NYC suspect, properly ‘Mirandized,’ tells his tale

From The Washington Post:

“Also triggering debate was the decision to read Shahzad his “Miranda” rights against self-incrimination. The Miranda issue rose to prominence after the Nigerian suspect in the Christmas Day incident, Omar Farouk Abdulmutallab, stopped cooperating with authorities after being read his rights. Some Republicans, including Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), said Shahzad should not have been afforded that constitutional right “until we find out what it’s all about.”

But administration officials said Shahzad, who, like Abdulmutallab, was initially responsive to questioning under a “public safety exception” to the Miranda rule, continued to cooperate after his rights were read to him. They also pointed out that Shahzad is a U.S. citizen and must be tried in civilian, not military, court. “

To review:

Shahzad, a U.S. citizen, was properly and legally Mirandized. And he is cooperating with investigators and apparently providing good information.

Yet the Chicken Littles so eager to hand federal authority vast and unchecked new powers over the individual — all in the name of temporary safety — will no doubt continue their clucking.

On the other hand, Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo) and others are correct when they point out that the NYC attack could have turned out very differently.

“Like the Christmas Day bomber, we were lucky that both of these folks were incompetent — they couldn’t trigger the explosives,” Bond said.

To a degree, that’s not just luck. The theory behind counterterrorism is to keep the enemy under such sustained pressure that he cannot muster a sophisticated, organized attack like that of Sept. 11 or the attack on Mumbai, India. So far, we’ve managed to do that.

However, there’s no doubt that luck was also involved. The attempts will keep coming, and eventually one may succeed. We have to accept that, and to understand that terrorists win when terrorists terrorize. A refusal to be terrorized — including a refusal to sacrifice the essential liberty that is our birthright in vain hope of temporary safety — must be part of our defensive response.

As Winston Churchill liked to say, “Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.”

156 comments Add your comment

Normal

May 5th, 2010
8:00 am

“Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.”

Exactly!

Normal

May 5th, 2010
8:00 am

First…Big Whoop…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 5th, 2010
8:02 am

The attempts will keep coming, and eventually one may succeed. We have to accept that, and to understand that terrorists win when terrorists terrorize.

Well, this just goes to show that hiding under your own bed is the best way to handle the Terrists. That, and making sure the voters know that us Republicans are the only choice they got if they want to be safe.

I’m just disgusted they read him his rights before he spilled his guts. Like I said before, people shouldn’t get no rights unless we like them. Being a U.S. citizen don’t matter. You need to ask the questions and then take the Terrist out and shoot him after he answers them. Telling him he’s got the right not to answer just holds things up.

Have a good day everybody. I hear it’s some kind of Mexican holiday. The holiday for us Americans will come when we ship them all back to Mexico.

TaxPayer

May 5th, 2010
8:03 am

Well, when a one trillion dollar annual DoD budget fails to produce acceptable results, then fall back on the old reliable. Luck. It just goes to show that no amount of money and technology and people can guarantee that we will never have a domestic terror attack. Of course, a two trillion dollar annual DoD budget would go a long way toward reducing the chances of another attack. And a three trillion dollar annual DoD budget will buy us even more security than two trillion dollars.

Normal

May 5th, 2010
8:04 am

Redneck,
Keep up the good work. :D

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
8:05 am

And lettuce not forget the other old cliche’ “Ones attitude determines ones altitude”.

Doggone/GA

May 5th, 2010
8:09 am

“And lettuce not forget the ”

That’s just too corny

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:09 am

OGK – your attitude can get you high?? ;-)

“Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.”

that’s right – and it was the attitude that EVERYone is responsible for their security that led to the street vendors keeping their eyes and ears open and making the call tha something was amiss …

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:11 am

normal – congrats on firsties …

and good morning doggone!

hi Taxi!

and have a PBR and a smile, redneck :-)

Normal

May 5th, 2010
8:13 am

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:11 am
normal – congrats on firsties …

I’d rather have won the lottery… :)

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:15 am

since you shared your morning giggle … here’s mine …

http://www.rhymeswithorange.com/

Chris Broe

May 5th, 2010
8:15 am

“Yet the Chicken Littles so eager to hand federal authority vast and unchecked new powers over the individual — all in the name of temporary safety — will no doubt continue their clucking.”

