Are state Republicans about to take plunge into the absurd?

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sponsored by state Sen. Judson Hill, who three years earlier had introduced legislation that would have — wait for it — forced Georgians to buy health insurance

it burns!

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(the stupid, that is.)

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18 months of whining, bribing, extorting and lying and Republicans are the ones stamping their feet?

The largest tax increase in history, that is the real story, as much as Bookman tries to obscure it.

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Republicans are the ones stamping their feet?

Why yes, Whiner. They are; and you do.

Later, kids. Try not to frivolously sue anyone while I’m away.

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Schools and first responder’s budgets are being cut to the bone, and nut sacks want to waste billions whining and stomping thier little feet… and handing the NRA plums instead of doing what they said they would do after Glen’s Richard…

They can pitch thier little treasonous hissy fits without wasting millions of GA tax dollars, they do it every day here and all over, we don’t need to waste the needed funds to shore up the Nut Sack’s seats in the state Legislature, they are secure, nut sacks don’t know any other way…

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Some may disagree, but Baker might make a good Governor. ???????

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RWT – yep … gimme $50 and we’ll call it even

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“as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law”

King Georga thought the same

Boston Tea Party proved not

many mothers wept.

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What is even more stupid is that the Georgia electorate falls for these histrionics—every time. Georgia’s Republican leadership is shameless in its efforts to con the regressives—from putting useless gay marriage amendments on the ballot to threatening to secede to attempting to sue the federal government over legislation with which it disagrees. It’s as though the Civil War taught absolutely nothing about the power relationship between the states and the federal government.

Teh stoopid. It burns indeed.

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Jay: The BACKLASH has only started ……………………..

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“was of course not a civil war ”

Yep…there’s nothing “civil” about ANY war.

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Considering the difficulty Sonny has encountered trying to provide mental health care for Georgia’s uninsured children without killing them with neglect in inadequate institutions, one would think he would welcome mandated insurance.

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I was not born to

endure a boot to my face

for eternity.

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Jay

Thanks much for the update. I’ve been gone for a few days – good to know that’s in.

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“First they tried to pass a constitutional amendment in the state Senate to declare that no Georgian could be mandated by government to buy health insurance, as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law.”

-could some how? Do you know it violates interstate commerce laws and the constitution to compel anyone to buy something as massive as this?

-but your a super educated liberal so I am wrong some how on this

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Here’s a good article on the Florida lawsuit, the budget concerns, how they’re overcome by events with the numbers Jay provided.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/mar/23/bill-mccollum/mccollum-cites-top-estimate-medicaid-expansion/

So, the same applies to every other state considering that reason as a valid consideration for suit.

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What you mena by “about to.” Aren’t the Republicans already in the absurd?

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Orly Taitz has volunteered to represent the Georgia Republicans. I think she has lady gaga eyes for Sonny.

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joan

[[build up voting blocs of unwashed masses–unions, government employees]]

Military members are ‘unwashed masses’?

Are there any parts of the reforms you like? Are you in favor of repealing legislation that prevents insurance companies from dropping people once they become ill? Or is legislation preventing insurance companies from so doing a good thing?

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Paul – “Military members are ‘unwashed masses’?”

yes … as are the doctors and nurses who work in the VA hospitals, the teachers at our public schools and universities and the scientists who work at the CDC … unwashed, the lot of ‘em …

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haiku guy – in response to your 8:39 below …

Gordon Brown morose

Wishing he had called gen’ral

Back when he was liked

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Gee Jay, I didn’t know you had any judicial experience or had ever sat on the bench. The Supreme Court will decide this matter, not you and your liberal buddies. Rest assured it will be Civil War should they rule the federal government has the right to force citizens to buy something from a private corporation. You think bricks and name calling are bad, just wait!

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Paul – 9:21 – I don’t know how familiar you are with the Red State blog, but the eternally hapless Erick Son of Erick tried to start a protest against Olympia Snow by encouraging everyone to send her rock salt …

until someone pointed out to the braintrust that, actually, people living in Maine might appreciate tons of rock salt being shipped to them right before winter

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/

as dB says … the stupid … it burns …

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The Civil War should be rightly called the “war of the southern states who tried to destroy the country because they wanted to keep slaves”

This is totally incorrect. During the latter part of the war, the North and South were holding informal talks to end the war. The North even said they would agree to pay slave owners for their lost slaves. If the war had been about slavery, the war would have ended right there.
Jefferson Davis, though, insisted any agreement would have to include the continued separation of the southern states from the Union. this, of course, was a deal breaker. The war was about state rights. The emotional trigger was slavery. Pick up a history book some time and read about the racial riots in the North in 1863. Read that “Free” black men, were not allowed to serve in the Northern army at first and when they were finally allowed in, they were paid less than a white yankee and more poorly equiped. No people, slavery was not the issue.

…and the war rightly should be called “The War of Northern Agression”.

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jewcowboy

March 25th, 2010
9:27 am

Dang it! I’m running out of paper towels!

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The seeker looks backward, me thinks…

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If this administration is so concerned about HEALTH related matters then why does the Blakely Peanut Contamination still linger?

Blakely peanut illness: Little has changed since scare

A year after outbreak, holes still exist in inspection safety net

http://www.ajc.com/news/blakely-peanut-illness-little-286617.html

This is a health related matter that embarrassed the entire state!

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“and the war rightly should be called “The War of Northern Agression”.”

No, it shouldn’t. “The South” fired the first shots.

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Is it legal for the federal government, not a state government, to force its citizens to purchase any product?

You are not being forced to purchase health insurance… or car insurance… or flood insurance… or life insurance… or home insurance. However, you are being forced to indirectly pay for FDIC insurance and PBGC insurance if your business offers a pension plan, amongst other things. You are also being forced to pay for the DoD and corporate tax breaks and for all the taxes that are not being paid by those that hide income off shore, etc. How does it feel?

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If it wasn’t true, it would be extremely funny. The republicans are always complaining about private citizens filing frivolous lawsuits, but the pot is now calling the kettle black.
And to impeach the Attorney General is just plain stupid and political; but karma usually comes back tenfold.

The Seeker – please remember that the last time it was done (civil war), YAH LOST BIG TIME. I live in this state and I’ll be fighting with the BIG Government people.

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Keep feeding the fire then Jay!

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Haiku Guy: To keep from having the boot in you face, stop getting drunk and falling down with your face on your shoes! That is unless you are using the shoes to brace your fall and to keep your teeth…that is the ones which are left!

Governor Perdue: Let me make this something even you can understand: Penalty! for piling on! If the lawsuit has merit, what makes you think that Georgia’s participation, and money, will sway the ruling toward your opinion? Where is our ethics legislation? Transportation funding? Education improvements? Oh and forget about any more tax breaks!

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Paul – and don’t forget the requirement to carry flood insurance if you live in a flood plain

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“do you honestly think that, in a city with the highest lawyer per capital ratio on the country that NO ONE ran that by a constitutional lawyer, first?”

Come on now, and all lawyers interpret the laws the same way? The supremes don’t even do that.

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Seeker

[[My fully auto AK-47 begs to differ JAY!]]

Ummm, shouldn’t someone taking part in an armed resistance to protect the country pick, for symbolic value if nothing else, a weapon that didn’t have its beginnings as a weapon made by commies, for commies, to kill real Americans?

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Hey Normal — nice try at revisionist history. But the endless argument that the Civil War had nothing to with slavery is silly and wrong. In his “Cornerstone Speech” in Savannah, Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederate States of America (a Georgian, no less) stated:

“Our new government (the CSA) is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner–stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition.”

Of course, what does Alexander Stephens know compared to you? He was only the Vice-President of the CSA and lived through that era. While you and the rest of the apologists for slavery in this country continue to try and argue that it was only about “states rights” … 150 years later.

