Michael Steele commits truth: GOP walked away from black America and kept walking

From the Chicago Sun-Times:

“Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,” Republican National Chairman Michael Steele told 200 DePaul University students Tuesday night….

Steele seemed to hold the diverse student audience’s attention most when he talked about his own experience suffering racial discrimination — in his first law firm interview for example — and when he confessed his party’s failure to reach out to African-Americans:

“We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

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Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
1:18 pm

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South.

Don’t let the Republicans here know that. It will shatter that image they have of the Party of Lincoln. That party ceased to exist once the “Southern Strategy” was enacted. An overwhelming success I might add, because the Republican Party appears to be heading towards becoming a Southern, White male party.

Brad Steel

April 22nd, 2010
1:19 pm

They’re still walking.

Peadawg

April 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm

Are you letting Cynthia write your blog now? You can do better then this.

#1 Foxy Lady

April 22nd, 2010
1:22 pm

This is a surprise. Usually, Michael Steele only says falsities.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2010
1:30 pm

Usually, Michael Steele only says falsities.

Actually, this isn’t the first time Mr. Steele’s been caught being honest, and rational.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/steele-abortion-is-an-ind_n_174092.html

M: The choice issue cuts two ways. You can choose life or you can choose abortion. You know, my mother chose life. So, you know, I think the power of the argument of choice boils down to stating a case for one or the other.

L: Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?

M: Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.

candide

April 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

The reason blacks should vote GOP is because the first GOP president had hundreds of thousands of men killed to give uindeserving blacks freedom.

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

This is truly one to laugh about! It seems as if the Republican Party has classified ALL African Americans as uneducated, thuggish and totally dependent on handouts…If they would reach out more, they would discover a population of intelligent individuals that has been overlooked and under represented for TOO many years!!

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
1:37 pm

I guess this is why people think he’s been an ineffective leader of the RNC. It’s his job to lead the party. If he doesn’t like their strategy then it is his job to change it.

Tough to criticize the man when you are the man…

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

SoCo,
“uneducated, thuggish and totally dependent on handouts…”

I thought that’s how the Repulican’s labeled the Liberals… :)

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
1:41 pm

candide

April 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

Undeserving? Why?

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
1:42 pm

Normal..that was too funny…One day people will begin to look beyond the outer appearance and discover the total package of what’s inside…until then, we will continue to have a divided U.S.A.

Paul

April 22nd, 2010
1:47 pm

Recognition’s the first step. Now… what to do about it?

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
1:47 pm

SoCo,
“One day people will begin to look beyond the outer appearance and discover the total package of what’s inside”

That will come, if you and I, and others like us, continue to teach our young as to what to look for and how to recognize it. I figure around my Grand Kids generation, it will be a lesson lesson learned, including the Gay tolerance and understanding. All we have to do is teach.

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm

Wasn’t me Normal, but I think you hit the nail on the head.

candide

If that’s the only justification for voting for a candidate, no wonder our political system is in the shape it’s in. Please do not give out that kind of voting advice again. It really hurts more than it helps.

shamika

April 22nd, 2010
1:49 pm

Jay has to keep the black vote in line… without identity politics there is no democrat party. He knows he is race baiting, being divisive but its necessary to nail down the base.

Its part of the reason that Bookman stayed quiet while the state democrats found a way to inject race into the Atlanta mayor’s race. Must keep the black vote 96% democrat, no matter what.

BillyGee

April 22nd, 2010
1:50 pm

I wish, just once, that Bookman would commit truth.

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
1:50 pm

Southern-

Then why is this an African-American problem? If color of your skin doesn’t matter, why do you insist the Republicans reach out to “your” people? It’s you that insist on classifying yourself(african).

I want to help Americans. Not illegal immegrants or people who think they deserve something based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

ty webb

April 22nd, 2010
1:51 pm

Jay just did the equivalent of sitting the babies in front of the television. Maybe he had an early afternoon tee time.

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
1:54 pm

JKL2,
Do you need to be reminded that there are all kinds of “Americans”?
I hope you are not just talking about helping WASP’s.

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
1:54 pm

ty webb

April 22nd, 2010
1:51 pm

:D :D :D

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

Paul,

Left you a message downstairs – my first reaction:

:shock: and “shut up!”

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

It’s you that insist on classifying yourself(african).

