Ga. Senate endorses bizarre anti-black conspiracy plot
Last week, the Georgia Senate gave sanction to a bizarre, destructive and racially condescending conspiracy theory. By a 33-14 vote, it approved a bill that purports to outlaw the attempted genocide of black Americans through abortion.
Under the bill’s language, a health care provider could be convicted of a felony and sentenced to up to 10 years in prison for performing an abortion “with the intent to prevent an unborn child from being born based upon the race, color, or gender of the unborn child or the race or color of either parent of that unborn child.”
The bill is inspired by a claim that abortion providers are engaged in a conspiracy to reduce the number of black children born in this country. As Georgia Right to Life has argued in billboards and other outlets, “black children are an endangered species” that need the protection of law against a campaign to eradicate them.
As proof of that campaign’s existence, Georgia Right to Life cites the fact that more than twice as many black women sought abortions in Georgia in 2008 as did white women, even though the state’s population is just 30 percent black.
They do not mention, however, that black women in Georgia also have a pregnancy rate almost twice as high as white women, according to statistics compiled by the Guttmacher Institute. Nor do they point out that the black birth rate in Georgia is about 60 percent higher than for white women.
Those numbers are hardly surprising. The high rate of out-of-wedlock births among black American teenagers represents a continuing cultural, social and economic challenge. Furthermore, liberals and conservatives alike can agree that abortion is not an acceptable solution to that problem.
The best approach is suggested by the fact that in societies around the world, pregnancy rates fall as levels of education and affluence in a community increase.
Until approval of SB 529, the dumbest legislation to pass the House or Senate this year had been a bill to outlaw forced implantation of microchips in human beings, which also passed the Senate. However, while it may rival the genocide-by-abortion bill in terms of weirdness, the microchip bill was at least largely harmless.
The abortion bill, on the other hand, puts the state Senate on record as endorsing the claim that black Americans are being targeted for elimination by health care providers. That’s absurd and flat-out wrong.
Debate over the measure reflected that absurdity. One Republican senator said it was a good thing that Barack Obama’s white mother didn’t choose to abort her pregnancy to avoid the shame of giving birth to a black baby. Sen. Tommie Williams (R-Lyons) argued that without the bill’s provisions criminalizing “coerced abortions,” we could find ourselves following the path of China, where abortions are mandated by government.
Sen. Vincent Fort, an Atlanta Democrat, detected “a whiff of mendacity if not hypocrisy” in conservative concern for black Georgians. Perhaps the most telling observation came from Sen. Hardie Davis, a black pro-life Democrat from Augusta.
“Some things,” he said, “cannot be legislated.”
(Davis was among nine senators who did not cast a vote on the final measure.)
There was a time in recent memory when the Senate was considered the more sane of the two chambers. Strange legislation usually emanated from the House and was allowed to die untouched in the more sober-minded Senate. That has clearly changed.
This year, versions of both the microchip and genocide-by-abortions bills were introduced in the House as well as Senate, but House leadership was wise enough to allow both measures to fade away unnoticed.
In the Senate, lunacy reigns.
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Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:06 am
Who dat?
I say V – I stopped watching Lost cause it was too confusing and I got bored trying to keep up with what was going on.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:08 am
Bosch
Oh I used to think that as well until LAST WEEK! WOW, what an episode. One of the best ever.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:09 am
UnU
It’s a fun job and quite challenging. I prefer people over bags. There’s something satisfying about going head-to-head with someone who’s lying to you and getting them to admit the truth. It takes practice to do it, and there are some countries who’s citizens are harder to break than others.
That’s one of the reasons I’m looking forward to the immigration debate. So many equate illegal immigrants with only those crossing the southern border. No one wants to admit we have a problem with people who enter legally and never leave or violate their visas while here. The 9/11 group all had visas to enter the US legally.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:09 am
“Planned Parenthood primarily serves people who can’t afford regular doctors”
Weirdest comment I’ve read so far today.
Normal
March 30th, 2010
9:10 am
Today is supposed to be “Online Buddies Day”, so here you go…buddies
Happiness keeps You Sweet,
The IRS keeps you broke.
