No racial profiling in Arizona. Or Georgia either.

UPDATE: As my colleague Jim Galloway reports, former U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, now a leading GOP candidate for governor of Georgia, says that if elected he would try to enact a law here very similar to that passed in Arizona.

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Karl Rove, speaking in a Florida retirement community as part of his book tour, expressed regret at Arizona’s passage of a harsh new immigration policy, but said he doubted it would lead to racial profiling.

“These are modern police forces that respect the rights of people in their communities,” Rove said. “They’re going to do it on the basis of reasonable suspicion that these people are here illegally, like they’re driving a car with a Mexican license plate or they can’t speak English or they don’t have a drivers license.”

That’s such a nice thought. On the other hand, there’s this:

Last week, an Arizona truck driver pulled into a commercial truck weighing station in Phoenix, as required by law. He produced a valid commercial truck license, as also required by law. But he was arrested by Immigration and Custom Enforcement officers, handcuffed, transported to ICE headquarters and held there until his wife could bring a birth certificate documenting that the man was a U.S. citizen and in fact had been born in this country.

“It’s still something awful to be targeted,” his wife told 3TV, a Phoenix TV station. “I can’t even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.”

As 3TV reports:

Jackie says, “It doesn’t feel like it’s a good way of life, to live with fear, even though we are okay, we are legal…still have to carry documents around.”

A representative at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) returned 3TV’s calls after researching the incident and she said this was standard operating procedure.

The agents needed to verify Abdon was in the country legally and it is not uncommon to ask for someone’s birth certificate. She also said this has nothing to do with the proposed bill or racial profiling.

Nothing to do with profiling. No sir. Nothing at all. I’m sure the ICE officers thought that the native-born American in question might be … what, Canadian?

344 comments Add your comment

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
8:23 am

ty webb

April 28th, 2010
8:25 am

ah yes…Jay’s more than just a cheerleader, he also reads minds.

PinkoNeoConLibertarian

April 28th, 2010
8:28 am

Papiere! Jetzt!

Scooter

April 28th, 2010
8:32 am

Good morn all!

Cherry picking this morn Jay? Nice day for it.

FinnMcCool

April 28th, 2010
8:34 am

This allows everyone a glimpse of what was on the minds of southern white people around the time the civil rights movement was getting its legs. The rationalizations, the lies, the broad generalizations.

Isn’t 1/3rd of the population of AZ of Hispanic descent? Elections will be lost over this attempt to rename Hispanics as vandals, villains, kidnappers, etc.

LeeH1

April 28th, 2010
8:35 am

Tell the ICE officers that you are Cherokee. Then ask them if they have a visa to be in your country.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 28th, 2010
8:38 am

I’m vacationing to AZ.

Why is it only the people Bit$hing, all live outside of AZ?

Rev. Al, Comrade Cindy Tucker, Jay…November is a coming.

Even most of the Latino CITIZENS in AZ. support the bill.

What about the AZ. rancher killed by the mexican drug cartel?

I don’t remember any outrage from you then.

TGT

April 28th, 2010
8:39 am

As I pointed out on Wingfield’s blog yesterday:

Let me get this straight: The biggest problem that liberals have with the Ariz. law is that it encourages (or institutes) “racial profiling?” (As Tucker’s blog noted.)

Given that about 90% of illegal aliens are Hispanic (about 70% are Mexican) it would be asinine and irresponsible not to prefer to look at those individuals who appear to be Hispanic/Mexican (and have given the police reason enough to consider asking for their “papers”) when it comes to the crime of illegal immigration. It is the same way with terrorism. When it comes to airline security in this country, why in the world would you treat a 70-year-old black (or white) woman the same way you would a young Muslim man?! Again, such behavior is asinine (and deadly). We all saw what resulted from this type of political correctness with the Fort Hood shooter.

About 90% of serial killers are male (with about 70% of these being white males). Are we at all concerned about “racial profiling” or “sexual profiling” when it comes to catching serial killers? Of course not.

