‘Repeal and replace’ already being repealed, replaced
“Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that’s roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama’s new health care law.
It’s fine to criticize the health law and the way Democrats pushed it through Congress without a single GOP vote, these party leaders say. But focusing on its outright repeal carries two big risks.
Repeal is politically and legally unlikely, and grass-roots activists may feel disillusioned by a failed crusade. More important, say strategists from both parties, a fiercely repeal-the-bill stance might prove far less popular in a general election than in a conservative-dominated GOP primary, especially in states such as Illinois and California….”
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who chairs the committee responsible for electing GOP senators this fall, said in an interview, “The focus really should be on the misplaced priorities of the administration” and Congress’ Democratic leaders.
“The No. 1 concern of the public is jobs and people losing their homes,” he said. “The administration has been obsessing on this health care bill.”
As the story notes, GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk of Illinois was promising two weeks ago to “lead the effort” to repeal the measure. “On Tuesday, when asked repeatedly by reporters whether he still wants it repealed, Kirk would say only that he opposes the new taxes and Medicare cuts associated with the law.”
That kind of sudden shift almost certainly was driven by in-house polls that tested the “repeal and replace” strategy and found it wanting. (h/t Steve Benen at Washington Monthly)
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stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
1:59 pm
Brave Sir Robin ran away, bravely ran away…
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
2:00 pm
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
2:01 pm
He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge…
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:02 pm
People will see in January when their premiums continue to go up even though Obama said they would. They will realize Obama lied. Lookin’ forward to 2012 baby!!!!!
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
2:05 pm
“When you have got an elephant by the hind legs and he is trying to run away, it’s best to let him run” ~ Abraham Lincoln
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
2:06 pm
Peadawg,
“People will see in January”
What happened to November?
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:08 pm
jewcowboy…think about it.
Your premiums usually change in January, not the middle of the year. Ding dong. Not much will change in November 2010 probably. But 2012? C-ya Obama!
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
2:12 pm
Peadawg,
“Not much will change in November 2010 probably”
But I thought it was Armageddon?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:13 pm
Peadawg,
There is really no reason whatsoever to call jewcowboy a Ding Dong. I expect better than that from you.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
2:18 pm
Ahem.
Not to pat my back (ha) but wasn’t it raised here not to long ago that a more effective Republican strategy would be to campaign based upon:
- We will keep in the items we advocated, such as not letting insurance companies drop people when they get sick or not covering people with preexisting conditions.
- we will continue to fight the trial lawyers and the Democrats they’ve bought and stopped tort reform.
- Seniors: we’re going to restore as much of those Medicare cuts the Democrats made as we can.
- Democrats raised Medicare taxes but want to spend the money on other stuff. We’ll put those resources into Medicare, where they’re needed.
- We will stop the Democratic strategy of taxing middle class households and sending that money to subsidize insurance premiums for upper class households.
Republican strategists get paid waaay to much for the quality of their advice.
Whatever
March 31st, 2010
2:18 pm
Have to post over her. CT or her stooges are blocking my comments.
In today’s AJC, Democratic lawmakers call for Cesar Chavez national holiday
“We need to honor his life,” said state Sen. Vincent Fort (D-Atlanta). “Like Dr. [Martin Luther] King he was one of the towering figures of the last 60 years in this nation. And we are becoming a blacker and browner state and nation.”
No problem. At the same time we should establish the following:
NAAWP – National Association for the Advancement of White People
UCCF – United Caucasian College Fund
WET – White Entertainment Network
White History Month
Embracing my Anglo-American heritage… I will be silent no longer!
#1 Foxy Lady
March 31st, 2010
2:19 pm
You mean there’s some hesitatin’ on the hatin’?
Obama is show’n ‘em that they can:
SUCK IT, LOSERS!!!
USinUK
March 31st, 2010
2:19 pm
Bosch – you seen Kam lately??? horrible news – Mr Potatohead may have broken his foot AGAIN before the Cup!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/wayne-rooney/7542001/Manchester-United-striker-Wayne-Rooney-set-to-be-out-of-action-for-up-to-four-weeks.html
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:22 pm
I kinda agree w/ Whatever. What about national holidays for Alexander Graham Bell(telephone), Ben Franklin(electricity), Willis Carrier(air conditioning), Henry Ford, etc.
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:23 pm
“Obama is show’n ‘em that they can:”
Can what? Raise premiums on everyone? You’re proud of that?
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
2:23 pm
I still see no reason to give any Republican -politician or voter – the benefit of any doubt. Really, NOTHING in their camp has changed since the elections of 2006 and 2008 that suggest they have gained anything — advantage, insight, respect, a clue.
In fact, Jay could post the same blogs from Dec 2008-Jan 2009 about the reeling Republican party, lost in the woods, etc., etc, and it would be just as relevant today.
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
2:24 pm
“The No. 1 concern of the public is jobs and people losing their homes,” he said. “The administration has been obsessing on this health care bill.”
Sorry Senator Cronyn, the last administration turned the White House into a massive septic tank. And now you’re b_tching that certain t_rds aren’t being “focused” on while others are.
it’s gonna take along time to get rid of the nastiness those vandals left behind…
USinUK
March 31st, 2010
2:24 pm
“GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk of Illinois was promising two weeks ago to “lead the effort” to repeal the measure. “On Tuesday, when asked repeatedly by reporters whether he still wants it repealed, Kirk would say only that he opposes the new taxes and Medicare cuts associated with the law”
boy-howdy, there’s a guy who definitely fits the bill for Dave R’s Groucho quote: “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others”
in fact … I think we may need to come up with the Smoking Duck Award for pols who fit the bill (get it? bill … duck … oh, I kill me sometimes)
so, congrats Mark Kirk of Illinois on winning today’s Smoking Duck
Whatever
March 31st, 2010
2:24 pm
Drill, Baby, Drill!!!!!
Environmentalists must be screwing themselves through the roof….
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:25 pm
USinUK,
I just saw that on Sports Center! And was thinking why hasn’t USinUK told us about this! That’s a really rotten bit of luck there. If it is indeed just four weeks, he’ll be ok for the Cup.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:26 pm
Peadawg,
We’ve got enough Old White Guy holidays – why not let the Hispanic folks have some fun?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:27 pm
Peadawg,
Oh, and Henry Ford? Are you kidding? That dude had some serious issues.
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:27 pm
““The No. 1 concern of the public is jobs and people losing their homes,” he said. “The administration has been obsessing on this health care bill.””
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can’t buy insurance w/out income. Man, common sense is hard for Obama, ain’t it?
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
2:27 pm
Whatever, fine.
Just know that you union-busters and the anti-organizing gang should be required to work on Labor Day.
With lots of overtime and no extra pay…
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
2:28 pm
“Willis Carrier(air conditioning)”
I am all for celebrating this man!
USinUK
March 31st, 2010
2:29 pm
Bosch – 2:25 – the sports page isn’t my first stop in the morning … but it made the front page of the Evening Standard on the way home … I hope he’s able to recoup in time – he was sidelined in 2006 with a broken foot – everyone has tapped him as being captain material, so I’d like to see him be able to rise to the challenge …
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
2:31 pm
Atlanta and the South in general would be a lot less populated if it weren’t for the invention and innovation of air conditioning. I don’t see many from up north moving down here without that key factor.
Whatever
March 31st, 2010
2:31 pm
And Chinese and Colombians and Vietnamese and Russians and Irish and Indians and Eskimos and Canadians and on and on and on…
How about this? We celebrate the FOUNDING FATHERS of our nation on national holidays. Then celebrate the contributors to the nation on days similar to Cinco de Mayo, St. Patrick’s Day, etc.
And the whole Black History Month thing….That’s got to go….
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:32 pm
HEY EVERYBODY I FOUND OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/obama-finally-aknowledges-tea-party.html
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:32 pm
USinUK,
“the sports page isn’t my first stop in the morning ”
WHAT? Hehehe. J/K But despite the fact that I think Rooney in that big ol’ head of his is not much more evolved than your typical variety garden slug, England needs him for real.
Hey, did you hear? Peadawg called jewcowboy a Ding Dong. I can’t believe Jay allows such language.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
2:32 pm
You know, that’s what you Republicans can shout about and spread the word on in your hate groups:
“They’re a gonna take our guns…and then they’re gonna take our air conditioning…and then….”
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:33 pm
Oh yeah, LA’s awake from his nap.
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:33 pm
“Oh, and Henry Ford? Are you kidding? That dude had some serious issues.”
Some people wanted Michael Jackson’s bday…..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:36 pm
“Oh yeah, LA’s awake from his nap.”
Der der der Bosch.
USinUK
March 31st, 2010
2:38 pm
“Peadawg called jewcowboy a Ding Dong”
classic … haven’t heard that in ages … pea, you going retro on us???
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2010
2:43 pm
They were asking the wrong question in their polls. If they had asked whether they wanted the Republicans in Washington repealed and replaced, then they would have received a clear majority of “Yes” responses.
Lord Help Us
March 31st, 2010
2:44 pm
Whatever, I can’t imagine why you got banned…
Maybe you could post over at the Hutaree website:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/for_hutaree_militia_ethos_extended_to_family_life.php?ref=fpblt
Rumor has it, the Maid of Honor is available…
Mr. Snarky
March 31st, 2010
2:45 pm
So, the motto “Repeal it!” is being replaced with “Those Democrat have misplaced priorities!”…Wow. That’ll motivate the base.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:48 pm
“There is really no reason whatsoever to call jewcowboy a Ding Dong. I expect better than that from you.”
Bosch really does think he’s the blog police.
Citizen of the World
March 31st, 2010
2:49 pm
I’ve been thinking Peadawg and LA are one and the same. They certainly have the same style.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2010
2:49 pm
“Bosch really does think he’s the blog police.”
and wasn’t it YOU who was complaining about someone’s language a little while ago? “Blog Police” indeed.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:50 pm
“As the story notes, GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk of Illinois was promising two weeks ago to “lead the effort” to repeal the measure.”
Doesn’t matter what Kirk says or doesn’t say. He’s in Illinois and Illinois ain’t turnin red anytime soon. In fact, Illinois is about to see a mass exodus of people when Pat Quinn raises taxes by 50%.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:50 pm
“I’ve been thinking Peadawg and LA are one and the same. They certainly have the same style.”
At least we have style.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:51 pm
“and wasn’t it YOU who was complaining about someone’s language a little while ago?”
Uh……not sure how “ding dong” and “a-hole/dick” are in the same category of insults.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 31st, 2010
2:52 pm
I’m pretty sure the strategy has been slightly changed to focus on getting Republicans elected in November so that they can repeal this disgusting obomination, just sayin….
It ain’t gonna go away, Bookman.
In fact, the more the American people find out about it, the more they want it……uh, repealed.
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
2:52 pm
Who dat, are you really the thrice banned LA?
Now that the topic has been raised, i do some uncanny similarities…
USinUK
March 31st, 2010
2:52 pm
Doggone – 2:49 – it’s all part of the complete WATB package
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2010
2:52 pm
“in the same category of insults.”
Way to miss the point completely. Just to spell it out, don’t compaling about “blog police” when YOU do the SAME THING.
TGT
March 31st, 2010
2:53 pm
Rasmussen:
“One week after the House of Representatives passed the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, 54% of the nation’s likely voters still favor repealing the new law…Repeal is favored by 84% of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters.”
Real Clear Politics summary of polls (about a dozen) show that by about a 10 point margin (51 to 41), Americans oppose Obamacare. The margin is about 13 points if you only consider polls that include RV or LV.
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
2:53 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html
Interesting article.
“Meanwhile, Henry Waxman and House Democrats announced yesterday that they will haul these companies in for an April 21 hearing because their judgment “appears to conflict with independent analyses, which show that the new law will expand coverage and bring down costs.”"
So, Democrats used “independant analysis” to output the numbers that they wanted output. Interesting…
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
2:53 pm
Sarcasm really is lost on some.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:54 pm
“Just to spell it out, don’t compaling about “blog police” when YOU do the SAME THING.”
What is “compaling?”
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:55 pm
“Who dat, are you really the thrice banned LA?”
Well AmVet, I’ve been called LA, a-hole and dick all in one day. Maybe I’ll pretend to be Bosch for awhile. See what happens.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:57 pm
TGT
Oh but liberals will only believe a DailyKos or MediaMatters poll. Nothing else counts.
Citizen of the World
March 31st, 2010
2:57 pm
The Republicans are backing off “Repeal and Replace” because, well, replace with what? Their lame excuse for a plan that the CBO said would help, maybe, 3 million people get coverage as opposed to 30 million?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin....
March 31st, 2010
2:57 pm
Perhaps Mr. Waxman should move his hearing to the Syracuse Carrier Dome. The Towers Watson consulting firm estimates that the total writeoffs will be as much as $14 billion, and the 3,500 businesses that offer retiree drug benefits are by law required to report and expense their losses this quarter or next. But ’twas a famous victory, ObamaCare.
That’s 14 Billion on top of the reduced benefits and higher deductibles that these same businesses are passing along to their employees.
What is the price of THAT number?
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2010
2:57 pm
“What is “compaling?””
If you’re going to participate on this blog, you really need to be fluent in tyop.