Ha ha ha!!! What is this, biology? We’ve been called everything from Colored, Negro, Negroid, N****r, Porch Monkeys, and countless other names, and you think we’re the one’s labeling ourselves??? Get real!!!

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

“I wish, just once, that Bookman would commit truth”

ummm…his ENTIRE POST was a quote from Steele…just exactly WHAT “untruth” did JAY commit?

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
2:01 pm

So, this is Steele’s way of saying to minorities – “We’ve changed! Really! Haven’t you heard? We’re gonna be all fiscally responsible now, just don’t ask us how, but we are really! So, come on! I know we are the party of old white guys, but we’ve changed! I swear!!!”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 22nd, 2010
2:01 pm

Well, if they go after the votes of Those People us Tea Party folks are walking. We never created our movement just to see the Republicans start bringing Those People into the fold. Besides, to get their votes they’ll need to promise to use some of my tax money to help them out.

If you look at the people at the Republican Convention, you can’t hardly help but notice that most all of the folks there was old, maybe a half dozen Those People there, but not so’s you’d notice. That’s the way me and other Conservatives like it.

Have a good day everybody.

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

Smetimes I wish I could call myself one kind of “American” or another, but my collective families must have never said no, because of the diversity in our blood. The best I can do is Heinz 57 American, or Mutt/Mongrel American. I’m tired of marking “other” on the census…

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm

Normal-

Did I mention color? I’ll even help the illegals if they decide they want to become Americans. Learn the language and live a productive life.

As much as diversity is a good thing, I think too many people like to make excuses for why they are bums. If an immegrant can come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their back and become successful, why is it that somebody whose family has been in this country for 200 years needs the government to take care of them because they were born a “minority”?

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

Midori

April 22nd, 2010
2:07 pm

jimmy 62

April 22nd, 2010
2:07 pm

of course the left taps black people in bad schools with no way out, and call any who disagree with the party line ‘uncle toms’. No racism there.

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:07 pm

Normal

Since graduating college, I’ve always answered race identity questions as American. My cousin has been able to trace our family presence here in the US to the late 1700’s. If I’m not American by now, I never will be.

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm

JKL2,
“why is it that somebody whose family has been in this country for 200 years needs the government to take care of them because they were born a “minority”?

Sometimes good people have bad breaks and need the help.
————————————–

Bosch,
What an expression on that Kitty!

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm

JKL2 April 22nd, 2010
1:50 pm
Southern-

“Then why is this an African-American problem? If color of your skin doesn’t matter, why do you insist the Republicans reach out to “your” people?”

Because Republicans don’t believe that African-Americans ARE a constituency worthy of consideraton, don’t believe African-Americans VOTE, don’t believe that African-American concerns SHOULD be addressed!!

Republicans don’t want to believe in their history – in that black people formerly voted for the GOP…but when the racist aspects of conservatism grew with Goldwater in 1964….and flourished under Reagan in 1981….then exploded under Bush in 2002…..and black people complained about it…we were told to keep quiet…quit complaining….be a part of the “mainstream”….

How you forget your history…or desire to revise it!!

Too many people see the African-American vote as monolithic…but fail to recognize the fact that Republican strategies CREATED two monolithic votic blocs: African-American for the Democrats…and Southern Whites for the GOP!! I would love to have options for my vote…but the GOP doesn’t present such an option…for they are antithetical to the things I believe in!!

Paul has issued the CORRECT question: Recognition’s the first step. Now… what to do about it?

Republicans HAVE to ADMIT to the racist qualities that conservatism has…and ELIMINATE IT!!

Republicans HAVE to address the concerns of ALL communities…not just the wealthy, the Caucasian…

Republicans HAVE to eliminate the code words they use to divide the nation: “welfare queens”, “states’ rights”……

Republicans HAVE to recruit in the African-American community…NOT JUST THOSE WITH MONEY!! NOT JUST THOSE WHO KOWTOW to the PARTY RHETORIC!!

That’s a beginning!!!

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
2:12 pm

Southern-

I used to ask my boss to tell me stories about when he was “colored”. You wouldn’t like his response to this subject as he always said race was just another excuse.

I’m sure you never used the N word either. Funny how the Af-Am youth seem to have a monopoly on that term.