Trials keep You Strong,
Sorrows keep You Human,
Failures keep You Humble,
Success keeps You Glowing,
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Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:13 am
You know what really confuses me? Well, Palin was conjured up to speak at a Mccain rally……yet, 1 year ago, the Mccain camp said that Palin was the reason he lost……………
Hmmmmmmm
Normal
March 30th, 2010
9:14 am
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:13 am
…It’s called pay back!
Matilda
March 30th, 2010
9:14 am
Who Dat? at 9:09,
What part of that comment was beyond your grasp? Just curious.
Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:15 am
Antichrist! Beware! Of these guys:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-militia-raids30-2010mar30,0,1491379.story
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:16 am
“…It’s called pay back!”
For who?
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:16 am
SoCo – yep – those “students” who are still there 15 years later … the “vacationers” who rent apartments …
I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to live here (as did the mister when he lived in the states) … if I had to do it, they should, too …
who dat – “Weirdest comment I’ve read so far today” – not surprised that you don’t get it …
Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:17 am
SoCo,
“There’s something satisfying about going head-to-head with someone who’s lying to you and getting them to admit the truth.”
Oh, just wait til your sweet little daughter turns 12!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:17 am
“What part of that comment was beyond your grasp? Just curious.”
Oh, so since I pointed out a weird comment, it’s somehow “beyond my grasp?” Tisk tisk kitty cat!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:18 am
“who dat – “Weirdest comment I’ve read so far today” – not surprised that you don’t get it …”
Oh, the liberal air force is out in large numbers of two today! Watch out folks, the liberal feminist are here to drop their T.A.M.P.O.N bombs on us stupid evil men!!!!!
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:20 am
Finneus – about Vince Cable – last night was the Chancellors’ Debate with Darling, Osborn and Cable — Cable acquitted himself VERY well (as you would expect). Osborn didn’t do too badly, either (which was surprising – most people expected very little from him – he has a deer / headlight tendancy)
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:22 am
who – 9:17 – if you seem to think a basic statement of facts is “weird”, then, yes, it is obviously beyond your grasp.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:22 am
“Oh, just wait til your sweet little daughter turns 12!”
Uh oh, did she steal the family sedan and head to Panama City?
Matilda
March 30th, 2010
9:23 am
Who Dat?, Okay, I’ll play. I apologize for suggestion the comment was beyond your grasp. What exactly was weird about it? Is it weird to you that health care clinics operate in areas where people cannot afford “regular” private-practice physicians? Or are you just freaked out by anything even remotely related to a “va-jay-jay?” (as indicated by your 9:18)
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:24 am
“if you seem to think a basic statement of facts is “weird”, then, yes, it is obviously beyond your grasp.”
You didn’t state a fact.
The only thing that’s beyond my grasp is whether or not V will be better than Lost tonight.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:24 am
UnU
I won’t disparage countries here, but I’ve had people brag about how they were here illegally until they got married and was able to get their green card. I wish the husbands could be there to hear those confessions.
Bosch
She doesn’t stand a chance!!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:26 am
“Is it weird to you that health care clinics operate in areas where people cannot afford “regular” private-practice physicians? ”
Health Care clinics don’t perform abortions. Health Care clinics don’t send out “activists” to woo 10 year old girls into killing their babies BEFORE they even have sex for the first time. Health Care clinics don’t set up shop next to crack houses in every major city. Health Care clinics perform basic health care needs like say, check ups, physicals etc..
I’ve never read or heard about poor people going to Planned Parenthood for a routine physical.
Doggone/GA
March 30th, 2010
9:26 am
“I am convinced that children are alive very early on”
JDW – the issue isn’t whether they are alive, or not. Of course a foetus is alive. The issue is viability. Until a foetus is at the developmental stage where, if normal, it can be expected to survive on it’s own outside the womb…it is not viable. It is only a symbiote of the woman’s body, and is completely and totally dependent on her and on what happens to her body.
Until it passes that developmental stage…the choice is the woman’s and no one elses. Think of it this way, also. Both the egg and the sperm are living cells that BOTH cease to exist at the moment the egg is fertilized. The are both living cells, but no one agitates to protect THEM.
