Wind shifts, scale of oil spill multiplied in Gulf tragedy

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The tragedy that modern technology had guaranteed could never happen again is taking a turn for the worse.  Estimates of oil leaking from the Deepwater Horizon rig in the Gulf of Mexico have risen from 1,000 barrels a day to 5,000 barrels a day, with some indications that the flow may even be much greater. It may takes months to seal the rig, meaning the total spill could easily exceed the total released in the infamous Exxon Valdez incident.

The weather, which had been keeping the growing slick offshore, is reversing course as well.

Here’s the latest update from NOAA, posted just last night:

– Winds are forecast to become strong (20+ kts) and blow from the southeast starting tomorrow and continuing through the weekend, which will continue to push surface oil towards shore
– NOAA oil-spill trajectory analyses indicate that oil continues to move towards shore.
– 100,000’ of oil-containment booms (or floating barriers) have been deployed as a precaution to protect sensitive areas in the Louisiana area.
– The effects of oil on sensitive habitats and shorelines in four states (LA, MS, AL, and FL) are being evaluated should oil from the incident make landfall in appreciable quantities
– NOAA’s Assessment and Restoration Division is evaluating concerns about potential injuries of oil and dispersants to fishes, human use of fisheries, marine mammals, turtles, and sensitive resources.

And inevitably, it seems, there’s the “for want a nail” angle. Most of you may remember, at least vaguely, the old sing-song reminder. It goes like this:

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

Well, here’s the same song, rewritten for this occasion by the Wall Street Journal:

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn’t have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, hired by oil giant BP PLC, last week…

U.S. regulators don’t mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon didn’t have one. With a remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.

The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blowouts are rare, and it remained unclear Wednesday evening whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic switch, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort.

Nevertheless, regulators in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil, in effect require them. Norway has had acoustic triggers on almost every offshore rig since 1993.

The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn’t needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well….

An acoustic trigger costs about $500,000, industry officials said. The Deepwater Horizon had a replacement cost of about $560 million, and BP says it is spending $6 million a day to battle the oil spill. On Wednesday, crews set fire to part of the oil spill in an attempt to limit environmental damage.

UPDATE: Here’s the latest NOAA map depicting both the size and location of the spill. It certainly looks ominous.

noaa spill map

217 comments Add your comment

ME, Me, me

April 29th, 2010
9:04 am

Paul

April 29th, 2010
9:06 am

Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

But… they’re in it to maximize profits for their shareholders. Regulators are in it to look out for our interests. Which they will do, if given the authority.

off topic this early, but a note will suffice: Jay – how went the presentation? When Lucko got his award, did Ralston also get a Golden Garterbelt?

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:08 am

Just as soon as President Obama said, “OK, let’s drill”, this rig catches fire, sinks and starts spewing oil…Hhhmmm…Where was Cheney while this was going on?

Scout

April 29th, 2010
9:08 am

It goes with the territory and it will get cleaned up. What are you going to do to stop those volcanos and earthquakes ?

BTW: The wonderful world of Islam ……….

Headline: “Women With Suntans Will Be Arrested, Iran Police Chief Warns”

I wonder when N.O.W. is going over to demonstrate?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 29th, 2010
9:15 am

Well, picky, picky, picky. So the spill is alot bigger than they thought. And so they didn’t use a shut-off valve. So what? Instead of needing to pump the oil, it’s right there on the water, just waiting to be picked up. We need alot more wells like that. Instead of paying thru the nose to get the oil from overseas, we can just send our ships out and scoop it up right there.

Drill, baby, drill! I can’t hardly wait till the oil is right there on all the beaches. Heck, some of us could go and scoop it up and sell it to the oil cos. I figure about 4 bucks per gallon would be about right. Revenge is sweet.

Have a good day everybody.

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
9:17 am

“U.S. regulators don’t mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon didn’t have one.”

but … but … but … the free market sez that companies will ALWAYS do what’s right, Jay!!

