Are state Republicans about to take plunge into the absurd?

I swear, Georgia Republicans have mashed their “stupid pedal” to the floorboard and it’s gotten stuck there.

First they tried to pass a constitutional amendment in the state Senate to declare that no Georgian could be mandated by government to buy health insurance, as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law. The amendment failed.

(The amendment was sponsored by state Sen. Judson Hill, who three years earlier had introduced legislation that would have — wait for it — forced Georgians to buy health insurance, even giving state officials the power to garnish wages of those who refused. At the time, Hill attributed the legislation to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is now one of the sternest critics of “Obamacare”. In other words, mandated health insurance was a good idea until it became part of the Democratic health-reform bill, at which point it became unconstitutional and the most dire threat to American liberty since General Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown.)

Frustrated in the Senate, Republicans then tried to pass a similar constitutional amendment in the House.

They failed. Again.

Meanwhile, Gov. Sonny Perdue has been stamping his feet like a petulant three-year-old, insisting that Attorney General Thurbert Baker enlist Georgia in a lawsuit filed by 14 other states challenging the constitutionality of the health-reform bill. Baker refused, citing its cost and the exceedingly small chance of success.

“While I understand that the new law is the subject of ongoing debate here in Georgia and around the nation, I do not believe that Georgia has a viable legal claim against the United States,” Baker wrote Perdue. “Considering our state’s current severe budgetary crisis, with vital services like education and law enforcement being cut deeply, I cannot justify a decision to initiate expensive and time-consuming litigation that I believe has
no legal merit.”

Baker’s right. I’m no lawyer, but I’ve read my share of lawsuits. This one (available here) reads like a poorly drafted oped piece, not a legal argument. It cites no case law, no precedent. It is a multi-page whine. Most lawyers, conservative or liberal, agree that the argument behind it is absurd.

“The states cannot just say ‘not for us;’ that’s the theory that was around before the Civil War,” Harvard Law professor Charles Fried, the solicitor general under Ronald Reagan, has been quoted as saying. “It’s truly silly.”

Furthermore, adding Georgia to the list of states challenging the law would change absolutely nothing. The suit will succeed or fail — almost certainly the latter — on its merits. To hear House Majority Leader Jerry Keen wail that Baker’s decision is “pure politics,” as if the lawsuit itself was not motivated solely by politics, is to witness hypocrisy flowing pure and sweet from its source.

But all that may have been mere prelude. Still ahead may be the point that, stupid pedal to the metal, the GOP does its “Thelma and Louise” act, driving off the cliff and plunging into the abyss.

The latest rumor is, House members are circulating a resolution to impeach Baker. Seriously. And Perdue and Gingrich have called a press conference this morning, which I will be hastening to attend. The circus is in town and I’m gonna get a ticket.

However, I must say I’m encouraged by at least one thing. Here I was worried that our state leaders had an awful lot on their plate, what with trying to balance a devastated state budget and fix transportation and deal with the ongoing water crisis, etc. But apparently I was wrong. Apparently, our legislators and governor have so little to worry about here in the little state of Georgia, the piece of real estate over which they have real influence, that they feel free to divert a lot of their time, energy and intellect telling Washington what it ought to do.

Well, their time and energy anyway.

509 comments Add your comment

Scooter

March 25th, 2010
8:39 am

Scooter

March 25th, 2010
8:40 am

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
8:40 am

“It is a multi-page whine”

they’re just doing what they do best …

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2010
8:40 am

sponsored by state Sen. Judson Hill, who three years earlier had introduced legislation that would have — wait for it — forced Georgians to buy health insurance

it burns!

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
8:40 am

hey scooter-puss!!

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2010
8:41 am

(the stupid, that is.)

Outhouse GoKart

March 25th, 2010
8:43 am

Thurbert Baker needs to spend his time and money on purchasing a new wig.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!

March 25th, 2010
8:43 am

18 months of whining, bribing, extorting and lying and Republicans are the ones stamping their feet?

The largest tax increase in history, that is the real story, as much as Bookman tries to obscure it.

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2010
8:43 am

a lawsuit filed by 14 other states

And that’s what really burns. I can see the argument for constitutionally challenging a law you consider unjust. Really, I can.

But when you get to the point where a dozen guys have already beat you to the punch, how on earth do you justify the expense of such a genuinely frivolous lawsuit?

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2010
8:44 am

Republicans are the ones stamping their feet?

Why yes, Whiner. They are; and you do.