Sam
March 31st, 2010
2:58 pm
Speaking as a Republican…. The Republican party NEVER misses an opportunity to roll over and play dead. They NEVER miss an opportunity to back-pedal, cave in, lose steam, lose focus and shoot their own feet. Not that I would trust anything the Associated Press has to say but It certainly fits the pattern…
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:58 pm
“It ain’t gonna go away, Bookman.”
A liberal can dream…..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
2:59 pm
“If you’re going to participate on this blog, you really need to be fluent in tyop.”
Well, if you’re going to participate in this blog, you may want to use spell check.
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
2:59 pm
I noticed how the “conservatives” on here are changing the subject…hmmm.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:00 pm
“Their lame excuse for a plan that the CBO said would help, maybe, 3 million people get coverage as opposed to 30 million?”
But 20 million of those people are headed back to Mexico. You know with the whole bad economy and everything.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:00 pm
Sam, I’m impressed. Most people don’t call themselves Republican in public these days.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2010
3:01 pm
“you may want to use spell check.”
I rest my case about blog police
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:01 pm
“Most people don’t call themselves Republican in public these days.”
That’s because most people are afraid some anarchist liberal will key their car or slash their tires.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:02 pm
“I rest my case about blog police”
I wasn’t complaining about anything, just simply asked you what compaling meant. Didn’t know if Obama had added a new word to Webster’s.
Del
March 31st, 2010
3:02 pm
Well we have Social Security and Medicare going into the red. Social Security was supposed to remain solvent until 2016, however, it will go into the red this year with only government I.O.U’s backing it up that the government issued in order to raid its Trust. The borrowed money can’t realistically be paid back into Social Security and now we have a healthcare reform bill. A new entitlement cooked up by Obama’s White House and a few far left liberal Democrats who never even owned and managed a lemon aid stand let alone manage one sixth of this nation’s economy. These stupid $hit$ in the administration continue on with this ridiculous liberal democrat belief that they can continue to bleed tax dollars from the top 10% of taxpayers who pay over 50% of the tax revenues along with taking money that otherwise could be used for job creation away from corporations and small business. Hell yes, the republicans should run on repealing this healthcare ponzi scheme. The legal process, hopefully, will ultimately be responsible for dismantling the H/C bill as it appears Obama and his currently democratic controlled congress has really pushed the envelope with the commerce clause. It should be fun watching little Henry Waxman trying to appear big when he gets the CEO’s who pointed out an inconvenient truth up on the Hill for his interrogation charade.
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
3:02 pm
Re that 2:55,
Lacking a disavowal, it would seem I am not incorrect…
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:04 pm
AmVet,
You might wanna get those plastic pant protectors out again. Just saying.
Del
March 31st, 2010
3:06 pm
Jay why is my post being moderated? It happened as soon as I clicked submit.
jewcowboy
March 31st, 2010
3:06 pm
“I’ve been called LA, a-hole and dick all in one day.”
When you’re on a roll…
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
3:08 pm
Del, posts are often moderated for the most inane of “offenses”.
Virtually all of the regulars here have complained about the silly thing…
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:09 pm
Gore’s still got some splannin to do.
Lovelock: ‘We can’t save the planet’
Professor James Lovelock, the scientist who developed Gaia theory, has said it is too late to try and save the planet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8594000/8594561.stm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:09 pm
“When you’re on a roll…”
…you pour some butter on.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:10 pm
“Virtually all of the regulars here have complained about the silly thing…”
I don’t – I just question Blog God – or send him a puppy.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:11 pm
“or send him a puppy.”
They’d arrest you in the UK. Apparently it’s illegal to sell a puppy to kids. Go figure.
How’d you like V?
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:12 pm
@Whatever
For all the good things the Founding Fathers achieved in the writing of the Constitution, they also wrote into the Constitution that slaves were only 2/3 of a person. Those without land could not vote and essentially women were property of the men as they had no constitutional rights.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:13 pm
Oh, and from our conversation yesterday:
This is why I like cats better than dogs:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/31/funny-pictures-roomba-kitteh-vs-doggy/
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
3:18 pm
“This is why I like cats better than dogs:”
I’ll takes dogs over cats AND kids ANY DAY!!!!!
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
3:18 pm
Bosch, is that really kitteh vs doggy?
Seems like both are having a swell time, actually.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:21 pm
Peadawg,
Did you watch the video? The cat takes a swipe at the dog, does another spin on the roomba (while licking its paw) and then takes another swipe at the dog and the dog is sitting there like “WTF?” AND, the cat is RIDING a roomba for God’s sakes. That, in and of itself is funny, but the fact that he’s riding the roomba while seriously f*cking with the dog is too much.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:23 pm
sfd,
Well, yeah, I could see that. And kudos for the first three posts on this thread. I salute thee.
GoingBroke
March 31st, 2010
3:24 pm
#1 Foxy Lady
March 31st, 2010
2:19 pm
You mean there’s some hesitatin’ on the hatin’?
Obama is show’n ‘em that they can:
SUCK IT, LOSERS!!!
ahh.. so classy.. another way of saying I can take what I want out of your house and away from your children.. used to be called stealing.. now its called Obama is Loving me…
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:25 pm
THE REPUBLICANS HAD BETTER WATCH OUT. THEY MAY GO THE WAY OF THE DINOSAUR
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:28 pm
Hey GoingBroke It’s #1 FOXY!!!!!!! Not #1 Classy!!!!Can’t you read? SHE CAN BE AS FOXY OR AS CLASSY AS SHE WANTS!!!!!
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:29 pm
I want to hear more from #1 FOXY!!!!!!!
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:30 pm
It level of enthusiasm for voting in November has become a dead head, 74% Dems, 75% Repubs.
If I remember correctly, there are more registered Dems and Independents than Repubs. Plus, there will be no excuse of ACORN fixing votes.
Tough number of overcome.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:30 pm
“THE REPUBLICANS HAD BETTER WATCH OUT. THEY MAY GO THE WAY OF THE DINOSAUR”
You’re about a year too late. Bookman and other liberals have shut up about that one.
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:31 pm
Hey GoingBroke
I guess lesbian bondage is CLASSY. Just because your put a fake face on the perversion, doesn’t change what’s in the heart of the TRUE REPUBLICAN
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:32 pm
Jackie,
“Plus, there will be no excuse of ACORN fixing votes.”
True, but they’ll find some red herring to throw on the ballot, like making it illegal to get all gay married, to get the wingnuts out in droves screaming and frothing in their mad hate to get out the vote.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:32 pm
“If I remember correctly, there are more registered Dems and Independents”
Independents won’t be voting democrat.
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
3:32 pm
Bosch, ya I watched the video. Poor dog. He didn’t do anything and the cat’s just being a bytch for no reason.
My 10 month old lab does some cute/wtf stuff all the time. He’s about the biggest baby/dork you’ll ever meet.
#1 Foxy Lady
March 31st, 2010
3:33 pm
GoingBroke,
What you talking about? You don’t make no since. You already morally broke.
You know what you can do LOSER!!!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:33 pm
“Just because your put a fake face on the perversion, doesn’t change what’s in the heart of the TRUE REPUBLICAN”
Whatever you say John Edwards.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:34 pm
“You don’t make no since. ”
Public schools at it’s finest.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:35 pm
“You know what you can do LOSER!!!”
I’ve noticed a lot of liberal love today.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
3:35 pm
“I LOVE cats – bar-b-qued cats!” – Alf on NBC
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:36 pm
LESBIAN BONDAGE LESBIAN BONDAGE LESBIAN BONDAGE
Can I hear an opinion on LESBIAN BONDAGE from a republican please?
Seriously, how do you feel about this? I remember when Allison was installed, under some protest, her views were more “conservative” better representation of the Republican party, REMEMBER? Come on guys, what do you feel about this?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
3:37 pm
Peadawg,
Labs are cute. But damn, they can destroy a room quicker than a three year old. I thought it was funny that the cat was riding that thing. That cat’s probably thinking, “yeah, I’m gonna ride this thing, so WHAT? Oh, and there’s dog over there, I’ll have even more fun and mess with him while I’m doing my thing”
Okay taters off to pay for the bailouts!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:37 pm
“Can I hear an opinion on LESBIAN BONDAGE from a republican please?
Seriously, how do you feel about this?”
You may want to go to an adult video store to find that out. This is a family blog.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:38 pm
“I remember when Allison was installed”
Who is Allison?
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:38 pm
I thought the Republican party was a FAMILY PARTY? I guess NOT
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:40 pm
Who is Allison?
You my friend, are truly uninformed. Read the story
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:40 pm
“I thought the Republican party was a FAMILY PARTY?”
No, you’re thinking of Cracker Barrel.
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:40 pm
Learn
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:40 pm
“You my friend, are truly uninformed. Read the story”
What story?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
3:41 pm
Jackie, an objective observer would note that Dems and Repubs are ALWAYS energized to similar levels going into each election (within a few points of each other). It is the independents that swing elections, as they did the last couple of times, and they aren’t very favorable to Dems right now.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/inside-the-numbers-independents-opposition-to-obamacare-is-bad-news-for-dems.html
And that is just on health care. It is almost as bad with independents on spending for Dems.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:41 pm
“Learn”
What
moonbat betty
March 31st, 2010
3:41 pm
I witnessed a local tea party recently and was appalled by the display of vulgarity!
Yes, cat juggling.
Roll the ugliness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbc2J0zZr8
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:41 pm
I wish I could stay, I gotta go back to work. Unfortunately I don’t get paid for this.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:42 pm
“It is the independents that swing elections, as they did the last couple of times, and they aren’t very favorable to Dems right now.”
That’s an understatement.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:42 pm
@Who dat
Independents certainly will not be voting Repubs. For sake of argument, let us eliminate the Independent voter, 40% of registered voters. That leaves the Dems with a decisive majority.
That is a BIG Repub problem.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:42 pm
“I witnessed a local tea party recently and was appalled by the display of vulgarity!”
Do tell. Were there anti-Obama signs? Oh the humanity!!!!!!!
Peadawg
March 31st, 2010
3:43 pm
“Labs are cute. But damn, they can destroy a room quicker than a three year old.”
With their tail, especially. Ours does good as far as chewing, but his tail is lethal. Especially now that he’s the height…he’s nailed my nuts a couple of times.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
3:44 pm
@ Whatever March 31st, 2010
2:18 pm
No problem. At the same time we should establish the following:
NAAWP – National Association for the Advancement of White People
(Already done….ask a skinhead!)
UCCF – United Caucasian College Fund
(Already there – called “legacy”)
WET – White Entertainment Network
(Already there – called Fox News)
White History Month
(Already done – called American History)
Did I miss anything??
Back on point: The Republicans had to backtrack on repeal and replace…and changed to review and revise, for as many that are screaming about the negatives of health care reform, there are as many who are screaming about the positives. Anyone knows that the initial interation of a process is flawed….that’s why the process is reviewed and revised (updated) to make it work better!!
If Republicans take THAT strategy….they’d be looked at in a more favorable position…rather than their continued pontification of “NO”!!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:44 pm
“Independents certainly will not be voting Repubs.”
Well they certainly are not voting democrat.
“That leaves the Dems with a decisive majority.”
Keep telling yourself that. HEY! Democrats lost Ted Kenndys seat. Did you hear about that?
“That is a BIG Repub problem.’
See ya in November!
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:44 pm
Young Eagles Allison Meyers
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
3:44 pm
He didn’t do anything and the cat’s just being a bytch for no reason.
Heh. Other than being a cat, of course.
Seriously, Peadawg, I’ve seen cat-swipes in anger, accompanied by hissing, spitting, bared teeth–the sort of thing that reminds one that these fuzzy ten-pound critters are solitary killing machines that have to defend themselves in the wild.
IMHO the kitty in the video was just giving pooch a “this is my ride, yo” kinda love tap. And pooch seemed fine with it.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
3:45 pm
Betty, I don’t care who you are . . .
that’s funny!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:46 pm
“WET – White Entertainment Network
(Already there – called Fox News)”
Then you could say the same thing about EVERY news channel.
Del
March 31st, 2010
3:46 pm
Whoever or whatever moderates this blog, please delete my 3:02 pm.
G Cancryn
March 31st, 2010
3:46 pm
OK Who Dat?
NOW LEARN READ UNDERSTAND
It’s amazing to me how little people know about the party they support.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:47 pm
@Dave R
Even if we use the number that is cited in your link, 50% to 46% of independent voters disapproving of the health care vote, that still leaves the Repubs in an ENORMOUS voter deficit.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:47 pm
“If Republicans take THAT strategy….they’d be looked at in a more favorable position…rather than their continued pontification of “NO”!!”
Either way, they’re gonna win big in November.
JKL2
March 31st, 2010
3:47 pm
It must be Harry Reid’s 8% approval rating that has them scared.
You have to note that Mark Kirk is in Chicago where people vote Democrat long after they’re dead. His only chance to get elected is to be moderate at best. Otherwise we’ll end up with another Obama and the government already has enough coruption there now. The only people O hasn’t put on his cabinet is Jimma Hoffa, John Gotti, and Kim Jong Il.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:47 pm
“NOW LEARN READ UNDERSTAND ”
Poor poor grammar skills.