This is why, traditionally, a foetus is not considered a viable child until it takes it’s first breath. Because once it has begun breathing on it’s own, it is totally and irrevocably separated from it’s symbiotic relationship with the woman’s body.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:27 am
“Or are you just freaked out by anything even remotely related to a “va-jay-jay?” (as indicated by your 9:18)”
Now I finally realize who I’m talking to.
Normal
March 30th, 2010
9:27 am
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:16 am
“…It’s called pay back!”
For who?
For being stupid…fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Get it?
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
9:27 am
“The high rate of out-of-wedlock births among black American teenagers represents a continuing cultural, social and economic challenge. Furthermore, liberals and conservatives alike can agree that abortion is not an acceptable solution to that problem. The best approach is suggested by the fact that in societies around the world, pregnancy rates fall as levels of education and affluence in a community increase.”
I see that none of you Libs, including Jay, is willing to give anything more than lip service to the total breakdown of family in the black community. Far more important to make jokes about the Republicans……
The only problem with your theory, Jay, is that both the educational level and affluence have steadily risen in the black community since the 1960s. At the same time, the percentage of out-of-wedlock births has soared. Whenever you get done chuckling about the dumb Repubs, maybe you can devote some of your massive Lib brainpower toward explaining/solving this problem.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:29 am
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm va-jay-jay!!!!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:29 am
“For being stupid…fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Get it?”
No not really. Mccain threw her under the bus YET calls her back up to help him. Sounds like she’s the bigger asset.
Normal
March 30th, 2010
9:31 am
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:29 am
…Or…he’s just being stupid again…
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:31 am
“I see that none of you Libs, including Jay, is willing to give anything more than lip service to the total breakdown of family in the black community.”
Well, that’s what liberalism is. Keep people poor, keep people down. It’s the liberal way.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:32 am
“…Or…he’s just being stupid again…”
I don’t consider a man who sat in a Vietnam prison for 10 years fighting for his country to be a stupid person. If you think Vets are stupid, you and I have a big problem.
Paul
March 30th, 2010
9:32 am
It should be noted this concept did not spring into existence in the Georgia Legislature (altho the fact this issue has been translated to a bill takes it to a new level).
“L.E.A.R.N. Northeast is part of the Life Education And Resource Network (LEARN), a national network of Christian pro-life/pro-family advocates who are dedicated to protecting the pre-born and promoting traditional family values.
LEARN was officially established in 1993 at the African American Pro-Life Planning Conference in Houston, Texas. One of the primary goals of LEARN is to facilitate a strong and viable network of African American and minority pro-life/pro-family advocates.
Therefore, LEARN welcomes into the network all communities who support Christian values and with to ensure the survival of all races of people, and improve our quality of life without sacrificng our children.”
http://www.blackgenocide.org/who.html
You may want to look at the picture.
“Below is the resolution submitted by the Macon chapter to the NAACP Conventions over the past 4 years. It has yet to be read….
“Whereas, the abortion rights movement has long been linked to the politics of eugenicist Margaret Sager, founder of Planned Parenthood, who assisted in organizing the Negro Project, which was devised as a systematic plan for “peaceful genocide” to reduce the black population in the United States …”
http://www.blackgenocide.org/naacp-resolution.html
There are a number of such movements. Some do likely believe it’s a concerted effort targeting African Americans. I think a large part of it is the desire of pro-life groups to expand their membership and power by trying a different recruiting tactic and bringing a number of groups under one ideological umbrella.
So it’s not necessarily dumb whites or racist Republicans.
But the Georgia Legislature, again, fails to understand how to win the PR war.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:33 am
Bruno
Part of that is because Blacks are not getting married. I have many friends who are single in their 30’s and 40’s. Some have children too. That adds to the stats of out-of-wedlock births although they were choices made and not oops-type births.
Matilda
March 30th, 2010
9:33 am
Who Dat, thanks for the clarification. I see the problem here. You obviously have NO personal knowledge about the maintenance and care of the female reproductive system, nor any portion thereof. Nor have you ever availed yourself of the services of such a clinic, nor had an honest conversation with any of the health care providers who work there.
