Arizona trying to claim title, but Georgia’s still in the race

from Politico:

“Arizona is “turning into a punch line,” one of the state’s newspapers reported Friday after surveying the latest global commentary about the state featuring choice phrases such as “wingnut paradise,” “nuttiest legislative body,” “America’s dumbest state,” and “blazing a trail into the fringe.”

…Even some of the state’s own politicians have begun referring to Arizona as a “laughingstock.”

…The sources of derision?

There was the “birther” bill approved by the Arizona House this week requiring presidential candidates to prove their citizenship by displaying birth certificates.

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers, mandating that they stop and question people they suspect of being undocumented immigrants.

And there’s the new gun law that allows anyone besides convicted felons to carry concealed weapons without registration or background checks.

Finally, for good measure, there’s the sideshow Republican Senate primary starring J.D. Hayworth, a serious challenger to Sen. John McCain, and his now-famous observation that same sex marriage laws would lead to men marrying horses….

Yeah, but is the Arizona Legislature passing a bill to make it a misdemeanor to implant microchips in a human being against his or her will? Do they have an ethically bankrupt John Oxendine figure leading the GOP race for governor? Did they threaten to secede if Congress passes additional gun-control laws? Are they raising taxes on the poorest of their citizens, cutting billions from their budget while voting to exempt wealthy seniors from income tax?

Shoot, their state government actually helps support mass transit in their biggest cities!! So how crazy could they be?

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N-GA

April 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Dumb & dumber……

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

NowReally

April 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

We it goes to show that crazy people do reside outside of the south. But, the south still holds the title and Georgia takes the prize.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

There goes Jay Bookman on his liberal hunt for conservative things he doesn’t like. Obviously he despises Georgia and is pleased to think that Arizona is WORSE than we are. Isn’t that nice?

While the country staggers under debt being loaded upon us in Washington, Bookman worries about things in Arizona.

I hope he knows that Arizona has its own special problems. A rancher on the borderline of Mexico was recently killed by illegals, thought to be members of a drug cartel. Their state is the pathway for illegal immigrants. The people of Arizona are taking care of their problems since the Feds don’t seem capable there.

Georgia is cutting taxes for those that can best adjust. Jay only wants to decide on his own who should have their taxes cut and it should not those evil old folks who saved something. He is not pleased that our state is balancing a tough budget and taxes in the best way they can.

I am sorry that Jay has to make a living in Georgia. He would be so much happier somewhere else. So many ethically pure states with the likes of Rangle, Edwards, Spitzer, Frank and others that would please Bookman. Why does he suffer here in poor lil’ Georgia??

danjonglee

April 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….especially when you dont live in a border state

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:19 pm

jay, it never ceases to amaze me, the lengths to which you’ll go, to get Americans to turn against other Americans….Georgians against Georgians.

Don’t forget Joe Biden, with a CAPITOL “D” and his delusions that the SCOTUS will HAVE TO address microchip implantation. Joe sees them as a certainty.

I haven’t landed on either side in the immigration debate, but this?

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers

Somebody needs to address immigration violations. Laws have been on the books for decades….has the federal government enforced ‘em or ignored ‘em. I-G-N-O-R-E-D!!!

Maybe there are some new “reruns” on teewee. I’ve seen yours way too many times. Jay Bookman’s Scriptures–chapter and verse.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
2:25 pm

“the lengths to which you’ll go, to get Americans to turn against other Americans….Georgians against Georgians.”

I see…so only Georgians are Americans.

“Don’t forget Joe Biden”

And this ISN’T doing what you accuse Jay of doing? Turning American against Americans? Or is it not the same because Biden is not from Georgia…so he’s not an American?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

danjonglee said, “70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….especially when you dont live in a border state”

Excuse me, but isn’t Aridumba 70% white?

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

Gnat:

I am on record for having said “I LUV JOE”. If you recall, I won jay’s contest. I predicted Joe would be Obama’s V.P. pick.

I’ve seen countless conservative pundits who say the same thing. Even Joe knows why we love him. He doesn’t reject our love. He understands it.

What is it with you?

And this ISN’T doing what you accuse Jay of doing?

Do you think jay can’t speak in his own defense or do you just like having jay’s head up your skirt?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

@@, Did you know that SB 1370 allows anyone to sue a local, county or state agency if they believe the agency is not enforcing immigration laws?

