Arizona trying to claim title, but Georgia’s still in the race

from Politico:

“Arizona is “turning into a punch line,” one of the state’s newspapers reported Friday after surveying the latest global commentary about the state featuring choice phrases such as “wingnut paradise,” “nuttiest legislative body,” “America’s dumbest state,” and “blazing a trail into the fringe.”

…Even some of the state’s own politicians have begun referring to Arizona as a “laughingstock.”

…The sources of derision?

There was the “birther” bill approved by the Arizona House this week requiring presidential candidates to prove their citizenship by displaying birth certificates.

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers, mandating that they stop and question people they suspect of being undocumented immigrants.

And there’s the new gun law that allows anyone besides convicted felons to carry concealed weapons without registration or background checks.

Finally, for good measure, there’s the sideshow Republican Senate primary starring J.D. Hayworth, a serious challenger to Sen. John McCain, and his now-famous observation that same sex marriage laws would lead to men marrying horses….

Yeah, but is the Arizona Legislature passing a bill to make it a misdemeanor to implant microchips in a human being against his or her will? Do they have an ethically bankrupt John Oxendine figure leading the GOP race for governor? Did they threaten to secede if Congress passes additional gun-control laws? Are they raising taxes on the poorest of their citizens, cutting billions from their budget while voting to exempt wealthy seniors from income tax?

Shoot, their state government actually helps support mass transit in their biggest cities!! So how crazy could they be?

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N-GA

April 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Dumb & dumber……

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

NowReally

April 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

We it goes to show that crazy people do reside outside of the south. But, the south still holds the title and Georgia takes the prize.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

There goes Jay Bookman on his liberal hunt for conservative things he doesn’t like. Obviously he despises Georgia and is pleased to think that Arizona is WORSE than we are. Isn’t that nice?

While the country staggers under debt being loaded upon us in Washington, Bookman worries about things in Arizona.

I hope he knows that Arizona has its own special problems. A rancher on the borderline of Mexico was recently killed by illegals, thought to be members of a drug cartel. Their state is the pathway for illegal immigrants. The people of Arizona are taking care of their problems since the Feds don’t seem capable there.

Georgia is cutting taxes for those that can best adjust. Jay only wants to decide on his own who should have their taxes cut and it should not those evil old folks who saved something. He is not pleased that our state is balancing a tough budget and taxes in the best way they can.

I am sorry that Jay has to make a living in Georgia. He would be so much happier somewhere else. So many ethically pure states with the likes of Rangle, Edwards, Spitzer, Frank and others that would please Bookman. Why does he suffer here in poor lil’ Georgia??

danjonglee

April 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….especially when you dont live in a border state

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:19 pm

jay, it never ceases to amaze me, the lengths to which you’ll go, to get Americans to turn against other Americans….Georgians against Georgians.

Don’t forget Joe Biden, with a CAPITOL “D” and his delusions that the SCOTUS will HAVE TO address microchip implantation. Joe sees them as a certainty.

I haven’t landed on either side in the immigration debate, but this?

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers

Somebody needs to address immigration violations. Laws have been on the books for decades….has the federal government enforced ‘em or ignored ‘em. I-G-N-O-R-E-D!!!

Maybe there are some new “reruns” on teewee. I’ve seen yours way too many times. Jay Bookman’s Scriptures–chapter and verse.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
2:25 pm

“the lengths to which you’ll go, to get Americans to turn against other Americans….Georgians against Georgians.”

I see…so only Georgians are Americans.

“Don’t forget Joe Biden”

And this ISN’T doing what you accuse Jay of doing? Turning American against Americans? Or is it not the same because Biden is not from Georgia…so he’s not an American?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

danjonglee said, “70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….especially when you dont live in a border state”

Excuse me, but isn’t Aridumba 70% white?

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

Gnat:

I am on record for having said “I LUV JOE”. If you recall, I won jay’s contest. I predicted Joe would be Obama’s V.P. pick.

I’ve seen countless conservative pundits who say the same thing. Even Joe knows why we love him. He doesn’t reject our love. He understands it.

What is it with you?

And this ISN’T doing what you accuse Jay of doing?

Do you think jay can’t speak in his own defense or do you just like having jay’s head up your skirt?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

@@, Did you know that SB 1370 allows anyone to sue a local, county or state agency if they believe the agency is not enforcing immigration laws?

Did you know that the law also promises to have a chilling affect on the economy, with unjustifiable raids on businesses and immigrants fleeing the state as a consequence of attrition through enforcement.

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

And Gnat? Where did you ever get the idea that I see only Georgians as Americans. jay went out to the Great American West so that he could make a comparison to “ignorant” Georgia.

It’s like being “On the Road” with Charles Kurault ‘cept there’s nothing heartwarming or nostalgic about jay.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

I, too, am puzzled about this “what about Joe Biden” deranged comment…………

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:50 pm

ShavesIt:

Did you see where I haven’t come down on either side except to say that the federal government has been pretty much impotent on enforcing their own laws.

You leftists are the ones who want companies punished. Well…according to highlights of the Arizona bill, you’re gonna get what you want.

Here are the highlights:

1. No state, county, or local official can limit this bill. A loser pays provisions applies to frivolous lawsuits.

2. Requires law enforcement to make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person if that person is suspected to be illegal.

3. It’s a state crime to be illegal. You must carry an alien registration document.

4. It’s a crime for an illegal to work in Arizona.

5. It’s a crime to pick up a day laborer for work.

6. It’s a crime to harbor or shield an illegal.

Try to remember…I grew up in California where diversity left me in the minority.

Just like josef…Me and Julio (legal) were neighbors and good neighbors we were.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….

At any given moment, history has shown that 70% of voters any given state in this Union can be complete flippin’ idiots.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

arnold

April 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

I reckon I’m just a misfit. I think Georgia and Arizona politics are the pits. However, it seems the GOP in Florida may be challenging for recognition.

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:56 pm

Let me try and remember the family names on my short little street in Vacaville.

Martinez, Moreno, Vasquez, Poluto, Hensvark, Sardoz, Fazzari, Sauerwein, Perez, Padilla.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
3:02 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

I’ve never been to Arizona, so I have no idea what it’s like, but if people don’t like it there, they can always move.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Yeshaveit,

I see. You want to bring up the ol’ racial bit by saying “Andumba is 70% white”. I assume you mean Arizona implying discrimination..

You can’t even get your figures right. In 2009 according to the census, Arizona was 86.5% white with 30% of that figure being of Hispanic origin. 4.9% were American Indians.

I have spent nine summers in Arizona working with American Indians. Among my coworkers were whites, blacks and Indians. I never saw or experienced any bigotry and I traveled to all parts of the state at times. The people there were great and I found Arizona to be one of the most special places in the USA. The Grand Canyon alone would make that mark. But the desert, the mountains, the great climate and the PEOPLE there, well….I miss my summers with them.

But for you and Bookman, of course,to disparage one of the great states of this union is downright disgusting. Sit on your backwards little bit of unhappiness and dispense your low view of worthy places. But it is not a pretty sight I hope you get to see more of the USA at some time to widen your horizons and open your mind…

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Here are my thoughts on microchips;
1. If it is so trival and so unimportant why does Jay spend so much time talking about micro chips.
2. Wasn’t so long ago that medical experiments were being conductin on people against there will. Also, there were the cases of lobotomies being done on people without consent.

If this law is not needed then no harm no foul.

@@

April 24th, 2010
3:15 pm

As I recall there was a black guy (TPer) who showed up at a rally with an automatic weapon. Only people that jumped all over him were liberals. Supporters of the 2nd Amendment know no color…just their freedom to bear arms.

@@

April 24th, 2010
3:21 pm

…or maybe that’s Right to Bear Arms. I don’t know…don’t own one personally…wouldn’t know what to do with one if I did. If I were to choose a gun it’d have to have one of those little red-dot thingies. Wouldn’t want it to make a loud noise when I pulled the trigger either. If it could create a wound that eliminated blood, that would be perfect.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
3:21 pm

Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

“Gnat:”

It’s been a boring day, thanks for the laugh. I needed it. I’ll find the rest of the day more bearable for seeing your “brand” of humor. Don’t stop…I can always use a good laugh!

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

Here are my thoughts on birth certificate:
I personally do not believe we need a requirement for a person to be a natural born citizen nor do I believe Obama is not a natural born citizen.

I have to prove I a resident of the school district I live in order to enroll my kids in school so I don’t see any problem with requiring a person running for president to meet the very minimum requirements for being president.

Seems like running for president should meet the same standards as putting your kids a public school.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers, mandating that they stop and question people they suspect of being undocumented immigrants.

eewwww, cops enforcing the law, what’s the world coming to?!?!

And there’s the new gun law that allows anyone besides convicted felons to carry concealed weapons without registration or background checks.

Kewl, now when some Mexican thug comes across the border intent on a rape/ murder spree, he get’s to guess which gringo is carrying a hand cannon.

Question is, why does American citizens protecting themselves from murderous drug crazed foreign terrorists dismay Bookman so much?

Are you for American citizens being murdered in their homes, little socialist man?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:26 pm

Midori, I just finished reading that article. Thanks for the link. But I wonder how many of us here will get it? Is Whiner around? ;-)

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:37 pm

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html

Those oppressive French.

If the left or right are good for anything it is at least a laugh. If the Hispanics were not a huge voting block would anyone even care about this issue.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:43 pm

Dusty said, “But it is not a pretty sight I hope you get to see more of the USA at some time to widen your horizons and open your mind…”

Dusty, let me afford you a little edification. As far as my “horizons and open-mindedness” are concerned. I have lived in California, Georgia, New York, Texas, Maryland, Washington D.C., Canada and Japan. My maternal grandmother was born in Arizona. I have relatives now in Florida, Nevada, California and Texas. I did my basic training for the Air Force in Texas (as well as training for NSA operations there). I have visited or traveled on business to virtually every state and several foreign countries including the states, Arkansas, Pennsylvania and Washington and the countries Mexico, Italy, UK, Japan and Germany.
We also have about a 50/50 mix in my extended family as far as liberalism and conservatism is concerned. Hell, my dad voted for Nixon and hated Truman.

I think I broadened my horizons long long ago. And my mind is rather well educated and open to a number of ideas, thank you. BTW, You may not have experienced any evidence of racism in Arizona. Fine. But when a person is a member of a minority a trip to Arizona, or anyplace for that matter, can be a whole different experience.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

Twenty four years after Reagan’s amnesty for illegal aliens the neo-cons decide to take a git-tough-on approach.

Now that the high unemployment rate has replaced IEs as a mitigating factor in middle-class earnings, it’s time to throw Those People under the bus.

TaxPayer

April 24th, 2010
3:54 pm

I just finished watching Food Inc. Well worth the time.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:56 pm

Moderate Line, first of all. Hawaii’s Department of Health director has confirmed that President Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. Check the link below. Personally, I do support the requirement that candidates for the office of President of the United States be born in the US.

Now, about France and checking for documentation…uh, France is a socialist country too. Should we follow France on that? When I would beg my mother to let me do something foolish that other kids were doing, she would tell me, “If every monkey jumped off the cliff, that doesn’t mean you have to do it, too.”

That is a wise lesson. Who cares what France, Upper Mongolia or others are doing; we need to get it right here. Many countries require a domestic passport to go from one region to another (I have Russia in mind). Do we want to copy that?

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

mike

April 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Yeah, I wish Georgia was well run like California. What a joke.

Like most intolerant liberals, Jay views support for conservative ideas as a problem unto itself.

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

The same people who are oppose to attempting enforce immigration laws just passed a law requiring people to have health care or face a fine. How are we going to enforce laws requiring health insurance? If someone comes to the hospital an can’t pay are the hospitals going to their home to and drag them away.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:07 pm

Mike, last I checked, Arnold is still the Governator of California. Intolerance, you say? Come on, fellow, that Arizona “law” is the epitome of intolerance. But don’t get too comfortable with it because it is likely to be found illegal.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

Yeshavit,

So you have traveled quite a bit and acquired a broad view of the world. Well, what happened?

Well, I am not a “member of a minority” as you suggested although I was a “minority” where I worked.in Arizona.. But I can’t help but wonder when I go places and work with people of all different skin colors who live there and are happy there, how can they live there with the discrimination you insist is everywhere (YOU said”But when a person is a member of a minority a trip to Arizona, or any place for that matter, can be a whole different experience.”)

I’m sorry but I do not relate Arizona’s efforts at protection and law abiding decision as a racial effort. Evidently you do. Just your “broad view” I suppose.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Eyes,

the only thing Andy “gets” is his minimum allowance of Vodka every day :)

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:16 pm

Kamchak,

Nobody is trying to “throw illegals under the bus” as you suggested. They are trying to return them to the country they left. Evidently ILLEGAL has no meaning for you. Why is that?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:18 pm

Moderate Line said, “The same people who are oppose to attempting enforce immigration laws just passed a law requiring people to have health care or face a fine. How are we going to enforce laws requiring health insurance? If someone comes to the hospital an can’t pay are the hospitals going to their home to and drag them away.”

What? The “same people”? Let me try my hand at translation. By “the same people”, I suppose you mean people not agreeing with you? And as far as enforcement is concerned, get real; we are talking about a whole different mechanism here. The Arizona police, supposedly after some “sensitivity training”, will magically be able to discern who is an illegal alien and who is not. Oh, really? I sure would like to know that little trick. Is there going to be a manual somewhere titled “What An Illegal Alien Looks Like”? Are we talking enforcement or forcing a waste of police resources and tax payers monies?

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:24 pm

Theyeshaveit,

There you go. “Arizona law is the epitome of intolerance.” It is a match for the law of the USA on illegal aliens. How much tolerance for people illegal do you want? Open borders?

Midori,
Don’t you get a little tired of accusing Andy of drinking? You there watching him? You need a new line. That one is overworked.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

Dusty, the Arizona law requires police to identify illegal aliens, but that begs the question, “What does an illegal alien look like?” Clearly, despite what the Arizona governor said in her cop out speech on the matter, this will require racial profiling. That means legal residents of the state who in the eyes of the police look illegal are going to be stopped and asked for documentation. Let’s borrow from the content of Midori’s link for a moment. Suppose that in some fictitious state of this union, we had a largely Hispanic population which bordered Canada. Canadians, mostly white I think we can agree, have been crossing into that fictitious state illegally. Now, one day, you travel into that fictitious state and get pulled over by a Hispanic policeman who perceives you to be one of those damn Canadians crossing the border illegally. How you gonna feel, Dusty?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:34 pm

Dusty, sorry, the Arizona law is not a match for US law regarding immigration. The Arizona legislators (by the way, only one Republican voted against the bill) would have us believe that, but it is not the case. No US laws on immigration allow for racial profiling. The Arizona law does.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Midori, btw, nihongo wakarimasu ka?