Stop with the faux outrage when it comes to every crime and racial profiling. In other words, it is not necessarily “racist” to racially profile.

FinnMcCool

April 28th, 2010
8:40 am

In 1863 African Americans became scapegoats and the target of the (NY Draft) rioters’ anger. Many immigrants and poor viewed freed slaves as competition for scarce jobs and African Americans as the reason why the civil war was being fought.

The idea was that the North was trying to free the slaves and, if they won the war, the freed slaves would take all the jobs.

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
8:40 am

How about LEGAL aliens who have to carry their papers under the new law to PROVE they are here legally? Harass citizens much?

Wonder if he has to show his long form birth certificate?

FinnMcCool

April 28th, 2010
8:41 am

Why is it only the people Bit$hing, all live outside of AZ?

But I suppose you read the Arizona newspapers on a daily basis…

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
8:43 am

TGT….hmmm….Timothy McVeigh, the Hutaree….WHITE PEOPLE are domestic terrorists. STOP all white people and demand they be searched, detained and made to prove they are on legitimate business.

Oh they were Christian too….. Better stop all those going to church to be safe too!

Jay

April 28th, 2010
8:43 am

Good point, LeeH1. Arizona has a substantial Native American population. And given the shared ethnic background of Hispanic immigrants and Native Americans, you can bet that a lot of U.S.-born First People, as the Canadians call them, will be hauled in under this law.

NRB2

April 28th, 2010
8:44 am

Thanks for the info, Jay.

Nathan Deal now has my financial support and vote.

The Real McDeal, 1 billion served

April 28th, 2010
8:44 am

If elected, I promise to turn around our state’s illegal immigration problem and make it more profitable for everyone that is here legally. In fact, I expect my illegal immigrant work program to be so successful that we’ll be able to give every tax-paying, voting resident tax-free chicken every Friday. Now that’s a Real Deal.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
8:46 am

“What about the AZ. rancher killed by the mexican drug cartel? I don’t remember any outrage from you then.”

ohgoodgod.

so, now, we’re supposed to rend our clothing over each and every murder in the US, otherwise we might not be allowed to discuss tangential legislation.

:roll:

NRB2

April 28th, 2010
8:47 am

What about the AZ. rancher killed by the mexican drug cartel?

I don’t remember any outrage from you then.
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You’ll never hear outrage on the left about these acts.

The rancher was white, plus he had money and was a property owner.

Those are the top three things that Democrats hate with a seething passion. They do cartwheels when they hear about things like that.

david wayne osedach

April 28th, 2010
8:47 am

The vast majority of the illegal immigrants are here to stay. Make a path for them to be here legally.

ty webb

April 28th, 2010
8:48 am

keep up the good fight,
Timothy Mcveigh was pulled over and detained.

MAC

April 28th, 2010
8:48 am

Much like the media tea party coverage, you focus on the outlier not the norm.

If a few people get hassled unneccessarily for the greater good, so be it. People get stopped and made to take breathalyzer tests (or go to jail) at DUI roadblocks if they appear suspicious for DUI. Some actually aren’t drunk. In the end, less people get killed by drunk drivers.

If you are an Arizona citizen, especially a Hispanic citizen, I would think it’s in your best interest to carry ID rather than whine about it later. .

Doggone/GA

April 28th, 2010
8:49 am

“You’ll never hear outrage on the left about these acts.”

Thousands of people are killed every year by cars. Where’s your outrage at that? BAN ALL CARS!!

The Real McDeal, 1 billion served

April 28th, 2010
8:49 am

You’ll never hear outrage on the left about these acts.

The rancher was white, plus he had money and was a property owner.

Those are the top three things that Democrats hate with a seething passion. They do cartwheels when they hear about things like that

I need more people like you. People that are Not Real Bright too.

Scooter

April 28th, 2010
8:50 am

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
8:40 am

I have never protested about anything but if I have to start carrying my birth certificate with me I might have to protest that. Whew!