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

Normal,

He looks so concerned! I wonder about what – maybe his human is taking him to get neutered. :-)

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

Bravo HDB!!!!! I had stepped out earlier, but to answer your question from the previous thread, I’m a Joe Don Baker “Walking Tall” fan. I haven’t seen the version that The Rock did. JDB just looked like the epitome of bad@ssness in that movie.

AmVet

April 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

Oh Lordy Be.

JB done stirred up the hornet’s nest agin.

“We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,”

Is this even debatable?

Further, they have lost sight of the integral link between the party and actual conservatism.

A sham of a soft on crime political party run by pro-war, pro-corporate sycophants, misfits and reactionaries…

ty webb

April 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

“Republicans HAVE to ADMIT to the racist qualities that conservatism has…and ELIMINATE IT!!”

Good God! gotta be a joke. Someone appears to still be celebrating 4/20.

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

I’m sure you never used the N word either.

To quote Isaac Hayes, “You Damned Right”!! Too many people got killed over that word. Use that word around me, and for some strange reason, fists start flying all over the place. Your boss must really, really like you. If you asked that question to people I know, you’d end up on Fox 5 news or something.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

JKL2

If an immegrant can come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their back and become successful, why is it that somebody whose family has been in this country for 200 years needs the government to take care of them because they were born a “minority”?

Can you understand persecution, denigration, abuse, rape, murder…..then judicial decisions that stated that you weren’t a COMPLETE human being in the eyes of the law (Dred Scott)?? Can you understand that FULL CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION was not afforded until 1964!! Can you understand that African Americans are STILL not looked upon in favor with the majority as is any OTHER ethnic minority in this country? How many non-black minorities are allowed entry into the US…but the wet/dry policy only applies to dark-skinned Haitians and Cubans ??

There are too many DISCRIMINATORY policies that Republican governments have put in place to maintain a Caucasian superiority. The Vietnamese who came to the US were financed by the government…the native-born African-Americans weren’t!! Grant us the same access and financing that was given to the Vietnamese…to the non-black immigrants that were invited here…..

That’s what many have been saying…….

Paul

April 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

Bosch

Saw it. Liked your ending sentence.

I liked the sense of TP humor. They the group of angry, intolerant types (according to media) pleading for understanding, mercy and sensitivity and anger management training for an over-the-top liberal. LOL!

NowReally

April 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm

Thanks, I couldn’t have said it better. :)

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm

Normal@1:47 you are right…that is what I tell my girls all the time. I just hope that they will keep these values instilled in their hearts as they grow older!

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
2:24 pm

“you’d end up on Fox 5 news or something.”

but you know, SoCo…there is that side of “letting go” also. As long as one community of people allows another community to affect them that drastically over a WORD, there’s no going forward. I don’t care how ugly the word is, or in what ugly way it is used…if ANYONE gives another access to control them just by using it…you have conceded that control voluntarily.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

ty webb

April 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm
“Republicans HAVE to ADMIT to the racist qualities that conservatism has…and ELIMINATE IT!!”

Good God! gotta be a joke. Someone appears to still be celebrating 4/20

Nope…no joke!! As serious as a coronary! If you want to know about how many black people used to vote Republican in Georgia, ask Portia Scott, editor of the Atlanta Daily World newspaper. Her father was a leader in the black GOP in Atlanta………

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

Doggone

Those wounds are still painfully fresh in certain parts of Alabama. That kind of talk usually ends up ugly. I’m not saying I condone it, but I understand.

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

JKL2..

Maybe I should re-word not reach out but be more considerate. I do not have a problem with any race…I have traveled and lived in various parts of the world (U.S.Navy). My relationships are based on how I connect with the PERSON and not their race. I have experienced the good and bad side of all nationalities. For some, if they have never had real contact, not some superficial relationship like “oh I work this particular nationality and they ALL are this way” then they would be able to appreciate how much we have in common. One bad experience with a particular race does not categorize all relationships the same!

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

I wasn’t born in 1964. I have a hard time seeing how kids half my age are having trouble with a problem that was “fixed” before I was born. I guess I should be angry my parents didn’t move here in the 60’s because then I guess I would be living in a big plantation house instead of renting.

I don’t set immegration policies so I don’t know where immegrants come from. I guessing your Dem buddies would be in charge of that. The vietnamize got help because we used them in the war.