NowReally

April 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Arizona is a lawsuit waiting to happen and the taxpayers who support this law will be paying just like those who do not.

There are hundreds and probably millions of documented cases of driving while “minority” and we expect policemen to make decisions on whom to check or request immigration status. In 2010, I’m sure there are millions of legal immigrants in the state of Arizona who will be forced into submitting to this injustice law.
I foresee a false arrest, harrassment and intimidation lawsuit, by a legal citizen who happens to be an immigrant. The settlement will be in the millions.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

NowReally, I agree. But that is only the tip of litigation iceberg. The Arizona law also allows for anyone, and I mean anyone, to sue local, country, state and, I believe, federal agencies that perceived not to be enforcing the Arizona law. What a waste of time and money.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

Midori, I just finished reading that article. Thanks for the link.

I read it as well, and was glad to see I wasn’t the only one out there asking that same question.

As for this stupid AZ law, as the A-man pointed out: “Have fun, Arizona. The only way for them to avoid endless civil rights law suits is if the cops harass large numbers of white people too. Enjoy!”

Midori

April 24th, 2010
4:45 pm

here’s another old line from the past, Crusty: got broom?

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
4:46 pm

“The only way for them to avoid endless civil rights law suits is if the cops harass large numbers of white people too. ”

Do I see identity cards for ALL citizens in the future? Either that or everyone will have to carry proof they are citizens…which amounts to the same thing.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:49 pm

It turns out that the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposed SB1070. Check this link for more information on their opposition.

http://bataraonimmigration.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/immigration-politics-in-arizona-the-wild-wild-west/

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:53 pm

Doggone, next thing you’ll know is there will be border police waiting for you in Florida, to check your domestic passport.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

Plain and simple, you find what you go looking for where. Arizona and Georgia, while certainly full to overflowing with fine examples of just how dingbat any society can be, are no different from the other 57 states and if we look from our living rooms across the Bering Strait, we’ll see that our neighbors are no different. It’s what makes us human and part of the great community of homo sapiens.

Reactionary legislation goes with the territory of societies possessed of legislative assemblies. What seems like plain nuttiness in one society may not in another.

Stepping one step farther, what is a minority in one perspective may not be in another. Labels are a tricky thing. Let’s just take the term “Hispanic.” I am listed on my documents requiring such designation. I’m Sephardic and even speak a little Ladino and, in three lines, have identifiably Iberian surnames. Now while “Hispanic” is a ticket to the back of the bus in most circles, in circles for which Sephardic has significance, it’s a front-row seat complete with all the uppity benefits. The same with Unmentionable. As soon as he says “Indian,” he’s marked for the reservation, but once on the reservation, when he says “Cherokee,” he’s top of the heap. And so it goes.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

“Labels are a tricky thing”

Yep. And I could BE an illegal immigrant and no one would think twice about stopping me. They wouldn’t do it. I’m as European looking as I “should” be – German and English as far back as we can trace.

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

Kneel, Dusty and feel the power of my trickle-down policies.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:02 pm

eyes…

You mention Canada and illegals. I went to school on the Canadian border. A night on the town was to go into Vancouver. Going either direction, we were profiled. Not, I might add, in a particularly mean fashion, we were never treated badly on either side by the immigration authorities. However, in the border check coming in, let one of us drop in an unwary “eh” or a Tidewater “oot and aboot” and your documents went through extra check. Given that the area in which we lived was about the whitest spot in North America, if you were dark-skinned and spoke with a Louisiana patois, the Canadians double checked to make sure you weren’t a Caribbean “slipping in” and on your way to join up with that pesky lot of quebecois…and so it goes….

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:02 pm

ShavesIt:

The federal government will soon start profiling as a security measure at airports. This administration is good to go on THAT one.

Under the new measures to begin this month, which will apply to US citizens as well, the level of screening of travellers [sic] will depend on how closely their personal characteristics match against intelligence on potential terrorists.

The current “no-fly” list is to remain in place under the new procedures, but supplemented by cross-referenced information that may see passengers subject to further screening even if their names are not flagged, the Wall Street Journal said.

Characteristics such as nationality, age, recently visited countries, and partial names will be used alongside the “no-fly” list, the Journal said.–AFP

Personal characteristics? Characteristics such as nationality?

No matter what they say, it’s profiling.

Now I know that SCOTUS has ruled in favor of sobriety checkpoints although some states have said it violates their state’s constitution.

Although the U.S. Supreme Court has found sobriety checkpoints to be constitutionally permissible, eleven states have found that sobriety roadblocks violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. Opposition to sobriety roadblocks is generally stronger among civil libertarians, conservatives and libertarians.

But…

Vehicular and pedestrian traffic that approach with the intent of passing flying checkpoints can be asked to produce identification and submit to a search of their persons and/or vehicle. In some cases, people without proper identification or who arouse suspicion may be refused passage, detained, or arrested.

Has anyone seen how this bill (checkpoint) is set up? Unless you have, who’s to say it’s unconstitutional given the federal government’s recent decision?

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

I love it when my fellow Republicans do stuff like this. It makes them appear more as they really are.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

josef, speaking of persepctive, I recall the movie Little Big Man staring Dustin Hoffman. Did you ever see that film? Dustin’s character had been captured by Cheyenne Indians when he was a boy and raised among them. One day, he is talking to his adoptive grandfather, a wise man in the tribe. He tells Dustin of how many peoples have come and gone, “First there was the Spaniard.” he says, “and then the Mexican and now the white man..” Dustin interrupts his grandfather at this point and says to him, “But grandfather, today I saw the pony soldiers and there was one black man.” “Ah, yes, ” said the grandfather, “the black white man.”

By the way, “Cheyenne” in their own language means “human beings”. Brings up a thought, doesn’t it? And also, don’t you think that in light of all the folly on this planet that we should drop the moniker “homo sapiens” as the latter word means “thinking” or “wise”.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

Theyeshaveit.

I’d probably be uneasy.. But….If the police ask me for legal documents I figure they are doing their job. Therefore I have the documents that are required. I stay out of trouble by abiding by the law, including passports, licenses, insurance, etc.

I once got a speeding ticket in Texas on my way to Arizona. Were they after me because I had a Georgia license, a Southern accent and a load of luggage? NO, they stopped me because I was speeding. Get it? Police enforce the laws. Citizens make the laws.

If police in Arizona stop a car with a broken headlight, they will ask for a drivers license. If there’s a smell of marijuana or have a car almost dragging the ground with a load or look like you are Hispanic and can hardly speak English, they may ask for proof that everything is legal..

That is what illegals have done for legal citizens in this country. They have set up suspicions for anyone from their own side of the border.

Now come the drug cartels along with the hard working people who come for work. It is a sad situation for which there is no easy answer. Arizona is simply trying to keep peace and tranquility that is lost wihen anarchy and .lawlessness arise.

Have a good evening. . .

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:06 pm

I need a glass of tea. I feel drained from marking so much territory.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:10 pm

Many years ago, I was stopped in Canadian customs and subjected to a 30 minute vehicle search as well as having my suitcase rummaged through. That wasn’t particularly upsetting to me, as I was a guest in their country and they were protecting their borders. They were very polite and professional through the whole thing and afterwards, I actually had a nice chat with the guy who seemed to be heading the search (3 or 4 people were doing the searching). I asked him, why he picked us out of the line to search and he said our vehicle was similar to one that had come through a couple weeks before that had been caught with contraband (I assumed he meant drugs but he didn’t say). Now maybe that was so and maybe it was just a standard explanation. Either way it was their country I was in, so I figured I had to abide by their rules.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:12 pm

Doggone–

SoCo and I were talking about this the other day. These tactics target the brown and particularly the Latino brown. Some of the largest groups of undocumented are the Irish, Poles and West Africans, and Caribbeans. They don’t stand out in appearance and go largely unmolested. Brown and/or Spanish speaking or Spanish surnamed do “raise the red flag.” I have a close friend from New Mexico whose family goes back to the founding of Santa Fe. Spanish surnamed, Spanish speaking and pigmentally impaired, she’s quite used to being “put through the paces” when, say in Minnesota, and stopped by Sven Karlsson whose grandparents immigrated in the late 1800s and who still speaks his native English with a pronounced Scandanavian accent…but he’s blond and blue-eyed, so no problem…

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:13 pm

“I was stopped in Canadian customs and subjected to a 30 minute vehicle search as well as having my suitcase rummaged through”

Heck, I’ve been stopped and searched right here in the good ole USA. They never would tell me why, but since I was driving my van…which is the biggest one Ford sells…I suspect they were checking for vanloads of illegals. They were quite surprised to open it up and find a van full of dogs. But they did the search anyway, including checking under the van with mirrors.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:16 pm

Doggone

Did they have a warrant or did you give permission to search?

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

“Did they have a warrant or did you give permission to search?”

Oh, I gave permission. We were at a traffic stop, it was hot, and it wasn’t worth it to fight. I was more worried about the dogs getting too hot than I was them finding anything. There wasn’t anything to find anyway.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

eyes–

Love that movie…”Ah, yes, the black white man. Not as ugly, but every bit as crazy!”

As for perspective…the normally stoic Unmentionable will go into a spluttering, near apoplectic savage seizure at the mere mention of the Buffalo Soldiers as “heroes…” One group’s page of glory is another’s greatest tragedy…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:19 pm

Will it work? For a long time, Tea Partiers were racists. Everybody knows that when you say “I’m becoming very concerned about unsustainable levels of federal spending” that that’s old Jim Crow code for “Let’s get up a lynching party and teach that uppity Negro a lesson.”-MarkSteyn

Or when you say you don’t want to see your health care system get run down by a bunch of freeloaders, you don’t want your kid crowded out at public school by a bunch of foreigners fleeing from their decrepit educational system, you prefer not to be murdered in cold blood in your humble abode, you think that when some socialist “news” paper editorialist wants to ride the choo choo he should pay the full fare like you do for your automobile instead of mooching off the public dole and when you think your president should be a native born citizen instead of a radical Muslim terrorist hellbent on destroying the country that you love, you’re “crazy,” like Bookman preposterously suggests.

I guess when your ideas can’t stand up to civil debate, just sayin….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:19 pm

Dusty- Knowing how liberals are, diMmy is probably blasted on Maddog 20/20 and is stuck on stupid, just sayin…

She tries though.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:20 pm

Doggone

I was just curious; you don’t seem like the type they’d have a warrant for. Me, I’m just obstinate enough and hard headed enough, I’d have made them go get one.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:21 pm

Yep, Midori, brooms and witches are your overworked favorites. But, when the mind stalls, then dribble out the usual.

GWB, you are so cute. Still hanging on to Bush, aren’t you? Same advice for you: When the minds stalls, dribble out the usual.

JOSEF, I know how you feel about immigration but I am going to read your book ANYWAY. See how frivolous and full of folly I am!

I’ve GOT to get BUSY….pull the sails, draw the anchor and get ready for the big storm tonight. Gonna be a good one I hear.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:21 pm

eyes

My grandfather always said of certain behaviors and actions “s/he makes you question the use of the term sapiens!”

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:23 pm

“you don’t seem like the type they’d have a warrant for”

Yep, as I said I’m not likely to be a victim of “racial” profiling. I think this time it was a case of “vehicle profiling” – I have a big cargo van, with an extended roof and not many windows. It’s not beat up, but it’s no spring chicken either…just right for transporting a bucket-load of people.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
5:25 pm

Evidently ILLEGAL has no meaning for you. Why is that?

I’ve been in the construction biz since 1978. Only now are the neo-cons expressing poutrage about the ILLEGALS in this country. Why is that?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:28 pm

DUSTY

Batten down the hatches! I just got in from seeing after the three neighbors’ cats and all were pretty skitzy…they know what’s coming…even Mustafa is sticking close today….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:28 pm

You got two choices, the Mexicans coming over the border to kill Americans, or the Americans they are coming to kill.

Notice who Bookman sides up with?

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:33 pm

Andy @ 5:19

YES…..that, too.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:35 pm

K’chak–
For the same reason the liberals and moderates are. With the downturn in the economy, the illegals are being viewed as competitors for the service industry jobs instead of a cheap source of labor. Much the same as back when we shipped off 2.5 million brought here to do the dirt work during the war and then, too, documentation was surperfluous. Among those 2.5 million were some 250,000 native born US citizens who, well, just were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And one of the things we’re not really dealing with is the high unemployment rate among “those people.” Up and at ‘em at the construction site or restaurant kitchen at the crack of dawn and they don’t have much time left to get restless…all day long to contemplate the matter? They could get dangerous in short order…

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:35 pm

Aren’t you leftists in favor of cutting back on foreign aid (selectively, of course)?

Only now are the neo-cons expressing poutrage about the ILLEGALS in this country. Why is that?

With economic conditions what they are, maybe it’s the “charity” begins at home argument. Leftists are all about charity.

I think it’s human nature. Fewer resources, fewer opportunities.

If it makes everyone feel better, I guarantee….if I was a resident of Arizona, I’d be stopped for being brown. Almost black in late summer. I certainly wasn’t behind the door when melanin was handed out.

