Do jobless checks subsidize laziness? Research shows….

Do unemployment benefits reduce the incentive to find work and thus increase the length of unemployment?

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Percentage of American work force unemployed six months or longer. Underlying data series from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Gray bars denote recessions (latest trough tentatively dated 6/09). Source: Federal Reserve Board of San Francisco.

It’s an interesting question, made more pertinent by the record increase in unemployment duration during the current recession. As of March, 4.3 percent of the U.S. work force had been unemployed for at least six months, much higher than the previous record of 2.6 percent in the ‘83 recession.

The question has largely broken along political lines. Some conservatives have argued yes, unemployment benefits lengthen unemployment because they in effect subsidize laziness. Liberals, on the other hand, point out that in the current economy the problem is a great shortage of jobs, not of job seekers. Statistics indicate that there are five or six job seekers for every job opening, with thousands of eager applicants showing up at every job fair.

Economists at the San Francisco Federal Reserve decided to tackle the issue, and seem to have hit upon a pretty good way to approach it. As they point out, roughly two-thirds of the unemployed are eligible for unemployment benefits, because they held full-time jobs that they lost through no fault of their own.

However, that leaves a significant number of unemployed who cannot collect benefits. The ineligible may have left their jobs voluntarily, they may have been self-employed or independent contractors, they may have been fired for cause or they may be new entrants into the job market. For whatever reason, they are jobless, they want jobs, but they collect no unemployment benefits.

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Unemployment duration by reason (through December 2009, three-month moving average). The solid vertical line indicates the recession start; the dashed lines indicate effective dates for UI extensions (through 12/09). Source: Federal Reserve Board of San Francisco.

With two groups of unemployed — one that is collecting benefits, one that is not collecting benefits — you can begin to get at an answer. How long on average does each group remain unemployed? Put more bluntly, how big is this supposed “laziness subsidy?”

Here’s what they found:

“As of the fourth quarter of 2009, the expected duration of unemployment had risen about 18.7 weeks for job losers and about 17.1 weeks for leavers and entrants, using the years 2006-2007 as a baseline. The differential increase of 1.6 weeks for job losers is the presumed impact of extended UI benefits on unemployment duration.”

In other words, it exists, but it’s not much.

They also note that extended unemployment benefits (now as long as 99 weeks in some states, including Georgia) keep people in the official job market who might otherwise become discouraged and quit looking (proof of active job-seeking is a requirement of collecting benefits.) Without benefits, those people would cease going through even the motions of job search and drop out of the workforce altogether, dropping the official unemployment rate from 10 percent to 9.6 percent.

Their conclusion:

Although economists have shown that extended availability of UI benefits will increase unemployment duration, the effect in the latest downturn appears quite small compared with other determinants of the unemployment rate. Our analyses suggest that extended UI benefits account for about 0.4 percentage point of the nearly 6 percentage point increase in the national unemployment rate over the past few years. It is not surprising that the disincentive effects of UI would loom small in the midst of the most severe labor market downturn since the Great Depression.

337 comments Add your comment

Kamchak

April 21st, 2010
1:28 pm

But…but…but…how will we blame Those People now?

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
1:31 pm

“how will we blame Those People now?”

Easy…”never let a good lie die”

Jack

April 21st, 2010
1:36 pm

F-105 Thunderchief

April 21st, 2010
1:44 pm

Being on unemployment would help, but I’d be darned nervous about being jobless and busting my hump to find something else. I suspect many would feel the same way, not like they were on vacation.

Paul

April 21st, 2010
1:48 pm

A most clever way to approach the research.

Who’s gonna be the first to say the results are biased in favor of the traditional liberal view because it was tht San Francisco Federal Reserve that conducted the study?

Speaking of a guy who may be unemployed – the Oregon teacher being investigated for criminal activity in conjunction with the Tea Party movement – seems the local TP group has said they don’t want the guy fired.

Instead, they want him to attend sensitivity training and anger management courses.

Seriously! LOL! Who says those angry folks don’t have a sense of humor?

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
1:49 pm

“Who’s gonna be the first to say the results are biased in favor of the traditional liberal view because it was tht San Francisco Federal Reserve that conducted the study?”

I guess you are.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
1:50 pm

Never underestimate the ability of the Republican mind to establish a non-existant cause-and-effect if there are political points to be gained from it. The next thing you know, they’ll be telling us that lowering taxes to zero will increase tax revenues. Unfortunately, their constituency will believe it.

