Are state Republicans about to take plunge into the absurd?
I swear, Georgia Republicans have mashed their “stupid pedal” to the floorboard and it’s gotten stuck there.
First they tried to pass a constitutional amendment in the state Senate to declare that no Georgian could be mandated by government to buy health insurance, as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law. The amendment failed.
(The amendment was sponsored by state Sen. Judson Hill, who three years earlier had introduced legislation that would have — wait for it — forced Georgians to buy health insurance, even giving state officials the power to garnish wages of those who refused. At the time, Hill attributed the legislation to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is now one of the sternest critics of “Obamacare”. In other words, mandated health insurance was a good idea until it became part of the Democratic health-reform bill, at which point it became unconstitutional and the most dire threat to American liberty since General Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown.)
Frustrated in the Senate, Republicans then tried to pass a similar constitutional amendment in the House.
They failed. Again.
Meanwhile, Gov. Sonny Perdue has been stamping his feet like a petulant three-year-old, insisting that Attorney General Thurbert Baker enlist Georgia in a lawsuit filed by 14 other states challenging the constitutionality of the health-reform bill. Baker refused, citing its cost and the exceedingly small chance of success.
“While I understand that the new law is the subject of ongoing debate here in Georgia and around the nation, I do not believe that Georgia has a viable legal claim against the United States,” Baker wrote Perdue. “Considering our state’s current severe budgetary crisis, with vital services like education and law enforcement being cut deeply, I cannot justify a decision to initiate expensive and time-consuming litigation that I believe has
no legal merit.”
Baker’s right. I’m no lawyer, but I’ve read my share of lawsuits. This one (available here) reads like a poorly drafted oped piece, not a legal argument. It cites no case law, no precedent. It is a multi-page whine. Most lawyers, conservative or liberal, agree that the argument behind it is absurd.
“The states cannot just say ‘not for us;’ that’s the theory that was around before the Civil War,” Harvard Law professor Charles Fried, the solicitor general under Ronald Reagan, has been quoted as saying. “It’s truly silly.”
Furthermore, adding Georgia to the list of states challenging the law would change absolutely nothing. The suit will succeed or fail — almost certainly the latter — on its merits. To hear House Majority Leader Jerry Keen wail that Baker’s decision is “pure politics,” as if the lawsuit itself was not motivated solely by politics, is to witness hypocrisy flowing pure and sweet from its source.
But all that may have been mere prelude. Still ahead may be the point that, stupid pedal to the metal, the GOP does its “Thelma and Louise” act, driving off the cliff and plunging into the abyss.
The latest rumor is, House members are circulating a resolution to impeach Baker. Seriously. And Perdue and Gingrich have called a press conference this morning, which I will be hastening to attend. The circus is in town and I’m gonna get a ticket.
However, I must say I’m encouraged by at least one thing. Here I was worried that our state leaders had an awful lot on their plate, what with trying to balance a devastated state budget and fix transportation and deal with the ongoing water crisis, etc. But apparently I was wrong. Apparently, our legislators and governor have so little to worry about here in the little state of Georgia, the piece of real estate over which they have real influence, that they feel free to divert a lot of their time, energy and intellect telling Washington what it ought to do.
Well, their time and energy anyway.
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Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
11:42 am
HCare…85% who have HCare must now be forced, YET AGAIN to pay or help pay for those who refuse to day anything…ie BUMS.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
11:43 am
“YET AGAIN to pay or help pay for those who refuse to day anything”
Not “yet again”…still.
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
11:43 am
Night Train, informative and humorous. Thanks…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maz9ddxEQnM
FinnMcCool
March 25th, 2010
11:45 am
Your Taxes – Up = Passed on to you
Those poor, poor people making more than $250,000. OH, how ever will they manage?
