OK, I admit it. I was wrong about Obama.

Back in May, I noted that Barack Obama was setting up a high-risk test of will and strength with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the issue of settlements. It was, I wrote, a test that Obama dared not lose so early in his presidency.

As Secretary of State Clinton described it at the time, Obama “wants to see a stop to settlements — not some settlements, not outposts, not ‘natural growth’ exceptions. We think it is in the best interests [of the peace process] that settlement expansion cease. That is our position. That is what we have communicated very clearly. … And we intend to press that point.”

But settlements continued, with little U.S. response. By November, in a piece headlined “Obama failed to back up tough talk in Middle East,” I wrote that the president had lost that test of wills:

“Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu in effect called Obama’s bluff, blithely ignoring the American pressure and continuing to expand settlements. Obama has been powerless to respond….

In truth, there hasn’t been much realistic hope of progress toward peace in the Middle East since the end of the Clinton administration, when the late Yasser Arafat walked away from the best deal the Palestinians were ever likely to see. But Obama’s decision to draw a line in the sand over settlements and then fail to back it up was a major mistake that set the cause of peace back even further.”

Today, I have to admit that was at the very least premature, and may in fact prove to have been flat out wrong. Handed an opportunity by Israel’s announcement of 1,600 new units in East Jerusalem, Obama has renewed the pressure, and he twisted the screws even tighter on Netanyahu during his recent visit to Washington.

The Israeli press, which is understandably more attuned to such things than its American counterparts, got the message pretty clearly. In a piece headlined “Netanyahu leaves U.S. disgraced, isolated and weaker,” Aluf Benn writes:

“Instead of a reception as a guest of honor, Netanyahu was treated as a problem child, an army private ordered to do laps around the base for slipping up at roll call.

The revolution in the Americans’ behavior is clear to all. On Sunday morning Obama was still anxiously looking ahead to the House of Representatives vote on health care – the last thing he wanted was a last-minute disagreement with congressmen over ties with Israel.

The moment the bill was passed, however, a victorious Obama was free to deal with his unruly guest.

The Americans made every effort to downplay the visit. As during his last visit in November, Netanyahu was invited to the White House at a late hour, without media coverage or a press conference. If that were not enough, the White House spokesman challenged Netanyahu’s observation at AIPAC that “Jerusalem is not a settlement.”

The Americans didn’t even wait for him to leave Washington to make their disagreement known. It was not the behavior Washington shows an ally, but the kind it shows an annoyance….

Netanyahu will need to work hard to rehabilitate his image, knowing full well that Obama will not relent, but instead demand that he stop zigzagging and decide, once and for all, whether he stands with America or with the settlers.”

Akiva Eldar, also in Haaretz, writes that Netanyahu has kept a keen eye on the American political calendar, hoping to deal with a weakened Obama:

“Netanyahu had been hoping to buy time until November’s Congressional elections, which coincide with the deadline he set for the settlement freeze. But with America’s strategic interest on the line, Bibi’s favorite political game (playing the Jewish community and Congress against the White House and the State Department) isn’t working anymore. Obama decided his moderate Middle East coalition is more important than Netanyahu’s extremist one. This is a point of no return.”

David Horovitz in the conservative Jerusalem Post comes to a similar conclusion:

“And yet Netanyahu headed home Thursday the near-ostracized victim of what he regards as the Obama administration’s wrongheadedness, and more deeply aware than ever of the extent of the rift. He left behind an administration, and most especially a president, angry and frustrated by what it regards as his stubbornness and misplaced priorities….

And with that yawning US-Israel divide comes the exacerbation of Israel’s international pariah status, an accompanying boost to Israel’s enemies and reinforcement for the cooling of ties by former friends. Would Britain have responded quite so publicly to its ostensible evidence of Israeli passport fakery, would other affected countries be investigating quite so assiduously, if it were publicly clear that the US and Israel stood shoulder-to-shoulder today as they did in the recent past?”

