The abuse of heavenly prayer for earth-bound politics
Last week, as the Texas Board of Education prepared to finalize controversial new textbook standards, board member Cynthia Dunbar was asked to offer the opening prayer.
Here’s what she said:
“Most gracious heavenly Father. We come before you today, and ask that you grant to us the ability not to be anxious for the future, wisdom and understanding for the day, and hearts of gratitude for our past. As we look to our past to guide us, let us reflect on the convictions of those who have gone before us. I believe that nobody can look to the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses. Whether we look to the first charter of Virginia, or the charter of New England or the Charter of Massachusetts Bay, or the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, the same objective is present: a Christian land governed by Christian principles.”
I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it. Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people. I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country. All this I pray in the name of my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.”
When I came to Georgia 20 years ago, I found the practice of opening almost every governmental meeting with prayer a little startling. I had worked as a journalist in every other section of the country, and had never seen it done so often. Even subcommittee meetings at the state Legislature are often begun with an invitation to pray.
Most of the time, the prayers amount to pleas for wisdom and guidance in decision-making, and only the eager-to-be-offended could find much to criticize. Occasionally, prayer leaders become much more specific and fervent, for example pledging all in attendance to obey the teachings of Jesus Christ in how they vote. That’s more troubling.
You are, after all, speaking to an audience of diverse beliefs, not to a congregation of the same-minded. A citizen should not be compelled to take part in religious activities contrary to his or her beliefs as a price for participating in government. All are supposed to stand on level ground in that setting.
And once in a while, you’ll get somebody who really abuses the privilege and uses the prayer to make explicitly political statements, as Dunbar did last week.
Let’s side aside the political and historical content of Dunbar’s prayer, which is of course highly debatable in its own right. What I find more outrageous is her decision to smuggle that content into the form of a prayer that others in attendance were required to listen to silently, heads bowed, as if in agreement, with no dissent allowed.
She was not using the prayer to talk to God, which ought to be its purpose; she was using it to tell others what God would say to them if He was there.
Personally, I find it highly offensive to watch people place their own political viewpoints into the mouth of God, in effect turning God into their personal sock puppet. Whatever your concept of a Supreme Being, you cheapen it by drafting Him as a megaphone for your own political views, and to do so in that kind of setting.
Government and religion are each very powerful in its own realm, and if allowed to join in mutual purpose they constitute an overpowering force that inevitably, always tries to sweep away all dissenting views. Dunbar speaks fervently about the lessons of the past; the lessons of the past in that regard are distressingly clear, as our Founding Fathers knew from direct and recent experience.
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Normal
May 24th, 2010
12:13 pm
Peadawg,
At least in my fantasies… 
I can tell you, for a fact, that USinUK is the most beautiful woman I have never met. I’ve been reading her for over a year now, and she is bright, smart, and humorous. What ever she looks like on the outside, she is defifitely beautiful inside…and I’m betting that on the outside, she is a modern day Marilyn Monroe…
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
(not that I’m calling Peadawg any of those things myself in my post @ 12.13.)
DannyX
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
A warning from the Department of Stoning.
If you are female please stop blogging when men are present. You are subject to stoning laws.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
“PDawg, I am fairly sure that my doors are shut most every time the fambly and I sit down and give thanks prior to dining at home. I guess you leave yours open?”
Geeze, someone else. According to the scripture USinUK posted, it says, and I quote “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door”. So, I ask you, do you and your family eat dinner in your room w/ the door closed? Silly question, I know, but it’s a fair question since he posted the verse. Picking and choosing verses to suit your needs/what sounds good is what USinUK accused others of doing, yet he’s done it all morning.
Toby Saunders
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
The first amendment to the US constitution is clear, along with the 14th: they ban any American governmental body, federal or local, from promoting religion via law. Some ‘founding fathers’ were Christian, but America is secular and American Right-wing doesn’t care (they’re skeptical about reality itself). The US constitution gets walked over all the time of course, -the US is a de facto Christian empire and de juro secular democracy. Religion is unethical in practice, and while adults should be allowed to practice religion that shouldn’t include the indocrination of children or inclusion of religion in governmental affairs by government officials.
