A few conservative voices criticize Arizona law

Arizona’s draconian new law regarding illegal immigration has drawn harsh criticism from many on the left, including President Obama. Most egregious is a provision that requires local law enforcement to check documentation of those they suspect might be in this country illegally, and to detain those who cannot produce such documentation.

In other words, if you look, sound or act as though you might be of Hispanic origin, you risk being accosted by law enforcement officers every time you venture into public. It’s a vast expansion of government power, yet most of those on the right who have claimed to be outraged by imaginary assaults on liberty by the Obama administration have been silent about this very real intrusion.

Instead, we get nonsense such as this tweet from Erick Erickson of CNN and Red State.com, who asks: “If Canadians were crossing illegally N2 Arizona, no one would be playing the race card. Can AZ not respond just b/c of the illegals’ race?”

Given the porous U.S.-Canadian border, I’m sure that there are a good number of Canadians in Arizona without proper papers, especially in the wintertime. And I very much doubt that they will be accosted by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Phoenix on the street and tossed into the county jail. So yes, race indeed plays a very large role, and it’s ludicrous to pretend otherwise.

However, there are exceptions to the right’s silence, and they should be noted. Former U.S. Rep. Joe Scarborough, conservative host of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, condemns the provision in no uncertain words:

“It does offend me that when one out of every three citizens in the state of Arizona are Hispanics, and you have now put a target on the back of one of three citizens who, if they’re walking their dog around a neighborhood, if they’re walking their child to school, and they’re an American citizen or a legal, legal immigrant, can now put a target on their back and make them think every time they walk out of their door, they may have to prove something. I will tell you that is unAmerican. It is unacceptable, and it’s unAmerican.”

Marco Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants and a conservative Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Florida, has expressed similar concerns:

“States certainly have the right to enact policies to protect their citizens, but Arizona’s policy shows the difficulty and limitations of states trying to act piecemeal to solve what is a serious federal problem. From what I have read in news reports, I do have concerns about this legislation. While I don’t believe Arizona’s policy was based on anything other than trying to get a handle on our broken borders, I think aspects of the law, especially that dealing with ‘reasonable suspicion,’ are going to put our law enforcement officers in an incredibly difficult position. It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens. Throughout American history and throughout this administration we have seen that when government is given an inch it takes a mile.”

We need a rational approach to immigration policy in this country, although many of us would disagree on what might constitute such a policy. However, a law that presumes that a third of the residents of Arizona are here illegally unless and until they can prove otherwise — surely we can agree that is excessive and, as Scarborough calls it, unAmerican.

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josef nix

April 27th, 2010
4:41 pm

As I posted below, this was the talk of the fifth grade today…read the bill…my fifth graders did. And, thanks, Jay, for paying attention. Your words draconian are NOT hyperbole…

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:47 pm

Jay:

That’s B.S. and you know it. The police have to have a reason to stop you and THEN they have the right to check citizenship. A country that cannot control it’s borders will cease to be a country. It’s just common sense. You live in your ivory tower here in Atlanta and don’t have to go through what the “citizens” of Arizona (and other states) are going through. People are getting fed up!

I assume you know Mexico has a “zero tolerance” policy for “its” southern border?

BTW: Since when did the U.S. Senate turn into a runaway grand jury instead of a legislative body? Do they not have enough to do ?

Paul

April 27th, 2010
4:47 pm

“If Canadians were crossing illegally N2 Arizona, no one would be playing the race card. Can AZ not respond just b/c of the illegals’ race?”

I asked the other day how this would have been written or enforced in Massachusetts, home to 50,000 illegals.

From Ireland.

Gets me how a state legislature could pass, and the governor could sign, a law so obviously unconstitutional. Waaaay too broad.

Pogo

April 27th, 2010
4:49 pm

Bosch, see downstairs old friend. Jay loves to change topics when I chime in. Tough to keep up with.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:49 pm

Paul:

Illegal aliens DO NOT have the right to be or stay in this country. It cheapens not only your citizenship but the citizenship of every immigrant going through the legal process.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
4:50 pm

Scout

Have you read the bill? It’s only 17 pages.