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:36 pm

Oops! straight up after Why is that?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:45 pm

A little personal story in profiling and how it plays out in practice. A while back I was at the local Publix and ran into a colleague from Colombia. She lives in the neighborhood in one of the nicer houses, has her PhD from Emory and she and I were talking about “Los Funerales de la Mama Grande” in relation to the influences of William Faulkner. We were speaking Spanish. The fellow shoppers shot us looks of undisguised “those people” antipathy, going so far as the pull their little ones closer. A few days later, I was in the same Publix and ran into one of my friends from Down Home. We were going off on one of the neighbor’s scandals, speaking French peppered with the most vulgar of terminologies and maraudering with glee and abandon the French acceptable to the academie. Passers-by shot us looks of undisguised ooh-aah… in the first case they’d have turned us in, in the second case they’d have invited us to dinner…

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
5:47 pm

josef

Yes I know these things. Not only did I lose work to Those People, but when I did get work, home builders were able to set sub-contractor rates with the threat of “If you wont do the job for that price, I can find illegals who will.” Now that high unemployment rates has supplanted the illegals as a control on “blue-collar” wages, it has now become “politically correct” to target illegal aliens to score points with those who have experienced job/wage pressures connected to those same laissez-faire policies over the past twenty five to thirty years.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:49 pm

I would have run that South Park episode on a continuous 24/7/365 day loop, over and over again with no commercial interruptions, after which I would have loaded the Beretta PX Storm .45 ACP with 265 grain hollow points and then sat out on the front porch, just sayin…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:50 pm

I day dream about center massing little Akmed, just saying…

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:52 pm

Josef

I, too, have a friend who is a legal immigrant from Columbia. This person is more adamantly opposed to illegal immigration than most people that I know. This person feels like people are jumping the line and getting ahead of those who are following the law.

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
5:55 pm

I’ve said it before. If we enforce the law that makes it illegal to employ illegal aliens, then the problem will be solved. If there is no work here, then most if not all illegals will need to leave. However, the penalty for employing illegals without having attempted to verify their status should be sufficiently punitive that it acts as a deterrent.

If someone is required to provide proper ID (say, during a traffic stop), illegals should be taken into custody and deported after paying a substantial fine and have their vehicle impounded. If there is a debt owed on the vehicle, the lender will lose title to the vehicle because they should not have made a loan to an illegal alien.

All that to say that economic pressure (no jobs, fines, etc.) will solve the problem. Unfortunately the GOP would rather trample on personal freedoms instead of putting pressure on business to comply with the law. Nothing new about that…………

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

GWB, you are so cute. Still hanging on to Bush, aren’t you? Same advice for you: When the minds stalls, dribble out the usual.

Who else can I hang on if not myself. Now say you still love me and trust me and believe in me.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:59 pm

Unfortunately the GOP would rather trample on personal freedoms instead of putting pressure on business to comply with the law

I would expand that to include both parties. Republicans see them as cheap labor; Democrats see them as future votes.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:00 pm

Andy – let me phrase this so you will understand: *hic*

Dusty – and your little dog, too!!!

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
6:01 pm

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:03 pm

Hillbilly…I disagree about Democrats seeing them as future votes. Just look at the South Florida Cuban community. More rabid Republicans cannot be found anywhere.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:03 pm

Speaking of the South Park episode…I was talking to one of my Muslim neighbors who said, “I was a lot less offended by that than I have been by their irreverance to Christians and Jews.” Then he made a joke that we shouldn’t worry too much though since the Second Amendment gives us the “right to bear arms…” Then he went on to do an Emily Litella routine…”that’s b-e-a-r arms…oh, that’s very different then…what’s all this fuss about the appendages of certain forest animals…” :-)

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

I did not know the Mexicans were now coming over the border to kill us…

Sigh!.. So many wingnut fears to keep up with, throw that one on the pile as well…

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:06 pm

Hi Kammy :)

a nice, slow rainy day huh?

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

RW Troll,

Andy has a million of them.

I’ve never seen a “supposed” strong and virile “male” so scared of every effing thing!!!

No wonder he drinks.

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

“I would have run that South Park episode on a continuous 24/7/365 day loop, over and over again with no commercial interruptions, after which I would have loaded the Beretta PX Storm .45 ACP with 265 grain hollow points and then sat out on the front porch, just sayin…”

Of course you would Andy… Of course you would…

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

Except porch dogs usually hide under the porch…

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:09 pm

Troll….That would be Andy Hutaree, you know.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:10 pm

N-GA

The South Florida Cuban community is somewhat different, in my opinion. A lot of them or their parents came from Cuba shortly after the fall of Batista or later in the Boatlift. A lot of the people who came in the early 60’s after the rise of Fidel were upper or middle class people. It’s a different situation. I think many of them are staunch Republicans because, in their eyes, the Democrats were more accomodating to Fidel. Rightly or wrongly, I think that’s why they are so heavily Republican.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:10 pm

I wonder if IR/YW eats tacos or enchiladas?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

Hillbilly
Your analysis of the Cuban American community is, in my opinion, quite to the point. You find a very similar pattern among the Colombians, Argentines, Chileans and Uruguayans…it’s a matter of class interest.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

I wonder if IR/YW eats tacos or enchiladas?

I just wonder who taught him about firearms. When I was coming up, I was taught, “if you’re gonna pull it, you damn well better use it”.

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:15 pm

Hillbilly – The real question is: Do you believe economic pressure would significantly reduce the illegal immigrant problem?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

Hillbilly

Same here. I was taught never to throw the first punch, but once it was thrown, go for the jugular so to speak.

And folks, let me point out something about this particular bill…it contains a provision to prosecute those who give aid and shelter to illegals…that means that if Julio and I are having a few drinks and he has to crash at my house, I could be hauled in for not having checked his status…that, friends and foes alike, is very dangerous, the antithesis to what hospitality means and will build walls at a time when building bridges is of supreme importance…

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

Josef, I think Midori would say, “Not unless he can get them in liquid form.”

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

Hillbilly – I realize it is a matter of spin, but I think you have it backwards with regard to the Miami Cuban loyalties. Even when the Democrats had the White House and the Congress, they did nothing to make life easier for Castro. To make your point just a little more accurate, the Cuban exile community pulls on the GOP oars because the GOP is fervently anti-Castro…..they never miss an opportunity to bash him. I even suspect they funnel money and intel to those anti-Castro groups.

danjonglee

April 24th, 2010
6:22 pm

when did Louis F’s million man march occur.? I was thinking it was in 2000 or 2001….

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

N-GA

Yes, I’m in agreement with you on that. I’ve stated on here before that I think anybody who knowingly hires an illegal or doesn’t show due diligence in determining if someone is legal, should be fined $50,000 per illegal employee. Neither party has shown any interest in pursuing that course. It shouldn’t be like it is now, where they deport the illegal and nothing happens to the employer, who then, in many cases, just hires another illegal.

I believe, and I thought the same at the time, that Reagan’s amnesty program in the 80’s was a mistake and that it would open the flood gates. They were going to seal the border and offer a path to citizenship for those already here (sort of like they say now) but they only did half of it. They never closed the border and the reason they didn’t was to keep downward pressure on wages, especially blue collar wages.

Of course nobody on this blog knew me at the time, but in the late 80’s, early 90’s, I also said that if we really wanted to solve the problem, we’d do what we could to try to help Mexico build up its economy. If they could make a decent living there, most wouldn’t have any interest in coming here. Of course, there is only so much you can do to help a foreign country, but we could have made a better effort.

@@

April 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

I gotta share this. There’s a house on the way to a friends in SE Atlanta. Gotta be old hippies with tons of weird yard art and a sign that, prominently placed, that says “WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER”. Ride by the other day and what do I see? Latinos cleaning up the yard and BOY did that yard need some cleaning!!!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:25 pm

N-GA

On the Cuban thing, I’m just going on what I have been told by people, I know, who came from Cuba. I’ll grant you that’s a very small number of people but what they’ve told me is what I base that on.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
6:28 pm

” also said that if we really wanted to solve the problem, we’d do what we could to try to help Mexico build up its economy. ”

I’ve been saying that for years. If we want to stop the economic disparities that fuel illegal immigration then economic incentives to stay home should be at least as good as those that now lead to jumping the boarder. And that means raising those economies.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:28 pm

danjonglee

According to a quick Google, it was 1995.

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

So someone against war is automatically an “Old Hippy” nowadays???

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

Doggone and Hillbilly

I am in agreement with y’all on the investment in the economies south of our border. The point “if we want to stop_________ ” and fill in the blank, is the central issue. We DON’T want to stop it. It’s in our own vested self-interest not to. That’s why this round of “reform” will be no more effective than any of the previous ones….

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

I’ve stated on here before that I think anybody who knowingly hires an illegal or doesn’t show due diligence in determining if someone is legal, should be fined $50,000 per illegal employee.

Sound good on the surface, but doesn’t solve the problem, at least not in the new home business. The builder has maybe two employees at most, a superintendent and a clean-up person—the subs are the ones that build the house. I say make the property owner responsible and fines aren’t the answer. Zero tolerance and mandatory minimums at Reidsville.

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

I think Bosch is trying to help the Mexican economy by purchasing personal farm products from them. Unfortunately there are unintended consequences.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

“We DON’T want to stop it. It’s in our own vested self-interest not to. ”

That’s exactly right. And I’m in agreement with fining the employers. Unless, and until, we make it economically painful to hire illegals immigrants, it’s not going to end. And “closing the border” ain’t gonna happen either. You can’t build a wall high enough that someone can’t build a ladder a foot taller.

@@

April 24th, 2010
6:35 pm

Older Cubans lived under an oppressive government. They don’t wanna see the same repeated here. They’re also a very generous people….liberal in many ways, but they accept the responsibility as theirs, not the government’s. They know where that leads.

Dave R.

April 24th, 2010
6:35 pm

“At any given moment, history has shown that 70% of voters any given state in this Union can be complete flippin’ idiots.”

Sure was proven with a majority of voters in November of 2008.

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
6:36 pm

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:18 pm
++++++++++++++++++
Moderate Line said, “The same people who are oppose to attempting enforce immigration laws just passed a law requiring people to have health care or face a fine. How are we going to enforce laws requiring health insurance? If someone comes to the hospital an can’t pay are the hospitals going to their home to and drag them away.”

By “the same people”, I suppose you mean people not agreeing with you?
I disagree with both the left and right so that statement doesn’t make sense from my perspective. I don’t think the law should be passed. It is one of the populist laws being passed because the government is so ineffective at preventing illegal aliens from entering the country. My guess the law will accomplish nothing because police won’t enforce it.

It just seem ironic that you have no problem with the government wasting resources fining people for not having insurance but oppose to using resources to stop illegal immigration no matter what mechanism is used. You will still have to find a way to enforce it. I have been to countries where you are required to keep identification on your legallity to be in their country.

Your mistake is assuming if someone disagrees with you they are a conservative which you translate as beings stupid and evil. My views on immigration are quit liberal and so are my views on health care. All my in-laws are from another country. However, when I see I a contradiction I call it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:41 pm

Kamchak

I understand about the construction business. My view would be, hold the contractor responsible. He knows who his subs are and who their employees are. In most cases, the contractor is having his cake and eating it too. He claims to one person he doesn’t know, while threatening people such as yourself, with replacing you with illegals.

As for holding the property owner responsible, I can see good and bad in that. If it’s a developer, I’d go along with you, it’s his business and he should know. On the other hand, what of a person who is hiring someone to build a house for themselves? I was going to hire somebody once to do a job, and point blank asked them if their employees were legals and was assured that they were. I happened to find out that, that wasn’t the case, so I called him and told him he’d lost the job. What if I hadn’t found out? I had directly asked and was lied to.

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:43 pm

There are at least 2 government-maintained databases available to help verify immigrant status. I understand one matches name with SSN (not a look-up….it requires both the name and a number to verify a match or report a mismatch). I believe the other validates green cards. They are not perfect, but they weed out a lot of people with fraudulent papers.

If there was more effort put into making those databases more accurate (and inter-agency cooperation mandatory), then it would help employers snag illegal immigrants more quickly. If the employer can prove that a database search was done with no red flags, then they should be clean (assuming they had no other reason to believe/suspect the employee was an illegal).

One example of improving the databases would be to have the system flag SSN’s that are being reported from different areas of the country.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:49 pm

still bitter, Dave?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:50 pm

Employers have no problem “snagging” the illegals…they’re the one’s who’ll do the job for subminimum wage or, in case of skilled labor, half the going rate…

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:54 pm

moderate–
Your points are well taken and, I assume, you don’t go by the latest memo either.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
6:56 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

The point is that you acted responsibly. That example of hands on approach is the very thing that led you to discover hiring practices that you found objectionable. I’m not quite sure what you mean by contractor. In the new home biz a developer will develop the property while the builders will come in a “take down” lots, agreeing to build X number of homes. Many of the builders had the same hands on approach, but knew full well and encouraged subs to use illegals.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:00 pm

I know this one is a bit harebrained, but are you going to ask for papers at the Burger King drive through before ordering your Whopper? It is, after all, “aiding and abetting.”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 24th, 2010
7:02 pm

Well, I’m glad to see they’re cracking down on the illegals. It’s OK for them to do stuff like chicken plucking and yard mowing and the other stuff us rednecks don’t want to do, but I draw the line at giving them any rights in this country. We got standards, you know. Some of them might could get uppity and want a job us rednecks will do.

So it’s OK with me if they want to pull over people that look like they might could be Mexicans. Long as they don’t pull over upstanding people like me. Specially after I get a snootful down at Billy Bob’s and am just trying to find my way home.

Have a good Saturday night everybody and be sure to go to church tomorrow to pray that all the penniless Mexicans get hauled back to Mexico. God wouldn’t of wanted us to take care of them anyway and add to the tax burden.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
7:05 pm

Specially after I get a snootful down at Billy Bob’s and am just trying to find my way home.

RC (R–apoi)—I would think that as a resident of Forsyth Co. you would be a regular at Roosters in Cumming.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:06 pm

Redneck

The song says that “Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight…” Don’t say nuthin’ ’bout no brown ones, so, there…WWJD?

@@

April 24th, 2010
7:06 pm

The crackdown on companies that hire illegals started back in 2006, but of course, that was on Bush’s watch. The same Bush that had previously proposed Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Some companies out in California even used a law to target other companies, pointing to the unfair advantage when it comes to competition.

It’s kinda weird. Leftists want the companies punished (as they should be) but the end result is the same. Illegals get caught in the net.

You guys leave me confused. Basically what you’re saying is you want ‘em gone, you just wanna redirect attention so it looks nice.

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
7:08 pm

If the government can’t keep millions of illegal aliens out of the country how can they stop 1 terrorist because that is all it takes to create a big boom.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:10 pm

@@

Amen, Sister! I don’t put much faith in any of those harping this, that and the other, ever-so-ignorant of the cost on the ground to those millions who came here under the wink-wink policies, In my opinion it is a lot of smug piety…me? Well, I’ll probably be hauled in as a stop on the Underground Railroad of the time and place…

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
7:12 pm

Rooster’s is a tad expensive for my tastes. ;-)

@@

April 24th, 2010
7:13 pm

Uh Oh, another bank closure and this one hits close to home for Democrats.

