Obama, the white-hating Muslim Marxist from Kenya

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Many a strange tale has been told — and believed — about Barack Hussein Obama.

The most prominent is that Obama was born outside the United States, and thus may not be a legitimate president. Prominent politicians and media figures, including at least one major Republican candidate for governor, have publicly flirted with, if not embraced, the story.

That’s in part because it has a good number of believers. According to a recent CBS poll, 32 percent of Republicans believe Obama was born somewhere else, and the tale is more popular still among those who align themselves with the tea party. The poll reports that 59 percent of the tea party movement say they are at the very least unsure whether the president is a native-born American.

The tenacity of that belief, even when confronted with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, makes no rational sense. But looked at another way, the birthers tell a story that is 100 percent accurate.

Don’t get me wrong — their story doesn’t tell us a thing about where Obama was born. But it does reveal a lot about the state of mind of those who believe and spread the stories that he was born in Kenya, that he is a secret Muslim or some kind of Marxist plant.

Such stories are not intended to function in the world of reality, which is why they are immune to refutation by evidence or logic. They operate instead as fairy tales and political folklore, and like traditional fairy tales and folklore their truth is not literal but metaphorical.

Such tales tell a truth about those who tell them. They are myths, and as Joseph Campbell put it, “myths are public dreams … vehicles of communication between the conscious and the unconscious.”

Another good example would be the “whitey tape” rumor of 2008. According to reports on Fox News and elsewhere, Michelle Obama of all people had been captured on video with Louis Farrakhan expressing her deep, visceral disdain for all white people.

Ridiculous as it seems today, that tape was quite the buzz for a while, with many people expressing absolute certainty that the tape existed and that, released at the proper time, it would save the nation from the threat of an Obama presidency.

Again, the fabricated story told us nothing about the future first lady. But just as the story of Little Red Riding Hood tells us nothing about reality, but a lot about the medieval fear of wolves and forests, the “whitey” story revealed a lot about the secret terror that Mrs. Obama and her husband inspire in some quarters. It served, as Campbell put it, as “a vehicle of communication between the conscious and the unconscious.”

The same is true of the claim advanced by Sean Hannity and others that Obama — a Columbia grad with a Harvard law degree who served as president of the Harvard Law Review — couldn’t possibly have written his own best-selling autobiography, that it was instead written by ’60s radical Bill Ayers.

Again, the complete absence of facts to support such a claim was far less important than the fact that to some, the story just felt right. It gave an outlet to their fears that Obama could not be what he claimed and must in fact be a puppet of larger, nefarious forces.

Even after Obama was elected, the stories didn’t stop. They just took on another form. Right away, a claim began to spread through the right-wing network of talk radio, Web sites and e-mails that the newly sworn president was plotting to outlaw gun sales, confiscate handguns or somehow ban the sale of ammunition.

The bizarre story offered millions of people a way to justify the unease and fear that they felt, and it also gave them a means to act on that fear. The rumor produced an historic surge of gun-buying, with the shelves of some gun shops stripped clean of ammo.

That was followed by the Fairness Doctrine conspiracy, which insisted that once in power, Obama intended to silence his opposition in conservative talk radio by resurrecting a law abolished more than 20 years earlier. That in turn was followed by claims that he was secretly creating a “civilian national security force” under his personal control, a tale embraced by U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia and others.

The only thing real about that and other such fairy tales is the fear that motivates them.

But in the dream state that is modern American politics, that is sufficient.

444 comments Add your comment

Chris Broe

April 30th, 2010
7:24 am

Born Again Flat-earther BIrther Racist-secessionists are the backbone of the spineless.

Just kidding……

TaxPayer

April 30th, 2010
7:30 am

Sadly, Jay, there is also no medical treatment available to treat the symptoms either. Sedation of the entire Republican party is the most cost-effective alternative identified to date. The addition of a suitable sedative to the drinking water in select areas, as determined from an analysis of census data, should prove to be quite effective. Valium, for example, has worked well in the past. Remember how pacified those Kent State students became after a few days. Eh! Need I say more.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:32 am

in other words … don’t let the facts get in the way of a good hate-on …

pretty sad, really …

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:34 am

Taxpayer – I’d suggest lacing red-state water supplies with lithium … but that’s just me …

Union

April 30th, 2010
7:36 am

Since when do facts matter? This is politics with a little dash of media tossed in..

