Eleven believed dead and oil sheen spreading in Gulf

A deep-water oil well that exploded earlier in the week sunk into the Gulf of Mexico Thursday, taking with it any remaining hope that 11 workers still missing in the blast might be rescued. Like the coal miners of West Virginia, oil field hands do tough, dirty, dangerous work so the rest of us can enjoy the comforts of home and the easy convenience of our automobiles.

With a sheen of oil already one mile wide and five miles long and growing, the collapse of the rig also sunk guarantees heard often during the “drill here, drill now” days of the 2008 presidential campaign that such accidents just don’t happen anymore, that the days when offshore oil drilling posed a danger to the environment were well behind us thanks to new technology.

Instead, officials are warning about “potentially the biggest blowout of an oil and gas well in the Gulf of Mexico in 30 years.”

From the New York Times:

“I think it certainly has the potential to be a major spill,” David Rainey, a vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration for BP, which was leasing the rig, said at a news conference.

Coast Guard helicopters, planes and patrol boats were in the final 12 hours of search-and-rescue efforts for the missing workers, said Rear Adm. Mary E. Landry, the commander of the Coast Guard’s Eighth District. She said interviews with some of the 115 survivors had indicated to officials that the 11 who were missing may have been “in the vicinity of the explosion,” a view echoed separately in interviews with reporters.

“As time passes,” she said, “the probability of success in locating the 11 missing persons decreases.”

The sinking of the rig, meanwhile, left the scope of the disaster troublingly uncertain. Admiral Landry and officials from BP and Transocean, the Swiss company that owned the giant rig, could not say with certainty whether oil and gas were still emanating from the well underwater, though Adrian Rose, a vice president at Transocean, said the response team “was not able to stem the flow of hydrocarbons” before the rig sank…

The potential for environmental disaster from the spill would be greatest if the oil were to reach the Louisiana coast, some 50 miles away.

Fearing a potential environmental disaster, BP announced Thursday that it was dispatching a flotilla of more than 30 vessels capable of skimming more than 170,000 barrels of oil a day to protect sea lanes and wildlife in the area of the sunken platform.

202 comments Add your comment

thomas

April 23rd, 2010
10:52 am

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
10:54 am

Dear Obama – care to reconsider your “oh, well, we might as well drill in a FEW places” …

thanks.

LibraryJim

April 23rd, 2010
10:57 am

Florida does not want oil drilling off the coast. It has been debated in the legislative sessions for the past two years. Alaska and the Dakotas WANT drilling and refineries. So what does Obama do? He states he would be willing to allow drilling off the coast of the one state that has unequivocally stated they do NOT want it.

This guy has a real disconnect with reality.

LibraryJim

April 23rd, 2010
11:00 am

Correction:
This part should have read:

Florida does not want oil drilling off the coast. It has been debated in the legislative sessions for the past two years, and it has failed to even come out of committee.

#1 Foxy Lady

April 23rd, 2010
11:02 am

Like the coal miners of West Virginia, oil field hands do tough, dirty, dangerous work so the rest of us can enjoy the comforts of home and the easy convenience of our automobiles.

Doubtful there is any altruism in their labor. They probably do it because they get paid.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:04 am

“They probably do it because they get paid.” … they do – and VERY well …

“Alaska and the Dakotas WANT drilling and refineries.” … huzzah! so let’s just ignore the environmental impact and drill-drill-drill!!

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
11:05 am

LibraryJim

Hate to spoil your view on Obama, but all politicians have a real disconnect with reality.

I’ve met many who work on oil rigs all over the world, and my sympathies go out to the families of all involved in this incident. For many, it’s out of sight, out of mind. That’s how most of them work. They are some of the nicest and friendliest people you’d want to be around. I hope this is just an isolated incident and we don’t lose any more workers in any of our fields or mines.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
11:07 am

Look, these heavily subsidized petrochemical industries have proven that they can be trusted.

And if they say the technology is such that there cannot possibly be any more problems, we simply have to believe them.

Otherwise you are just inviting Uncle Sam to make them adhere to the rule of law, and we all know that is bad for profits…

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
11:12 am

We need more regulation!!! This was Bush’s fault!!!!!!!

