New transportation bill makes a good start at least

In impassioned remarks Wednesday night, House Speaker David Ralston told colleagues that it was time to stop thinking and talking about “the two Georgias” — metro Atlanta and the rest of the state —and refocus on one Georgia.

A proposed new transportation bill then awaiting a House vote did just that, Ralston said. In fact, he said, he had specifically instructed House negotiators on the bill to “make sure this plan helps MARTA, helps Atlanta, because in doing so we help Georgia.”

After Ralston spoke, House members quickly approved the bill by a vote of 141-29. A few minutes later, the Senate followed suit, 43-8. However, many of those voting had very little idea what the bill did, because it had been revealed publicly just a few hours earlier.

So does the plan accomplish the goals set by Ralston?

No.

And yes.

For years, metro Atlanta political and business leaders have begged the state Legislature for a means to finance badly needed transportation projects in the region, but to no avail. The plan now awaiting the signature of Gov. Sonny Perdue does go a long way toward meeting that need.

It gives metro Atlanta and 11 other regions in Georgia the right — with voter approval — to impose a 1 percent sales tax on themselves to finance transportation projects. From the beginning, the goal of such a system was to ensure that money raised within the region was spent within the region, on projects and priorities that are established by the region.

House Bill 277 does not do that, or at least not all of that. All money raised in the metro region will stay in the region, but the region’s authority to decide its own transportation future is significantly restricted.

Under the bill, a “regional roundtable” of county commissioners and mayors will compile a list of transportation projects to submit to voters for their approval. However, the roundtable’s list can include only those projects previously approved by the state transportation planning director, who is an appointee of the governor.

In other words, metro Atlanta and other regions can pick only projects that the next governor will allow us to pick.

The bill also forbids metro Atlanta from using even a dime of revenue from its regional transportation tax to help MARTA, the financially distressed core of regional public transit, meet its operating needs.

The Augusta region is free to use regional funds to help Augusta Public Transit; the Savannah region can support Chatham Area Transit financially. The Atlanta metro region can even use regional dollars to help Gwinnett County Transit or Cobb Community Transit.

But it cannot help MARTA.

There’s no rationale for such a provision except the purely political. It exists solely because legislators needed a certain degree of MARTA-bashing in the bill if it was to win legislative approval, and that’s a sad commentary on the state of affairs in Georgia.

That said, however, MARTA does get some help in the bill. It suspends for three years a state law that requires MARTA to spend at least 50 percent of its tax revenue on capital expenses rather than operations, a step that will at least give the agency some flexibility in dealing with its financial crisis.

And while the funding option is critical, in the long run another provision of the bill may prove to be equally important. It calls for creation of a Transit Governance Study Commission for metro Atlanta to analyze “the feasibility of combining all of the regional public transportation entities into an integrated regional transit body.”

That commission, comprising suburban and urban metro transit officials, officials from the Atlanta Regional Commission and eight metro-area legislators, is tasked to produce a preliminary report by the end of this year with recommendations for the “methodical development of legislative proposals for a regional transit governing authority in Georgia.”

The legislation also explicitly endorses “Concept 3,” the regional transit system proposed by the metro region’s Transit Planning Board in 2008, after a two-year planning process.

That plan calls for an ambitious — and expensive — network of transit options linking all parts of metro Atlanta, from Canton south to Griffin and Lawrenceville west to Dallas. Building that network would be the work of two generations, but it has to start somewhere.

Maybe, just maybe, that process started this week.

182 comments Add your comment

Scooter

April 23rd, 2010
7:12 am

Scooter

April 23rd, 2010
7:12 am

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
7:24 am

“because it had been revealed publicly just a few hours earlier.”

nope. nothing ever changes under the Gold Dome.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
7:25 am

Why do I get the feeling that the only improvements we will see will be hitching posts, water troughs and hay stations…and a bucket brigade (jobs, remember) to clean up the messes…

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
7:26 am

Based simply on your summation, and not having seen the bill or heard any other takes on it yet, I think it sounds as if you’re being entirely too kind to these myopic buffoons, but who knows.

Maybe it is the best pale imitation of progress we can expect, given what we have to work with.

Scooter

April 23rd, 2010
7:29 am

I’m with you DB. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
7:30 am

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
7:31 am

Normal – I liked OGK’s (or maybe it was JT’s) idea from earlier in the week – bicycles for everyone! … as long as they have banana seats, chopper handle-bars with streamers, and the little straw-things that go on the spokes …

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
7:32 am

Seems like it’ll take too long? The only guarantee is, twenty years will come to pass. At the end of the twenty, you’ll either have the transportation system, or you won’t.