Bob

April 30th, 2010
7:38 am

Jay, why mess with them, and tell Michelle Obama to quit messing with them also, it’s beneath her. She just added fuel a few weeks ago when she said in a speech about taking a public aids test in Kenya, she called Kenya Obama’s “home Country”, move on, the birthers are on par with the truthers.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:39 am

Good morning America.

The poll reports that 59 percent of the tea party movement say they are at the very least unsure whether the president is a native-born American.

I’m beginning to like the term “TeaTard” for these folks. True, it is unduly insulting to those with actual mental disabilities, so that will prevent me from fully embracing the terminology, but for now it gets the job done.

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
7:42 am

“I’m beginning to like the term”

Me, I prefer “TPers” – ’cause “TP” has always had a meaning, it isn’t “TeaParty” but it does seem to fit.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:43 am

dammit, dB … that nearly made me spit my salad … however, that is an insult to people who actually ARE disabled (not to mention, it’ll made Sarah cwy) … so, I think we can all agree that they live in a state of Tea-nial …

jt

April 30th, 2010
7:43 am

Obama claiming that he is an American is about as ridicu&lus as Bush claiming to be a Texan.

There is more to being an American than where you were born. It is what you believe in. Barry Soweto believes in the collective. That is for euroweenies, marxists, and tyrants.

The last REAL American president was Sir Ronald Wilson Reagan. RIP sir. America sure misses you.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:44 am

Me, I prefer “TPers”

It’s pretty good; I like it as a stealth reference, because it’s one that TPers themselves use.

Me, whenever I hear it, I can’t help but thinking about this guy.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:46 am

There is more to being an American than where you were born. It is what some anonymous online schmuck happens to believe in on a given day.

fried yonder taco.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:46 am

Doggone – years ago, the Washington Post’s style invitational asked readers to rewrite safety rhymes to make them … well … not …

my favorites was “Leaves of three make great TP!”

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:46 am

(not to mention, it’ll made Sarah cwy) …

ok, “Tea-Tard” it is.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:47 am

jt – “There is more to being an American than where you were born”

legally, not so much.

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
7:47 am

good one, USinUK!

jt

April 30th, 2010
7:49 am

schmuck you too.

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April 30th, 2010
7:50 am

So if he “isn’t” a marxist, what would you like to call him, kookman?

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:50 am

schmuck you too.

I prefer to self-ID as “douchebag” at these times, actually.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
7:51 am

So if he “isn’t” a marxist, what would you like to call him, kookman?

Your legitimately elected President, which is more than we could say for the last tenant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

AmVet

April 30th, 2010
7:52 am

Personally, I think the worst of these right wing nut jobs are still reeling from electing, enabling and grinning and shucking on behalf of the most inept and unethical US President in history – George Walker Bush.

Imagine how you would feel about yourself having voted for that industrial strength loser? Twice!

And outside of their Tea Party fan club, they are generally dismissed as utterly irrational sheep, hate filled bigots and 1950s reactionaries.

The modern day Know Nothing Party.

Their future, fortunately, looks very bleak…

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
7:53 am

umm … isn’t in quotations???

(more evidence that, without AmSpec to provide his opinions, whiner is at a loss)

Gale

April 30th, 2010
7:55 am

“There is more to being an American than where you were born.” A statement that can be read both ways. In the negative to demean Obama or in the positive to appreciate those immigrants who have come to the US and become contributing citizens. Our problem with immigration reform as many people currently see it, is that they want it to simply fix the illegal immigration over our southern border. While that is a problem, easily solved by deporting every one we catch and closing the anchor baby loophole, another serious problem that needs to be addressed is the long and difficult path to citizenship for people who want to live here legally as citizens. I would hazard a guess that many of the ‘walk-ins’ have no interest at all in becoming American citizens.

Bob

April 30th, 2010
7:55 am

sfd, you are on par with the birthers if you are still fighting that battle, you lost, get ovet it.

Jay

April 30th, 2010
7:56 am

“kookman,” Reporter? “kookman?” That sounds suspiciously like a “rude insult.”

And I shall “laugh it off and not lower myself into the gutter from whence the smear arose,” as someone in these parts recently put it.

jt

April 30th, 2010
7:57 am

USinUK

legally, not so much.

That’s just my opinion. I could care less where you were born. It is where you were raised and what you believe in that counts. Barry Soweto could not help where he was born, nor can anyone else.