Hold a cup out and repeat: “Alms for the wealthy…alms for the wealthy”
Jackie
March 25th, 2010
11:46 am
We are required to have auto insurance for any vehicle we operate on public highways; we are required to pay Medicare taxes when we work; we are required to pay gasoline taxes to maintain to highways that we use; we are required to pay taxes to maintain the infrastructure; our children are required to take a series of vaccinations to be enrolled in public or private schools; our children are required to attend school until a certain age.
Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering when the idea behind the health care reform is to provide medical access to everyone at a lower cost, adding portability to individual health care coverage by not typing that coverage to any employer; reducing the overhead associated with all business by not requiring coverage to be part of benefits packages, lowering cost of doing business and giving individuals more flexibility.
A healthier population is cheaper to maintain.
Keep up the good fight!
March 25th, 2010
11:46 am
pea….. I agree anyone without a body does not need health insurance. I’ll even go one further….no one who is dead needs health insurance. Now you are comparing apples to apples in your NYC discussion.
Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
11:47 am
Launch of the “Tattletale” “Wussy” Hotline… Shameful
NJ high schools to launch bullying, threat hotline
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/education&id=7346107
NowReally
March 25th, 2010
11:47 am
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
11:31 am
Then just because you say so, it makes it okay for the state of Georgia to make me pay auto insurance, just because I drive a car. You don’t make me pay house insurance, why car insurance? Someone could get hurt when they visit my property, just like with my car. Or a tree on my property could fall on a passing car, or a neighbors house, car, etc….
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
11:48 am
KUTGF @ 11:46. Thank goodness I haven’t lunch yet. I would have spit my drink out on the screen laughing so hard.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
11:48 am
“Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering”
And that is why my preference is for single-payer. Pass a “healthcare tax” and then use it to fund single-payer coverage. We’ll “all” still be “forced” to pay for it, but it will be a legal tax.
Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
11:49 am
“A healthier population is cheaper to maintain.”
Oh thats right…its for our own good.
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
11:49 am
NowReally @ 11:47…see my 11:48 post. That goes for your comment as well.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
11:50 am
“Oh thats right…its for our own good.”
Actually, yes, it is. For reference, see my concerns about communicable diseases.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
11:50 am
Well, liberals are stupid so I guess they figure the rest of us are to-
On the merits of the issue, I agree with health reform’s supporters that one’s decision not to buy health insurance has economic ripple effects. Basically, it turns you into a free-rider and that imposes costs on everyone else in the risk pool. As Prof. Erwin Chemerinsky recently put it: “There is no constitutionally protected freedom to be able to refuse to be insured or to avoid paying for the benefits provided.”
So we have to pay two trillion dollars to insure the “free riders” who somehow are now getting free care without spending the two trillion, eh?
The largest tax increase in history, not to provide “health care,” but to grow government.
You have to be blind not to see through this sham, just sayin….
Whacks Eloquent
March 25th, 2010
11:51 am
Democrats missing the obvious here – if they want to convince the public that Obamacare is good, announce that they are going to change to using it themselves. And any politician that voted against that would have to deal with the PR nightmare that he/she deserves. If it’s good enough for us, it’s good enough for them…
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
11:52 am
thomas – “Its a little bigger than 500sq. ft. now since you rowed across the pond and all. not much bigger but bigger”
my butt is big, but, criminey, it’s not THAT big!!
Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
11:53 am
“Actually, yes, it is. For reference, see my concerns about communicable diseases.”
No it isnt…commnicable diseases affect the 99% who engage in activities that would cause such. Just more petty excuses.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
11:54 am
OGK – “Oh thats right…its for our own good.”
yes. just like innoculation programs. just like public hospitals. just like public education, for that matter.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
11:55 am
OGK – “No it isnt…commnicable diseases affect the 99% who engage in activities that would cause such”
you do realize that you can catch different strains of hepatitis without actually doing anything illicit, don’t you …
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
11:55 am
“commnicable diseases affect the 99% who engage in activities that would cause such”
Umm hmm. I guess you’ve forgotten, already, the flap about the person who took a plane trip while still carrying an active case of TB. I guess all those other people in the plane would have been personally responsible if they’d caught TB from him. After all, they had a CHOICE whether to be in that plane or not, right?