Good luck.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
7:34 am

USinUK, Good Friday morning to you!
I’m with the bike idea if I can clothes pin a couple of playing cards to the back axle supports. Makes a good putting sound…

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
7:35 am

Normal – “I’m with the bike idea if I can clothes pin a couple of playing cards to the back axle supports” … oh, YEAH!!! (see kids, you don’t NEED to have a DS to have fun!!)

of course, the downside is there are going to be a LOT of stinky offices from people cycling to/from work in the heat of the summer …

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
7:37 am

The bill also forbids metro Atlanta from using even a dime of revenue from its regional transportation tax to help MARTA, the financially distressed core of regional public transit, meet its operating needs.

That sounds like the Georgia Assembly that I’ve become to know and loathe. Those idiots couldn’t legislate themselves out of a cardboard box. Atlanta will soon cease to be the economic power of the southeast as other cities like Charlotte pass us by.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
7:38 am

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I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....

April 23rd, 2010
7:46 am

For UStink, from below-

U.S. Economy in Worst Hiring Slump in 20 Years
By DAVID LEONHARDT 2/6/2003

The economy has fallen into its worst hiring slump in almost 20 years, and many business executives say they remain unsure when it will end.

The surge in discouraged workers is the most significant since the months immediately after the recession’s start. This suggests that the pain of joblessness has worsened even though the official unemployment rate, which counts only people looking for work, held steady at 6 percent in December. -TreasonTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/business/06JOBS.html?pagewanted=1

Any questions?

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
7:47 am

Normal

My bike would need the solid disc rims like the racing bikes to cut down on drag. I’d have one heck of a ride for work each day, so any efficiency I can gain is a plus in my book.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....

April 23rd, 2010
7:50 am

Let me just say it. The Obama/Clinton/media left are comfortable with the unrest in our society today. It allows them to blame and demonize their opponents (doctors, insurance companies, Wall Street, talk radio, Fox News) in order to portray their regime as the great healer of all our ills, thus expanding their power and control over our society.

A clear majority of the American people want no part of this. They instinctively know that the Obama way is not how things get done in this country. They are motivated by love. Not hate, not sedition. They love their country and want to save it from those who do not.-RushLimbaugh

Yeah, what he’s sayin….

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
7:50 am

whiner – 7:46 – I read the article – nowhere in there was Bush criticized for the unemployment rate.

nice try … but, as usual … FAIL.

Crenshaw8

April 23rd, 2010
7:53 am

From the Georgia dome to Capital Hill

However, many of those voting had very little idea what the bill did, because it had been revealed publicly just a few hours earlier.

Our future is in the hands of people who don’t know.

“We have to pass the bill so we can know what’s in it.”–Nancy Pelosi

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
7:58 am

SoCo,
Solid wheels do reduce drag, but they act like a sail when wind hits them…and I don’t know about your ride being that bad. I can see everybody gettin’ out of your way…

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
7:58 am

Whiner’s quoting Rush?!!?

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

Our future is in the hands of people who don’t know.

This is news?

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

oh, and by the way, whiner – at the time of your article, unemployment was 5.9% …

so, seriously … show us what you got … show us where Bush was criticized for unemployment at 5% …

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

Cobb and Gwinnett have public transportation systems that rely on tax dollars! The shock! The Horror! How do the resident residents of these conservative strongholds even live with themselves, getting on this blog and yap about how their counties don’t want or need no steenking taxation for no steenking public transportation. Perhaps they merely charge a user fee for those taking the bus. That would, of course, make it OK.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

SoCo,
I think it’s more like Whiner is channeling Rush… ;)

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:00 am

SoCo – 7:58 – further evidence of “when all you got is nuttin’, you fling poo”

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:02 am

Normal

A bike ride to work for me would have 4 long hills to climb in the first 5 miles if I rode along the Interstate. If I take back roads, I’ll still have to cross that terrain, but would add more miles to the trip. Either way, it’s not gonna be a Sunday afternoon cruise.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:03 am

Rightwing Troll

April 23rd, 2010
8:04 am

Speaking of taxes… I made more money last year than the year before, and paid LESS in federal taxes than the year before… of course my STATE taxes were higher… thank you GO FISH…

I understand all of you here, especially those out there on the right are currently paying higher taxes. Maybe it’s just wingnuts who have to pay higher taxes…

I’m still waiting for Obama to come get my guns, and I still need to set my appointment with a death panel to find out when I get to die…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....