I’m sure we’ll have the same thing here with the Iraqi’s in a couple years after Obama yanks us out and we leave those that have been helping us to slaughtered. (think Saigon on a bigger scale).

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm

“but I understand.”

Yes, I understand it also…but it IS a hurdle that needs to be crossed and left behind.

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm

I leapt that hurdle long ago. I know of others who, because of their living situations, will have a hard time making that leap. That’s why I said I understand. I’m in complete agreement with you on everything you’ve said, but I can’t completely ignore those who are in worse situations than me.

JKL2

You don’t have to worry too much about Iraqi immigrants. It’s next to impossible for those who have assisted the troops to get immigrant visas, so I don’t think there will be a great rush of immigrants from that country anytime soon. And as far as racial “problems”, they are far from fixed. Both sides are to fault for that.

@@

April 22nd, 2010
2:39 pm

Mick:

No, why was I supposed to?

I was thinking about the movie “Ghost”. You Whoopi, me Swayze.

This one is priceless:

Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

And then the DNC, with help from the Obama campaign, called Bill a racist during the 2008 campaign. They had their REAL black man, although bi-racial.

And this one:

“People don’t walk away from their parties, Their parties walk away from them.

Exactly why I don’t vote democrat anymore (except locally). The Democratic Party never put the wind at the backs of African Americans, they put it in their face….nothing more than a headwind.

How’s unemployment among the African American community with Obama leading the dems?

Doggone:

Boo hoos from Obama. The system is broken.

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

“And we’ve already seen that he’s not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations,” Obama said.

Even though its 527 is going away, MoveOn.org is not completely heeding Obama’s request to stay off the airwaves. Last week, the group teamed up with one of the biggest labor unions, the American Federartion of State, County and Municipal Employees, to go up with a national television ad criticizing Sen. John McCain’s position on the Iraq war.

AmVet

April 22nd, 2010
2:39 pm

The Republiconned believe hundreds of years of systematic brutality, murder, rape and torture were all magically undone in 1964.

Yep, for them the playing field is now level and there gonna do everything possible to make sure the non-whites don’t get any kind of an “edge”.

SoAtl, to you wonderful point at 2:31,

Yesterday while waiting for some test results at the VA I started talking with a black guy about my age sitting next to me. Turns out, we went to boot camp on the exact same day! (What are the chances?) Very interesting, well spoken guy and we shared some stories. But when it came to women and gays, he was a caveman. Used the Q word and said women should not be able to do this, that or the other.

I’m not in the business of “correcting” anybody, so I didn’t say anything.

I just thought to myself, bigotry is everywhere…

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm
I wasn’t born in 1964. I have a hard time seeing how kids half my age are having trouble with a problem that was “fixed” before I was born.

The problem has YET to be fully addressed…so how can it have been “fixed” (in your words)??

Republicans don’t want to admit their failings in the political/racial arena; Republicans don’t want to admit their duplicity in CREATING the animus that currently exists!!

The FIRST step in recovery is to ADMIT that there is a problem!! Republicans have to ADMIT that they have a problem!!!

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm

“but I can’t completely ignore those who are in worse situations than me”

Yes indeed…and as a woman, and a single woman at that, I’m not SO far away from the hurt of insulting words. It wasn’t easy, and it wasn’t quick…but I have learned to school myself not to allow such words to get me upset. I know they aren’t true, and I know they say more about the person using them than they EVER will about me.

And anyway, even if they have me chewing holes in the carpet…I won’t give the user the satisfaction of KNOWING he (it’s usually a he) got to me that bad!

DLJ

April 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm

“The reason blacks should vote GOP is because the first GOP president had hundreds of thousands of men killed to give uindeserving blacks freedom.”

The reason why blacks should not vote GOP is because the first GOP president is dead and we’re left with sour grape-sucking idiots like candide.

North DeKalb Voter

April 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm

I had no idea until this incredible blog that Republicans are the cause and reason that my son is scared ****less to walk around the campus at Ga Tech and fears for his life each day he attempts to get an education there. Are there any other stones left unturned we can blame a Republican on?

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
2:45 pm

I won’t give the user the satisfaction of KNOWING he (it’s usually a he) got to me that bad!