I think you’d be a great candidate for the Texas School Book Commission.

Oh, and a P.S. to US in UK, that Haiku post above was one of your best.

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Jewcowboy: Priceless! Do you think we could get Sonny to pose?

Oh Oh! Look out for those activist judges!

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That idiot just made a terrorist threat and admitted to owning a illegal gun.

Now we are having fun.

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Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:34 am

Not true at all Paul there are exemptions for religion, or other spirtual beliefs.

So you are wrong as I have not seen any exemptions given for religion in this Bill.

How funny that people who seriously don’t believe in modern medicine(for religious purposes) will be forced by the government to buy a policy which they will never use.

Paul any others besides immunizations, because those are not forced across the board. And though it is a very wise idea to educate ones self. It is only law up to the age of 16 and one can choose to home school as well and no shots would be required.

See this is different than anything we have ever seen. We have no free choicein this, it is a government mandate. They are forcing us for the first time ever to buy something, or pay a fine, There is no alternate option.

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What the GOP would do is declare all Americans to be terrorists, THEN tell them they had to buy health insurance in the interest of national security…….

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Daedalus – 9:40 – aw, thanks!

I’d forgotten how much I love a good haiku until Mr. Haiku Guy got me started this morning … great way to pass the time whilst comparing databases …

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Don’t forget! The Georgia Republicans have now further empowered the likes of “Seeker” by giving him a legal right to carry his pop gun into church and onto college campuses. Stoopid. Reeeeel stoopid.

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I think most people are wondering how mandating that everyone(sick and healthy) is going to lower premiums. I agree w/ the pre-existing conditions thing, but it’s not going to lower premiums. Insurance companies are going to have to raise premiums to pay for everyone. Obama flat out lied on that one.

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USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:37 am

Its a choice to live in a flood plan. there are many other areas of the country that do not lie near a flood plain. Thus eliminating your need to purchase flood insurance.

However this bill forces everyone from coast to coast, and Hawaii, and Alaska to purchase insurance or pay a fine. There is no alternative. Even if you are not ever going to use any medicine.

There has never been a time in America in which our citizens were force to either purchase a product or pay a tax since……………The English were collecting the tax.

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Terrorism supported by the Republicans? When it all comes out, I bet it was a liberal who commited these heinous acts, to blame the conservatives!

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Oh, and Barry still hasn’t shown his birther certificate

Damn Skippy!

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USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:46 am

You my friend are smarter than this. That is only 1 group. 1 so now the Amish are the only ones who refuse medical treatment?

You know better and understand that there will be religions forced into doing this who fundamentally don’t agree with medicine.

But you still go with this argument because you know there are those who are dumb enough to believe you.

Nice to see that you are not for religious freedom, well except for the Amish.

You are better at showing your point than to take the intellectually dishonest route.

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Bookman,

Flash back to the 2008 campaign. “No new taxes to anyone making less than 250K/yr.” Pelosi….. “We will have the most ethical House in the history of this country”. ” We will publish any new legislation on C-Span for the electorate to review at least 3 to 4 days in advance of consideration”. “We will have the most tranparent administration in history”. “We will reach across the isle and strive to have bi-partisan legislation involving members of the opposition party”.

Recent figures……. Pelosi approval rating, 11%, Reid approval rating 8%, Bozo approval rating, the lowest in his term of office and the lowest of any sitting president, at this point into their first term. Disapproval of the Health Care Bill, 65%.
How can you continually ignore these figures? The electorate is not happy, Bookman. You can go around in this temporary aura as much as you want and the fact still remains that you ignore these numbers at your peril. It only passed my 7 votes and they were bribed, cajoled, arm twisted and lied to by Bozo and his gang….. far from a mandate on so important a piece of legislation with so many far reaching implications. They muscled it through, Chicago style, and the electorate will not forget in November.

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Peadog….I’ll ’splain this to you once.

Young people tend to think that, because they are healthy they don’t need health insurance. They want the maximum net amount from their paychecks. When they get older and realize the financial risk they are taking, only then do they agree to pay for insurance.

Now there will be millions and millions of (healthy) people paying health insurance premiums. And the Federal government will provide subsidies for those who cannot afford the premiums……

And the health insurance companies are going to be regulated. They will be required to adhere to a revenue/payout algorithm that is more restrictive than their current operating model. The purpose of this is to help control these huge premium increases that occur every year.

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I think Pelosi is down to 9%….

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Gale Howdy! Missed you and that dang EXPAT most of all….How goes it?

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Daedalus

March 25th, 2010
9:40 am

Yes, there were Southerners who deplored slavery, but as you pointed out he was the Vice President of the CSA. He still believed in the separation of the states.

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Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:53 am

Yes doggone,

always the argument of the wise, educated and classy.

“If you don’t like the US, then get out”

Classy, and such a bright rey of freedom and liberty you are.

This is the ONLY BILL EVER that has forced every American (my bad USinUK not the Amish) to buy anything regardless of where one lives or what one believes.

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Well color me Amish!

Damn Skippy!

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Anybody else see BillO ask Weiner who collects the fine if folks don’t buy insurance?

Weiner, after dancing in circles around the question – “If you go littering and that’s a $50 fine, no one is following you around to get your litter.”

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EXPAT? No voice of reason?

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thomas 9:43

not true ‘at all’?

Entirely false, then?

The current legislation has, I believe, exemptions for religious objections. Amish, Seventh day Adventists and such.

Why the request for any other examples besides immunizations? The assertion is gov’t has ‘never required purchase’ in form of insurance. Immunization is an example of the concept. One cite is sufficient to show precedent.

We had a good thread here where the requirement for mandatory purchase was discussed. Its purpose is, if people are not to be denied coverage for preexisting conditions, to make people responsible for their own costs. Otherwise, they’d get sick, get insurance, get treatment, drop insurance, get sick, get insurance, get treatment, drop coverage, and so on.

So , it seems to me the only way around it is to allow insurance companies to continue to deny coverage. Saying we should deny coverage to people won’t work, as we already have established law preventing that.

Do you have an alternative? Or are you in favor of letting insurance companies continue to deny coverage?

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“And the health insurance companies are going to be regulated. They will be required to adhere to a revenue/payout algorithm that is more restrictive than their current operating model. The purpose of this is to help control these huge premium increases that occur every year.”

The Insurance companies will for all practical purposes become public utilities. Insurance premiums will go UP…not down.

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USinUK,

I never made a mention of there not being 1, I asked a question. I only discredit Paul’s claim that all kids have to be immunized to go to school, which is just false.

Nice to see that there may be some hope for those religions who DO NOT believe in medicine and refuse to use it. But if our legislators were serious about those peoples needs and concerns they would have included it in the bill. 1 more page would not have been too much to ask to a bill of over 2000 pages.

Any way you want to package this, it is the very first time in USA history in which our government has forced each and everyone of us to buy a product that we may not want or use.

This looks like a simple loss of choice for the citizens today. A loss of choice is usually called a loss of freedom.

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You don’t have to drive Curious Observer, that is such a liberal arguement!

Nationalize the Health Care Industry…2016 objective of these fine liberals…
By the way…Barry said the Great Teddy Roosevelt was a republican when he supported universal health care, any sane person knows he was a BULL MOOSE…and it left those believes behind when got old, he actually rejoined the Repulicans…Barry doesn’t know constitional law or history!

Damn Skippy!

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Paul:

It’s still a choice ……….. you can home school and stay out of the govenment schools.

Jay:

1) Our country started with slavery. A very bad idea but a practice world-wide at the time (and still is in many places today).
2) Our Constitution supported it or we would never have become a nation (excuse me ….. a “United States”.)
3) The North started the War by trying to resupply Ft. Sumpter in violation of an agreement.
4) Our country through its policies is slowly but surely returning people to economic and political slavery so we are almost full circle.