Pogo
March 31st, 2010
3:48 pm
Foxy, like her namesake, ain’t none too bright. If the conversation ventures much outside of the realm of “Obama is “THE MAN” because he is black so therefore everything he does is right (on)”, she is pretty much lost. We understand you Foxy. Obama is black. You love him and wouldn’t care if he was Satan himself as long he IS black. Sell yourself short, why don’t you?
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:48 pm
“It’s amazing to me how little people know about the party they support.”
That sums the democrat party up pretty well.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
3:48 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:40 pm
“I thought the Republican party was a FAMILY PARTY?”
No, you’re thinking of Cracker Barrel.
Wow….what an apt description!! Didn’t think that would come from you!!! LOL!! From now on, the GOP has a new name: Cracker Barrel (courtesy of Who dat…..)!! ROTFLMAO!!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:48 pm
“Did I miss anything??”
Sounds like someone don’t like them white folks.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:50 pm
@who dat
The Dems lost the seat in Massachusetts, yet the Sen. Brown(R-MA) is claiming to be his “own man.” Wonder how he will vote on the next issue and if he will realize the voters want moderation and cooperation amongst our legislators.
November will stop the pontification.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
3:50 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:46 pm
“WET – White Entertainment Network
(Already there – called Fox News)”
Then you could say the same thing about EVERY news channel.
No argument from me!!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:51 pm
“Wow….what an apt description!! Didn’t think that would come from you!!! ”
Only you would think I was making a white people joke.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
3:52 pm
Jackie, I don’t know where you get your figures from, but there’s only about a 10% difference in Dems to Repubs nationally. If moderates / independents for for the GOP by 10-20 points, that spells wins for republicans, especially in swing states and districts where the independent vote is higher.
You’ve never run a campaign for public office, have you?
Paul
March 31st, 2010
3:52 pm
An add to my 2:18
Republicans should also campaign on repealing the giveaway to big unions by taxing Cadillac health plans when the state high risk pools go in effect. They can push it as income redistribution from those with health benefits that cost them nothing but are worth as much as some of the people in the pools earn.
They should campaign to have coverage for people go into effect right away. Paint Dems as callous for allowing 200,000 people to die just so their budget numbers come out okay.
I know, they’ll never do the last one. But…..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:52 pm
“Wonder how he will vote on the next issue and if he will realize the voters want moderation and cooperation amongst our legislators.”
Voters don’t want cooperation, they want their law makers to stop acting like morons and work FOR them and not AGAINST them.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:53 pm
“No argument from me!!”
Of course not. KILL WHITEY!!!!!!!!
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
3:55 pm
Sounds like someone don’t like them white folks.
“Hey you know something people
I’m not black
But there’s a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I’m not white”
–Frank Zappa
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
3:55 pm
@who dat
Voters want their elected politician to represent their interests. Sen. Brown(R-MA) will have to answer that call in 2 years. Those that are in the House of Representatives answer the call every 2 years, as you know. No ifs, ands or buts.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:55 pm
Fearful, angry Latinos might shun Census
Latinos are the biggest minority in the United States but they could jeopardize a chance to flex their newfound political muscle as millions of them dodge a nationwide census.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62U4RY20100331?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:56 pm
Frank Zappa is dead.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:57 pm
“Voters want their elected politician to represent their interests. ”
Which is what, more government and no jobs?
HDB
March 31st, 2010
3:57 pm
Who dat? March 31st, 2010
3:51 pm
Only you would think I was making a white people joke.
Hey, it WAS funny!!
But…you went a BIT too far at 3:53! I did NOT advocate violence!! For once, we agreed!! I’d mark that on your calendar under: Amazing Stories!!
GoingBroke
March 31st, 2010
3:57 pm
#1 Foxy Lady
March 31st, 2010
3:33 pm
“GoingBroke,
What you talking about? You don’t make no since. You already morally broke.
You know what you can do LOSER!!!”
As I said before.. very very classy
songbird
March 31st, 2010
3:58 pm
roomba kitty is hilarious. I just lost one of my cats to heart disease on Sunday. I could just see him doing that. loved it.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:59 pm
“I did NOT advocate violence!!”
That’s rich. I attended a few tea parties, never shouted anything racist or violent, yet liberals are quick to call tea party people racist and killers.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:00 pm
@Dave R
I don’t know where you get your information from. Further, you could not have run a political campaign if you do not realize the independent votes compromises roughly 40% of the electorate. The 60% of voters that affiliate with a party is a majority of Dems. Don’t care how you try to slice that.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:00 pm
HDB
The Cracker Barrel was in reference to a “family” atmosphere. Had nothing to do with white people. I just figured you laughed because you often talk about white people (see above).
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:01 pm
@who dat
Your attempt at humor needs work.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:01 pm
“I don’t know where you get your information from.”
Same can be said of you.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:01 pm
“Your attempt at humor needs work.”
HDB laughed. That’s good enough for me.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:02 pm
“Voters want their elected politician to represent their interests. ”
So explain why Congress voted for the health care bill against ALL polls to the contrary.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:02 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
3:59 pm
“I did NOT advocate violence!!”
That’s rich. I attended a few tea parties, never shouted anything racist or violent, yet liberals are quick to call tea party people racist and killers.
YOU may not have, but some of your contemporaries HAVE….and THAT puts the Teabaqqers in a negative light!! Dissent is part of the American fabric; have NO problem with dissent about policy….but some of this vitriol is NOT policy based…and that needs to be called out as it happens!!
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
4:02 pm
Frank Zappa is dead.
So is Jesus.
TW
March 31st, 2010
4:02 pm
FLIP-FLOPPERS!
LOL!
pat
March 31st, 2010
4:04 pm
So obama for off shore drilling and all you are concerned about is republican election strategies for nov? Interesting. You weaklings were up in arms when bush wanted to do it…Now obama wants to do it and that’s a-ok…So it’s not the policy, it’s the person implementing. If they have a (D) behind their name, what ever they want is good. If it’s an (R) it’s bad…Way to be “openminded”…
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:04 pm
“YOU may not have, but some of your contemporaries HAVE….and THAT puts the Teabaqqers in a negative light!!”
Let me guide you through a trip down hypocrite lane.
2003: War Protests. 1000’s of KILL BUSH signs.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/imheretokillbush.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/%3Fp%3D621&usg=__for8nFyYe5Ifb-7GDCv2RppXEMk=&h=687&w=720&sz=66&hl=en&start=1&sig2=ZOBu_kuZxMmxJb2onWoqZQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=e6LaQjzsx25bYM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkill%2Bbush%2Bsigns%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Ds%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=xKqzS_7YNoSuNY-vvaIJ
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:05 pm
“So is Jesus.”
Oh boy, here we go.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:05 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:00 pm
HDB
The Cracker Barrel was in reference to a “family” atmosphere. Had nothing to do with white people. I just figured you laughed because you often talk about white people (see above).
——————————————————
I knew what you meant….but if you take it in the off-beat vein…it IS an apt description of the GOP!! THAT’S why I’m STILL laughing at it!!
Paul
March 31st, 2010
4:06 pm
AmVet
This just seemed so appropriate.
Havta remember to point josef nix to it. He’d get it –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXCvZ0cWM-w
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:06 pm
“but some of this vitriol is NOT policy based…and that needs to be called out as it happens!!”
Yet, there is no proof that John Lewis was called the N word. No video, no eyewitness accounts. Nothing.
I can show you PLENTY of pics of KILL BUSH signs etc..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:07 pm
“it IS an apt description of the GOP!! ”
So the GOP is full of Crackers?
You sure you’re not a racist?
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:08 pm
Who dat: Look….I don’t like that type of protest…from either side!! I abhorred the “KILL BUSH” signs just as much as I do the Obama as the Joker/Hitler signs now!! That clouds the discussion of the issues…adds animus into a situation where logic is sorely needed!!
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:08 pm
@Dave R
Health care reform is needed because 18% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is consume by health dollars. Estimates by all PROFESSIONAL economists indicate the health care cost will rise to approximately 45% of GDP in the next decade, leaving the remaining dollars for military and Social Security.
Do you think those that were elected to their positions should have been aware of the tidal wave?
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:09 pm
@who dat
Is HDB laughing at your humor?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:10 pm
Jackie, just so you know, I’ve run two political campaigns directly and three others as assistant. I know all about demographics.
You, however, don’t.
When you have about 55 seats in Congress that have gone back and forth Dem to GOP in the past 6-8 years, those are swing seats filled with lots of moderate / independent voters. In those districts, the number of Dems to Repubs is usually pretty similar, again within a couple of points or so. When you have 40% of that district going one way or another every 2-4 years, and that swing vote is not happy with Dems on any number of issues right now, you have a recipe for disaster for Dems.
It is not about national numbers once you get into distinct districts, which is why the Dems are, and should be, very worried about November.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:10 pm
Who dat: No….I’m not racist…but there are not that many black people in the GOP…are there??
Laugh a little….you made a good joke!!!
Rightwing Troll
March 31st, 2010
4:11 pm
I’d like to know the Republican response to the Maine case where a gay man shot another gay man during kinky sex with firearms.
What a quandry for those nut sacks eh? Gay sex and constitutionally protected “toys”.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:11 pm
Jackie….yes, I am!! Who dat made ONE GOOD JOKE…..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:11 pm
“I abhorred the “KILL BUSH” signs just as much as I do the Obama as the Joker/Hitler signs now!! ”
You may be the only liberal to have ever said that. No one in the liberal media said a peep when protesters were calling for Bush to be shot, hung, beheaded, burned etc…
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:13 pm
“No….I’m not racist…but there are not that many black people in the GOP…are there??”
Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, JC Watts, Alcee Hastings, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice…..
But then again, liberals call them all uncle toms.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
4:14 pm
Del
If you’re still around–Your 3:02 contained the word r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s. For some unexplainable reason the filter will automatically send a post with that word in it into moderation.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:15 pm
Famous Black Republicans.
http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.blackgop
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:15 pm
Here’s the difference, Jackie. Everyone knew that health care needed to be reformed. The difference was in the approach.
Objective analysis of this bill will show that the numbers were largely cooked to bring about a desired outcome that favored the Democrat position, but that those numbers will not pan out over time, and will likely not reduce the rise in health care costs, but rather will simply shift them.
So forget about the talking points, Jackie, and answer the question.
Why did Congress vote for THIS bill, which nearly 65% of people polled said they didn’t want? Why didn’t they take the time and do it right by the people?
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:15 pm
@ who dat: The Capitol Police was about to make an arrest when the Congressman who was spat upon declined to press charges. That’s enough of an indication to me that something did happen!! Look, that was uncalled for!! Disagree with me all day….no problem if it’s civil…but spit on me..that’s an invitation for something very negative to happen!!
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:15 pm
@Dave R
Congratulations on your running those campaigns. Did you win?
If you were running those campaigns, you should know about demographics and how they shape your message(s).
Doesn’t appear you have a good handle on what demographics do for your candidate?
Congressional districts for the House of Representatives are so gerrymandered with “safe seats” for many of Blue/Red states, it has become a joke. What strategy would you employ in a purple district without know what the demographic layout is and how it affects the message that you tailor for your candidate?
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:16 pm
“Is HDB laughing at your humor?”
Guess he told you Jackie.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:17 pm
Who dat, Alcee Hastings is NOT a Republican.
Just sayin’.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:17 pm
“The Capitol Police was about to make an arrest when the Congressman who was spat upon declined to press charges. That’s enough of an indication to me that something did happen!!”
No, that tells me that nothing happened. No video…………..No eyewitness account………..
“Disagree with me all day….no problem if it’s civil…but spit on me..that’s an invitation for something very negative to happen!!”
Yet…….no proof whatsoever………….
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:18 pm
@Dave R.
How do you make a determination that the “numbers were cooked” by the CBO? Isn’t that the way the bills are formulated by putting a number into the legislation and determining how much it will cost in the Pay-As-You-Go (PAYGO) approach. After all, the attempt is to get most legislation deficit neutral.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:19 pm
“Who dat, Alcee Hastings is NOT a Republican.’
Mistake, I meant to say Alan Keyes.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
4:19 pm
Hi kamchak
[[For some unexplainable reason the filter will automatically send a post with that word in it into moderation.]]
We figured it was because of a spell incantation from Harry Potter. Witches and magic and worship of the dark forces and all that. AJC’s Blog God’s seeking to win back a certain demographic -
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:19 pm
@who dat
Just my civil way of saying to you, maybe he was laughing at you?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:21 pm
Ha! I don’t have to work to pay for the recession tonight as it turns out.
pat@ 4:04 –
I’d like to address that if I may. Personally, I don’t now, nor did I back in the Bush days have a huge problem with drilling domestically. I don’t speak for others here, but I think the issue was that back when we discussed this alot, gas was $4/gallon so it was kind of hot and heavy on our minds and that people react to economic factors like that impulsively without giving it much thought. It does nothing to alleviate $4 gas at the moment, and there is no guarantee from those who drill it (the oil companies) that the oil will eventually find its way to our gas tanks, since the oil companies can sell it to whomever they chose. Now, on the up side, it does create jobs here (unless the oil companies farm those jobs out to foreign workers, again, it’s their prerogative) and it is a intermediate solution to a problem we have on our dependence on foreign oil. Personally, again, I’d like to see us use fuel that is one sustainable, two, we don’t have to get from countries that aren’t real friendly to us, and three, pollutes the air so much. If drilling domestically is, indeed, an intermediate solution to that problem, then that’s cool with me – that’s the position I’ve always had no matter who it is saying so.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:21 pm
Who dat: Thanks for the list….