Because it would clearly gross you out to discuss details, I’ll keep the overview high-level: Planned Parenthood clinics provide specialized care that YOU don’t need, to people who DO. Sometimes that care comes in the form of terminating an unwanted pregnancy, but their primary function is to help women prevent such an event in their lives, and to provide health care for parts that scare you. See, for women, that kind of care IS a “routine physical.” Ask any man who actually has a woman in his life that he cares about. It’s not weird.
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:35 am
“I’ve never read or heard about poor people going to Planned Parenthood for a routine physical”
ahhhhhhhhh … and there’s the problem … you only know what the sidewalk screamers have told you …
first of all, the majority of PP clinics do NOT perform abortions.
Planned parenthood also provides cancer screening – both breast and cervical (19% of services), basic pap smears, STD screening (29% of its services), providing birth control (38% of its services). 10% were health services such as pregnancy / fertility testing / prenatal care.
abortions make up only 3% of its services.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/planned-parenthood1.htm
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
9:35 am
“Of course a foetus is alive. The issue is viability.”
If you use “viability” as a measure of moral/legal “worthiness”, then you have a changing standard every time medical science progresses. Not a very secure standard.
“Both the egg and the sperm are living cells that BOTH cease to exist at the moment the egg is fertilized. The are both living cells, but no one agitates to protect THEM.”
I’ll add that to your ever-growing list of stupid statements.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:37 am
“You obviously have NO personal knowledge about the maintenance and care of the female reproductive system, nor any portion thereof.”
Huh, if that were the case, then who is this woman I’ve been married to for all these years? Where did my babies come from?
“Nor have you ever availed yourself of the services of such a clinic”
Well no $hit, I don’t like to see babies killed. Duh!
“Because it would clearly gross you out to discuss details”
Uh yeah, sucking the brain out of an unborn baby is insane…..
“Ask any man who actually has a woman in his life that he cares about. It’s not weird.”
Sure, I’ll ask my wife of 20 years about that. See what she thinks……..
Paul
March 30th, 2010
9:37 am
off topic, but related to this and every other thread.
came across this thought-provoking quote from economist John Kenneth Galbraith:
“When people are least sure, they are often most dogmatic.”
Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:38 am
Paul,
“I think a large part of it is the desire of pro-life groups to expand their membership and power by trying a different recruiting tactic and bringing a number of groups under one ideological umbrella.”
Yeap, me too – calling people “baby murderers” is getting old and turning off many to their cause.
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:39 am
Brunoooooooooooo !!! my friend!!!
did you see? I wrote a haiku just. for. you. last Thursday morning!!!
also, boy-howdy, do I have a movie recommendation for you!!
have you seen Once? if not, RUN, do not walk, to get it!!! you’ll love it! seriously. go. now. get the movie. stop typing and GO.
Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:39 am
“sidewalk screamers” – I’m gonna have to remember that.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:39 am
Paul
Jay should add that quote from your 9:37 to the banner at the top of the page.
Matilda
March 30th, 2010
9:39 am
Is the moon still full? Pots are requesting a column on the blackness of kettles today. TOO funny!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:39 am
“ahhhhhhhhh … and there’s the problem … you only know what the sidewalk screamers have told you …”
Yes, the PP workers who woo little girls.
“first of all, the majority of PP clinics do NOT perform abortions.”
Oh forgot, the new “progressive term” is “perform terminations. Got it!
“Planned parenthood also provides cancer screening – both breast and cervical (19% of services), basic pap smears, STD screening (29% of its services), providing birth control (38% of its services). 10% were health services such as pregnancy / fertility testing / prenatal care.”
Hmmmmm, and here I thought that every piece of PP reading material was all about abortions. What was I thinking?????
“abortions make up only 3% of its services.”
Uh huh…….
FinnMcCool
March 30th, 2010
9:40 am
Thanks, I’ll check out what the LT had to say. But, if the Liberal Party doesn’t have the votes then they’d probably have to make promises like “free beer” to get them, wouldn’t they?
Doggone/GA
March 30th, 2010
9:41 am
“I’ll add that to your ever-growing list of stupid statements”
Gee, I’m flattered that you bother to keep track of what I say. I didn’t know I loomed that large in your life.