Jackie

April 29th, 2010
9:18 am

Is this an example of the law of unintended consequences?
One would have to ask what happens if the same accident were to occur to a rig that is located off the East coast in the powerful Gulf Stream?

mike

April 29th, 2010
9:20 am

LOL. No surprise that Convert puts forth his silly list of straw men instead of actually responding to the arguments made by the right. Nobody ever confused small minded bigots with great (or competent) thinkers.

Keep on applying ignorant stereotypes to people who don’t share your narrow minded views. That’s what “tolerant” and “intellectual” folks do, right?

professional skeptic

April 29th, 2010
9:21 am

For want of an adequate disaster containment and recovery plan…

More regulation, please!

getalife

April 29th, 2010
9:23 am

Spill, baby, spill.

Come on down and clean up your mess cons.

professional skeptic

April 29th, 2010
9:24 am

What’s the response from all the Republican governors whose coasts are about to beocome the stuff of a Frontline documentary…

Less gubmint oversight? Less regulation?

professional skeptic

April 29th, 2010
9:27 am

Hey Convert… another upside to this: Maybe the oil will kill off all them pesky mussels off the Florida coast, so we won’t have to share Lake Lanier’s water with them anymore.

Mike "Hussein" Smith

April 29th, 2010
9:27 am

That’s a good one, Norm. You’ve moved Cheney toward the top of my suspect list.
Scout, I guess God will take care of BP’s money-grubbing in his own sweet time, but that area of the Gulf already suffers ‘dead zones’ and this is likely to spread that disaster. Here’s what USA Today reported in 2007 — at the time, 18 years after the fact — about the Exxon Valdez. By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
“ANCHORAGE — Oil from the massive Exxon Valdez spill, which coated 1,200 miles of Alaskan coast when the tanker ran aground in March 1989, continues to threaten the damaged ecosystem there long after experts believed it would dissipate.” So much for nonchalance.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....

April 29th, 2010
9:31 am

Blah, blah, blah, no mention of the burn efforts by the Coast Guard makes for an extremely biased blog topic, so what’s new, just askin…..

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
9:32 am

um … because burning it means it’s not leaking anymore???

why, whiner, you simply boggle the mind with your … ummm … “logic” …

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:35 am

NUKE THE SLICK! Get yer bumper stickers here…

DOGGONE/STUPID

April 29th, 2010
9:36 am

We need a comprehensive reform for oil spills.

Elvis Costello

April 29th, 2010
9:37 am

Accidents will happen
We only hit and run
He used to be your victim
Now you’re not the only one

Accidents will happen
We only hit and run
I dont want to hear it
Cause I know what Ive done

professional skeptic

April 29th, 2010
9:37 am

Oh, so the Coast Guard is responsible for cleaning this up? If so, then this is yet another example of privatizing profits, publicizing the risk, and sticking the taxpayer with the bill for disasters.

Admittedly, I don’t know the full story here. Would the oil co’s involved have to reimburse the federal & state governments for assistance with clean up costs?

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:37 am

BRING BACK THE HORSE! Bumper stickers, I gots ‘em all…

Outhouse GoKart

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

If this were a fish oil or a cod liver oil spill I would venture to guess our pro tax progressives wouldnt be quite so “up in arms”.

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

A damn shame. Those lives lost and now this.

“The tragedy that modern technology had guaranteed could never happen again…”

GUARANTEED?

I’d be *exceptionally* interested in who exactly made this guarantee.

Accidents do happen in any great endeavor, but what is both typical and dismaying is the cavalier lip service by the irresponsible, ecology hating right wing. Birds and fish? Who gives a flying ____ about them? A clean ocean? A nice idea but rather quaint in the age of money trumps everything.

And comparing this man made disaster to volcanoes and earthquakes??? (Nothing to see here, move on.) Utter nonsense.

Too bad this forum hosted by a damn good man, and this gawdawful mess is the impetus for me posting this monster of a sweet song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd40N72hIM4

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

“BRING BACK THE HORSE!”

Normal…you DO know what the job of “street sweepers” was, don’t you?

Navin Johnson

April 29th, 2010
9:41 am

“These cans are defective.
He hates these cans
MOOOORRREE CANS!!!”