April 23rd, 2010
8:08 am

UStink- You are floundering, dude, just sayin…

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:12 am

Yes, it’s a start. If the state had started down the path even five years ago when our explosive growth was certainly evident, we would have a plan in hand and be able to receive Fed money for projects ready to roll. Job, foreclosure, and revenue problems all mitigated and a long term solution in hand. Instead, here we are, wondering if this is just more politicking.

Biking, sadly is not an option for many of us. Our auto-centric society has us living too far from our work. However, many of us could use teleworking if more businesses would buy into that idea. That would also take cars off the road and relieve congestion and pollution.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
8:15 am

USinUK,
You were just insulted by Whiner! How CAN you stand the shame?
Oh wait…I forgot…

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
8:22 am

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

RT

That’s way low, to insult Ann Coulter in that manner…

Normal

That’s funny!!

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

Normal,

I think Dick had the identical reaction as Bush.

FinnMcCool

April 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

Off topic ~
I’d like to suggest we just out and out buy Greece. Those islands are really nice.

A Lumpkin resident.

April 23rd, 2010
8:25 am

Patrons and those who live and work in Fulton/Dekalb should help MARTA. An 80 cent per ride fare increase would completely cover MARTA’s shortfall.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:31 am

A Lumpkin resident.

Just remember to add your contribution by spending in Fulton/Dekalb.

FrankLeeDarling

April 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

let me get this straight,we can spend the money we generate in the metro area on any transportation system but our own marta system? In what world does this make any sense?

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

whiner – “UStink- You are floundering, dude, just sayin…”

I think you may want to look up the word “floundering” as I don’t think it means what you think it means

you were asked to provide proof that Bush was criticized for 5% unemployment … the article you cited didn’t.

so either put up or start reading the MJD

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

Frank

In the world of the GOP of Georgia.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:36 am

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:37 am

Finneus – 8:24 – you laugh, but that was what the Germans suggested to Greece a few weeks ago …

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:41 am

Offshore wind turbine. Interesting idea. Does anyone think they will stand up to hurricane winds? Or do they do something to account for that problem. It would create some disturbance to “plant” them, but afterward it seems to me they would provide some marine habitat. I know the wind sure does blow off the ocean. Noise wouldn’t be a problem either.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:41 am

Soothsayer

Check out this map and tell me if you notice anything in relation to the number of megawatts being generated by wind.

http://www.awea.org/projects/

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:43 am

Gale – we have loads of them here – in fact, saw a beautiful wind farm off shore in Whitstable last Friday …

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:44 am

SoCo, and the entire southeast is empty on the map. Hmmm.

TnGelding

April 23rd, 2010
8:44 am

A start in the “right” direction. Live near where you work or work near where you live. We wasted a lot of time and money commuting.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:45 am

FrankLeeDarling

April 23rd, 2010
8:46 am

That is a sad chart @8:41 SoCo,no information at all in the south.

At least if we put turbines up in the gulf ,they won’t spill oil when they get damaged

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

Gale

Not only that, but Texas is generating almost 3 times as much as the next closest state. Texas is where T. Boone Pickens lives, right?

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

SoCo, and the entire southeast is empty on the map. Hmmm.

Proof that loads of hot air alone is not sufficient to produce wind power.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:48 am

Frank

No info because we don’t have turbines up or planned. You’d think with all the hot air that circulates in the South, someone would want to capitalize on that and make some money.

M Percy

April 23rd, 2010
8:48 am

USinUK @7:50 Not sue what your point was regarding unemployment under Bush. But let’s have a looks at that…data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.5 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.9 7.4
2009 7.7 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.1 10.0 10.0
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7

It seems that except for the post-9/11 recession, under the Bush administration employment was pretty steady at the “full employment” level of 5% or less.

Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for Bush either time.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

Paul,

“The only guarantee is, twenty years will come to pass. At the end of the twenty, you’ll either have the transportation system, or you won’t. ”

By the time they get the thing built, it will be outdated. We’ll be flying around with jet packs (ooooo…. I hope). That’s part of the problem I think with issues like this – the world changes tooooo fast now to keep up.

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

USinUK, what sort of capacity in Whitstable? I am really surprised that rural communities don’t push for wind and water power generators. Their power needs cannot be that high. I remember a Chinese project in the 80s to build/install a lot of 5MW water powered generators. We tried to convince our town to repurpose a mill race to accommodate one. Apparently we did not have enough flow to run that size. I think it was a credible project though. Consumers Power in Michigan was buying up a lot of water rights in Michigan at the time.