PAUL
But…but…Ireland is, well, uh, white and English speaking…

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:51 pm

P.S. to Paul:

“I hope you have an extra bedroom in your house because I am coming to stay there whether you like it or not.”

How would that make you feel? Should you have any more right to protect your home/property and your right to privacy than our country? I think not.

Puleaze

April 27th, 2010
4:53 pm

God doesn’t recognize borders, were all his children and should be free to go wherever God guides us….

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
4:54 pm

One of my latina coworkers today said only in half jest that she was going to invest in peroxide, blonde hair is about to be the rage…

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:55 pm

josef:

Most Hispanic-American citizens and legal immigrants don’t like it either.

“Al Sharpton threatens to go to Phoenix and march in the streets against the new Arizona law. Let him go. Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government – Bush and Obama both – issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

What are we doing to our own people? Whose country is this, anyway?”

Pat Buchanan

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:55 pm

Puleaze :

Then God doesn’t recognize your home either. Open it up !

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

Scout

I repeat: have you read the bill? The devil is in the details, and this sucker is the work of the devil…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 27th, 2010
4:57 pm

Well, there wouldn’t of been a need for the AZ law if they followed what I said to do months ago. Just let us rednecks haul the illegals across the border and dump them. It wouldn’t cost nothing except maybe a little gas money. If we make a little mistake now and then, so what?These illegals got to go. If they start hiring them for our jobs, pretty soon they’ll be working so hard, won’t nobody hire us again. They don’t even take decent breaks and you won’t hardly find one that will just take the day off because the sick leave is there to be used and might as well use it. Most of them don’t even know what a good hangover is.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good evening everybody.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:57 pm

Puleaze :

If you will bother to read the O.T. you will find that God articulated the borders of Israel quite specifically.

DOGGONE/STUPID

April 27th, 2010
4:58 pm

How is this any more Draconian than Obama’s health care bill ?

Scout

April 27th, 2010
4:58 pm

josef:

You ignore the issue. Enough is enough. People are fed up. Agree to disagree.

Puleaze

April 27th, 2010
4:58 pm

I spoke to God this morning and she told me borders are for bigots……

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
4:58 pm

Puleaze–

Better be careful about who you invite to spend the weekend at the lake house…you could lose it and wind your G-d fearing a$$ in lockup… jus’ sayin’

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:00 pm

Scout–
I could probably run you a race for non pc opinions on immigration, I’m NOT ignoring the issue. I am scared to death or what’s in store if this thing holds muster with the challenges to its constitutionality. As I said, read it…

@@

April 27th, 2010
5:01 pm

Well, at least it put a fire under the federal government. Up and until Arizona passed this controversial bill, there was little to no discussion on immigration reform. It CERTAINLY gave Obama an opportunity to capitalize on the Latino vote. Not sure it’ll work to his advantage tho.

For some strange reason I was thinking if one is Latino and walking they could be asked to offer proof of residence. As I read the bill it’s all centered around moving violations. Maybe I’m reading it wrong.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:01 pm

Scout,

I would venture I guess somewhere in your past is an immigrant…

@@

April 27th, 2010
5:02 pm

Oops! not necessarily violations. It did focus mainly on vehicles tho.

Union

April 27th, 2010
5:03 pm

mmm.. yeah… you know.. keeping with how “violent” those dang tea baggers are.. maybe we should send them to AZ to take some lessons from the peaceful, bottle throwing, swastika waving, white people beating (in effigy) protesters?

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:06 pm

“Texas has now joined Hawaii, New Mexico and California as a majority-minority state, along with the District of Columbia, the U.S. Census Bureau reported today. Five states — Maryland, Mississippi, Georgia, New York and Arizona — are next in line with minority populations of about 40 percent. (The minority population includes all people except non-Hispanic single-race whites.)”

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/005514.html

There may be a backlash coming, but it certainly isn’t what the Orange Pekoe Brigade is expecting….

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:06 pm

@@

Not if you read the bill more closely–just speaking Spanish can be used as “reasonable suspicion.”

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:08 pm

jewcowboy:

Yes ……….. legal.

Puleaze:

“God is not mocked.” You’re on your own. Wish you well.

Keep up the good fight!