That’s why I’m almost always calm, cool, and collected here. There’s no way I’ll give a complete stranger any type of satisfaction of thinking they’ve gotten to me in any kind of way. I’ll speak my mind though, as I refuse to let anyone walk over me.

Once, I really blew a gasket here, and I appologized to Jay about it. It was more of a bad day situation, but the post I responded to was like the straw that broke the camel’s back that day.

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm

AmVet..you are on point. Sometimes when I am out here on the blogs some of the comments are just mind blowing…Respect is earned in all situations…If a person does not show be respect when I have shown it to them, I know how to keep my distance!

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm

North DeKalb Voter,

“Are there any other stones left unturned we can blame a Republican on?”

Well, there is one – who is shooting at soccer players in DeKalb? I’ll bet it’s a Republican.

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm

“but the post I responded to was like the straw that broke the camel’s back that day.”

yep, we all have THOSE!

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm

Southern-

Well said. I always care about who gets the job done. Smart business owners do too. I understand there is discrimination out there. But if you are good enough, they will come to you to get the job done. What you look like rarely comes up.

I too have seen real poverty and oppression. Too here all the whining in this country is disgusting. When the poverty level is considered 2 flat screen TV’s, satellite, and a cell phone something is wrong.

The definition of “hungry” to the government is missing 2 meals a week. That’s how we get to be fat the fattest country in the world.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm

SoCo – not just in Alabama…go to South Georgia..and ALL OVER Mississippi….the wounds have YET to be healed!! Look at the HBO special “Right America, Wrong Choice”….it shows the deep divisions that still exist!!

@-@@: Exactly why I don’t vote democrat anymore (except locally). The Democratic Party never put the wind at the backs of African Americans, they put it in their face….nothing more than a headwind.

NOT FOR EVERYBODY!! I’ve gotten a GREAT tailwind when Democrats were in charge….but I got dropped OVERBOARD when the GOP was in control!! It’s not as rapid for all as it is for some…but for me, I was unemployed less than 120 days when a Democrat was in the White House (including NOW!)…and over 2 YEARS when a Republican was in the White House…and I’m educated (degreed – multiple) and experienced!!

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm

@@

April 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm

Almost forgot, Doggone! You’re silly. Know why?

You sit in front of your computer all day, every day, aspiring to be a gnat.

HDB:

Whatever, dude.

I’m really the Queen of England with a little time on my hands. Do you trust what I’m telling you? Can you verify?

It’s back to the potting shed for moi.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm

@-@@” C’est la vie!!

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm

“You sit in front of your computer all day, every day, aspiring to be a gnat.”

Again with the insults I see. Looks like you have some hurdles that need to be left behind also.

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

The only president to affect me was Clinton and that was negative. Couldn’t talk about unemployment since I’ve had at least 1 job since I started working in 1980. Maybe you should move out to the midwest. They don’t seem to have all the racial issues you have here.

My biggest fear now is that as a government employee now, I’m going to have to come up with another retirement plan since the government won’t be able to pay my pension or healthcare by the time I retire in another 8 years.

AmVet

April 22nd, 2010
3:07 pm

“Are there any other stones left unturned we can blame a Republican on?”

No, they are not responsible or even involved in anything bad that I can think of…

(Ominous music)

Voice Over: (Michael Palin) June the 4th, 1973, was much like any other summer’s day in Peterborough, and Ralph Melish, a file clerk at an insurance company, was on his way to work as usual when… (da dum!) Nothing happened! (dum dum da dum) Scarcely able to believe his eyes, Ralph Melish looked down. But one glance confirmed his suspicions. Behind a bush, on the side of the road, there was *no* severed arm. No dismembered trunk of a man in his late fifties. No head in a bag. Nothing. Not a sausage. For Ralph Melish, this was *not* to be the start of any trail of events which would not, in no time at all, involve him in neither a tangled knot of suspicion, nor any web of lies, which would, had he been not involved, surely have led him to no other place, than the central criminal court of the Old Bailey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9vAVSCAwH4

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:09 pm

I guess the GOP figured the African-American community was a larger demographic than the simulated lesbian bondage voyeur demographic…who would have guessed?

Midori

April 22nd, 2010
3:10 pm

HCB is on a roll!!

Go, baby , Go!!!!