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Teddy did like Ross and split the ticket, allowing another liberal to tear at the roots of the Republic…
just sayin’

Damn Skippy!

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Ever heard of state’s rights? However, Sonny should rely on our chief lawyer. A lot of people enjoy a good circus.

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TnGelding, Barry has repealed State’s Rights, he is replacing them with State’s Lefts…

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(I tried to post this over there first, since I’ve been banned…it seems on topic for Jay’s posting today)

Enter your comments hereI condemned the words used against John Lewis and Barney Frank (although it does seem odd that with all the cameras rolling, not a single one captured these epithets being hurled, so we only have the word of the Congressmen and their staffers, and I suppose we must believe them because they are all honorable men). I condemn these acts of vandalism and violence, and hope that the perpetrators are brought to justice soon.

I encourage those who might be tempted, in their outrage at the actions of Ms. Pelosi and her minions, to act out in such a manner: don’t. Use your anger to drive these people out of office in November.

Without making any judgment as to the validity of these latest of these allegations, because the Congressmen affect are certainly all honorable men, let us remember that there is a long history of false claims. Just a while ago, right here in Georgia, we had an arsonist try to claim that she had been victimized with racial graffiti and that someone tried to burn her house down because she supported Obama. We know now that was false.

I really do not doubt that some unstable person, who feels personally betrayed by the actions of Ms. Pelosi and crew, thought for a moment that tossing a brick through a window seemed like a good idea, and that these incidents did happen.

But to paint everyone who has an honest philosophical opposition to the bill is somehow a violent racist is just dishonest and lazy.

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True, arguments at the state level are a waste of time. This should be challenged at the federal level for being unconstitutional, which it is.
Fact: Under the bill signed by the prez, if you are healthy and self employed, you may not wish to buy insurance, but you will be forced to. That is wrong.

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Normal,

Nope, I am an escapee….

“Got two reasons why I cry away each lonely night,
First one is sweet Emily,
She’s my hearts delight,
Second one is prison,
The sheriff’s on my tale,
If he catches up with me,
I’ll spend my life in jail”
The Dead

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md 9:57

I saw the exchange. They seemed to have a bit of trouble understanding one another.

On the bright side, O’Reilly raised many of the objections people have. Rep Wiener (and several web sites) made the mistake of taking a journalist’s question as the journalist advocating a position. He was, as I said, repeating a lot of the objections floating about.

I believe Rep Wiener countered every one of them.

The difficulty came when BOR asked who would enforce penalties for not buying insurance. Rep Wiener said it wouldn’t be criminalized. BOR asked again which agency would do the fines. Rep Wiener did not, I think understand that question until the end. The littering example he gave – a proper followup question would have been ‘which gov’t agency levies the fine or collects the fine?’

But the fine is so low as to be meaningless.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-oreilly-and-anthony-weiner-spar-over-health-carethe-irs-and-the-truth/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediaite%2FClHj+%28Mediaite%29

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” We’ve gotten sick of paying higher premiums, higher taxes, and higher medical costs to cover for people who think they’ll never need health insurance until they get sick or injured and can’t pay the bills—at which point we have to pay it.”

Interesting – so what has changed??

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The 2nd amendment has always been referred to as the “reset button” for the constitution. Heaven forbid that the lunatic fringe takes this route.

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Heaven forbid Barry destroys the Republic!

Damn Skippy!

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I blame Ross Perot…

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No new taxes, this is so fun!
No help from congress for Barry after 2010 elections, he is toast.

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Thomas….perhaps we can kill the proverbial 2 birds with one stone. The purchase of health insurance would be mandatory unless a person of legal age signed a permanent waver. They could be treated at medical facilities, but only if they fully paid for the services. We could also use that event to enforce the requirement. If someone showed up at a medical facilty who had neither signed the waver nor paid for health insurance, they would then suffer the penalty……of course minors would still need coverage unless the responsible adult agreed to be financially responsible for their healthcare expenses. Just a thought..

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If the bill can force everyone to purchase a product, health insurance, or face a fine, does this not set a precedent to allow the government to force everyone to buy another product or face a fine?

What if we as a people get tired of bailing people out every time there is a flood, earthquake, hurricane, brush fire, or tornado. Can we now say it is Constitutional to have Congress pass a law to force every person to buy flood+homeowner’s insurance? Or for renters, flood+renter’s insurance?

Can we pass a law to force everyone to buy a life insurance policy that will provide 10 years of income to your family if you die, or if you have no family, a policy that will cover ten years of taxes that you would have had to pay had you lived?

What if we decide that communications are a critical human right? Can we pass a law to force everyone to buy a cell-phone so that they are able to call 911 at all times?

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I don’t know how you can oppose “wat” in Iraq, Hussien was a monster….WE ARE THE SUPERPOWER. Doggone/GA, do you let bullies beat up you kids in your neighborhood? I hope not, violence can only be destroy with violence. Sorry that this is true, but it is…

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“The State of Georgia has so many “Auto Related” things I am required to do by law or I am fined. NONE OF WHICH ARE IN THE CONSTITUTION”

To put a quick end to your list, no one is required to drive, it is still a choice.

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Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
10:14 am

Who forced you to buy a war bond?

Did someone make you pay a tax others are not paying, because they are purchasing something that benfits the war?

There is a difference. The Iraqi war is paid for by taxes already collected. There was no new war tax put in that we all pay.

Again I have read your post and find you to be smarter than this and understand that your comparission was not nearly the same but that darned intellectual dishonesty of yours wouldn’t allow a apples to apples example from you.

I guess you are glad your taxes are being used to fight the war in Afgan. as I noticed you ommitted that war from your post.

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Now, if/when gov’t motors requires us to buy their cars, then you can add that to your list.

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The guarantee of freedom of religion doesn’t automatically give churches exemptions from taxes. The fact that they have such exemptions forces me to pay, via taxation, for their very existence. I wonder what would happen if all church property was taxed, all church revenues (donations, investments, etc.) were taxed, and all personal deductions for making those donations/tithes were eliminated.

We would probably get a balanced budget, fewer churches, etc.

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Doggone, I am not opposed to attacking other countries with monsters for leaders…not in the least.

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What is all this talk about happy people?

just sayin’!

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“Just when did you disprove that kids can attend school without being immunized?!!?
The point wasn’t school attendance – the point was your assertion the gov’t has never required purchase”

Paul – for the most part, many public health depts provide immunizations “free” of charge, so folks are not required to buy them.

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So…what about that Braves rotation this year?

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“a apples to apples example from you.”

I see no difference between being required to buy car insurance and being required to buy health insurance. And yes, I already know that buying a car is a choice. So is living in this country.

“I guess you are glad your taxes are being used to fight the war in Afgan. as I noticed you ommitted that war from your post.”

Not glad, no…but resigned to the necessity of it’s having been started. That it still continues I find disgusting…but when the previous admin sat on it’s hands on Afghanistan for nearly 8 years, I am also resigned to the fact that we will need some time to catch up and finish what should have been completed a long time ago.

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Seeker,

You can expect a knock on your door and an indefinite stay at Guantanamo . No lawyers, no phone calls, and NO MIRANDA warning. Terrorists and their advocates deserve none !

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Iraq, easy place to fight a lightning war
Afgan terrain, much toughter…mountains…

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FBI – I guess you are certain that every single person detained under the suspision that he/she is a terrorist is actually a terrorist. I mean no need for a trial, right? Just lynch ‘em.

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“I believe a religious change in a spirtual choice, and therfore not a cognitive one”

and if you truly believe that you should not be forced to buy health insurance, would not a change of church be a spiritual one? As you would be joining a church whose spiritual beliefs coincide with yours?

and spiritual or cogintive, it’s still a choice.

