On health-care reform, money talks, bull-oney walks

The passage of health-care reform marks the transition of the United States from a capitalist to a socialist economy, and is destined to hasten the financial collapse of this once proud and great nation.

Or so the rhetoric on the right would describe it. It is “Armageddon” and will “ruin our country,” as House Minority Leader John Boehner has claimed.

Yet as we all know, talk is cheap. What is the verdict of those with real skin in the game, those who have invested vast amounts of money in the previously capitalistic system and are about to see those fortunes, along with economic liberty, snatched away from them by government? These are the people most sensitive to change, the students of the game who will suddenly shift billions of dollars from one place to another in response to the slightest hint of change in the economic winds.

How have they responded to the onslaught of Armageddon and the abandonment of capitalist principles?

Yawn.

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Last Friday, the Dow closed at 10,741. Health-insurance reform became political reality over the weekend, and yesterday the the Dow closed at 10,837, a gain of almost 100 points. The Wall Street Journal reports that stock futures are up this morning as well.

In fact, the Dow charts tell an interesting tale. On Jan. 20, the day we all woke up to find that Scott Brown had won the special election in Massachusetts and that health-insurance reform was seemingly doomed, the Dow began an 800-point decline. It began to recover in early February, about the time that the Obama administration renewed its push for reform, and since then it has risen almost 1,000 points.

I’m not for a minute linking that rise to the improved prospects for health reform. An awful lot of things have been going in the global economy, and it would be foolish to attribute a 10 percent market rise to what is in truth one relatively minor factor among many.

Instead, it is enough to point out that those with fortunes on the line, those trained to be exquisitely sensitive to economic trends, apparently believe that the foundations of American capitalism and finance remain solid.

Money talks, bull-oney walks.

240 comments Add your comment

Normal

March 26th, 2010
8:53 am

Jay,
A while back I asked you if a health care bill was a good thing. You said yes, not perfect, but a good first step, i think.
Do you still feel that way?

Call it like it is.

March 26th, 2010
8:55 am

Jay’s blogs………….Yawn

Jay

March 26th, 2010
8:56 am

Hi all:

On that previous post, I deleted what I thought was an early draft of the Gingrich piece that I started here at home and later finished at the office. I didn’t realize that deleting the early draft would delete the final piece as well.

My apologies once again. We will endeavor to persevere.

Oscar M. Ayers

March 26th, 2010
8:57 am

You mock me.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
8:57 am

meh – it’s the same bag o’ tricks they use on everything … “if the Dems win the house, Wall Street will collapse! if the Dems win the White House, Wall Street will collapse!”

blahblahlbha … the party of no ideas strikes again …

Jay

March 26th, 2010
8:57 am

Yes Normal, I do.

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
8:59 am

We will endeavor to perseverepreserve.

There. Fixed that for ya.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
8:59 am

Thanks, Jay.

Mick

March 26th, 2010
9:02 am

Healthcare and socialism are not strange bedfellows and thats the problem, trying to get one withouth the other. Perception is reality and this fight has left all exhausted. Let’s move on to bank reform and jobs, jobs, jobs..

Lord Help Us

March 26th, 2010
9:03 am

…and so goes another round of extremist rhetoric…with no consequences for those that have shamelessly trumpeted, ‘armageddon,’ ‘government takeover of healthcare,’ ‘death panels,’ etc.

The sheep that listen to the purveyors of that nonsense apparently expect no better, and will wait obediently for their next set of talking points to parrot, embellish and echo (ditto’s, I guess).

If their followers expect no better, the GOP will continue its self-inflected marginalization.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:05 am

USinUK,

And if Democrats win – dogs and cats will start living together!!! OH NOOOOOSSSS!!!

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:06 am

Jay,

You need to get on the ball with these new threads, I was forced to comment over at Tucker’s blog just cause – well, I gotta post.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
9:07 am

Bosch,
“well, I gotta post.”

I think they have a 12 step program for that….

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:08 am

Normal,

:-)

Eh, 12 step programs are for babies.

FinnMcCool

March 26th, 2010
9:08 am

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
9:08 am

Normal

March 26th, 2010
9:08 am

Mick

March 26th, 2010
9:02 am

Well said, Mick.

AmVet

March 26th, 2010
9:09 am

I was gonna wait until this evening to bring this one out. (I’ll likely reprise it then.)

For The Party of Doom…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FT4FprxDg

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
9:09 am

Could be…then again economies are cyclical…spend, spend, spend, pay, pay, pay, Sherla/berla, etc. Not much difference at this point as whats done is done and anyway the market keeps making me MO MONEY, MO MONEY, MO MONEY!!!