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
Peadawgs rants remind me of an ex-boyfriend… ya know the type. Not smart enough to argrue with, so you don’t even bother, and then they think they won.
Whacks Eloquent
May 24th, 2010
12:15 pm
Anger against Christianity in this country is mostly focused against proselytizing organizations – “I don’t want to hear what you believe in.” Understandable, in this narcissistic society – everybody thinks they are 100% right.
But to give a perspective into the mind of a proselytizer, a quote from avowed atheist Penn Jillette…
“How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? If I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn’t believe it, and that truck was bearing down on you, there’s a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that.”
Not saying that all Bible-thumpers are that genuine, but someone who truly cares for you will feel they have no choice but to tell you the truth. Take it or leave it from there, the choice is now yours, you are informed. Count me in this group – Jesus saved this wretched sinner, and is now using me for good. I cannot do it on my own, it is only by His grace. He can do the same for all of you.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:16 pm
If one wants to get technical, “Private” for Barry is being generous, considering he never served
Sounds like you and Scout are match made in Heaven.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:18 pm
mel, when the only answer USinUK has to my questions are snide, childish remarks, I’d say I’ve won. And the fact that I proved her wrong, and that Jesus indeed do prayers in public, also says I’ve won. She just can’t admit it.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:19 pm
“If one wants to get technical, “Private” for Barry is being generous, considering he never served”
Actually…that is no longer true. He is now serving…as Commander in Chief
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:19 pm
Normal – 12:13 – awwwww … you’re making me blush! thanks!!
peadawg – seriously, dude – you’re making yourself look foolish. well, more foolish than usual. the quote doesn’t say BEDroom … or BATHroom … or LIVING room … the same way it doesn’t say BY YOURSELF.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
12:20 pm
Normal and USinUK sittin’ in a tree….
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
“when the only answer USinUK has to my questions are snide, childish remarks, I’d say I’ve won”
I’m sure you would. the same way LA used to think that 3 or 4 people having a dispute with him meant that we were all intimidated by his prowess.
USinUK
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
and, with that, I have a train to catch …
‘night all!!
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
hum, cuz calling her a woman that can’t make decisions is not snide nor childish… only sexist.
even though, I believe she is a woman….
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
According to the scripture USinUK posted, it says, and I quote “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door”. So, I ask you, do you and your family eat dinner in your room w/ the door closed?
Well for starters, some homes and/or apartments actually do have doors in and out of dining rooms and/or kitchens, so it wouldn’t be that strange to close it.
Secondly, He doesn’t specify which doors. Given the context of this passage (which, obviously, I’ve seen before) I was thinking one would want to close the doors so that people outside aren’t so likely to be privy to your private petitions to the Lord–in some villages, people’s homes might be quite close to one another, after all.
Picking and choosing verses to suit your needs/what sounds good is what USinUK accused others of doing, yet he’s done it all morning.
And I’m really a bit shocked that you’ve been here as long as you have without knowing that UnU is female; I would be willing to say that it sounds like you don’t do much listening amid all the ranting, but that wouldn’t be very Christ-like of me.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
Toby, of course founding father, Thomas Jefferson, has been downgraded in Texas for his views on the separation of church and state. The Lone Star State indeed.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
12:24 pm
Scout,
if you didn’t question W’smilitary credentials (and I’m certain you didn’t) then you have no credibility questioning anybody elses.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:26 pm
“cuz calling her a woman that can’t make decisions”
Geeze, is it “twist your words to your liking day” or something? I said women have a hard time admitting they are wrong. I never said they can’t make decisions. Try again.
Rightwing Troll
May 24th, 2010
12:26 pm
Much like the rest of you have no business whining about government expanding when you stood by for 8 years as it expanded like nobodies business. Some of you stood by, some of you actively engaged, now you all pi$$ and moan when Obama follows in W’s footsteps.
No credibility.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:27 pm
“Actually…that is no longer true. He is now serving…as Commander in Chief”
Technically, I guess so.
Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
The answer would be no – my parents strongly discouraged joining due to heavy losses within the family. I honored their wishes.