Did you know that the law also promises to have a chilling affect on the economy, with unjustifiable raids on businesses and immigrants fleeing the state as a consequence of attrition through enforcement.

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

And Gnat? Where did you ever get the idea that I see only Georgians as Americans. jay went out to the Great American West so that he could make a comparison to “ignorant” Georgia.

It’s like being “On the Road” with Charles Kurault ‘cept there’s nothing heartwarming or nostalgic about jay.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

I, too, am puzzled about this “what about Joe Biden” deranged comment…………

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:50 pm

ShavesIt:

Did you see where I haven’t come down on either side except to say that the federal government has been pretty much impotent on enforcing their own laws.

You leftists are the ones who want companies punished. Well…according to highlights of the Arizona bill, you’re gonna get what you want.

Here are the highlights:

1. No state, county, or local official can limit this bill. A loser pays provisions applies to frivolous lawsuits.

2. Requires law enforcement to make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person if that person is suspected to be illegal.

3. It’s a state crime to be illegal. You must carry an alien registration document.

4. It’s a crime for an illegal to work in Arizona.

5. It’s a crime to pick up a day laborer for work.

6. It’s a crime to harbor or shield an illegal.

Try to remember…I grew up in California where diversity left me in the minority.

Just like josef…Me and Julio (legal) were neighbors and good neighbors we were.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration – I guess you can never trust the masses….

At any given moment, history has shown that 70% of voters any given state in this Union can be complete flippin’ idiots.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

arnold

April 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

I reckon I’m just a misfit. I think Georgia and Arizona politics are the pits. However, it seems the GOP in Florida may be challenging for recognition.

@@

April 24th, 2010
2:56 pm

Let me try and remember the family names on my short little street in Vacaville.

Martinez, Moreno, Vasquez, Poluto, Hensvark, Sardoz, Fazzari, Sauerwein, Perez, Padilla.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
3:02 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

I’ve never been to Arizona, so I have no idea what it’s like, but if people don’t like it there, they can always move.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Yeshaveit,

I see. You want to bring up the ol’ racial bit by saying “Andumba is 70% white”. I assume you mean Arizona implying discrimination..

You can’t even get your figures right. In 2009 according to the census, Arizona was 86.5% white with 30% of that figure being of Hispanic origin. 4.9% were American Indians.

I have spent nine summers in Arizona working with American Indians. Among my coworkers were whites, blacks and Indians. I never saw or experienced any bigotry and I traveled to all parts of the state at times. The people there were great and I found Arizona to be one of the most special places in the USA. The Grand Canyon alone would make that mark. But the desert, the mountains, the great climate and the PEOPLE there, well….I miss my summers with them.

But for you and Bookman, of course,to disparage one of the great states of this union is downright disgusting. Sit on your backwards little bit of unhappiness and dispense your low view of worthy places. But it is not a pretty sight I hope you get to see more of the USA at some time to widen your horizons and open your mind…

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Here are my thoughts on microchips;
1. If it is so trival and so unimportant why does Jay spend so much time talking about micro chips.
2. Wasn’t so long ago that medical experiments were being conductin on people against there will. Also, there were the cases of lobotomies being done on people without consent.

If this law is not needed then no harm no foul.

@@

April 24th, 2010
3:15 pm

As I recall there was a black guy (TPer) who showed up at a rally with an automatic weapon. Only people that jumped all over him were liberals. Supporters of the 2nd Amendment know no color…just their freedom to bear arms.

@@

April 24th, 2010
3:21 pm

…or maybe that’s Right to Bear Arms. I don’t know…don’t own one personally…wouldn’t know what to do with one if I did. If I were to choose a gun it’d have to have one of those little red-dot thingies. Wouldn’t want it to make a loud noise when I pulled the trigger either. If it could create a wound that eliminated blood, that would be perfect.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
3:21 pm

Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

“Gnat:”

It’s been a boring day, thanks for the laugh. I needed it. I’ll find the rest of the day more bearable for seeing your “brand” of humor. Don’t stop…I can always use a good laugh!

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

Here are my thoughts on birth certificate:
I personally do not believe we need a requirement for a person to be a natural born citizen nor do I believe Obama is not a natural born citizen.