I don’t want to stretch the comparison too far — Israel and the United States are and should remain close friends and allies despite this tension — but the interplay between the tough, experienced Netanyahu and the fresh-faced Obama is a bit reminiscent of that between the tough Nikita Khrushchev and John F. Kennedy.

The Soviet leader thought he saw weakness in the new American president that could be exploited. In the Cuban Missile Crisis, he tried to do so, and found himself pitted against a tougher opponent than he had realized. In the end, it was Khrushchev who was forced to blink and pull the missiles out of Cuba.

This is a different case, of course, involving different people under different circumstances. But at the very least it seems safe to say that Netanyahu underestimated Obama’s tenacity, and is now being forced to reconsider both his course and his negotiating partner.

365 comments Add your comment

Gandalf, the White

March 26th, 2010
10:49 am

Gandalf, the White

March 26th, 2010
10:52 am

WE WILL BURY YOU!

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
10:52 am

Could this be the “Israel fizzle my shizzle” crisis?

Trapper John

March 26th, 2010
10:54 am

“I think its gonna Martini!!”

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
10:56 am

add that to the egg on their face over the British passport debacle and Bibi’s not having a good week.

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
10:59 am

“WASHINGTON TWP., NJ – A 16-year-old Atlantic County boy arrested after the racially tinged announcement at the Turnersville Wal-Mart this month did the same thing Dec. 28, police reported yesterday.

The youth, whose name has not been released because he is a juvenile, is now charged with two counts each of harassment and bias intimidation, Washington Township police said.”

Bias Intimidation? Really now. We must learn to stop the “Hate”. Infact it’s now imperative we begin to “Hate” the “Hate” and all things hateful about the “hate”. Yes…”hatred” of said “hate” is the only “hateful” way to proceed.

STOP “HAY-IN”

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2010
11:01 am

I think Obama paid a lot of attention to Sean Connery’s (actually David Mamet’s) advice, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o

Occasionally “the Chicago way” gets applied to practical matters. And I am absolutely fine with that.

Mick

March 26th, 2010
11:02 am

I have mixed feelings regarding israel. The people of israel are overall about the nicest and most welcoming of any country I’ve been to. Their current right wing gov’t is a problem for me and diplomatically netanyahu got what he deserved after the biden debacle. They are our petulant stepchild, but we love them none the less.

Mick

March 26th, 2010
11:03 am

I hate the word hate.

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:04 am

Netanyahu will ultimately have to decide whether to side with internal forces (the right wing) within Israel or external forces (the US)…Most likely he will choose to side with the internal forces…much to Israel detriment.

Paul

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

I’ll tag onto my comment downstairs and offer, perhaps Pres Obama sees that tough leverage will work with Israel, yet it will not with Iran? So with one he follows through and the other…. it continues to slide.

If so, that means we are facing serious, serious implications with Iran, especially given the Administration’s repeated statements on what is acceptable and what is not, and what ‘we will allow’ and what we will not.

So Netanyahu: put it back in Pres Obama’s lap. Stop the settlements. Be very, very public about it. Frame it as a test for America and the Palestinians and the Arab states. Say you are doing this in the interest of a lasting peace. Say you’re doing all you can to remove the impediments. Then tell the President it can move forward IF the Palestinians and Arab states are equally willing to take concrete actions. Now.

Game, set, and….

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

Bosch / Paul,

Your BSG chick is smokin – but January is even hotter…

http://www.tvpredictions.com/hotjonesjanuary.jpg

Pennsylvanian

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

jewcowbot? Viagra? If it’s not back to a y in 4 hours, call you doctor.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

“OK, I admit it. I was wrong about Obama.”

You’re not alone. A LOT of people will be saying that come 2012.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:08 am

“Most likely he will choose to side with the internal forces…much to Israel detriment”

meh – only if congress puts on its big-boy-pants and cuts aid. otherwise, the only thing that will be different is a few less photos from Bibi’s trip here.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:08 am

And before the smartarses come out to play…I mean A LOT of people will be disappointed in the job has done/will do.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:09 am

Peadawg – “You’re not alone. A LOT of people will be saying that come 2012″

if it’s too soon to be counting November chickens, you’re WAY too premature to be discussing 2012.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:09 am

And the Republicans will be laughing saying, “We told y’all so”!!!!!!!!!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:10 am

The chickens hatched this past Sunday. Where were you?