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that would be “suspicion”, of course. Doh!

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Night Train:

We are NOWHERE near that point and I don’t think we will be in my lifetime but thankfully our “lunatic fringe” founding fathers had the guts or we wouldn’t be here as we are now.

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N-ga – “FBI – I guess you are certain that every single person detained under the suspision that he/she is a terrorist is actually a terrorist. I mean no need for a trial, right? Just lynch ‘em.”

I believe you’re missing the point … since the RIGHT believes that, this is a case of being hoisted on your own petard …

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P.S. to Night Train:

Just as a hypothetical ……….. what would it take for “you” (in othere words what right could the government take away) to push that “reset button” ? Can you name something?

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Paul

March 25th, 2010
10:21 am

“Just when did you disprove that kids can attend school without being immunized?!!?”

Are you saying children who are homeschooled are not attending school, or are you saying children who are homeschooled have to be immunized as well?

Unless you are saying that those homeschooled do not attend school, I have disproven your point that the gov’t has forced all of the citizens to purchase something. Cause……… you have the choice to homeschool, you do not have to send your child to a public or private school.

Now do you see where the gov. has never forced us into this type of action?

About pre-existing conditions.

I feel we should go with the model of allowing anyone to gain insurance regardless of any pre-existing condition. However insurance companies should not be forced to pay out upon claims in direct link with the pre-existing condition for a period of up to 1 year after the start of premium collections. After the 1 year there is no longer any pre-existing conditions, allowing for all claims to be covered as any other member covered under the insurance plan.

Thus eliminating people from going off when well and back on insurance when sick. Also it would remove the risk of people not gaining any insurance due to a pre-existing condition.

Would need some tweeking, but I am not a full time politician and do not have the time to research it that much further. I think its a good idea though.

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Gandalf, the White

To all the patriots that run from the law,

but they don’t run to fast.

Salud.

And here’s to you Roady-

Road Scholar …statist

reaches for retirement wealth

no where to be had.

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Your arguments are invalid and stupid. There will be a huge premium increase and other than those who opt for the fine WILL PAY!

Pay your BILLS…

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Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
10:32 am

“and spiritual or cogintive, it’s still a choice.”

Not really, its like breathing. I can choose to stop breathing but all that will happen is I will pass out and then resume normal breathing, as I will no longer be making cogintive decisions since conscience needs to be present to be cogintive. The only way I could stop breathing is if something FORCES me to stop. My choice would not be enough alone.

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Gandalf, the White

March 25th, 2010
10:27 am
So…what about that Braves rotation this year?

If they rotate from right to left, I’m all for it…

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Well, just bite me! Jay, your liberal bias is so expected. If you believe that this bill is so great and that all people are enthused about it, read the MSNBC poll yesterday which shows that 67% of americans are not in favor of this bill and are angry about its passage. Even a liberal rag like MSNBC, one of the president’s chief syncophants, cant hide the truth any more…

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thomas

I said nothing about immunizations and home schooling, as I recall. You did. I did say not all people have the choice of getting kids immunized or home schooling them.

But if parents want to home school kids rather than protect them from polio, measles, etc… well, let’s just hope idiocy is not genetic.

Thanks for the response on preexisting conditions. That’s an option. The problem I see is the cost of many, many procedures for which preexisting treatment is denied. Many cost models are built upon lifetime payments of premiums to spread cost. One year of premiums doesn’t come close to the cost of some treatments. So what you have is, people get a serious illness, pay a thousand or two in premiums and get hundreds of thousands in treatment. That seems to be a serious difficulty.

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md

[[If an individual is financially capable to support his/her decision to not have health insurance, that affects no one but the individual. I believe that is the case being made.]]

Well, when we look at the population of those who don’t have health insurance (and for millions it is voluntary) then I’d guess the number that can pay all foreseeable costs is very, very, very small.

Many do self insure. It covers routine stuff, but let anything major happen and it’s only the extremely wealthy that would have the resources to pay for treatment.

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thomas –

“Not really, its like breathing”

sorry, your choice of religion isn’t at all like breathing.

I know a lot of catholics who moved on to different religions (or left all together), christians who became jews, hindus who became sikh, etc … if it was as mechanical as breathing, that would not be possible.

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Hey Gandalf’s back! Hey Gandalf!

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USinUK @10:27 am

No, there’s no such law requiring you to buy flood+homeowner’s insurance. Your lender probably requires it, but I can find no such law in the US Code and no penalty associated with it. If it’s required, why do we have to pay out of disaster funds for Katrina victims, etc.?

The Telecom acts does not require anyone to actually buy the telephone service (and there’s certainly no fines for not buying service) and there are still plenty of households in this country where access is simply unavailable, primarily small communities in very remote regions.

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USinUK at 10:27 wrote:
“Can we now say it is Constitutional to have Congress pass a law to force every person to buy flood+homeowner’s insurance? ” it already is.
“What if we decide that communications are a critical human right?”
they already have – which is why we had the telecommunications act of 1996 to make sure no areas of the country were without access to telephony services.

Sorry USinUK, I believe that it is the lender that requires homeowners insurance. As I own my house free and clear, I am not required to have insurance. I do have insurance as only a fool would not cover what is probably their biggest investment.

As for the telecommunication act of 1996, it does not mandate that I have a phone. There is a difference.

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Paul, I brought up home schooling as being the choice the government has left us in the relm of immunizations. We have a choice or freedom to choose to have any shots. hell my kid goes to public pre-k so he’s shot up but if i really didn’t want to the gov. couldn’t force me to or make me pay a fine. With this new bill we have no choice.

I do not have any stats to prove, but I would think, from my life experience that many who are excluded by a pre-existing don’t require treatment for the condition for years to come. In which case there would be substantial cost recieved. And remember it is INSURANCE. Not a fund we pay into and can only used what we paid in. Meaning that for all those who are spending more than they pay there are just as many who like me have not made a claim since i began paying into it. My wife nor I get sick very often and have currently been blessed and not had any major medical. So basically we have just been paying in money for others.

Insurance its a risk for both sides!

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night train – “I do have insurance as only a fool would not cover what is probably their biggest investment”

yep. and you’re wearing hte only body you’ve got, too … you’d be a fool not to insure it.

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Bosch – hey buddy! did you see??? my boys did well last night (even if Peter didn’t score)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/tottenham/7519013/Harry-Redknapp-praised-for-FA-Cup-gamble-as-Spurs-turn-tide-against-Fulham.html

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Gandalf, the White

March 25th, 2010
10:20 am
Now Really, think there is a pefectly good seat on MARTA for you…liberal all take it so you can have someone to chat with!

If I lived within 25 miles of MARTA, I would. However, I don’t. The republican fools in my county don’t want Marta or anything else related to transportation.

MD – you have a choice, pay the fines and keeping paying taxes to subsidize everyone else who decided to purchase health insurance. You don’t have to purchase health insurance, but be willing to keep accepting the consequences for your CHOICE. I made my choice at 16 to get a license, purchase a vehicle and insurance. Now it’s your turn.

Every body has a choice, just like you said. You can choose to keep paying the fine and I am absolutely okay with it. If I were in charge, I would set the fines based upon your income level.

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Hi Paul!

I need to meet this Jim Bennet person – and become his best friend. I don’t think anyone, not even Mr. Super Cheesy Grits Champion can redeem our state from our totally incompetent stupid politicians — the stupid burns. It burns. Apparently, your Texas School Board is not far behind in the stupid from what I hear.

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thomas

My main point about home schooling to avoid the immunization mandate is, many, many parents don’t have the choice. They’re single and have to work. The simply cannot afford to stay home. It’s not a question of two parents working for a higher standard of living. It’s about one parent working to survive and not rely on others to pay his or her way.