Dadgumdumb/GA

April 21st, 2010
1:56 pm

Slow it down Dog/GA. Give someone else a chance to post. We aren’t all sitting around waiting on pins and needles for your ridiculous responses on virtually every comment.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
1:58 pm

Between the $1600 a month in check and the $600 month for Cobra, unemployment benefits are so amazing, I don’t know why anyone would ever look for a job…

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:00 pm

“Give someone else a chance to post”

Wow! No one told me that Jay turned over control of this blog to you. Congratulations! Now, if you don’t want me here…you can have the fun of blocking my posts. Ownership has that power, you know.

Kamchak

April 21st, 2010
2:02 pm

Doggone/GA

Looks like you got your own personal leg-humper.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:03 pm

Doggone/GA,

You have an admirer. Enjoy it but be aware that admirers can turn into stalkers and then it’s all downhill. The next thing you know, you’ll need a restraining order requiring that your virtual stalker stay a minimum of three posts away from your posts, etc.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
2:03 pm

Doggone/GA,

“No one told me that Jay turned over control of this blog to you. ”

C’mon…2 posts in 30 minutes…that is crazy fast posting. You must a 14400 modem or something. ;)

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:05 pm

“Looks like you got your own personal leg-humper”

Yeah, the last refuge of the idea-less…criticise someone for doing the very same thing YOU are doing (in this case, posting on a blog)

Fun and games.

Jay

April 21st, 2010
2:07 pm

Let’s get back on this topic, or some topic, or anything but each other, because that never ends well.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
2:09 pm

In looking at the top graph, I noticed a trend. It readily shows that spikes in 6 month or longer unemployment follows recessions. That much is to be expected but if you will look at the low points in unemployment, the good times or dips in the graph, the numbers of long term unemployed are getting larger as the cycles progress.

Is that due to population growth? Perhaps it is, but I wonder if it doesn’t show a more long term problem that we need to be looking at. If long-term unemployment is growing in the good cycles, we need to figure out why and address it.

As to Jay’s original question, “Do jobless checks subsidize laziness?”, I’m sure it does in a few cases, humans being humans and all, but I doubt it’s anywhere as widespread as some folks believe.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:11 pm

“anything but each other, because that never ends well.”

Yep, no doubt. We’re just waiting for the nay-sayers to catch up that there’s a new topic!

Midori

April 21st, 2010
2:13 pm

Hi Doggone :)

looks like you’ve hit quite a nerve.

GOOD JOB!!!

Paul

April 21st, 2010
2:13 pm

Okay, who’s gonna be first to ask why, if the expected duration of unemployment in this study is 17-19 weeks, why have Democrats put thru a 99-week unemployment benefits scheme?

Why, by golly, I guess I am!

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:16 pm

“If long-term unemployment is growing in the good cycles, we need to figure out why and address it.”

Hillbilly – it would be interesting to look back at the cycles in the “good times” too. Because if the long-term unemployment trend you’ve noticed seems to recur in “generational” cycles (roughly 18-20 years) it might be a result of larger numbers of births in the “good times” that lead to an “excess” number of new unemployed 19-20 years later.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:21 pm

Why is Georgia’s unemployment rate so high? It must be due to stimulus money. Cash for clunkers, huh.

Jay

April 21st, 2010
2:24 pm

There are several explanations, Paul.

One would be that the 99-week extension is available only in those states with a particularly high unemployment rate.

Another would be that the 18 weeks you cite is actually the INCREASE over the 12-week average duration of unemployment, meaning that the average length of unemployment is now 30 weeks.

A third would be that average means average. Some people, depending on luck, job skills, networking, persistence, will get a new job in a few days. An unemployed autoworker in Michigan, on the other hand, might have a much harder time.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:25 pm

“Do jobless checks subsidize laziness?”,

Perhaps I can apply for a research grant to study this question. I wonder if I would have problems getting participants for a long-term study.

Jay

April 21st, 2010
2:26 pm

And I should add that when I interviewed Saxby Chambliss and Mitch McConnell recently, both were strongly supportive of extended benefits, and rejected my question about whether it might be time to curtail them. They questioned how Dems financed those benefits, but were very much in support of the benefits themselves.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:27 pm

An unemployed autoworker in Michigan, on the other hand, might have a much harder time.