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
11:11 am

Mick, dont be “Hay-n” on the “hate”. True though…”hate” is so “Heightys”. We need a new “buzz” word.

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
11:12 am

Aid should be cut to the unwashed palestinians.

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:13 am

USinUK,

“only if congress puts on its big-boy-pants and cuts aid. ”

I think they may have found them on Monday…of course, they may shrink after wearing them for a while.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:13 am

peadawg – “The chickens hatched this past Sunday. Where were you?”

baaaaaaahahahahaha … now, that’s funny.

it’s a long waaaayyyy to Novemberrrrr
it’s a long waaaayyyy to gooooo …

seriously … with the economy on the rebound, as it is, I think that the GOP may be in for a rude awakening.

Outhouse GoKart

March 26th, 2010
11:14 am

jobless recovery.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:15 am

jewcowbot – “I think they may have found them on Monday”

gah – AIPAC is a much bigger dog to fight than healthcare.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:15 am

OGK – 11:14 – lagging indicator.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:15 am

“I think that the GOP may be in for a rude awakening.”

I think EVERYBODY may be in for a rude awakening once they see their premiums next January after “reform” is starting to come into affect.

Normal

March 26th, 2010
11:16 am

There are many, many American people out there who have bought into the myth of Armageddon and the “Rapture” and I believe Israel has been using this to their purpose. President Obama, Muslim or not (I think not)is not letting this myth sway him from what he knows is right. Like the Iseali’s did in 1946, the Palestinians deserve their own country. It is their right, too.

Chris

March 26th, 2010
11:18 am

This is great news.

The U.S. has literally allowed Israel to get away with murder, theft, and creating a nuclear arms threat in the Middle East. Americans believe that Israel has the right to exist (within its ‘67 borders) and to defend itself—not to make unwarranted land grabs, restrict freedoms, murder with impunity, and threaten nuclear holocaust if they don’t get their way.

Others will justify Israel’s land grabs as a necessary defense against terrorism. But they’re either uninformed, misinformed, or lying to themselves.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:18 am

peadawg – seriously, dude … let it go … going on and on about something that hasn’t happened really doesn’t reflect well on you

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:20 am

“peadawg – seriously, dude … let it go … going on and on about something that hasn’t happened really doesn’t reflect well on you”

It’s just funny that you still think your premiums will go down. If think really really hard, I know you can sweetheart, you may eventually see that nothing’s going to change.

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
11:21 am

Peadawg,

Dude. USinUK lives in the UK – her premiums ain’t gonna change.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:22 am

Peadawg – “It’s just funny that you still think your premiums will go down.”

and it’s just desperate that you keep clinging to this fallacy.

premiums ARE going to go up – the issue will be whether they increase above the 10- or 20-year average. if they spike above the odds, then you can crow. until then, you just look like someone who really doesn’t have anything to say, going on and on about something that hasn’t happened.

md

March 26th, 2010
11:23 am

Much like China and the US relying on each other, the same is true for Isreal and the US.

I doubt it would be wise to cut funding to the only nation in the area holding enough firepower and will to take on Iran. We are at their mercy, not the other way around.

And that funding we send……….helps pay for the big stick.

The Only Moderate

March 26th, 2010
11:23 am

Khrushchev agreed to publicly withdraw USSR’s missles from Cuba, because Kennedy promised to secretly withdraw USA missles from Turkey. Kennedy and the USA lost. What we lost was an advantage; so USSR’s gain brought back parity. But Kennedy didn’t win !!

If Iran or some other Arab/Muslim country destroys Israel with nuclear weapons while Obama is President, it would be the end of the Democratic Party; but I consider that too high a price to pay.