TnGelding

April 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

Not the entire SE. TN and AR are getting into the game. We could use one here in Bartow County near Plant Bowen. It’s so windy I can’t hang the flag out half the time, and T. Boone is looking for sites near existing power grids.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

G’morning Bookmaniacs.

After watching first hand for 30 years, I fear that the metropolitan area’s historical inability to manage itself/grow in a cohesive way is so ingrained and so problematic that there isn’t much hope that things will ever fundamentally change.
.
Yes the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism and the “trickle down” factor thereof have put many of the irresponsible developers and associated sleazeballs out of business,

But even so, sprawl, irresponsible or no planning, infrastructure overload – these are the hallmarks of the metro area. Much of which is attributable to hyper-parochialism, political paranoia and covert bigotry.

I guess they just love their gridlock and smog here. Signs that little old Atlanta has joined the big boys.

And changing form Democratic to Republican “leadership” in this state has only exacerbated the many problems and challenges she faces.

The funniest word though in JB’s article this morning?

“…into an integrated regional transit body.”

The word is anathema to the good old boy charlatans and frauds…

BTW Headrush only pretends to be offended about everything non-Republican.

Ain’t no patriotism, honor or sacrifice in his vocabulary. With him it’s all for a buck. LOTS of them…

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

USinUK@ 7:50,

Well, you have to give Andy a little credit with that one – at least he linked something.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:52 am

“Offshore wind turbine. Interesting idea. Does anyone think they will stand up to hurricane winds?”

Gale, that’s an interesting question. I do know that the “blades” can be “feathered” so as to be directly in line with the wind (i.e., not creating a turning moment). I would hope the designers planned for that eventuality.

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

Neat image USinUK. I wonder if wind farms near airports would keep birds from flying around where they pose a danger?

SoCo, Texas is a perfect example of wide spaces and power transmission issues. Suppose you have a ranch a 50 miles from anywhere and your power needs are small, relatively speaking.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

BTW did anyone get a chance to watch the show on MSNBC last night @ 11:00? I thought it was a little over-dramatized but still informative.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

Aww….I miss T-Boone. I’m glad someone brought him up.

NORMAL!!! That pic of W was hilarious.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

MPercy – “Not sue what your point was regarding unemployment under Bush”

you’re right. you obviously don’t know the point (but thanks for more or less supporting what I was saying)

in the discussion below, whiner made the statement: “Um, why wasn’t 5% unemployment good news during the Bush administration?” and so I asked him where Bush was criticized for unemployment of 5%. In fact, I tried to made the very same point about full employment you did, but the blog gods wouldn’t take the post.

so, the point was for whiner to find a quote where BUSH was criticized for unemployment of 5%.

so far, all I’m hearing is crickets.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

Bosch

It’s kinda like with computers – if you know they’ll advance, why buy one? But millions do. Gotta begin with what you have and improve it as best you can as you go along.

SoCom

Yeah, Pickens lives in a veddy exclusive area in Dallas. Probably the richest area in the state.

Gale

Offshore wind turbines: time to point out the partisan angle. Biggest impediment to doing that on either shore? Progressives. Not a slam, just a fact. (Okay, it’s a slam). Check Massachusetts and California. NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) rules.

Morrus

April 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

[didja watch] the show on MSNBC last night @ 11:00?

(Obviously I didn’t, else I wouldn’t be asking–) what show was that?

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

Soothsayer,

Nope, didn’t get a chance, I was in dreamland by that time last night. Sorry I missed it. BTW, my daughter was all a flitter this morning — she saw the news coverage of the oil spill and was so concerned over all the wildlife affected. She asked if we could go get some Dawn liquid to donate.

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

I wonder if anyone has worked on a wind turbine that is optimized for use in tornados. If so, would it suck the energy right out of it.

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

Soothsayer, “feathering” the blades. I guess it would be similar to a sailing vessel in a gale, eh?

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

Gale

I don’t think they keep birds away. There’s a few turbines near Logan Airport in Boston, but I remember seeing gulls nearby when I was there. Alabama also fits that Texas mold. You have small communities that are spread out around the countryside. It would probably be cheaper to generate power locally than to have it transmitted from halfway across the state.

FrankLeeDarling

April 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

SoCo

A small turbine placed in the mouth of our elected officials should generate more than enough power.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:00 am

SoCom

Yes, Texas does lead the nation in wind power. Care to guess who started it? Governor Bush. Over opposition from the traditional lobbies.