April 27th, 2010
5:08 pm

Scout…..ummm… good thing you have retired from law enforcement. Reasonable suspicion (even under Terry v Ohio) requires a statement of articulable reasons to stop. Now what would that be in this case: they were brown, they wore shoes from Walmart?, they spoke spanish?. This is not a check in conjunction with another proper stop.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:09 pm

josef nix,

“just speaking Spanish can be used as “reasonable suspicion.”

I think I just saw sales of “marguerita’s” drop in Arizona…

Road Scholar

April 27th, 2010
5:09 pm

If you have a tan, I wonder if those “In God we trust” license tag stickers will keep you from getting stopped?

Southern Comfort

April 27th, 2010
5:10 pm

OMFG!!! That’s all I have to say about that.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:11 pm

“just speaking Spanish can be used as “reasonable suspicion.”

Sounds great to me. If I am in a foreign country, get stopped for something, and can’t speak their language (or speak an odd dialect of English) I expect the police to immediately ask me for my passport. No problem.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:11 pm

Scout,
“Yes ……….. legal.”

So what was the point of the post of Pat Buchanan condemning legal immigration @ 4.55?

“Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government – Bush and Obama both – issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

What are we doing to our own people? Whose country is this, anyway?”

Puleaze

April 27th, 2010
5:12 pm

The Koran is the truth, the Bible is fiction…..

Rightwing Troll

April 27th, 2010
5:12 pm

If we ran off the “illegals” there would quite literally be a shortage of the “unskilled” and hard laborers.

For all the lip service you wingnuts put to this, you ignore one simple fact: Americans are too fat, lazy, and entitled to dig a ditch.

Besides you can’t dig a ditch with a cell phone in one hand… this demographic is full of white folks with R’s and D’s beside thier names, trailer parks are full of both.

Yah, I know, Obama made them ALL entitled in the last 16 months… I get it, it’s ALL Obama’s fault.

Southern Comfort

April 27th, 2010
5:13 pm

I’m willing to wager that if ALL states did the exact same thing, but instead of using reasonable suspicion, they stopped everyone and checked for “papers”, the image used to portray illegals would forever be changed.

If AZ wants to prove themselves, check EVERYONE!!

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:13 pm

jewcowboy:

Simple:

1) Even legal immigration must be controlled and given time to absorb. And it should definitely be curtailed during times when Americans don’t have jobs.

2) Obama and crew are just trying to bring in more future Democratic votes.

Next Question.

DannyX

April 27th, 2010
5:14 pm

I spoke to God too. He made it clear that he doesn’t see this as a case of “illegal alien.” God said they are “Christian immigrants.”

God said he rewards these people with a good life in the USA. He said they work hard. He said he loves them, a lot. He then said we better be nice to them.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:14 pm

“God is not mocked.”

So..you’re God now, Scout? Who knew? Is your first name Bruce?

Rightwing Troll

April 27th, 2010
5:16 pm

“Puleaze:

“God is not mocked.” You’re on your own. Wish you well.”

Yes he is, each and every day, right here, by those who profess to be “true” christians yet have darkness in thier heart and soul. This blog is a fine example of that on a daily basis…

Beezlebub

April 27th, 2010
5:16 pm

Why would your God give me free will, if your God can’t handle being mocked. I thought your God was all powerful, why play head games? Is your God perverted?

Dusty

April 27th, 2010
5:20 pm

Josef,

Unless you let your students read the national laws on immigration you have given them a one sided debate. The AZ bill does have lines that are reminiscent of dictatorial times as in Germany before WWII. But to take one side only in a debate does not leave an open mind.

I would doubt, because you care so much for your students, that you mention the bad effects of illegal immigration. But there is that situation and it has become a menace in Arizona and beyond. .

Since you are such an excellent writer and thinker, I hope you have suggested a solution to your lawmakers as to how to solve the problem of ALL illegals in the USA. Or do you think we should have any laws at all concerning those who come here illegally?

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:20 pm

Scout,

“Next Question.”

How about the fact that there are jobs that Americans are not filling b/c they are too busy getting MBA’s?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1743493.stm

Brad Steel

April 27th, 2010
5:21 pm

Wow! The states are really encroaching everyone’s right to be left alone.