Dividend checks arrive next week…How sweet it is!!

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
9:10 am

Remember one thing Bosch.

“Rehab is for Quitters”.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:12 am

AmVet,

I miss Doom, but for some reason I think he’s still here.

Citizen of the World

March 26th, 2010
9:14 am

The Republican’s insistence that “it’s the end of the world as we know it” is just a way to rally its base and scare them into being more patriotic, jingoistic, defensive and aggressive. They’ve always known what recent scientific studies have shown — that some people are more physiologically highly responsive to threat (scary cats) and that tendency is a pretty reliable predictor of political persuasion.

What’s ironic is that they are more than willing to spend gazillions of dollars to “keep us safe” and “save lives” under threat from outside enemies but want to pinch pennies when it comes to health care reform. Don’t they realize that there are more ways beside wars and arms build-ups to keep us safe and save lives?

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:15 am

Ok, Blog God – sorry for the r-word.

Outhouse,

For real. I wonder if Sandra Bullock’s husband is gonna go into “Oh SH*T I’m so busted so I gotta go into rehab for something” rehab. I think going into rehab claiming to be addicted to sex is just plain rid-ik-u-lous. I mean, hell, aren’t we all?

Scout

March 26th, 2010
9:16 am

Frog in the kettle, Jay ………….. frog in the kettle.

jt

March 26th, 2010
9:16 am

Obligatory Factual Nag-

Fidel Castro had to seek medical help outside of his progressive utopia.

Basically had to get his butt rebuilt a few years ago.

Just saying.

FinnMcCool

March 26th, 2010
9:17 am

Citizen is quite right, the Republicans can easily get their followers on the same page and into a group tizzy. Democrats can’t pull it off as easily.

More critical thinkers on the left than on the right.

Mick

March 26th, 2010
9:17 am

Normal – thanks

Outhouse – The party starts a 3pm today, I think I just might buy a book..

NowReally

March 26th, 2010
9:17 am

Yeah, blogs are definitely addictive. I’m on a read “blogs” only day and will not post again.

jt

March 26th, 2010
9:17 am

Where would Obama go?

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:18 am

Citizens of the World,

“is just a way to rally its base and scare them into being more patriotic, jingoistic, defensive and aggressive. They’ve always known what recent scientific studies have shown — that some people are more physiologically highly responsive to threat (scary cats) and that tendency is a pretty reliable predictor of political persuasion. ”

That reminded me of this snippet from Bowling from Columbine – I think there is alot of truth to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh6Ap9ldTs

And I think the tendency to be scared also has alot to do with a person’s religious perspective.

mike

March 26th, 2010
9:19 am

Yeah, those Wall Street types never fall for a flawed model. Take Enron for example. Wall Street did not buy the mathematical spin job so they did not drive Enron’s stock price into the stratosphere. Respected financial journals did not speak of Enron’s vast upside. Enron was also not proven to be a house of cards and it did not go bankrupt.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am

NowReally,

Isn’t that like an alcoholic saying, “I’m only gonna drink beer today.” :-)

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am

I’m just waiting to see how long it takes the Congressional Republicans to start taking credit for passing the healthcare legislation.

FinnMcCool

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am

Citizen I think you are mis-reading the Republicans on wanting to keep us safe militarily. They want to keep themselves safe militarily so they are willing to spend on wars and security. They don’t give a rats patootee about anyone else.

Likewise, they already have health insurance so they don’t want to spend any money on that. They don’t give a rats patootee about anyone else.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:21 am

I still don’t understand why y’all insist on calling this bill “reform”. It doesn’t do anything to lower premiums. Obama lied and insurance still went up! Hope everyone enjoys their insurance premiums this time next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:21 am

Frog in the kettle? Is that like Skip to my loo?

md

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Jay is correct, the hc bill/program is but one piece to the puzzle. But, that puzzle currently has a 14 trillion dollar debt, which is rising. CBO projects roughly 1 trillion deficits for each of the next 10 years:

http://www.cbo.gov/

Historical data on every other “entitlement” program indicates there is a very good chance the cbo numbers will be too low. Projections also show SS and medicaid/care in trouble ( but don’t worry, they are just pieces also)

At 24 trillion in 2010 (odds have it higher), I ask those on here – where is the point of no return?