DOGGONE/STUPID

April 30th, 2010
7:57 am

Just like a bunch of silly liberals, it does not matter how many gather and start spewing their hatred, theres not enough brain power to seek or speak the truth.

Scooter

April 30th, 2010
7:58 am

Well, I’m still going to cling to my guns Jay. You can have the Bible because I have already read it.

Tommy Maddox

April 30th, 2010
7:58 am

It amazes me that MSNBC Zombies know how to type.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:02 am

As usual, Bookman is citing a garbage poll created to allow partisan hacks like him to demonize people who don’t share his narrow minded views.

Answering that you think Obama was born in another country does not make you a birther. My guess is that most of the people who don’t know where Obama was born also don’t know about the naturalized birth requirement. Jay is just spinning this answer to attack people who don’t share his intolerant ideological views.

Contrast this with the 38% of Democrats who think that Bush was behind 9/11. In that case the question is unambiguous. But hey, Jay doesn’t care about any of that crap. Like most liberals, he just wants to demonize conservatives because he is incapable of making a policy argument.

It doesn’t matter though. The ad-hominem attacks from hate mongers like Jay and Glenn Beck is dismissed as the garbage that it is by all but the most rigid and intolerant partisans.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:02 am

“It is where you were raised and what you believe in that counts”

so, you CAN’T help where you’re born, but you CAN help where you’re raised …

dammit, I KNEW I should have told my dad to leave Marietta and move to Va Highlands as soon as I could talk … bread-winner, schmead-winner …

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:03 am

. “I would hazard a guess that many of the ‘walk-ins’ have no interest at all in becoming American citizens.”

Therein lies the problem. (lies is probably spelled wrong).

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:06 am

mike – “Contrast this with the 38% of Democrats who think that Bush was behind 9/11.”

no … the stat (even cited by right-leaning Rasmussen) is that 35% of Dems belive that Bush KNEW about 9/11 … not that Bush was behind it …

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

but, hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good smear, right?

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:07 am

jt – “Therein lies the problem. (lies is probably spelled wrong).”

why is it a problem? I’ve lived in the UK for 4 years as of tomorrow – I work, I pay taxes, I support the economy, but I have absolutely no desire to renounce my US citizenship.

AmVet

April 30th, 2010
8:08 am

In retrospect, it is rather amazing that there are ANY Americans left that still cling to these puerile neo-con notions.

But when an entire fake conservative ideology is born of a disregard for reason and logic, I guess anything is possible.

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:08 am

“so, you CAN’T help where you’re born, but you CAN help where you’re raised … ”

You can’t help where you are raised but at least you are aware of that place. Because I was lucky enough to be born and raised in Georgia, I would not consider it a good idea to run for president in Kenya.

Gale

April 30th, 2010
8:09 am

jt, The lack of citizenship access for illegals makes the idea of amnesty silly, IMO. They don’t care other than they are allowed to stay and access all the benefits of living here. At the same time, they don’t want to alter their culture or language. In time, their children or grandchildren will be grow into our culture. How often have we heard stories of a deported person who came here as a young child who knows nothing at all about “his” country. We need to focus on persons with citizenship intent and make that easier. Send the others home.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:09 am

Gee, I wonder why Jay has never done an analysis of the ignorance of many on the left.

I guess he does not have any interest in demonizing people that share his views, and as we all know, he has little role in this world beyond mindless demonization. I mean what else is he going to do? Have a respectful disagreement with folks and debate the merits of their argument? Nah. So much easier to smear them all with a broad stereotype. That’s what “tolerant” liberals do right?

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
8:09 am

sfd, you are on par with the birthers if you are still fighting that battle

I’m not fighting the battle, merely stating a fact (and it depends on how one defines the term “legitimate.”) GWB’s 2000 election was one of several in American history that deserves an asterisk next to it. I’d never claim that GWB should’ve somehow been removed from office once installed, simply that he got in on a series of Constitutional oddities (our electoral college system permitting someone with a minority of popular votes assuming office, which is another way of saying the system fails from time to time) and major assists from his brother, and from five out of nine Supreme Court justices.

And yes, his re-election in 2004, flawed as the process may have been, certainly stands as a legitimate one.

AmVet

April 30th, 2010
8:09 am

USinUK, is that similar to those BushCo sycophants who STILL believe Saddam Hussein orchestrated the 9/11 attacks on us?