Jay

April 28th, 2010
8:50 am

And in this case, MAC, the native-born American in question WAS carrying proper government documentation and STILL got handcuffed and tossed in a squad car and transported.

JohnnyReb

April 28th, 2010
8:51 am

Wolf, cry wolf! If I was a legal hispanic in AZ, I would carry the necessary papers on my person until law enforcement clears out the illegals and the challenges subside. Inconvenience to legals is a small price to pay compared to history’s sacrifices. Illegals have no citizenship rights, so bleeding-hearts should stop the rhetoric as if they do.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
8:52 am

“Those are the top three things that Democrats hate with a seething passion. They do cartwheels when they hear about things like that.”

nope. not anymore … strained my back a coupla years ago, so now I just do an interpretive dance to HYPERBOLIC IDIOTS.

CREW FAIR & BALANCED

April 28th, 2010
8:52 am

15 most corrupt Congressmen,

**Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA)**
•Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
•Sen. Roland Burris (D-IL)
•Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
•Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)
•Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)
•Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
•Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
•Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)
•Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)
•Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)
•Rep. Laura Richardson (D-CA)
•Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-IN)
•Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
•Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
8:53 am

I’m thinking Swedish, certainly. Oh, and Jay — tell Luckovich I’m sending him my therapist’s bill for that cartoon he drew today. There are just some things that do not need to be thought of.

Normal

April 28th, 2010
8:53 am

G’morning, Scooter :)
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I suppose I’m of mixed emotions about this. I feel deeply that something needs to be done, especially, the drain on our social services, caused by illegals, but like many of you I see a lot of danger in Arizona’s law. I applaud them for doing something besides talk, but it feels wrong somehow. At least, perhaps, the court challenges to come will point to a more civil(?) way of approaching this problem. I will restate however, that something does need to be done.

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
8:53 am

Ty genius response…not before he set a bomb and killed how many? Ya proved my point. So lets profile White Christians, right?

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
8:53 am

TY – “Timothy Mcveigh was pulled over and detained”

for cause (driving a car without plates) … not because he was Driving While White.

JKL2

April 28th, 2010
8:54 am

It’s a terrible thing when a state has to enact laws that the federal government ignores. AZ used the same exact language that is in the federal law. I’m sure they will find a way to make it unconstitutional. You know how Obama hates having to deal with that pesky old scrap of paper.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
8:54 am

“Inconvenience to legals is a small price to pay compared to history’s sacrifices.”

Oh my freaking God.

I’m sure Native Americans would disagree with you there – plus most of the rest of the sane people. :roll:

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
8:55 am

USinUK,

Yeah, I’m too old for cartwheels too – I could never get the landing right even in my youth, but I’m way into interpretive performance art.

TGT

April 28th, 2010
8:55 am

Keep Up the Good Fight: I can almost guarantee you that once OK City bombing occurred that the authorities were looking for a white male. And that does not offend me in the least.

jt

April 28th, 2010
8:56 am

“Native Americans, you can bet that a lot of U.S.-born First People, as the Canadians call them, will be hauled in under this law.”

I’ll take that bet. Prove that “a lot” of Native Americans gets “hauled in” because of this law, and I will donate money to “La Raza”. (hundred dollars).

So “the Race” can continue their fight against racial profiling.

MAC

April 28th, 2010
8:56 am

“And in this case, MAC, the native-born American in question WAS carrying proper government documentation and STILL got handcuffed and tossed in a squad car and transported.”

And this is the norm, right Jay? Geez, cops arrest people in ATL for the wrong thing on occasion too, don’t they?

Again, you focus on the OUTLIER, not the norm. When this happens by the hundreds, I’ll start to be sympathetic.

NowReally

April 28th, 2010
8:56 am

I’m sick and tired of the Jim Crow Law constituents and representatives. It’s 2010 and now they want Jim “:) Must Look Like and Talk Like Me :) ” Law.

I’m sick of minorities being the target of stupid people.