Cynthia Tucker thinks the GOP is suddenly in love with Big Government when it comes to protecting our coast from big oil and protecting our border from Big Mexico. Arizona Republicans are having a “Baja” moment. The Phoenix Suns have uniforms that read, “Los Suns” so that police can more easily identify who to taser at sporting events.

Rush Limbaugh still thinks Obama caused the oil spill. I guess Rush is having a Hee Haw moment.

Well, that’s my aha moment.

just kiddin…….

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
8:19 am

Whatever happened to that “band”, for lack of a better word, a-ha? Will we see them on VH-1 “What is and what should never be?”

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:21 am

OGK – “Whatever happened to that “band”, for lack of a better word, a-ha?”

they came out with a new album last year

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8162547.stm

Paul

May 5th, 2010
8:22 am

Jay

[[Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), said Shahzad should not have been afforded that constitutional right “until we find out what it’s all about.”]]

Washington Post also reported “In a news conference at the Justice Department, FBI Deputy Director John Pistole said Shahzad was initially interrogated by the FBI under the “public safety exception to the Miranda rule” and provided “valuable” intelligence and evidence.”

So…. Justice did do what Sen McCain said – delayed giving Shahzad Miranda until they found out if he was a lone wolf (Napolitano’s assertion) which he wasn’t. They found he was involved with Pakistani Taliban

McCain did not say “no reading of Miranda.” He said “no reading until…” Justice got enough to run with, then Mirandized.

And the fact he kept on talking? No way to know what he would do in the future. But… if Justice thought they had a guy who would keep talking no matter what, it was a low-risk move.

———————————————————————-

For all the “Bush let 9-11 happen, had warning but was not effective or did enough to prevent the attack…” This is the first attack on homeland by Pakistani Taliban, who announced months ago major cities would be attacked. They told us it was coming, we did not stop it.

So, I suppose you’ll substitute “Obama” for “Bush” and rerun your 9-11 posts?

TaxPayer

DoD isn’t the department in charge of this and the bulk of their gazillion $$$ is not directed at this.

RW-(the original)

May 5th, 2010
8:23 am

If the public safety exception was used and then this brand spanking new citizen was read his Miranda rights, as the administration claims, then they did the right thing and I applaud them. The only problem is we very rarely get the truth out of this bunch from the jump.

On a related note I heard a Democrat strategist this morning talking about how great it was that the Obama administration stopped this guy. Since when does it count as stopping someone when the only thing that prevented the success of the plot was that the guy built a bomb with non-explosive fuel?

Jay

May 5th, 2010
8:26 am

RW, I agree on that second point: Obama and his administration played no direct role in stopping this, and it’s a little much to be taking credit.

On the other hand, I’m sure you would agree that Obama would be blamed harshly — and equally unfairly — had it succeeded. That’s politics; that’s human nature. We’re an awkward breed.

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
8:26 am

“they came out with a new album last year”

Oh my…pity some refuse to just gracefully fade away.

Bud Wiser

May 5th, 2010
8:29 am

Paul, left wing idiots never let facts get in the way of their drooling, slobbering rants.

Doggone/GA

May 5th, 2010
8:31 am

“Since when does it count as stopping someone ”

Correct, they didn’t stop this attempt…but they caught him, and it can reasonably said that they stopped him from any future attempts. Of course, that’s no guarantee there would have BEEN future attempts, but if he’s in jail their certainly won’t be any by THIS guy.

Chris Broe

May 5th, 2010
8:34 am

Another AJC journalist makes a “sky is falling” reference for the 99th time so far this year. I guess Bookman can be forgiven. I mean his pieces lat ely have been “BIG” themed: big government. big oil. big chicken.”

Directions to the nearest polling booth: “go to the big chicken and turn leftist”.

RW-(the original)

May 5th, 2010
8:34 am

Well Jay B, I’ve tried three times to respond to your 8:26 and the blog freaks out when I hit submit. Anyway, I doubt the MSM would blame President Obama unless they had him on video driving the Pathfinder.

Off to the forest.

See y’all this evening.