I have to prove I a resident of the school district I live in order to enroll my kids in school so I don’t see any problem with requiring a person running for president to meet the very minimum requirements for being president.

Seems like running for president should meet the same standards as putting your kids a public school.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

There’s an immigration measure that effectively converts the state’s police departments into immigration officers, mandating that they stop and question people they suspect of being undocumented immigrants.

eewwww, cops enforcing the law, what’s the world coming to?!?!

And there’s the new gun law that allows anyone besides convicted felons to carry concealed weapons without registration or background checks.

Kewl, now when some Mexican thug comes across the border intent on a rape/ murder spree, he get’s to guess which gringo is carrying a hand cannon.

Question is, why does American citizens protecting themselves from murderous drug crazed foreign terrorists dismay Bookman so much?

Are you for American citizens being murdered in their homes, little socialist man?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:26 pm

Midori, I just finished reading that article. Thanks for the link. But I wonder how many of us here will get it? Is Whiner around? ;-)

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
3:37 pm

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html

Those oppressive French.

If the left or right are good for anything it is at least a laugh. If the Hispanics were not a huge voting block would anyone even care about this issue.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:43 pm

Dusty said, “But it is not a pretty sight I hope you get to see more of the USA at some time to widen your horizons and open your mind…”

Dusty, let me afford you a little edification. As far as my “horizons and open-mindedness” are concerned. I have lived in California, Georgia, New York, Texas, Maryland, Washington D.C., Canada and Japan. My maternal grandmother was born in Arizona. I have relatives now in Florida, Nevada, California and Texas. I did my basic training for the Air Force in Texas (as well as training for NSA operations there). I have visited or traveled on business to virtually every state and several foreign countries including the states, Arkansas, Pennsylvania and Washington and the countries Mexico, Italy, UK, Japan and Germany.
We also have about a 50/50 mix in my extended family as far as liberalism and conservatism is concerned. Hell, my dad voted for Nixon and hated Truman.

I think I broadened my horizons long long ago. And my mind is rather well educated and open to a number of ideas, thank you. BTW, You may not have experienced any evidence of racism in Arizona. Fine. But when a person is a member of a minority a trip to Arizona, or anyplace for that matter, can be a whole different experience.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

Twenty four years after Reagan’s amnesty for illegal aliens the neo-cons decide to take a git-tough-on approach.

Now that the high unemployment rate has replaced IEs as a mitigating factor in middle-class earnings, it’s time to throw Those People under the bus.

TaxPayer

April 24th, 2010
3:54 pm

I just finished watching Food Inc. Well worth the time.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
3:56 pm

Moderate Line, first of all. Hawaii’s Department of Health director has confirmed that President Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. Check the link below. Personally, I do support the requirement that candidates for the office of President of the United States be born in the US.

Now, about France and checking for documentation…uh, France is a socialist country too. Should we follow France on that? When I would beg my mother to let me do something foolish that other kids were doing, she would tell me, “If every monkey jumped off the cliff, that doesn’t mean you have to do it, too.”

That is a wise lesson. Who cares what France, Upper Mongolia or others are doing; we need to get it right here. Many countries require a domestic passport to go from one region to another (I have Russia in mind). Do we want to copy that?

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

mike

April 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Yeah, I wish Georgia was well run like California. What a joke.

Like most intolerant liberals, Jay views support for conservative ideas as a problem unto itself.

Moderate Line

April 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

The same people who are oppose to attempting enforce immigration laws just passed a law requiring people to have health care or face a fine. How are we going to enforce laws requiring health insurance? If someone comes to the hospital an can’t pay are the hospitals going to their home to and drag them away.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:07 pm

Mike, last I checked, Arnold is still the Governator of California. Intolerance, you say? Come on, fellow, that Arizona “law” is the epitome of intolerance. But don’t get too comfortable with it because it is likely to be found illegal.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

Yeshavit,

So you have traveled quite a bit and acquired a broad view of the world. Well, what happened?

Well, I am not a “member of a minority” as you suggested although I was a “minority” where I worked.in Arizona.. But I can’t help but wonder when I go places and work with people of all different skin colors who live there and are happy there, how can they live there with the discrimination you insist is everywhere (YOU said”But when a person is a member of a minority a trip to Arizona, or any place for that matter, can be a whole different experience.”)