Because of that…here’re the questions that the list generates: Why don’t you see more black people at the GOP Convention? (only 105 delegates) Why was Colin Powell BOOED off the stage at the 2004 GOP Convention if the party desired inroads into the black community? Why does Clarence Thomas want to END the programs that allowed HIS success for others like him?? Why do white conservatives use black conservatives as a wedge to condescend and belittle the black community??
Really want your viewpoint on that…….
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:21 pm
“Just my civil way of saying to you, maybe he was laughing at you?”
You don’t say?
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:23 pm
@who dat
Check out HDB’s 4:21
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:23 pm
“Why don’t you see more black people at the GOP Convention? ”
Because Jesse Jackson will come after them.
“Why was Colin Powell BOOED off the stage at the 2004 GOP Convention if the party desired inroads into the black community?”
Don’t remember that one. I watched the entire convention and don’t remember him getting booed off the stage.
“Why does Clarence Thomas want to END the programs that allowed HIS success for others like him??”
Because he’s smart as hell and knows AA is outdated.
“Why do white conservatives use black conservatives as a wedge to condescend and belittle the black community??”
Huh?????
Del
March 31st, 2010
4:23 pm
Kamchak,
Thanks for letting me know.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:24 pm
“Check out HDB’s 4:21″
I did.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:24 pm
Jackie, I won 4 out of 5, so my batting average is pretty good.
And there are at least 55 districts that haven’t been gerrymandered to favor one party or another, and those are the ones in play. And those are almost always a roughly 30-40-30 breakdown of Dems/independents/GOP within a couple of points. It is whey they almost always go swing and change with the prevailing sentiments across the nation.
And right now, the message for EVERY candidate, even in some dark blue or red districts, is creating jobs and getting spending under control. The health care issue only helps in swing districts and it doesn’t favor Dems at all right now. Everything else (Cap & Trade, financial regulations, Wall St. oversight) means nothing to the voters in swing districts.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:25 pm
“Why do white conservatives use black conservatives as a wedge to condescend and belittle the black community??”
Proof please. I want proof of this, not some made up crap you pulled out of a hat. Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh LOVE Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. Herman Cain is another fantastic conservative.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:26 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:11 pm
“I abhorred the “KILL BUSH” signs just as much as I do the Obama as the Joker/Hitler signs now!! ”
You may be the only liberal to have ever said that. No one in the liberal media said a peep when protesters were calling for Bush to be shot, hung, beheaded, burned etc…
I ALWAYS take what the media presents with an avalanche of CAUTION! The truth always lies somewhere between the extremes!! The extremists make the news; the policies create the news…the decisions ARE the news!!
There are others like me….but our vocality is slight when compared to the cacaphony of the extremes…..
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:27 pm
“And right now, the message for EVERY candidate, even in some dark blue or red districts, is creating jobs and getting spending under control. The health care issue only helps in swing districts and it doesn’t favor Dems at all right now.”
Yep, and there is NO way any liberal can dispute that. Every single poll shows the dems to be in big trouble.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:27 pm
Jackie, when you take savings from Medicare/Medicaid and use them to fund new programs without deducting the new spending from the savings, you are cooking the books.
When you estimate economic growth to increase tax revenues that is likely to not occur because your recession is deeper and longer than you planned for, you’re cooking the books.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:28 pm
“There are others like me….but our vocality is slight when compared to the cacaphony of the extremes….”
Well, we need more people like you HDB. Getting tired of having to defend my “whiteness” to idiot hipsters who hate being white themselves.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:29 pm
Who dat: Fair enough request. Start with this…will get more to you:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/154/154_thindwa_black_conservatives.html
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:30 pm
HDB
I also love it when people like Chris Matthews talks about how bad “white people” are when he himself is white. Go figure.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:30 pm
Who dat: Part 2:
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v07n3/Blackcon.html
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:30 pm
@Dave R.
You must have won in one of those red house districts.
Still have the question on the table about PYAGO and health reform. Where did you get your information about the CBO gerrymandering the numbers?
Secondly, have you read about the projected costs of health care and associated health care inflation during the next decade? With those numbers that are projected, and the American worker working longer, harder and more productively, it appears jobs and other things will not be issue as there will not be any more available for anything but health care, Social Security – a benefit earned by those who paid into the system and military spending.
What is left?
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:32 pm
@Dave R
Per your 4:27, I would be willing to wager that you can not put your statement into accounting terms that will balance.
Do what?
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
Who dat….look, man…some play the pity game….some play guilt trips!! Let’s just deal with what’s real….and how we can make things better!! We can always agree to disagree on policy and implementation…but agree to drink a beer afterwards because of who we are and what we represent: the greatest place on earth!!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
HDB
Star Parker used to be on welfare herself and pulled herself out of government dependency. She’s a great lady! She sees the evil of having to rely on government for food etc…
When I read your posts, you usually have a “victim mentality” tone to your comments. America is well suited for anyone to succeed. I don’t need any particular party to give me anything. I just want government out of my life so I can work and save money.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
4:34 pm
@HDB
I apologize for using your name in response to a post by who dat. It “appeared” that you were trying to say things without saying things and for that I will apologize for using your name in that manner.
Soothsayer
March 31st, 2010
4:35 pm
. . . “the country we have inhabited for the last three decades seems more like a panorama of madness and delusion worthy of Hieronymous Bosch: of sturdy patriots reciting the Pledge while they resolutely strangle their own life chances; of small farmers proudly voting themselves off the land; of devoted family men carefully seeing to it that their children will never be able to afford college or proper health care; of hardened blue-collar workers in midwestern burgs cheering as they deliver up a landslide for a candidate whose policies will end their way of life, will transform their region into a “rust belt,” will strike people like them blows from which they will never recover.”
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
Ah crap, HDB, opps, didn’t mean to post the entire article.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
1: What is racist about conservatism?
2: David Duke was a Democrat. Plus, he hates Christians, Jews and everyone else………
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:38 pm
Jackie, the CBO didn’t cook the books. They are required to score a bill using the numbers furnished to them by Congress. In this case, the Democrat majority. It is an old term we use in the IT field but it is accurate today: GIGO.
It stands for Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Anyone can make a bill look palatable if they provide cooked numbers and the office in charge of scoring the bill is beholden to those numbers.
And yes, I have read the numbers about health care costs. However, there are always different approaches to solving that problem, and an incremental approach was never tried or contemplated by Congressional Dems. If they had, they very likely could have gotten a few GOP supporters in the House and Senate, but they preferred the iron fist approach and will pay the price for that in November.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:38 pm
“Conservative policies are Republican vetoes of civil rights bills, opposition to affirmative action, and Willie Horton campaign ads.”
Republicans voted more for the Civil Rights bill than did Democrats.
Ronald Reagan made MLK a national holiday.
Nuff said.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:39 pm
HDB
By the way, MLK was a registered Republican. Just sayin…….
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:43 pm
Let’s face it. If you can’t bring Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe on board your plan, you know you’ve gone too far.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:44 pm
Speaking of 10 lb. killing machines, one of mine just walked past with a chipmunk in tow. Wonder where she’s going with that?
Anywho…..
Dave R.,
Just curious. Would you agree or disagree with the theory that health insurance companies actually impede free market principles to play forth in health care. They do not provide any direct service of actual health care, and are a big part of the cost. Why shouldn’t the consumer be able to pay for the health care services provided directly from those who provide it instead of paying a big chunk of cash to the insurance companies to peddle paperwork and make decisions about who does and does not receive treatment?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:45 pm
“Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe”
Those two Senate goddesses.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:45 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:23 pm
“Why don’t you see more black people at the GOP Convention? ”
Because Jesse Jackson will come after them.
C’MON, man!! I know that we can not continue to put all our eggs in one basket….but when a political party does NOT ask for my vote, does NOT think of me as a constituent, does NOT approach me for my opinion on issues…does NOT represent my community….what options do I have??
Prior to 1964, the GOP HAD the black vote…but the Dixiecrats infiltrated the GOP, added the racist sentiment to the platform…and it’s been pervasive since then!!
“Why was Colin Powell BOOED off the stage at the 2004 GOP Convention if the party desired inroads into the black community?”
Don’t remember that one. I watched the entire convention and don’t remember him getting booed off the stage.
Powell stated that the party needed to embrace certain things to expand the outreach of the party…..Affirmative Action was one area he stated. As soon as he said that, he was SOUNDLY BOOED!! Problem is…Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas are prime examples of Affirmative Action SUCCESS stories!! Thomas was accepted to Holy Cross on Affirmative Action; Powell was selected as National Security Advisor when Reagan told the Generals to expand the selection list…placing Powell in the position!!
“Why does Clarence Thomas want to END the programs that allowed HIS success for others like him??”
Because he’s smart as hell and knows AA is outdated.
Not really….what people fail to state is that the greatest successes from AA have been WHITE WOMEN!! Black men still are at the end of the selection choice!!
“Why do white conservatives use black conservatives as a wedge to condescend and belittle the black community??”
If you listen to Larry Elder, Armstrong Williams, Ward Connerly….they are SO condescending and belittling to ANY BLACK PERSON that doesn’t think as they do!! Each of them fail to admit that through some AA programs, they were allowed access to success…..
THAT’S the case…..
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
4:46 pm
Posting a work from Deborah Tolar without acknowledging the real author is plagiarism.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:48 pm
Kamchak! Mr. Potato Head is hurt!
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:49 pm
“THAT’S the case…..”
No, that’s your opinion.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:49 pm
“Posting a work from Deborah Tolar without acknowledging the real author is plagiarism.”
Blame HDB then.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
4:50 pm
Kamchak! Mr. Potato Head is hurt!
I saw that from USinUK.
And there was much rejoicing.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:51 pm
“Black men still are at the end of the selection choice!!”
They are? All black men are at the end of the selection choice? I think not.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:52 pm
Kamchak,
I think he’ll be okay for the Cup. Still got time.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:53 pm
Bosch, if I understood your question at all, I’d answer it.
I think what you are implying is that health care insurance companies use too much of their premiums for overhead and not enough on actual health care.
I say fine. Start your own health care insurance provider and do it better than the other ones do. Find a current one that has a better ratio of costs to payouts and use them. And while you’re at it, make sure the state they deliver their plans to doesn’t automatically force up the cost of health care by mandates that require coverage in policies that will never, ever be used (such as pregnancy coverage for couples too old or unable to conceive).
Do I think they manipulate markets? Yes, they do. They also do so as willing participants with state governments who wish to be part of the manipulation process.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
4:53 pm
Bosch 4:44
Don’t let the cat in or you’ll be cleaning up chipmunk barf.
Just sayin’ -
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
4:53 pm
Blame HDB then.
He pointed a gun to your head, made you copy and paste, and made you click on submit comment?
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:53 pm
“He pointed a gun to your head, made you copy and paste, and made you click on submit comment?”
You ain’t none too bright is ya.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
4:55 pm
Bosch: “Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe”
Those two Senate goddesses.”
Down, boy . . .
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:55 pm
Kamchak
tick tick tick
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:55 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
HDB
Star Parker used to be on welfare herself and pulled herself out of government dependency. She’s a great lady! She sees the evil of having to rely on government for food etc…
Star Parker is evidence that the social safety net DOES work as it was intended!! I adnit that there are abuses…and I wish them to be eliminated so that everyone has the opportunity to succeed.
I’ve never considered myself as a victim because I did what I knew would get me the success I desired: work, education, desire!! I’ve relayed what my experiences have been…and although I’ve played by the “rules”, in many circumstances, the rules CHANGED!!
I know the history….that Republicans passed Civil Rights legislation…but remember what LBJ said after passage: “Democrats have lost the South for a generation!” That’s because of the Dixiecrat infiltration, the Nixonian “Southern Strategy”, Goldwater’s Western Conservatism….all were anathematic to black interests!!
When I hear Republicans decry AA…and looking at who they present as success stories (and they themselves achieved due to AA!!), them I ask myself: Is this hypocritical or what???
Pogo
March 31st, 2010
4:55 pm
Jay, I just read your previous thread topic. It is one of the better ones you have ever written. The problem I see is that America really has become lazy and it has become totally predisposed to consumerism and self gratification. This applies to all sociological and economical niches. There is no sense of unity nor is there any inclination in people to sacrifice anything and there is a huge deficit of even caring about your fellow human beings. The rich must be willing to do with less and the middle class and the poor must be willing to give up the governments comfort blanket and try harder to help themselves. Will these things happen? Probably not. Therefore the gentleman is probably right. We, as a nation, are indeed circling the drain much as Rome did. We continue to listen to and support politicians that promise us the world at no cost to us and they promise that the costs will fall upon someone else. Obama is no different. Bush was no different. Clinton was no different and so on and so forth. Our problems have been allowed to grow to such a proportion that we are now in a no win situation. Our indebtness and our lust for ‘easy money”, whether created by greed or by laziness, is going to destroy us. And the healthcare plan you love so much? It will only work to make the rich richer and the politicians more powerful meanwhile we Americans will continue to lose in many, many ways. The money for our governments promises must ultimately come from the private sector and the private sector cannot support what our politicians are spending. Soon there will not be enough “rich people” to pay for our politicians dreams and then what will they do? They will take their pound of flesh whether it comes from the rich or the middle class or the poor. After all, they have nothing to lose except their office which ultimately means more to them than what is best for our country. The bottom line is is that our standard of living is about to go into the tank. And it is all because of bad political leadership from both parties. I know it sounds cliche and simplistic, but I really think we should really consider throwing all of them that are in power now out. For better or worse, at least we would not have the status quoe.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:56 pm
Paul,
Too late. I don’t know how she got that thing in here. And God knows where it will wind up, hopefully not on my pillow when i got to bed tonight.