Normal

April 28th, 2010
8:56 am

Scooter,
” have never protested about anything but if I have to start carrying my birth certificate with me I might have to protest that. Whew!”

I’m with you, I’m so old, my birth certificate is a stone tablet…

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
8:57 am

Now Really,

“I’m sick of minorities being the target of stupid people.”

I’m just sick of stupid people.

danjonglee

April 28th, 2010
8:58 am

did this happen before or after the new law in Arizona? Has the Governor signed yet? Also, what agency required the man to show his papers to be released? I thought it was the Federal immigrationn authority……

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 28th, 2010
8:59 am

Well, I was going to vote for this Neal Horsley, but some people will hold that little thing with the mule against him, so he can’t get elected. Might as well vote for old Nathan if he carries thru with a GA law like the AZ law. Seems to me it would be a fine way to get rid of alot of carpetbaggers.

How’s this? The cops pull over every foreign or fancy car they spot and start talking to the driver. If the driver don’t speak good Southren—say he pronounces his r’s hard and says “Coca Cola” instead of “CoCola”—he gets turned over to SoCo and his buddies for booking. Pretty soon we’ll have our state back.

Heck, I wouldn’t mind carrying all my papers on me if we can get back to the real South again. Nathan for Guvner! Heck, Nathan for President! He’d be a far sight better than this Kenyan we got in the White House now.

Have a good day everybody.

Scooter

April 28th, 2010
9:00 am

Top of the morn to ya Normal! We are definately on the same page with this issue. I wish I had the right answer to solve the problem. :???:

TGT

April 28th, 2010
9:00 am

And when it comes to liberals and racial profiling, they seem to have no problem linking the TEA Party movement with Mcveigh (and the like).

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
9:01 am

TGT, you are pretty dense there, intentionally or otherwise. Again, the point was that since domestic terrorists are most often white and christian, law enforcement under your theory at 8:29 should profile whites and christians daily before a crime (not after a crime when they have a description of the criminal)….. and no whites or christians should complain.

NRB2

April 28th, 2010
9:01 am

Thousands of people are killed every year by cars. Where’s your outrage at that? BAN ALL CARS!!
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Cars are supposed to be here.

Illegal scumbags are not.

DEPORT THEM ALL.

Then make liberalism an illegal mental disorder.

JohnnyReb

April 28th, 2010
9:01 am

Bosch – over 70% of the people in AZ want the law. I suppose you think they are insane also? Or, is it just those who disagree with you that are insane?

Scooter

April 28th, 2010
9:02 am

not because he was Driving While White.

Good one USinUK! :lol:

The Real McDeal, 1 billion served

April 28th, 2010
9:02 am

I knew that it was a good idea to not do anything about illegal immigrants from ’til now. Now is the right time to Deal with it. Now there is something in it for me and my fellow Republicans. We can lock in our power in this state if we play our hand right. This could be bigger than abortion and drilling and maybe even tax cuts… maybe not tax cuts. Tax cuts always get votes no matter who gets them. We can say “tax cut” and raise their taxes and they still vote for us. They’re so funny.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:02 am

Normal – 8:56 – :lol:

TGT – “I can almost guarantee you that once OK City bombing occurred that the authorities were looking for a white male”

bollocks. anyone who watched TV that day knew that the first thought was the WTC bombings from less than years prior … a disaffected white guy was NOT who they were looking for, you numpty

Normal

April 28th, 2010
9:02 am

Bosch, USinUK,
The cartwhells got me to remembering. I have posted some of my mishaps here, as perhaps you’ll remember, but Monday night, I went to help a fried put up a trampoline for his kids, a really big one. I used to be pretty good on a trampoline as a teen, so I decided to show them how easy it was to do a flip. I bounced and bounced, then I threw myself forward, tucked and landed. The flip was fair…the dismount was spectacular…painful, but spectacular.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:03 am

sorry, that should have read less than TWO years prior

Normal

April 28th, 2010
9:03 am

That’s a fried friend… :)

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:04 am

Scooter – 9:02 – I wish I could claim that one as my own, but it is brazenly cribbed from someone else (can’t remember who)

NRB2

April 28th, 2010
9:04 am

And when it comes to liberals and racial profiling, they seem to have no problem linking the TEA Party movement with Mcveigh (and the like).
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And don’t forget, since it’s a large gathering of white people, it’s automatically….raaaaaaaaaaaacist.