American Jews should have figured out 2 years ago that Barack Hussein Obama is descended from Sudanese Muslims, his stepfather was a Muslim, and he lived for several years in “the world’s most populous Muslim nation”. [sarcasm] What could possibly have brought US Israeli relations to this point?[/sarcasm]

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:24 am

“premiums ARE going to go up”

Thanks for admitting this. See, not hard is it? I knew you could do it.

md

March 26th, 2010
11:24 am

usuk,

Curious, you mentioned down stairs that your vote would go to the Tories. Are they not the conservatives of the UK?

getalife

March 26th, 2010
11:26 am

With the gop wanting to pay for everything, perhaps we should declare victory over aq, bring the troops home and let there be peace in the middle east.

The Israeli con needs a little push in that direction.

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:26 am

I Report :-) You Whine :-( Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 26th, 2010
11:27 am

Uh oh, we are at war-

SKOREAN SHIP SINKING, NORTH ATTACK SUSPECTED

Now the big question, will obozo be joining the South or the North, just asking….

Bosch

March 26th, 2010
11:27 am

Peadawg,

“Thanks for admitting this. See, not hard is it? I knew you could do it.”

She never said otherwise – it was your inaccurate assumption. Passive agressive does not suit you well.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:27 am

md – Tories are a different brand of conservatives than the GOP – they don’t get into the whole “gods/guns/gays” issues that the current Republican party does. And Labor? criminey, even *I* don’t go that far to the left. ;-)

unfortunately, Margaret Thatcher ruined the Tory name for at least another generation because of what she did with the coal industry and shipbuilding. that devastated entire regions of the country, and for that the Tory’s have been vilified.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:29 am

Peadawg – “Thanks for admitting this. See, not hard is it? I knew you could do it.”

seriously??? what are you, 8???

I’ve never said it wasn’t going to increase – the laws of inflation say that it will.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:30 am

jewcowbot, what about this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_india_chili_grenades

That’s pretty cool I think.

Farsider

March 26th, 2010
11:31 am

Netanyahu, taking his cues from his U.S. conservative counterparts, assumed Obama was weak. But the U.S./Israeli relationship didn’t get where it is at overnight; for many, many years Israel has deftly worked the special relationship to their own advantage. But there are two major developments. One you cited which is Obama’s new international clout thanks to passing his top domestic priority. The other explosive development was the Petraeus briefing http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/03/14/the_petraeus_briefing_biden_s_embarrassment_is_not_the_whole_story

The idea that Israeli intransigence regarding the Palestinians might be endangering American military lives & missions in the region is an entirely new element. Obama’s hand in dealing with Bibi has been strengthened in a big way.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:31 am

“I’ve never said it wasn’t going to increase”

Then what the heck were you arguing w/ me for on the other blog? Good grief.

” the laws of inflation say that it will.”

But…but…but…Obama said they would go down!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:31 am

Obama must not know the laws of inflation. Maybe you could come back over and take his place as POTUS?

Paul

March 26th, 2010
11:32 am

jewcowboy

Have to wait for SoCom to find out if the new scanners can see that or not. See, that’s the problem with relying on a strategy of constructing barriers (physical or procedural) to intercept a threat. History has shown – from the Great Wall to the Maginot Line to now – that someone always comes up with a new strategy or technology to defeat it.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:32 am

Peadawg – 11:31 – I never argued that prices weren’t going to increase – I think you have me confused with Doggone …

(easily done – we’re both gorgeous and smart…)

joan

March 26th, 2010
11:33 am

Obama has to treat Israel poorly. How else would a jihadist like he is behave? Maybe he thinks if he appeases Muslims by coming down hard on Israel, they will leave us alone in the United States, or at least Chicago.

Jay

March 26th, 2010
11:33 am

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:34 am

Peadawg,

1,000,000 Scoville units?! That is freakin hot!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:35 am

jewcowbot…jalepenos kill my stomach…and my toilet. I would hate to see what one of those things would do.