You go to war with the armchair idiots you have…

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April 30th, 2010
8:10 am

You want to talk about psychotic, look what has been posted on an empty blog-

Well… situation normal… Scout (that’s his name today) is here spouting bible verses even though he is not without sin by any stretch, and regaling us with his stories about serving as a marine and then protecting the entire country single handedly under oath, and of course Andy the porch dog is yapping in the BG… something about being the Army for three long years, that’s an odd number to be enlisted BTW, I wonder what he got busted for… I do remember a story of Andy’s a while back, not the one where his Iraqi barber was crying, the one where he single handedly took on the entire Nicarauguan army on a bridge by himself…. Anyway, for two guys who proudly served in the world’s greatest brotherhood they sure do talk about themselves alot. Now my younger brother, who was grieviously wounded by an IED in Iraq, recovered and went on to greater things in the corp (despite his physical injuries) NEVER talks about himself. Every conversation about his service ends up being about his brothers… I guess that’s the diff between today’s corp and days gone by.

Funny how “brother” hasn’t clued in Stalker that the standard enlistment periods are 3 and 4 years active duty with a total of six including inactive or active reserve.

Maybe in it’s world the Army just………..keeps you?

Gale

April 30th, 2010
8:10 am

USinUK, but you are there legally, are you not? Ok, it is true that people have reasons to be here other than citizenship. But for them too, there is a legal means.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
8:11 am

So mike, since you’re in here hurling your usual insults it only seems fair to repeat a question that jewcowboy posed and you ducked–did you jump, or were you pushed, from the AJC?

danjonglee

April 30th, 2010
8:11 am

All those knuckle draggin T baggers made up of those violent old men and women…..so much to fear…

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:14 am

Jay Bookman said:

“I am both intolerant of the views of others and incapable of making an effective policy argument. That is why I spend my life ascribing ignorant stereotypes to any who dare disagree.This only contributes to the poisonous partisan atmosphere in this country, but I don’t care. I get paid and I get to shower those who disagree with me with ignorant stereotypes. My country and my local community are worse off for my efforts, but it is good for me.”

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:14 am

USinUK

I was just pointing out the fact that many “walk-ins” (illegals) have no interest in becoming citizens and the responsibilities that that entails.(paying taxes). I wouldn’t either.

Bob

April 30th, 2010
8:15 am

SFD, the founders created a great system, if you can do better, show us.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:15 am

jt – I think i’m missing something from your 8:08. could you expand on it? are you saying that, because you’re a life-long US citizen who has always lived there, you shouldn’t run for office in Kenya …

… you do realize that Obama only lived abroad between 67 (when he was 6) to 71 (age 10) … are you honestly saying that 4 years living abroad as a child makes him unqualified to be president???

wow … I’m sure a lot of army brats would be interested in that news …

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:15 am

Gale

Agreed.

Union

April 30th, 2010
8:16 am

Maybe he is from one of the 57 states he visited? :)

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April 30th, 2010
8:16 am

“kookman,” Reporter? “kookman?” That sounds suspiciously like a “rude insult.”

And I shall “laugh it off and not lower myself into the gutter from whence the smear arose,” as someone in these parts recently put it.

Too late, just sayin….

1) You just wrote an entire “news” paper column trying to paint legitimate political opposition as………um, kooks?

2) You carry around some odd beliefs yourself, there are archives to back that statement up, so, let’s see here, those who live in glass houses, right, kookman?

3) I ain’t no politician and am not constrained by the decorums of civility, let’s try to keep everything in context, shall we?

Jay

April 30th, 2010
8:17 am

Mike, among other problems, your post ignores the fact that I wrote repeatedly in criticism of Cynthia McKinney for her “Bush knew about 9/11 baloney” and also rejected the nonsense from some on the left about the whole Diebold electronic voting conspiracy.

Someone other than a mindless partisan might not have overlooked those columns and editorials; someone other than a mindless partisan might acknowledge having been wrong to make such false claims.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
8:18 am

no … the stat (even cited by right-leaning Rasmussen) is that 35% of Dems belive that Bush KNEW about 9/11 … not that Bush was behind it

You don’t really expect people on the other side to get the difference between MIHOP and LIHOP, do you?