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:41 am
who dat – 9:39 – yep. confronted by facts, all you got is “Uh huh…….”
just cuz it doesn’t fit with your little (very little) view of the world, doesn’t make it false.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:41 am
“Yeap, me too – calling people “baby murderers” is getting old and turning off many to their cause.”
Sort of like Liberals calling anyone who disagrees with Obama, racists? Yep, that does get old.
Paul
March 30th, 2010
9:41 am
SoCom
For many, introspection is not a strong suit.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:42 am
“just cuz it doesn’t fit with your little (very little) view of the world, doesn’t make it false.”
Oh goody! A smarter than thou liberal tries to put me down! How intelligent!
Next you’ll be asking to compare SAT scores, IQ’s, Mensa scores etc…..
Paul
March 30th, 2010
9:43 am
Doggone/GA 9:41
It’s obvious from the postings you have many admirers. They’re just a bit awkward about expressing it, is all. Be patient with them.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:44 am
For many, introspection is not a strong suit.
For many, introspection is an imaginary suit. That sounds better.
Doggone/GA
March 30th, 2010
9:44 am
“For many, introspection is not a strong suit”
Not a strong suit? For too many it’s not even in their closet!
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
9:45 am
“Part of that is because Blacks are not getting married.”
SC–I guess that would be the obvious explanation as to the high number of out-of-wedlock marriages in the black community.
Here’s a link which scratches the surface a little:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/923fdspn.asp
From the link:
“In 1963, according to the famous Department of Labor report issued by Daniel Patrick Moynihan two years later, the out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks was 23.6 percent while the rate among whites was only 3.07 percent. By 2005, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, the out-of-wedlock birth rate among non-Hispanic whites had jumped to 25.3 percent and the rate among non-Hispanic blacks stood at nearly 70 percent. In other words, the black out-of-wedlock birth rate was lower in 1963–on the eve of the Civil Rights Act, when Jim Crow policies were still an ugly reality in the American South and white racism was far more widespread than it is today–than the non-Hispanic white rate was in 2005.”
Doggone/GA
March 30th, 2010
9:45 am
“Be patient with them”
I’m trying, belive me…I’m trying!
jt
March 30th, 2010
9:45 am
“Whenever you get done chuckling about the dumb Repubs, maybe you can devote some of your massive Lib brainpower toward explaining/solving this problem.:
Interesting. High out-of-wedlock births. High college prices. High medical-care prices.
There is a common denominator.
Hence the silence from the progressives.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:47 am
“Hence the silence from the progressives.”
The silence is deafening.
JDW
March 30th, 2010
9:48 am
Dogone at 9:26
I hear your argument, but just like I think society has a responsibility, if possible, to help those less fortunate and those in need I tend to feel that a Mother has a responsibility to the unborn child. You are right the child is helpless and in need of care and nurturing and in 90% + of the cases I think it is the Mother’s responsibility to do so.
The moment of choice and responsibility for her body was at the moment of consensual sex. We need to do a much better job of educating our children on how to handle that moment.
stands for decibels
March 30th, 2010
9:48 am
Jay, is “Who dat?” the same thing that posted as “Outhouse Go-Kart” in weeks past?
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:49 am
“Oh goody! A smarter than thou liberal tries to put me down!”
alls I can say is that an INTELLIGENT person acknowledges the facts rather than parroting the myths of “lured 10-year-old girls” (you do realize that most 10-year olds aren’t menstruating, yet, don’t you???)
in other words, I don’t have to put you down … you do that to yourself just fine without my assistance.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:49 am
Jay, is “stands for decibels” a paranoid liberal?
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:50 am
jt – “There is a common denominator”
um. “high”?
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:53 am
“alls I can say is that an INTELLIGENT person acknowledges the facts rather than parroting the myths of “lured 10-year-old girls” (you do realize that most 10-year olds aren’t menstruating, yet, don’t you???)”
You don’t read well, do ye? I said “PP workers woo little 10 year old girls BEFORE they ever have sex.” Make sense Dr. Hawking?
“in other words, I don’t have to put you down … you do that to yourself just fine without my assistance.”
I’m sure your imaginary friends love you.