Because all whites are racist.

And when they get together in groups it’s important to slander and bash them.

Also, never let facts get in the way.

The tea partiers demonstrated PEACEFULLY.

Sure there was violence on the part of liberals and union thugs, but that don’t count.

Also, the illegals rioting in Arizona don’t count either.

What matters is that it’s the tea party that’s violent. Because the media said so.

ty webb

April 28th, 2010
9:04 am

keep up the good fight,
so maybe AZ should hire jay with all his mind reading abilities, and they could then pull over illegals BEFORE(all caps for emphasis) they committ the crime(it’s still a crime to be here illegaly). My point was that he gave the police probable cause to pull him over, and they did. Despite him being one of those “white christian males” that always gets away with committing crimes.

Gale

April 28th, 2010
9:05 am

I’ll be real interested to see how many AZ citizens object to being asked for proof of residence. Somehow, I didn’t think it would become open season on Hispanics with so many of the citizens of AZ being Hispanic. I think, if it came to keeping my country safe, I would not object to carrying a copy of my birth certificate. I have to produce a driver’s license if a cop asks for it now. I don’t call that an unconstitutional infringement of my rights.

RB from Gwinnett

April 28th, 2010
9:06 am

Jay, I seem to have missed your proposed alternative to this problem. Surely a fine journalist such as yourself would have an opinion of what we SHOULD do and not just sit up on your pedestal and swoop down seagull style and crap on people without proposing an alternative would you?

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:06 am

REb,

Nope. My comment earlier wasn’t about the law, it was about the notion that we should just all get over it if we legal citizens here are inconvenienced by racial profiling. It’s rather easy for those of us who are white to say that. I’m sure the minorities in this country might see it different.

I’m sure even you would feel different if you were hauled in for no reason just because of what you looked like — but I wouldn’t want to speak for you.

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
9:07 am

Now TGT which do you want to argue…for or against racial profiling…..or is it okay to argue for racial profiling if it is muslims or hispanic but against it if it is old middle class white guys wearing tri-corner hats claiming to be patriots and anti-goverment ranting who inspire the anti-goverment kooks like McVeigh…and even the new McVey…. really the flip flops are dizzying….

NRB2

April 28th, 2010
9:09 am

This is like when the “assault weapons” ban expired a few years ago and dumb libs like Jay predicted machine gun fights in the streets.

Still hasnt happened yet.

It’s some sort of dementia that Democrats have where they project evil thoughts and ideas upon law enforcement and white people. A blur between fiction and reality that kills off their brain cells.

Tune in tomorrow for another blog post about how unimportant Sarah Palin is.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:09 am

Normal – did you get a 4.2 from the Russian judge?

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:09 am

Normal @ 9:02 –

With each word of that post, my head started shaking more and more until now I’m dizzy. With that simple word “trampoline” – I just knew it would not have a happy ending.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:10 am

“This is like when the “assault weapons” ban expired a few years ago and dumb libs like Jay predicted machine gun fights in the streets. ”

um. care to prove that? you know … a little link or something to back up your claim, Hyperbole Man???

JKL2

April 28th, 2010
9:10 am

Nowreally-

Legal aliens are required by law to carry their 551 (green) card with them at all times. It’s a terrible thing when a state tries to enforce something that’s already the law.

If you are an ILLEGAL alien, your crime is being here.

The Real McDeal, 1 billion served

April 28th, 2010
9:11 am

Tea Partiers promoting non-violent hatred. Now that’s a good one, NRB2. You should share your thoughts with Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity and Glenn Beck and… actually, it sounds like they are the ones sharing their thoughts with you.