Illinois regulators Friday shuttered a Chicago bank closely tied to the Democratic candidate running for President Barack Obama’s former U.S. Senate seat.

Broadway Bank is owned by the family of Illinois state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, who is locked in a competitive race in this year’s elections. His role at the institution has become a central issue in the race.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703709804575202750103328946.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_business

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
7:14 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

Great burgers.

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
7:20 pm

Another thought I had. Are not the police suppose to investigate crimes if the have a reasonable suspicion that one has occurred. Isn’t that the case with any crime?

Do we really need a law requiring the police to investigate crimes?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
7:20 pm

Kamchak

They are good but you ought to go A & M and get you some chicken n’ dumplins. Cheaper and mighty fine eating.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:21 pm

To the compassionate conservatives…a personal vignette from the front lines…
A few years back we had a illegal parent arrested and held for deportation. Her good for nuthin man had left her with five little ones, all born in the US. The oldest was 12 and every day he was getting the little ones up and bringing them to school. When one of our parents heard about it, she went, got all five of them and brought them to her home. She went to the incredible expense of immigration lawyers, threading a bureaucratic nightmare. She and her husband were eventually able to get legal custody, the mom was sent back to Mexico. They have brought the kids up, provided them not just with a food, clothing and shelter, but a loving home and are sending them to the finest colleges now. Compassionate conservatives? These two are as GOP as the day is long, pro-life practicing Catholics and about as white as you can get. But I’ll take them over those who talk the other line but won’t walk the walk…

@@

April 24th, 2010
7:28 pm

Well, josef, throw Cesar Chavez, a sweetheart of the left, and you get a stray piece to the puzzle.

Cesar Chavez, co-founder of the United Farm Workers (UFW) Union opposed illegal immigration, claiming it undermined efforts to unionize farm workers and improve working conditions and wages for American citizen workers. The UFW reported illegal immigrants to the Immigration and Naturalization Service. In 1969, Chavez led a march along the U.S.-Mexico border to protest farmers’ use of illegal aliens.

They want their unions but not illegals.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
7:28 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

It’s been a while since I’ve been to Rooster’s. One of the subdivisions I worked in was about five miles north of Cumming on 20. We would go to Rooster’s on Friday when we had to go into town to get the check cashed. I’m not familiar with A & M.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
7:29 pm

Hole says-

I did not know the Mexicans were now coming over the border to kill us…

Sigh!.. So many wingnut fears to keep up with, throw that one on the pile as well…

Well, surprise, surprise, hole is ignorant on another subject, gosh, who would have thunk it?

In addition to the 4,380 that are murdered by illegals every year, 4,754 are killed by drunken illegal immigrant drivers. Data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research has led a number of groups and researchers to this conclusion, including Rep. Steve King who released numbers determining that 4,380 U.S. citizens are murdered annually by illegal immigrants.

And here I thought any idiot would know this, hahhahahahahaha.

@@

April 24th, 2010
7:29 pm

Let me finish that thought. a sweetheart of the left into the mix…

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:30 pm

On a different and more heartwarming topic…for those of y’all looking for a good read, “Bruce Feiler’s The Council of Dads: My Daughters, My Illness, and the Men Who Could Be Me” hits the shelves Monday. Got an advance copy and I recommed it very, very highly. One of the reasons I’ve been in a good mood these last few days…

mvale

April 24th, 2010
7:30 pm

Phoenix, Arizona, number 2 in violent kidnappings in the WORLD! Don’t judge unless you live there.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
7:32 pm

@@
And, final analysis, we see how far Chavez got, too…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
7:38 pm

ASHLAND, Wis. | Rep. David Obey has won 21 straight races, easily prevailing through wars and economic crises that have spanned presidencies from Nixon to Obama. Yet the discontent with Washington surging through politics is now threatening not only his seat but Democratic control of Congress.

Obey is one of nearly a dozen well-established House Democrats who are bracing for something they rarely face: serious competition. Their predicament is the latest sign of distress for their party and underlines why Republicans are confident of big gains in November, and perhaps even winning back the House.

Just sayin…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
7:47 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration

All the “crazy” people in the world, geez.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
7:52 pm

But interviews with more than a dozen soldiers and health care professionals from Fort Carson’s transition unit, along with reports from other posts, suggest that the units are far from being restful sanctuaries. For many soldiers, they have become warehouses of despair, where damaged men and women are kept out of sight, fed a diet of powerful prescription pills and treated harshly by noncommissioned officers. Because of their wounds, soldiers in Warrior Transition Units are particularly vulnerable to depression and addiction, but many soldiers from Fort Carson’s unit say their treatment there has made their suffering worse.

Welcome to government health “care,” y’all!

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
7:54 pm

Kamchak

It probably wasn’t there last time you were there, then. Was across town but now it’s just up from Rooster’s and right across from the graveyard.

RW-(the original)

April 24th, 2010
7:54 pm

If you recall, I won jay’s contest. I predicted Joe would be Obama’s V.P. pick.

Geez, @@. I got Sarah Palin right so at best it’s a tie, but the degree of difficulty in my correct pick surely puts me ahead of a Biden pick.

(ISH)

@@

April 24th, 2010
8:02 pm

RW:

Agreed! The degree of difficulty goes to you. I’ll accept nothing short of a tie though. I’ve always taken great pleasure in being tied to you.

(IWH)

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
8:03 pm

Hmmm Cubans as Democrats. Not many. They haven’t forgotten Elian Gonzales quite yet thanks to Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. I read a recent report on Elian , now a teen ager. He is an icon of sorts in Cuba with special privileges. Gives them a little more strutting propaganda against the USA.

If you want to review the costs coming from illegal aliens go to Google and bring up “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigrants”. Illegals may help the business man but their costs to Americans is extensive. The amount of money they ship out of America is also extensive. Read it yourself. One example: Gwinnett County is having a big problem with Hispanic Gangs. Whether they are illegals, I don’t know. Most people assume that they are. Some gang members are killers.

Josef, your story only happens at uppity groceries these days. I shop at a small grocery chain store and I am one of the few that speaks English. I don’t mind. They are enjoying themselves (usually), both customers and clerks. They are very polite and switch to English when they see me. I like the prices and that is where I go. My money is in English and they don’t mind that either.

Your story about the family taking in the five children is a good story. My Colombian son-in-law (very LEGAL) told us about one of the men he met in business who has a mistress here with children and a wife and children in Mexico. The man is getting all tangled up in several problems, one being he is here illegally and not making much money now. Getting to America illegally is not always a “bed of roses” to them or us “legals”.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
8:07 pm

I’ve always taken great pleasure in being tied to you

So many lines; so little time. (IW&SH)

@ all right wingers

April 24th, 2010
8:08 pm

Where were you when our freedoms were being stripped by the patriot act and our debt was being run through the roof for a war we still haven’t received a logical explanation for, other than lucrative contracts for donating conservative contractors?

You people are brown and black hate monger offspring of the hate mongers who promoted Jim Crow as recently as 50 years ago. Stop masking and just tell the truth about your agenda.

@@

April 24th, 2010
8:17 pm

Hillbilly:

So many lines

Naahhh, just one line. I’ve gotta breathe.

Let me ask you a question….totally off topic. Have you ever smelled freshly baled tobacco? In the video is still looks moist, not dried and crumbly so make that freshly baled, moist tobacco.

RW-(the original)

April 24th, 2010
8:18 pm

I’ve always taken great pleasure in being tied to you.

Oh my…….

@@

April 24th, 2010
8:20 pm

Philosophically speaking, RW. Course, since we’re both tall we’d probably kill the competition in a three-legged race.

@@

April 24th, 2010
8:22 pm

Oh CRAP! Forget I said anything about three-legged.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
8:22 pm

@@

I don’t know much about tobacco farming. A few people I knew grew a little for their own use but it was before my time. North GA didn’t get much in the way of tobacco allotments. It was a solid Democratic area, so FDR gave the allotments to East TN, which was heavily Republican. Vote buying is nothing new.

Summit Dawg

April 24th, 2010
8:23 pm

Jay Bookman, you liberal A——! Shut up and get a real job!!!!

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
8:23 pm

Gotta run…have folks in Yazoo and can’t get through yet….hopefully they’re okay…looking at the film it doesn’t appear to have hit their part of town…

Pope UGA XXIII

April 24th, 2010
8:25 pm

The Arizona legislature has taken a bold step in ridding our
country of poeple that are not entitled to be here. Something
that our excuse of a Congress doesn’t seem to have the will
to do since it would cost the liberal pukes votes.
Since 70 +% of their population approves of this, Bookman,
why don’t you drive out there and tell them how “cruel and
mean-spirited” they are. Don’t forget your papers and watch
out for the Mexican gangs that are in Arizona now.
“Oh, if we could only tell them that we really care
about them and their future.”.
Yeah, right.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
8:28 pm

I can’t remember ever quoting this Glibertarian rag before, but what the hey, seems pertinent.

It’s no surprise that Arizonans resent the recent influx of unauthorized foreigners, some of them criminals. But there is less here than meets the eye.

The state has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants. But contrary to myth, they have not brought an epidemic of murder and mayhem with them. Surprise of surprises, the state has gotten safer.

Over the last decade, the violent crime rate has dropped by 19 percent, while property crime is down by 20 percent. Crime has also declined in the rest of the country, but not as fast as in Arizona.

Truth is, illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native Americans. Most come here to work, and in their desire to stay, they are generally afraid to do anything that might draw the attention of armed people wearing badges.

[...]

If there is anything we’ve learned about getting tough on illegal immigration, it’s that it rarely works as intended. Like punching a wall, it may feel good for a moment, but it hurts a lot longer.

DaBravos

April 24th, 2010
8:31 pm

Go Arizona! Oh Jay…so glad that bothers you…hahalol…

@@

April 24th, 2010
8:32 pm

Thank you, Hillbilly. I was here (no idea why) and thought….I bet it smells sweet. I like to smell pipe tobacco. There’s a guy at church who I’m not terribly fond of, but I love to smell his tobacco after the service.

DaBravos

April 24th, 2010
8:34 pm

The truth about liberals. They really aren’t liberals in the true sense of the word. They are socialist, marxist. They call evil good and good evil. They support some of the most vile things, and try to legitimize sin..A thinking liberal is an oxymoron. I haven’t found on yet that can follow and idea the length of their nose.they’re a bunch of weasels

joan

April 24th, 2010
8:35 pm

Arizona was forced to pass legislation that would allow them to crack down on illegal immigration–God knows our federal government is about as effectual as a two legged rat. All it wants to do is legalize these aholes and grow their base of entitlement constituency.

Chuck

April 24th, 2010
8:36 pm

At least the Arizona Legislature is taking a stand against the imperial federal government and trying to make Obama prove he is a US citizen, which he has still not done.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
8:40 pm

Is the Rev. Wright back in town and blogging? Sounds like it at 8:08. Anyway, I hope he asks Prez Obama about all those terrible things. Seems Obama is doing much the same. Oh well….

HILLBILLY….There’s another “Rooster” at Lilburn. It’s the Blue Rooster but I don’t think you and Kamchak would like it. Cute little sandwiches. Dainty salads and finger food with drinks of sweet tea, orange juice, milk and CocaColas. The ladies love it. Try it at your own risk!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
8:47 pm

Dusty

Thanks for the tip but it doesn’t sound like my kinda place. :lol: I’m a lot of things but dainty I ain’t.

I found a turkey feather, by the way. Stuff like that always makes my day.

The Carnivore

April 24th, 2010
8:48 pm

So Washington has dropped the ball on illegal immigration for 30 years, and you are critical of a state that is finally trying to solve the problem? Most people in Arizona support this, including 68-69% of Hispanics. Of course, the liberal media only interviews the ones who don’t like it.

This new law partially solves Obama’s umemployment issue, and he is too stupid to realize it. Who do you think will get jobs when the illegals start leaving? That’s right … AMERICAN citizens.

Let’s hope California, New Mexico, and Texas follow suit quickly and send a message to Obama that he is too out of touch with how most American citizens think.

woofn

April 24th, 2010
8:49 pm

long live AZ and GA…i doubt the other 48 want to see illegal immigrants over run the law of the land. Maybe writers like Bookman want to raise taxes and keep their head in the sand…it keeps them a job with the liberals who want something for nothing going.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
8:53 pm

HILLBILLY,

I think finding a turkey feather would be like finding a pretty shell on the beach. So fine. So natural and a God given gift. I use to look for pretty rocks in dry riverbeds of southern Arizona. Usually in the evenings. Always found something special.

kayaker 71

April 24th, 2010
9:10 pm

All Arizona is doing is what our testicle free federal government should have done a long time ago. No one is against legal immigration. We are all immigrants in our own way. But to just walk across our borders and demand “rights”, from those who are willing to give them is the summit of idiocy. Infra structure cost soaring out of control, legal American ranchers killed trying to defend their homes and the zenith of arrogance, flying the Mexican flag in our country and “demanding” that we recognize their right to protest our own laws. Where is this going to end? Will Mexico send all of their poor and hungry citizens to this country? And the Mexican government has the audacity to accuse the US of profiling!!! Bozo is just about to learn what criticizing Arizonans is all about. Bozo is about as pathetic excuse for a leader that this country has ever known. Pathetic, inept and lacking the balls to protect this country and it’s citizens against intrusion from across our borders. This is an invasion, same as what we experienced on 9/11. And Bozo and his clowns don’t have the sense to realize it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 24th, 2010
9:10 pm

Well, I don’t go to fancy places like Roosters. I like the kind of places where you can wear a good work shirt and a pair of Wranglers and not worry about what other people have on.

Glad to see Sister Dusty likes pretty rocks. I never been to a foreign country like Arizona, but I expect it’s nice. Wish she would move there and stay. It would make us all happy.

Have a good night everybody.

RGB

April 24th, 2010
9:11 pm

We are soooo fotunate to have such an erudite journalist as Mr. Bookman taking pity on us uneducated, shoeless, pickup-driving Georgians.

Out of curiosity, do people buy more newspapers after being talked down to?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
9:13 pm

Out of curiosity, do people buy more newspapers after being talked down to?