Well, my family had heavy losses too. Mostly my Daddy would get dead drunk and go out and gamble his pay away. So they used the losses to strongly encourage me to join—one less mouth to feed and such.
Jim
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
Check and Mate – With the exception of the first couple sentences, Dunbar’s prayers was, verbatim, a prayer given by former Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Dunbar knew the anti-Christian, historical revisionists within the mainstream media would react with knee jerk outrage. She set an Egg landmine and the entire MSM, Jay Bookman included, are covered head-to-toe in yoke. What a powerful way to both 1) point out our nation’s irrefutable Christian founding and 2) expose the MSM for the frauds they are.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:28 pm
“I said women have a hard time admitting they are wrong”
and I’m just certain that your vast experience being a woman has led you to that conclusion.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:29 pm
Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
Funny how elections work, isn’t it. Perhaps you’d prefer a Kingdom instead.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
“Some of you stood by, some of you actively engaged, now you all pi$$ and moan when Obama follows in W’s footsteps.”
What ever happened to “change”. Wasn’t that a campaign slogan by one of the candidates??
mel
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
your right, you did say women can’t admit when wrong, not not make decisions. on this you are right. not that that makes it any better, general sentiment is the same.
Saul Good
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
Scout…. let me ask…. who would YOU vote for right now for Prez if you could? Who do YOU think would be our BEST “leader” right now (and according to your beliefs….would have already have dug us out of that massive hole by now as well)?
So who is it Scout? Who do you think would be our BEST leader?
We’ll wait…. ***pacing***
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
Ah what the hell (get it?), I guess I’m gonna burn forever because free will is such nonsense, and I’m apparently not one of the selected.
Nothing I can do about it, it just wasn’t in God’s plan…(Hat tip John Calvin.)
http://tinyurl.com/2deqng
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:31 pm
point out our nation’s irrefutable Christian founding
Nope. No true.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
superstitious fools. If we have to endure prayer in government facilities ,then it’s time to tax their bronze age god lovin’ asses,kill two birds with one stone that way
md
May 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
“Funny how elections work, isn’t it. Perhaps you’d prefer a Kingdom instead.”
With one party rule, what’s the difference??
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
12:34 pm
“..ant-Christian, historical revisionists…”
Is that similar to judicial activism and moral equivalency?
Or maybe more like compassionate conservatism and “We’ll be greeted as liberators”?
(As you can probably tell, I love Republispeak…)
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
With one party rule, what’s the difference??
The Republicans choose to band[y] together and refuse compromise and just say no. So, they effectively relinquish their rights and those of their constituency.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
“and I’m just certain that your vast experience being a woman has led you to that conclusion.”
No, being married to one for 2 years, with her for 5 has led me to that conclusion. One of the funniest quotes I’ve ever heard:
From the ‘Blind Side’:
Leigh Anne Touhy: You’re right.
Sean Tuohy: Wow. How’d those words taste coming out of your mouth?
Leigh Anne Touhy: Like vinegar.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:36 pm
md said Funny though, some guy just got in big trouble for impersonating a military officer, and our country rewards the smoothest talking (at any given time) politicians with the highest rank in the land. What a system.
md. first of all you have a little less credibility talking about the military than those of us who have served. Secondly, are you now implying that you object to Article II of the Constitution?
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:38 pm
“No, being married to one for 2 years, with her for 5 has led me to that conclusion.”
That’s called “reasoning from the specific to the general” and is a logical fault of argument.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:39 pm
“The Republicans choose to band[y] together and refuse compromise and just say no. So, they effectively relinquish their rights and those of their constituency.”
So you prefer a kingdom??
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:40 pm
Peadawg, as I have told you, when you generalize, you are generally wrong. What you have proven to us, with your allusion to your wife, is that love is blind.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:41 pm
“That’s called “reasoning from the specific to the general” and is a logical fault of argument.”
I understand what you mean. Like when women say, “all men are pigs”.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
“md. first of all you have a little less credibility talking about the military than those of us who have served. Secondly, are you now implying that you object to Article II of the Constitution?”
Less credibility – says who?? You??