Individuals have credit limits, and tend to go bankrupt if not maintained, while our misfits just raise the limit with a wave of their magic wand. And this isn’t about “sides”, both sides played the game that got us here, the question is what is going to be done about it.

What many don’t seem to grasp, as a “piece” of the puzzle, if the puzzle collapses, so does hc. Then the 20/30 million uninsured will seem paultry in comparison.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin....

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Yeah, this coming from the same people who said at this time last year, the stock market was not a good indicator of economic health, hahaha, aahhh, the winds, they do blow in the changes-

So, in two days, we have two major companies — major American employers — who between the two of them will have a quarter billion dollars less with which to pay employees, invest in new plant and equipment, spend on advertising and marketing, pay dividends to shareholders, and broadly contribute to the American economy.

um, you know what I mean?

Times that by a thousand and you are getting close.

The largest tax increase in history, regardless of what the socialists and their media stooges want you to believe.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am
I’m just waiting to see how long it takes the Congressional Republicans to start taking credit for passing the healthcare legislation.

Just as soon as they get back to their home State…

Whacks Eloquent

March 26th, 2010
9:23 am

or like “Cat’s in the Cradle”?

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
9:24 am

JPMorgan, Lehman, UBS Named as Conspirators in Muni Bid-Rigging .

It looks like the threads of socialism run pretty deep throughout capitalism, American-style. I think they call it corporatism though… with a smathering of fascism thrown in for good measure. And the best place to hide it is in plain sight, right. Ooh look, a duckey. And if that doesn’t work, put the likes of a Glenn Beck to work, pointing that little finger in every direction except in the proper direction — inward. All is done for the good of the Corporation.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
9:25 am

“Just as soon as they get back to their home State…”

Sounds about right to me!

md

March 26th, 2010
9:26 am

should be 24 in 2020

Soothsayer

March 26th, 2010
9:27 am

Good morning all. As important as health-care reform is, I wanted to share an article that I ran across a week or so back. When I read it I was startled by this paragraph: [T]he IEA estimates that output from existing fields will drop by almost two-thirds by 2030. The world is counting on oil from BP’s deep-water wells, from Canada’s oil sands, from Venezuela’s tough-to-refine heavy oil deposits, and from new finds and increased production from fields in high-cost environments such as Siberia and the offshore Arctic.

In case you missed it. let me spell it out again [T]he IEA estimates that output from existing fields will drop by almost two-thirds by 2030. By the way 2030 is just 20 years from now.

I wonder how many of you can conceive what life would be like in the United States and the World with only 1/3 of the oil we have today?

Many (if not all) countries who now export oil will cease exports to keep their oil in reserve for their own countries.

Full-sized SUVs and pickup trucks will likely become museum pieces and in fact many will be living in them. All or very nearly all fossil fuel vehicles will likely become obsolete.

Electric cars are currently not an alternative unless a new battery can be developed. This is because there is not enough Lithium to make batteries for all the cars that need them.

As the price of oil becomes prohibitive and people switch to compressed natural gas, the price of natural gas will skyrocket making it astronomically expensive to heat your home.

Many of the foods we enjoy in our supermarkets will no longer be affordable because of the cost of shipping from places like California, Mexico and Florida. Indeed, the price of fertilizer will skyrocket pushing the price of “store-bought” food out of reach of many.

Manufacturing will return to the U.S. as the cost of shipping will far outweigh the cost savings of labor arbitrage. In fact corporations will have to locate manufacturing near metropolitan areas. That is smaller plants near each major market.

Conflicts will break out over the last remaining “supergiant” reserve, the Caspian Sea.

Many of us wrongly assume that oil is our birthright and that it will never run out. This is a fallacy. “When you are thirsty, it’s too late to dig a well.” Surely, our mainstream media wants to lull us into a sense of complacency. Instead we need to be using what remains of fossil fuels producing a new, sustainable energy for the United States and the World.

The only energy source with the remotest possbility of replacing fossil fuels is solar.

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
9:27 am

Ya…hopefully Jesse J doesnt claim that “I need help” whiney mantra.

I think Tiger just did it because his wife probably insisted.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:28 am

Peadawg,

Some of us aren’t under the delusion that this bill will lower premiums — it is more insurance reform than health care reform, but if I had my way, health insurance companies would go the same route as vinyl records and 8-tracks.

mike,

After our discussion last night about insurance companies – I thought about what I wrote, and I don’t think all insurance companies are outdated, one in particular I’m quite fond of right now is home owners insurance. If we could save enough to replace our homes, then I don’t see a need for it, but few people can do that – but it’s a tangible object that you know how much you will need in order to replace it. With your health – you are at the mercy of circumstance and unlike home owners insurance, which you may or may not need – everyone will get sick eventually and need some kind of medical attention. So, again, I see no point in continuing to pay for something when it has absolutely nothing to do with caring for the sick – health insurance companies do nothing to care for the sick and I think should be phased out because they are responsible for a huge amount of the cost of health care.