I’ve always wondered about that myself.

kayaker 71

April 24th, 2010
9:15 pm

RDB,

We are so fortunate to have a person like Bookman looking out for all of us dumb hicks. I won’t say that his arrogance is bordering on Bozo’s but it’s pretty close.

william

April 24th, 2010
9:19 pm

I wonder if the border state citizens feel safer today! If the federal government would go after gangs like they did the Nazis and KKK, it would be a safe place for all.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
9:21 pm

Out of curiosity, do people buy more newspapers after being talked down to?

I canceled a subscription to The Wall Street Journal fifteen years ago for that very reason.

scott

April 24th, 2010
9:23 pm

What??? AZ does a crackdown of their illegals? What about us, what about CA? I’m here in Los Angeles and these losers politicians watch our city decompose with more signs in spanish and illegals everywhere! we NEEEEED this bill right here ASAP!

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
9:32 pm

So, how many people die from good ole home grown and bred Americans driving drunk there Andy?

getalife

April 24th, 2010
9:34 pm

One more collapse should do it.

Sicilians having to show papers.

Not good.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
9:53 pm

Change the subject much, hole?

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
9:53 pm

Well, I see my buddy RedNeck is here. Haven’t seen much of him lately. Guess he finally got “out” after the boot-leggin! And he calls it beer. Oh well….can’t call it “white lighning” either.. “Last Lightning ” should be the name of his stuff.. One drink and you light up. Then drop dead.

@@

April 24th, 2010
10:25 pm

You leftists do know that you can make your own natural cleaners, don’t you? Willing to pay more? Why, when you’ve got everything you need in the kitchen pantry?

This backlash comes at a time when research shows consumers are willing to pay more for goods that save energy, pollute less or are made from natural materials, and businesses say eco-friendly products are potentially big money-makers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304506904575180210758367310.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_business

You lefties aren’t too bright if you can be this easily duped.

Vinegar, baking soda…it’s all there in your pantry…neither very expensive. I was cleaning my windows inside today. Little vinegar, warm water, a teaspoon of dishwashing powder…cleans windows better than anything off the shelf.

I’m even suspicious about my county’s recycling facility. It’s free, but do they really recycle my recyclables or are they there just to make me feel good? ‘Ya just never know about these things. My heart’s in right place though.

You’re a weird bunch, you are.

Voice of Reason 2011

April 24th, 2010
10:27 pm

It is amazing to see such immigration laws come into existence. Such laws were not even thought about during the era of European immigration to the United States. Now, as our Hispanic brothers and sisters come to our nation, we are ready to implement such laws. I wonder what is the basis of such laws now? All of us know the answer to the question. Honestly, the law will backfire and hopefully the Supreme Court will hasten its demise.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
10:34 pm

There have been immigration laws in this country at least since the 1870’s.

@@

I used to work at a place where they had separate cans, all over the place, for recyclables. Many a day I saw the clean up people dump those in the same dumpster with all the other trash.

@@

April 24th, 2010
10:40 pm

Hillbilly:

That’s not what I wanted to hear. Try again.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
11:19 pm

Voice of Reason 2011,

Have you ever heard of Ellis Island? Please read a little history. It might change your slanted view.

You think that “whites” from Europe came through an open door with no restrictions.. They did not. They came through customs, usually Ellis Island. If they did not meet all requirements they were sent back to their original country.

Did you think Europeans sneaked in illegally across the Atlantic Ocean?

Like HillBilly said, there have been immigration laws in this country at least since the 1870s They were enforced at one time.

Arizona is now trying to retain and enforce long established laws.. They do so to keep their state a stable, safe and legal place,.

Goodnight…..

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
11:21 pm

I’m certain your recycling facility does exactly what they say they do. You have no reason to doubt them.

p.s. you’ve been namejacked, Hillbilly.

Signed, @@

G’nite. Just finished up tomorrow’s children’s sermon. It’s off to bed.

Hillbilly Deluxe (the real one)

April 24th, 2010
11:27 pm

@@

Citizen’s Arrest!!!!! Citizen’s Arrest!!!!!!

StJ

April 24th, 2010
11:34 pm

Wow. A state actually respecting the people’s 2nd Amendment rights, requiring candidates to prove they’re eligible for office, and enforcing immigration law since the feds aren’t going to do it.

I think Senator John’s days are numbered…he’ll be retiring soon.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
11:38 pm

scott said, “What??? AZ does a crackdown of their illegals? What about us, what about CA? I’m here in Los Angeles and these losers politicians watch our city decompose with more signs in spanish and illegals everywhere! we NEEEEED this bill right here ASAP!”

Signs in Spanish bother you? Terrible, isn’t it? Get used to it buddy, because you will be the minority in California soon enough. And that is what this all about for you isn’t it? You cannot stand the thought that one day in the very future there will a lot more brown faces around than people who look like you. Don’t tell me this isn’t the real reason that your thumping your chest about SB1070.. Don’t tell me that it is not the same thing with the birthers crowd, too.

Paulo977

April 24th, 2010
11:42 pm

Hillbilly
Deluxe
3:05pm ….’move’? Sure they can come on here home of the KKK ..much more comfortable than Arizona !

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
11:44 pm

Dusty, Dusty, get a grip. The Ellis Island immigrants hardly had a chance of coming to America any other way. You think they’d swim across the Atlantic with a pair of water wings to circumvent immigration authorities? Do you think it was a piece of cake to stow away on board a ship of the White Star Line?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
11:59 pm

Oh, by the way, why isn’t anything being said about the other border? There have been a number of illegal immigrants from Canada in this country. These illegal immigrants from north of the border, unlike those from the south, do not pay taxes and steal jobs from American workers. Why do we not talk about that? Is it because they look like us and not like them?

http://www.canadaupdates.com/news/illegal_immigrants_from_canada_steal_us_jobs-28502.html

Paulo977

April 24th, 2010
11:59 pm

the eyes have it
11:38pm ” in the very near future there will be a lot more brown faces around than people who look like you” You know in some strange/ or not so so strange way …what goes around comes around , though not instantly ! Think of what our ancestors did to those brown faces long ago who owned this land and lived according to their own laws and traditions ! Wonder how many have watched the movie Avatar?

theyeshaveit

April 25th, 2010
1:16 am

Republicans want to have their cake and eat it, too.
Arizona’s republicans (and other republicans) claim that they had to ram through SB1070 because the Democrats were dragging their feet on immigration. So, what do you say when today the AP reports that Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, threatened to withhold support (on climate change legislation) if Senate Democratic leaders push ahead first with an immigration bill.?

I say it’s the epitome of hypocrisy. The party of no once again jumps into non action.

Joel Edge

April 25th, 2010
4:38 am

Delta’s ready when you are, Jay.

GWB

April 25th, 2010
6:37 am

Joel,

Buy your own ticket and quit trying to mooch off of Jay.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
6:40 am

Whew! Got fugly in here last night. Even without the porch dog around much… Just goes to show how nasty things can be when you leave a couple “conservatives” alone in the room with no supervision…

When all the Mexicans and Liberals are killed off, who will they hate then? Who will they get to cut thier grass then???

And you folks got it all wrong, Mexicans don’t work for half price, they caught on to that YEARS ago, they’ve been on parity with white folks for a long time now in terms of what they demand to get paid. They keep getting the work because they don’t troll blogs while on other people’s timeclocks, they don’t answer endless numbers of cell phone calls during the work day, they don’t have to come in late because they had to take the dog to the vet, or leave early to see the probation officer. They quietly put thier heads down, and thier shoulders into thier work, then go home for the day and handle thier personal business.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
6:48 am

I say we just need to implant all illegals with micro chips, by thier genital areas…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
6:50 am

WASHINGTON — In a move that may derail a comprehensive climate change and energy bill in the Senate, one of the measure’s central architects, Sen. Lindsey Graham, has issued an angry protest over what he says are Democratic plans to give priority to a debate over immigration policy.-Constipation

Aahhh, you hear that, empty headed readers of the Urinal?

It’s the Republican’s fault that Cap’n Tax won’t be sailing through the US economy like some legislative Somolian Pirate, taking hostages and collecting huge ransoms.

You’re welcome, heh.

GWB

April 25th, 2010
7:15 am

No place illustrates progress more than the Cuyahoga River.

Cleveland’s main river used to periodically catch fire. On June 22, 1969, trash and an oil slick ignited. The river burned for half an hour, drawing national attention to water pollution nationwide.

People didn’t swim in the river at the time, and anyone who fell in needed to be checked by a doctor.

“The river bubbled like a cauldron. There were all kinds of chemicals in there, and that was what was bubbling at the bottom,” said Wayne Bratton, a boat captain then and now, and the first president of the Cleveland Harbor Conservation Committee.

Those darned Democrats are just determined to regulate us all to death. How’s an honest Republican expected to make a decent living if they have to abide by regulations! It’s just heart wrenching. Excuse me while I go pray that these people get what they deserve. Won’t you join me, Andy.

GWB

April 25th, 2010
7:27 am

NEW ORLEANS — The Coast Guard discovered Saturday that oil is leaking from the damaged well that fed a massive rig that exploded this week off Louisiana’s coast, while bad weather halted efforts to clean up the mess that threatens the area’s fragile marine ecosystem.

For days, the Coast Guard has said no oil appeared to be escaping from the well head on the ocean floor. Rear Adm. Mary Landry said the leak was a new discovery but could have begun when the rig sank on Thursday, two days after the initial explosion.

What leak! Show me the leak! I don’t see no leak! Those darned Democrats and their “claims”. They cannot prove a thing. They’re such mean and vindictive people. Willing to say anything and to hurt other people that are just trying to make an honest living off the land. Not hurting a soul.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
7:28 am

fu$k yeah Andy’ll pray with you GD it, it’s effin sunday afterall… I

GWB

April 25th, 2010
7:30 am

Well, at least Georgia’s leaders won’t have to worry about fighting with Florida over protecting a bunch of stupid mussels much longer. That oil leak will fix that problem as long as the wind blows in the right direction. Let us prey, Sonny.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
7:31 am

Well, well, it’s Urinal versus Constipation this morning-

The Financial Panic of ’08 was primarily the result of bad economic policy. Namely that everyone should own a home.

The financial reform bill working its way through the U.S. Senate doesn’t even address that issue, or the two main institutions that underwrote that policy — Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. -Thomas Oliver, AJC

When even the pinko press can’t get around that fact, it kinda makes you wonder what Big Government socialist harpies Bookman and Queen Pinko have their strings attached to.

The White House, of course.

Tee

April 25th, 2010
7:32 am

Midori I just read Tim Wise, thanks it was good reading.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
7:35 am

Aahhh, the angry, idiotic world of the hole, foam up much, psycho?

GWB

April 25th, 2010
7:39 am

Those darned Democrats. I hear they’re up to no good yet again. It’s just never ending with these folks. Rumor has it that a pack of renegade Democrats in South Carolina want to introduce the “Sanford” bill requiring that all Republicans suspected of doing you know what get implanted with a GPS device just to make sure that they’re “hiking” when they say they’re “hiking”. The nerve. And to think that they would pull such a stunt so close to an election! They have no shame.

GWB

April 25th, 2010
7:51 am

My call for home ownership for everyone, regardless of their ability to pay for it, was a good call. Just look at all the good it did for folks that supported me. People just misunderestimated the good that I was doing at the time. Some folks still do but I don’t know why. Don’t they understand all the good that I done when I signed into law my American Dream Downpayment Act. Bunch of ingrates. Well, let ‘em eat cake for all I care.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
7:52 am

“The Financial Panic of ’08 was primarily the result of bad economic policy. Namely that everyone should own a home.”

Too bad the wingnuts had 8 years to do something about it, but all they did was scream HARDER… FASTER…

At least those SC democrats aren’t using phone banks to call SC citizens and tell them that Sanford has an illigitimtae black child…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
7:56 am

Geez, what a laughing stock our little hole is-

Too bad the wingnuts had 8 years to do something about it, but all they did was scream HARDER… FASTER…

That was Bwarney Fwank, The Banking Queen, doing the screaming and you’re right, I don’t think he was hollering about financial reform, just sayin…

eewwwwwwww

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
8:02 am

Gee, I wonder ahy the Constipation chose not to publish the story about the Fort Carson atrocities being committed by the government upon our wounded veterans, hmmmmm, let me think, could it be the White House wouldn’t let them?

Chris Broe

April 25th, 2010
8:09 am

It’ll be fun to watch the new Arizona legislative achievements play out in real life. I didn’t think the GOP could alienate any more voters but “are your papers in order?” and “we have ways of making you walk” should do it.

The temptation for gun-slinging coffee drinkers in Arizona to accost racially-profiled stereotypes patronizing Starbucks may prove too great. The right may rely on the supreme court to ratify this new law, I’m sure, but the illegal alien look-alikes probably dont need no stinking judges to defend themselves against unlawful detention or citizen’s arrest.

A perfect storm of vigilantism and caffeine is brewing, and summertime in Arizona could be a tall drink of water. (sorry).

bob

April 25th, 2010
8:17 am

Let’s just open up all the borders and let everyone in that wants in. I’m sure repubs would not like this but the only real important issue is the the world likes us right ? So wouldn’t the world like us better if we open up to all ? And of course this would not be a drain on our funds either would it because these people would not sign up for any freebies would they ?

GWB

April 25th, 2010
8:19 am

Anyone that would make mean and disparaging remarks about our government, especially in these times of war against terrorists, and our fine military and the dedicated people looking after them, is just a… whiner.

TnGelding

April 25th, 2010
8:27 am

Just as crazy as the rest of us. We’re the ones electing these buffoons.

GWB

April 25th, 2010
8:43 am

Coast Guard and company officials estimate that as much as 1,000 barrels – or 42,000 gallons – of oil is leaking each day after studying information from remotely operated vehicles and the size of the oil slick surrounding the blast site. The rainbow-colored sheen of oil stretched 20 miles by 20 miles on Saturday – about 25 times larger than it appeared to be a day earlier, Landry said.

Fortunately, math is on our side in situations such as these. You see, the rate of increase in the diameter of the oil slick in the gulf will decrease with time and we can use that to our advantage when describing it to our mathematically challenged Republican constituency. We can add it to our list of laffers that we’re saving to share with our great grandbushes. hehehe

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
8:54 am

So lil ol’ Barney Frank bested GWB’s government for 8 years?