There, I saved all you Democrats the time. :)

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!! I get to study for the GRE, woohoo!

getalife

April 23rd, 2010
11:13 am

Oil fire then oil spill.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:13 am

peadawg – “I get to study for the GRE, woohoo”

isn’t it supposed to rain this weekend??? talk about weather that’s MADE for studying …

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:16 am

peadiddy – forgot to ask – what do you plan on studying??? and when is the exam?

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
11:18 am

“what do you plan on studying??? and when is the exam?”

I’m wanting to go ahead and get my Masters in Computer Science. The GRE is next Thursday. I’ve been studying for it for about a month now. Mostly vocab words for the Verbal section.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
11:19 am

I get to study for the GRE, woohoo!

Talk about taking the fun out of a weekend… Hope all goes well when you take the test.

btw… Somewhere along this thread, I feel there will be both Bush and Obama bashing just like any other thread.

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
11:22 am

Enter your comments here

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:23 am

peadawg – my brother and the mister are both techno-geeks in comp-sci, so they all hold a special place for me! good luck with the exam if we don’t see you as much as we usually do before next Thursday …

in the meantime, would you like for us all to help you by dropping in some good multi-syllable words for you in the coming days??? ;-)

Union

April 23rd, 2010
11:24 am

I know panic is so much better.. but..

“Coast Guard: No oil leak from sunken rig off La.”

keep the fingers crossed..

HDB

April 23rd, 2010
11:26 am

Peadawg — Good luck! If the GRE doesn’t work….take the GMAT..and go for a MBA in Information Systems Management…the test isn’t as gripping!! (Worked for me!!)…and if you need any assistance in the curriculum…..

HDB

April 23rd, 2010
11:28 am

SoCo..I echo your sentiments!!
Peadawg – Compiler Theory gave me the blues…..hope you’re strong in Assembler….

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

“in the meantime, would you like for us all to help you by dropping in some good multi-syllable words for you in the coming days???”

LMAO!! Sure!!!

“good luck with the exam if we don’t see you as much as we usually do before next Thursday …”

Thanks!

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

peadawg:

shibboleth

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
11:33 am

Not to worry. That’s just natural seepage from all those cracks and crevices in the ocean floor. And, with today’s technology, there’s virtually no chance of a leak due to drilling or from pipes or anything. Oh! And by the way. On a completely different topic. Our coal mining operations are also the safest in the world.

Did I get those Republican talking points from the past correct?

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
11:33 am

Oh! I almost forgot. Global warming is all a hoax.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:34 am

Taxpayer – you forgot: if you think olive oil tastes good with your seabass, imagine how good CRUDE oil will taste!!!

Southern Comfort

April 23rd, 2010
11:36 am

UnU

I need you to pass the monitor cleaner after that 11:34 because there’s water all over the place where I’m sitting.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:39 am

SoCo – thankyew … thankyewverymuch! :-)

moonbat betty

April 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

STOP DRILLING NOW!!

Let the saudis get blown up

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:43 am

peadawg:

allusion

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
11:47 am

USinUK – one of the funniest ones in my note cards is “misanthrope”.

Kamchak

April 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

Peadawg

floccinaucinihilipilification

Doggone/GA

April 23rd, 2010
11:51 am

Peadawg

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:52 am

peadawg – I live in a country FULL of them!! :-)

(it’s also a very good play by Moliere recently staged at the West End starring Keira Knightly and the yummilicious Damien Lewis)

peurile

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

Kamchak…I’m not even going to try to pronounce that. It’s like that word from Marry Poppins, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

kam – godblessyou.

by the way – you weren’t here earlier, so I’ll repost:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7618787/World-Cup-2010s-best-ads-mamas-divas-and-musclemen.html

50 days … and counting

Doggone/GA

April 23rd, 2010
11:54 am

“peurile”

I think you mean puerile

Kamchak

April 23rd, 2010
11:56 am

Peadawg

Definition and pronunciation can be found here. Simply click on the speaker symbol.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
11:59 am

doggone and peadawg –

dyslexia

;-)

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

April 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm

President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul law will increase the nation’s health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.

HDB

April 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm

Kamchak : You’ve got the winner for the day! What a word!

Found the syllabic breakdown for those wh o desire it:

flocci-nauci-nihili-pili-fication

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm

USinUK,

Dyslexics Untie!

Does anyone remember the Millers Analogies Test?