Normal

April 28th, 2010
9:12 am

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:09 am
Normal – did you get a 4.2 from the Russian judge?

He said the flailing of my arms and legs, plus the primal scream of OOOHHH SH*******T!!! did it for him….

JohnnyReb

April 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Bosch – I’m inconvienced and offended everytime I fly somewhere.

AmVet

April 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Perusing the comments here ALWAYS confirms that I am first, overjoyed to be an American.

And secondly that I have the common sense and human decency NOT to be a member of the political right wing.

I know it not particularly newsworthy, but some of these neo-cons are just flat out cretins…

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Jay, how bout an article about the teapartiers throwing rocks at the police in AZ?

what’s that…wasn’t them,?!?

I guess they are too busy saying bad things to corrupt congressmen in D.C. like the n word that nobody can find any evidence of, not even for 100K reward.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:12 am

NRB2

“This is like when the “assault weapons” ban expired a few years ago and dumb libs like Jay predicted machine gun fights in the streets.”

Or is that like how you wingnuts are so sure that if we don’t torture detainees that other Mooslim crazed terrorists will swarm in and all cut our heads off in the streets or rape our wives and children? You mean like that?

Paul

April 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Mr. Rove spoke of the theory.

The ICE incident demonstrates the reality.

Reality rules. Let’s hope the feds fast-track the court challenge and don’t let it play out for political advantage. I don’t have a lot of hope for that, as the immigration issue seems to be the best hope Democrats have to reverse their downward trend heading into November.

Normal

Thanks for that tribute to Bill Mauldin down below.

I’ve an original, signed hardback “Up Front” copyright 1945. Today’s soldiers couldn’t begin to comprehend what their grandfathers and great grandfathers went through.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Reb,

“I’m inconvienced and offended everytime I fly somewhere.”

And that is relevant here to this topic how? Mr. Orange says, “Hello Mr. Apple, it is I, your brother Mr. Orange (as Mr. Apple goes “WTF?”).”

Paul

April 28th, 2010
9:16 am

Normal 9:02

Did anyone video it? Sounds like a good candidate for Jay Leno’s “What Did They Think Would Happen?” segment. :-)

JKL2

April 28th, 2010
9:16 am

Kind of like all those nice people on the news last night throwing bottles at the police. Good thing they are all on the tree hugging left. Otherwise they might be confused with the Tea Partiers(who have yet to have anyone arrested) as being an angry mob.

USinUK

April 28th, 2010
9:16 am

um … bosch … does your food USUALLY talk to you??? (other than your cheesy shrimp grits)

Normal

April 28th, 2010
9:17 am

Paul,

“I’ve an original, signed hardback “Up Front” copyright 1945. Today’s soldiers couldn’t begin to comprehend what their grandfathers and great grandfathers went through.”

You have a great piece of history…keep it safe.

scrappy

April 28th, 2010
9:17 am

TGT @8:39 – No – “liberals” -as you call them- biggest problem with this law is not racial profiling, it is forcing legal citizens to be scared of the police and risk false arrest and imprisonment for failing to have the proper papers on their person at all times.

The fact that so many here agree with this and think it is just a minor inconvenience are what are even more worrying to me. Some common sense people! This is not good for the country, we do not want to end up like Russia or Nazi Germany (socialism!- shouldn’t conservatives be against socialism? this is the major media hype that they like to call the current ‘liberal’ president ) with harassment by police and ‘papers please’ mentality!

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:18 am

Paul,

Ya’ know? I’ve been thinking about this whole immigration issue, and I don’t see why it’s a big deal just to carry around your green card — I mean, I am not that bad of a barking moonbat, but I really don’t see why it needs to be a national issue to be honest. We have laws that are decent, they just simply need to be enforced — politics comes into play when the people who are the problem (the employers) start to get arrested. In this problem, I see the employers as the real problem, not the people who are working.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:19 am

USinUK,

“does your food USUALLY talk to you???”

Does your NOT? Oh dear.