Jay

March 26th, 2010
11:35 am

Apparently, the “Obama is a Muslim” crowd has no conception whatsoever how crazy that talk makes them look to their fellow Americans whom they would like to swing to their side.

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:35 am

Paul,

“that someone always comes up with a new strategy or technology to defeat it.”

In this case a pair of ways to defeat it.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:36 am

Peadawg – I saw that story about the chili-grenade-bomb-thingy yesterday … criminey, it’s going to make WWI mustard gas look like a walk in the park!

md

March 26th, 2010
11:36 am

“History has shown – from the Great Wall to the Maginot Line to now – that someone always comes up with a new strategy or technology to defeat it.”

That is why it is always a matter of “when” instead of “if”.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:37 am

Jay – 11:35 – which is why I say – let ‘em rant!

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:37 am

Peadawg,

“jalepenos kill my stomach”

I used to eat them like candy…then I turned 35 and…let’s just say I found a new respect for Zantac.

md

March 26th, 2010
11:40 am

usinuk,

But are they not the farthest to the right party in the UK? I just find it interesting that a “liberal” would acknowledge that the left isn’t the way to go.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:40 am

“criminey, it’s going to make WWI mustard gas look like a walk in the park!”

I wonder how it compares to a Walter fart? ***Search Jeff Dunham*** Dunham is an excellent ventriloquist and freakin’ hilarious. If you’ve never heard up him, Peanut, Achmed the Dead Terrorist, Walter…you’re missing out!!!!!!!!

md

March 26th, 2010
11:42 am

Well USINUK, I’ve tried several times to respond to your last with simple questions and the internal hamster keeps eating it – I give up.

Paul

March 26th, 2010
11:42 am

Farsider

[[The idea that Israeli intransigence regarding the Palestinians might be endangering American military lives & missions in the region is an entirely new element. Obama’s hand in dealing with Bibi has been strengthened in a big way.]]

“United States General David Petraeus, head of U.S.Central Command (CENTCOM) whose area of responsibility includes Afghanistan and Iraq, set the record straight Wednesday regarding his statements about the Israeli-Arab conflict. In a talk given at St. Anselm College, Petraeus said that recent reports claiming he had blamed Israel for US military deaths were erroneous. ”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136731

And as far as what VP Biden said to Netanyahu:

“White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel told House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Virginia, Monday night that it’s not true that Vice President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel’s hardline position on building settlements in disputed territories is endangering the lives of US troop, as has been reported in the media, a White House official tells ABC News.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/03/rahm-to-cantor-biden-never-said-israels-actions-were-endangering-us-troops.html

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:43 am

Jay, can you release by 11:42 comment? Nothing bad in it…..

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:45 am

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
11:45 am

“Apparently, the “Obama is a Muslim” crowd has no conception whatsoever how crazy that talk makes them look to their fellow Americans whom they would like to swing to their side.”

“Insane people are always sure that they are fine. It is only the sane people who are willing to admit that they are crazy.” ~ Nora Ephron

@@

March 26th, 2010
11:46 am

Gah, jay, you remind me of the guys who gather around the after school fights….cheering on your chosen “gladiator”.

When Netanyahu returned to Israel Thursday night, he was greeted with signs reading “Obama, No You Can’t” and “Netanyahu Stand Strong.”–Jerusalem Post

M&C– Jerusalem – Many Jewish Israelis believe US President Barack Obama is pro-Palestinian, a poll published Friday by the Jerusalem Post showed.

The poll said 48 per cent regarded Obama as pro-Palestinian while 9 per cent saw him as pro-Israeli.

What’s even more interesting is what’s going on on the Indian border. Pakistan is, once again, redeploying their troops there. Seems they think Obama is showing favoritism to India in spite of Pakistan’s efforts to bring the terrorist under control.

A lot of things going on around the world…like Obama, you can only focus on one.

How to preempt oneself in one easy step

March 26th, 2010
11:47 am

And before the smartarses come out to play

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
11:47 am

“Apparently, the “Obama is a Muslim” crowd has no conception whatsoever how crazy that talk makes them look to their fellow Americans whom they would like to swing to their side.”