Yowzers…

Kamchak

April 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
12:10 pm

Millers Analogies? Isn’t that what you rub on sore muscles?

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

Taxpayer – you forgot: if you think olive oil tastes good with your seabass, imagine how good CRUDE oil will taste!!!

Actually, it’s those pre-lubricated raw gulf oysters on a string that I’m looking forward to enjoying. Again and again and again. ‘Til the string breaks.

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

Kam – TBogg had me CRYING when I read that this morning … and the picture with it was a C-LASSIC …

(and the comments weren’t too shabby, either)

NowReally

April 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

The people chanting Drill Here Drill Now are a growing number of the ” IBGYBG ” group. They only think about their immediate needs and not about the impact of the future.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
12:20 pm

USinUK

April 23rd, 2010
12:22 pm

and, since we’re talking about TBogg … and were discussing the illustrious Bill Krystol yesterday … I thought I’d post this:

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/04/23/pop-goes-the-psychology/

yes, indeed … more of that, please …

Guy Incognito

April 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm

AMVet

Did you hear about the dyslexic that walked into a bra?

A terrible accident in the Gulf…..but we cannot deny the economic boost that would be the result of an increased amount of offshore drilling. Jobs, and less ME oil are only the surface of its benefits

Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm

“They only think about their immediate needs and not about the impact of the future.”

Our immediate needs is to get our nuts out of the Middle East’s purse. We have to curve our dependency on foreign oil.

md

April 23rd, 2010
12:45 pm

Not to worry, the DOE has been on it for 30+ years. Should be close by now, maybe 30-40 more years.

I see lots of bashing of current energy methods, but not much in the way of solutions.

The reality is we keep doing what we are doing or the economy grinds to a halt. Alternatives are the future, but we aren’t there yet.

I recently spoke to an aerospace engineer that told me they were working on solar space generators way back in the 70’s during that gas crisis. Collection arrays in space that would transmit the power back to earth. Said it would have worked too – but the price of gas stabilized and the plug was pulled.

Good ole gov’t taking care of the problem – not.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
12:45 pm

Hydrogen fuel and nuclear power are the answers.

mike

April 23rd, 2010
12:49 pm

“Hydrogen fuel and nuclear power are the answers.”

Agreed, but we are decades away from those being some kind of replacement for oil. We need to drill domestic sources as much as possible until we make the change.

We propabably would have a lot more nuclear power plants if the left had not been so effective in protesting them in the 70s and 80s.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
12:52 pm

Gale

April 23rd, 2010
12:54 pm

Nuclear power plants would be more common now if the waste/byproduct was not such a problem. Even the best solutions seem a bit dodgy.

md

April 23rd, 2010
12:56 pm

“Hydrogen fuel and nuclear power are the answers.”

At least until they go boom, then off to the next method. No matter what we do, somebody won’t like it.

md

April 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm

“The people chanting Drill Here Drill Now are a growing number of the ” IBGYBG ” group. They only think about their immediate needs and not about the impact of the future.”

So your solution is what exactly??

A Lumpkin resident.

April 23rd, 2010
1:00 pm

Listening to NPR this morning, I here environmentalists opposing solar energy production in the Mojave desert. There has been great “environmental” opposition to wind power off of Cape Cod and the Great Lakes. Of course, coal, oil and natural gas plants are being legislated out of existence. For the last 30 years, environmentalists have stalled Nuclear to the point that no one was willing to build a plant. Building new dams and destroying river ecology is a big NO as well.

What EXACTLY do Democrats and environmentalists want? State it up front JAY BOOKMAN. What kind of energy production do YOU want in the U.S. that will sustain the U.S and keep us competetive for the next 60 years. It is not enough to sight accidents here or studies there. TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.

The Green movement has been coopted by the communist supporters in America. They want NO new power production, energy exploration of any kind. This would cripple the U.S. economy permanently and that is the goal. So they have opposed EVERY SINGLE FORM OF ENERGY PRODUCTION.

So tell us again, JAY BOOKMAN, what do you support? What kind of new power plants do YOU want built?

If you can’t state that up front, you have no business writing columns like this.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:02 pm

I agree with Mike ( :shock: ), about drilling and one real good thing about the Gulf oil rigs, is that fishing is really good around them. Put a few around Florida and I’ll start a charter business… ;)

NowReally

April 23rd, 2010
1:04 pm

“Peadawg

April 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm
“They only think about their immediate needs and not about the impact of the future.”