Anywho……just another reflection of the day.

Citizen of the World

March 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Peadawg, premiums were going to go up no matter what. That has been pretty much a given. At least this way, more people will have coverage. Don’t you want your friends, neighbors and family members to be able to have health insurance?

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Perhaps all our blog “Corp Haters” if employed by “Corps” should resign their positions immediately. No? See how that works out for ya!

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:31 am

Outhouse,

I think Tiger did it because his wife was gonna beat the hell out of him, and it’s like a temporary safehouse.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:31 am

Citizen of the World, then why did Obama and Skeletor lie to the American people? They kept saying premiums will go down. They’ll go up even higher under this bill. I just wish more people realized this.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Finn –

thanks for the link (didn’t think to look in the opinion section!) … the sad thing is that I have more of a chance of winning the Nobel Prize for Baking before Lib Dems EVER win a majority in Parliament …

what they’re downplaying right now is the opportunity they’re facing to be kingmakers (which is the right way to play it) – I can’t see them joining a coalition with Labour, but I REALLY can’t see them joining a coalition with the Tories unless they receive promises about benefits …

If I had a vote, the Tories would probably get it, even though I think Cameron is a bit on the weasely side … he’s still a helluva lot better than the Worst Chancellor Ever that Brown was …

jconservative

March 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Interesting exercise Mr Goodman.

My thought on the growth of the American socialist economy is how can awarding a potential 30 million customers to private enterprise increase socialism?

The safest investment for the long term today is health care insurance companies.

We have been a socialist society for over 75 years now. Roosevelt started it and it has been continued and expanded by the likes of Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 43 and now Obama. Please notice that there are 3 Democrats & 3 Republicans listed as primary movers; this has been a bi-partisan effort.

Bismarck must be a happy soul, virtually the entire world is socialist to some degree.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:33 am

Whacks,

Or the cow jumped over the moon?

Janitor

March 26th, 2010
9:33 am

VERNON, Vt. — Officials at Vermont’s only nuclear power plant say they’ve stopped a leak of a radioactive substance and are starting to clean up the groundwater.

The Vermont Yankee tritium leak reported Jan. 7 was from two pipes in a concrete tunnel. Water carrying tritium seeped into soil and groundwater because of a clogged drain.

It’s all cleaned up now. It was just a little spill.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
9:34 am

“Peadawg, premiums were going to go up no matter what”

He knows that. He’s been told hundreds of times, if not thousands. Goes in one ear and out the other, after all…if he paid attention to it he’d lose his only talking point on the subject.

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
9:35 am

With a golf club no less…LOL.

Paul

March 26th, 2010
9:35 am

Jay

Are you asking us to recreate all the posts that were deleted, ’cause you know we’d sure like to help you out!

[[It is “Armageddon” and will “ruin our country,”]]

Didn’t both sides say essentially the same thing about our current system, if allowed to continue with no reforms?

Lord Help Us

[[and so goes another round of extremist rhetoric…with no consequences for those that have shamelessly trumpeted]]

One can also say the same thing for those posting during Pres Bush’s terms – all the extremist rhetoric about subverting freedom, imposing a fascist state, and on and on and on and on…. No consequences there, either. Just flowery rhetoric from impassioned protestors.

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Lot of discussion yesterday about “this is the first time gov’t required us to……” or “this is the first time our freedom has been….” and then we went around with examples.

Upon further reflection, I have to answer all those objections with “So?” Or maybe “Not in concept, it isn’t” would be nicer.

We’ve had plenty of examples of what some will see as limits on their freedom. Are they? Depends on how you look at it. The People, through the government, has told us what we cannot do with our property. No dumping of toxic substances. No discharge of raw sewage. All limits on property rights. Gov’t forced us to buy safety equipment for our vehicles. Seat belts. Air bags. People bought it, even though they never used it. Examples go on and on.

So if the argument is, this is the first time the gov’t has required me to buy an insurance policy (which is about the only counter example available) I have to say “So?” or “yeah, it is. Somethings gotta be first in that category. No different than making you buy a low-flow toilet instead of the Flush-o-Matic Blaster 500XL that uses 27 gallons per flush that you really, really wanted.”