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Abe

March 26th, 2010
11:50 am

North or South. Don’t ask if you cannot handle the answer.

@@

March 26th, 2010
11:50 am

Oops! there you are jewcowboy.

Not stalking. Just point out the things you conveniently forget. You can’t claim you don’t do this or that, when, in fact, you do both.

Well you can, actually….you just can’t get away with so easily.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:51 am

md – okay, I’ve had 2 responses to you eaten by the bot

(DAMMIT JAY!!!)

we’re going to try this in chunks:

well, let’s be frank here – there’s left then there’s “oh, you have GOT to be kidding me” left. to me, labour is the latter variety. I’m more of a centrist – tough on crime and immigration, but would you stay the heck out of the bedroom and any discussions I have with my doctor, please?

Dusty

March 26th, 2010
11:52 am

Sooo, the President of the USA Barach Obama was rude, crude and unattractive to one of the few allies we have in the MidEast. He showed ‘em. And… Bookman is real proud.

Yeah, sure, great diplomacy move and display of character. Did the president go off and sulk afterwards? Sounded like it. That’s a nice touch. Tough!!

Maybe Rahm and Axelrod will tell the president how to smooth things over. They seem to be the directors and personal teleprompters behind the speech maker. How Chicago must miss this crowd! But, in a year or two, they can all return.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:56 am

md – part II (fourth attempt … and I’m getting reappy pi$$ed at this effing bot, Jay)

yes, there are parties to the right of the Tories. the farthest to the right is the British National Party – conservativie policies + racism. they want to ship all the non-Anglo people back to where they came from. Really. they only jsut recently voted to allow people of color to be members of their party (like anyone would want to be).

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:57 am

bloody effing hell, Jay – the bot just ate my 4th attmpt at replying to md when there is NOTHING even remotely controversial in it.

Two Cents

March 26th, 2010
11:59 am

Israel, though an important ally in the Middle East, perhaps has been allowed to get away with a little too much and may actually contribute to the instability in the region with their squabbles with Palestinians.
Peadawg….the health care debate is on another thread. Do you have any opinion about Israel?

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
11:59 am

md – farther to the right than the Tories is the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

horrible, racists, want to ship everyone who is non-anglo back to where they came from.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
12:00 pm

thanks for releasing my 11:56, Jay! :-)

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
12:01 pm

peadawg – 11:40 – “I will keeeell you!”

jt

March 26th, 2010
12:03 pm

As if the Kennedy-LBJ- Lincoln-like politician Obama could make a difference. Mere food for the gullible partisons.

The only thing bowing lower than Obama to Big Defense and Big Pharma could possibly be Netanyahu.
If you are familiar with Israel/American export/import, you would understand that they own him too.

Corperate shills.

jewcowbot

March 26th, 2010
12:03 pm

@@,

“Just point out the things you conveniently forget.”

I did not forget, and you could have saved yourself some time…I don’t know if you saw it, but I posted one of your two examples early in the day before you did your research, where I noted that no “conservative” on the blog made note of particularly violent remark made by another “conservative”.

Your post last night seems to draw issue with those who do not take the same hard line on every issue. I see issues as fluid and therefore requiring thought on how to proceed, rather than just mindlessly doing the same thing each time.

md

March 26th, 2010
12:06 pm

usinuk,

I’ve been following the SNP to the north, and it seems their push for independence is picking up steam. They share much with the BNP?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
12:06 pm

“I never argued that prices weren’t going to increase – I think you have me confused with Doggone ”

Can’t be me either, I never said they would not go up. I’ve always known they would…and I’ve said so.

FinnMcCool

March 26th, 2010
12:07 pm

Jay, he isn’t just a Muslim, he is also a citizen of Kenya!

Dusty

March 26th, 2010
12:08 pm

Well, seems the MODERATOR does have good taste many times. (But not when it cuts mine!!) But some liberals are here so much of the time. It is inevitable!!

getalife

March 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

With Rahm and Hillary serving, we will be very pro Israel.