Our immediate needs is to get our nuts out of the Middle East’s purse. We have to curve our dependency on foreign oil.”

Then why don’t the republicans in Georgia support rail and increased mass transportation? The transportation bill could have been passed and the effect in Metro Atlanta would have being showing an impact by now. The fewer cars on the road would mean less oil and would be better for our environment.

NowReally

April 23rd, 2010
1:06 pm

md

April 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm

I’m a liberal “REMEMBER”, I support Mass Transportation and fast rail to heard the human cattle throughout Georgia and the Good Old USofA.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm

A Lumpkin resident.

April 23rd, 2010
1:00 pm

I have been thinking about that for some time now and I believe the best decision is to shut it all down and go back to pre-industrial age living. Gas light, dutch ovens, outhouses. Simple living, but the Enviromentalists might bitc# about the whale oil…

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:11 pm

Normal, and the scuba diving in some instances is also greatly enhanced around them for the same reason.

It’s not yet Friday evening music hour, but I’m outta here for most of it, so…

Guiltiness (talkin’ ’bout guiltiness)
Pressed on their conscience. Oh yeah.
And they live their lives (they live their lives)
On false pretense everyday -
each and everyday. Yeah.

These are the big fish (these are the big fish)
Who always try to eat down the small fish,
A just the small fish.
I tell you again: they would do anything
To materialize their every
wish. Ohoh yeah-eah.
I Say: Woe to the downpressors:
They’ll eat the bread of sorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnc8Bhgbj1E

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
1:12 pm

Here’s the big question that everyone seems to be overlooking: What if the oil from this wellhead or from some future leak washes ashore on the beach at, say, Destin? How about Panama City Beach? Or for the Patricians, how about Naples (Fla)? Anyone who has ever been to Destin or anywhere on the Emerald Coast knows that the beaches are irreplaceable natural wonders. Is it really worth the risk?

TaxPayer

April 23rd, 2010
1:15 pm

Oil has washed ashore at Panama City Beach in the past. It makes a real mess.

Chris

April 23rd, 2010
1:17 pm

This should also serve as a fair warning about nuclear power, which industry also insists is safe. I call B.S.!!!

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
1:21 pm

Dear Obama – care to reconsider your “oh, well, we might as well drill in a FEW places” …

Like she said.

Put another way–if you let Lucifer buy you drinks and dinner, don’t be real shocked to wake up from a drugged stupor with his, um, tail in your mouth.

Union

April 23rd, 2010
1:22 pm

Sadly.. accidents happen. stupid people were allowed to vote. We got Obama.. so sometimes you just have to let it go and realize its out of your hands.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:24 pm

Lumpkin,

I hear Hummers that get about 8mpg are cheap now. Do your part to wean us off the $600,000,000,000 per year oil imports and buy a couple.

Oh wait a minute. One disaster or “terrorist” operation and you might just be looking at $400 for a barrel oil.

The reality is that the conned have been opposed to every single energy saving move. Even though the man you love to hate, Jimmy Carter, warned you 35 years ago. And had not the heavily subsidized industries not squashed it along the way, we’d already be much closer to alternative energy sources as big part of the mix.

Instead you listened to the pro-pollution, anti-conservationist, anti-environmentalist Dick Cheney and his anything for a buck pals….

md

April 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

“I’m a liberal “REMEMBER”, I support Mass Transportation and fast rail to heard the human cattle throughout Georgia and the Good Old USofA.”

And what powers the mass transit? and how will you pay for the massive expansion needed to get everybody where they need to go? and how long will that take? and what do we do in the mean time?

The Seeker

April 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm

“Instead, officials are warning about “potentially the biggest blowout of an oil and gas well in the Gulf of Mexico in 30 years.”