I’m sorry but I do not relate Arizona’s efforts at protection and law abiding decision as a racial effort. Evidently you do. Just your “broad view” I suppose.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Eyes,

the only thing Andy “gets” is his minimum allowance of Vodka every day :)

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:16 pm

Kamchak,

Nobody is trying to “throw illegals under the bus” as you suggested. They are trying to return them to the country they left. Evidently ILLEGAL has no meaning for you. Why is that?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:18 pm

Moderate Line said, “The same people who are oppose to attempting enforce immigration laws just passed a law requiring people to have health care or face a fine. How are we going to enforce laws requiring health insurance? If someone comes to the hospital an can’t pay are the hospitals going to their home to and drag them away.”

What? The “same people”? Let me try my hand at translation. By “the same people”, I suppose you mean people not agreeing with you? And as far as enforcement is concerned, get real; we are talking about a whole different mechanism here. The Arizona police, supposedly after some “sensitivity training”, will magically be able to discern who is an illegal alien and who is not. Oh, really? I sure would like to know that little trick. Is there going to be a manual somewhere titled “What An Illegal Alien Looks Like”? Are we talking enforcement or forcing a waste of police resources and tax payers monies?

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
4:24 pm

Theyeshaveit,

There you go. “Arizona law is the epitome of intolerance.” It is a match for the law of the USA on illegal aliens. How much tolerance for people illegal do you want? Open borders?

Midori,
Don’t you get a little tired of accusing Andy of drinking? You there watching him? You need a new line. That one is overworked.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

Dusty, the Arizona law requires police to identify illegal aliens, but that begs the question, “What does an illegal alien look like?” Clearly, despite what the Arizona governor said in her cop out speech on the matter, this will require racial profiling. That means legal residents of the state who in the eyes of the police look illegal are going to be stopped and asked for documentation. Let’s borrow from the content of Midori’s link for a moment. Suppose that in some fictitious state of this union, we had a largely Hispanic population which bordered Canada. Canadians, mostly white I think we can agree, have been crossing into that fictitious state illegally. Now, one day, you travel into that fictitious state and get pulled over by a Hispanic policeman who perceives you to be one of those damn Canadians crossing the border illegally. How you gonna feel, Dusty?

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:34 pm

Dusty, sorry, the Arizona law is not a match for US law regarding immigration. The Arizona legislators (by the way, only one Republican voted against the bill) would have us believe that, but it is not the case. No US laws on immigration allow for racial profiling. The Arizona law does.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Midori, btw, nihongo wakarimasu ka?

NowReally

April 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Arizona is a lawsuit waiting to happen and the taxpayers who support this law will be paying just like those who do not.

There are hundreds and probably millions of documented cases of driving while “minority” and we expect policemen to make decisions on whom to check or request immigration status. In 2010, I’m sure there are millions of legal immigrants in the state of Arizona who will be forced into submitting to this injustice law.
I foresee a false arrest, harrassment and intimidation lawsuit, by a legal citizen who happens to be an immigrant. The settlement will be in the millions.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

NowReally, I agree. But that is only the tip of litigation iceberg. The Arizona law also allows for anyone, and I mean anyone, to sue local, country, state and, I believe, federal agencies that perceived not to be enforcing the Arizona law. What a waste of time and money.

stands for decibels

April 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

Midori, I just finished reading that article. Thanks for the link.

I read it as well, and was glad to see I wasn’t the only one out there asking that same question.

As for this stupid AZ law, as the A-man pointed out: “Have fun, Arizona. The only way for them to avoid endless civil rights law suits is if the cops harass large numbers of white people too. Enjoy!”

Midori

April 24th, 2010
4:45 pm

here’s another old line from the past, Crusty: got broom?

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
4:46 pm

“The only way for them to avoid endless civil rights law suits is if the cops harass large numbers of white people too. ”

Do I see identity cards for ALL citizens in the future? Either that or everyone will have to carry proof they are citizens…which amounts to the same thing.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:49 pm

It turns out that the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposed SB1070. Check this link for more information on their opposition.

http://bataraonimmigration.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/immigration-politics-in-arizona-the-wild-wild-west/

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
4:53 pm

Doggone, next thing you’ll know is there will be border police waiting for you in Florida, to check your domestic passport.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

Plain and simple, you find what you go looking for where. Arizona and Georgia, while certainly full to overflowing with fine examples of just how dingbat any society can be, are no different from the other 57 states and if we look from our living rooms across the Bering Strait, we’ll see that our neighbors are no different. It’s what makes us human and part of the great community of homo sapiens.