(I don’t belong to either group, myself; I actually like to take a bit of credit for early coinage of the term “Birther” simply because I liked how it disparaged such folks in the same legitimate way that the term “Truther” did for the whackjobs who really think the New World Order under Bush destroyed the WTC, and I started using it early and often. For the record.)

really gotta go produce. Later, kids.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:18 am

Gale – “But for them too, there is a legal means”

for the record, I am ARDENTLY against illegal immigration – just so there are no questions as to my position.

the point was as a reminder that 1) not all immigrants are illegal immigrants … and 2) not all legal immigrants want to be citizens – they may be there for work or because of marriage.

if the citizenship comment was ONLY about illegal immigrants, then I apologize for misreading

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:18 am

stands for decibels –

Sorry that I missed jewcowboy’s question to me. I usually come by for a few minutes and make a few comments, as I have a life (unlike jewcowboy who lives here.)

I have never been “pushed” from a job. I left the AJC because they wanted me to continue a policy that was rooted in data that they knew to be incorrect. It was costing employees money, but they did not care.

Jay

April 30th, 2010
8:19 am

And Reporter, we are very well aware that you do not feel “constrained by the decorums of civility.” (quote fixed).

Very aware indeed, sir.

Minister James

April 30th, 2010
8:20 am

In earlier days Tea Partiers had another name in public; K K K.

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
8:22 am

“the founders created a great system, if you can do better, show us”

There’s nothing wrong with the system in place…it’s how it’s used that’s the problem. If states (and it IS up to the states) allocated the Electoral votes in proportion to the actual votes, instead of “winner take all”…then the Electoral College would reflect the votes of the citizens.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:22 am

Jay –

“Mike, among other problems, your post ignores the fact that I wrote repeatedly in criticism of Cynthia McKinney for her “Bush knew about 9/11 baloney” and also rejected the nonsense from some on the left about the whole Diebold electronic voting conspiracy.”

Among other problems, your reading comprehension is as poor as your writing. My point was that you use polls like this to cast broad stereotypes on people who don’t share your narrow minded view. Sorry, but not having the gall to ignore McKinney;s insane comments does not equate to your ceaseless smearing of conservatives as a whole. So, your point is incorrect.

Keep on demonizing people who don’t share your views Jay. You demonstrate your “tolerance” every day.

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April 30th, 2010
8:23 am

But yet you, kookman, would never consciously insult your political opposites, why, of course not.

You ain’t on no moral high ground here, just sayin….

Union

April 30th, 2010
8:23 am

Minister James
April 30th, 2010
8:20 am

In earlier days Tea Partiers had another name in public; K K K.

woo hoo.. I was thinking we would at least get to 100 comments before that came out..

TM

April 30th, 2010
8:24 am

It should read while 59% of the tea party are not sure where he was born; 44% of ALL Americans are not sure where he was born. This latter percentage is the one that should cause more concern. It is pretty bad state of affairs to be the president of a country where more than 40 percent of the population are not sure where you were born.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:25 am

Wow, Jay is such a non-partisan. I mean he even criticized Cynthia McKinney! What a study in intellectual honesty! LOL

Independent

April 30th, 2010
8:25 am

These posts are just so cute, reminds me of grade school. I guess many folks just refuse to mature into adults. How terribly sad. It’s a lot easier to disparage someone than it is to accept them. Have fun children; my 12 year old daughter has a brighter future ahead of her than I ever imagined knowing that those older in age are 6 years younger in maturity. While you folks continue looking down upon others from your elevated perches of perfection, life slowly passes you by given the isolation and personal prison you’ve built for yourselves.

DOGGONE/STUPID

April 30th, 2010
8:25 am

Seems the city of Atlanta and their contractors at the Airport may want to start checking employee documentation. Hiring undocumented workers is illegal and unethical with all the U.S. citizens looking for work. Of course the city passes on the responsiblity for substanciating it’s workers as the contractors responsibility. Well, I beg to differ, I have filled out all the city watch dog forms and had city Reps visit sites and verifing that minority were in fact doing the work contracted.

I just wander if a Liberal will stand up and denounce the City for their illegal and unethical practices.

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
8:26 am

“where more than 40 percent of the population are not sure where you were born”

I don’t see that as a problem for Obama. He can’t help what other people think. Me? I think it’s a huge problem to live in a country where 44% of the population believes a myth in the face of proof that the myth is a lie.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:28 am

good grief … insulting the host of a blog??? I’m sure Debretts would have something to say about that … talk about rude.

if you don’t like the blog or the writer, then disperse and find another home … staying here just to fling poo says more about you than it ever could about Jay.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:28 am

Independent –

“While you folks continue looking down upon others from your elevated perches of perfection, life slowly passes you by given the isolation and personal prison you’ve built for yourselves.”