Not quite a catastrophe according to other reports:

Coast Guard: No oil leak from sunken rig off La.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion

Landry said crews first saw a 1-mile-by-5-mile rainbow sheen of what appeared to be a crude oil mix on the surface. That had expanded to 10 miles by 10 miles as of Friday morning, Ben-Iesau said.
Helton, of NOAA, said it is probably good that the sheen is spreading because it will be exposed to more waves and sunlight that will help break it down. But he said a wider area also means a greater chance that seabirds and marine mammals will be affected.
Overton said the sheen’s distance from shore means the impact on wildlife is likely not widespread, although some seabirds that dive for food could become coated with oil.
The problem, Overton said, would be if thicker globs of oil reach coastal areas such as the Chandeleur islands, home to hatcheries for pelicans and other birds.
A turn in winds and currents might send oil toward fragile coastal wetlands — nurseries for fish and shrimp and habitat for birds.
To prevent that, the Marine Spill Response Corp., an energy industry cleanup consortium, brought seven skimmer boats to suck oily water from the surface, four planes that can scatter chemicals to disperse oil, and 500,000 feet — 94.6 miles — of containment boom, a floating barrier with a skirt that drapes down under the water and corrals the oil.

mm

April 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm

“The Green movement has been coopted by the communist supporters in America. They want NO new power production, energy exploration of any kind. This would cripple the U.S. economy permanently and that is the goal. So they have opposed EVERY SINGLE FORM OF ENERGY PRODUCTION.”

I never saw a lie a republican didn’t like.

md

April 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm

“How about Panama City Beach?”

Just make the weeds/algae black, not getting in the water either way.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:30 pm

Is it really worth the risk?

Well, Hawaii has black sand beaches, he says with a wink and a grin…

But seriuosly, yes I think it’s worth the risk to get us out from under the Middle East Oil thumb.

…and If a spill happens, the clean up procedures are better than they were and getting better still. Yes, it’s worth it.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
1:32 pm

“Sadly.. accidents happen. stupid people were allowed to vote. We got Obama.. so sometimes you just have to let it go and realize its out of your hands.”

And, occasionally stupid people are elected President.

md

April 23rd, 2010
1:32 pm

Am,

Might take that rant seriously if the reps had been in power for 35 straight years. It’s a bit like immigration, neither “side” wants to upset the apple cart.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:32 pm

Union, agreed. We need a new poll tax to keep the new age Jim Crow boys happy…

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:33 pm

Well, as I mentioned earlier, my daughter was all torn up about this (whom I had to go get at school due to vomitous behavior).

Hey, Peadawg: vomitous. The OB’s been tutoring some folks for the GRE, if you have any questions, feel free to pop in a question and I’ll pass it on (and I won’t even charge you).

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:34 pm

No, they didn’t have to be, md.

And you know me, I consistently indict the Dems for being the GOP’s loyal little lap dogs, trying desperately to be just like them.

Inept and immoral…

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:35 pm

I’m with Normal on this one – I don’t see a problem with drilling and even drilling a little more if it’ll keep us out of the sand ghettos across the globe.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:35 pm

Bosch,
See my 12:20 above…What the world needs now…

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:36 pm

Soothsayer,

“I know that human being and fish and co-exist”

Classic. :-)

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:36 pm

make that ‘can’ co-exist.

Republican Capitalist

April 23rd, 2010
1:37 pm

Ho hum, people died. That’s the price of doing business, reminds of the time theme dastardly liberal tree-huggers were whining about some coal-miners dying due to safety conditions….

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

People really said it’s risk-free? No risk?

That was pretty unwise. It’s a matter of balance, of perspective. Seems to me the risk is quite low. AmVet published numbers the other day on the number of coal miners killed. Much, much higher risk. But no one speaks of shutting down the industry, but of managing risk.

sfd, down below

Never said how most self-identified environmentalists feel based on NIMBY hypocrisy. What I thought I said was the biggest impediment to offshore wind farms in MA or west coast have been NIMBY progressives. I’m not aware of NIMBY conservatives shutting down offshore windfarm efforts in MA or west coast. Are you?

Off Topic

Let out a cheer this morning. First SEAL court-martial in the ‘he punched me’ case of the jihadist was found not guilty by a jury. Second SEAL’s trial underway now. Judge alone, no jury.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

Normal,

Well, that’s just plain sweet. But my cats would so eat them. I kick at least two half eaten chipmunks off my porch per week.

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
1:39 pm

We need a new poll tax to keep the new age Jim Crow boys happy…

Reminds me–I’m planning to hear the author of this book interviewed on WNYC’s Brian Lehrer show a bit later this afternoon.

Are you familiar with it?

