter what kind of garbage their preachers are spewing. It is just a matter of “faith”, isn’t it? Take a look at any politician speaking before any demographic and that is all the proof you need to see that what I am saying is true. Politics is religion. Religion is politics. So, if one is into believing in the unreal, then I say, go to it.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
5:41 pm
larry…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHJqtgo8RA
larry
May 24th, 2010
5:42 pm
800?!! Wow!!. Somebody nudge Jay and wake him up. This thread is getting long in the tooth.
One Voice
May 24th, 2010
5:44 pm
@@,
You’re smarter than that. At least I thought you were. So you think a blog based on a scattershot of public opinion and with no official credibility or direct link to policy is equal to a state board of education that actually creates official public policy? Sounds like the irrational thinking of the American Taliban.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 24th, 2010
5:45 pm
801 comments?
WTF?
Are we throwing spitballs today or what?
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:47 pm
josef:
There’s a documentary coming out next month…”The Lottery”. Thought you might be interested in watching. There’s a trailer, but I saw it discussed on JER. Interesting exchange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbp0ID-rljo
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:47 pm
number of posts? Pretty much ANYTHING to do with religion posted in a Red State like GA is going to create a lot of posts….yet NOBODY ever has their mind changed…even if it reaches 800,000 posts… I’m not “converted” yet (or should I say:brainwashed)… anyone switch teams yet?
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
5:48 pm
AmVet
I have my problems with the PBS series, not so much as what it says as to what it does not, it has a decided northern bias and the visuals are, in and of themselves, quite the propaganda effort! This is not to demean Burns’ artistry–he is undoubtedly a genius–but then, so was Leni Riefenstahl!
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:49 pm
I meant to say the lots of posts go up in Red State Gawga when the “talibangelical” religion is being scrutinized.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 24th, 2010
5:50 pm
Saul- How true, the Cons have their religion that we are commanded to convert unbelievers to, Christianity, and the libs have theirs, debauchery and perversion.
Just sayin…
Let the games resume!
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:51 pm
One Voice:
I don’t live in TX.
jay doesn’t live in TX.
What’s the point?
Pogo
May 24th, 2010
5:53 pm
807 and all’s swelled.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 24th, 2010
5:53 pm
In 800 some posts I’m sure that one of the cons called you dummycrats a bunch of Godless heathens, but just in case….
You know what I’m sayin…
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
5:54 pm
Personally….if I was to convert… I think I’d go with the cult that promises me 14 virgins when I die… much better description of heaven (as opposed to being stuck at an eternal Sunday morning service for eternity)… never going to win me over with that offer. Of course the Talibangelicals can always raise their offer…
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
5:56 pm
I don’t fear prayer in the public square, I fear when the public will be made to pray and the folks who want it to be so…
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
5:56 pm
Yes Andy, and there were F-bombs too…
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:58 pm
jay’s leftist have spent over eight hours of their day discussing something in which they have no interest.
I find that odd.
@@
May 24th, 2010
5:59 pm
RWT:
Did you ever find out who it was that submitted that post on superintendents’ pay ’cause it wasn’t me?
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
6:01 pm
Being a “free state” Jayhawker, I’m sure I didn’t notice, jnix!
Lots of fear and confusion cards popping up suddenly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r78e8KrA9t8
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
6:08 pm
@@
Thanks for the link and I will be waiting to see the documentary. Our site stays “under the gun” in check of our registration papers for “residence in the district.” Our rep*tation in the Latino community as a place where their children can and do learn is such that the extremes they will go to have a spot here are the stuff of a challenge to all the preconceived notions. Though our student population comes from every segment of society, from those old, established Buckhead families rich enough to buy G-d to those across the border last night with only the shirts on their backs, our population is heavily Latino, they, too, coming from all sectors of the socio-economic. Our success rests on one factor, this is “their” school, too. The same high expectations are put on their children as those of the majority culture and their parents are as welcome and can be assured of having their concerns listened to. While our high school graduation rate is nowhere near what we would want, it is still higher than the state and national averages and is improving.
But…we are the exception to the rule…
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
6:11 pm
Saul, I think that you are short changing yourself. I believe it’s 72 virgins. But what do female martyrs get – 72 eunuchs?
Curious Observer
May 24th, 2010
6:15 pm
there was only one film and one only that ever got to me – The Exorcist.