I don’t know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when they use to force people to stay in their homes – quarentined from the general population – to help prevent the spread of such communicable disesases.
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
11:55 am
Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering
Because they lost, they are adrift, and it’s all they have.
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
11:57 am
WellPoint stock up $.26 today….up $25.64 over the last year of healthcare reform debate…Aetna up $11.44 for the past year…down $.01 since Monday…what happened to Armageddon?
Cherokee
March 25th, 2010
12:01 pm
Whacks eloquent – they did that already. It’s in the bill….
Cherokee
March 25th, 2010
12:01 pm
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=5158255&ref=fpblg
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:02 pm
jewcowboy – http://blog.washingtonpost.com/tomtoles/2010/03/health-care_horrors.html
as Count Floyd used to say …. “oooooo … scary”
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:04 pm
USinUK,
Very funny
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
12:14 pm
USinUK, I really need to check Toles’ page more often. Not only is the guy’s work almost uniformly wonderful, you get to see his outtakes…
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/tomtoles/2010/03/23/s_03242010.gif
@@
March 25th, 2010
12:14 pm
The amendment failed.
Noooooooooo!!!!!
jay, I have no idea where this litigation will lead, but if the voters want their elected officials to proceed, and many of them do, our representatives should do as they’re told. Novel idea, don’tcha think?
Anyhoo, I still have a hard time seeing how Roe v Wade prohibits the government from interfering in a woman’s choice but can now interfere in mine. I’m female.
DANG! it’s contradictions like ^^^ that that muddies the waters.
Whatever…..here’$$$$ to your health!
Bosch
March 25th, 2010
12:15 pm
Paul,
“Screw cholesterol. That’s why God invented Lipitor!”
For real. When it comes to cheesy shrimp grits (with bacon? Holy hell, what are you trying to do to me?). Maybe you can crush up the Lipitor and sprinkle it on like a garnish.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:18 pm
“our representatives should do as they’re told. Novel idea, don’tcha think?”
Actually, no they shouldn’t. We don’t elect robots, we elect people…with opinions and agendas. We vote for those closest to our own ideas, we hope. But in the end they will still vote their own consciences (we hope) and ideas and agendas.
Plus, they can’t voted both sides of a question. If they vote “as they are told” by one side, they are…by definition…”disobeying” what they are told by the other.
jefferson
March 25th, 2010
12:18 pm
When you know everything, nobody can tell you anything.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2010
12:19 pm
Why are many hand-wringing and fear-mongering
Because they lost, they are adrift, and it’s all they have.
It’s much more than that. Massive amounts of fear was injected into the opposition to health care reform, and now that this will become law, all that is left is the fear. One way to mitigate that fear is to infect in others so that these ‘fraidy cats wont feel so all alone.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:23 pm
“One way to mitigate that fear is to infect in others so that these ‘fraidy cats wont feel so all alone”
And those of us who can’t be persuaded to share their fear frighten them even more, because we can’t be controlled by hysteria.
Bosch
March 25th, 2010
12:24 pm
Jay,
At the meeting today, I double dog dare you to yell out “The stupid, it burns!!!”
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:24 pm
Perhaps Sonny can pray for the money for his lawsuit…or pray that GOD will intervene against Socialism…
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:28 pm
Or better yet…maybe Sonny and the Republican “leaders” can pray for an instructional guide on how to remove their heads from their posteriors…
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
12:30 pm
” We vote for those closest to our own ideas, we hope.”
I want to add that we vote for them hoping they’ll do what they say and not lie right to our face.
Paul
March 25th, 2010
12:30 pm
Bosch
Yous can still catch it –
http://www.foodnetwork.com/throwdown-with-bobby-flay/shrimp-and-grits/index.html
Kamchak
March 25th, 2010
12:30 pm
Or better yet…maybe Sonny and the Republican “leaders” can pray for an instructional guide on how to remove their heads from their posteriors…
God does Power Point?