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
9:41 am

skeptic – 9:37 – well said … however, the fat lady isn’t even in costume, yet … forget about singing …

I’m sure that the Feds will pursue the owners of the rig for damages

thomas

April 29th, 2010
9:42 am

getalife

April 29th, 2010
9:23 am

Nice intellegent comment!

But when did president Obama become one of the CONS?

You have been keeping up with the news lately right? You do know his position on this? Hint: he ain’t against it, or maybe he’s just for the votes.

But nice to see you keeping things honest.

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:43 am

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

Eh, it’s a job….

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
9:43 am

“I’m sure that the Feds will pursue the owners of the rig for damages”

And if they do, it’ll be tied up in the courts for 20 years

Mick

April 29th, 2010
9:44 am

I guess there’s a lot of oil down there if that much is being spewed every day. You would think that these oil conglomerates would have some safety devices to back-up a failure or disaster.

FrankLeeDarling

April 29th, 2010
9:44 am

As a former resident of the gulf coast ,I find this depressing,this is exactly why the majority of Fla. residents, repub or dem are opposed to drilling off the Fla. coast.

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:44 am

FLY HINDENBERG! FLY METHANE! Bumper stickers R us…

Outhouse GoKart

April 29th, 2010
9:47 am

“The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn’t needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well….”

Another example of our Captiol hill representatives (Dems & Reps) behaving like jackasses. Perhaps assessing a huge fine on the members who approved the non-usage of this acoustic shutoff valve might be one route. Our own govt is guilty of environmental terrorism.

THROW THE BUMS OUT…ALL OF THEM!!

Keep up the good fight!

April 29th, 2010
9:48 am

Always great to see the consistency of the Repugs/Tea Party — drill baby drill….produce jobs. “It goes with the territory”….”simply business”….. except when it hits the coasts and puts fisheries and the fishing industry out of business, when tourism falls off because the beaches are closed, when government has to spend tax dollars cleaning up the mess, Oh and when these people lose their jobs, apparently because they are “lazy”, no “entitlements” for them. When their children become homeless, no assistant. “Trickle down” capitalism works to protect corporations but the “trickle down” effect from these corporate disasters are non-existent, right? There are noooo consequences. Smaller governments can do better against the Exxon’s and BP’s millions. No significant fines. Less regulations so that these companies can make more profit at the expense of others.

Yes, it is much more important that Exxon and BP not have to spend money on an “unproven” valve.

Outhouse GoKart

April 29th, 2010
9:49 am

Perhaps some of this oil could be saved and funneled to the illegal aliens as some sort of a hair tonic. We could tax it heavily and require its usage…a bit of payback for the free Hcare they are receiving.

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
9:51 am

President Carter and many, many, many others have tried to teach the ignorant fools to change their backasswards ways.

But no! We’re America dammit! And we do what we want and everybody and everything else be damned!

And just to prove it we’re gonna go out and buy a BIG BIG vehicle (probably to compensate for a tiny ____ and minds) and guzzle as much gas as we possibly can.

Sacrifice? Vision? Honor? Basic respect for the earth?

Nah…

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
9:52 am

OGK – “If this were a fish oil or a cod liver oil spill I would venture to guess our pro tax progressives wouldnt be quite so “up in arms”.”

if it were a cod liver oil spill, there’d be riots in the street over the resulting TP shortage …

Doggone – “And if they do, it’ll be tied up in the courts for 20 years” … only to have the fines reduced by Big Business’s BFF, the Supreme Court

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
9:54 am

Normal

April 29th, 2010
9:54 am

Let’s start making electricity by putting wind mills in Congress…

FrankLeeDarling

April 29th, 2010
9:54 am

wow Amvet I almost didn’t recognize Daryl without the big hair and shoulder pads,cool jam.

Gator Joe

April 29th, 2010
9:55 am

Jay:
How ironic that the Governors of the Gulf states which may be affected by this oil spill are all Republicans. First, they will scream for Federal Government assistance, and next they will call for increased regulation of the offshore oil and gas industry. Could this be the beginning of the end of “Drill Baby Drill”? I wonder how many “minor” leaks and spills this industry has covered up or hidden in the past?