Reactionary legislation goes with the territory of societies possessed of legislative assemblies. What seems like plain nuttiness in one society may not in another.

Stepping one step farther, what is a minority in one perspective may not be in another. Labels are a tricky thing. Let’s just take the term “Hispanic.” I am listed on my documents requiring such designation. I’m Sephardic and even speak a little Ladino and, in three lines, have identifiably Iberian surnames. Now while “Hispanic” is a ticket to the back of the bus in most circles, in circles for which Sephardic has significance, it’s a front-row seat complete with all the uppity benefits. The same with Unmentionable. As soon as he says “Indian,” he’s marked for the reservation, but once on the reservation, when he says “Cherokee,” he’s top of the heap. And so it goes.

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

“Labels are a tricky thing”

Yep. And I could BE an illegal immigrant and no one would think twice about stopping me. They wouldn’t do it. I’m as European looking as I “should” be – German and English as far back as we can trace.

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

Kneel, Dusty and feel the power of my trickle-down policies.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:02 pm

eyes…

You mention Canada and illegals. I went to school on the Canadian border. A night on the town was to go into Vancouver. Going either direction, we were profiled. Not, I might add, in a particularly mean fashion, we were never treated badly on either side by the immigration authorities. However, in the border check coming in, let one of us drop in an unwary “eh” or a Tidewater “oot and aboot” and your documents went through extra check. Given that the area in which we lived was about the whitest spot in North America, if you were dark-skinned and spoke with a Louisiana patois, the Canadians double checked to make sure you weren’t a Caribbean “slipping in” and on your way to join up with that pesky lot of quebecois…and so it goes….

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:02 pm

ShavesIt:

The federal government will soon start profiling as a security measure at airports. This administration is good to go on THAT one.

Under the new measures to begin this month, which will apply to US citizens as well, the level of screening of travellers [sic] will depend on how closely their personal characteristics match against intelligence on potential terrorists.

The current “no-fly” list is to remain in place under the new procedures, but supplemented by cross-referenced information that may see passengers subject to further screening even if their names are not flagged, the Wall Street Journal said.

Characteristics such as nationality, age, recently visited countries, and partial names will be used alongside the “no-fly” list, the Journal said.–AFP

Personal characteristics? Characteristics such as nationality?

No matter what they say, it’s profiling.

Now I know that SCOTUS has ruled in favor of sobriety checkpoints although some states have said it violates their state’s constitution.

Although the U.S. Supreme Court has found sobriety checkpoints to be constitutionally permissible, eleven states have found that sobriety roadblocks violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. Opposition to sobriety roadblocks is generally stronger among civil libertarians, conservatives and libertarians.

But…

Vehicular and pedestrian traffic that approach with the intent of passing flying checkpoints can be asked to produce identification and submit to a search of their persons and/or vehicle. In some cases, people without proper identification or who arouse suspicion may be refused passage, detained, or arrested.

Has anyone seen how this bill (checkpoint) is set up? Unless you have, who’s to say it’s unconstitutional given the federal government’s recent decision?

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

I love it when my fellow Republicans do stuff like this. It makes them appear more as they really are.

theyeshaveit

April 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

josef, speaking of persepctive, I recall the movie Little Big Man staring Dustin Hoffman. Did you ever see that film? Dustin’s character had been captured by Cheyenne Indians when he was a boy and raised among them. One day, he is talking to his adoptive grandfather, a wise man in the tribe. He tells Dustin of how many peoples have come and gone, “First there was the Spaniard.” he says, “and then the Mexican and now the white man..” Dustin interrupts his grandfather at this point and says to him, “But grandfather, today I saw the pony soldiers and there was one black man.” “Ah, yes, ” said the grandfather, “the black white man.”

By the way, “Cheyenne” in their own language means “human beings”. Brings up a thought, doesn’t it? And also, don’t you think that in light of all the folly on this planet that we should drop the moniker “homo sapiens” as the latter word means “thinking” or “wise”.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

Theyeshaveit.