MicroSoft has lots of openings if you speak Mandarin Chinese and are willing to relocate, at your own expense, of course.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:30 pm

CHK or ADM? Hmmmmm!

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
2:32 pm

If the average Georgian gets $3900 per month in (gross) pay, the $1760 (gross) a month in unemployment compensation is not the golden egg Republicans seem to think it is. If anything, it will help stretch savings a bit longer…that is about it.

No one who is making a decent wage, is going to settle for half a paycheck for very long.

NowReally

April 21st, 2010
2:34 pm

As someone who has NEVER collected unemployment insurance (thank God); I find the thought of (jobless benefits = lazy) as uninformed rhetoric. On my lazy days the thought of quitting or volunteering to resign from my JOB; never occurred. I guess because I like having a home and food to eat; much more than I like being unemployed.
Matter of fact, everyone I know that is currently unemployed was gainfully employed for 20 years or more with the same company. These people were so lazy; they went to work for 20 years for a company that eventually moved overseas. They were so lazy; they gave up combined incomes of more than $100,000 to live on unemployment benefits.

Wow, being lazy really does pay.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:35 pm

“No one who is making a decent wage, is going to settle for half a paycheck for very long”

Agreed…but let’s put it this way: No one who is making a decent wage, is going to settle for half a paycheck for ANY LONGER THAN THEY HAVE TO

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:39 pm

Agreed…but let’s put it this way: No one who is making a decent wage, is going to settle for half a paycheck for ANY LONGER THAN THEY HAVE TO

Hence, the Republican answer is to make sure that you don’t have to by eliminating that unemployment subsidy. Problem solved. All people will be forced to stay employed or else.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:41 pm

“All people will be forced to stay employed or else.”

But, but…isn’t that SOCIALISM?!

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:42 pm

I’ve got lots of $5/hour jobs. No benefits. Eight hours of work for eight hours of pay. No takers though. Even I refuse to do it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
2:43 pm

jewcowboy @ 2:32

I would be curious as to where you got those figures. Both numbers seem high to me. Not saying you’re wrong, just curious.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:44 pm

“Even I refuse to do it”

Sounds like the guy looking for a job, who got insulted when all he could fine was work.

Kamchak

April 21st, 2010
2:44 pm

NowReally

April 21st, 2010
2:46 pm

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:42 pm

At that rate it would be better to be your slave. At least you will house and feed me.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:46 pm

But, but…isn’t that SOCIALISM?!

“You Go!” Get job. Build cars. Cheap cars. Everyone have car. Same car. No need door locks or ignition switch… .

Paul

April 21st, 2010
2:47 pm

Thanks,Jay (2:24)

I was kinda hoping a regular would’ve picked up on it.

My main thought, though, was that regardless of duration – whether it’s 18 weeks or 99 weeks, the main thesis holds – regardless of benefits, most people want a job.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....

April 21st, 2010
2:47 pm

I’ve had people ask me to fire them so that they could collect unemployment and lay up at the house, but I’m sure that a White House socialist stooge probably knows more about it than us out here in the world do, just sayin…

@@

April 21st, 2010
2:48 pm

I’m not gonna go so far as to call it lazy, jay, but diminishing the sense of urgency? Yeah.

That graph almost makes it appear the democrats know there won’t be any jobs forthcoming since 99 weeks beats the average. Well, nobody knows better than the person(s) whose intentions are known only to them what their reasoning might be.

The dems bleed money we don’t have for the unemployed, but when it comes to stimulating job growth in the private sector? They put a tourniquet on that one.

Doggone:

I’m gonna sign up for sensitivity classes just for you. NOT! When have you ever seen me argue for civility? I’ve always said the individual who “feels” insulted has to be the one to get past it. You can’t? Your problem, not mine…you silly girl.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
2:48 pm

TaxPayer,

“I’ve got lots of $5/hour jobs. No benefits. Eight hours of work for eight hours of pay. No takers though. Even I refuse to do it.”

I was listening to a story on NPR about a week or so ago, about this very problem. It seems, even with 10% unemployment, the agricultural industry is finding it more and more difficult to find employees. Most legal employees do not want these jobs, and they increasingly cannot hire undocumented workers…

Dusty

April 21st, 2010
2:49 pm

Oh no, a new subject with the same old bloggers. We need a CHANGE…….Where’s Obama when you need him….SUBSIDIZE bloggers I say!!!!! Better results!!!

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
2:49 pm

Obama’s Private Army is real.