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
9:58 am

“only to have the fines reduced by Big Business’s BFF, the Supreme Court”

That too

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
9:59 am

so far, isn’t Crist the only one who’s said ,”gee … maybe this isn’t such a hot idea after all” … or have I missed Haley Barbour, Jindal and the rest recanting …

Keep up the good fight!

April 29th, 2010
9:59 am

Normal….wouldn’t we get better results by composting what the Republicans put out daily?

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:02 am

The only thing Haley Barbour recants on is “gee, maybe I shouldn’t have had that second plate of BBQ”

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:03 am

Welcome to the Gulf’s world renowned black sands beaches. Come on down and stick around a while.

kayaker 71

April 29th, 2010
10:03 am

I’ve worked on several of these rigs before. They are a diaster waiting to happen, even the ones on land. The reason why experienced roughnecks make upwards of 100K/yr. Blowout preventers take up only some of the slack but it’s difficult to get a broken one to work when it’s 5k ft below the surface. This has the unfortunate possibility of being as being as big or bigger than Exon Valdez.

Disgusted

April 29th, 2010
10:05 am

No biggie. I’m sure that Outhouse, Dusty, and all the other “Drill, baby, drill” advocates will volunteer to take a few months off to help clean up this mess. After all, it’s certainly a freak. They’ve been telling us for months about how “modern technology” has made oil spills almost impossible.

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:05 am

BP is involved in this mess and they were involved in leaks up in Alaska as well. BP must be an acronym for “Burst Pipes”.

Byron Mathison Kerr

April 29th, 2010
10:08 am

The usual AJC blog idiots are really outdoing themselves on this topic — true colors for sure!

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:10 am

Not to worry, we have a socialist solution to the problem Blowin’ in the winds. We like to call it “Hurricane Season.” It helps to distribute such abundances to the masses in a very cost effective manner.

Chris

April 29th, 2010
10:11 am

Seeing what post Katrina did for gas prices, I can’t wait to pay $100 for each fill up. Not to mention what this is going to do to our coast lines and animal life.

Where’s BP during all of this?

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:13 am

keep up 9:48

[[Always great to see the consistency of the Repugs/Tea Party]]

40-50% of Tea Partiers are Independent or Democrats.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/04/51-of-tea-partiers-are-either.html

and

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/90541-survey-four-in-10-tea-party-members-dem-or-indie

I know, I know…. the survey’s flawed… or people lie… or they aren’t really Democrats or Independents… or… anything that challenges the stereotypes.

Gator Joe,

[[First, they will scream for Federal Government assistance, and next they will call for increased regulation of the offshore oil and gas industry.]]

Actually, it’s just the opposite. For some of the states, anyway.

———————————-

[[“only to have the fines reduced by Big Business’s BFF, the Supreme Court”]]

Only when the Court decides against the way one wants it to decide -

Morning, Bosch

Recovered from the ‘toon yet?

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:13 am

Is this going to make gas prices even higher? It is waaaaaay to close to $3 a gallon down here in Florida.

What you think it would do to my car to put some of the leaked oil in it?

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:14 am

So…. has Pres Obama reversed himself on offshore drilling (again) yet?

Then there’s that pesky nuke power issue…..

Jay

April 29th, 2010
10:15 am

I just updated the post with NOAA’s latest map depicting the location and size of the spill. It is not a pretty picture.

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:16 am

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:14 am

Why obviously he has Paul,

Go look through the comments, this Oil spill is the fault of the republicans and the republicans only! No democrat has or ever WOULD be in favor of any type of drilling for oil.

Its only the conns or conned fault.

Geez keep up!

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:18 am

blah blah blah free market. blah blah blah no need for regulation. blah blah blah free market will determine safety precautions. blah blah blah disband OSHA. blah blah blah small government blah blah blah not the governments duty to regulate business. blah blah blah too much regulation sends jobs over seas. blah blah blah tax cuts for corporations so they can afford to stay here. blah blah blah Ayn Rand. blah blah blah drill baby drill. blah blah blah do away with U.S. Minerals Management Service. blah blah blah waste of taxpayer’s money.