But not expecting too much outrage from the right on this one. Wonder why?

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:21 pm

SoCo

I agree, sauce for the goose…check everybody, no question…invasion of privacy…perhaps, but the Constitution is not at issue here just yet…

Puleaze
“The Koran is the truth, the Bible is fiction…..”

That statement is as full of sh*t as the proverbial Christmas turkey…neither is truth and neither is fiction…

SCOUT

Spanish has been spoken in the United States (and Georgia) longer than English…you know history well enough to know that…we have no official language in the United States for a good reason and our forefathers knew that…sorry, Pombo, but as my quebecois neighbors say, “je me souviens…aussi.”

jefferson

April 27th, 2010
5:21 pm

Who pays for the jails when they are full?

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:22 pm

Scout,

“2) Obama and crew are just trying to bring in more future Democratic votes.”

And Bush was helping?

“Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government – Bush and Obama both – issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:22 pm

Doggone/GA:

Take it up with Him:

Galatians 6:7 (New International Version)
“Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.”

Del

April 27th, 2010
5:23 pm

The most important responsibility that a C&C has is our nations security and the well being of its people. Unfortunately this responsibility as it pertains to our Southern border has not been met. This has led the state of Arizona to act on its own based on suffering illegal immigration in the extreme. It’s unimaginable how anyone can be pointing a finger of blame at the state government in AZ., while completely ignoring the lack of action of the elected officials in Washington D.C. This politically correct vote pandering in my view is nothing less than treason.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:23 pm

Brad Steel,

“Wonder why?”

Because they can’t dress up as colonialists?

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:24 pm

josef:

Of course Bush helped. He didn’t have the guts to do what needed to be done with illegal immigration. That was my biggest disappointed in him.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:24 pm

Del:

Good point and “treason” is the word.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:25 pm

“Take it up with Him:”

The sound of the point whooshing right by Scout. He was mocking YOU, not God.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:26 pm

DUSTY

Our topic was the bill itself in relation to Arizona…we talk about immigration a lot in my class since it is an issue that directly affects them on a daily basis. I don’t present any of my own opinions.
I don’t have to. They have plenty. Some are illegal, some are legal, some are first generation and some are third, fourth, fifth generation…as I tell them, this is for you to decide…

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2010
5:26 pm

I know the logistics would be a nightmare, but I would love to see all the Hispanics in Arizona pack up and move to neighboring states for a while just to see how Arizona’s remaining population liked it once they got what they asked for.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:27 pm

from the book of jewcowboy…kitten sneezes 7:15 (NewCentury Gothic Typeset edition)

“Mock anything you want”

Beezlebub

April 27th, 2010
5:28 pm

Springsteen is the boss, ergo God to qoute God, “Baby we were born to run…..”

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:28 pm

I wonder how much this will cost the taxpayers in AZ from the lawsuits stemming from the wrongful imprisonment of US citizens…

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:29 pm

DEL

Your point on Arizona dealing with the problem as acute is well taken. It is not finger pointing, though, to look at how–and Jay’s word is correct–draconian the provisions are…just read the sections of the bill dealing with the protection of snitches…as Dusty said, and she’s a conservative, some of the provisions are straight out of nazi Europe…

jefferson

April 27th, 2010
5:29 pm

The worms are out of the can and AZ will not solve its problem, they will only make it worse with this approach.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:29 pm

“Failure to properly control our borders costs citizens in many ways: schools become overcrowded, medical resources are stretched too thin, other government services are overtaxed, and taxes increase further.” Author Unknown

“He can fight terrorists overseas, but he leaves our borders so they can come in here and do their thing.” Tom Tancredo

DannyX

April 27th, 2010
5:29 pm

“Obama and crew are just trying to bring in more future Democratic votes”

Just think. All those ‘Christian immigrants’ from the south President Reagan gave amnesty to a while back now all have children and probably grandchildren by now. Reagan created millions of new Democrats. Now voting!

Thank you President Reagan. God Bless you.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:31 pm

“but I would love to see all the Hispanics in Arizona pack up”

And I have a warped sense of humor…I’d like to see all the Hispanics in the surrounding states move TO Arizona. That’d keep the police busy!