Paul
March 25th, 2010
12:32 pm
Bosch
This is the Cheesy Shrimp and Grits King’s recipe
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/shrimp-and-grits-recipe/index.html
GoingBroke
March 25th, 2010
12:32 pm
FinnMcCool – If you made over 250,000 a year… .50 or more could go to taxes, depending on state, federal, etc.
the other little item.. is they have pretty much admitted that taxes will be going up on EVERYONE.. not just the people making over 250..
IRS
March 25th, 2010
12:33 pm
You poor little people who are worried about paying a fine for not getting health insurance can quit your worrying. I promise you I will not be wasting my time with you. I’ve got much more important things to take care of. So, do not get insurance if you do not want. I really do not care. And if you get sick and need help, take your chances at the ER or your local doctor or whatever. Maybe they’ll feel sorry for you or maybe not.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:34 pm
“is they have pretty much admitted that taxes will be going up on EVERYONE.. not just the people making over 250..”
Do you have a cite for that? An URL maybe? Something?
Bosch
March 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
Paul,
Oooooooo. What if I don’t have Wild Georgia Shrimp? Will the tame ones do?
That recipe looks GOOD!!! Man, oh man!!!
Have I ever mentioned that I really like Cheesy Shrimp Grits?
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
doggone … but “they” said it … so you know it’s true
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
Kamchak,
“God does Power Point?”
Nah..only the Devil…it was in his pact with Bill Gates.
Bosch
March 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
I have just come to the conclusion that the GOP has lost their freaking minds. It’s really outright pathetic the way they are acting. I weep.
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
Hold a cup out and repeat: “Alms for the wealthy…alms for the wealthy”
Finn, very funny!
Damn Republicans and their socialistic income redistribution. Upwards!
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
“but “they” said it … so you know it’s true”
I know, I know…and I’m not supposed to challenge them on “opinions” either!
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
bosch – have you made your cheesy shrimp grits with polenta? mmmmm … cheesy polenta with parmesan and reggiano …
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:38 pm
Doggone – “I’m not supposed to challenge them on “opinions” either”
you know the saying … everyone is entitled to their own opinions … they’re just not entitled to their own facts …
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
12:39 pm
“I have just come to the conclusion that the GOP has lost their freaking minds”
So has everyone who believes Pelosi and Obama that this bill will lower premiums!
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:40 pm
“everyone is entitled to their own opinions … they’re just not entitled to their own facts …”
I do indeed…now all we have to figure out is a way to teach it to “them”!
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:40 pm
Bosch / Paul,
“Have I ever mentioned that I really like Cheesy Shrimp Grits?”
The key to making great grits is to replace the water with whole milk or heavy cream…and instead of boiling for 5 – 10 minutes, simmer them for 2 – 3 hours, adding cream along the way to keep it from thickening…for cheese add a wheel of brie with the rind cut off and top with white truffle oil…
Not good for the heart…but wonderful for the soul.
Paul
March 25th, 2010
12:41 pm
Bosch
Sure, if you don’t have the wild shrimp tame ones’ll do.
Just be sure to take off the leash before you fry’em.
I’m not doing the ham. Bacon. And using the Bobby Flay technique of drizzling the bacon grease over the shrimp before serving.
Yea…. Lipitor’ll make a good garnish….
USinUK
Italians are southerners at heart! I’m using a fine polenta – really nice cut and size. Mmmmmm….
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:41 pm
oh, and since it’s thursday … new jobless numbers keep heading in the right direction, falling more than expected on the week:
The four-week moving average of claims, a less volatile measure than the weekly figures, decreased to 453,750 last week, the lowest level since September 2008, from 464,750.