I’d probably be uneasy.. But….If the police ask me for legal documents I figure they are doing their job. Therefore I have the documents that are required. I stay out of trouble by abiding by the law, including passports, licenses, insurance, etc.

I once got a speeding ticket in Texas on my way to Arizona. Were they after me because I had a Georgia license, a Southern accent and a load of luggage? NO, they stopped me because I was speeding. Get it? Police enforce the laws. Citizens make the laws.

If police in Arizona stop a car with a broken headlight, they will ask for a drivers license. If there’s a smell of marijuana or have a car almost dragging the ground with a load or look like you are Hispanic and can hardly speak English, they may ask for proof that everything is legal..

That is what illegals have done for legal citizens in this country. They have set up suspicions for anyone from their own side of the border.

Now come the drug cartels along with the hard working people who come for work. It is a sad situation for which there is no easy answer. Arizona is simply trying to keep peace and tranquility that is lost wihen anarchy and .lawlessness arise.

Have a good evening. . .

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:06 pm

I need a glass of tea. I feel drained from marking so much territory.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:10 pm

Many years ago, I was stopped in Canadian customs and subjected to a 30 minute vehicle search as well as having my suitcase rummaged through. That wasn’t particularly upsetting to me, as I was a guest in their country and they were protecting their borders. They were very polite and professional through the whole thing and afterwards, I actually had a nice chat with the guy who seemed to be heading the search (3 or 4 people were doing the searching). I asked him, why he picked us out of the line to search and he said our vehicle was similar to one that had come through a couple weeks before that had been caught with contraband (I assumed he meant drugs but he didn’t say). Now maybe that was so and maybe it was just a standard explanation. Either way it was their country I was in, so I figured I had to abide by their rules.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:12 pm

Doggone–

SoCo and I were talking about this the other day. These tactics target the brown and particularly the Latino brown. Some of the largest groups of undocumented are the Irish, Poles and West Africans, and Caribbeans. They don’t stand out in appearance and go largely unmolested. Brown and/or Spanish speaking or Spanish surnamed do “raise the red flag.” I have a close friend from New Mexico whose family goes back to the founding of Santa Fe. Spanish surnamed, Spanish speaking and pigmentally impaired, she’s quite used to being “put through the paces” when, say in Minnesota, and stopped by Sven Karlsson whose grandparents immigrated in the late 1800s and who still speaks his native English with a pronounced Scandanavian accent…but he’s blond and blue-eyed, so no problem…

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:13 pm

“I was stopped in Canadian customs and subjected to a 30 minute vehicle search as well as having my suitcase rummaged through”

Heck, I’ve been stopped and searched right here in the good ole USA. They never would tell me why, but since I was driving my van…which is the biggest one Ford sells…I suspect they were checking for vanloads of illegals. They were quite surprised to open it up and find a van full of dogs. But they did the search anyway, including checking under the van with mirrors.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:16 pm

Doggone

Did they have a warrant or did you give permission to search?

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

“Did they have a warrant or did you give permission to search?”

Oh, I gave permission. We were at a traffic stop, it was hot, and it wasn’t worth it to fight. I was more worried about the dogs getting too hot than I was them finding anything. There wasn’t anything to find anyway.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

eyes–

Love that movie…”Ah, yes, the black white man. Not as ugly, but every bit as crazy!”

As for perspective…the normally stoic Unmentionable will go into a spluttering, near apoplectic savage seizure at the mere mention of the Buffalo Soldiers as “heroes…” One group’s page of glory is another’s greatest tragedy…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:19 pm

Will it work? For a long time, Tea Partiers were racists. Everybody knows that when you say “I’m becoming very concerned about unsustainable levels of federal spending” that that’s old Jim Crow code for “Let’s get up a lynching party and teach that uppity Negro a lesson.”-MarkSteyn

Or when you say you don’t want to see your health care system get run down by a bunch of freeloaders, you don’t want your kid crowded out at public school by a bunch of foreigners fleeing from their decrepit educational system, you prefer not to be murdered in cold blood in your humble abode, you think that when some socialist “news” paper editorialist wants to ride the choo choo he should pay the full fare like you do for your automobile instead of mooching off the public dole and when you think your president should be a native born citizen instead of a radical Muslim terrorist hellbent on destroying the country that you love, you’re “crazy,” like Bookman preposterously suggests.