MiltonMan

May 5th, 2010
8:37 am

Good thing that Obozo & Holder declared that they will no longer label any terrorist as an “enemy combatant”. Up until that declaration the Supreme Court on 2 decisions said that the President, with some limits, could deem a “terrorist” as an enemy combatant – even American citizens.

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
8:38 am

UK…The 1980’s, decade of the Keytar, Rick Rockett, the thompson twins, awful music and hairspray…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keytar

If the taliban/al-keyda had just a little more intelligence they might consider a worldwide purchase of all the old and newer models of the keytar and dropping them on Major Metorpolitan areas across the gloge.

This act alone would shake the very foundations western civilization and probably bring them to their collective knees.

Paul

May 5th, 2010
8:39 am

Bud Wiser

My point was simply that we’re dealing with an enemy that’s shifting, morphing, changing tactics and methods. I think much of the Bush criticism was an orchestrated effort by Congressional Democrats for political advantage when Iraq went south. So far, Congressional Republicans have not followed suit with the ‘inept’ and ‘let this happen.’ But let a few hundred casualties occur and that may not hold.

But Jay does have a point – jihadist groups have been so weakened over the past few years that their effectiveness in directing operations has greatly declined. Let’s just hope the pressure, and the Administration’s luck, holds. For a long, long time.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
8:40 am

The Obama Administration is taking a lot of the credit for stopping the incident, they also should take a lot of the blame for almost letting the bomber leave on a plane. Probably should put an asterisk behind this “victory.”

Urban Republican

May 5th, 2010
8:40 am

The would be terrorist who happens to practice Islam, Faisal Shazad is a naturalized U. S. citizen from Pakistan so he should have been Mirandized. Unlike the underwear bomber, legal citizens are afforded rights and privileges granted by the constitution.

Why are liberals so hell bent on granting legal rights to individuals who detest our laws and our way of life? The whole point of their attack is that they hate the U.S. because we are about individual liberty and freedoms that many in the Islamic world see as vile and against Islamic laws.

Since Islamic terrorists hate America, we should grant their wish that their trial be conducted according to Sharia law! Saddam Hussein was gone within 6 weeks of being convicted. His appeals were swift and he was hung, end of story.

TaxPayer

May 5th, 2010
8:40 am

DoD isn’t the department in charge of this and the bulk of their gazillion $$$ is not directed at this.

Then what are we spending all that money on the DoD for if they will not even accept responsibility for going after terrorists. Did Bush lie again. And I just heard this morning that Huckleberry claimed that the only way we caught this guy was via an intercepted phone message by the military. What up with that.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:41 am

“Directions to the nearest polling booth: “go to the big chicken and turn leftist”.”

southbound on 41, you’ll wind up at Harry’s …

northbound on 41, you’ll wind up heading towards the Marietta Square…

neither of which are necessarily a bad proposition …

Left wing management

May 5th, 2010
8:41 am

Jay, you say: “On the other hand, I’m sure you would agree that Obama would be blamed harshly — and equally unfairly — had it succeeded. That’s politics; that’s human nature. We’re an awkward breed.”

Not so. Politics are in deplorable shape NOW for certain specific reasons, one of which is the mobification of the right, and the failure of the moderate and left side to cope with it properly.

Doggone/GA

May 5th, 2010
8:42 am

“Unlike the underwear bomber, legal citizens are afforded rights and privileges granted by the constitution”

The Constitution protects those rights for ALL, not just for “citizens”

david wayne osedach

May 5th, 2010
8:43 am

Lucky for us he is such an amateur!

Simon Lebon

May 5th, 2010
8:44 am

“…well all I can say is that the guitar has never had much appeal to me but I remember one christmas morning waking up to a brand new Yamaha Keytar. At that moment I knew what I wanted to be and…”

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:44 am

OGK – you forgot: Flock of Seagulls (speaking of hairspray) … Duran Duran (swoon!) … Human League … Spandeau Ballet …

dude … there was some serious WRONG going on in the 80s …

but then you also had XTC, INXS, and Squeeze, so there were a few bands that saved the decade from being total dreck

Doggone/Stoopit

May 5th, 2010
8:45 am

The Constitution is for the people of this country… not others. If it was for “others”, it wouldn’t be the U.S. Constitution.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:46 am

“almost letting the bomber leave on a plane”

you realize they were trying to see if he was going to meet with accomplices, don’t you … he was no closer to leaving than I am right now

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:47 am

Doggone stoopid – “The Constitution is for the people of this country… not others”

no, the constitution is for the people IN this country – it covers visitors as well as residents … THAT’S why it’s called the US constitution, you numpty

stands for decibels

May 5th, 2010
8:48 am

Yet the Chicken Littles so eager to hand federal authority vast and unchecked new powers over the individual — all in the name of temporary safety — will no doubt continue their clucking.