The number of people continuing to receive jobless benefits decreased 54,000 in the week ended March 13 to 4.65 million, the lowest since Dec. 20, 2008.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aRjQPuqaM_0U
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:43 pm
Paul – “Italians are southerners at heart”
I’m soooooooo telling my dad that one! my grandma came over from the old country, so my dad is first generation Italian-American … born and raised in Brooklyn, moved to Atlanta in 1965 … I think he’ll agree with you.
Bosch
March 25th, 2010
12:43 pm
Polenta? White Truffle Oil? Bacon drippings? Brie? Good lord, I’ve gone into a cheesy shrimp grit fit. Quick! Somebody fluff the pillows on my swooning couch!
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:44 pm
I love to watch liberals complaining about Conservatives while their rights are also being raped.
Libs, your problem isn’t the Republicans. Your problem is that all this power that your little power hungry fascists are stealing will be in the hands of Republicans after November.
And I have to say, you deserve to have your liberties stolen. You have asked for it.
The rest of us have not.
The facts are that Americans that can’t feed their own families will be forced to buy health insurance. Please, all you experts of healthcare, explain how I am wrong.
Or you could just keep attacking anyone who would dare speak out against the “State”
How many government controlled stooges do we have in America? I hope not as many as are on this blog. .
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:45 pm
Bosch – if you want to play with melt-y brie, top a nice hot bowl of wild mushroom risotto with a few slices of brie …
proof of a kind and benevolent god, it is …
Normal
March 25th, 2010
12:47 pm
Haiku:
Rant and rave
your day is done
our day has begun
sing the praise
NowReally
March 25th, 2010
12:47 pm
Okay – Time for the Civil Rights Movement part II. I’m sick of the States Right people!
I am a citizen of the United Stated of America first and a resident of Georgia second. I take great offense to the possibility of being denied a right that all other citizens in the United States would have access too.
We are split in this state just like we were during the 50’s and 60’s; letting the ruling class and their coherts dictate state law over US Law. Wiill Sonny Perdue stand in the front of Grady, Children’s Healthcare or Northside Hospitals; just to keep the “previously” uninsured from using their “new” health insurance? He’s definitely headed in that direction.
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:47 pm
Bosch and Paul,
I forgot the white wine…you must add white wine when adding the cream…preferably a Prosecco. And for every ounce you pour into the pot, make sure you follow Justin Wilson’s lead and pour equal amounts for the cook.
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
You know Bonehead’s tirade is sad. But for one reason only. Because in reality he likely spoke the truth.
When he had countless opportunities to indict “Energy Policy” Dickhead and his puppet, the war-mongering George, for this VERY sin:
“Look at how this bill was written. Can you say it was done openly? With transparency and accountability? Without back room deals struck behind closed doors? Hidden from the people! HELL NO YOU CAN’T!”
What did that slimeball and his Mafia brothers say when it happened all the time from 2000 – 2008?
Not a single word.
Not an enraged peep.
THIS disgusting hypocrisy and two-faced b-llsh_t, as much as anything I know, explains why the GOP is so utterly derided today.
ZERO credibility. ZERO integrity.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
Normal – haiku fail … 5 – 7 – 5 is the pattern you need
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
“while their rights are also being raped. ”
And that is the fundamental difference. I won’t speak for other “libs” but *I* see it as INCREASING our rights.
GoingBroke
March 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
USinUK… ahh.. it looks so much better now..
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rates
Peadawg
March 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
Normal @ 12:47, hope you enjoy your higher premiums under this “reform” bill. You think they were going up now? Just wait until insurance companies have to cover everybody. You haven’t seen anything yet.
Paul
March 25th, 2010
12:49 pm
jewcowboy
Thanks! I’ll definitely try that one. I’m aware of the time to cook – I saw “My Cousin Vinny.” And I’ve a bottle of truffle oil, so I’ll use that with a more delicate cheese like Brie – and I doubt I’ll go for Cajun-spiced shrimp with that.
It’s okay, Bosch – I’ll just add more cheese!