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:12 pm

“I had no idea until this incredible blog that Republicans are the cause and reason that my son is scared ****less to walk around the campus at Ga Tech and fears for his life each day he attempts to get an education there.”

Maybe not the reason he is scared ****less to walk around the campus at Ga Tech, but perhaps the reason he is scared ****less that his savings will vanish from the bank he puts it into or that the natural world as he knows it now might not be around for his children.

A Lumpkin resident.

April 22nd, 2010
3:13 pm

The reason blacks should vote for the GOP is the same reason as whites: because it is the party of opportunity and self-reliance. If a Black man wants to start a business and make a million dollars and keep the fruits of his labor, he has a better chance of doing that under the Republicans than the Democrats. If a Black man wants to leave the fruits of his labor to his children, he has a better chance of doing that under Republicans than under Democrats. Non-native blacks know this to be true. Hispanic business owners know this to be true. The Republicans did not walk away from blacks… they simply did not offer the handouts that the Democrats offer.

The Republican message: Go to school, learn all you can, work hard, start a business, and the sky is the limit
The Democrat message: You are downtrodden, and we will take from the rich man and give to you to make things more fair.

Which are you going to choose: they guy who is giving you a pittance of something for doing nothing, or the guy who is telling you the world is your oyster but you are going to have to work for it? HMM… give me something for nothing or tell me I am going to have to work?

The GOP does stray from it’s conservative roots. For 8 years under GWB, they spent like drunken sailors and allowed two wars to rage with no clear direction. That is not a reason to abandon them for all time. They still represent the party of greatest opportunity and freedom. That is better than substandard “fairness” and virtual slavery.

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:14 pm

@@,

“It’s back to the potting shed for moi.”

You know that is not legal medicinal or otherwise in GA, right?

Matilda

April 22nd, 2010
3:14 pm

JLK2: “The only president to affect me was Clinton and that was negative.”

Interesting! Would you mind expounding? How many have you had in your lifetime, and how is it that you escaped being affected by all but one, and how is it that the only recent one under whom most of us had any real prosperity (good job, ability to save, etc.) affected you negatively? Please don’t hold out on us now; inquiring minds want to know!

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:18 pm

JKL2: Question: Are you originally from here….or did you relocate here (from where)??

I ask that because as a native Southerner (ATL IS home), our experiences will differ! I HAVE gone and lived in the Midwest (Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa)..and you’re ABSOLUTELY RIGHT; the racial issues aren’t as pronounced as they are in the South! The history of Southern racism still drags people here down!! It’s that aspect and the perpetuation of the same by Southern Republicans that affects voting patterns here!!

Southern Comfort

April 22nd, 2010
3:19 pm

If a Black man wants to leave the fruits of his labor to his children, he has a better chance of doing that under Republicans than under Democrats.

How do you explain the advancements under Clinton? Or any advancements by Blacks during Democratic Governorships? It has nothing to do with who’s in charge of the government. It’s more of who’s in control of the business climate. Large and by far, that belongs to Caucasian Males. Even women don’t get a fair shake in the business world. There are exceptions for females and minorities, but in the grand scheme of things, those groups are not condusive to business in the U.S. as shown by the number of seats on Board of Directors or CEO’s.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2010
3:19 pm

I’ve been trying to square what Steele’s quoted as saying in Jay’s copy/paste, and what he also says here in the story Jay linked, to wit:

Steele said he is telling Republicans around the country to work with the Tea Party activists to elect Republicans this fall.

“I have advised our state chairs: Don’t turn your nose up, or turn away those who are active in the Tea Party movement. Embrace them. Welcome them. Talk to them,” Steele said. “Those activists have now become a very large part of our voting bloc.

I really don’t know how he can expect to draw African-American support to the GOP while simultaneously embracing the folks who are distinctly less likely that white Americans at large to think of blacks as “hard working,” “intelligent”, or “trustworthy.”

Bosch

April 22nd, 2010
3:20 pm

Who’d a thunk it – a Lumpkin County resident hating on liberals. :roll:

SOUTHERN ATL

April 22nd, 2010
3:22 pm

HDB@3:18…Valid points!