I guess when your ideas can’t stand up to civil debate, just sayin….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:19 pm

Dusty- Knowing how liberals are, diMmy is probably blasted on Maddog 20/20 and is stuck on stupid, just sayin…

She tries though.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:20 pm

Doggone

I was just curious; you don’t seem like the type they’d have a warrant for. Me, I’m just obstinate enough and hard headed enough, I’d have made them go get one.

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:21 pm

Yep, Midori, brooms and witches are your overworked favorites. But, when the mind stalls, then dribble out the usual.

GWB, you are so cute. Still hanging on to Bush, aren’t you? Same advice for you: When the minds stalls, dribble out the usual.

JOSEF, I know how you feel about immigration but I am going to read your book ANYWAY. See how frivolous and full of folly I am!

I’ve GOT to get BUSY….pull the sails, draw the anchor and get ready for the big storm tonight. Gonna be a good one I hear.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:21 pm

eyes

My grandfather always said of certain behaviors and actions “s/he makes you question the use of the term sapiens!”

DoggoneGA

April 24th, 2010
5:23 pm

“you don’t seem like the type they’d have a warrant for”

Yep, as I said I’m not likely to be a victim of “racial” profiling. I think this time it was a case of “vehicle profiling” – I have a big cargo van, with an extended roof and not many windows. It’s not beat up, but it’s no spring chicken either…just right for transporting a bucket-load of people.

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
5:25 pm

Evidently ILLEGAL has no meaning for you. Why is that?

I’ve been in the construction biz since 1978. Only now are the neo-cons expressing poutrage about the ILLEGALS in this country. Why is that?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:28 pm

DUSTY

Batten down the hatches! I just got in from seeing after the three neighbors’ cats and all were pretty skitzy…they know what’s coming…even Mustafa is sticking close today….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:28 pm

You got two choices, the Mexicans coming over the border to kill Americans, or the Americans they are coming to kill.

Notice who Bookman sides up with?

Dusty

April 24th, 2010
5:33 pm

Andy @ 5:19

YES…..that, too.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:35 pm

K’chak–
For the same reason the liberals and moderates are. With the downturn in the economy, the illegals are being viewed as competitors for the service industry jobs instead of a cheap source of labor. Much the same as back when we shipped off 2.5 million brought here to do the dirt work during the war and then, too, documentation was surperfluous. Among those 2.5 million were some 250,000 native born US citizens who, well, just were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And one of the things we’re not really dealing with is the high unemployment rate among “those people.” Up and at ‘em at the construction site or restaurant kitchen at the crack of dawn and they don’t have much time left to get restless…all day long to contemplate the matter? They could get dangerous in short order…

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:35 pm

Aren’t you leftists in favor of cutting back on foreign aid (selectively, of course)?

Only now are the neo-cons expressing poutrage about the ILLEGALS in this country. Why is that?

With economic conditions what they are, maybe it’s the “charity” begins at home argument. Leftists are all about charity.

I think it’s human nature. Fewer resources, fewer opportunities.

If it makes everyone feel better, I guarantee….if I was a resident of Arizona, I’d be stopped for being brown. Almost black in late summer. I certainly wasn’t behind the door when melanin was handed out.

@@

April 24th, 2010
5:36 pm

Oops! straight up after Why is that?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
5:45 pm

A little personal story in profiling and how it plays out in practice. A while back I was at the local Publix and ran into a colleague from Colombia. She lives in the neighborhood in one of the nicer houses, has her PhD from Emory and she and I were talking about “Los Funerales de la Mama Grande” in relation to the influences of William Faulkner. We were speaking Spanish. The fellow shoppers shot us looks of undisguised “those people” antipathy, going so far as the pull their little ones closer. A few days later, I was in the same Publix and ran into one of my friends from Down Home. We were going off on one of the neighbor’s scandals, speaking French peppered with the most vulgar of terminologies and maraudering with glee and abandon the French acceptable to the academie. Passers-by shot us looks of undisguised ooh-aah… in the first case they’d have turned us in, in the second case they’d have invited us to dinner…

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
5:47 pm

josef

Yes I know these things. Not only did I lose work to Those People, but when I did get work, home builders were able to set sub-contractor rates with the threat of “If you wont do the job for that price, I can find illegals who will.” Now that high unemployment rates has supplanted the illegals as a control on “blue-collar” wages, it has now become “politically correct” to target illegal aliens to score points with those who have experienced job/wage pressures connected to those same laissez-faire policies over the past twenty five to thirty years.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:49 pm