USinUK

April 29th, 2010
10:19 am

Chris – 10:11 – that had more to do with refineries shutting down than low supply of crude.

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
10:20 am

“The usual AJC blog idiots ”

Welcome BMK! Looks like you’ll fit right in.

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:20 am

thomas

But it’s DIFFICULT to keep up without a program!

Seriously, this illustrates that although the chance of an accident may be low, when it does happen, it’s a whopper with a huge impact.

So, it the answer to shut down gulf rigs? Or to press on with not changes and chalk this up to the cost of doing business? Or to press on, with retrofits of remote shutoffs and other technologies and increase regulatory oversight to further reduce chances of recurrence?

I vote for the latter.

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:21 am

The answer my friends is Pedal Power. Hey! Did you think I was gonna say that the answer was blowing in the wind. Nah! That’s Dylan’s message. Pedal Power is the message that I’m peddling. It has mass appeal. Something for Democrats and Republicans. Democrats love it because it provides a heart healthy, calorie burning multi-faceted solution to so many problems at one time. Republicans love it because it reminds them of Reagan and his trickle down philosophy.

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:22 am

G’morning, jewcowboy!

Feeling a bit blah today?

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:23 am

I just updated the post with NOAA’s latest map depicting the location and size of the spill. It is not a pretty picture.

Not to worry. I’ve forwarded a copy to Shawn Hannity. He’ll have it lookin’ good in no time.

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:26 am

Hi ya’ Paul! I’ve got a couple more hypnosis sessions and I should be back to normal. :-) Snort.

Did they ever find those missing oil workers?

Byron Mathison Kerr

April 29th, 2010
10:26 am

To Doggone/GA @ 10:20 am:

The bit dog hollers.

Disgusted

April 29th, 2010
10:27 am

Republicans love it because it reminds them of Reagan and his trickle downon philosophy.

FYT.

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:27 am

jewcowboy @ 10:18 –

Yeah, that’s about how I hear it. Kind of like the grown ups in the Charlie Brown cartoons.

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
10:27 am

“The bit dog hollers”

See? Right at home.

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:28 am

Bosch

I don’t think so. Poor guys, poor families. No recovery of remains makes closure really difficult for some.

kayaker 71

April 29th, 2010
10:28 am

The Dept of Energy, with it’s 32B/yr budget established long ago as the answer to our energy dependence has been a complete bust, whether or not run by Repubs or Demos. As long as our gluttonous appetite for oil persists, we risk the danger of these catastrophic events to our environment. We have enough natural gas in this country to run all of the domestic vehicles for another 100yrs. Pickens’s plan for windpower and the use of natural gas for transportation would cost the taxpayer hundreds of Billions of dollars. How’s that for a stimulus that has more of a possibility of working than the one we are struggling under now?

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

Paul,

“Then there’s that pesky nuke power issue…..”

Point/Counter-point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7S_XWuKpHc

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

Paul,

“No recovery of remains makes closure really difficult for some.”

And probably no life insurance.

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

jewcowboy,

Wow! That must be the Rosetta Stone for speaking Republican!

They have certainly mastered the art of talking a great dea,l but saying nothing of consequence…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyQETQA9inY

Normal

April 29th, 2010
10:31 am

Bosch,

back to normal? What’s that supposed to mean? Back to normal? I am Normal! I am, I am, I am…just ask my shrink!

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:33 am

Paul,

I agree in theory with what you said. I do feel safety regulations are in order. However my experience with government ordered regulation usually leads to their being chosen winners and losers. That is not right either.

If the government must get involved I would be one to propose more incentives for new design and safer rig development. To do this the country would need to pool our best and smartest from the sciences. Have monetary incentives to create competition and innovation, with the goal being innovative, productive, less intrusive and SAFE oil rigs.

Unless we stop driving our cars (which ain’t gonna happen) then we will need oil to power them. Cause I do not see us giving up driving until the replacement for oil as an energy source has been discovered and can be obtained for as little cost as oil.