Dave R.,
My point earlier is that insurance companies do absolutely nothing for the actual care of patients. So why do we actually need them? If health care was indeed to follow true free market principles the consumer would pay for what they could afford and pay the provider directly. The provider would be forced to price their services accordingly.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
4:57 pm
Dave R.,
Those are real women in the Book According to Bosch.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:58 pm
“When I hear Republicans decry AA…and looking at who they present as success stories (and they themselves achieved due to AA!!), them I ask myself: Is this hypocritical or what???”
By all means, continue to support Maxine Watters, Charlie Rangel, John Edwards, Cynthia McKinny etc….
HDB
March 31st, 2010
4:59 pm
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
4:51 pm
“Black men still are at the end of the selection choice!!”
They are? All black men are at the end of the selection choice? I think not
Wrong again….in most employment situations, a black female is the first option, for that would solve the problem of hiring TWO minorities at once: black AND female. Second choice: white woman….Third choice: white male (as long as he’s under 40)…and fourth: black man.
In my experience, that’s the hiring hierarchy!! Particularly here in the South!! Once out of the South, the dynamic does change slightly!!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
5:00 pm
Gonna take me an early dinner break, so have fun, y’all.
Typing is the ONLY way I can say y’all. Coming from Massachusetts, that word is a no-no to me.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
5:01 pm
Bosch
It’s not that I don’t care about the WC. The Blue Lions will be playing Man U. this weekend.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:01 pm
“So why do we actually need them?”
Because of the reason that any insurance was invented in the first place: because they “pool” resources and make services available to those who need them for less cost to that person than the total would be if the person had to pay the entire cost themselves. They reduce risk. That is why insurance exists.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
5:03 pm
Bosch, what Doggone said.
One of the first things I agree with him on, but then, it has nothing to do with a principle.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:04 pm
“Wrong again….in most employment situations, a black female is the first option, for that would solve the problem of hiring TWO minorities at once: black AND female. Second choice: white woman….Third choice: white male (as long as he’s under 40)…and fourth: black man.”
Whatever happened to hiring the best candidate? Sad when people have to hire a person based on skin color just for the sake of skin color.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:04 pm
“Once out of the South, the dynamic does change slightly!!”
Then leave the hated south. Go north young man!
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
5:06 pm
You ain’t none too bright is ya.
Bright enough not to post a work by someone else without using quotation marks or slanties.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:08 pm
“Bright enough not to post a work by someone else without using quotation marks or slanties.”
Come arrest me Kamchak.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2010
5:11 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:12 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:13 pm
Doggone and Dave R.,
In theory yes, that’s why insurance exists, but with health insurance, I think when you talk about actual costs and free market principles, it impedes that process. Health care providers would be forced to price according to what the consumer could afford, or they’d go out of business. On the consumer side, we’d be forced to reduce our own risk (not smoke, exercise more, etc.).
Yeppers
March 31st, 2010
5:14 pm
The most immediate impact of the Census is that it distorts unemployment rates. With 1.2 million hired temporarily during the fall, the Census is already skewing the unemployment numbers in the government’s favor. Specifically, the fall data shows unemployment at 9.8% (Sept), 10.1% (Oct), and 10% (Nov).
Fools playing a game for fools.
HDB
March 31st, 2010
5:14 pm
Who dat: “Whatever happened to hiring the best candidate?”
Did that ever really exist?? IN many cases, hasn’t it been: “It’s not what you know, but WHO you know!!” What about the “good ol’ boy” network??
BTW…I left the South for 10 years…but I came back for a stronger reason: to care for my parent with Alzheimers’! Family IS a strong motivation for me…and that’s a sacrifice I GLADLY accept!!
Out to lunch….back in 45 minutes!! Ciao!!
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:16 pm
Doggone and Dave R.,
And another thing, I agree with the purpose of insurance being to reduce risk and pool resources, but I don’t see health insurance has lost its way in that process. They are in control of the costs for a service they don’t provide, which to me, is frakked up.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:16 pm
“it impedes that process. Health care providers would be forced to price according to what the consumer could afford, or they’d go out of business.”
And you would lose that pooling that makes the costs lower. If you’re going to do away with “the middleman” what are you going to put in it’s place, to get that pooling that reduces risk?
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:17 pm
“What about the “good ol’ boy” network??”
Oh I despise the good ole boy club. Believe me. The UGA/BAMA/OLEMISS/ frat boys with their khaki pants, tucked in J. Crew shirts and floppy hair. That’s all I ever see in most southern cities.
Trust me HDB, it gets on my last nerve.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:17 pm
“but I don’t see health insurance has lost its way in that process.”
Ah, that’s what happens when you have a thought, delete some of it and type again without re-reading what you’ve typed. Hopefully you catch my drift.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:19 pm
“They are in control of the costs for a service they don’t provide, which to me, is frakked up”
But that is true of any insurance, it’s just more apparent with health insurance. And I’m not really defending the industry…as always, my preference is for a single-payer system. You still have the middle-man, but the “pool” that middle-man is bargaining for is MUCH bigger.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:21 pm
Doggone,
I’m talking strict free market principles here. Of course you would lose that pool, or it could be done on a smaller scale or direct agreements with those who provide the service.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:24 pm
“as always, my preference is for a single-payer system”
Mine too, and that’s the other problem when you are talking health and illness because it affects everyone. And with a single-payer, one consumer, they are the one who gets to decide the cost of services – it’s a fair playing field and not based on what people can or can not afford, which is how I see it now.
Brett
March 31st, 2010
5:25 pm
I see the need to round up all GOP Inferiors, place them in concentration camps, rewire their systems. For those for whom it doesn’t “work,” there’s always the Midnight Express to Bremerhaven.
RW-(the original)
March 31st, 2010
5:26 pm
As usual Iowahawk sums this up quite well
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:26 pm
“I’m talking strict free market principles here”
But that’s not a viable option for healthcare. All that would happen is what happened before any sort of health insurance was invented: only those who could afford it would get good healthcare. That’s why “group insurance” became such a huge part of union bargaining…because it offered affordable insurance and healthcare to workers who would otherwise not be able to afford either.
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
5:32 pm
@Dave R
GIGO, in my opinion is not appropriate to use to analyze the events with the CBO. It is their job to take the numbers they are given and determine what outcomes will occur because of said numbers. Not an IT concept at all.
Did you ever come up with accounting terms that will equate to your 4:21 statements?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:38 pm
Doggone,
Oh, I know. I just thought it was interesting to think about health care in pure free market terms. With that, you get into the whole debate of does health care depend on what your job or is it a right for all?
Chris Broe
March 31st, 2010
5:40 pm
I love polls. The right keeps pointing to them. If only they had a chalkboard and could draw a pie chart or something……
This just illustrates how reactionary the Right has become. I was hoping they would campaign on repealing reform, (and get clobbered in November). It’s very important for Democrats in November that not one single Republican voted Aye. The Campaign ads will write themselves. When you can lump them all into one great big steaming pile……
But this is typical wingnut-crackers.. It’s like the Right is grasping at whatever straw they think might stick. Another problem for the GOP: the fringe militia groups are being melded into the parade of extreme right wing stars saying extreme right wing things (Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin/Ann Coulter). Rush Limbaugh’s “we have to wipe them out, get rid of them”…. Ann Coulter’s winked-death narrative of wishful massacres of everything liberal…..Glenn Beck’s chalkboard-manifestos and convoluted, torturously-detailed conspiracies; ……….and dont forget that Sarah Palin’s just so rogue….
If we get job growth, (and Good Friday’s number is big here), and if the Right persists in campaigning on knee-jerk legislative remedies, then we may get the votes we need to pass the rest of Obama’s agenda and the country will enter a new golden age of democratic reform. The campaign is ON!!
But what a great president we have! I love the way American voters are of a mindset that Republican dirty tricks can actually backfire. The only one who swallows everything wholesale anymore is Lady Gaga. and that’s something new.
Bud Wiser
March 31st, 2010
5:41 pm
The real cowards are all those who have already announced their ‘retirement’ from politics, not wanting to face the firestorm of opposition.
They sit in their comfy little offices,making phone calls to their buddies, congratulating themselves on their fine jobs, and how they have screwed the average American to the turf while they prepare for their lush and already paid for by us, retirement.
I say screw ‘em, and we’ll get this repeal underway when all the Democrats have been replaced, if it is necessary; after all, legal challenges are already growing as to the bill’s constitutionality.
It will be the ultimate slap in the face of the Liar in Chief when his handiwork is cut down.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:43 pm
“With that, you get into the whole debate of does health care depend on what your job or is it a right for all?”
Yes, you do. Which is why it can’t really be put into “market terms” – because in the case of healthcare the market has all the power, if you eliminate the bargaining power of pools.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
5:50 pm
Doggone,
“Which is why it can’t really be put into “market terms” – ”
Exactly. Dont’ get me wrong, I’m with you on how I think things SHOULD be. This thought came to me from listening to a friend of mine go on about how they work hard and have insurance and it shouldn’t be taken away from them or messed with by the government. And I thought, well, what about those who don’t work for one reason or another, or lose their insurance or work for a company that doesn’t provide insurance. Are people really that callous to think that health care is a deserved service rather than a right? Like them or hate them, or whatever, no one in this country should be sick and not get care because of costs.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:51 pm
“But this is typical wingnut-crackers..”
Yet democrats are always talking about republicans being racist…………
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
5:53 pm
“I love the way American voters are of a mindset that Republican dirty tricks can actually backfire. ”
Unemployment: 10%
Job losses mount in March “unexpectedly.”
Democrats trail in almost every poll.
Yep, democrats sure have a lot going for them……..
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
5:55 pm
“Like them or hate them, or whatever, no one in this country should be sick and not get care because of costs.”
Not only that…and some people do NOT like it when I put it in TRUE “market” terms…the healthier the general population is, the better the bargain for employers. Healthy people take fewer sick days off…and that is the REAL “bottom line.” And it’s why I think the day approaches, when access to affordable healthcare WILL be a right, because it’s economically advantageous.
@@
March 31st, 2010
5:57 pm
Right here Obama says, “If elected I will continue the moratorium on offshore drilling here, in Florida, and around the country.
Now he’s in favor?
GoingBroke
March 31st, 2010
5:58 pm
Chris Broe
March 31st, 2010
5:40 pm
“If we get job growth, (and Good Friday’s number is big here), and if the Right persists in campaigning on knee-jerk legislative remedies, then we may get the votes we need to pass the rest of Obama’s agenda and the country will enter a new golden age of democratic reform. The campaign is ON!!”
— Another 23,000 private payrolls were cut in March, according to the most recent ADP Employment Report. Though that was the smallest decline in two years, the news prompted participants to pressure stocks since the addition of 40,000 jobs had been expected.
The surprise drop in payrolls has called into question projections for the official nonfarm payrolls report, which is due Friday and is expected by many to show an increase of 185,000 jobs. Unlike the ADP figure, the government’s tally is subject to a weather-related rebound and will include 2010 census workers. —
Note.. the government’s tally — they don’t like real numbers…
GoingBroke
March 31st, 2010
6:09 pm
@@
March 31st, 2010
5:57 pm
“Right here Obama says, “If elected I will continue the moratorium on offshore drilling here, in Florida, and around the country.
Now he’s in favor?”
just about everywhere but the west coast…
tscali
March 31st, 2010
6:11 pm
let the pols handle the nuts and bolts in obamacare. the people can go the distance on resistance. it will be cheaper to pay the fine than the premium. holdouts rule.
md
March 31st, 2010
6:13 pm
HDB,
I commend you for your views on welfare from downstairs, although I never mentioned any one program. You may want to ask the resident enabler how the new hc subsidies are tied to “education, training, and job search”. I’d love to see that link.
Enabling is a short term solution to a long term problem and in actuality, makes the problem worse.
@@
March 31st, 2010
6:14 pm
just about everywhere but the west coast…
Along with the coasts above Delaware and Alaska’s Bristol Bay. No drilling in either.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
6:15 pm
Doggone,
Yeah, my friend didn’t like that either because it forced them to answer the question of whether health care should only be for those who have insurance or can afford it. That’s why I originally posed the question to Dave R because of his beliefs about the free market – because if you truly believe in the free market, then you have to admit that health care, as it is with insurance the way it is, is one, not allowed to truly operate according to free market principles, or you have to admit that if you believe in those principles, you have to be willing to take responsibility if the day comes that you can’t afford to receive care. Personally, I don’t think health care should be thought about in those terms, but that it should be available to all, and not dependent upon whether or not you have insurance or what the costs are.