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:53 am
Finn – “But, if the Liberal Party doesn’t have the votes then they’d probably have to make promises like “free beer” to get them, wouldn’t they?”
meh – granted, this is the first general election I’ve been here for, but the Lib Dems are too small to pander (you generally only see that when you actually have a prayer of winning). they usually position themselves as the party that holds the other parties’ feet to the fire and keeps them honest.
the good thing is that the poll of the people in attendance at the debate saw an increase in the number of people who will vote for either the Lib Dems or the Tories.
gah! just not more GB!!!
GoingBroke
March 30th, 2010
9:53 am
Jay.. New subject time.. Why don’t we talk about Social Security and how we hit a new record last week? It was the bigget thing to happen to SS since it came about.. but hardly anyone reported it?
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
9:55 am
who dat – “You don’t read well, do ye? I said “PP workers woo little 10 year old girls BEFORE they ever have sex.” ”
wow … so, they’re educating girls to take care of themselves if they become sexually active???
and you think that’s a BAD thing, do you???
yeah, let’s give them more of that “just say no” crap – because that’s working out SO well, with rising STD and teen pregnancy rates …
Bosch
March 30th, 2010
9:55 am
Who dat?
“The silence is deafening.”
Or as Kamchak likes to point out when someone posts that,
Maybe we’re just not that into you.
jt
March 30th, 2010
9:56 am
Talking about bizarro world. Not unlike the use of tobacco taxes, marraige is nonconducive to a centralized state, therefore will be taxed——————
“From 1913 to 1969, married couples had an advantage when it came to income taxes. However, because of the 1948 income-splitting tax-code which many thought was unfair to singles, the law was changed in 1969. The tax raise of 1993 made matters even worse for married couples. Married folks also took a hit by some targeted tax cuts enacted in 1997.”
http://marriage.about.com/od/finances/a/marriagepenalty.htm
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:56 am
“It was the bigget thing to happen to SS since it came about.. but hardly anyone reported it?”
That’s because he and other journalists had their hands full with the Emanuel daily news feeds. They had to protect their messiah from the evils of the white people of America.
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
9:56 am
“Other than the Dead
Bruno has great taste in tunes
which is why he rocks”
Alright, USinUK, you got me on that one!
Since you weren’t here last Friday night, here’s a nice Bill Withers song dedicated to you and your hubby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYi7uEvEEmk
“A Lovely Day”
For SC and his wife also ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kamchak
March 30th, 2010
9:56 am
Eeeeewwwww—I smell turd lemonade.
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
9:57 am
Bruno
That’s an interesting story. I don’t agree with it wholeheartedly, but it does raise some interesting points. I’ve seen both sides of the coin. I know people who are not married that have kids. They’re raising them as a family unit, however they have no urge to get married. I also know people who have kids where the DNA donor is a dead-beat. I think the problem is far more complex than many want to believe, and there is no simple solution to fix it.
What has to happen is an inner-revolution of sorts. Integration did to Blacks what no amount of Jim Crow could ever do. It broke the drive for success for some. Prior to integration, Blacks were doctors, lawyers, cab drivers, and even nannies. You had the “Black Wall Street” area of Greenwood in Tulsa, OK and other areas like it. Now those things are still present, but not in the same abundance as before.
I could go on and on about this, but this isn’t the time or forum.
Doggone/GA
March 30th, 2010
9:57 am
“We need to do a much better job of educating our children on how to handle that moment”
I wouldn’t argue that, but it’s not always a matter of consent. Plus, even the best birth control methods can fail. Plus, the woman’s circumstances, health, mental health, etc. can change.
Here’s the question I always pose, and to which I have never gotten a workable answer: if the issue is saving the lives of children, how would YOU go about FORCING a woman to carry her pregnancy to term?
But, know this also, that if you wouldn’t do that…but you WOULD punish her for her decision to abort the foetus, then you, TOO, are a “pro-choice” person…you would just reserve the right to inflict punishment on the woman for making a choice with which you disagree.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:57 am
“wow … so, they’re educating girls to take care of themselves if they become sexually active???
and you think that’s a BAD thing, do you??? ”
Reality escapes you UK.
“yeah, let’s give them more of that “just say no” crap – because that’s working out SO well, with rising STD and teen pregnancy rates …”
Yep, condoms worked well in Africa, eh!