And yes, I do. I don’t agree with CIC going to any politician – but that’s just me.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
So you prefer a kingdom??
I asked you that question.
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
That is a rather narrow-minded perspective.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:42 pm
“Like when women say, “all men are pigs”.”
Yep, just like that…but not ALL women do that, you know.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
One wonders if Ms. Dunbar’s Texas history books will have a prologue with an encore of her prayer. One wonders if the Texas history books will bear more myth than the Bible. One wonders if the Texas history books will be more “old school” than the Old Testament.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
I don’t agree with CIC going to any politician – but that’s just me.
Good thing given that CiC goes to just one, the President of the USofA.
Normal
May 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
Applicable?
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/ap_blumenthal_052310/
Elijah T Tishbite
May 24th, 2010
12:45 pm
Jay raises two issues here: 1) Was Ms. Dunbar’s prayer an appropriate invocation for the meeting? 2)Should prayer be offered up before public meetings? As to 1), it’s clear from her prayer that Ms. Dunbar wasn’t talking to God, but preaching to the audience. It’s a common practice that I’ve always thought was hypocriticial, but nevertheless inoffensive. Whether one believes her statements are true or false,she has the right to voice them, in the context of prayer or otherwise. That brings us to Jay’s second issue.
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated? The Founding Fathers belived that God brought them togehter in the unity of his wisdom; e.g., at the Constituional Convention, they prayed specifically that God would resolve their differences.
The 1st Ammendment states plainly that the Government cannot abridge the “free practice of religion.” It doesn’t have a clause, “except in public”. As pointed out by others, Washington believed strongly in God’s benevolent influence on the affairs of men. The Consitution is a document intended to limit the powers of the state. Its writers aasumed that everyone knew that the “inalienable rights” of the people were granted by their Creator! So the last couple of generations of geniuses have twisted the language of the Bill of Rights to try and snuff god out of the public arena. God forbid!
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:46 pm
“Yep, just like that…but not ALL women do that, you know.”
I know. Not all my women have problems admitting they’re wrong. It is pretty rare though…I can count the times my wife admitting on 1 hand.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:47 pm
not all women*** typo
don’t start!
md
May 24th, 2010
12:47 pm
“So you prefer a kingdom??
I asked you that question.
(And only a side chooser would actually see that process as one sided)
That is a rather narrow-minded perspective.”
Well, one party gov’t (such as we recently had) is the same as a kingdom as far as I am concerned, so no – don’t care for it. Prefer balance and compromise.
Narrow minded view?? Care to explain.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:48 pm
md, you were honest to admit that you do not have military experience. I am just saying that with experience in any endeavor, military or otherwise, you have more credibility. An employer looks at a perspective employee’s resume to see if he has the relevant experience, right? You know what I mean.
I asked the question about the Constitution, because I know that so many conservatives cry out that word in discussion of other topics. You know what I mean.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
“Good thing given that CiC goes to just one, the President of the USofA.”
Which just happens to be a politician – which are folks skilled in the art of bs.
Oh Joy.
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
Peadawg,
Not that anyone cares, but I am usually eager to admit when I’ve been wrong, because it’s the best way forward. The words don’t taste like vinegar; they taste like common sense. Trust is built in such ways, but thanks as always for demonstrating your cluelessness by stereotyping. (I’ve never thought that all men were pigs. There are TONS of terrific men out there. Maybe one day you’ll grow up and be one of them.)
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:50 pm
“What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer?”
to me this is the essence of the issue. Just for an bit of an extreme example: if that had been a meeting that was LITERALLY behind “locked” doors…then the harm would have been being FORCED to listen to that prayer, or any prayer.
If not locked, then anyone who was offended could have chosen to leave until the prayer was completed.
But you can’t leave out things like social pressures, and having to work within a group…stuff like that. Even if offended, sometimes it’s better to just let it ride than to offend those with whom you have to work.
Personally, I do not bow my head nor close my eyes when I’m at a public function where a prayer is offered. But out of respect to the sincerity (presumed) of the person offering the prayer I do stay quiet until it is finished.