MAC

April 28th, 2010
9:19 am

I’m a former resident of AZ and it IS a crisis there.

The added burden on citizens for additional law enforcement, schools, hospitals, social services, etc, due to an abdication of Federal enforcement, amounts to a huge undeclared tax on all AZ citizens. And the invasion is not the straw man stereotype of the poor, quiet migrant worker who is only doing back breaking work in the field that no Americans will do. The smuggling (both people and drugs), the gangs, the violence and the overall crime is being driven by organized well-funded criminals.

The Federal Govt is derelict in its constitutional requirement to protect AZ citizens, due mostly to political reasons outside of AZ. AZ has a moral and constitutional obligation to step in if the Federal govt abdicates. Anyone outside of AZ (or TX, CA, NM) should have no authority on this until the Federal Govt lives up to its obligations.

There is enough unspent stimulus money to address this problem if Obama and Congress has the will to do it. If they don’t (and I mean action, not lip service as the past four Presidents including Obama have done), then I support AZ 100% .

Paul

April 28th, 2010
9:20 am

Normal

I will. Tough thing is, one has to treat it like those manuscripts in the restricted section of a library. It’s drawings and a lot of his writings, so it’s the conflict between wanting to keep it in good condition and wanting to go through it again and again.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:21 am

“The Federal Govt is derelict in its constitutional requirement to protect AZ citizens, due mostly to political reasons outside of AZ.”

Oh my freaking God – the federal government sucks unless you need them.

Normal

April 28th, 2010
9:22 am

Paul

April 28th, 2010
9:16 am

No, no video…but my wife saw it all and that was enough. She asked the “What were you thinking?” question, and while laying there, I answered, “I think I want a motorcycle instead….” Shoulda seen her face…

JKL2

April 28th, 2010
9:22 am

Scrappy-

I believe it is Chicago that is calling for the National Guard to be activated to protect them on the streets. That is a police state. What AZ is trying to do is enforce laws that are already on the books.

Doggone/GA

April 28th, 2010
9:23 am

“I don’t see why it’s a big deal just to carry around your green card”

It isn’t, it’s required by law. End of that issue. But that is not THE issue. The issue is how and when a police officer will choose to ask for proof that a person is either here legally, or is an actual USA citizen. What this law is, in effect, requiring is that EVERYONE carry such proof with them at all times.

BTW, I heard on the NPR news report this AM that the Sheriff in the county in which is Tucson, AZ is saying he is NOT going to enforce this law.

ty webb

April 28th, 2010
9:24 am

“um. care to prove that? you know … a little link or something to back up your claim, Hyperbole Man???”

Now now, UsinUK. We all speak(or type) in generalizations and use hyperbole. Including our gracious host, Jay. I don’t demand proof everytime I, as a conservative, is called a sexist, racist, homophobe, etc, etc. Come on, you’re better than Doggone.

TGT

April 28th, 2010
9:24 am

Keep Up the Good Fight @ 9:01: Talk about DENSE. Domestic terrorism (etc.) does not occur at the rate of THOUSANDS per day. Thus the necessity for a bit of a different approach.

USinUK @9:02: From Wikipedia (you “numpty” or “dumpty” or whatever): “Initially, the FBI had three hypotheses regarding who might have been responsible for the bombing. The first was international terrorists, possibly the same group that had carried out the World Trade Center bombing two years earlier. The FBI also thought that a drug cartel might have been carrying out an act of vengeance against DEA agents, as the building held a DEA office. The last hypothesis was that the bombing was done by Christian fascists acting on conspiracy theories.

Again, a white male was a significant part of the profile (as were other skin tones) and that is just good law enforcement and common sense.

DOGGONE/STUPID

April 28th, 2010
9:24 am

What part of they are here illegally do you people not understand ?

MAC

April 28th, 2010
9:25 am

“Oh my freaking God – the federal government sucks unless you need them.”

OMFG, hello!, people pay taxes FOR THIS (security and defense), not for all the other non-constitutional crap it’s being spent on.