If such nonsense has the kind of resonance with voters that the Chicken Littles expect; if people are really foolish enough to believe that due process is something we can discard whenever it’s convenient to reward such pandering with their vote? Maybe we really are getting the government we deserve, nothing more or less.

However, I like to think most voters are at least a bit smarter than that.

DOGGONE/STUPID

May 5th, 2010
8:50 am

Are we being hard enough on Terrorist ? Obama has taken a more sudtitle approach on fighting terrorism, tip-toeing and not acknowledging war on Islamic Terrorist. It’s obviuos that they are beginning to bring the fight to us,with two failed attempts, we need to look inward and take a new tack. If we don’t how long before they suceed. Do you want your loved ones family and friend be their next victim ? If we concern our selves on not obstructing their rights, they will use it to their benifit. I would prefer putting a bullet between a Terrorist eyes than for that Terrorist to take one of my loved ones, or an innocent U.S. citizen.

Scout

May 5th, 2010
8:51 am

Jay:

“AFTER” the public safety exception ……… and anything he said before he was read his rights is still admissable against him in court !

Bubba

May 5th, 2010
8:53 am

Didn’t I already read this from CT? Maybe the blogs could be combined. Call it CynJay.

Disgusted

May 5th, 2010
8:53 am

Saddam Hussein was gone within 6 weeks of being convicted. His appeals were swift and he was hung, end of story.

Oh, nonsense! Don’t you read anything? Saddam was in prison for years before he was hanged—not hung (go back and repeat 8th grade English.) It just so happened that his execution occurred a few weeks after his last trial.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:53 am

“I would prefer putting a bullet between a Terrorist eyes than for that Terrorist to take one of my loved ones, or an innocent U.S. citizen”

wow … does that mean you’re enlisting to go to Afghanistan, then???

Mick

May 5th, 2010
8:55 am

They will keep trying, we need to get out of the middle east hornets nest and lower the temperature. Favorite 80’s band – van halen, so it wasn’t a total loss.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
8:57 am

UsinUK says

“almost letting the bomber leave on a plane” “you realize they were trying to see if he was going to meet with accomplices, don’t you … he was no closer to leaving than I am right now.”

Sorry UK, but: AP, NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly played down the slip on the morning TV talk shows Wednesday, telling ABC’s “Good Morning America” that “it’s not unusual in an investigation” to briefly lose track of the target.

Emirates airlines also didn’t initially notice when Shahzad purchased a ticket that he had been placed on the government’s no-fly list, according to a law enforcement official.

U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano credited customs officials with recognizing Shahzad’s name on a passenger manifest and stopping the flight. Agents apprehended him on the plane.

I guess the DHS was observing from afar.

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
8:58 am

Van Halen…Yes.
Van Hagar…NO!!

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
8:59 am

“U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano credited customs officials with recognizing Shahzad’s name on a passenger manifest and stopping the flight. Agents apprehended him on the plane.”

in other words, they did their jobs.

thanks.

bugatti

May 5th, 2010
8:59 am

I’m certain that he has told us everything we will ever need to know that will protect us from his little friends and their Islamic fun.

How friggin stupid would you need to be in order to believe that?

First, a T shirt vender is needed to point out that the SUV parked on the sidewalk in Times Square with smoke pouring out the back just might be suspicious. Then we allow this pretty boy Islamic A-hole to tell his story of woe and how the fact that he has taken the same hit as the rest of us forced him to need to kill hundreds of Americans.

Poor baby. One bullet. One head. We are done.

Then idiots like this Jay character claim that everything is alright because he was mirandized and he just told us everything we need to know.