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
6:19 pm
http://biztelevision.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/offshore-drilling-or-how-a-campaign-promise-was-fulfilled/
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
6:24 pm
“Now he’s in favor?”’
It won’t happen. Once Cap and Trade passes it won’t matter.
@@
March 31st, 2010
6:26 pm
AmVet:
I read your link. I don’t think Obama CAN alienate his supporters…not the ones on this site anyways.
If I lived in Massachusetts, I’d vote for this guy.
Keith Lepor knows what it is to be middle class.
Heck! He’s more qualified to be president than Obama is.
@@
March 31st, 2010
6:28 pm
Germany is the latest to cave on Cap & Trade. First it was France. What would be the point? Certainly not environmental.
md
March 31st, 2010
6:31 pm
As for repeal or replace, correct me if I am wrong, but if the SC rules that any part of the bill is unconstitutional, the whole bill must be redrafted and repassed.
If this is the case, and the dems lose seats in Nov. could get interesting.
Will be even more interesting if it all comes down to the SC and the long memory of Barry’s unkind words in the SOTU.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
6:38 pm
“What would be the point? Certainly not environmental.”
What’s the point of any liberal agenda. Control.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 31st, 2010
6:38 pm
With federal budget deficits running wild, investors are growing uneasy at the idea of lending money to an institution that seems unable to stop spending beyond its means. Last month, something extraordinary happened: Two-year bonds offered by Berkshire Hathaway Inc. commanded lower yields than those offered by the U.S. government. As Bloomberg.com put it, “The bond market is saying that it’s safer to lend to Warren Buffett than Barack Obama.”-ChicagoTribune
We should repeal and replace obozo, just sayin….
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
6:39 pm
“Will be even more interesting if it all comes down to the SC and the long memory of Barry’s unkind words in the SOTU.”
That would be pretty awesome. I’d pop me up some pop corn and watch Chris Matthews head explode as that tingle leaves his pasty white out of shape leg.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
6:40 pm
“We should repeal and replace obozo, just sayin….”
I wonder if Bush is sitting in Dallas laughing right now.
@@
March 31st, 2010
6:50 pm
Still, any new geoengineering schemes should be welcomed–they might just be our biggest hope in the quest to stop climate change.
From a Harvard bubble-brain.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 31st, 2010
6:52 pm
NASA Data Worse Than Climate-Gate Data, Space Agency Admits.
NASA can put a man on the moon, but the space agency can’t tell you what the temperature was back then.
You know what I’m sayin…
theyeshaveit
March 31st, 2010
7:00 pm
Bosch, as I have said before, cat’s are more of a cerebral creature. Dogs, well, gotta love them, too, for what they are.
@@
March 31st, 2010
7:05 pm
Don’t know if Oncor’s Smart Meter is one of Obama’s green initiatives, but for $2.19 a month it can tell you what the outside meter is doing. The electricity company sends you a bill every month at THEIR bulk rate. It gives you the meter reading. If it’s too high, use less.
It’s not rocket science.
@@
March 31st, 2010
7:06 pm
Who dat?:
Looks like you wore ‘em down.
Too funny!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
7:12 pm
Sadly, Bosch, nothing is truly free market anymore with all the government regulations and rules that hamper/govern them. Health care and the associated insurance companies are not immune from that, and may never be.
Jackie, I don’t know any more to tell you. If you don’t think that putting your own flawed figures into the CBO for the expressed purpose of getting out a desired outcome, then there is no reasoning with you. They put garbage in, and got garbage out. Simple as that.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
7:14 pm
“Looks like you wore ‘em down.”
Who, the race baiters?
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
7:22 pm
“nothing is truly free market anymore with all the government regulations and rules that hamper/govern them”
And the reason for that is always the same: the government has to step in to save customers and employees from unscrupulous business owners. If all owners could be trusted to be honest and caring, there would be no need for government regulations. They aren’t, and there is…and always will be.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:31 pm
Dave R.,
“Health care and the associated insurance companies are not immune from that, and may never be.”
I agree with that, and part of that is because we’ve allowed it to be. I know you love your free markets and all, but a truly healthy society is one who can balance the two (govt. and the free market).
I understand that every government service could be supplied by private companies, but do we really want that? As a society, are we willing to pay for that? Or do we think that some things like education, roads, defense, clean food, and health care are a right or a privilege? If a right, then the govt. pay for it, if not then private companies, and we pay for their overhead which we have no control over by voting them in or out of office. And how much are we really willing to pay?
The other Bosch and I were just out on the porch talking (and drinking – I fell off the “I gave up booze for Lent wagon) and we came up with another thought:
How is treating a lobbyist to dinner any different than someone getting food stamps?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:32 pm
Ooooh. Doggone, me and you just had a kind of Zen moment.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
7:34 pm
“me and you just had a kind of Zen moment”
great minds? …
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:35 pm
Yeah, definitely fell off the wagon, let me rephrase:
How is a lobbyist treating a representative, senator, whatever, government employee to dinner any different than someone getting food stamps?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:35 pm
Doggone,
“great minds? …”
You spoil me.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
7:39 pm
“You spoil me”
It’s amazing to me now much faith the “free marketers” have in people. And it’s SUPPOSED to be the “progressives” that are out of touch with reality!
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 31st, 2010
7:40 pm
How is treating a lobbyist to dinner any different than someone getting food stamps?
It often costs the taxpayers a lot more money to feed the lobbyist.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:46 pm
Doggone,
Yes, it is. i would be a total free marketer if I weren’t so cynical of humanity. I always WANT people to do the right thing, and I’m constantly disappointed.
Hillbilly Deluxe,
Exactly.
Think of all the starving people we (as taxpayers) could feed on one dinner alone……
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:47 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe,
And if you go by the GOP’s expense vouchers, we could feed villages!
Paul
March 31st, 2010
7:48 pm
Bosch
Humanity’s great.
It’s the people what’s the problem.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
7:50 pm
Paul,
Yeah, I hear you. It’s like with work, if it weren’t for these damn clients, my job would be awesome!
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
7:54 pm
Reagan Redux Could Pay for Health Care
http://www.truthout.org/reagan-redux-could-pay-health-care58074?print
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
7:54 pm
Bosch, let’s go back to my question to josef about what constitutes a right.
What do you think Bosch? My answer is that a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being. Everything else is a service to be contracted for.
And you may find this interesting but since I know there is no way that people will ever do without their security blanket known as government, I agree that a healthy balance is needed. However, your idea of healthy and my idea of healthy would be very different. We are in a very unhealthy balance and getting worse in my opinion as government power grows exponentially.
I, for one, am very willing to take on any person or corporation should they do me or my family wrong through deliberate action or neglect.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
7:56 pm
“My answer is that a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being. Everything else is a service to be contracted for”
Ok, given that definition…do you agree that there is a right to life? And if you do, how do you get around the fact that a baby cannot enjoy that right without the direct intervention of at least one adult willing and able to raise him to the age where he can be self-sufficient?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:03 pm
That is because rights are not usually considered valid until the person reaches an age where society agrees that the person is an adult, Doggone. So technically, I do not specifically believe in an all-encompassing right to life, except as it can be enforced by the parents until such time they consider their child to be self-sufficient.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:06 pm
“So technically, I do not specifically believe in an all-encompassing right to life”
Technically? What about the right to life of an adult disabled to the point where they require assistence to, say, eat?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:10 pm
Then they are not considered self-sufficient, Doggone, and are still the responsibility of the parents.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:12 pm
Dave R
If I may butt in while I’m considering what to do with this work project…
[[My answer is that a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being.]]
I like to think I’ve a right to breathe clean air. Drink pure water. Heck, I even think I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
All that requires someone else to actively participate. Not foul my air. Pollute my water.
And also leave me the heck alone!
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:12 pm
“and are still the responsibility of the parents.”
And if they have no parents, or any other living relatives?
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:14 pm
Dave,
Funny thing is, I agree with you. Shocking, I know. But as Doggone pointed out, if we could only rely on people to do the “right” thing, we’d all be set. I agree with you that every single thing the govt. provides, could be done by private companies. The problem is, how powerful is our individual influence to provide services? We, as the government (and i think of our society as the government, me as the government) have the power to vote in those to lead and represent our collective ideas of what makes a decent society. And what are the services, that we, as a society, consider decent and basic? And are we willing to leave it up to the individual to provide those basic services? I, for one, think I could do that. I, at my core, am a total fan of Albert Camus, the Everyman’s existentialist.
But as a cynic, do not have that faith in other individuals.
But I digress. As a society, we define what we can and can not deal with, what we think as right and wrong.
And my response to this:
“My answer is that a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being.”
To that core, to survive, we/i could do anything – but as a society, are we willing to see those who can’t die or suffer? People do the things they do to fit their definition of “surviving” – the core of it is….what are we willing to watch?
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:16 pm
Dave R. – as I see it, your definition of rights is now:
“a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being. Everything else is a service to be contracted for.”
When “person reaches an age where society agrees that the person is an adult”
If you are “self-sufficient”
Got any MORE qualifications you want to add to your original definition?
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:18 pm
Braves looking strong this year.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:21 pm
Well Paul, you certainly have the ABILITY to breathe and to drink water, but finding such purity would be your responsibility.
Doggone, what would you have me say? Hopefully, the parents have taken steps to provide for that child, but failing that, that person would likely become a rare ward of the state.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:25 pm
“Hopefully”
Can’t you see that what you are saying, by qualifying your original statement, that if you are too disabled to be self-sufficient you have NO RIGHTS?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:25 pm
No, Doggone. No more qualifications from me, however, I (wrongly) assumed that you would consider adulthood and self-sufficiency to be one and the same as I do.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:25 pm
Paul! Are YOU as excited as I am about the new “Clash of the Titans?”
RELEASE THE KRACKEN!!!!
Indeed.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:27 pm
But Dave, you, as well, as I, know that adulthood does not equate to self-sufficiency.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:28 pm
every single thing the govt. provides, could be done by private companies
hmmm,
-So there’s profit to be made in putting out fires at people’s houses?
-It’ll be sweet when can send a birthday card to mom at the minimum FedEx rate!!
-How do I get a private firm to repave my road or fix the potholes in my street? Instead of working on some other street? Write em a check?
-What about the interstates? We go to a total toll system?
-Food inspections will now be added to the price of the food we buy?
-How do the water testers make money?
-I think if a water works company wants to make money replenishing and delivering water they might want to raise the prices at the tap. Not sure how clean/smelly our workmates will be if they can’t afford their water bill.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:28 pm
And, again, what are you willing to watch?
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2010
8:28 pm
RELEASE THE KRACKEN!!!!
Oooh, you racity-racial Racist!
/whodat
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:29 pm
Yes, Doggone, your 8:25 would be correct. If that person could not care for themselves as far as feeding or taking basic care of themselves, they would not have rights, nor likely care if they did.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:29 pm
“I (wrongly) assumed that you would consider adulthood and self-sufficiency to be one and the same as I do.”
Yes, you assumed wrongly. I do not think that a child has ALL of the rights of an adult, but I would not agree that they have NO rights. And I would not agree that a disabled person has NO rights.
As I see it, and I’m not certain I can say exactly what I mean…but I’ll try: rights are whatever the society agrees they are; that the society is willing to defend for each and EVERY member of that society; and that apply to all members of that society…subject to the qualification that children under a determined age of adulthood cannot participate in ALL of those rights until they become adults.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:29 pm
Dave R
I’ve a feeling if we were on septic tanks and mine leaked into your water supply, or I decided to start a home smelting business and fired up toxic gasses that blew over your home… that if you told me to fix my septic tank and shut down the smelter… if I said “you want clean water? you want pure air? Go find it – it’s your responsibility” that you would have a less than ‘oh well” attitude.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:30 pm
Finn,
It all goes towards, what are we, as a society, willing to pay, what we consider basic services, and what we are willing to do ourselves to survive.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:32 pm
“If that person could not care for themselves as far as feeding or taking basic care of themselves, they would not have rights, nor likely care if they did”
You might want to take that interesting statement to a quadraplegic and ask him what HE thinks about it.
If such a person has NO RIGHTS, then why should we not just euthanize them and they will no longer be a burden to their family or to society?
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:33 pm
BOSCH
YES!!
Liam Neeson is perfect for that part. What a voice.
But he’d better keep his light saber holstered.
Finn
“every single thing the govt. provides, could be done by private companies”
I’m not sure who wrote that, but I’d think our experience with Hessians and Blackwater would put that idea back for reconsideration.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:34 pm
Bosch, today we do not consider self-sufficiency equivalent to adulthood, but rather assign an arbitrary age to grant that. Certainly some people could be self-sufficient at an earlier age, while, many others would need more time.
Libs would obviously need more time, as a general rule.:D
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:34 pm
We don’t need street lights, either. Everyone can buy their own flashlights if they want to walk around in the dark.
oh, and if you want to pick a fight with a small 3rd world country as Americans are wont to do, you’ll have to hire your own mercenaries and coordinate the whole shebang yourself. Have fun.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:35 pm
“but I’d think our experience with Hessians and Blackwater would put that idea back for reconsideration.”