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:25 pm

Steele should be more concerned with the RNC finances:

“Barely 6 1/2 months before the midterm elections, an internal investigation by the Republican National Committee has revealed that the organization is beset with questionable financial management and oversight and is spending more money courting top-dollar donors than it raises.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/22/internal-rnc-report-details-mismanagement/

But, then again, Gulfstream VI jets are quite expensive…

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
3:26 pm

A Lumpkin resident.

April 22nd, 2010
3:13 pm

At least I know why you live in Lumpkin County now…geez… :)

But seriously,
“The GOP does stray from it’s conservative roots. For 8 years under GWB, they spent like drunken sailors and allowed two wars to rage with no clear direction. That is not a reason to abandon them for all time. They still represent the party of greatest opportunity and freedom. That is better than substandard “fairness” and virtual slavery.”

The above was true during Eisenhower’s day, but not any more. There is no middle in the GOP. The hard, far right ideologue, that the GOP favors now, makes them unable to see what the needs and wants of the American people are. These are still scarey times and too many people are still losing their homes and jobs. Why hold out in times of need, acting that they are fiscal conservatives, when all they want, really, is an epic fail of the Obama Administration.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:27 pm

A Lumpkin resident. April 22nd, 2010
3:13 pm

There IS quite a bit of difference between theory and actual application:

1) The reason blacks should vote for the GOP is the same reason as whites: because it is the party of opportunity and self-reliance.
If that is the case, why is education funding cut under Republican Administrations…but increased under Democratic Administrations? Why was NCLB an UNFUNDED MANDATE for educational standards! Education IS the avenue to create self-reliance…but if the money’s not there…how does one proceed??

2) The Republicans did not walk away from blacks… they simply did not offer the handouts that the Democrats offer.
Handouts? Education, Affirmative Action…which granted equal OPPORTUNITY…whereas Republicans decried it! How many national ELECTED officials are REPUBLICAN…and how many have there been since 1960? (Answer: Presently – NONE….since 1960 – 3!) How many people are suffering under home foreclosures created by the past Republican Administration??

I went to school..became educated…played by the rules..and prospered — MORESO when a DEMOCRAT was in the White House!!

Here’s a question for your full analysis to counter your argument:
Have you ever been black and UNEMPLOYED in a Republican Administration??

I HAVE…and it AIN’T PRETTY!!!

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2010
3:28 pm

If a Black man wants to start a business and make a million dollars and keep the fruits of his labor, he has a better chance of doing that under the Republicans than the Democrats.

Really? Care to back that up with something other than what you’ve been told?

Might want to start here, but you’re not going to like it, I don’t think.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php

Under Democratic presidents, every income class did well but the poorest did best. The bottom 20% had average pretax income growth of 2.63% per year while the top 5% showed pretax income growth of 2.11% per year.

Republicans were polar opposites. Not only was their overall performance worse than Democrats, but it was wildly tilted toward the well off. The bottom 20% saw pretax income growth of only .6% per year while the top 5% enjoyed pretax income growth of 2.09% per year. (What’s more, the trendline is pretty clear: if the chart were extended to show the really rich — the top 1% and the top .1% — the Republican growth numbers for them would be higher than the Democratic numbers.)

In other words, Republican presidents produce poor economic performance because they’re obsessed with helping the well off. Their focus is on the wealthiest 5%, and the numbers show it. At least 95% of the country does better under Democrats.

Jay

April 22nd, 2010
3:28 pm

You know, as long as Republicans cling to this insulting rationale for their lack of black support — “The Republicans did not walk away from blacks… they simply did not offer the handouts that the Democrats offer” — they’re going to get nowhere.

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
3:29 pm

Matilda-

The only thing Clinton did was sit back and take credit for the Reagan economy we were all living off of.

Clinton was all for burying our heads in the sand so he cut military spending and reduced the size of the Army to half of what it was when he took office. I’m waiting for Obama to do the same because the government is going bankrupt and will no longer be able to afford to do one of the few things listed in the Constitution that it is responsible for(common defense).

The joke for years is that people keep saying “send more troops”. The truth is we don’t have any more troops to send. We had more Soldier’s in Kuwait for Desert Storm than we have in the entire military today.

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:33 pm

SoCo — Sympatico, my friend!! You up for a beer tomorrow….??

AmVet

April 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

“I too have seen real poverty and oppression.”

Color me (get it?) dubious.

Lumpkin, though no less true in the “real” world, the old adage is even more painfully obvious here – “Opinions are like ________, everybody has one.”