Just one of the many contradictions between his actions as governor and as president. What happens when these people go to Washington?!!?

But there are backlashes in Texas. One guy leases out acres and acres of his land for windmills. Then the neighbors complain about aesthetics. Ruins the view. Same excuse the Kennedys used in MA. (Ever try to spot an object five miles out in the ocean? Ain’t easy).

M Percy

April 23rd, 2010
9:01 am

USinUK, seeing now where our “challenge” is to document criticism of Bush for unemployment at 5%.

Here’s a start, when Bush was criticized widely for unemployment that matched Clinton’s (low 5s). This analysis is from 2004: http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2004/jobs_study/sr20041014.asp. ” The media repeatedly criticized the Bush record, including 13 straight months of positive job creation, 1.5 million more new jobs in 2004 and an unemployment rate that dropped from 6.3 percent to 5.4 percent. In contrast the same news organizations consistently hailed the Clinton record of seven straight months of positive job creation, more than 2 million jobs in 1996 and an unemployment rate that dropped from 5.8 percent to 5.2 percent.”

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

Bosch

Cute as she is, your daughter has the makings of someone who will get involved – not just sit back and yawn or complain.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

Gale,

Feathering has to do with the angle of the blade relative to the wind. If the angle of the blade to the wind is 0 (i.e., parallel to) the blade will not turn. The angle can be maximized to provide the greatest turning effect (moment).

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
9:04 am

Aww….I miss T-Boone.

Yeah, I really really miss how he financed the Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth”, turned the military-family vote against Kerry and played an crucial role in ensuring another four years of Bush.

(And I really miss how he welshed on a bet when Kerry called Pickens out on his trash-talking several years later.)

Wotta great guy.

.

.

(not that I’m bitter or hold grudges or anything.)

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Enter your comments here

A Bird in Hand

April 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Wind farms in North Georgia, strategically placed near chicken processors, could dramatically reduce the need for immigrant labor. Whoosh Chop Whoosh Chop. Just need something underneath to catch the falling parts and sort them. The ones that make it through whole are the fryers. Then, there are the cabbage growers. Just toss ‘em up and viola. Instant cole slaw.

M Percy

April 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

December 5, 2005

Democrats said Monday that President George W. Bush’s economic policy is partly responsible for a staggering 10.6 percent unemployment rate among black Americans, which is more than twice the national unemployment rate of whites and the largest one-month increase on record.

The federal government’s November figures show the unemployment rate among whites is holding steady at 4.3 percent, while the black unemployment rate continues to climb to record levels, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.

[www.jobbankusa.com/News/Unemployment/unemploy120505a.html]

Unemployment fell last month to the lowest level in more than five years, to 4.4 percent — a drum-tight labor market that shows the economy remains fundamentally strong despite weak spots such as housing and manufacturing.

But many economists also noted that job growth has slowed in each of the past three months, and they predicted that unemployment would climb next year as home-building and auto production remain sluggish.

Democrats highlighted such forecasts as they criticized Bush’s handling of the economy. “Job growth was too modest to allay concerns about whether job opportunities will expand in coming months,” Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, the ranking Democrat on the congressional Joint Economic Committee, said in a written statement. “Staying the course on the president’s policies has failed to deliver greater prosperity and economic security for most families, which is why America needs a new direction.”

[www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/03/AR2006110300370.html]

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:05 am

Where? I can’t.

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
9:06 am

Paul “aesthetics” I was thinking about that after USinUK posted her photo. Given the earth is round and the horizon tilts away from us, just how much would those slender vertical turbines damage the view? I’m thinking not that much. I suspect we would soon learn to look past them at the sunrise/sunset.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:07 am

sfd

Just goes to show ya’ – people, all people, are a mix. Do some good things, do some bonehead things, do some bad things. Just gotta keep it in perspective. Or compartmentalize.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

Gale

That was the rejoinder to the Kennedys. But… didn’t matter. Political clout trumps.

sfd

It’s kinda like with Charlie Rangel. He’s done a lot of good things for his districts.

But…. he’s a crook!

Right, Bosch?

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
9:09 am

MPercy – 9:01 – while I’m sure whiner appreciates you fighting his corner, “media criticism” doesn’t address the question. For example, the media is criticized for positive/negative media “bias” during campaigns when it turns out the “bias” is down to the horserace factor – if someone is winning in the polls, that is seen as a positive bias when it is simply reporting the facts.

as far as the article, itself, goes … gee, I wonder if the organization has an agenda …

http://www.businessandmedia.org/about/about.aspx

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
9:10 am

Paul

I don’t know what happened once Bush crossed the Mississippi River. It probably had more to do with the people surrounding him than anything.