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
1:43 pm

Hey Bosch

Did you have to post bail for any of the Westboro haters counter demonstrators? I ask because I need to know where to send a matching check.

Or if I can spend it tonight instead.

Soothsayer

April 23rd, 2010
1:45 pm

“Coast Guard: No oil leak from sunken rig off La.

This does not mean the wellhead isn’t leaking, which it is, at the rate of 8,000 barrels (336,000 gallons) a day.

The wellhead is in 5,000 ft of water (just under a mile deep). The only way to reach it is with unmanned submersibles. This is the inherent danger in drilling at these depths: if something goes wrong it is very difficult to repair it.

Bosch

April 23rd, 2010
1:46 pm

Paul,

Nope. I would have sent bail money for real. So, have a good Friday night with it! :-)

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

Bosch,
We feed at least two chipmonks, five squirrels, one rabbitt, and a number of deer on our property. My kitties just look at them out the window…and yawn.

Paul

April 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

Bosch

Me, too. And yes, I realize the moral contradictions.

But I’m willing to live with them.

A Lumpkin resident.

April 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

Allright AmVet and mm, the ball goes in YOUR courts, now, too. What new energy do your support and where do you propose to put it?

You are mighty good at trying to discredit the messenger, but the question stands, and is legitimate. If you can’t answer it, or refuse, you show your ignorant selves to the world. So instead of attacking me, answer the question. What kind of new energy production do you support, where do you propose to put it? If the answer is fossil fuels, where do you propose to find/extract it?

stands for decibels

April 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

I thought I said was the biggest impediment to offshore wind farms in MA or west coast have been NIMBY progressives.

First off, Paul, if I’ve mis-categorized your posts I apologize.

But aren’t the people pushing the hardest to put up these wind farms progressive as well?

To be honest, I’m not all that aware of the current status of the Mass. project–found this site, though: http://www.capewind.org/

Overall, I guess I am not especially moved by how some people are shocked, shocked to learn that there are small-minded obstructionists operating throughout the political spectrum. I mean, obviously some self-proclaimed liberals can be pretty lame when it comes to walking the walk; I’ll be the first to acknowledge as much.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

stands, I have not. But it looks damn interesting.

I have been thinking about BHO’s presidency and have very mixed feelings about his approach.

On the one hand, he has been clearly shrewd. (As evidenced by making the GOP look like blithering idiots vis a vis reigning in the criminals on Wall Street.) And he must have known that being a threatening black man would probably get him shot and certainly make him unelectable. So, notwithstanding his claim of being “black”, he has for the most part acted pretty white.

And his milquetoast/nonexistent approach to the problems of the poor and under-represented has been, to me, very disappointing. No not true, I knew from the get go, that in spite of the Reaganesque rhetoric he was never going to be an instrument of hope and change in any meaningful way fior the bottom 100 million Americans.

Yet, perhaps he may just be laying the foundation for future presidents who will be.

One can always dream…

The Seeker

April 23rd, 2010
1:54 pm

Soothsayer “This does not mean the wellhead isn’t leaking, which it is, at the rate of 8,000 barrels (336,000 gallons) a day.”

Got a link to your article please?

md

April 23rd, 2010
1:54 pm

“Did you have to post bail for any of the Westboro haters counter demonstrators? I ask because I need to know where to send a matching check.”

What I find interesting is that the local authorities allow the demonstrators to be so close. They have the authority to grant permits, but they also have the authority to tell them to do it 5 blocks away – yet they do not. Sounds like an agenda to me.

AmVet

April 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

Lumpkin,

Nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal.

I presume you want to drill, baby, drill instead?

chuck

April 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

LibraryJim, you got it wrong, Obama is UNWILLING to allow drilling where we already KNOW there is oil. Instead he decided to open it up in places where we don’t know if there is any oil or not.

Normal

April 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

md,
you said, “Sounds like an agenda to me.”

They just need to earn their pay…and perhaps get a little riot control practice. :)

The Seeker

April 23rd, 2010
1:57 pm

The rig burned for nearly two days until it sank Thursday morning. The fire was out, but officials initially feared as much as 336,000 gallons of crude oil a day could be rising from the sea floor nearly 5,000 feet below.

Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said no oil appeared to be leaking from a well head at the ocean floor, nor was any leaking at the water’s surface. But she said crews were closely monitoring the rig for any more crude that might spill out.