So in this case, not everyone has the choice to opt out. So it’s essentially mandatory for them.

I’d rather think that the conditions for which insurance companies refuse to accept an applicant are pretty serious and pretty near-term. I don’t think ‘overweight’ is such a condition. But ‘heart attack’ or ‘cancer’ is. Lots and lots of cancers hit young adults. Lots of other conditions hit young adults.

And again, it’s like car insurance in the sense that while many people may hardly ever have a claim, it’s millions and millions paying premiums that allow the claims to be paid for people whose claim costs more than a year or two’s worth of insurance.

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Hi USinUK – good for them! And PETER!!! Ya’ gotta love Peter.

OK, so now we’re gonna have a “special attorney general” to sue —

The stupid never stops.

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The Amish visit doctors when they are ill. They don’t oppose medical care at all. They are opposed to insurance. So the Amish will be exempt from Marxist Medicine as they are currently exempt from Social Security and Medicare. They don’t pay taxes to support these wonderful inventions of government. They are like a separate nation just like the Indian reservations. Anything that can be done to oppose the tyranny of Øbungle should be implemented. I couldn’t care less about hypocrisy or legal merits of lawsuits. As Colonel Saito said in the movie The Bridge on the River Kwai: “Do not speak to me of rules. This is war! This is not a game of cricket!” America is at war with the contemptible dictator and his boyars infesting the White House. First we use every legal way to oppose the loss of our country. Then civil disobedience in the tradition of Henry David Thoreau

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/obamacare-politics-united-states-reform-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia.html?boxes=opinionschannellighttop

But an armed revolt is unwise. Hussein and his jack booted thugs have more weapons than we do and they know how to use them. Besides, we tried that in 1861 and it didn’t work.

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“but something is better than nothing.”

How is making insurance premiums go up(after the bill) better than…making insurance premiums go up(before the bill)?

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“How is making insurance premiums go up(after the bill) better than…making insurance premiums go up(before the bill)?”

Should have been: How is making insurance premiums go up(after the bill) better than…insurance premiums going up(before the bill)? -> That sounds better.

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Peadawg – hey, if you don’t have a body, you don’t have to buy health insurance … no one is making you …

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Well, I’m sick of this beating around the bush. All these arguments about freedom and Personal Responsibility and all that junk. All this stuff about how you don’t need to drive so auto insurance is diffrent, and all.

Most of us Conservatives don’t want this health insurance law because most of the people it would give insurance to are Those People and the Mexicans. It’s welfare, plain and simple. There, I said it and the rest of you can come out of hiding and say what you really think.

Have a good day everybody.

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I dunno Bosch, as long as there is no taxpayer money used, and these guys are doing this pro bono, what reason is there to complain.

Now hopefully the GOP will stop this impeachment talk. We need Baker to stay relevant so that someone can edge out Roy Barnes! Well…maybe impeaching him would make him more popular. I don’t know. Anybody but Barnes!

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“How is making insurance premiums go up(after the bill) better than…making insurance premiums go up(before the bill)?”

That’s the point. The premiums will go up anyway, but if by absorbing that same cost we can ensure that however many millions of uninsured are included in getting better healthcare, then it’s a benefit to us all, instead of only being a benefit to the insurance companies.

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When hospitals, for example, treat people that cannot pay, whether you call it charity or robbery or whatever, then those that can pay, whether they be covered by insurance or not, will pay enough to cover the lost revenue from those that could not pay. By requiring everyone to have insurance, the government is in fact ensuring a greater level of equality under the law. Now, pay your taxes and quit your whining. By the way, we’re thinking about implementing a whining fee. After all, if we have to listen to it day after day, we might as well get something good out of it.

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Breaking: Perdue will sue feds over health care on his own

Would that be with his own money.

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Doggone, so you’re admitting Obama lied to the American people about this bill making our insurance premiums go down?

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So I guess the primary question regarding this thread is, in this idiotic endeavor have Sonny and his minions done their part in helping Georgia get it’s first black governor?

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“Sure, BOA had self interest at heart. But they did something that was essentially a win-win.”

that’s exactly the point. In essence, it isn’t the government that is forcing the purchase of health insurance…it’s the insurance companies. They had a choice to circumvent the legislation and they blew it, so it was forced on them…and on us.

But I always come back to the communicable disease issue, and therefore I do support some form of healthcare reform. This wasn’t what I would have preferred, but it’s a start.

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AmVet – “have Sonny and his minions done their part in helping Georgia get it’s first black governor?”

bHA … yeah … that’s gonna happen …

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Whacks,

What reason is there to complain? Oh, I dunno, because it’s stupid?

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Will Barnes be sporting a new color of lipstick for his upcoming Goober run?

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“ObmamCare offers no options.”

But…but…you can move if you don’t like it!!!

Doggone, do you have to pay a fine if you don’t own an automobile?

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“Doggone, so you’re admitting Obama lied to the American people about this bill making our insurance premiums go down?”

Are you admitting W lied about WMD’s?

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“that it is not in their power to keep”

Obama and Pelosi seem to think it is……

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“Doggone, do you have to pay a fine if you don’t own an automobile?”

Do you have to pay a fine if you don’t own a body? Inane questions don’t deserve a serious answer.

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“Are you admitting W lied about WMD’s?”

Yes. No sugar-coating it. Yes he did lie.

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They are serving the will of the people. Folks don’t want this health bill. States are attempting to stop it. It’s the right thing to do.

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YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE IN HEALTHCARE:

Option # 1 – Purchase a health insurance policy

or

Option # 2 – Pay the Fine for not making the health insurance purchase

If you opt to pay the fine, I hope it is income based and per adults in the household.

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You do not have to purchase health care insurance. That is an absolute myth. You can just get sick and die and dare me to try and collect on a fine for you not choosing coverage and health over your principled “logic”.

Works for me.

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“It’s stupid to compare auto and health insurance”

And I disagree

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“Option # 1 – Purchase a health insurance policy
or
Option # 2 – Pay the Fine for not making the health insurance purchase”

Exactly. That’s why health and auto insurance is completely different. You don’t pay a fine for not owning a car.

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Disgusted,

you chose to live where you live.

unless you were forced in which case you should contact the police.

so looky there you chose to drive, by choosing to live somewhere that would require you to drive.

choices and elections have Consequences.

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“Are you admitting W lied about WMD’s?”

“Yes. No sugar-coating it. Yes he did lie.”

I just about fell outta my chair just now… an honest, right leaning person… capable of actually disseminating an honest answer admitting a… well…, we’ll call it a MISTAKE on W’s part.

There is hope for the country after all.

Not for GA however. It looks like the eternally hapless “Go Fish” Sonny Perdue has decided to do an end run around our democratically elected AG and WASTE millions of dollars to join a lawsuit that will, in the end, result in either what he wants to happen, or not, regardless of GA’s involvement or investment. We’re cutting 300 million from our GA colleges, yet we have millions laying around to invest in a lawsuit that affects us whether or not we participate or make the investment…

BRILLIANT!!! I love nut sacks, the gift that keeps on giving…

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Like I’ve been sayin….

The Democrats in Congress and the White House have forced upon the United States of America a federal health care plan designed for people who are too stupid, incompetent and weak to manage their own affairs.

http://www.cleveland.com/obrien/index.ssf/2010/03/kevin_obrien_dont_let_up_until.html

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This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be – read it!! The article below is completely neutral, ….not anti republican or democrat.

Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinal has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgements made that impact each one of us every day.

It’s a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

545 vs. 300,000,000

EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE..

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.

545 PEOPLE By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
campaign against them…

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget… The president does.

You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does..