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:49 pm
Normal – and example:
The folks on the right
Love to talk about freedom
Whilst tapping your phones
Normal
March 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
USinUK,
DANG!!!
@@
March 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
Doggone:
There has never been any doubt in my mind that you hold dem politicians in the highest regard, Higher than the regard you have for yourself.
———————————————————
Rep. Cantor’s Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight
I’ve seen quite a few leftists here who hold Cantor in disdain. Do you have an alibi for last night?
Was it because he was a Jew or a Republican?
Chris Salzmann
March 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
On the funny side, here’s a headline about Health Care Reforms that might give some insight into the roots of Republican issues concerning President Obama.
http://www.visualeditors.com/apple/2010/03/headline-fail/
Read and enjoy…………………………..
GoingBroke
March 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
Doggone/GA –
Sorry.. no link as of yet.. I caught it on a Q&A session this am on the news. I setup a google ticker to keep searching..
My question of the day is.. what is to keep the insurance and drug companies from passing on their new taxes and fee on to consumers?
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
NowReally
What right would that be? The right to be forced to buy something that is extremely expensive and no one can afford or the right to go on medicaid?
Can you actually name a right that is being given or taken? Unless you are broke, this give you no rights . If it give you rights only if you plan to stay broke and on the government dole.
Soory if the specifics are too much to think about.
Some of us just don’t buy the “Healthcare for all Americans” crap that you guys bought into.
How about working on getting an economy that produces private sector jobs?
Too much to ask from socialists?
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
12:52 pm
Paul,
“I’m not doing the ham. Bacon. And using the Bobby Flay technique of drizzling the bacon grease over the shrimp before serving.”
MMMMMmmmm…baconnnn…
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:53 pm
Going broke –
http://trueslant.com/justingardner/files/2009/12/Chart-of-Unemployment-Rate-November-2009.jpg
will try to find you the latest from the BLS
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
AmVet
You refuse to answer the real questions, but I’ll ask another question which you can’t answer: What did Bush do that affected every single person in the country?
Can you really not see the difference?
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
Whoever shot out Cantor’s window?
A Republican plant. Or is it prop?
(J/K, doing my Dave R. routine…)
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
Doggone
***I* see it as INCREASING our rights.**
Really? How?
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:55 pm
“There has never been any doubt in my mind that you hold dem politicians in the highest regard, Higher than the regard you have for yourself.”
That says more about you and your attitudes, than it does about me. I’m already on record here as despising ALL politicians and holding the opinion that when they get something right, it’s usually because they weren’t paying enough attention.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:55 pm
going broke – as promised
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
the chart you’re looking for is on the right … the one that shows that we’re moving in the right direction
GoingBroke
March 25th, 2010
12:56 pm
USinUK.. “fewer jobs were lost” that makes all the people not working feel so warm and fuzzy..
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:56 pm
“What did Bush do that affected every single person in the country? ”
Used our tax money to pay for SOME OF a war of revenge
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
USinUK
**Whilst tapping your phones**
Your phones were tapped? Mine wasn’t, and if they were, it wouldn’t force me to buy something I don’t want.
So this is the lib comparison.
Bush tapped our phones:
Obama pushed through legislature that will give government control of our daily lives.
You can’t be this dumb.
Scout
March 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
Disgusted / Nightrain, et al:
Let’s hope it NEVER gets this bad (although I can think of some Constitutional issues that would start the ball rolling) in our lifetimes that our citizenry would resort to armed conflict against each other or the government. However, keep in mind that if it did ever get that bad (i.e., a president “suspends” portions of the Constitution due to some “crisis”), that whatever the issue(s) were, the military would also be affected. Maybe even more so. In other words, there would also be open rebellion (by one side or the other) and fragmentation in the 82nd Airborne and the 2nd Marine Division. They would no longer necessarily act in unison. That’s just the way it works. Civilian fathers who feel the drastic need to take up arms would have military sons who feel the same way.