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:35 am

kayaker 71,

“As long as our gluttonous appetite for oil persists, we risk the danger of these catastrophic events to our environment. ”

Thank goodness this administration is doing things to ween us off oil:

Wind:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1475ef3a-5327-11df-813e-00144feab49a.html

and Pedals:
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/transportation-department-embraces-bikes-and-business-groups-cry-foul/

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:35 am

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

Not that it is going to be ENOUGH, but one would assume that since they did suffer the accident while working, different types of Workers Comp. would pay for some of the benefits.

NOT ENOUGH, but some.

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
10:36 am

“Cause I do not see us giving up driving until the replacement for oil as an energy source has been discovered and can be obtained for as little cost as oil.”

This doesn’t quite mesh up. A new source of oil will not make us “give up” driving…it will make it able to continue, just with a new energy source. Personally, I’ve got my eye on those compressed air-powered cars in France.

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:37 am

Normal,

It’s all relative. :-)

retiredds

April 29th, 2010
10:37 am

I have this picture in my mind of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Dick Cheney, et. al. on a boat with mops cleaning up the mess they claimed could not happen. Under the picture is the caption, “drill baby drill”.

TaxPayer

April 29th, 2010
10:37 am

If the government must get involved I would be one to propose more incentives for new design and safer rig development

This calls for a tax break.

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:38 am

Bosch,

Here is something for your hypnosis sessions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9PZizBDBZw

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:39 am

thomas,

Some is not good enough. If those families do not receive full death benefits, then the insurance companies should burn in hell – at least, the way I see it, but then again, I don’t believe in hell – oh hell! Well, they’ll have really, really bad karma.

Paul

April 29th, 2010
10:40 am

Why, jewcowboy, you miserable slut!

:-)

Bosch

I rather think that, given the circumstances, the insurance companies’ll pay. Can you imagine the public outcry if it came out they wouldn’t?

thomas

[[more incentives for new design and safer rig development.]]

That’s an interesting idea. Rather like what the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) does – provides seed or research money and/or announces a broad goal, then lets private industry submit their ideas – with the winner likely getting a big contract.

‘course, the other option for an operation that isn’t governmental (as is the case with Defense) is to make the penalties for an ‘accident’ so bloody expensive (fines) that the green eyeshade and ‘profits = bonus’ crowd thinks it’s a slam-dunk decision.

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:40 am

jewcowboy,

Holy crap! That was cool!

Normal

April 29th, 2010
10:40 am

for the long run…
Mandate using synthetic oils as lubricants and save fossil oil for fuel until technology takes up the slack with alternatives.

But for now mandate that all rigs be retro fitted with a safety valve.

Why is it that profit always seems to overcome common sense?

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:41 am

thomas,

“If the government must get involved I would be one to propose more incentives for new design and safer rig development. ”

The incentive is called profit…

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:42 am

Paul,

“I rather think that, given the circumstances, the insurance companies’ll pay. Can you imagine the public outcry if it came out they wouldn’t?”

Let’s hope so, but then again, there were the folks after Katrina who didn’t get their insurance because their houses were destroyed by wind instead of water or some such nonsense. Insurance companies hire minions of Satan to keep them from paying.

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:42 am

Actually No,

I was more getting at scientist, which would be recieving research and development grants. Production and results would be directly tied to future grants recieved. There was a time when Americans used Science to solve problems and allowed our intellegence to fuel the fastes and greates economic expansion the world has ever known.

Lets use our minds and hard work to “fuel” another economic boom.

But if you consider a grant as a tax break then I guess tax breaks will be in order.

Is PELL grant a tax break too?

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
10:42 am

This wouldn’t have happened if we had been allowed to drill in ANWR!

The only silver lining I can imagine to come out of this clusterf&ck is that perhaps this will FINALLY awaken the McCarthyites to the fact that doing the Jethro Tull (Living in the Past) comes at one helluva price.