I hate to sound like Bill Maher, but we deserve everything we get.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:00 am

OGK – 8:58 … sorry, but I’m still 8 different shades of bitter that Stevie Ray Vaughn is no longer with us but David Lee Roth is …

godless heathen

May 5th, 2010
9:00 am

The news reports that this joker was po’d about Predator drones killing his countrymen. So who’s provoking terrorism with his foreign policy now?

Doggone/Stoopit

May 5th, 2010
9:01 am

US UK – @ 8:46 – Yeah right… that’s a stretch of the imagination. You’re beginning to sound like the Repubs!

Gale

May 5th, 2010
9:02 am

Since the discussion has drifted to music. I am thinking today about lyrics that sink into my core and never leave me. I still get a chill hearing “four dead in Ohio”. The Kent State talk has me remembering that day. And the church bell “for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald” tears me up just thinking about it.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
9:03 am

Hmmm, when did Customs and street vendors become DHS? That’s right, take credit for whatever happens its the American way.

Gale

May 5th, 2010
9:04 am

Stevie Ray Vaughn was one in 10 million.

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:04 am

“However, I like to think most voters are at least a bit smarter than that.”

Cue Peadawg.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
9:05 am

“you realize they were trying to see if he was going to meet with accomplices, don’t you … he was no closer to leaving than I am right now”

Oh, the Feds were on the plane? Losing track does sound like it.

bugatti

May 5th, 2010
9:06 am

USinUK

in other words, they did their jobs.

Really? Has anyone cared to wonder how this “victim” of our country’s financial woes was able to afford, first round trip air fare to Pakistan and then how he paid for the ticket that almost flew him to freedom? A ticket half way around the world just might cost a dime or two. Did “Elementary My Dear Janet” tell us how he was able to afford that?

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:07 am

Gale – 9:04 – you got that right!

JKase – you might want to learn a little more about customs – you’ll look smarter

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/about/

Doggone/GA

May 5th, 2010
9:08 am

“The Constitution is for the people of this country”

Almost. The Constitution is for the people IN this country

DOGGONE/STUPID

May 5th, 2010
9:09 am

U SinUK wow . . . does that mean your enlisting to go to Afganistan then?

I have attempted to enlist, unfortuneately, I am over the maximum age limit. I would be proud to serve my country. If you have any other intellegent comments you know what you can do.

Paul

May 5th, 2010
9:09 am

Urban Republican

[[Why are liberals so hell bent on granting legal rights to individuals who detest our laws and our way of life? ]]

Because if they’re US citizens the Constitution requires it?

TaxPayer

You may want to review the Intel reorganization recommended by 9-11 commission and implemented for answer to DoD relationship and responsibilities in these situations, esp. regards Homeland Security. It’s Napolitano out front, not Chairman, JCS.

I’m sure “Bush lied” was just red meat or a reflexive utterance. Pres Obama’s the one funneling the money, now.

Regarding the Army conducting signals intercepts over NYC… (the fact you had to ask about it shows you how much play the story got, compared to oh….. if Bush did it? :-) )

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/45253

Normal

May 5th, 2010
9:10 am

The fact remains that the bomb was a fizzle and nobody was hurt. Was it luck, Divine intervention, whatever. It doesn’t matter because it’s done. Quit dwelling on this one and start looking for the next one. BTW, the investigative work done to catch this guy in just over 53 hours was superb.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:10 am

bugatti –

he was in a good-paying job until last June, then stopped making payments on his house (like millions of other people in the US) – I’m sure that gave him a little jingle in his pocket

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050405329_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010050201717

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:14 am

doggone stooooopid – “I am over the maximum age limit.”

I’m sure there are LOADS of other ways you can serve … have you applied to the DHS? what about the police? how about INS?

seriously – if you REALLY want to make a difference, I’m SURE you could find a way (other than b*tching and moaning on Jay’s blog)

SOUTHERN ATL

May 5th, 2010
9:17 am

Excellent article!

Jay

May 5th, 2010
9:17 am

No Stew, you can’t revoke his citizenship as a way of stripping him of his constitutional rights.

If the government could do that to him, it could do it to you as well. Given your feelings toward Obama, do you really want to give the government that power?