I would have run that South Park episode on a continuous 24/7/365 day loop, over and over again with no commercial interruptions, after which I would have loaded the Beretta PX Storm .45 ACP with 265 grain hollow points and then sat out on the front porch, just sayin…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 24th, 2010
5:50 pm

I day dream about center massing little Akmed, just saying…

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:52 pm

Josef

I, too, have a friend who is a legal immigrant from Columbia. This person is more adamantly opposed to illegal immigration than most people that I know. This person feels like people are jumping the line and getting ahead of those who are following the law.

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
5:55 pm

I’ve said it before. If we enforce the law that makes it illegal to employ illegal aliens, then the problem will be solved. If there is no work here, then most if not all illegals will need to leave. However, the penalty for employing illegals without having attempted to verify their status should be sufficiently punitive that it acts as a deterrent.

If someone is required to provide proper ID (say, during a traffic stop), illegals should be taken into custody and deported after paying a substantial fine and have their vehicle impounded. If there is a debt owed on the vehicle, the lender will lose title to the vehicle because they should not have made a loan to an illegal alien.

All that to say that economic pressure (no jobs, fines, etc.) will solve the problem. Unfortunately the GOP would rather trample on personal freedoms instead of putting pressure on business to comply with the law. Nothing new about that…………

GWB

April 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

GWB, you are so cute. Still hanging on to Bush, aren’t you? Same advice for you: When the minds stalls, dribble out the usual.

Who else can I hang on if not myself. Now say you still love me and trust me and believe in me.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
5:59 pm

Unfortunately the GOP would rather trample on personal freedoms instead of putting pressure on business to comply with the law

I would expand that to include both parties. Republicans see them as cheap labor; Democrats see them as future votes.

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:00 pm

Andy – let me phrase this so you will understand: *hic*

Dusty – and your little dog, too!!!

Kamchak

April 24th, 2010
6:01 pm

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:03 pm

Hillbilly…I disagree about Democrats seeing them as future votes. Just look at the South Florida Cuban community. More rabid Republicans cannot be found anywhere.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:03 pm

Speaking of the South Park episode…I was talking to one of my Muslim neighbors who said, “I was a lot less offended by that than I have been by their irreverance to Christians and Jews.” Then he made a joke that we shouldn’t worry too much though since the Second Amendment gives us the “right to bear arms…” Then he went on to do an Emily Litella routine…”that’s b-e-a-r arms…oh, that’s very different then…what’s all this fuss about the appendages of certain forest animals…” :-)

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

I did not know the Mexicans were now coming over the border to kill us…

Sigh!.. So many wingnut fears to keep up with, throw that one on the pile as well…

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:06 pm

Hi Kammy :)

a nice, slow rainy day huh?

Midori

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

RW Troll,

Andy has a million of them.

I’ve never seen a “supposed” strong and virile “male” so scared of every effing thing!!!

No wonder he drinks.

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

“I would have run that South Park episode on a continuous 24/7/365 day loop, over and over again with no commercial interruptions, after which I would have loaded the Beretta PX Storm .45 ACP with 265 grain hollow points and then sat out on the front porch, just sayin…”

Of course you would Andy… Of course you would…

Rightwing Troll

April 24th, 2010
6:07 pm

Except porch dogs usually hide under the porch…

N-GA

April 24th, 2010
6:09 pm

Troll….That would be Andy Hutaree, you know.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 24th, 2010
6:10 pm

N-GA

The South Florida Cuban community is somewhat different, in my opinion. A lot of them or their parents came from Cuba shortly after the fall of Batista or later in the Boatlift. A lot of the people who came in the early 60’s after the rise of Fidel were upper or middle class people. It’s a different situation. I think many of them are staunch Republicans because, in their eyes, the Democrats were more accomodating to Fidel. Rightly or wrongly, I think that’s why they are so heavily Republican.

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:10 pm

I wonder if IR/YW eats tacos or enchiladas?

josef nix

April 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

Hillbilly
Your analysis of the Cuban American community is, in my opinion, quite to the point. You find a very similar pattern among the Colombians, Argentines, Chileans and Uruguayans…it’s a matter of class interest.