Yeah, I know, who the hell am I kidding…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoy91sYdQPE

Doggone/GA

April 29th, 2010
10:42 am

“course, the other option for an operation that isn’t governmental (as is the case with Defense) is to make the penalties for an ‘accident’ so bloody expensive (fines) that the green eyeshade and ‘profits = bonus’ crowd thinks it’s a slam-dunk decision”

See my comment above about being in court for 20 years

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:43 am

Normal,

“Why is it that profit always seems to overcome common sense?”

Duh! Because common sense doesn’t buy vacation homes in Europe and big ass diamonds for their wives (and girlfriends – and boyfriends) and such.

Kamchak

April 29th, 2010
10:43 am

Can you imagine the public outcry if it came out they wouldn’t?

Yeah, because insurance companies were so shamed by stories during the health care debate. :roll:

BP Damage Control

April 29th, 2010
10:43 am

It’s a small leak when you compare it to the amount of oil that seeps out from between the cracks and crevices… over the entire planet for the last thousand years. Trust me. This is nothing. Inconsequential. Trivial. A drop in the bucket.

thomas

April 29th, 2010
10:44 am

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:39 am

I would think they will pay in full. But is full pay really what is owed to these families. Money can’t buy life.

But they will pay to make sure the families don’t say……………….
Anything that is.

AmVet

April 29th, 2010
10:44 am

“I rather think that, given the circumstances, the insurance companies’ll pay.”

Paul, don’t you know anything?

Corporations don’t pay for insurance!

They simply pass the costs onto you and me. (sarc on those who say the same about taxes…)

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:45 am

I think I saw one a horseman, I actually agree with Scalia:

“Declaring that the rough-and-tumble of democracy is not for the faint-hearted, what Scalia referred to as the “touchy, feely” sensitivity of some political activists, the Justice said “you can’t run a democracy” with political activity behind a First Amendment shroud. “You are asking us to enter into a whole new field,” Scalia told James Bopp Jr., the lawyer for Washington State signers of an anti-gay rights petition. Politics, the Justice went on, “takes a certain amount of civic courage. The First Amendment does not protect you from civic discourse — or even from nasty phone calls.”

Bosch

April 29th, 2010
10:46 am

thomas,

“But is full pay really what is owed to these families.”

Yes.

@@

April 29th, 2010
10:46 am

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Federal regulators did not need this week’s explosion aboard a state-of-the-art rig to know the offshore drilling industry needed new safety rules: Dozens of deaths and hundreds of injuries over the last several years had already convinced them that changes were needed.

The U.S. Minerals and Management Service is developing regulations aimed at preventing human error, which it identified as a factor in many of the more than 1,400 offshore oil drilling accidents between 2001 and 2007.

Maybe a little health care for the environment given the more obvious risks. What say you, Mr. President?

Opponents of President Barack Obama’s plan for more offshore drilling, particularly off the East Coast, say the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon should be taken as a warning to slow the fervor to “drill, baby drill.”

“I would hope it would serve as another wake-up call on this issue that there is no such thing as safe oil drilling,” said Sara Wan, a member of the California Coastal Commission, a state regulatory agency. “Once that oil starts leaking in the ocean, that damage is irreversible. You just look at what happened with Exxon-Valdez — they’re still feeling the effects of it. There’s no real way to clean it up.”

Obama showed no sign of budging Friday. Spokesman Robert Gibbs said the president still believes increasing domestic oil production can be done safely, securely and without harming the environment.

“I don’t honestly think it opens up a whole new series of questions, because, you know, in all honesty I doubt this is the first accident that has happened and I doubt it will be the last,” Gibbs said.

Oh, really….this administration is in the pocket of BIG OIL!

Last I heard Goldman Sachs was the biggest trader of energy derivatives.

The environmental impact is bad enough. After that comes the human impact, impact on the fishing industry, and the economic impact on us all.

My best wishes go out to all involved….my heart-felt condolences to the families who lost loved ones.

What a mess.

jewcowboy

April 29th, 2010
10:47 am

Paul,

“Why, jewcowboy, you miserable slut!”

Or am I a “slore”?

http://dlisted.com/node/37057