Thanks for the fine example of hypocrisy. You start your post off sniffing at those who hurl insults. Then you hurl insults.

If you think hurling insults is wrong, don’t do it. Otherwise you look like a silly hypocrite.

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:28 am

USinUK- From wikilinks————–

“Reflecting later on his formative years in Honolulu, Obama wrote: “The opportunity that Hawaii offered—to experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respect—became an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear.”[22] Obama has also written and talked about using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine during his teenage years to “push questions of who I was out of my mind.”[23] At the 2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency, Obama identified his high-school drug use as his “greatest moral failure.”[24]”

All I’m saying is that the same time period in one’s life that Obama was chemically altering his self and doing different cultures in a farflung Island chain, Sir Ronald Reagan was working as a life-guard, chopping wood, and playing foot ball………………..in Iowa for god’s sake.

That’s a real American IMHO.

If Obama was in the continental states during this time, he would have stood a good chance of being incarcerated. I think he missed something.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:30 am

USinUK –

Well, thanks for that lesson in decorum. We all have so much to learn from your civil rhetoric. Lord knows that you would never insult anyone.

The hypocrisy on this blog is truly awe-inspiring. But then again, look whose blog it is.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:30 am

“I just wander if a Liberal will stand up and denounce the City for their illegal and unethical practices”

well, not that it means anything … but okay. the City is wrong for hiring illegals and should receive a federal fine for each employee hired, unless they can show a good faith effort to verify citizenship.

happy now?

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
8:30 am

“in a farflung Island ”

Did you have to stop yourself from typing “in a farflung LAND”?

Paul

April 30th, 2010
8:31 am

And it’s off to the races.

20-25 percent of a population will believe just about anything. FDR knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. Nixon was framed. Bush blew up the Twin Towers so he could go to war. Or that he intended war from the start. Obama’s a Muslim.

With Pres Obama, add to the mix that he is African-American, with a foreign-born father, early exposure to a US-minority religion. Then add in the trying economic times we’re in (social and economic upheaval tends to drive large groups of people to the seeming security of an earlier time, represented by conservative religious or political movements) and the level of ‘explanations’ to explain the confusion and uncertainty of the times grows.

Many myths have a kernel of truth. He’s a Muslim? Early childhood exposure. He’s Kenyan? Foreign father. Civilian national security force? Democratic proposals for a “Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies. Participants will include full-time members who work with communities to help them plan and prepare for emergency response as well as a cadre of volunteers who can be mobilized to help in a national disaster.”

Michelle Obama hates white people? Her Master’s thesis in which she wrote “Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.” (This was interpreted by many, not as a desire to help one group succeed, but as animosity towards another group).

Fairness Doctrine? Democratic leaders make statements about revisiting it… Obama’s a Democratic leader… therefore, Obama supports it.

So, if these stories are “are immune to refutation by evidence or logic. They operate instead as fairy tales and political folklore, and like traditional fairy tales and folklore their truth is not literal but metaphorical” then what’s to be done?

Continue the search for truth. Demonstrated actions that refute the assertions. It won’t go away, but perhaps that 25 percent can get knocked down a few notches.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:31 am

mike – “Lord knows that you would never insult anyone”

not the host of the blog, no I wouldn’t.

if I didn’t like him/her, I wouldn’t malinger around at all – much less as frequently as you do.

Jay

April 30th, 2010
8:31 am

So Mike, when someone posted here as “Mike” claiming:

‘I wonder why Jay has never done an analysis of the ignorance of many on the left. I guess he does not have any interest in demonizing people that share his views, and as we all know, he has little role in this world beyond mindless demonization.”

And

“Contrast this with the 38% of Democrats who think that Bush was behind 9/11. In that case the question is unambiguous. But hey, Jay doesn’t care about any of that crap”

… that wasn’t you?

If so, I’ll have to get right on that. Somebody here has namejacked you, sir.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:32 am

“for the record, I am ARDENTLY against illegal immigration – just so there are no questions as to my position.”

Racist.

Matilda

April 30th, 2010
8:32 am

“Keep on demonizing people who don’t share your views Jay.”

The truth occurs independently of how you feel about it, Sparky. Bless your heart!!!

NICE PIECE MR. BOOKMAN!! Excellent breakdown of the mental state of those who can’t handle the truth.

TaxPayer

April 30th, 2010
8:33 am

I have never been “pushed” from a job. I left the AJC because they wanted me to continue a policy that was rooted in data that they knew to be incorrect. It was costing employees money, but they did not care.