That’s one tough queen. No wonder you’re so scared of him and his type…

larry

April 25th, 2010
8:57 am

That was Bwarney Fwank, The Banking Queen, doing the screaming and you’re right, I don’t think he was hollering about financial reform, just sayin…

And he was in the minority party for 6 of those years, so there wasnt much he could do.

NewsFlasher

April 25th, 2010
9:02 am

This just in. A wind mill has exploded and crashed into the ocean off the northeast coast of the United States. Preliminary reports are estimating that nearly 100,000 barrels of wind were spilled. Cleanup teams have been dispatched to recover the turbulent air as quickly as possible.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
9:04 am

One effin’ tough queen… I sit up at night on my front porch with my .908 milled hollow point 4 qrain thingys locked-n-loaded, just in case Barney shows up at my door…

@@

April 25th, 2010
9:33 am

Hillbilly & josef:

Watched a program entitled “How the States Got Their Shape” on the History Channel last night. Kept me up waaayyyy past my bedtime.

Interesting…very interesting. Franklin, as in Tennessee, was a state for four short years.

There’s so much I do not know.

@@

April 25th, 2010
9:35 am

NewsFlasher’s 9:02 was funny.

There will always be drilling rigs. The list of things made from petroleum by-products is endless.

NewsFlasher

April 25th, 2010
9:38 am

English was the chief judge of the circuit and had served Georgia for 35 years. He lives in Thomaston and was on Season 4 of the reality television show “Survivor.”

English’s resignation is the second in the Griffin circuit this week.

So much trivia, so little storge space for it all.

gagay

April 25th, 2010
9:47 am

Dusty: The law says they can stop people who look illegal. When the governor was asked by a reporter if she could identify an illegal by their “looks” she said “no”. But…of course, she signed the bill!

NewsFlasher

April 25th, 2010
9:54 am

@@,

If you wish to make light of petroleum byproducts, perhaps you could start with something like this:

TED: Capt. Charles Moore on the seas of plastic.

For some reason, the system will not accept the link but feel free to look it up. It is quite the news flash.

NewsFlasher

April 25th, 2010
9:56 am

NEW ORLEANS — Authorities say a pipeline has spilled 18,000 gallons of crude oil into a canal in a wildlife refuge about 60 miles southeast of New Orleans.

There was no immediate word about the extent of damage at the Delta National Wildlife Refuge.

The Coast Guard says Chevron Pipe Line Co. has closed off the leaking section and investigators are evaluating the spill from a plane.

Hardly worth mentioning.

@@

April 25th, 2010
10:05 am

Flasher:

I’m all too familiar with the “Seas of Plastic”. I’m surprised that environmentally conscious Californians dispose of plastic bottles so irresponsibly. What….is the state not enforcing litter laws? It’s not just plastic…the list of items produced with petroleum is endless. You should check THAT out.

———————————————-

“We do need comprehensive immigration law in this country but not like this,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer. “This law is mean-spirited and I’m opposed to it.”

Mayor Bloomberg said the law, which takes effect in August, could hurt the country financially because it “sends exactly the wrong message.”–NYDaily

They’ve gottalotta five-star hotels up there that need cleaning.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
10:25 am

I know I’m getting a little cerebral on our shallow thinking liberal friends but that’s nothing new, is it?

And he was in the minority party for 6 of those years, so there wasnt much he could do.

Well, let’s see here, the Repugs are the minority party now and they managed to tie up health “care” for a year and a half, forcing obozo to embark on a kamikaze mission to ram it through, you know, a mind is a terrible thing to waste, just sayin…

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
10:29 am

Yes but there’s more than one repug, Bawny Fwank is just one lil ol’ effin queen… and for 8 years he had his way with W?…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
11:03 am

If that’s what you daydream about, hole, who am I to argue?

George

April 25th, 2010
11:04 am

Bookman obviously went to a Southeastern Conference school.

Rightwing Troll

April 25th, 2010
11:10 am

Apparently it’s your daydream, not mine.

DirtyDawg

April 25th, 2010
11:22 am

Jay’s point was that when it comes to wingnut-pleasing stuff, the Republican-run Georgia Legislature refuses to be outdone by anybody. As I mentioned in some post or another over the past couple of days, I can see/hear ‘em now -’Ain’t no way we’s gonna let them johnny-come-latelies take our title. I mean just look at that flag, where’d they get that idea, from the Japs I bet.’…and he’s right.

When your Congressmen – Broun, Price, Westmoreland, Gingrey and Kingston (and that doesn’t even include the ethics-rupt Deal) – are seemingly ‘poster-boys’ for making idiotic pronouncements at tea-bagger rallies – yes I said it…if you can determine what you want to call the Democratic Party then I can use this one. After all, that’s the one they started with until somebody mentioned…well, nevermind – you don’t have far to go to retire the award for the most outrageous collection of politicians in captivity.

oldmanrick

April 25th, 2010
11:25 am

What is the problem? if you have to have ID to get food at a food bank, you have about a dozen of them, For food stamps, Yea got that to, Check cashing card for the beer store yep got that, card to ride Marta, yep got that, Ingles, foodmart,Sam Card, yep got all of them. Do you have a picture ID to prove who you are , HELL NO AND I DON”T NEED ONE TO PROVE I AM ME. That is what is wrong with Ga law. They have to many liberal SOBs that don’t want to prove the guilty , guilty. If the are eligal, send them back packing with everything they have. Chargr 50% TO WIRE MONEY OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. tHAT WILL PAY THE TAXES THEY DON’T PAY HERE.

DirtyDawg

April 25th, 2010
11:40 am

Oh yeah, I meant to mention – about the example used of drug-cartelers coming across the border to attack and kidnap American citizens…just what about this ‘law’ is gonna deal with that? I mean these criminals aren’t riding around in broad daylight acting suspicious and just waiting for some ‘damn fine police work patrolman to roll down his window and say, ‘hey’…no, these people come in, strike and make a run for it. No doubt border security needs to be beefed up and potential targets need more security, but it ain’t got nothin’ to do with – are they riding around looking illegal?.

I mean it’s not as if this is anything really new. Seems to me Pancho Villa used to come across the border and rob and pillage – hell, we sent the cavalry after him or something and we’re still dealing with it. The answer involves some sort of ‘immigration reform’ that gives these people an incentive to ‘get on our side of this thing’, pay their own way for health, education and other services, and report those that are jeopardizing the lives of those that are working and obeying the law. Then we’ll have at least some chance of dealing with this mess…not the stupidity of our legislature, the illegal immigration thing.

Freeman

April 25th, 2010
11:44 am

Meanwhile in other news, Americans – including cops and border patrol agents – continue to get slaughtered by illegal immigrants in Arizona. And liberals have the gall to whine about “wingnuts” in Arizona? Pathetic. Even that “rethuglican” (isn’t it so cute how liberals use the English language in a juvenile attempt at an insult?) Lindsay Gramnesty-Graham is pushing back. I love how he puts it here with regards to the Junk Science Bill and an Immigration Bill in the works:

“WASHINGTON – Long-awaited climate change legislation was put on hold by its authors Saturday when a dispute over immigration politics and Senate priorities threatened to unravel a bipartisan effort that took months of work………”Moving forward on immigration — in this hurried, panicked manner — is nothing more than a cynical political ploy,” Graham said. “Let’s be clear, a phony, political effort on immigration today accomplishes nothing but making it exponentially more difficult to address in a serious, comprehensive manner in the future.”

Hurried and panicked. This time for illegal immigration – let’s just call it what it is, mmmkay? Just like everything else the current Democrat liberal regressives have done. Got stimulus? Got health care? Neither of those bills were even entirely read before they were rammed through Congress. Even Queen Pelosi herself stated that the ObamaCare Bill would have to be passed before Americans find out what’s in it.

But back to the climate change thingie, how much longer do we have before the liberal moonbats blame mankind for the Iceland volcano? Well, it’s probably a waiting game like everything else in liberal land. Every summer they whine about so-called man made global warming, but say nary a word in the dead of winter when having to shovel 5 foot snow drifts to get out of their driveway.

Rightwing troll

April 25th, 2010
11:44 am

A fine example of why, exactly, we have nothing to fear from Arizona can be seen in the last couple of posts alone…

midtownguy

April 25th, 2010
12:05 pm

I spent the first half of my post-college career working in Alabama, I have spent the second half in Atlanta. So trust me on this one, Georgia outside Atlanta is even more backward than Alabama. And that is saying a lot.

But it looks like both states have now taken a back seat to Arizona (I know it’s ancient history, but don’t forget the refusal by AZ to celebrate Dr. King’s birthday). So the traveling “most backward state” award has now left the deep south.

Joew

April 25th, 2010
12:11 pm

“And there’s the new gun law that allows anyone besides convicted felons to carry concealed weapons without registration or background checks.”

Yep, as per the 2nd Amend and the intentions of the Founding Fathers. Also, the way it has been for the majority of the time in this country. I’m constantly amazed at the ignorance of our history and Constitution displayed everyday, like in the quote above….

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 25th, 2010
12:15 pm

@@

I saw that show, too. It was interesting, although, I think it would have been better if they’d made it into a series and spent more time on each individual state.

They weren’t 100% accurate on the State of Franklin. Most of it was in what is now Tennessee but some of it was in what is now North Carolina, too. Some counties in the State of Franklin had parallel governments. A county government of the State of Franklin and one for the State of North Carolina, as some of the territory was in dispute.

And when they were talking about what is now Colorado being part of Kansas Territory, did you know that North Georgians played a large role in the Colorado gold rush and the founding of Denver?

Midori

April 25th, 2010
12:31 pm

you’re very welcome Tee.

And GWB and Rightwing Troll — you guys have me doubled over in laughter :lol:

William Johnson

April 25th, 2010
12:32 pm

There are some things I don’t understand about the criticism of the Arizona law.

Isn’t it true that this law merely makes it mandatory that the police in Arizona enforce laws already on the books. My question is, why were these laws not being enforced all along. Why do the critics think it is a good thing that these laws not be enforced?

If the existing laws against illegal immigration had been enforced in the past, is it not plausible to think that we would not have the problem of large numbers of illegal immigrants in this country today?

Midori

April 25th, 2010
12:38 pm

Chris Broe

April 25th, 2010
12:41 pm

Cynthia Tucker appeared on ABC’s This Week this morning. She was enticingly demure, looking just disinterested enough to be compelling. George Wills was making Glenn Beck facial taunts during every single comment she made, but to no avail. Her insight that Arizona’s Immigration law would be more divisive than the healthcare bill seem to catch Wills off guard and he quickly pointed out that he had made that insight first, while shaving this morning, and merely forgot to mention it when he had the chance moments before Cynthia’s turn. Cynthia din’t take the bait. Score: Cynthia 7, George ZIP!

I don’t know why I get such a thrill out of watching Cynthia Tucker. She steals every roundtable she’s in. Nobody looks or sounds or…..there is something about television that you can’t teach. The camera either loves ya or it don’t. Today, with her hair pulled back away from her face, (in stark contrast to an earlier appearance), Cynthia emerged as a very influential pundit.

theyeshaveit

April 25th, 2010
12:42 pm

@@, I have seen “How The States Were Shaped” on the History Channel, too. I understand how you could get into that. The History Channel is possibly the one channel I cannot live without.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
12:44 pm

chuck

April 25th, 2010
1:03 pm

sfd said: “At any given moment, history has shown that 70% of voters any given state in this Union can be complete flippin’ idiots.”

I don’t know about that, but November of ‘08 showed us that about 54% of the voters were idiots in the presidential election.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
1:08 pm

well Chuck,

at least he didn’t have to go crying to his daddies cronies on the Supreme Court……….

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
1:11 pm

Midori

They can’t even get that lie right. Earlier someone said it was 70%… What would we do without hate around here. Jay would be without a job.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
1:14 pm

LOL

Hi So Co :)

Kamchak

April 25th, 2010
1:16 pm

I don’t know about that, but November of ‘08 showed us that about 54% of the voters were idiots in the presidential election.

Shorter version—My panties are still in a wad.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
1:16 pm

Paulo977

April 25th, 2010
1:17 pm

midtown guy
12:05pm “most backward state” Here’s a ’small’ incident that I guess is of no consequence to the citizens of this ‘fair’ state..My lady friend ,a brown Indian, was just about to exit the freeway and had to slow because some HERO man was doing something in front of her when she was rear-ended .The little old white man who was obviously at fault was only given a warning by a white police officer because he said he was confused as he didn’t know WHY she slowed down!!!! I guess the ‘fair’Georgians will claim this is just an isolated incident! Ha!

Kamchak

April 25th, 2010
1:18 pm

Good Sunday afternoon Midori.

@@

April 25th, 2010
1:23 pm

Hillbilly:

I agree about more time on each state. If history can pique my interest like that show did, I want more time and details.

The funniest thing about Franklin was the way the town, to this day, advertises everything as The State of Franklin…The State of Franklin Bank…The State of Franklin Hardware. Humans are hardwired into territory.

The little peninsula of Illinois, now an island, was the original state capitol? The only original French colonial village left standing in the United States is Ste. Genevieve, Missouri? There are people still living in those houses. Charming!

I fell asleep before watching the whole program. I’ll catch the whole thing when I get a chance.

Why everyone is so eager to go outside the U.S. is a mystery to me. Plenty of interest here in our own country.

I’m out to play in the garden or mud as luck would have it. Late getting the okra in.

“Farmers are philosophical. They have learned that it is less wearing to shrug than to beat their breasts.”–Ruth Stout

Scooter

April 25th, 2010
1:27 pm

Paulo977

April 25th, 2010
1:17 pm

And here I was thinking that my post were irrelevant. Whew!

@@

April 25th, 2010
1:27 pm

Oh lawd…the chit chat brigade. Let me just say that I’m all for the people of Arizona expressing their concerns…having them addressed by their representatives. They’re thousands of miles from me, but still…

they’re fellow Americans.

chuck

April 25th, 2010
1:27 pm

midori, talk about BACKWARD, you apparently are still stuck in 2000. We’ve had a couple of elections since then and as I recall, your boy Gore has done alright for himself through blackmailing companies to give him money for “carbon offsets”. ANYBODY that voted for Barack HUSSEIN Obama thinking he was a centrist is an IDIOT.

chuck

April 25th, 2010
1:36 pm

Arizona’s new law is a response to the UTTER FAILURE of the federal government to maintain control of our borders. People can get ANYTHING or ANYBODY into this country if they want to badly enough. It would be really nice if the feds would finish building the fence that was promised. It would be even better if we PATROLLED OUR BORDERS more effectively. If you want an example of what can and will happen in America, just take a look at Europe. The muslims are practically taking over some countries. The pendulum is starting to swing back OUR WAY.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
1:37 pm

Losers never win, Chuck.