Not exactly, I don’t think. The statement “could be done by private companies” hinges on the word “could.” Certainly they COULD be done by private companies, the question is: do we WANT them done by private companies?
theyeshaveit
March 31st, 2010
8:36 pm
Jackie said, “The Dems lost the seat in Massachusetts, yet the Sen. Brown(R-MA) is claiming to be his ‘own man.’ Wonder how he will vote on the next issue and if he will realize the voters want moderation and cooperation amongst our legislators.
November will stop the pontification.”
And let us not forget that Scott Brown supported Mitt Romney’s health care plan which included, among other things, the mandate to purchase health insurance.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:37 pm
Paul, I would address that problem to you specifically and if you chose to continue with your deliberate actions would seek redress through the courts.
Your earlier question was regarding “purity” – something not likely to happen on this Earth as long as humans inhabit it.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:39 pm
“every single thing the govt. provides, could be done by private companies
Paul,
That would be me. Everything could be done by private companies, but five times the cost, cause, ya’ know we gotta pay those CEOs.
RELEASE THE KRACKEN!!!
The new kracken looks so much more kick ass than the old one.
~~~~
Doggone,
As someone who saves the taxpayer from providing the care for two old disabled individuals, I’ll take your most recent comment with a grain of salt.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:40 pm
Sorry Doggone,
My last post @ 8:39 was in response to this:
If such a person has NO RIGHTS, then why should we not just euthanize them and they will no longer be a burden to their family or to society?
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:40 pm
Bosch,
Society? That means shared planning and shared ideals, some sharing of common spaces, etc, doesn’t it? In Daveland we will have none of that!!
Why the hell are we even here? Why have pride and citizenship? It’s every man for himself!
United States? United what? Unite this, cowboy!
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:41 pm
“We don’t need street lights, either. Everyone can buy their own flashlights if they want to walk around in the dark.”
For real.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:41 pm
Doggone, if that quadriplegic was aware of his or her issues, they could contract with another person / company to provide sufficiency. However, freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc would not be infringed upon due to their condition, and they would have those rights.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:42 pm
Olbermann is about to do a segment on the Thurbert Baker impeachment. “The night the brains went out in GA” hehehe
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:43 pm
Doggone/GA
I saw the statement as being more of an advocacy type – of the ‘why have gov’t if private companies could do it?”
And when it comes to international relations and hiring mercenaries, I’m pretty much opposed down the line.
Dave R.
I took your point to be there was no right to clean air or water. If there’s redress through the courts, it would seem there would be a right to it, else why go through the courts? We define rights through our laws.
And please don’t keep up with the ‘but air’s not really pure’ line. You know what the concept is.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:43 pm
Finn,
I, once, divulged, into Dave’s version of Utopia for fun…..on a day….when I was bored……..to me, it was scary, but if that’s what we vote for, then I’ll be okay.
Again, we all have to ask ourselves……..what are we willing to watch?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:44 pm
So, Doggone, you say, “rights are whatever the society agrees they are”.
So in your world, we are born slaves to others and remain slaves until the day we die?
Great society you live in. Me? Nope. I’m not playing.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:44 pm
if that quadriplegic was aware of his or her issues, they could contract with another person / company to provide sufficiency
LOL. lala land.
“Umm, hello. Good day I’d like to inquire about obtaining some services”
“Sir, how are you going to pay for these services?”
“Umm, with what’s in this here bedpan”
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:45 pm
” I’ll take your most recent comment with a grain of salt.”
I was meant to be. I was just trying to show Dave R. the ultimate conclusion of his statement that disabled people who are not self-sufficient have NO rights.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:45 pm
Bosch, I might like what they appear to be smoking in Daveland!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:47 pm
And Paul, if a court were to determine that what you did was deliberate and sufficiently infringed on my property, then you would have to compensate me for that and/or cease your actions. If they did not, I could find ways to clean up your mess and if they were too expensive or time consuming, I could move elsewhere.
But my bet would be on a court finding you at fault.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:47 pm
Bosch 8:39
Thanks for the clarification. The way you presented it is a good example that just because something’s possible, it’s not necessarily wise.
Did you know the Kracken is real? Not computer generated?
They hide it in caverns in New Mexico. It’s a mutation caused by impure water…..
Didja watch V yet?
And I’m about getting ready to bag it in. Worked long enough. This keyboard time is wind-down time.
I think I’ve got a bottle of wine around here somewhere…. probably if I looked in that wine cooler thingie….
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:48 pm
“However, freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc would not be infringed upon due to their condition, and they would have those rights.”
I accept that you are retracing your statement that they have NO rights.
“you say, “rights are whatever the society agrees they are”.”
No, that is not ALL that I said. My statement has to be discusse in it ENTIRETY. Not just a little piece of it that you choose. It’s all tied together and can’t be separated.
“So in your world, we are born slaves to others and remain slaves until the day we die?”
Nope, I never said that. I never said anything like that. Try again.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:48 pm
Doggone,
“that disabled people who are not self-sufficient have NO rights.”
And should just be euthanized? Again, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. When you put health care into a black and white venue, like our free market friends (Dave, I wrote friends), things don’t work out so well for the weak.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:49 pm
“retracing” – sorry, should be: retracting
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:49 pm
Finn,
“I might like what they appear to be smoking in Daveland!”
Oh Jesus, me too.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:49 pm
But my bet would be on a court finding you at fault.
But Paul’s got bank and has hired the entire OJ Simpson defense team and you show up with your court-appointed middle-of-the-pack law school graduate. You won’t like the outcome of this.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:50 pm
“And should just be euthanized?”
Bosch, of course not! Don’t get me confused with Dave R. It was HE who asserted that non-self-sufficient disabled people have NO RIGHTS. Though he has now retracted THAT particular statement.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:51 pm
Doggone/GA
I like carrying things to their logical, yet absurd, conclusions. As Albert with his solution to abortion (kill the mother!!!!) in Birdcage:
“Albert: Oh, I know what you’re going to say. “If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too.” But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship? “
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:52 pm
Paul,
No, I haven’t watched it yet. But damn I’m excited about that new movie. “Release the Kracken” can be used in so many contexts!
Jackie
March 31st, 2010
8:52 pm
@Dave R
Had to go on a small auto malfunction, however, my last comment concerning GIGO and the CBO.
Regardless of the number, they project what the results will be given all the parameters associated with the legislation. So if you have a truth table concept employed, regardless of the number, the results will always be true because they are only analyzing the results based on the parameters given.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:52 pm
“I like carrying things to their logical, yet absurd, conclusions”
Yes, me too…and I like to watch the other “debator” try to squirm out of admitting that logical conclusion.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
8:53 pm
Kracken is a plumber with no belt??
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:53 pm
Doggone,
Please, don’t ever think that I, would, for any moment, get you and Dave confused for one another.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
8:54 pm
Dave R 8:47
Again, you’re assuming a right. You initial point, I thought, was I had no right to clean air or water. “Go find it” you said, or something to that effect. But by going to court, you are seeking to enforce a right conferred through law.
So it seems you accept a whole host of rights that are dependent upon the participation of others.
Even your right to ‘property’ depends on the active participation of others.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
8:54 pm
Doggone,
Or your thoughts……… again, you spoil me…..
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:55 pm
What this discussion is trying to get at is that government should be the court of LAST resort, not first resort, and it is inherently lazy of anyone to look towards others for their life, liberty and property without first doing everything they can to secure it themselves.
Our society has become the opposite of that, and anyone with an objective brain cell in their head can see that we rely far too much on government to solve our individual problems today. Government is now the court of FIRST resort, not last resort. They provide a safety net for virtually every bad behavior on the planet, and the lazy sit back and allow someone else to pay for that while never having the need to take advantage of the very programs they fund.
It is a mindset that will doom this country in less than 50 years if allowed to continue, and I for one will not play any game where I do not set the rules for myself. I don’t care what other rules the rest of you like to play by, but as long as you don’t make up rules for me that I don’t like, you’re welcome to play as well.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
8:59 pm
“Please, don’t ever think that I, would, for any moment, get you and Dave confused for one another”
OK! sorry about that!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
8:59 pm
No, Paul. We can certainly differ on what is considered clean and what parameters can be used to determine a level or purity as well as a level of responsibility on your part to not adversely affect my property. That is what a court would decide upon if we could not agree.
getalife
March 31st, 2010
9:00 pm
Did ya impeach the AG yet?
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 31st, 2010
9:00 pm
The law of the jungle works pretty good if you’re a lion or a tiger. If you’re an antelope or a wildebeest, not so well. As much as we might like to think otherwise, everybody here is in the prey animal category.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
9:00 pm
Dave R.
I’ve long maintained that when it comes to issues of power and money, the vast majority of people will do whatever is not specifically prohibited by law. “Morality be damned, if it’s not against the law and it’ll make me a buck, I’ll do it.”
So I like laws. Lots and lots of ‘em. And they all tell me what I have a right to. And I am big about going to the other side and attempting to settle things based upon what’s right and seemingly moral. But failing that, that’s what courts are for.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
9:00 pm
And Paul, please tell me how my right to property depends on the active participation of another. This should be good.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
9:03 pm
Doggone, you have a corner on the market for “absurd”, but you have nothing on “logical”.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
9:03 pm
Dave R. 8:59
Not really. Courts will decide it only if it’s a matter of law. Again, you’re assuming a right based in law. What I understood your position earlier was “What do you think Bosch? My answer is that a right is something you can do without the active participation of another human being. Everything else is a service to be contracted for.”
What I’m pointing out is, all these laws (which is what the courts are all about) are dealing with rights which do in fact require the active participation of others.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
9:05 pm
Dave R.,
“please tell me how my right to property depends on the active participation of another”
Forgive me for intruding, but It doesn’t.
But that means you’ll be totally self-sufficient, and I mean, TOTALLY, self sufficient.
And that doesn’t include the fact that your property is in the vicinity of a thriving municipality. Damn. You sound like those crazy militia folks.
FinnMcCool
March 31st, 2010
9:05 pm
Obama now in favor of drilling and so the Republicans now have to be against that.
clockwork. Yawn.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
9:06 pm
Coming from someone who admits to liking lots and lots of laws, it is nothing less than I would expect of you, Paul.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
9:09 pm
Dave R. 9:00
Are you trying to be difficult? I already addressed the right to your enjoyment of your property depends upon my not polluting the water or the air. Your right to that REQUIRES my active participation. Your only redress to my actions is through the courts – and that works ONLY if there are laws prohibiting my actions.
In fact, all laws (conferring rights in one form or another) are laws because people actively participated to make them.
This is getting a bit silly.
Now, upon rereading your post, if “a right is something people CAN do’ meant but one way to have a right, not the only way, I can go along with that. Where we are differing, I think, is the idea it’s the only way.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2010
9:10 pm
Bosch, I now run up against the single advantage cats have over dogs.
If I had cats, I wouldn’t have to take them out right now to do their business.
Other than that, cats are useless.
But I’d better get my three rescued dogs out for their nightly constitutional. Good discussion, even if we disagree on which means of sufficiency we prefer.
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
9:12 pm
“and anyone with an objective brain cell in their head can see that we rely far too much on government to solve our individual problems today. Government is now the court of FIRST resort, not last resort.”
And I think you are guilty of taking an example of a relatively small subset of our society and reasoning that faults of that segment to ALL of our society. Something I vehemently disagree with.
Paul
March 31st, 2010
9:12 pm
Dave 9:06
It’s those very ‘lots and lots of laws’ you would rely on to take me to court to get me to stop polluting your water and air.
So how can you imply you don’t like them?
Paul
March 31st, 2010
9:14 pm
Well Dave, it’s been fun, but the corned beef is cooked and the veggies are done.
And Bosch, I FOUND THE WINE!
Pleasant evening, all -
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
9:15 pm
“please tell me how my right to property depends on the active participation of another”
Your right to property depends on society’s willingness to help you defend that right. If society is not willing to assist in that defense, then you are in the same position in which you placed that quadraplegic…you have NO rights and anyone, including society and/or the government can take that property at any time.
Bosch
March 31st, 2010
9:18 pm
Doggone,
“And I think you are guilty of taking an example of a relatively small subset of our society and reasoning that faults of that segment to ALL of our society. Something I vehemently disagree with.”
TESTIFY!!!!!!
Damn, I wish I’d wrote that.
~~~~~~~~
Dave,
Get a laser pointer, and you’ll soon discover the reasons for owning a cat. And they make you real.
I’ve enjoyed the exchange, as I often do with you…..
~~~~~~
Paul!
Um, I found the wine long ago…..um, I gotta go to bed.
Life sentences
March 31st, 2010
9:25 pm
The concept of individual rights is so new in human history that most men have not grasped it fully to this day. In accordance with the two theories of ethics, the mystical or the social, some men assert that rights are a gift of God – others, that rights are a gift of society. But, in fact, the source of rights is man’s nature.
There is only one fundamental right: a human being’s right to their own life. All the others are its consequences or corollaries. The right to life is the source of all rights.
Thomas Jefferson, the brilliant author of The Declaration of Independence, laid down the principle that “to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.” This provided the only valid justification of a government and defined its only proper purpose: to protect man’s rights by protecting him from physical violence.
Thus the government’s function was changed from the role of ruler to the role of servant. The government was set to protect man from criminals – and the Constitution was written to protect man from the government. The Bill of Rights was not directed against private citizens, but against the government – as an explicit declaration that individual rights supersede any public or social power.