The 2nd Amendment was not indcluded in our Constitution to protect gun collecting, hunting, target shooting or self-protection. Those were all assumed.
It was put there as a final check and balance against a runaway government (”being necessary to the security of a free State”). A correct reading of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc. proves it meant internal as well as external forces.
Have you ever heard one of our presidents or Secretary of State say in an interview regarding another country that we intend to negotiate but “all options are on the table” ?
That’s all the 2nd Amendment means. Worst case scenario ………. “all options are on the table”.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:58 pm
“Was it because he was a Jew or a Republican?”
sorry, missy, you can’t cheer people on to be anti-government then act surprised when some of your own get swept up in the mobs that you created.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
12:59 pm
“Really? How?”
And that’s why there’s a fundamental difference between us…you can’t even see the benefits of a healthier population. Free to pursue our other rights without the burden of fearing the loss of everything they have just because they have the misfortune to get too ill.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
12:59 pm
NIF – “Mine wasn’t, and if they were, it wouldn’t force me to buy something I don’t want”
actually, you wouldn’t know if they did (or still are) as the gummint fought releasing that data under the guise of “national security”
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
12:59 pm
NiF, do you live in Red-Herringville Georgia?
WTF does that strange “sidebar” of yours have to do with my assertion that Boehner’s hypocrisy vis a vis back room, closed door deals is pathetic?
Anybody here who can follow a simple train of thought, knows.Absolutely nothing.
So out of left fiend you raise this canard about Bush not “affecting every single person in the country.”
Jesus, Joseph and Mary…
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
12:59 pm
Doggone
**Used our tax money to pay for SOME OF a war of revenge**
THat’s it? And that was all Bush, huh? And isn’t it great how Obama has out a stop[ to all that.
This is why libs refuse to debate the issues. They sound like imbeciles when they try to compare where our tax money goes to the government forcing everyone to buy health insurance.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
1:01 pm
Going broke – “USinUK.. “fewer jobs were lost” that makes all the people not working feel so warm and fuzzy”
actually, it should – it says that the market is turning … which all other indicators are saying, as well (an increase in hours worked, an increase in capacity, an increase in productivity, an increase in the number of temporary workers, an increase in the number of part-time jobs)
but, feel free to sit and mope if it makes you feel better
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
Doggone
**And that’s why there’s a fundamental difference between us…you can’t even see the benefits of a healthier population.**
I can definitely see the advantage. I just know of nothing in this bill that will result in a healthier population. Forcing 15 million onto the medicaid system is not a healthier country. It is a more welfare dependent country. Forcing families to buy insurance instead of food and school supplies is good for who again?
The insurance companies you say?
Say it ain’t so.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
“And that was all Bush, huh?”
Nope, just an example…the one that always comes to my mind first.
“And isn’t it great how Obama has out a stop[ to all that.”
He’s working on it, but no he’s not going to be able to end it completely. Bush got us into a “you break it, you own it” scenario and it’s going to take a long time to get us out of that.
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
Left fiend?
Freudian slip?
Too funny.
Make that left field!
jewcowboy
March 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
AmVet,
“Boehner’s hypocrisy vis a vis back room, closed door deals is pathetic?”
Without hypocrisy, what does the Republican Party have left? Oh wait…they still have fear and bigotry.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
“Forcing families to buy insurance instead of food and school supplies is good for who again?”
Where in this bill does it do that? I seem to recall a provision to assist those who can’t afford the payment. I don’t recall anything that says they will be forced to give up food and school supplies.
Husteria much?
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
Doggone
**He’s working on it,**
Ahh. That makes it OK. He SAID he would fix it. Can you do me a favor and hold your breath until Obama stops doing exactly what Bush did? Go ahead and call 911 before you start. He ain’t changing anything.
Doggone/GA
March 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
oops! “Hysteria” not Husteria!
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
doggone – “Husteria much?” … considering who you’re talking to, all the time …