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:33 pm

Doggone/GA:

“The sound of the point whooshing right by Scout. He was mocking YOU, not God.”

You don’t know how much your post was music to my ears …………………… thank you.

Matthew 5:11
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:34 pm

DannyX:

Unfortunately yes, and the result is Obama.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:34 pm

jefferson @ 5:29

“The worms are out of the can and AZ will not solve its problem, they will only make it worse with this approach.”

Much agreed. This bill was reactionary and that’s not good.

Dusty

April 27th, 2010
5:35 pm

Dear SoCo,

At one time, nobody was checked at airports before they got on the plane. All they needed was a ticket . But that changed. Why? Because it became dangerous not to check passengers. And you can check them even more if you think they look suspicious. Seems to be AZ has come to that stage.

Probably the next step will be to check All papeers on everybody as you suggested. I wonder how this works on the Indian Reservations in AZ. The Navajo Reservation is the size of West Virginia. They have their own police force as do the others tribes. Just wondering how complicated this will get. But AZ has thousands of citizens who are not white and I think this new law is an attempt at law and order. I have been to AZ so many times and never saw any out right prejudice. There have always been a great mix of skin color in AZ. It is nothing new.

.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:35 pm

“for my sake.”

Nice quote, but he wasn’t mocking you for Christ’s sake. Try again. There’s BOUND to be something in there that fits, if you look hard enough.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:36 pm

Maybe AZ should ask Perry about using his cameras.

http://www.texastribune.org/stories/2010/apr/20/texas-border-cameras-153k-arrest/

$153K per arrest…kind of expensive, but at least it’s virtually worthless in its objectives…oh well Federal taxpayers only had to cough up $4M for it…

How is that for Republican fiscal conservatism?

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2010
5:36 pm

And I have a warped sense of humor…I’d like to see all the Hispanics in the surrounding states move TO Arizona. That’d keep the police busy!

Actually, I like your warped sense of humor. How ’bout one month with and one month without. Let the folks there have a taste of the extremes before deciding.

Keep up the good fight!

April 27th, 2010
5:37 pm

hey Scout & Del….a much easier way to solve the problem…shoot and kill everyone who does not look like a citizen…. I mean based on your arguments, anything is justified when the Feds do not act in accordance with your desires (although they have increased patrols and made new laws, etc). I mean we cannot blame AZ and the Ayran Nation influenced sponsor of the bill for taking any action even if it is over the line. Anything goes under your arguments right?

N-GA

April 27th, 2010
5:38 pm

Arizona – The Re-birthplace of Fascism.

“Show me your PAPERS!”

Paul

April 27th, 2010
5:38 pm

Scout 4:49

I said nothing about whether or not people who arrived here illegally should remain. I addressed the Arizona statute. This is the relevant part:

” For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person”

How, if you were a defense attorney representing a police officer, would you advise him to state what constitutes “reasonable suspicion that the person is an alien’? I also have difficulty with the ‘lawful contact’ portion.

It’s rather like having a person who is ill and one doctor advises antibiotics and the other advises leeches. That the person is ill is a given; what to do about it is the question.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:38 pm

Doggone/GA:

More music to my ears. Keep it coming.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:38 pm

from the book of jewcowboy… Limoges 18:3 (NewCentury Gothic Typeset edition)

“Blessed is the one who does not babble about the bible or their god on a blog, but keeps it in church.”

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:39 pm

Keep up the good fight!:

Infantile response – not reasoned debate.

TaxPayer

April 27th, 2010
5:40 pm

Scout feels persecuted. Awwwww.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:40 pm

jewcowboy:

“Jesus said, go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to EVERY creature” !

……….. and they didn’t even have churches back then !

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:40 pm

PAUL
Someone who has actually read the bill…as I said below, this is chilling….

Keep up the good fight!

April 27th, 2010
5:41 pm

Scout…a perfectly reasoned logical extension of your argument and perfectly acceptable in court and in law school…but of course, duck the question.