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:58 am
“Maybe we’re just not that into you.”
UK is. Otherwise she’d ignore me. But then again, I’m not into smelly Europeans who bathe on a monthly basis.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 30th, 2010
10:00 am
So when the Republicans agree with the sentiment shared by most Black Democrats, the Republicans are attacked like this.
I guess the democrats are really particular about who is allowed on that plantation. Looks like your plantation population is starting to see how it works.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:01 am
Health care law too costly, most say
Obama’s approval rating was 47%-50% — the first time his disapproval rating has hit 50%.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-29-health-poll_N.htm
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
10:01 am
who dat – “Reality escapes you UK”
not really – however, intelligent debate seems to be beyond you if that’s the best you can come up with (oh, that and “imaginary friends” …??? what are you – 8???)
and, as for africa, where RAPE is endemic and myths have been created that raping younger and younger virgins will cure AIDS, you’re comparing apples and chalkboards.
normally, I’d say “nice try”, but that doesn’t really apply here …
stands for decibels
March 30th, 2010
10:03 am
Who dat, it’s here in their annual report:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf
Page 8.
stands for decibels
March 30th, 2010
10:03 am
Oops. Wrong link, that was the 2007 report.
try again.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
10:04 am
Bruno – 9:56 – LOVE that song!! (it’s just made for sunny sunday afternoons, pootling around with the windows rolled down)
seriously. get the movie. get it! GET IT!
stands for decibels
March 30th, 2010
10:04 am
NIFfy! you still think PPA is a for profit corporation?
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
10:04 am
NIF
I haven’t seen people describe abortion as genocide until recently in the news. Most people I know are silently pro-life but refuse to get involved with the politics and posturing of the protest groups. At the same time, we don’t castigate those who choose to end their pregnacies either.
jt
March 30th, 2010
10:05 am
Official Federal Government Food Stamp Guide. If TWO incomes are considered, you usually aren’t eligible for anything. This is called subsidizing fatherless families. I guess the INTENTIONS were good. That is all that counts.
Household Size Amount
1 $176
2 $323
3 $463
4 $588
5 $698
6 $838
7 $926
8 $1,058
Each Additional Member
+132
Soothsayer
March 30th, 2010
10:05 am
The growth of the U.S. trade deficit with China since that country entered the World Trade Organization in 2001 has had a devastating effect on U.S. workers and the domestic economy. Between 2001 and 2008, 2.4 million U.S. jobs were lost or displaced. Using a new model, the study by the Economic Policy Institute reveals a first-ever look at how the growing trade deficits cost jobs in every Congressional District, including the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.
This site has an interactive map showing job losses for all 50 states and DC and Puerto Rico.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:06 am
“not really – however, intelligent debate seems to be beyond you if that’s the best you can come up with (oh, that and “imaginary friends” …??? what are you – 8???)”
Nope, just sinking to your level. You threw stones so I threw an anvil. Nice try on trying to play the victim. Throw stones and cry uncle. No, that’s not the best I can come up with, but if I did I’d probably get banned.
“and, as for africa, where RAPE is endemic and myths have been created that raping younger and younger virgins will cure AIDS, you’re comparing apples and chalkboards.”
Yep, every single case of AIDS is due to rape….. Facts and data please. Aids has been around in Africa for decades and NOT because of rape alone.
GoingBroke
March 30th, 2010
10:06 am
Planned Parenthood should change it’s name to “After the Fact”.. as that’s when most people figure they have an STD and or are pregnant.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:07 am
“Oops. Wrong link, that was the 2007 report.”
Um, where’s their 2009 annual report?
joan
March 30th, 2010
10:08 am
“honest politician” is an oxymoron. I agree with you on this one Jay. This is idiocy. Why abort babies of people who can care for and want babies? If people don’t want them, can’t care for them, abort them. End of story.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:09 am
USinUK
1 in 6 Americans has an STD. Is this from men raping women? Something tells me you’ll blame evil white people AND call me stupid.
GoingBroke
March 30th, 2010
10:10 am
Soothsayer
March 30th, 2010
10:05 am
I thought all the jobs went to Mexico?