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of
the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.
No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable
directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it’s because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the
belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.What you do with this article now that you have read it……… Is up to you.
This might be funny if it weren’t so darned true. Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,

Tax his bed,

Tax the table

At which he’s fed.

Tax his tractor,

Tax his mule,

Teach him
taxes

Are the rule.

Tax his work,

Tax his pay,

He works for peanuts

Anyway!

Tax his cow,

Tax his goat,

Tax his pants,

Tax his
coat.

Tax his ties,

Tax his shirt,

Tax his work,

Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,

Tax his drink,

Tax him if he

Tries to think.

Tax his
cigars,

Tax his beers,

If he cries

Tax his tears.
Tax his car,

Tax his gas,

Find other ways

To tax his a$$. Tax all he has Then let him know

That you won’t be done

Till he has no dough…

When he screams and hollers;

Then tax him some more,

Tax him till

He’s good and
sore.

Then tax his coffin,

Tax his grave,

Tax the sod in

Which he’s laid…

Put these words

Upon his tomb,

Taxes drove me

to my
doom…’

When he’s gone,

Do not relax,

Its time to apply

The inheritance tax..

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

CDL license Tax

Cigarette
Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Dog License Tax

Excise Taxes

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel Permit Tax

Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per
gallon)

Gross Receipts Tax

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax

Inventory Tax

IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare
Tax

Personal Property Tax

Property Tax

Real Estate Tax

Service Charge Tax

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Tax

Sales Tax

Recreational Vehicle Tax

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone Federal Excise Tax

Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax

Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes

Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=0Tax

Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax

Telephone State
and Local Tax

Telephone Usage Charge Tax

Utility Taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales
Tax

Watercraft Registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’

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The Dems have to keep their base satisfied with giveaways.

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Yes, but it’s not MY representative who does this, it’s all the others…

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Bout what I expected from you Outhouse. Still toeing the party line on that huh?

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Bosch

I’m surrendering. Giving up for tonight. I’ve got shimp. Thick-cut bacon. Vermont and NY cheddar that’s been aged over a year. Primo grits.

Screw cholesterol. That’s why God invented Lipitor!

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“otherwise I’m seriously questioning your intelligence.”

Be my guest. Personally, I don’t…and won’t…question yours.

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“YET AGAIN to pay or help pay for those who refuse to day anything”

Not “yet again”…still.

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Your Taxes – Up = Passed on to you

Those poor, poor people making more than $250,000. OH, how ever will they manage?

Hold a cup out and repeat: “Alms for the wealthy…alms for the wealthy”

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pea….. I agree anyone without a body does not need health insurance. I’ll even go one further….no one who is dead needs health insurance. Now you are comparing apples to apples in your NYC discussion.

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Peadawg

March 25th, 2010
11:31 am

Then just because you say so, it makes it okay for the state of Georgia to make me pay auto insurance, just because I drive a car. You don’t make me pay house insurance, why car insurance? Someone could get hurt when they visit my property, just like with my car. Or a tree on my property could fall on a passing car, or a neighbors house, car, etc….

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“Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering”

And that is why my preference is for single-payer. Pass a “healthcare tax” and then use it to fund single-payer coverage. We’ll “all” still be “forced” to pay for it, but it will be a legal tax.

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NowReally @ 11:47…see my 11:48 post. That goes for your comment as well.

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Well, liberals are stupid so I guess they figure the rest of us are to-

On the merits of the issue, I agree with health reform’s supporters that one’s decision not to buy health insurance has economic ripple effects. Basically, it turns you into a free-rider and that imposes costs on everyone else in the risk pool. As Prof. Erwin Chemerinsky recently put it: “There is no constitutionally protected freedom to be able to refuse to be insured or to avoid paying for the benefits provided.”

So we have to pay two trillion dollars to insure the “free riders” who somehow are now getting free care without spending the two trillion, eh?

The largest tax increase in history, not to provide “health care,” but to grow government.

You have to be blind not to see through this sham, just sayin….

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thomas – “Its a little bigger than 500sq. ft. now since you rowed across the pond and all. not much bigger but bigger”

my butt is big, but, criminey, it’s not THAT big!!

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OGK – “Oh thats right…its for our own good.”

yes. just like innoculation programs. just like public hospitals. just like public education, for that matter.

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“commnicable diseases affect the 99% who engage in activities that would cause such”

Umm hmm. I guess you’ve forgotten, already, the flap about the person who took a plane trip while still carrying an active case of TB. I guess all those other people in the plane would have been personally responsible if they’d caught TB from him. After all, they had a CHOICE whether to be in that plane or not, right?

I don’t know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when they use to force people to stay in their homes – quarentined from the general population – to help prevent the spread of such communicable disesases.

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WellPoint stock up $.26 today….up $25.64 over the last year of healthcare reform debate…Aetna up $11.44 for the past year…down $.01 since Monday…what happened to Armageddon?

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http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=5158255&ref=fpblg

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USinUK,

Very funny

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The amendment failed.

Noooooooooo!!!!!

jay, I have no idea where this litigation will lead, but if the voters want their elected officials to proceed, and many of them do, our representatives should do as they’re told. Novel idea, don’tcha think?

Anyhoo, I still have a hard time seeing how Roe v Wade prohibits the government from interfering in a woman’s choice but can now interfere in mine. I’m female.

DANG! it’s contradictions like ^^^ that that muddies the waters.

Whatever…..here’$$$$ to your health!

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“our representatives should do as they’re told. Novel idea, don’tcha think?”

Actually, no they shouldn’t. We don’t elect robots, we elect people…with opinions and agendas. We vote for those closest to our own ideas, we hope. But in the end they will still vote their own consciences (we hope) and ideas and agendas.

Plus, they can’t voted both sides of a question. If they vote “as they are told” by one side, they are…by definition…”disobeying” what they are told by the other.

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Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering

Because they lost, they are adrift, and it’s all they have.

It’s much more than that. Massive amounts of fear was injected into the opposition to health care reform, and now that this will become law, all that is left is the fear. One way to mitigate that fear is to infect in others so that these ‘fraidy cats wont feel so all alone.

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Jay,

At the meeting today, I double dog dare you to yell out “The stupid, it burns!!!”

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Or better yet…maybe Sonny and the Republican “leaders” can pray for an instructional guide on how to remove their heads from their posteriors…

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Bosch

Yous can still catch it –

http://www.foodnetwork.com/throwdown-with-bobby-flay/shrimp-and-grits/index.html

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Bosch

This is the Cheesy Shrimp and Grits King’s recipe

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/shrimp-and-grits-recipe/index.html

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You poor little people who are worried about paying a fine for not getting health insurance can quit your worrying. I promise you I will not be wasting my time with you. I’ve got much more important things to take care of. So, do not get insurance if you do not want. I really do not care. And if you get sick and need help, take your chances at the ER or your local doctor or whatever. Maybe they’ll feel sorry for you or maybe not.

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Paul,

Oooooooo. What if I don’t have Wild Georgia Shrimp? Will the tame ones do?

That recipe looks GOOD!!! Man, oh man!!!

Have I ever mentioned that I really like Cheesy Shrimp Grits?

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Kamchak,

“God does Power Point?”

Nah..only the Devil…it was in his pact with Bill Gates.

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Hold a cup out and repeat: “Alms for the wealthy…alms for the wealthy”

Finn, very funny!

Damn Republicans and their socialistic income redistribution. Upwards!

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bosch – have you made your cheesy shrimp grits with polenta? mmmmm … cheesy polenta with parmesan and reggiano …

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“I have just come to the conclusion that the GOP has lost their freaking minds”

So has everyone who believes Pelosi and Obama that this bill will lower premiums!

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Bosch / Paul,

“Have I ever mentioned that I really like Cheesy Shrimp Grits?”