Del

April 27th, 2010
5:41 pm

Josef,

If the fed was performing its elected responsibility by securing our Southern border by force if necessary, I would be inclined to take issue with any state law that targets race as a crime fighting tactic. I don’t believe that Arizona wants to unfairly target Hispanics and while it may be an unfortunate unintended circumstance our federal government doesn’t deserve a pass as they attempt to make AZ. the scape goat for their own inaction.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:43 pm

Southern Comfort

April 27th, 2010
5:43 pm

Dusty

The problem with that law is whether or not it ends up being a 4th Amendment issue. The only law enforcement agency that has some leeway with the 4th is CBP, and that’s only in relation to border searches. I’m not weighing in on this law until I can read it completely. However, the idea of the law does seem to kind of flip the middle finger towards the 4th. Reasonable suspicion is going to have to go beyond skin color and languages.

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:43 pm

Paul:

” For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person”

I LOVE IT!

Lawful contact? …………. presence, verbal, soft hands, hard hands, chemical weapon, taser, contact weapon, lethal force.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:44 pm

Paul

April 27th, 2010
5:44 pm

TaxPayer

Some years back a DVD was released – “A day without a Mexican.” Was quite funny – all the Mexicans disappeared and all these Anglos are saying “It’s the Rapture!!!! Yes!!!! Wait….. the Mexicans are gone…. and I’m still here?!!?”

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:44 pm

“More music to my ears. Keep it coming.”

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

jefferson

April 27th, 2010
5:45 pm

If you think this is a simple problem, you don’t know the logistics or you are simple minded.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:45 pm

jewcowboy – “but keeps it in church.”

My favorite one is: don’t TELL me you’re a Christian, SHOW me

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:45 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

Sorry ………. playground stuff.

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:46 pm

Paul @ 5.38,

There will be two ways this goes down…

1. Police depts. with large budgets or with little to do will go overboard with this law
2. Police depts. with small budgets or overburdened and understaffed will ignore the law except possibly when using it to arrest someone for which they have no other probable cause

At least that is the way I see it implemented…

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:47 pm

DoggoneGA:

Good one. Keep it coming. It’s always good for others to read scripture. It might help them.

DoggoneGA

April 27th, 2010
5:47 pm

“person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States,”

Well, that lets all Earthlings out. It’s only those darn “aliens” we have to worry about. Been any UFO sightings in AZ lately?

Cornelius Lonkar

April 27th, 2010
5:48 pm

It’s time some state stands up. The Federal government won’t do it. to touchy. It’s time to stand up and send the illegals back to mexico, or were ever.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:48 pm

DEL
And if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his a$$ when he jumps, but he don’t so he does. Iffing it does not diminish the reactionary, draconian measures of this bill and if you doubt that it’s aim is not to unfairly target latinos, then I’ve got a rose colored bridge up in New York you might be interested in…

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April 27th, 2010
5:49 pm

josef:

I took a closer look. When I read the bill the first time I did wonder about people who had a friend picking them up for work. Anyhoo, is the part you’re talking about in Sec. 5?

Sec. 5. that addresses unlawful stopping to hire and pick up passengers for work; unlawful application, solicitation or employment

It is unlawful for a person who is unlawfully present in the United States and who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor in this state.

“Solicit” means verbal or nonverbal communication by a gesture or a nod that would indicate to a reasonable person that a person is willing to be employed.

Maybe it would behoove those looking for workers, as well as the workers themselves, to initiate a list of legal immigrants who are looking for short-term work.

I’m just asking, ’cause I don’t have the solution. It should have never come to this. The onus is on the federal government for letting it go unaddressed for so long.

Don’t go gettin’ pithy with me.

(ISH)

Del

April 27th, 2010
5:49 pm

Scout,

I have to saddle up and pick up my daughter. It appears that you’re handling the incoming very well though. Will try to reengage later. Out

jewcowboy

April 27th, 2010
5:49 pm

DoggoneGA,

“My favorite one is: don’t TELL me you’re a Christian, SHOW me”

I’d rather they do neither…keep it to themselves…

Jesus, save me from your followers ;)

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April 27th, 2010
5:49 pm

DANG! Straight up after paragraph 4.

josef nix

April 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

jewcowboy–

Or somebody you don’t like the shoes they’re wearing who just happened to cross your path on a bad hair day…

Scout

April 27th, 2010
5:51 pm

Hey libs.:

No guts if you don’t watch this all the way through ………….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