Southern Comfort
March 30th, 2010
10:10 am
Bruno
Thanks for that Withers tune. I thought about you the other day at work. We were talking about different groups and somebody brought up BT Express. I kinda chuckled and was singing their music the rest of the day. If you have TV1, they have a series that comes on Monday nights that’s like behind the music. I got the chance to see their piece on Rose Royce and part of one they did on Sylvester. It comes on at 9pm.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:11 am
“Planned Parenthood should change it’s name to “After the Fact””
Here are a list of better names:
1: Babies Aren’t Us!
2: Garbage Pail Kids
3: Trailer Trash
4: Back alley babes
5: The Termanata’z
AmVet
March 30th, 2010
10:12 am
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
9:32 am
“If you think Vets are stupid, you and I have a big problem.”
Stupid no, just posers if you disagree with them.
Who dat?
March 29th, 2010
5:14 pm
“No but I can spot a person posing as a soldier from my computer chair.”
Repulsive, but I’ve experienced it, along with numerous other vets, here more than occasionally.
Support the Troops…
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
10:13 am
“Prior to integration, Blacks were doctors, lawyers, cab drivers, and even nannies. You had the “Black Wall Street” area of Greenwood in Tulsa, OK and other areas like it. Now those things are still present, but not in the same abundance as before.”
SC–Greatly appreciate your intelligent debate. It’s a shame so many here have nothing to offer other than mindless insults.
The breakdown of the family is across the board, of course, but the concentration in the black community has been devastating in terms of child poverty. I agree with you that the statistics may be somewhat skewed by folks living together without signing any papers, but it is still way out of whack.
Any one else here have anything to add?
FinnMcCool
March 30th, 2010
10:13 am
For a day like this: Mr. Blue Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Ncxw1xfck
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
10:14 am
who dat – “You threw stones so I threw an anvil”
awwwwww … diddums was sad so started throwing his toys out of his pram because someone called you on the “weirdest post” comment … I guess I was being generous when I compared you to an 8-year old …
of course not every single case is due to rape, however estimate of 50% are: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264771
USinUK
March 30th, 2010
10:15 am
“Something tells me you’ll blame evil white people AND call me stupid.”
wow. those voices in your head are working overtime today …
up. your. dosage.
Bruno
March 30th, 2010
10:17 am
“(it’s just made for sunny sunday afternoons, pootling around with the windows rolled down)”
One of the best things about being married I miss is “Sunday Morning”. It just isn’t the same with Saturday night’s sleepover…..
“seriously. get the movie. get it! GET IT!”
I’m still trying to find a video store since the local shop was closed down by the state.
JDW
March 30th, 2010
10:18 am
Doggone at 9:57
“I wouldn’t argue that, but it’s not always a matter of consent”
If consent to sex was not present then I think the choice should be entirely up to the woman involved.
“if the issue is saving the lives of children, how would YOU go about FORCING a woman to carry her pregnancy to term?”
As I said earlier, given the way our society has evolved it would be almost impossible to completely end the practice. However, we should be able to educate our people that abortion should not be considered as an option except in the most dire of circumstances. To fix this issue we need to stop both sides from beating on their chests and agree that the practice is not a preferable solution and work to minimize it. If the practice should ever become illegal then it is not a question of force, it is a question of obeying the law or suffering the consequences.
“But, know this also, that if you wouldn’t do that…but you WOULD punish her for her decision to abort the fetus, then you, TOO, are a “pro-choice” person…you would just reserve the right to inflict punishment on the woman for making a choice with which you disagree”
So long as the practice is legal there should be not punishment. Should the practice ever become illegal then appropriate punishment should be involved. At the point the practice is illegal then it is not a decision which I disagree it is a violation of the law.
Who dat?
March 30th, 2010
10:18 am
AmVet
Went to Oahu last week. Spent an entire day at Pearl Harbor. Teared up many times and especially when I went to see the Arizona. Watched a video of a few Vets who were there fighting the day Pearl Harbor was bombed. Something I’ll always be proud of visiting. I stood where the Japanese surrendered and walked all around the Missouri. Toured the Bowfish and spent a lot of time taking pictures of everything. I hold veterans in the highest regard and thank them when I see them. In airports, out and about or elsewhere.