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

HDB-

Originally from IL. I have lived in KY, SC, VA, TX, CO, WI, Germany and Iraq. Moved down here in January.

Soothsayer

April 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

I want to personally invite everyone to watch “Future Earth: Addicted to Power” which premieres April 22 (tonight) at 11:00 pm. on MSNBC. It is about America’s energy needs.

josef nix

April 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm

Whee! I just love this topic!!

SoCo-
@ 1:59

I thought I had heard them all, but Porch Monkey is a new one! I think I could fall into that classification with little proble, just give me a Tanqueray or Bombay and gin… :-)

Also, in refernce to some of our other conversations, I would say that the Creek grandmother would give you roots not shared by many in America.

JKL2

Learn the language? Which one? Spanish? After all, it has been spoken not only in what is the United States but Georgia, too, longer than any of the other European imperialist languages. French and Russian join it and English as colonial languages of The United States of America. What the h3ll, though, as Unmentionable says, my vote is for Tsa-la-gi…

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:36 pm

“they’re going to get nowhere.”

and if they are insisting on remaining the party of the white male, they will be increasingly marginalizing themselves….

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
3:37 pm

Originally from IL.

I have a bumper sticker you might be interested in…

Yankee, Welcome to The South…Now Go Home! :D

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:37 pm

SFD…..is that on point or WHAT??
Jay…some people just don’t get it, do they??
JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
3:29 pm
Matilda-
The only thing Clinton did was sit back and take credit for the Reagan economy we were all living off of.

The Reagan economy did nothing but enrichen those who were already rich!! I asked this question of most conservatives to ascertain what level of truth they were aware of:

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN BLACK AND UNEMPLOYED IN A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION??

Note SFD’s previous post….and the answer speaks volumes!!

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm

Josef,

Happy Earth Day! Did your kids do anything for the day?

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:41 pm

josef nix,

“just give me a Tanqueray or Bombay and gin…”

Bombay Sapphire martini straight up with a lemon twist…

GoingBroke

April 22nd, 2010
3:42 pm

So people voted for Obama because of his proven track record?

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:44 pm

JKL2

April 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm
HDB-

Originally from IL. I have lived in KY, SC, VA, TX, CO, WI, Germany and Iraq. Moved down here in January.

See, we have opposite experiences. Originally from Atlanta…lived in Denver, Boston, NY, DC, Philly, Chicago, Minneapolis, Des Moines. Moved back home in 2005 to care for my mother!! I’ve experienced both the South, Midwest, and Northeast. Midwestern conservatism is more fiscally based; Southern conservatism is more racially based!! I can understand your viewpoint, for the Midwest is a bit more enlightened than the South!!

@Josef Nix: Question – how dirty is that martini….and how many olives?? (At least 3 for me!!…with Bombay Sapphire!!)

jewcowboy

April 22nd, 2010
3:36 pm
“they’re going to get nowhere.”

and if they are insisting on remaining the party of the white male, they will be increasingly marginalizing themselves….

The problem is — all of the noise they make will make “thinking” people react rather than to think for themselves! The squeeky wheel always gets greased…and the little guy always gets screwed!!

Normal

April 22nd, 2010
3:45 pm

I posted this early this morning but I thought it was worth another go…

A dear old, tea drinking friend sent it to me and well, I :lol:

Dear Lord,

This year you took my favorite actor; Patrick Swayze. You took my favorite actress; Farah Fawcett. You took my favorite singer; Michael Jackson. I just want you to know my favorite president is Barak Obama.

Yours truly,

josef nix

April 22nd, 2010
3:46 pm

Normal–

Yeah, they took that stupid math section of that abomination the CRCT and then this p.m. they got to go outside and enjoy a glorious Atlanta Spring day…

NOMAL

As Secretary for Immigration of the People’s Democratic Republic of the South, I have seen no application for citizenship in any of the languages of the Occupation, and will take his case under advisement once received. Failure to do so within 90 days and he will be recommended for immediate repatriation, his properties seized and the value therefrom allocated to the Resitution Fund… :-)

HDB

April 22nd, 2010
3:46 pm

JKL2 – Almost forgot: visited London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Sydney, Auckland, No-Bay, Edmonton, and Toronto…..