See the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act, page 1312:
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act-as-passed.pdf

SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.

Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT–

(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.

(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.

(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training.

(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.

(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.

[Note here that those personally appointed by BO -- without advice and consent of the Senate -- automatically become a part of the Regular Corps. Ed.]

(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESERVE.–

(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.

(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–

(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;

(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;

(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and

(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.

(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.

Peadawg

April 21st, 2010
2:52 pm

Like I’ve said, as long as there is PROOF that the unemployed are ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR A JOB, then there’s no problem.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:53 pm

“you silly girl”

Thanks for playing.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
2:53 pm

It seems, even with 10% unemployment, the agricultural industry is finding it more and more difficult to find employees. Most legal employees do not want these jobs, and they increasingly cannot hire undocumented workers…

Perhaps the legal employees don’t want them, at the salary offered. That would indicate a shortage of labor, so if the law of supply and demand works, the cost of labor should go up. Maybe they could find more workers, if they offered to pay higher wages.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:54 pm

“as long as there is PROOF that the unemployed are ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR A JOB”

and there IS proof…it’s a requirement in order to GET unemployment benefits.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
2:56 pm

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
2:57 pm

“but when it comes to stimulating job growth in the private sector?”

Why is the government’s job to stimulate job growth in the private sector? You can’t have it both ways, either the government intervenes in the private world or it doesn’t – you don’t get to chose the ways of intervention based on how you think the world should work. Either you want the governments help, or you don’t. But if you are against unemployment benefits, then by default you must also be against government stimulating the economy in the private sector.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
2:57 pm

“Maybe they could find more workers, if they offered to pay higher wages”

I think the real issue is the claim that “illegals are taking jobs from “real” Americans” Which claim is sort of “shot in the foot” by the FACT that “real Americans” don’t WANT those jobs.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
2:58 pm

jewcowboy

Thanks for the links.

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
2:58 pm

Peadawg,

In order to get unemployment benefits, you must provide proof you are actively looking for a job.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
2:58 pm

jewcowboy,

That reminds me. It’s about time to get out there and plant some seed. At least I don’t have to learn a second language in order to tell myself what to do. That’s gotta be worth something. Then again… Note to self. Take these seed and place them six inches, excuse me, make that 15 centimeters, apart… I can use this yard stick… . :roll:

Math! It’s a universal language. It’s the units that mess it up.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
2:59 pm

Which claim is sort of “shot in the foot” by the FACT that “real Americans” don’t WANT those jobs.

But they might, if they paid more. We’ll never know as long as things stay as they are now.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
2:59 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe,

“Maybe they could find more workers, if they offered to pay higher wages.”

But the price they can offer their product is set by global standards, and therein lies the rub. If they pay they workers more, they have to charge more for their product, but no one is going to pay more for a head of lettuce from California than one from Chile.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
3:00 pm

Take these seed and place them six inches, excuse me, make that 15 centimeters, apart…

I just plant mine a step apart; I don’t have to remember any measurements that way. ;-)

md

April 21st, 2010
3:00 pm

“Maybe they could find more workers, if they offered to pay higher wages.”

And that may depend on the cost of the goods in question. When it comes to food, folks want it cheap, and bitch like crazy when it isn’t. Good ole catch 22.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
3:03 pm

no one is going to pay more for a head of lettuce from California than one from Chile.

Maybe I’m just weird but I would (disclaimer, I grow my own). I’d rather pay a little more for a product than to pay unemployment benefits for somebody who is out of a job. In the long run, I think it’d be more cost efficient to keep people working. I do back flips trying to find U.S. made products to buy.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
3:03 pm

Why is the government’s job to stimulate job growth in the private sector?

Because the Republicans are getting even more desperate to come up with something, anything, to divert attention away from their own failed policies. Otherwise, they would be bragging about how their policies have eliminated employment problems in Georgia, for example.

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
3:05 pm

Hillbilly,

You planted your garden yet?

Jay

April 21st, 2010
3:05 pm

Enforcer, you do realize that that’s a Ready Reserve Corps of PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICERS who will report to SURGEON GENERAL? You know, in an epidemic? These are trained epidemiologists and physicians.

And somehow in the overheated imagination of some on the right, this becomes a corps of jackbooted thugs ready to bring the American people to heel by the dictator Obama.

Whew boy. What email did THAT one come in?