The key to making great grits is to replace the water with whole milk or heavy cream…and instead of boiling for 5 – 10 minutes, simmer them for 2 – 3 hours, adding cream along the way to keep it from thickening…for cheese add a wheel of brie with the rind cut off and top with white truffle oil…

Not good for the heart…but wonderful for the soul.

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oh, and since it’s thursday … new jobless numbers keep heading in the right direction, falling more than expected on the week:

The four-week moving average of claims, a less volatile measure than the weekly figures, decreased to 453,750 last week, the lowest level since September 2008, from 464,750.

The number of people continuing to receive jobless benefits decreased 54,000 in the week ended March 13 to 4.65 million, the lowest since Dec. 20, 2008.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aRjQPuqaM_0U

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Polenta? White Truffle Oil? Bacon drippings? Brie? Good lord, I’ve gone into a cheesy shrimp grit fit. Quick! Somebody fluff the pillows on my swooning couch!

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Bosch – if you want to play with melt-y brie, top a nice hot bowl of wild mushroom risotto with a few slices of brie …

proof of a kind and benevolent god, it is …

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Okay – Time for the Civil Rights Movement part II. I’m sick of the States Right people!

I am a citizen of the United Stated of America first and a resident of Georgia second. I take great offense to the possibility of being denied a right that all other citizens in the United States would have access too.

We are split in this state just like we were during the 50’s and 60’s; letting the ruling class and their coherts dictate state law over US Law. Wiill Sonny Perdue stand in the front of Grady, Children’s Healthcare or Northside Hospitals; just to keep the “previously” uninsured from using their “new” health insurance? He’s definitely headed in that direction.

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You know Bonehead’s tirade is sad. But for one reason only. Because in reality he likely spoke the truth.

When he had countless opportunities to indict “Energy Policy” Dickhead and his puppet, the war-mongering George, for this VERY sin:

“Look at how this bill was written. Can you say it was done openly? With transparency and accountability? Without back room deals struck behind closed doors? Hidden from the people! HELL NO YOU CAN’T!”

What did that slimeball and his Mafia brothers say when it happened all the time from 2000 – 2008?

Not a single word.

Not an enraged peep.

THIS disgusting hypocrisy and two-faced b-llsh_t, as much as anything I know, explains why the GOP is so utterly derided today.

ZERO credibility. ZERO integrity.

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“while their rights are also being raped. ”

And that is the fundamental difference. I won’t speak for other “libs” but *I* see it as INCREASING our rights.

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Normal @ 12:47, hope you enjoy your higher premiums under this “reform” bill. You think they were going up now? Just wait until insurance companies have to cover everybody. You haven’t seen anything yet.

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Normal – and example:

The folks on the right

Love to talk about freedom

Whilst tapping your phones

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Doggone:

There has never been any doubt in my mind that you hold dem politicians in the highest regard, Higher than the regard you have for yourself.

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Rep. Cantor’s Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight

I’ve seen quite a few leftists here who hold Cantor in disdain. Do you have an alibi for last night?

Was it because he was a Jew or a Republican?

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Doggone/GA –
Sorry.. no link as of yet.. I caught it on a Q&A session this am on the news. I setup a google ticker to keep searching..

My question of the day is.. what is to keep the insurance and drug companies from passing on their new taxes and fee on to consumers?

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Paul,

“I’m not doing the ham. Bacon. And using the Bobby Flay technique of drizzling the bacon grease over the shrimp before serving.”

MMMMMmmmm…baconnnn…

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AmVet

You refuse to answer the real questions, but I’ll ask another question which you can’t answer: What did Bush do that affected every single person in the country?

Can you really not see the difference?

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Doggone

***I* see it as INCREASING our rights.**

Really? How?

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going broke – as promised

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

the chart you’re looking for is on the right … the one that shows that we’re moving in the right direction

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“What did Bush do that affected every single person in the country? ”

Used our tax money to pay for SOME OF a war of revenge

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Disgusted / Nightrain, et al:

Let’s hope it NEVER gets this bad (although I can think of some Constitutional issues that would start the ball rolling) in our lifetimes that our citizenry would resort to armed conflict against each other or the government. However, keep in mind that if it did ever get that bad (i.e., a president “suspends” portions of the Constitution due to some “crisis”), that whatever the issue(s) were, the military would also be affected. Maybe even more so. In other words, there would also be open rebellion (by one side or the other) and fragmentation in the 82nd Airborne and the 2nd Marine Division. They would no longer necessarily act in unison. That’s just the way it works. Civilian fathers who feel the drastic need to take up arms would have military sons who feel the same way.

The 2nd Amendment was not indcluded in our Constitution to protect gun collecting, hunting, target shooting or self-protection. Those were all assumed.

It was put there as a final check and balance against a runaway government (”being necessary to the security of a free State”). A correct reading of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc. proves it meant internal as well as external forces.

Have you ever heard one of our presidents or Secretary of State say in an interview regarding another country that we intend to negotiate but “all options are on the table” ?

That’s all the 2nd Amendment means. Worst case scenario ………. “all options are on the table”.

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“Really? How?”

And that’s why there’s a fundamental difference between us…you can’t even see the benefits of a healthier population. Free to pursue our other rights without the burden of fearing the loss of everything they have just because they have the misfortune to get too ill.

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NiF, do you live in Red-Herringville Georgia?

WTF does that strange “sidebar” of yours have to do with my assertion that Boehner’s hypocrisy vis a vis back room, closed door deals is pathetic?

Anybody here who can follow a simple train of thought, knows.Absolutely nothing.

So out of left fiend you raise this canard about Bush not “affecting every single person in the country.”

Jesus, Joseph and Mary…

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Going broke – “USinUK.. “fewer jobs were lost” that makes all the people not working feel so warm and fuzzy”

actually, it should – it says that the market is turning … which all other indicators are saying, as well (an increase in hours worked, an increase in capacity, an increase in productivity, an increase in the number of temporary workers, an increase in the number of part-time jobs)

but, feel free to sit and mope if it makes you feel better

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“And that was all Bush, huh?”

Nope, just an example…the one that always comes to my mind first.

“And isn’t it great how Obama has out a stop[ to all that.”

He’s working on it, but no he’s not going to be able to end it completely. Bush got us into a “you break it, you own it” scenario and it’s going to take a long time to get us out of that.

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AmVet,

“Boehner’s hypocrisy vis a vis back room, closed door deals is pathetic?”

Without hypocrisy, what does the Republican Party have left? Oh wait…they still have fear and bigotry.

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Doggone

**He’s working on it,**

Ahh. That makes it OK. He SAID he would fix it. Can you do me a favor and hold your breath until Obama stops doing exactly what Bush did? Go ahead and call 911 before you start. He ain’t changing anything.

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doggone – “Husteria much?” … considering who you’re talking to, all the time …

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Doggone

**Where in this bill does it do that? **

So you don’t even know what is in the bill. I see. You don’t even know that the bill will require families to buy health insurance and the IRS will be the enforcement arm of the insurance comapnies

That explains it.

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USinUK.. if you click the google chart.. it is the BLS site that it’s linked to.

Doggone – I am all for a healthier population.. so can we do something about the fat people and the smokers? Why should someone have to pay higher taxes for someone else to be a slug?

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“all the time …”

yep! But I haven’t yet lost ALL hope, though it’s getting tougher to hand on to.

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going broke – well, I sent you today’s release, anyway, complete with updated bar chart

mr_b – “(UK was #1 by a long shot)” yep … nuttin’ like a little Empire action to boost GDP …

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jewcowboy – 1:10 –

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USinUK

**actually, you wouldn’t know if they did (or still are) as the gummint fought releasing that data under the guise of “national security”*

Say they did. What a waste of time.