Never.

The Carnivore

April 25th, 2010
1:47 pm

Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada (2004)

This is actually the law of the land – I can’t believe no one brought this up earlier. The Supreme Court said that police who ask anyone (not just criminal suspects) for their identification are within their rights to do so. So the new Arizona law only affirms what is already the law in all 50 states.

Pogo

April 25th, 2010
3:26 pm

Jay, in all of his progressive arrogance, doesn’t have a clue what the border states are going through. Jay you would make the perfect addition to one of those famous New York Cocktail parties we’ve all heard about. You could sit with the rest of the liberal “intelligentsia” and peer down your condescending nose at all of those “rubes” out in the country that don’t believe as you do. Remember in November.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
4:09 pm

Today, with her hair pulled back away from her face, (in stark contrast to an earlier appearance), Cynthia emerged as a very influential pundit.

Chris- Have you considered that ever since Tuck began appearing as the liberal representative on the Sunday morning talk shows, the dummycrat party favorables have plummeted by about 50 points?

And you aren’t suggesting you would do her, are you?

eeewwww, just sayin….

@@

April 25th, 2010
4:55 pm

Geez, Paulo:

That HERO could have just as easily been Robert Sims. Then what would you have to complain about?

There’s no way I’d have that job….looks dangerous to me.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
5:00 pm

Geez, George Will presents facts and then follows them up with logic, CynTuck regurgitates some hideous White House talking point about the “party of no,” how can anyone take these dummycrat props seriously?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/25/this_week_roundtable_on_wall_street_reform.html

And I guess as an aside to my earlier comment to Chris B, with Paul Krugman being Tucker’s stoogemate, it does make her appear to be the more intelligent one, yeesh.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
5:02 pm

And she’s got so much Botox shot into her face it makes look like someone is pulling back on her forehead with all their might, just sayin…

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2010
5:09 pm

Losers never win, Chuck.

Never.

I think you’re wasting your keystrokes with some folks, Midori.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
5:11 pm

*sigh*

I know, Tax ………….

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
5:12 pm

Chuck

We do patrol our borders, thank you. US Border Patrol is always hiring, so feel free to apply if you think you can do it. BPA’s are getting killed because of government policy. It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican administrations. Those guys/ladies are getting shot at but can’t return fire all the time because the shots are coming from Mexico. Sometimes you’ll have two (lemme repeat that so you don’t mistake what I’m saying) TWO BPA’s trying to track down groups that may number 20 or more. Sometimes they have backup nearby, other times, they’re on their own.

If you want enforcment, you’ve got to pay for enforcement. It’s plain to see some don’t really want it and only pay lip service to push an agenda. Otherwise, people wouldn’t b!tch about taxes all the time. Sometimes, as in defense AND border security, paying taxes is quite the thing to do.

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
5:13 pm

btw…

Hi Midori. I forgot to label that earlier chuckler as a drive by. I was helping to secure our border at the time.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:14 pm

Quibble with details!!?!! Since when has this administration taken the time to address the details in a bill. It’s damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. They’ll get around to “quibbling” us after the bill is passed.

getalife

April 25th, 2010
5:14 pm

When the far right win power, we will all have to show our papers and you can hedge on a collapse.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:16 pm

Getalife:

All we’ve got is paper with which to hedge.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:16 pm

Worthless paper.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
5:18 pm

So Co,

that looked more like a crawl-by to me :lol:

getalife

April 25th, 2010
5:22 pm

@@,

Yeah, they saved this collapse but doubt they can save the next one.

Why do you want another collapse?

You know it will happen when the gop win?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
5:24 pm

Bomb Sniffer- I recently discovered a forgotten pair of giant scissors in my leather laptop case, a case that has been through airport security numerous times with them in it.

They ain’t no more.

What’s up with that?

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
5:24 pm

Midori

Since I carry quite often, a crawl-by would probably be a better description instead of a drive-by. I don’t want people to think I’m some rogue officer or something. :)

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
5:26 pm

They ain’t no more? No more scissors… No more giant… No more in the laptop case… I’m not understanding the question.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:30 pm

Getalife:

I’m not convinced they saved this one.

————————————-

It’s bad enough we can’t count on the federal government to enforce immigration laws, but we should at least be able to count on government agencies to not be involved in identity fraud.

The manager of the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles office at Springfield Mall was charged yesterday with selling driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants and others for up to $3,500 apiece.

The arrest of Francisco J. Martinez marked the second time in two years that a Northern Virginia DMV employee was accused of fraudulently selling licenses for cash. A similar scheme two years ago at the DMV office in Tysons Corner led to the guilty pleas of two employees.

Federal prosecutors in Alexandria charged Martinez, 57, of Stafford, with one count of conspiracy to commit identification fraud. As the head of DMV’s customer service center at the mall, he supervised about 30 employees. Also charged was his wife, Miriam Martinez, 56, a former DMV clerk in Tysons Corner.

A third person charged in the scheme, Jose Daniel Guardia, 25, of Alexandria, pleaded guilty Monday. Guardia, an illegal immigrant from Bolivia, found clients and collected fees for the operation, authorities said.

Virginia licenses were issued to at least 40 people who were either illegal immigrants or whose driving privileges had been suspended, prosecutors said.

Goheen could not explain how two similar scams might have been carried out so close together in two Northern Virginia DMV offices.

Yet court documents said the latest alleged scam was uncovered not by DMV but by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201421.html

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
5:34 pm

@@

We catch people all the time with driver’s licenses. Doesn’t sound like anything new to me. We don’t know how they get them, but it’s usually a sign to us that they’re coming here with intentions other than what they try to tell us.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:40 pm

SoCo:

When I first read about Arizona’s new law I thought…hmmm, there will be those that find a way around it. $3,500 for a $20 driver’s license, and the thieves were their own people. Brown on brown crime. You would think….

That’s what gets my goad more than anything.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
5:41 pm

Bomb Sniffer- How did they get through three or more times?

I thought that was a banned item?

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:47 pm

Also, I’ve always liked the temporary work visa approach, but our government can’t even keep track of those. We had ‘em out in California. Migrant workers would come across the border during picking season and then go back across until we needed ‘em again. And no talk about low wages ’cause my siblings and I all rode in the same truck…performed the same tasks. Just about every kid in Vacaville did. Paid by the bushel or crate, depending.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2010
5:54 pm

@@ is a illegal immigrunt! Wow! Who woulda ever guessed.

@@

April 25th, 2010
5:57 pm

I know, TaxPayer, you all think I’m some sort of pampered princess.

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
6:03 pm

@@
What they did is no different than what any other criminal does in my opinion. Some people will do anything to make money regardless of who it hurts in the long run.

They still have work visas like that. Agriculture visas are H2A’s and if they come back to the same company doing the same job, they can re-apply as a H2R. There’s a finite amount of H2A’s issued each year, but I don’t think there’s a limit to the H2R’s.

Oh Great Whiney One, I have no idea how they got thru. No technology is foolproof, and they all have their limits. I’m not going to go into detail about how to get around it, but it can be done. I can’t explain your situation or why it happened. I honestly have no idea of what scissors are banned and what are allowed now as the rule changes from time to time.

getalife

April 25th, 2010
6:05 pm

“Frankly, the Banks own this place.”

Sen. Dick Durbin, referring to the United States Congress but could add the WH too.

The banks are well connected and should be included in the new mob museum in Vegas.

stands for decibels

April 25th, 2010
6:08 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration.

I imagine 70% of Georgia voters thought that lynching Leo Frank was a dandy idea back in the day.

TaxPayer

April 25th, 2010
6:11 pm

I know, TaxPayer, you all think I’m some sort of pampered princess.

You do realize that your own kind, aka, so-called conservative tea-partying Republicans, don’t welcome you here if you truly are an illegal immigrant, pampered or not.

getalife

April 25th, 2010
6:31 pm

Yeah, the other 30% are the ones getting profiled.

Southern Comfort

April 25th, 2010
6:52 pm

A deal is close to being made with the financial overhaul, buuuuttt………

The main sticking point in what McConnell decried as a “partisan” bill is a 50-billion-dollar fund to wind down failing firms.

Republicans say the fund would lead to endless bailouts, a charge Obama’s administration has repeatedly denied.

“It’s better not to pre-fund, no matter how you fund it, whether it’s a tax on banks or whatever it is, a fund that creates expectation it will be used,” McConnell said.

If it’s better not to pre-fund, no matter how you fund it, why in the hell do we need insurance for anything?

getalife

April 25th, 2010
6:55 pm

There will be no reform without breaking up the mob er banks.

It will pass.

stands for decibels

April 25th, 2010
7:29 pm

I know it needs to be done, but still, I find myself surprisingly saddened to read this.

Gwinnett County['s] two water towers erected for practical purposes have become … well, if not art, certainly landmarks. But not for much longer.

Gwinnett commissioners last month accepted a Norcross firm’s $149,000 bid to dismantle the behemoths along with four other county-owned water-storage and pumping structures. Demolition could start within weeks.

md

April 25th, 2010
7:53 pm

Why is it, that as a citizen of the US I can not enter any other country on the planet without a passport – including Mexico, yet folks that come here without a passport are given a pass by many here on these boards?

Why does Mexico prosecute illegals in their country yet expect us not to do the same with their citizens?

Why do folks here that advocate leaving them alone not seem to give a crap about the thousands of families still sitting on waiting lists to get here – some even longer because they were pushed to the back of the line?

Why should any nation based on law undercut that base by not enforcing said law? Is that not precedent in a nation of law?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 25th, 2010
8:06 pm

Well, it just goes to show some people are plain dangerous. Here’s a guy with a big pair of scissors in his briefcase and SoCo and his buddies just let him on a plane without saying nothing. Every man on that plane was in danger. We all know Whiner’s elevator don’t go all the way to the top. All it would take would be for him to get in one of his moods and he could go on a snipping rampage. Men would get on as bass singers and get off as sopranos.

Which is why I never flew on a plane in my life. If you can’t get there in your pickup, it ain’t worth seeing.

Have a good night everybody.

Tiger Woods + Jesse James = SuperBAD meets SuperEVIL in "SuperUGLY!"

April 25th, 2010
8:09 pm

Doggone it! We’d better get to movin’! Arizona’s getting away with the title! No other state (California not withstanding) will be as nutty as Georgia as long as I’m breathing! I can’t even stomach the thought of spending a day of my life outside of a wingnut’s paradise!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
8:47 pm

Aahhh, yes, the Philadelphia Inquirer endorses Arleen Spector, on orders of the White House I’m sure.

Gurgle, gurgle, dummycrats.

Midori

April 25th, 2010
8:56 pm

lemme guess – we should now be afraid of the Philadelphia Inquirer too, right?

Bruno

April 25th, 2010
9:24 pm

If anyone is still here and is ready to move beyond the hate, here’s a nice song from the Brothers Johnson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0RiQLwOqo

Best wishes out to AmVet who weathered the storm at Chastain Saturday night. Hope it was worth the discomfort!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
9:31 pm

These are the people obozo wants to negotiate with-

KABUL (AP) – Dozens of Afghan schoolgirls have fallen ill in recent days after reporting a strange odor in their classrooms in northern Afghanistan, prompting an investigation into whether they were targeted by militants who oppose education for girls or victims of mass hysteria.

Militants my ass, scumbags in need of…..a hug, right, liberals?

Bruno

April 25th, 2010
9:32 pm

Reporter–Take a break and relax with Heatwave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVhFFaRuul8

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 25th, 2010
9:46 pm

WASHINGTON — Amid mounting frustration over taxation and banking problems, small but growing numbers of overseas Americans are taking the weighty step of renouncing their citizenship.

Yeah, can’t you just feel the love?

Bruno

April 25th, 2010
10:04 pm

Bruno

April 25th, 2010
10:08 pm

AmVet

April 25th, 2010
10:18 pm

Bruno, yes indeed. A lot of it.

Another sweet, but tortured, little songbird called home much too early…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeBeO2Fbnrc

and the more familiar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reSa2ipIH8s&feature=related

Jackie

April 25th, 2010
10:31 pm

It appears some of the keyboard-warriors have decided it is best to mount a frontal attack against the Taliban and rid ourselves of the problem we are facing in Afghanistan.

My curiosity has piqued as to how their plan will come together and bring us victory in the shortest time possible?

AmVet

April 25th, 2010
10:35 pm

Hillbilly, I’m not just a country (music) boy wannabe.

I just found it in some unusual places…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfZes9fFmXc

Bruno

April 25th, 2010
10:47 pm

“Bruno, yes indeed. A lot of it.”

Hey, buddy. One of the reasons I passed on the concert is that I’ve seen H & O a few times, and they seem to play the same set list each time out. To their credit, they still give their all, and don’t sleepwalk through the show as I’ve seen some other “classic” artists do. On the other hand, I would be surprised if TR ever played the same set list–this time it was radically different from the 2007 show at the Roxy. I see that he played “Black Maria” this time out, but not “Tiny Demons”.

TnGelding

April 25th, 2010
10:52 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

April 25th, 2010
9:46 pm

What are they doing over there anyway? No! No! Not taxes!!! And banking regulation? Never!!! We earned our fortunes the modern way: greed, misrepresentation and favoritism. We demand the right to hide our wealth in off shore tax havens and to be able to invest in Ponzi schemes.

AmVet

April 25th, 2010
10:56 pm

TnGelding

April 25th, 2010
10:57 pm

AmVet

April 25th, 2010
10:58 pm

OK, early start tomorrow.

I was thinking they should have played this last night, B!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB7jHFv5kJA

Have a great week, all…

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
5:24 am

… as usual, whiner tells only part of the story … from the same article, he dismisses the following:

“The Federal Register, the government publication that records such decisions, shows that 502 expatriates gave up their U.S. citizenship or permanent residency status in the last quarter of 2009. That is a tiny portion of the 5.2 million Americans estimated by the State Department to be living abroad.”

and

“American expats have long complained that the United States is the only industrialized country to tax citizens on income earned abroad, even when they are taxed in their country of residence, though they are allowed to exclude their first $91,400 in foreign-earned income.” (this has been the law for DECADES – not something new under Obama)

then there’s this:

“Stringent new banking regulations — aimed both at curbing tax evasion and, under the Patriot Act, preventing money from flowing to terrorist groups — have inadvertently made it harder for some expats to keep bank accounts in the United States and in some cases abroad.