Normal

May 5th, 2010
9:17 am

I think I see where bugatti is going with this. He thinks that the bomber was paid by the Obama Administration, so that the Prez and his party would look good and tough on terrorism. That’s how he was able to afford first class.

It’s just like the brainiacs who contened that Bush let 911 happen.

Ha!

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
9:18 am

UK, was hoping you’d say that. So DHS has a guy paying cash for a one-way ticket, is on the no-fly list, and the plane was taxiing on the runway, seconds before leaving, finally someone woke up at the switch and stop it. And these are the people protecting us? I only wish I was as smart as YOU think you are.

Urban Republican

May 5th, 2010
9:18 am

“it covers visitors as well as residents”
So, at what point are terrorists coming to the U.S. on a plane visiting? If they fail to blow-up the plane and land in America are they visiting? Suppose they manage to blow-up the plane, should a one-way ticket to the U.S. be considered an intent to visit?

Don’t make sense. Liberals trying to defend the indefensible acts of terrorists and would be terrorists is being politically correct and ass-backwards!

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:19 am

Normal – well, you know … Obama DID blow up that oil platform … so it’s possible

:roll:

(it sounds like we’re returning to the Vince Foster nuttiness)

bugatti

May 5th, 2010
9:20 am

Why it is called Mranda:

In 1963, Ernesto Miranda was accused of kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old, mildly retarded woman. He was brought in for questioning, and confessed to the crime. He was not told that he did not have to speak or that he could have a lawyer present. At trial, Miranda’s lawyer tried to get the confession thrown out, but the motion was denied. In 1966, the case came in front of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled that the statements made to the police could not be used as evidence, since Miranda had not been advised of his rights.

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:20 am

“(it sounds like we’re returning to the Vince Foster nuttiness)”

Isn’t that the guy Bill Clinton murdered?

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:21 am

JKase – I’m sorry, I’m still laughing about the “customs isn’t a part of homeland security” gambit of yours …

“I only wish I was as smart as YOU think you are”

I feel confident that you’re not alone in that wish …

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:21 am

….or was it Hillary? Oh, I can’t remember.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:21 am

“Why it is called Miranda”

… and all this time I thought it was because they made you wear wacky hats made out of fruit …

huh.

Jay

May 5th, 2010
9:22 am

Here’s a good piece on how Shahzad got on that Dubai flight. The system worked, but barely, and changes have already been made to close the loopholes.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/news/faisal-shahzad-fbi-team-lost-suspected-ny-bomber-dpgonc-20100505-fc_7386395

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:22 am

Urban Republican,

Nope, it’s not liberals defending the indefensible, it’s the Constitution. Ya’ know, that weird little piece of paper we have to live by.

DOGGONE/STUPID

May 5th, 2010
9:24 am

U SinUK Grow up and maybe some one will let you play. I am patriotic enough to live in my own country. I do not live and pat taxes to a foriegn country. I do serve my country by rebuking clowns as your self. If you want to defend terrorism, perhaps its a good thing that you do live in another country.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
9:24 am

UK, as you with the Customs part, I almost choked on my coffee with your: “you realize they were trying to see if he was going to meet with accomplices.”

Normal

May 5th, 2010
9:25 am

JAY,
Nice touch using Fox… ;)

Normal

May 5th, 2010
9:27 am

DOGGONE/STUPID

May 5th, 2010
9:24 am

Bless your heart…

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
9:27 am

“…Greece swings, srike three. Next up Spain. And Europe rounds out the top of the order.”

Doggone/Stoopit

May 5th, 2010
9:27 am

Yeah Us in UK – I’m still laughing about your comment on the reason he got on the plane – “you realize they were trying to see if he was going to meet with accomplices, don’t you …”

Doggone/Stoopit

May 5th, 2010
9:29 am

Normal @ 9:27

It was funny the first few times…

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
9:29 am

“In 1963, Ernesto Miranda”. I wonder if Ernesto was an illegal alien?

Doggone/GA

May 5th, 2010
9:30 am

Gale – yep, on both songs

Paul

May 5th, 2010
9:30 am

Urban Republican

[[Don’t make sense. Liberals trying to defend the indefensible acts of terrorists ]]

My impression is liberals are not trying to defend terrorists’ acts. They are defending the principles laid down in the Constitution and held by the Court.