Thanks to Russia and China, Iranian sanctions failed.

Not sure what they will do but the strategy will be long term.

Lord Help Us

March 26th, 2010
12:11 pm

…don’t forget, he is also a ‘committed socialist’ and he has a ‘deep seated hatred for whitle people.’

Scout

March 26th, 2010
12:13 pm

Jay: Didn’t you conveniently fail to mention Obama’s weekness this week in caving in to Russia and China’s decision re: slap on the wrist sanctions for Iran. Hummmmm ……….. I can hear those Israeli jets warming up now.

BTW: Jerusalem is Israel’s capitol ……….. build, build, build !!!

Brakeman

March 26th, 2010
12:13 pm

Local Headline: “Balcony Fall Kills Ga. Teen On Spring Break”

No …………… “ALCOHOL kills Ga. Teen On Spring Break”

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
12:14 pm

md – 12:06 – good god, no. the SNP = Scottish National Party. all they want is independence. with the devolution the British government has been going through over the past decade or so, there are Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish governments that can create local legislation, raise local taxes, etc.

the big issue with Scottish independence is twofold – 1) they want to claim ALL the revenues from north sea drilling (soooooooo not gonna happen) and 2) they are net revenue recipients. In other words, if they truly want independence, they’re going to be kissing a lot of money created in London good-bye.

I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2010
12:16 pm

1) they want to claim ALL the revenues from north sea drilling (soooooooo not gonna happen) and 2) they are net revenue recipients. In other words, if they truly want independence, they’re going to be kissing a lot of money created in London good-bye.

So they’re like Alaska, only their version of English is a even harder to comprehend.

Jay's an Idiot

March 26th, 2010
12:18 pm

Oblunder bows down to Arabs in Saudi but distances himself from Israeli, Obunder approval rating in Israel has fallen to 9 %.

JohnnyReb

March 26th, 2010
12:18 pm

Jay, is there no end to your defense of Obama? Is there no stumble he makes to which you will not try to use your pulpit to make him look good? America will NEVER turn its back on Israel. If they are attacked and Obama orders not to defend them, there would be mass insubordination within the Military. It is a big mistake for Obama to publically play hardball with Israel regardless of who is on the high ground.

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
12:22 pm

dB – 12:16 – please pass the screen cleaner …

USinUK

March 26th, 2010
12:23 pm

“Obunder approval rating in Israel has fallen to 9 %”

does that mean we can have our $$$ back?

md

March 26th, 2010
12:24 pm

“in caving in to Russia and China’s decision re: slap on the wrist sanctions for Iran.”

Might want to move the missile defense pawn back to the original square, seems Putin plays chess better than Barry.

Brakeman

March 26th, 2010
12:24 pm

Remember him ? …………. and he didn’t even need a teleprompter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw&feature=related

@@

March 26th, 2010
12:26 pm

jewcowboy:

When a blogger uses the word “fluid” it usually means he/she goes with the flow. Changing currents and all that stuff but you are decidedly left.

You’re entitled. However, you can’t, on the one hand, proclaim you take no part in bashing the faith community when you did, in fact, with your Exactly! response to GGG’s “Fungangelical” Talibaptist post.

For me, it’s neither here nor there. You can call me a religious whacko for all I care. Doesn’t make it so. During my trip to archives, I ran across one of your posts that said…”Attempting to snuff out the candle of another doesn’t make yours burn any brighter” or something to that effect.

Anyway, I’m off on a mission. I’m, at least, a coupl’a hours younger since jay wiped out my blog existence from yesterday. I’m gonna make good use of the time he gave back to me.

Mick

March 26th, 2010
12:37 pm

**Putin plays chess better than Barry**

How so? I believe to win in chess you have to be checkmated, did I miss something?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2010
12:40 pm

“I believe to win in chess you have to be checkmated, did I miss something?”

You idea is correct, but to LOSE at chess you have to be checkmated.