Ditto for me, josef. And even before the film came out, I had to read the novel outside, where there were people. It was too creepy to read it inside while I was alone. Of course, I grew up in a spirt-believing area, and I suppose I was especially vulnerable. If you get a chance, Google The Greenbrier Ghost. My grandfather attended the trial for that one, and the saga has been the subject of three different books.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
6:21 pm
14, 72… I mean even offering me ONE would sway me more towards their cult… but ya…the female members of their cult do get the short end of the stick… same can be said of the Talibangelical cult as well.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
6:22 pm
AmVer…
You will note there is no mention of Judah P. Benjamin, Senator David Levy Yulee, Eugenia Yates Levy Phillips, the chaplain’s controversy, Rabbi Michelbacher’s invitation to deliver the invocation of the Confederate Congress,and I could go on and on…the warping and twisting is hilarious in places…note what the comment on Jewish chaplains is versus what you learn from the Chaplains’s controversy, the take into consideration that the Confederate Chaplaincy was organized with the rights of non Christians to serve…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUV_HvF6PdA
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
6:24 pm
curious observer–
Not me on “The Exorcist…” I didn’t much care for the book or the movie…
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
6:28 pm
AmVet
BTW, my mother’s family were affected by General Order # 11 and the mere mention of Grant’s name in our household was, and still is, not mentioned without a call on the Alm-ghty for judgment…
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
6:36 pm
upstairs now
Left wing management
May 24th, 2010
7:23 pm
Jay: “Personally, I find it highly offensive to watch people place their own political viewpoints into the mouth of God, in effect turning God into their personal sock puppet. Whatever your concept of a Supreme Being, you cheapen it by drafting Him as a megaphone for your own political views, and to do so in that kind of setting.”
I disagree, Jay. After all, one of the slogans of the year of ‘68 uprisings in France was “God is a left-wing intellectual.”
Maddog
May 24th, 2010
8:10 pm
Just to set the record straight, George Washington’s Inaugural Prayer did NOT take place at his swearing in, but afterward at a service at St. Paul’s Chapel in New York City. And I challenge anyone to quote the chapters and verses of the Bible that mandate “Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people.” Put up or shut up.
Scout
May 24th, 2010
8:24 pm
AmVet:
I respectfully disagree. Even claiming to be a “schmo” makes Him either a “charleton/liar” or a “little bit off”. He can’t even be just a great prophet or even the best person who ever lived because He would have lied and cost thousand their lives then and hundreds of thousands throughout history.
No ………. it’s Liar, Lunatic or Lord. One of those three.
josef nix
May 24th, 2010
8:34 pm
Scout
I go for lunatic and I mean that with the greatest of awe and respect…
Scout
May 24th, 2010
8:50 pm
josef:
I hear you ……….. but if you are wrong !
Greg
May 25th, 2010
8:07 pm
When the lady said,
“Whether we look to the first charter of Virginia, or the charter of New England or the Charter of Massachusetts Bay, or the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, the same objective is present: a Christian land governed by Christian principles.”
I was astounded that someone who knows so much history did not reflect on the Treaty Of Tripoli which states,
“As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
Ryan
May 27th, 2010
8:13 pm
For those of you who haven’t done any research on this here’s a site you can visit that should shed a little more light on this topic. Maybe our former LIBERAL Chief Justice Earl Warren was doing the same thing you’re accusing Mrs. Dunbar of doing, since after all these were HIS words from a Feb. 1954 Prayer. Here’s the site: https://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=19174. Please actually read the article. Just because its conservative in nature should not keep you from reading it. Try to be open minded
maddog
May 29th, 2010
9:08 am
Ryan, Since a liberal, Warren, and a conservative, Dunbar, both agree with the substance of this prayer, it should be very easy to take up my challenge and show me chapter and verse where the Bible mandates “Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people.”
If that proves impossible for you, why don’t you instead reflect on the fact that the charters of Virginia, New England, Massachusetts Bay, and Connecticut were for governing British colonies, not the establishment of a government and constitution for the United States of America.
And that the Treaty of Tripoli referenced above was unanimously approved by the first US Senate, that is, by the men who we now refer to as the Founding Fathers. Whether you like it or not, the Founding Fathers unanimously declared that “the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”