The Constitution does not address motive of suspects in affording rights.

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:30 am

Normal

May 5th, 2010
9:30 am

Doggone/Stoopit

May 5th, 2010
9:29 am
Normal @ 9:27

It was funny the first few times…

Doesn’t make it less true though…

bugatti

May 5th, 2010
9:31 am

USinUK

So let’s see. he lost his house and as Ap said this morning, he was in a downward spiral. But I’m sure he had the several thousand bucks it would take to fly to Pakistan and then to The Arab Emerates.

So he takes this massive wealth that he still has after losing his house and flies to Pakistan to attend a Terror Camp.

So is that a phone book kind of thing in Pakistan? Camp, camp, Girl Scout Camp, Boy Scout Camp, Terrorist Training Camp, Here it is. 1 800 Kill-Yanks.

Of course he didn’t have any help from anyone. I’m pretty sure that he actually just audited the classes at the terrorist camps. That would explain why the bomb didn’t go off.

But of course, we will never know. His high dollar blood sucking lawyers will know. His accomplices are already working on their next bomb mule, secure in knowing that they are safe because America is fair and kind.

I feel so much better, knowing that we are loved before they blow us to bits.

Outhouse GoKart

May 5th, 2010
9:33 am

Ohio wouldve been a much better song had David Crosby not been involved.

Pick up the CD “Decade” by Neil Young. GOOOOD CRACKER!

TaxPayer

May 5th, 2010
9:33 am


You may want to review the Intel reorganization recommended by 9-11 commission and implemented for answer to DoD relationship and responsibilities in these situations, esp. regards Homeland Security. It’s Napolitano out front, not Chairman, JCS.

Why. I was talking about the DoD and the enormous amount of money we funnel to them to keep this country safe from terrorists. So, I hardly need your advice regarding documentation to review on the issue that I raise.

I’m sure “Bush lied” was just red meat or a reflexive utterance. Pres Obama’s the one funneling the money, now.

My comment about Bush lying is what it is, red meat for some, etc. Further, I never suggested that President Obama is not responsible for funneling the money now. Did you have a point with that comment or was it merely a reflexive utterance.

Regarding the Army conducting signals intercepts over NYC… (the fact you had to ask about it shows you how much play the story got, compared to oh….. if Bush did it? )

I wonder who pays those folks. Is that covered by any of that one trillion dollar annual DoD expenditure. The fact that I ask the rhetorical question does surely escape some.

J Kase

May 5th, 2010
9:34 am

In the next election, I hope a street vendor runs for office. Will be the only virgin politician in the bunch, keeps his eyes open on his watch, and will positively be the only honest one.

Jay

May 5th, 2010
9:35 am

USinUK, Stupid…

Back it down several notches, please.

Bosch

May 5th, 2010
9:35 am

USinUK,

Ya’ know you’ve won when they start in with the wiggin’ — :-)

Jay

May 5th, 2010
9:36 am

Seriously, folks.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:36 am

Doggone stooooooooopid – 9:31 – woe! oh, the pain! no, please sir – stop!!!

:roll:

bugatti – he stopped making house payments – that doesn’t mean he’s broke. it just means he’s in default. you, too, can stop making house payments and walk away – people are doing it all over the country.

Brad Steel

May 5th, 2010
9:37 am

The theory behind counterterrorism is to keep the enemy under such sustained pressure that he cannot muster a sophisticated, organized attack like that of Sept. 11…

9/11 was organized. But high-jacking planes with box cutters doesn’t really qualify as sophisticated. Seems to me that all of the terrorist attacks have been cobbled together with material and methods that are available to pretty much everyone. That’s not exactly what I would describe as sophisticated.

bugatti

May 5th, 2010
9:38 am

Bosch

Isn’t that the guy Bill Clinton murdered?

no. THat’s the left handed guy that shot himself in the right temple and then drug himself several miles from a park back to his own office.

I’m sure that his relationship with the Clintons had nothing to do with it.

USinUK

May 5th, 2010
9:41 am

Jay … but … but … but … he started it!!! ;-)