FrankLeeDarling
May 24th, 2010
12:52 pm
I think TX textbooks are gonna’ need a sticker
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:53 pm
“is pretty rare though”
Unless you are prepared to converse with EVERY woman alive today, you’re going to have to deal with your lack of credibilty when making such a statement.
md
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
“I am just saying that with experience in any endeavor, military or otherwise, you have more credibility.”
Well, I know plenty of folks that are ex-military, and their “credibility” is very questionable – know what I mean. Just because they were “in”, doesn’t mean they are not clueless.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
” There are TONS of terrific men out there.”
And maybe you’ll find one to put with you one of these days.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:54 pm
“Which just happens to be a politician”
If you actually believe that armed forces officers AREN’T politicians, you didn’t get high enough in the ranks…and you still have A lot to learn.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:55 pm
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated?
Somehow I just don’t envision someone calling out “Praise Allah” after one of those harmless opening prayers at a “government” meeting as being welcome with the same open arms as an “Amen”. Then again, a YouTube could prove me wrong!
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
12:56 pm
“And maybe you’ll find one to put with you one of these days.”
Keep it up, you’re getting very close to fitting the description of an MCP
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
12:57 pm
md,
Your statement was narrow-minded because it was given as an absolute rather than simply one of an infinite number of possibilities — something that you have emphasized quite often in the past.
stands for decibels
May 24th, 2010
12:58 pm
Jim @ 12.28 sez it’s over because the BoE member was partially quoting Earl Warren.
However, I googled this:
“Freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under the law, and the reservation of powers to the people. I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion.”
So far I’ve uncovered a couple of right wing sites which, in turn, claim to quote a Time magazine article from 1954 containing these lines.
I don’t see how the BoE member quoting from Earl Warren actually changes the discussion much; at best I’ll give her style points if the quote’s legit.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
12:58 pm
Doggone, when I was stationed at Goodfellow Air Base in Texas, a good friend of mine who was quite into his religion invited me to attend Sunday services with a good deal of persistence. I was brought up Catholic and was not terribly interested in a “holy roller, speak in tongues religion. However, after six consecutive invitations, I accepted. I just warned him, “Do not proselytize to me.”
Well, the pastor found the stranger in the congregation – me. Next thing, I know, I am on my knees at the front of the church with about a dozen women hovering over me. That little group was a beseeching me to pray to the lord personally. I guess saying the “Holy Mary” did not go over well.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
12:59 pm
“Keep it up, you’re getting very close to fitting the description of an MCP”
An Microsoft Certified Professional? Huh?
She dished it out. She should be able to take it as well.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:00 pm
FrankLeeDarling , perhaps a “Toxic Waste” sticker would do.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
1:00 pm
I think TX textbooks are gonna’ need a sticker
What! A “King Perry Edition” sticker for the front cover.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
“I guess saying the “Holy Mary” did not go over well”
I bet not!
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
Are we to ban prayer from public life becuase we don’t agree with a particular prayer? What irreparable harm is done to us when we listen to an inappropriate prayer? How are our rights violated?
So if a prayer was offered at a government meeting, to Allah, hoping that He would lead us to the destruction of the US constitution, the banning of the Bill of Rights, and for all young men to join forces as suicide bombers, it would be all good? It is just an inappropriate prayer….
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
Bless Peadawg’s little um…. heart.
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:01 pm
“She dished it out. She should be able to take it as well”
That knife cuts both ways
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:03 pm
I pray for Peadawg’s soul. God is a woman.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:04 pm
“That knife cuts both ways”
I took her comment with a good laugh.
Birthers Anonymous
May 24th, 2010
1:04 pm
So if a prayer was offered at a government meeting, to Allah, hoping that He would lead us to the destruction of the US constitution, the banning of the Bill of Rights, and for all young men to join forces as suicide bombers, it would be all good? It is just an inappropriate prayer….
Then I suggest you not say something like that.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:05 pm
Church and state should be kept seperate…….church is a man made plan to keep folks under a rulers thumb.