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More things I don’t like about the health care reforms:

Stopping of denial for preexisting conditions doesn’t begin for months. Just had a baby born locally, the blood vessels carrying blood to and from the heart/lungs were reversed. Baby’s newborn. Parents had two kids with insurance, parents didn’t have on themselves (cost issue) and Blue Cross Blue Shield refused coverage for the days-old baby because he had a pre-existing condition.

Next thing is, the fine for no coverage is a joke. It’s like a parent telling a teen “if you bust curfew, you’ll be grounded for a whole ten minutes!!!!

If you’re going to have a penalty, make it count.

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:35 am

I see WellPoint is up $.09 today to $63.67…up from $35.73 a year ago…+78% seems a good return on Armageddon…

Whacks Eloquent

March 26th, 2010
9:35 am

Soothsayer @ 9:27

I think wind power is viable too…but the stinkin’ NIMBYs keep blocking it! I’d personally be proud to have a wind farm off my shoreline (not that GA has much of one, or one that a wind farm that would be much good on).

I would like to see President Obama push alternative energy further. But Cap & Trade was a joke, we need legislation that focuses on future technologies, not ways to just appease our consciences with carbon trading. And please, somebody get real and expose the scam and waste of exportable food that ethanol is…

md

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

“Don’t you want your friends, neighbors and family members to be able to have health insurance?”

Always onesided – please remember to include the thugs, crooks, and gangs – especially the gangs. So glad we could do our part to insure them after their daily rumbles – just hope they remember to grab that insurance card when they grab their weapons.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Doggone, I get it. But the fact is that the POTUS LIED to the American people. Many times. Over and over on camera.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

jewcowboy – 9:35 – MOST stocks are way up from a year ago …

jt

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

“Money talks, bull-oney walks.”

Obama embraces both.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Peadawgn,

“then why did Obama and Skeletor lie to the American people?”

Not sure who Skeletor is – is that the head of the death panels? But do you believe everything a politician says? I don’t. If they had implemented a single payer system, I’d have said, yes, the premiums would go down because I see that as the only way to get costs down, and they tried and failed on the key part.

So, as it stands now, no I don’t think premiums will go down, but there will better availability – again, it’s a start, not my preference, but a start.

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Bosch,

“And if Democrats win – dogs and cats will start living together!!!”

And will be forced to gay marry each other…

FinnMcCool

March 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Thanks US, that adds to my understanding of the situation.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:37 am

md – 9:36 – you’re paying for them one way or another, you know.

Citizen of the World

March 26th, 2010
9:37 am

Even though it’s off topic, Soothsayer’s post does highlight our next important imperative: energy policy reform. We are nearing peak oil and China’s coal consumption at its current pace will soon exhaust that non-renewable resource. We’ve got to start working now toward policies that promote energy conservation and alternative energies. Onward and upward!

Wonder if Republicans are going to want to sweep this problem under the rug as well?

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:38 am

“Frog in the kettle, Jay ………….. frog in the kettle.”

Frog soup…yuck.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:40 am

jewcowboy,

Worse than gay marriage (I know, I know – IS there ANYTHING worse than gay marriage) – inter-species marriage. EWwwwww. :-)

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:40 am

USinUK,

“MOST stocks are way up from a year ago …”

Sooo…investors like socialism? ;)

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

“But the fact is that the POTUS LIED to the American people”

SO WHAT?!

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

Thought of the day – If you don’t want to get pooped on, don’t be an outhouse. :roll:

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

Bosch,

Inter-species gay marriage to a glowing Boehner?

getalife

March 26th, 2010
9:42 am

Rahm you magnificent bas tard.

Well played sir and much respect is due.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
9:43 am

I like wind power too, but sometimes I have to lower the mast and push my pick up under a low bridge,

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
9:43 am

jewcowboy,

:lol:

I think I need another cup o’ coffee.

Citizen of the World

March 26th, 2010
9:44 am

md @ 9:36, did you catch my post at 9:14? Your worry about thugs, crooks and gangs instead of family, friends and neighbors kind of proves my point.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:44 am

jewcowboy – “Sooo…investors like socialism?”

historically speaking, the stock and bond markets always perform well when Dems are in charge

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

Paul

March 26th, 2010
9:44 am

Enter your comments here

History guy

March 26th, 2010
9:44 am

i>Bismarck must be a happy soul, virtually the entire world is socialist to some degree.