Thomas Jefferson knew that to violate man’s rights meant to compel him to act against his own judgment, or to expropriate his values. Basically, he knew there was only one way to do it: by the use of physical force. There are two potential violators of man’s rights: the criminals and the government. The great achievement of Jefferson was to draw a distinction between these two—by forbidding to the second the legalized version of the activities of the first.
Several years after authoring The Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson said in his first inaugural address, “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 31st, 2010
9:29 pm
Democrats are taking aim at the tea party movement. In a recent fund-raising email, the Democratic National Committee called those who attend tea party events “narrow minded . . . nut jobs” and “vile two-bit wing-nuts.” Democratic leaders routinely denigrate tea party participants and President Barack Obama dismisses them as an extremist “strain [that] has existed in politics for a long time.”
I am a narrow minded nut job and you are an ex-democrat senator, just sayin…
DoggoneGA
March 31st, 2010
9:34 pm
“Doggone, you have a corner on the market for “absurd”, but you have nothing on “logical”.
When you can’t refute the argument, insult your “opponent” I guess that’s what I get for expecting a DISCUSSION. All I get is an insult.
Ace
March 31st, 2010
9:46 pm
How do you know you are not a vile 2 bit wing nut ? Just askin’
AmVet
March 31st, 2010
9:48 pm
Jeebus, Jobus and Maria, mystery meat plagiarizes, wait for it…Ayn Rand. As though it is sacrosanct…
theyeshaveit
March 31st, 2010
9:58 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin…said: Democrats are taking aim at the tea party movement. In a recent fund-raising email, the Democratic National Committee called those who attend tea party events “narrow minded . . . nut jobs” and “vile two-bit wing-nuts.” Democratic leaders routinely denigrate tea party participants and President Barack Obama dismisses them as an extremist “strain [that] has existed in politics for a long time.”
I am a narrow minded nut job and you are an ex-democrat senator, just sayin…
Now, how is it that a “narrow-minded nut job” gets on the address book for the DNC’s email? Or, perhaps, you have a social media account? And you’re tweeting with the Dems?
Brakeman
March 31st, 2010
10:39 pm
Headline: “Jesse Enters Rehab as Sandra Lays Low ………….”
Uh, …………… nevermind.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
10:42 pm
“Braves looking strong this year.”
I posted a Philly website report on the Braves. The sports writer said the Phillies need to be concerned with the Braves. They do indeed look very strong.
Who dat?
March 31st, 2010
10:43 pm
“The new kracken looks so much more kick ass than the old one. ”
You gotta be kidding me. It looks like Michael Bay puked out a giant fish with teeth.
Brakeman
March 31st, 2010
10:53 pm
Headline: “Obama to throw out first pitch”
Gee Whiz ……….. I hope he doesn’t throw it like a girl like he did last year. How emabarrassing.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 31st, 2010
11:54 pm
Doggone
**When you can’t refute the argument, insult your “opponent” I guess that’s what I get for expecting a DISCUSSION. All I get is an insult.**
Now you know how 99% of the people that you respond to feel.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 31st, 2010
11:57 pm
Obama throws like a girl.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=Obama+baseball&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701&vid=0001552365288
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:12 am
Holey F$%%ing Sh#^! In 389 posts not one “conservative” has responded directly to Jay’s posted subject matter. What does this say about the “conservative” movement…other than it may need Metamucil.
In 389 posts not one “conservative” is brave enough to broach the subject matter? Pathetic….
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:20 am
Did Hannity or Rush tell the “conservatives” to back off the efforts to repeal healthcare reform? Perhaps Beck poured the concept through his tears.
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:27 am
Brakeman ~ Headline: “Obama to throw out first pitch”
Good to know you are concentrating on the subject Jay has put in front ofus.
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:29 am
Drain The Swamp (NIF),
“Obama throws like a girl.”
Nice sexism….why are you avoiding Jay’s topic?
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:35 am
Obviously the “conservatives” are afraid of responding directly to the topic presented. Such virile subjects…
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:39 am
“conservatives” are weak…and evidently, like to sleep.
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
2:43 am
Ronnie liked naps, “W” avowed taps.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
April 1st, 2010
2:46 am
jewcowboy
Why are you throwing a tantrum at 2:30 in the morning?
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
April 1st, 2010
2:49 am
jewcowboy
**“conservatives” are weak…and evidently, like to sleep.**
Put down the crack pipe and try to relax. Once it wears off, you will be able to sleep.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
5:25 am
This is gross-
BAGHDAD — Iraq’s political disarray deepened Wednesday when a potential kingmaker withheld his support from both big election winners and said he would ask his supporters to make the choice in a referendum. -Urinal
The terrorists and the AJC don’t like who won the Iraq elections so now they whine and moan…….together, ew!, just sayin…
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
5:47 am
400!
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
5:48 am
401!
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
5:50 am
402! Hat trick!
bwa
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
6:04 am
whiner – how many peeps did you have for breakfast???
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
6:10 am
Why do I get the feeling that the Urinal will not be coming to this guys rescue, like it does for any garden variety pervert?
“What we heard today is that Mr. Stone talks a lot, that Mr. Stone is angry,” Swor said in court. “There’s nothing that says he was looking to make war on the United States.”
Dissent is not a crime, I think, just sayin….
Bout time to show the evidence, you reckon?
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
6:13 am
You can hide but it is already hanging around your neck, just sayin…
While Obama made flying visits across the country to tout the new legislation, a number of key Democrats, who led the charge for healthcare reform, seemed to keep a low profile and are doing little to beat the drum.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
6:15 am
Like the first tiny blossom of springtime, a small inconsequential shoot of green that grows into a massive tree that blocks out everything else around it, just sayin….
• By 50%-46%, those surveyed say Obama doesn’t deserve re-election.
Aahhh, change is a comin…
Rightwing Troll
April 1st, 2010
6:31 am
Too bad your nut sack “change” is such a disaster. Nut sacks had 8 years to implement “change” instead we got where we’re at… This country can’t stand any more “change” like that…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww… bwa
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
6:33 am
“Dissent is not a crime, I think, just sayin…. Bout time to show the evidence, you reckon?”
and I’m SURE you’d be saying the same thing if these guys were Muslim …
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
6:54 am
Lets hear the Conswervatives moan about this:
White House Launches Push For Workplace Flexibility
At the White House on Wednesday, Michelle and Barack Obama held a summit meeting to discuss, as the president put it, “what we can do — as business leaders and advocates, as employees and as government officials — to modernize our workplaces to meet the needs of our workforce and our families.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/white-house-launches-push_n_520909.html
Rightwing Troll
April 1st, 2010
7:03 am
Unfortunately Finn, something like this is neccessary.
Dad’s routinely are punished in family court for “keeping thier nose to the grindstone” by the removal of thier kids in divorce. The “conservative” courts of GA feel that a father that works all the time to support his family and doesn’t take the time to attend every play or conference doesn’t deserve to have any more interection with his children other than write a “support” check to the ex-wife, actually the “conservative” courts of GA feels that way about dad’s who do attend every play and conference as well… if the ex is a “stay-at-home” mom, it gets worse for dad, no time with the kids and a lot more money paid out.
Rightwing Troll
April 1st, 2010
7:04 am
“Dissent is not a crime, I think, just sayin…. Bout time to show the evidence, you reckon?”
and I’m SURE you’d be saying the same thing if these guys were Muslim …
what if they’re gay muslims?
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:06 am
From Hannity’s Conservative Victory book:
“Obama and his party stand for America’s economic bankruptcy, virtual surrender in the war on terror, and a culture of death, from abortion to embryonic stem cell research to healthcare rationing tantamount to death panels. He stands for a comprehensive radicalization of our culture, from turning our schools over to homosexual activists, to undermining the sanctity of heterosexual marriage, to expanding the dependency classes. He stands for polarization and alienation between racial and ethnic groups, and between those of different economic circumstances. He stands for government swallowing the private sector and equalizing income and asset distribution; he may even use the courts, if he can pull it off, to impose what he and his fellow radicals call ‘economic justice,’ a grand-scale version of ‘spreading the wealth around.’”
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ent/manhattan_diary/foxs-sean-hannity-rails-against-the-dependency-classes-89642187.html
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:08 am
Rightwing Troll,
I’m all for it. I can do the same job at home as I can do in the office so I work from the house 2-3 days a week.
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
7:09 am
Finn – yet another example of what I always say about the bubbleheads like Hannity: when all you got it nuttin’, ya fling poo
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:10 am
No wonder the Tea Party crowd are spitting mad and shrieking at Congressmen. No wonder they’re freaking out in front of the cameras. Sean Hannity and Fox News is telling them the world is ending. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous.
If you’re stupid enough to fall for this nightmare vision of the future – and sadly, millions are – you’ll actually become the danger to society that Hannity claims he’s working to prevent. Funny how that works.
The Fox News noise machine is cranking at full tilt this year, obviously. It’s a shame this kind of overheated rhetoric is turning it’s anchors into cranks.
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ent/manhattan_diary/foxs-sean-hannity-rails-against-the-dependency-classes-89642187.html
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:11 am
and Hannity is the king of the pooh flingers.
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:14 am
Another excellent commentary by Eliot Spitzer, this time about how the SEC totally failed to do their job.
http://www.slate.com/id/2249403/
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
7:16 am
Finn – 7:11 – they’re all trying to live up to their own diety, Limbaugh (other than their weight, they’re all in his craven image)
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
7:20 am
totally off-topic, but since it’s Maundy Thursday …
is it wrong to want to eat your weight in hot cross buns???
mmmmmmmmmmmm …
FinnMcCool
April 1st, 2010
7:32 am
Why are the buns mad?
stands for decibels
April 1st, 2010
7:34 am
mornin’.
In 389 posts not one “conservative” is brave enough to broach the subject matter? Pathetic….
I don’t know that it’s especially pathetic, more like human nature. But JCB raises a pretty reasonable point. A few righties touched on HCR in general, true, but unless I missed something, none of our resident GOP voters seems interested in discussing the specific political strategy topic.
stands for decibels
April 1st, 2010
7:34 am
Why are the buns mad?
Who cares, as long as they’re hawt?
jt
April 1st, 2010
7:38 am
Which is more “stupid”?
A tea partier or one who votes for political candidates in different political parties expecting a different result than voting for a candidate in the other political party?
A tea partier or one that believes some bureaucrat in Washington, who doesn’t know you from Batman, actually cares about you.?
A tea partier or one who has voted for political candidates in your own party, expecting them to care more about you than the people who actually paid for them to be elected.?
Just wondering.
stands for decibels
April 1st, 2010
7:40 am
Who is more stupid, jt? A person I’m inclined to think rather highly of, or a person I will now willfully mis-characterize and lampoon as I stack my rhetorical deck?
jt
April 1st, 2010
7:44 am
Are you calling me a conservatoid, sir?
stands for decibels
April 1st, 2010
7:50 am
Oh, and where are my manners? Mornin’, jt.
Are you calling me a conservatoid, sir?
‘zounds, no. (Verily, I think my preferred nickname for run-of-the-mill self-IDing conservatives is “conservadroid.”)
You are more of a confirmed Glibertarian, yes?
Sometimes I’ll refer to such folk as “Libbers,” just to get people confused with the slur against feminists that was used some years back. But I digress.
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
7:53 am
“Why are the buns mad?”
cuz they’re only brought out at Easter when they should be celebrated all year around for their tastiness!
USinUK
April 1st, 2010
7:53 am
oh, and g’morning jt … dB …
stands for decibels
April 1st, 2010
7:59 am
Finn, I had a glance at your 7.10 linkee….
Excuse me, the what? The dependency classes? Is that what they call the poor at his yacht club? Why is he expressing himself like an oligarch circa 1910? Who talks like this in 2010?
With all due respect to Mr. O’Doherty, he obviously doesn’t bother to listen to the AM band. This sort of language is pretty typical among those listeners; it is what makes them feel like they’re Randian “producers”. Of course Ayn was just a throwback to a long line of charlatans, playing greedy people for suckers.
jt
April 1st, 2010
8:00 am
Top of the morning UK.
and the DB.
@@
April 1st, 2010
8:23 am
Once again, Obama’s slow on the uptake.
Offering flex time is nothing new. Companies are already doing it. There’s a problem though:
Choosing fear over flex time
Blame it on the recession, Hewlett and other workplace experts say. Flex-time employees, those who work alternate schedules that included working at home or around their children’s school hours, have become more skittish, they say.
It’s called job security or insecurity, if you will.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/worklife/03/29/flex.time/index.html
Brakeman
April 1st, 2010
9:09 am
to jewcowboy @ 2:29am:
1) Why are you up at 2:29am?
2) It’s a free country ………. I post what I post.
3) The SCOTUS will decide all of this anyway since we are ruled by a judicial oligarchy.
jewcowboy
April 1st, 2010
9:43 am
Brakeman @ 9.09,
1. Why are you up at 9.09?
2. Nice way to avoid the topic
3. Another nice way to avoid the topic
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
April 1st, 2010
11:28 am
Barring an about face by nature or adjustments, it appears that for the first time since 2001, Arctic Sea ice will hit the “normal” line as defined by the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) for this time of year.
Let me guess, cripples, that means we only have until 2335 until the Arctic ice is totally melted away, instead of 2315, right?