As far as asthetics, there’s no more beautiful sight than seeing those turbines catching a breeze and watching those blades turn. The more blades we can get turning means that we’re weaning ourselves from fossil fuels. I think they even have vertical turbines that work on a smaller scale that can be installed for home use.

I think the lobbyist for the industry are grasping at straws. Eventually wind and solar will become attainable enough that they will become the primary means of generating power for small scale applications.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
9:11 am

MPercy – whiner should send you flowers or something … again, looking at the article you cite, the criticism wasn’t for overall unemployment, but for unemployment for blacks being twice that of whites and concern over job creation …

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
9:15 am

Just gotta keep it in perspective.

Sure. That’s really all I was trying to do. And Bosch knows I live to harsh his various and sundry buzzes, so it’s all good.

Of course I welcome baby steps toward cleaner energy. However, without a matching component of conservation, a good hard look at our idiotic free-market approach to residential development and suchlike, it’s really more feelgood than anything else.

Oooh, wind farms! I guess I can drive my three-ton SUV solo to work on cheap gasoline subsidized by future taxpayers without feeling so guilty today!

Power from the People

April 23rd, 2010
9:15 am

We don’t need windmills. We need pedal-powered generators. Fight obesity. Pedal to power the TV.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
9:16 am

Paul,

Right on!!

and

“your daughter has the makings of someone who will get involved – not just sit back and yawn or complain.”

You bet man. She got ready for school earlier than usual (which, in and of itself is a miracle) and was sitting at the foot of my bed watching the coverage of the oil spill and got so upset! She wanted to go right then and buy all the Dawn liquid soap at the grocery store, and I promised her that we would send some.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:17 am

SoCom

It’s like mpg standards – a little bit, multiplied by millions across the country, and you’ve got some pretty big gains.

People see the wind turbines. They don’t see the laughing Saudi with a fistfull of petrodollars. Or the caskets at Dover.

Dang, I’m getting cynical way too early. Time for the gym.

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

SoCo, you created an image for me. I wonder if a horizontal turbine would work on a roof top? Suppose the turbine is situated to catch updraft heat from a roof to turn it? It would probably not generate a lot of power would it? Maybe lots of them on the roof? Nah, I suppose the first hail storm would trash them all. Scratch that. Bad idea. Next thing you know I’ll be trying to tune my molecules so I can walk through walls. That was my big idea when I first learned about the constant movement of atoms. :-)

On the serious side, I have read about recycling heat from exhaust towers in coal plants. They generate a surpising amount of energy.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

sfd,

“Bosch knows I live to harsh his various and sundry buzzes”

I don’t even know what that means. :-) J/K

but you are absolutely right, without conservation, this is all for naught. I think, if “naught” means what I think it means. Anywho – and we’ll have to re-design our cities to make them more green friendly.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:19 am

Bosch

So when she gets home and sees the fire’s out… and you have all those Dawn bottles… empty’em and fill’em with water and food coloring.

Then tell her to go squirt her brothers.

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

UnU @ 9.09, from your link:

Its other divisions include:

• Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com), an indispensable on-line source for news as it should be reported – accurate, balanced, and unfiltered.

Accurate! Balanced!

M Percy

April 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

Here’s more USinUK:

[wizbangblue.com/2008/01/04/unemployment-rate-jumps-recession-looms.php]

The economy is not as healthy as the lazy Republicans want you to believe it is…The disappointing employment figures sent Wall Street into a nosedive, thrust the White House into damage control and ratcheted up the blame game as Republicans and Democrats battle for the presidency.

The civilian unemployment rate jumped from 4.7 percent in November to 5 percent in December, the highest since November 2005, after the Gulf Coast hurricanes dealt the country a mighty blow. Total payrolls — both private employers and government — grew by just 18,000 last month, the worst showing since August 2003, when the economy suffered job losses as it struggled to recover from the 2001 recession.

“This is a major warning shot that the economy is in trouble,” said economist Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors.

david wayne osedach

April 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

Public transporation is essential for our future.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
9:20 am

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
9:21 am

Bosch

“Naught” is how Aussies say “Not.”

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
9:22 am

if “naught” means what I think it means.

Long as you don’t confuse it with “naughty bits” you’re all right.