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:07 pm

Taxpayer,

I agree with that – it always defies logic for the GOP to be so anti-government, everything the government does is stupid, but then turn around and say, well, by God, the government needs to be out there creating jobs! The only jobs it needs to create are government jobs. The rest is up to the private world. The only intervention the government needs in the business world is to create laws to make sure they act nice and play fair – and collect their taxes.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
3:07 pm

“But they might, if they paid more. We’ll never know as long as things stay as they are now”

Maybe…but remember, these are the people who harvest our food and clean the crops for packing. If you raise their pay, you raise the cost of their…and our…food, too.

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:08 pm

Sorry, Jay, I let one of our inter-office memos slip out. Apparently it got into the wrong hands.

md

April 21st, 2010
3:08 pm

“you do realize that that’s a Ready Reserve Corps of PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICERS who will report to SURGEON GENERAL?”

Armed with microchips??

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
3:09 pm

“Obama’s Private Army is real.”

Vs. Bush’s – Xe Services LLC…and they are even hiring:

http://xecompany.hrmdirect.com/employment/openings.php

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

md,

“Armed with microchips??”

And monkeys. Well, that’s what I heard.

cranky old man

April 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

Yes, conservatives don’t like unemployment benefits because of their belief that it causes laziness. As the study showed, there is a certain amount of truth to that, although the effect is almost negligible. But the real reason they hate unemployment benefits is because they want to keep people as hungry and desparate as possible, so they’ll take the first lousy low paying job they can find. If people have some breathing room, they’ll hold out for a job that pays better. This will have the effect of driving up wages, which is something conservatives absolutely despise.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

“Armed with microchips??”

For the bungholes of all Americans.

Paul

April 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

Hillybilly 3:03

And there’s the problem. Many advocate something in theory, but in practice,it’s another story.

Remember all those Made in USA stickers some years back on WalMart products? Gone. Most stuff seems to be made in China. WalMart offered stuff for a nickel less, people go there. Heck, people drive miles to save a few cents on a gallon of gas.

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:11 pm

OK Jay…. What if Bush had done it? And… Who does the surgeon general report to?

National Emergency? Who decides?

Is it in the bill or not?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
3:12 pm

Taxpayer

Hopefully, in the next couple days. Got to finish getting the tractor back together so I can plow.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 21st, 2010
3:15 pm

Paul @ 3:10

Oh, I know what you say is true. I’m only responsible for my behavior, though. I try to walk the walk, in what I believe. I admire anybody who does that, whether their views are the same as mine or 180 degrees apart.

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:15 pm

Hey Jay,

(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.

Are these epidemiologists?

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
3:15 pm

“What email did THAT one come in?”

Always good for a laugh, they are

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:15 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe,

I wonder if anyone has ever priced out a garden vs. buying a vegetable in a store. I was thinking about that the other day. I’m not much of a garden person, I grew some tomatoes once, and I think by the time I ate them, they were worth about $70 a piece. They were good, and there is nothing like home grown veggies, but I think I’ll just go to the grocery store and buy me a tomato this year. Anywho…food for thought (get it? FOOD for thought?) :-)

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:16 pm

Doctors with guns?

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:16 pm

With all due respect Jay,

Pack a lunch.

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:17 pm

ENFORCER!!! LOOK BEHIND YOU!!! THERE’S A HUGE BLACK HELICOPTER!!!!

BOOOO!!!

md

April 21st, 2010
3:17 pm

“This will have the effect of driving up wages, which is something conservatives absolutely despise.”

And driving up the costs of goods. Let’s put it all on the table, instead of just the talking points.

Jay

April 21st, 2010
3:17 pm

What if Bush had assembled a Ready Reserve of epidemiologists?

Great.

I don’t know if you’ve met many epidemiologists and public health officers, Enforcer, but they’re not the type on which you’d build a brutal dictatorship. Germs should be afraid of them … very afraid.

But they wouldn’t know one end of an M-16 from the other.

jewcowboy

April 21st, 2010
3:19 pm

Bosch @ 3.17,

Shame on you! Don’t you know that is good way to get a paranoid “conservative” to start shooting?

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:19 pm

BTW Jay,

We have FEMA and the CDC. Why does he need this?

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:19 pm

Doggone,

“Always good for a laugh, they are”

Actually, I don’t think those emails are funny at all – it’s perpetrating misinformation to excite fear – in other words, terrorism. And dumb asses like Enforcer believe it.

md

April 21st, 2010
3:19 pm

“Heck, people drive miles to save a few cents on a gallon of gas.”