So because someone listened to a phone call I was making to a vender, that equates to the government forcing it’s way to control 1/6th of the economy.

You guys have a good day. It used to make me mad to see people who are so indoctrinated as to compare issues like that. Now it just makes me sad. I just hope we can flip this congress before they do any more damage.

BTW, USinUK, enjoy your Universal Health Coverage. We don’t have that here. We just have a government that makes us buy health insurance and a really dumb political party that goes along with it and just calls it Universal Health Care.

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“so can we do something about the fat people and the smokers?”

Like what?

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“there is still plenty of room for debate over whether health insurance and/or health care is a right.”

Funny…I never viewed healthcare as a right, but rather as a national obligation once a country achieves a certain level of wealth.

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**I’ve always liked the guy with the biggest stick personally**

So did the members of the National Socialist Workers Party.

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Possibly. But healthcare reform will be easier to correct if they have gotten it wrong.

1. There isn’t an “if”.
2. This is one of those things where they should get right in the first place. All that “we won’t know what’s in it until is passes” is very very scary. They don’t know what’s in it but they passed it anyways….

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So sad … the funny

slips right by NIF, not

so much as a snort …

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M Percy, I’m bored with the same old RepDem vs. DemRep stuff here.

I have never posted at her place, but how is it that you were banned there?

(Of course, it’s really none of my beeswax, but clearly you are promoting the event. And if you wish to decline, no worries…)

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Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“So did the members of the National Socialist Workers Party.”

And Charlie Crist, Larry Craig, Ed Schrock, David Dreier, Jim McCrery….

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@@ – “Always somebody else’s fault. This may come as a shock to you, but I can do as I please, MISSY!”

oh, we know you do and think as you please … logic be damned …

but, like I said, when you have a year + of “gummint and politicians are bad” shouted from the rooftops and talk radio, then don’t be surprised when the mob you’ve whipped into a frenzy turns against your own …

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Seeya expat. Enjoy your evening…

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“So all these news stories on ALL the major networks about forcing Americans to buy heath care are just made up?”

Nope, but what you said about people being forced to give up food and school supplies WAS.

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M Percy (Banned by Cynthia Tucker),

“I might be tempted to agree with you if we weren’t $14T in the hole and sinking fast.”

It comes down to the choices the government makes…we could afford to do many things to help our own population if we chose different priorities…

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but, like I said, when you have a year + of “gummint and politicians are bad” shouted from the rooftops and talk radio, then don’t be surprised when the mob you’ve whipped into a frenzy turns against your own …

And when you have 6 years of “Iraq is an unjust and illegal war and that our soldiers are bad” from the rooftops and left-wing pundits, don’t be surprised when some anti-war activist or AQ type murders a recruit or two.

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Oh, is this going to be interesting !!! Jay ……… what are your thoughts on this one ???

Headline: “France to ban veil says Nicolas Sarkozy”

“The move would protect the dignity of women, the president added:

“The full veil is contrary to the dignity of women,” he said. “The response is to ban it. The Government will table a draft law prohibiting it.”

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AmVet @1:19 pm

I was banned for pointing out on several occasions that Ms. Tucker was becoming a tad lazy, since more and more of her “columns” contained less and less of Ms. Tucker’s writing and more and more cut&paste from other sources (attributed, always).

Here’s the short exchange:

M Percy

March 23rd, 2010
10:25 am

93 words from Ms. Tucker. 356 words she borrowed from the WSJ. Barely topped 20% today. Of course, I come here for the comments, which are always more interesting that anything Ms. Tucker cut&pastes.

ctucker

March 23rd, 2010
10:27 am

M Percy, Since you dislike my blog so much, I’m banning you from it.

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M Percy (Banned by Cynthia Tucker),

“What we disagree on is simply what we believe is the line for prudent, necessary, and affordable.”

Very true…

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Hey, the siren just went off over at the golf course nearby. Does that mean there are “wild women” in the area?

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I think we Independents should just get rid of all you left and right wingers. It’s people like you that are ruining this country. Y’all are the ones that have made most of the decisions that have screwed the place up beyond repair. It amazes me how people follow these lunatics come election time though. Both sides are nothing but corrupt trash anyway. Almost every decision made at any level of government helps one side or the other, and leaves the people with common sense, Independents, taking the brunt of the screw job.

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Mornin’.

erm, Jay, didja really mean to delete the whole danged thread about Newt/Erick, and leave just yesterday’s up there?

(Not that I’m opposed to deleting Newt and Erick.)

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Good morning Stands, and Happy Friday! Have we entered an alternate universe? Is there anybody out there???

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jey – it’s friday … have another cup o’ joe …

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Whiner’s not here, when you deleted Newt, you don’t think…?

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so 300 million cut from GA’s universities, now Cobb County alone has to add another 37 million in cuts to thier schools making a total of 137 million (bet they’d like that 10 million back the bible stickers in biology books cost them right about now) and Sonny “pray for rain” and “go fish” thinks it’s a good idea to pursue a lawsuit that will affect us all regardless of GA’s involvement or not… Poor hapless sonny… Somebody needs to remind him he can’t run again, and the last year of 8 lame duck years, in the middle of the worst recession in memory (caused by his party), is not the time to asscert hisself and waste our tax dollars for NO REASON WHATSOEVER….

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Normal – right back at ya, my friendly!!

and, just for you … a Friday haiku:

the sun is shining

the daffodils are blooming

bring on the baseball!

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Funny thing is, I had just posted a sincere apology to “RB from Gwinnett” because I had completely misunderstood something he’d posted last night, when the thread went bye-bye.

I thought it might’ve been God telling me not to be such a pu$sy.

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Normal – despite the forecast for a crappy Thursday – Sunday, the sun is shining this morning and the daffodils are, in fact, blooming!

it’s feeling like a whole buncha spring!

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(And RB from Gwinnett, if you are around, I am truly sorry for misreading what you wrote last night about Boortz and Rush being on while you work. My cheap shot at you was utterly unwarranted. And I don’t mind sounding like a pu$sy for admitting it, either.)

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meanwhile … the GOP Inquisition continues:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502336.html?nav=hcmodule

that’s right, GOP – you keep aiming farther and farther right … we’ll keep beating you at the polls …

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test:

Inquisition

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test:

debacle for republicans

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USinUK,
“it’s feeling like a whole buncha spring!”

In our case, as you probably remember, it means it feels itchy, sniffy and sneezy…

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Taxpayer, whiner dissapeared when the thread did…Twilight Zone…

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Has anyone seen Ork?

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Too much talk of freedom?

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TaxPayer – 8:05 – you were just a bit premature on that one … or whiner was a bit slow (8:14) …

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you were just a bit premature on that one

The story of my life… well, except for that one time.

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Get out of our lives! No more taxes! No more government in private business!

By the way, before you go, I need you to give me a job, NOW!

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Today’s Thought.

“Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.” ~George Carlin

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No way dude. Brother, she would rock your world…

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Mick and OGK’s excellent imitation of middle-schoolers is probably due to my immoderate verbiage @ 7.40. These lads follow my example, and I set a poor one.

(Also, it is my world, they’re just living in it.)

Really must run. Don’t blow up the blog, Jay! so many lives depend on you.

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jt – “But to have Defense contractors do it??????????? ”

you do realize that defense contractors have been administering things like child support recovery, don’t you (they’ve been doing that since the mid-90s)

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I guess Obama should have spent billions on them anyway, just to make sure you and the WSJ has a happee ending.

fyt.

(really going now.)

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US, interesting op-ed about Liberal Democrat Vince Cable in today’s NYTimes.

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Thanks dB…whatever thats supposed to mean.

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I’m not finding it …. got a linkee?

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War Pigs…

Ozzys live version!

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