DawgDad
May 24th, 2010
1:05 pm
Jay: I agree with you. I suspect most conservatives would, too, at face value of your article. I would point out, however, that “atheism” is an “ism” and it’s promotion by those in government (including the schools) is extremely repugnant to people of faith. NO ONE’s rights should be placed above the other.
john
May 24th, 2010
1:06 pm
It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. If some of you actually went to church, you would see that the vast majority help with serving the homeless, donations, mending drug and alcohol addiction, have great marriage counseling, and generally do a lot to help their fellow man….
But the liberals love to bash them and stick up for Hollywood nut jobs….Yeah, those evil Christians….
Lets face it most Liberals are miserable, unhappy people who can’t be happy so therfore must try to bring everyone else down….its really sad
DoggoneGA
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
“that “atheism” is an “ism” and it’s promotion by those in government (including the schools) is extremely repugnant to people of faith. NO ONE’s rights should be placed above the other.”
How do schools promote atheism?
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
“I pray for Peadawg’s soul.”
Thanks. I’m trying get a promotion and get into graduate school. I really appreciate it.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:07 pm
Well, I need to have a bite to eat. Here is my prayer for the day.
Good bread,
Good meat,
Good God,
Let’s eat.
PTL, Inc.
May 24th, 2010
1:08 pm
It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. If some of you actually went to church, you would see that the vast majority help with serving the homeless, donations, mending drug and alcohol addiction, have great marriage counseling, and generally do a lot to help their fellow man….
Better yet, just send in more tithes. Have you tithed this hour.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:08 pm
Peadawg, Grad School is neither heaven nor hell; more like Purgatory.
Matilda
May 24th, 2010
1:09 pm
Oh, I can take it, Pea-man. And if my assessment of you — based on your apparent need to stereotype women inaccurately in an unflattering way — is actually wrong, I am willing to admit it. Bless your heart.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:09 pm
Hey John.This statement……. ” It is amazing to me how liberals attach Christianity like it is some hate filled disease. ”
Didn’t Bush pray to “HIS GOD”….before attacking Iraq ?
Heston
May 24th, 2010
1:11 pm
Damn them all to… oops! Wrong prayer. Where’s my Soylent Green script?
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:12 pm
PTL, it is not so much religion, as the hypocritical “religious” lot who employ religion to promote a political agenda. And then there are the hypocrits of course who preach morality and practice infidelity.
Kamchak
May 24th, 2010
1:12 pm
If some of you actually went to church…
Been there, done that, took the guilt trip.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:13 pm
Bless your heart.
Thank you, ma’am.
mel
May 24th, 2010
1:13 pm
So, Liberals attack Christianity like it is a hate filled disease….but your little rant about Liberals was soooo love filled?
This liberal does not have a problem with Christianity, I have a problem with it being shoved into politics.
AmVet
May 24th, 2010
1:14 pm
Back in the day, a sticker I proposed be put in every Bible in Cobb County:
This book, written by men, proposes to speak on behalf of and contains material on god. God is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.
It never got any traction…
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:14 pm
mel, Amen.
Peadawg
May 24th, 2010
1:15 pm
Purgatory: “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven”
theyeshaveit, if the “enter the joy of heaven” is getting a raise, I’m all for it.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:15 pm
AmVet, I went to a Catholic elementary school in Cobb County. No chance of traction there.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
Religion and WAR…… inseparable since the dawn of Religion.
theyeshaveit
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
Now, I really have to get out of the blogosphere. Bye for now.
Jay's blog
May 24th, 2010
1:16 pm
The bible does come with a disclaimer. It’s on the very last page of every bible I’ve ever read: “No humans were harmed in the saving of this planet”.
I feel better.
Peter
May 24th, 2010
1:17 pm
Hey “songbird” …..you certainly do represent the Religious Right in your statement……bad karma my friend !
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
Perhaps Tipper and the PMRC can review the TX TXT books
md
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
“If you actually believe that armed forces officers AREN’T politicians, you didn’t get high enough in the ranks…and you still have A lot to learn.”
And the difference is they are primarily military first, politician second , whereas the CIC is politician first, military second.
Outhouse GoKart
May 24th, 2010
1:19 pm
The Songbird practicing voodoo without the doll.