Some U.S.-based banks have closed expats’ accounts because of difficulty in certifying that the holders still maintain U.S. addresses, as required by a Patriot Act provision.”

(snip)

Kathleen Rittenhouse, who lives in Canada, wrote that until she encountered a similar problem, “I did not know that the Patriot Act placed me in the same category as terrorists, arms dealers and money launderers.”

Andy Sundberg, another director of American Citizens Abroad, said, “These banks are closing our accounts as acts of prudent self-defense.” But the result, he said, is that expats have become “toxic citizens.”

… but, yeah, whiner … they want to renounce their citizenship because of Obama … :roll:

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 26th, 2010
5:41 am

WASHINGTON — With no bipartisan deal on how to rein in Wall Street, Democrats stepped up their efforts Sunday to splinter unified Republican opposition to their sweeping regulatory overhaul. -Constipation

Just let us know who they are so we can run them off, thanks.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 26th, 2010
5:47 am

Immigration law blasted
Congressman asks president to fight Arizona measure. -Constipation

A story that is accompanied by a picture of a marching mob of illegal aliens, of course.

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
6:04 am

some of the AZ law is good (criminalization for people knowingly transporting illegal immigrants) … but some of it has the potential to create a fuster-cluck of epic proportions (allowing people to sue if they feel a government agency has adopted a posicy that hinders immigration enforcement) …

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/20/arizona-immigration-enforcement-stirs-national-debate/?test=latestnews

nothing like the race to the bottom to create some serious ugliness

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
6:05 am

criminey … posicy should be poLicy … need more tea …

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 26th, 2010
6:11 am

Over the weekend, Graham assailed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) plans to move ahead on immigration before cap and trade. “Moving forward on immigration — in this hurried, panicked manner — is nothing more than a cynical ploy,” the Palmetto State’s senior senator said in a letter. “Unless their plan substantially changes this weekend, I will be unable to move forward on energy independence legislation at this time.”

Just sayin…

Finn McCool

April 26th, 2010
6:46 am

Get the butterfly nets:

ASHEVILLE, N.C. — An armed man spotted at a North Carolina airport parking lot just after Air Force One departed Sunday told an officer he wanted to see the president…Joseph Sean McVey, 23, of Coshocton, Ohio, is charged with going armed in terror of the public, a misdemeanor, said Asheville Regional Airport Police Capt. Kevan Smith.

His car was equipped with clear LED law enforcement-style strobe lights in the front and rear dash, Smith said. The car also had a mounted digital camera in the front window, four large antennas on the trunk lid, and under the steering wheel was a working siren box. Smith said McVey was not in law enforcement.

Finn McCool

April 26th, 2010
6:47 am

Smith said McVey was not in law enforcement.

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
7:01 am

Finn … sounds like we need to start profiling people with that surname …

(and what kind of a charge is “going armed in terror of the public” … it makes it sound like he’s AFRAID OF the public …)

Normal

April 26th, 2010
7:22 am

Good Monday morning, Y’all…I hope you had an excellent week end! :)

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
7:25 am

g’morning, Normal!! did you have a good weekend?? we had a lovely weekend, here – loads of time in the garden then took a long walk in the woods with the Wondermutt yesterday … all-in-all, a weekend well spent :-) and you??

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:29 am

Mornin’ all.

I hope you had an excellent week end!

Other than trying to cram all the outdoor-activity stuff into Sunday that got postponed due to Saturday’s storms, sure, what’s not to like?

Normal

April 26th, 2010
7:34 am

USinUK,
We have a nearly two year old Great Grand Daughter, who has recently, (thanks to her seven year old uncle), discovered Thomas the Train. We went to Chattanooga to see the “Real” Thomas. My wife, our Daughter, her son (the uncle), our two Grand Daughters, and the other Great Grand Kid, Cannon, who is just over one year old. It was raining all the way up there but it was mostly rain free while we were there. A great time was had by all. I got tons of pics and lots of smiles…Days like that…who cares what the weather is…

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:38 am

UnU, from your FNews link @ 6.04 “The bill contains several provisions. Among them, it would [...] allow people to sue if they feel a government agency has adopted a policy that hinders immigration enforcement”

I guess we must always consider the feelings. And it’s only fair: The wingers, they’re all about the empathy, aren’t they?

Southern Comfort

April 26th, 2010
7:40 am

Finn

That guy’s lucky he didn’t end up in somebody’s crosshairs. Secret Service isn’t one to joke around with. Coming from OH all the way to NC is more than enough to show intent. With a gun, you have means. Sometimes that’s all it takes for force to be used.

G’morning all, btw….

Normal

April 26th, 2010
7:43 am

SoCo, SFD, Good Morning!

You might say that guy went off half c*cked… ;)

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:44 am

Normal, given that you made this pilgrimage to visit the Real Thomas-The-Tank-Engine, it saddens me to inform you that Thomas’ boss, the kindly robber baron Sir Topham Hatt, did not make the Forbes Top 15 list this year.

Normal

April 26th, 2010
7:45 am

Y’all,
The Blog God got me with c-o-c-k-e-d. Gonna have to learn better than that…heh, heh

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:45 am

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:46 am

The Blog God got me with c-o-c-k-e-d

It always seems wrong to have to refer to one of my favorite Class of ‘76 UK bands as “The Buzzc0cks.”

FinnMcCool

April 26th, 2010
7:48 am

I think we need to profile everyone that fits the profile of a Turner Diaries – type nut job. About 50% of Americans.

Southern Comfort

April 26th, 2010
7:52 am

Finn

I saw you profiled on a web site not too long ago, http://www.bad@ssoftheweek.com/mccool.html (@=a). I may have to adopt a new screen name so I can be like you!!

Southern Comfort

April 26th, 2010
7:54 am

Normal

He’s in the same boat as that guy flying from LA to Tampa last week. I’m trying to figure out if someone has switched the flouride in the water to something Monsanto has created.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
7:59 am

… as usual, whiner tells only part of the story …

golly gosh, you think maybe that’s a reason he rarely if ever provides a link to the stuff he selectively copy-pastes?

(and seriously, as for what was included? My BS detector always heads into the red when I come upon the phrase “small but growing.”)

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
8:01 am

Dang, I got that totally wrong. Sir Topham Hatt IS in the Forbes 15 now.

thank you, wikipedia–

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Fictional_15

Normal

April 26th, 2010
8:03 am

SoCo,
I figure the ratio of nuts to normals ( :shock )is the same as it alway was…it’s just that there is more of us now so they stick out more. :)

Normal

April 26th, 2010
8:04 am

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:07 am

DAMMIT!!! this is the 4th time today that the borg has eaten a post just because it contains a link.

Normal – awwww – did she get all excited and yell “CHOOCHOO!!” when she saw the trains??? If they ever find themselves on my side of the pond, tell them to try this: (google Bluebell Railway) — the mister and I did the afternoon tea train a few weekends ago – a great way to spend the day :-)

SoCo – has life returned to normal for you now that all the planes are back in service??

meanwhile, has anyone seen Peadawg?? we need to help him study for the verbal part of his GRE, so start setting aside those £0.50 vocab words …

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:09 am

dB – “golly gosh, you think maybe that’s a reason he rarely if ever provides a link to the stuff he selectively copy-pastes?”

yeah – The Goog is a great way to find out the WHOLE story, not just whiner’s little bit of it … (my BS detector goes off whenever I see anything with the header: I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…but that’s just me)

Outhouse GoKart

April 26th, 2010
8:18 am

AZ…Keep up the good work!! Be not deterred by the panzy/liberal naysayers. Fight the good fight every moment. Deport the illegals. Pull over drivers at will and deport them on the spot.

Finally a State willing to use the no-nonsense approach.

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:20 am

Finn – “I think we need to profile everyone that fits the profile of a Turner Diaries – type nut job. About 50% of Americans.”

personally, I think we need to profile anyone who extolls the virtues of “Atlas Shrugged” (or Ayn Rand in general)

Normal

April 26th, 2010
8:24 am

USinUK,
She’s pretty articulate for her age, on the way up, she’d ask “where’s Thomas?” and when we got there, she saw the train and waved and shouted a “hi Thomas”! Later, when we went to a petting zoo, she took me around and named all of the animals, then she waved her hands in a big encompassing circle and said, “All animals”. Later, her big thrill was trying to decide what GrandPa, (they all call me that)would buy her in the gift store. Little Cannon was so engrossed in the trains, he was nearly mute, except for a hearty, from the belly, ha,ha,ha, when he was especially pleased. Like I said, a great day had by all…

Normal

April 26th, 2010
8:28 am

The Turner Diaries…don’t think I know that one, but my shrink told me to keep a diary, which I promptly named “The Normal Diary”…

Paul

April 26th, 2010
8:30 am

Morning, all -

Couple of posts on this new Arizona law (wanna bet there’s a thread coming?). For those who maintain appearance stereotypes aren’t at the bottom of the ‘reasonable suspicion’ provisions… I may give their arguments more than a quick dismissal if they can explain how the provision would play in Massachusetts, which (according to an account I read during the Senate race) has 50,000 illegal immigrants.

From Ireland.

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:31 am

Normal – between “she’d ask “where’s Thomas?”” and “Little Cannon was so engrossed in the trains, he was nearly mute, except for a hearty, from the belly, ha,ha,ha, when he was especially pleased”, I think I’m about to go into a Cuteness Coma. gotta love ‘em when they’re little like that – my young nieces crack me up with that kind of stuff …

Union

April 26th, 2010
8:43 am

Economists: The stimulus didn’t help

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The recovery is picking up steam as employers boost payrolls, but economists think the government’s stimulus package and jobs bill had little to do with the rebound, according to a survey released Monday.

ObamaCare Mulligan
About those lower insurance costs we promised . . . .

“Mr. Foster predicts net national health spending will increase by about 1% annually above the status quo that is already estimated to be $4.7 trillion in 2019. This is one more rebuke to the White House fantasy that a new entitlement will lower health costs.”

Mick

April 26th, 2010
8:44 am

OGK

I’m 50/50 on this, cause we get cubans down here who only have to make it to land and bamm – they are allowed to stay. I say the feds need to take control and let NO ILLEGAL gain entry to the US that go against our immigration laws. On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to be a hispanic american living in arizona.

Union

April 26th, 2010
8:46 am

CHICAGO — Two lawmakers who believe violence has become so rampant in Chicago that the Illinois National Guard must be called in to help made a public plea to Gov. Pat Quinn on Sunday to deploy troops.

A recent surge in violent crime, including a night last week that saw seven people killed and 18 wounded — mostly by gunfire — prompted the request from Chicago Democratic Reps. John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford. They were joined by Willie Williams, whose son was shot and killed in 2006.

Chicago has had 113 homicide victims so far this year, Fritchey said

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:47 am

Union – “About 73% of those surveyed (economists at private firms) said employment at their company is neither higher nor lower as a result of the $787 billion Recovery Act” …

just because my company wasn’t affected DIRECTLY doesn’t mean that the Recovery Act didn’t have an impact on the economy.

Bosch

April 26th, 2010
8:50 am

OK, I’m going out on a limb here, but RE: AZ law –

I thought you had to keep your docs on you at all time anyways, kind of like your driver’s license. Now, I know this has the potential for racial profiling, but let’s be honest here, doesn’t that already happen to those who are prone to do it?

USinUK

April 26th, 2010
8:55 am

Bosch – me, I feel bad for the cops … (and I’m sure they’re not happy about the new law, either) … it turns them from police into INS officers and opens them up to a BOATLOAD of lawsuits …

Southern Comfort

April 26th, 2010
8:55 am

UnU

Normal with this job is relative. We keep adjusting the level of normal to make ourselves feel good.

Bosch

If you’re in this country legally, there are documents that can be readily produced to prove it. The easiest way to avoid profiling in AZ is to ask for those documents from anyone pulled over. I’m willing to bet that if that were done elsewhere, people would be surprised by the results of what’s uncovered. The illegal immigrant debate would have a new face/image, and it probably wouldn’t be of Hispanic origin anymore.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2010
8:55 am

I thought you had to keep your docs on you at all time anyways, kind of like your driver’s license.

Might want to bone up on the history of vagrancy laws in this country…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrancy_%28people%29

After the U.S. Civil War, the South passed Black Codes, laws that tried to control freed black slaves. Vagrancy laws were included in these codes. Homeless unemployed black Americans were arrested and fined as vagrants. Usually, the person could not afford the fine, and so was sent to county labor or hired out to a private employer.

In the U.S. of the 1960s, vagrancy laws were found to be too broad and vague, and in violation of the due process requirements of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as citizens were not informed of which behaviors were illegal. Police had too much power in deciding whether or not to arrest someone. Vagrancy laws could no longer violate Freedom of Speech, such as when police use them against political demonstrators and unpopular groups.

Union

April 26th, 2010
8:56 am

USinUK
April 26th, 2010
8:47 am

“just because my company wasn’t affected DIRECTLY doesn’t mean that the Recovery Act didn’t have an impact on the economy”

Those dang economists.. maybe we should ask the WH.. I am sure they will give us the correct answer..

Southern Comfort

April 26th, 2010
8:56 am

New thread upstairs. BBL…. lunch time

md

April 26th, 2010
8:56 am

“just because my company wasn’t affected DIRECTLY doesn’t mean that the Recovery Act didn’t have an impact on the economy.”

And just because the money was spent doesn’t mean it had a positive impact on the economy. One trillion was added to the deficit, a deficit that has many quite nervous about the future. Perception trumps reality.

Bosch

April 26th, 2010
9:09 am

USinUK,

“it turns them from police into INS officers and opens them up to a BOATLOAD of lawsuits …”

I agree. I think this is a stupid law for many reasons, but for the main reason, it’s a stupid law – it’s like lip service.

Union

April 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett’s wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants – five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States – have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

stupid laws and lawsuits

Edward

May 2nd, 2010
3:21 pm

Get the Mexican;s out now.