Yep, they spend $10 in gas driving to save $1, but boy are they proud.

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:20 pm

My mother is an epidemiologist in FL. She shoots 24 out of 25 in Skeet.

Boo Hoo !

TaxPayer

April 21st, 2010
3:21 pm

Hillbilly,

The only problem I’ve had so far with my Chinese-built tractor is that it keeps trying to plow the rows 1.2 meters apart instead of four feet. It’s about to drive me crazy. The worse thing is that the diesel tank only accepts liters and all I have is a five-gallon can!

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:21 pm

Enforcer,

Well, we need FEMA to disguise our determent camps. Oops! I’m so getting in trouble for leaking that.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
3:21 pm

“they were worth about $70 a piece”

$70! Do yourself a favor, check out “mulch gardening” – saves a LOT of time, trouble, wear-and-tear, and money. My sister and I did a mulch garden one time – a “beach towel” garden about 3 feet x 6 feet. Grew minature corn, bush peas, bush beans, radishes, carrots, minature watermelons, minature canteloupe, bush tomatoes and short-vine cucumbers. And all it cost was the price of the seeds, the cost of a bale of spoiled hay for mulch, and about 2 hours getting the plants in the ground.

The mulch reduces or eliminates weeding, cuts down on how much watering you need to do..and decays into a nice, loamy soil AND fertilizer. All we had to do was watch the stuff grow and then pick it when it was ready.

md

April 21st, 2010
3:21 pm

“it’s perpetrating misinformation to excite fear – in other words, terrorism.”

Sounds like a couple of political parties I know of.

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:21 pm

Doggone,

Earlier, I meant to write “aren’t funny”

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:22 pm

misinformation? READ THE BILL YOU WINGNUT. Page 1312.

Don’t call me a liar.

“We need to pass the bill so the American people can find out what’s in it.” – Nancy Pelosi

Jay

April 21st, 2010
3:24 pm

Why does he need this?

Because the CDC is underfunded just trying to do its job in normal times, and this “Ready Reserve” consists of former CDC experts who would be brought back in to help out in case of an epidemic or biological attack or other calamity, when the resources of the CDC itself would otherwise be overwhelmed.

However, I do realize that my responding in such fashion is futile, because paranoia cannot be eased by such things as logic and facts.

Bosch

April 21st, 2010
3:24 pm

Doggone,

“Do yourself a favor, check out “mulch gardening” – saves a LOT of time, trouble, wear-and-tear, and money. My sister and I did a mulch garden one time – a “beach towel” garden about 3 feet x 6 feet.”

I think I’m just cursed in all ways gardening. But it never stops me from trying. I’m gonna be out there this weekend giving it my all.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
3:24 pm

“And dumb asses like Enforcer believe it.”

I agree, they aren’t REALLY funny…but there is some humor in that fact that they’re so all gung-ho for being responsible, and independent and all that stuff…and then they follow that stuff like blind lemmings.

Paul

April 21st, 2010
3:25 pm

Hillybilly

I’ve a debit/credit card. Funds are out of my account the same day, difference is I get more points if it’s a credit transaction. I even went so far as to always use it as a debit at a privately-owned store I’ve gone to for a long time. One day I told the owner I always used debit as I understood the bank charges merchants a low rate for debit and a high one for credit. He said nope, same charge. I said heck with that. I used it as credit. Triple points.

TaxPayer

And you think my sense of humor is weird?

:-)

Obama Regime Enforcer

April 21st, 2010
3:25 pm

Page 1312 Doggone/GA.

Tell us it isn’t there. I dare you.

Doggone/GA

April 21st, 2010
3:26 pm

“I think I’m just cursed in all ways gardening”

Mulch gardening takes a LOT of the bad luck out of it!

stands for decibels

April 21st, 2010
3:26 pm

Actually, jcb, I am not altogether sure of your “average Georgian makes 3900 per month” statement either. Not a huge deal, but the Census site you linked pegs median household income in GA at $50,861, obviously that includes a lot of two-income households.

On the other hand, that median income amounts to $4238/month, not 3900, so maybe I’m missing something else, here.

Jay

April 21st, 2010
3:26 pm

Then I hate to break it to you, Enforcer. Your momma’s probably part of Obama’s secret Ready Reserve.

And you KNOW you’re going to do exactly what Momma says, or ELSE!!!!!!