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
9:25 am

No one is arguing that illegal immigration is not a problem. We acknowledge it is a problem. We acknowledge that it should have been dealt with when Bush wanted to but the Republicans stopped him. We acknowledge that the “wall” that taxpayers paid millions to build, has failed (with a chorus of: we told ya!).

The point we dont agree is how exactly this law fixes the problems and how it steps over constitutional lines. As I pointed out in another blog….you could deal with the problem by shooting and killing any and all hispanics…that acknowledges the problem and deals with some of it. Does not mean it is an acceptable solution and morally wrong.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:27 am

Doggone,

I’m with you – this law actually seems to require police officers to racially profile.

Paul

April 28th, 2010
9:27 am

USinUK

[Bosch: “does your food USUALLY talk to you???”]

Usually about 8 hours after he eats.

Is this a record for sending the thread downhill the soonest?

Bosch

Thing is, as I noted the other day, MA has tens of thousands of illegal Irish. Other states have similar populations. But this….. I’m a pretty strong believer that the authorities ought to leave you alone unless they see you doing something illegal. And not manufacture a situation so they can stick their noses in.

One of the most jarring reality shifts I had in adulthood was going from the “police are professionals, they universally adhere to a higher standard and you can trust them” to… well, let me just leave it with the thought that what I’ve seen does not always fit the image.

JKL2

April 28th, 2010
9:29 am

Bosch-

The government does actually have some responsibilities(19 if I remember correctly). Protecting it’s borders is one of them.

Passing stupid healthcare laws is not. Maybe the government should focus on doing it’s job instead of focusing on things outside of it’s scope of responsibility and spending us into oblivion(like all those bankrupt European countries they are trying to make us emulate).

Disgusted

April 28th, 2010
9:29 am

This is not good for the country, we do not want to end up like Russia or Nazi Germany (socialism!- shouldn’t conservatives be against socialism? this is the major media hype that they like to call the current ‘liberal’ president ) with harassment by police and ‘papers please’ mentality!

It’s not as though we don’t already have elements of a police state. Yesterday, thanks to the AJC’s investigative reporting, I learned that the Police Department in the City of Roswell, GA has a quota of 25 DUI arrests per police officer per year as a precondition of receiving a satisfactory performance rating. I have no problem with the arrest of people who are driving while intoxicated, but I do have a problem with enforcing such a quota. In comparison, being asked to show a driver’s license, a green card, or a birth certificate is a minor inconvenience. We might ask which is a greater symptom of a police state.

Mick

April 28th, 2010
9:29 am

**The rancher was white, plus he had money and was a property owner. Those are the top three things that Democrats hate with a seething passion. They do cartwheels when they hear about things like that**

Yeah, right….its comments like that which show the level of ignorance many possess in the south.

Bosch

April 28th, 2010
9:30 am

“What part of they are here illegally do you people not understand ?”

Oh my freaking God – who is “they?” Do you have some kind of magic radar gun that you shoot at people that tells their immigration status?

Oh, I just had a thought – maybe we should just microchip all the legal brown people and we can get some kind of scan gun like that and poof! Problem solved! :roll:

RW-(the original)

April 28th, 2010
9:30 am

So a federal officer wrongly takes someone into custody and it’s cited here as a consequence of a state law that isn’t even effect yet. Nice stretch.

geez…..

And in case you missed the alert last night, today is the Full Pink Moon

Later y’all.

Scooter

April 28th, 2010
9:30 am

MAC

April 28th, 2010
9:19 am

I can see your point MAC. What a mess!

Keep up the good fight!

April 28th, 2010
9:31 am

TGT… you really are getting denser by the minute….. you argue for racial profiling in airports (there are not plane attacks in the thousands daily either) but want to ignore domestic terrorism. Guess it all depends on your perspective of what is important. I am confident that the families of those killed by rabid Christian extremeists would have disagree with you. But nice to know that you think that your “group” should not be profiled, just the “others”…..