Make your case, mike.

stands for decibels

April 30th, 2010
8:34 am

one other thing:

mike, thank you for the courtesy of a reply @ 8.18; I apologize for my earlier insinuations that you were ducking a question from jcb.

jt

April 30th, 2010
8:34 am

And in closing,

myths ALWAYS outlive the truth.

Its weird that way.

Lee

April 30th, 2010
8:34 am

Most times, I read through these comments and think “Wow, most of these idiots vote.”

Explains a lot.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:34 am

Jay – Yes, that was me.

Have you done such an analysis? Have you written about the polls that show how many Democrats are truthers?

What is your point? Some nonsense about “name-jacking”? How about actually addressing the point I was making. I know you prefer broad smears to debate, but I think you can do it.

Union

April 30th, 2010
8:35 am

So.. when Obama made the comment about his Islamic faith.. he was wrong? sigh.. I thought we were supposed to believe what the man was saying

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:35 am

Taxpayer –

“Make your case, mike.”

Please. As if I have anything to explain to you and and as if you are capable of understanding.

Minister James

April 30th, 2010
8:36 am

jt;..TYPICAL ___ ____(fill in the blanks)

Paul

April 30th, 2010
8:36 am

Add to the list of myths that Pres Bush was not legitimately elected. Controversy does not equal illegitimate.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:37 am

Matilda –

You need to use more caps and more exclamation points. It presents a sheen of content to your vapid and meaningless post.

Outhouse GoKart

April 30th, 2010
8:37 am

Kenya, Hawaii or Somalia…it matters not. Barry has stated he wants limit individual income. Tell us Barry…when is enough enough.

TaxPayer

April 30th, 2010
8:38 am

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:35 am
Taxpayer –

“Make your case, mike.”

Please. As if I have anything to explain to you and and as if you are capable of understanding.

Now THAT’s the mike that I’ve come to know and love so well. hehehe

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:39 am

jt – “Sir Ronald Reagan was working as a life-guard, chopping wood, and playing foot ball”

:lol:

okay. so. do. please tell us – which states do the Americans come from? and which should require a passport??

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:40 am

Here is the half of the story that Jay chooses to ignore:

“Fully 35 percent of Democrats believe George W. Bush had advance knowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Fully 28 percent of Republicans believe Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States”

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/14/truther-denial/

Which belief is more extreme?

Tea with nuts, please

April 30th, 2010
8:40 am

Obama was the Havana candidate, a plant raised and groomed by the Castro brothers.

AmVet

April 30th, 2010
8:40 am

USinUK at 8:28.

It is hysterical. I believe virtually nothing from the one trick, exceptionally boring, “mindful non-partisan”.

From the moment he showed up here he insulted everybody ON THE LEFT ONLY in machine gun like fashion.

Even the host.

He is as transparent as his “arguments” are weak…

TaxPayer

April 30th, 2010
8:41 am

I have never been “pushed” from a job. I left the AJC because they wanted me to continue a policy that was rooted in data that they knew to be incorrect. It was costing employees money, but they did not care.

Make your case, mike. What’s wrong. You made some bold claims there against your former employer and I need to know whether or not to hold this against the AJC or against an angry ex-employee. I mean, we’re talking integrity here — yours versus the AJC.

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:41 am

TaxPayer –

Admit it. You miss me ;)

Doggone/GA

April 30th, 2010
8:42 am

“myths ALWAYS outlive the truth.”

Not all myths are lies, though

mike

April 30th, 2010
8:43 am

TaxPayer –

Nothing bold about. It was a bureaucratic issue that took place twelve years ago. I am not alleging a crime. I am alleging a bureaucracy that makes bad decisions on occasion. My overall experience with the AJC was really quite good.

My gripe with Jay and the AJC is little different than my gripe with the NYT and their pundits. I would still be as irritated with Jay and the AJC if I had not worked there.

USinUK

April 30th, 2010
8:45 am

AmVet – 8:40 – more evidence of “when all you got is nuttin’, you fling poo”

Jay

April 30th, 2010
8:45 am

On that point, and that point alone, I believe Mike.

Union

April 30th, 2010
8:45 am

USinUK
April 30th, 2010
8:39 am

okay. so. do. please tell us – which states do the Americans come from? and which should require a passport??

Maybe the other 5 states obama visited that none of us have ever heard of?