Bismark? You must be thinking of some other Prussian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Socialist_Laws

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:45 am

Bosch, go here:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/30/129013781780750239.jpg

The comparison is frightening. Skeletor is a cartoon bad guy from like the 80s or early 90s.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
9:45 am

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

and one of lifes lessons…never, EVER, throw a lit cigarette down the outhouse hole!

Chris

March 26th, 2010
9:45 am

Jay,

Will you consider writing about the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act (SAFRA) that passed yesterday? It’s not getting the press it deserves, and as Joe Biden would say, it’s a big #&*$ing deal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/us/politics/26loans.html?ref=us

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:45 am

““But the fact is that the POTUS LIED to the American people”

ohferchrissakes … until rates have gone up, he has NOT lied to the American people.

get a frickin grip.

getalife

March 26th, 2010
9:46 am

Pelosi, Clinton celebrate Women’s History Month, even as they make history, too:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032504598.html?hpid=topnews

As the cons heads explode.

Scout

March 26th, 2010
9:46 am

Bosch/jewcowboy:

You know what that means. You can’t trick people all at once………. they catch on and won’t put up with it ……… so you just move the lemmings along a little at a time until you get what you want. You just wear them down.

The “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” issue is a perfect example. I could name many others …………

First: No “openly” gay people in the military
Then : “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (Clinton)
Then: “We’re Having a Study” (Obama)
Then: “We’re softening the policy pending the study” (Gates)

Get the picture?

This new health care thing is just one more degree up for the old frog in that kettle. One day it will be too hot for us to jump out and we will be boiled.

Now, I would like to stay and play but I must go for awhile …………. you’all be nice.

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:47 am

Here is a new guide to help politicians:

The “Straight” Politicians Guide to Managing Your Gay Crisis

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Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:47 am

“So, as it stands now, no I don’t think premiums will go down, but there will better availability – again, it’s a start, not my preference, but a start.”

Raising premiums faster and higher than before…I wouldn’t exactly call that a start. But whatever.

Scout

March 26th, 2010
9:47 am

P.S.

I meant to say “boiled in our socialist soup” !

Two Cents

March 26th, 2010
9:48 am

Citizen, we already know the Republicans’ answer to independence from foreign oil, don’t we?
“Drill, baby, drill!”
They offered no answers for health care reform other than “No, I don’t want to!” Why do we think they’ll come up with any other ideas on any other problems in our country that have been left to worsen over the last decade?
I only wish they would take their toys and go home.

md

March 26th, 2010
9:49 am

“md – 9:36 – you’re paying for them one way or another, you know.”

Just guessing here, but I doubt they spend much time at the doctor, but now they get a freebie, so you can guarantee they’ll be certain to abuse it.

We need to let the predators of society take each other out – I’ll gladly contribute for their burial.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:50 am

“ohferchrissakes … until rates have gone up, he has NOT lied to the American people.

get a frickin grip.”

“Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.”

The evidence would basic math. You’ll see. Come back next year and I’ll say, “I told you so”

jewcowboy

March 26th, 2010
9:51 am

Scout,

I do like my frog soup with a little soft boiled socialism, and a gay soldier to share it with.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:51 am

md – “Just guessing here, but I doubt they spend much time at the doctor, but now they get a freebie, so you can guarantee they’ll be certain to abuse it”

do YOU go to the doctor for free on your insurance??

they’ll still be paying for doctor visits – co-pays and annual whatsits …

getalife

March 26th, 2010
9:51 am

He openly mocked the orange guy and his base is energized.

I think he earned a second term with this historic event.

Pace your hate cons.

There are many more years to be outraged.

TaxPayer

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Beans

Roller Skates

Strike anywhere

Yee Hawwwwwwwww!

Paul

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Bosch

[[Is that like Skip to my loo?]]

Good bladder control? Most people walk quickly to their loo.

{{re: Obama and Skeletor – who is Skeletor?]]

As I read that I immediately thought of Spkr Pelosi.

I just took the ‘whacked-out way to look at things’ crown from you!

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

peadawg – unless you can show that insurance rates have gone up more than the average rate over the last decade, you STILL would not have proven your point

md

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

“md @ 9:36, did you catch my post at 9:14? Your worry about thugs, crooks and gangs instead of family, friends and neighbors kind of proves my point.”

Don’t think so – I’m just pointing out the facts you so conveniently leave out. But I do understand why you wouldn’t want to mess up your painting – all the flowery crap you got on it – adding a little reality wouldn’t make it as pretty.