Later, kids. Try not to frivolously sue anyone while I’m away.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
8:45 am

dB – “But when you get to the point where a dozen guys have already beat you to the punch, how on earth do you justify the expense of such a genuinely frivolous lawsuit?”

cuz it’s against a democRAT … that’s how they justify it … :roll:

Rightwing Troll

March 25th, 2010
8:46 am

Schools and first responder’s budgets are being cut to the bone, and nut sacks want to waste billions whining and stomping thier little feet… and handing the NRA plums instead of doing what they said they would do after Glen’s Richard…

They can pitch thier little treasonous hissy fits without wasting millions of GA tax dollars, they do it every day here and all over, we don’t need to waste the needed funds to shore up the Nut Sack’s seats in the state Legislature, they are secure, nut sacks don’t know any other way…

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
8:46 am

I swear, Georgia Republicans have mashed their “stupid pedal” to the floorboard and it’s gotten stuck there.

Jay,

That’s an insult to stupid people. Our Georgia Republicans are stoopid! And cowards too. And what’s this talk about our Georgia Republicans diverting intellect to something. Where did they get? Did they rob the school system… again.

Scooter

March 25th, 2010
8:46 am

Some may disagree, but Baker might make a good Governor. ???????

Rightwing Troll

March 25th, 2010
8:48 am

What taxes have gone up? I missed it.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
8:49 am

RWT – yep … gimme $50 and we’ll call it even ;-)

Scooter

March 25th, 2010
8:49 am

Hello USinUK! :smile:

Hakui Guy

March 25th, 2010
8:49 am

“as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law”

King Georga thought the same

Boston Tea Party proved not

many mothers wept.

jconservative

March 25th, 2010
8:50 am

The Georgia governor has the legal authority to file a lawsuit without the AG being involved.

Question: Why has Purdue elected not to file a lawsuit from the Governor’s office? Several lawyers have volunteered to do so at no fees, the Governor only has to pay the expenses of the suit.

Will he or won’t he?

Curious Observer

March 25th, 2010
8:54 am

What is even more stupid is that the Georgia electorate falls for these histrionics—every time. Georgia’s Republican leadership is shameless in its efforts to con the regressives—from putting useless gay marriage amendments on the ballot to threatening to secede to attempting to sue the federal government over legislation with which it disagrees. It’s as though the Civil War taught absolutely nothing about the power relationship between the states and the federal government.

Teh stoopid. It burns indeed.

Paul

March 25th, 2010
8:54 am

Jay

Ever worked with someone who has a really important, but tough job to do and chooses, instead, to do a more routine task? Avoidance. Unfortunately, it seems to be a job requirement of some of your state’s legislators.

Regarding the lawsuit: I’d guess an underlying reason is, states are concerned about the costs they’ll incur down the road. This is a way, first, to make clear to their voters they’ll be on the hook for gazillions and second (now… this requires a belief the current crop of national and state Republicans can coordinate an effective strategy… but suspend belief and stay with me) it’s a way to highlight areas they support (’we said all along the Democratic Congress should concentrate on preexisting conditions, noncancellation, etc’) while honing the message of what they want to repeal (”Seniors! Democrats took 500 billion from your Medicare and we’ll fight for you to get it back!”).

Scout

March 25th, 2010
8:55 am

Jay: The BACKLASH has only started ……………………..

GoingBroke

March 25th, 2010
8:57 am

Stupid is right.. God love them.. cause no one else will.

Jay.. your posting sounds like a promo for Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.. you giving or getting your style from there?

Jay

March 25th, 2010
8:57 am

Paul, under the reconciliation package, the federal government will cover 100 percent of the states’ additional Medicaid cost in 2014, 2015 and 2016; 95 percent of the cost in 2017, 94 percent of the cost in 2018, 93 percent of the cost in 2019 and 90 percent of the cost in 2020 and every year thereafter.

Scout

March 25th, 2010
8:58 am

P.S.

Many refer to the “War Between the United (an oxymoron) States of America” and the “Confederate States of America” as the “Civil War”. That physical confrontation was of course not a civil war in the correct sense of that definition.

What we are in NOW engaged in is a political “Civil War” …………. and I say let ‘er rip !

Jay

March 25th, 2010
8:59 am

Broke, I have never watched Maddow and know her only by reputation.

jconservative

March 25th, 2010
9:00 am

Federalist Papers; That is way to long for this forum but thanks for putting it into the domain.

Of course you realize that the Supreme Court will decide if any bill is repugnant to the Constitution (Marbury v Madison) and reaffirmed many times by the Court over the years. The New Haven Firemen case is a perfect example.

The Court will look at the law when they decide to hear, or not to hear, the case against the health care bill. Whether one state or all 50 states are party to the suit is not important (unless you believe the conservatives on the Court are open to political pressure and will not rule on the merits of the case).

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:00 am

“was of course not a civil war ”

Yep…there’s nothing “civil” about ANY war.

Rightwing Troll

March 25th, 2010
9:01 am

The Civil War should be rightly called the “war of the southern states who tried to destroy the country because they wanted to keep slaves”…

Now it’s the Nut Sacks who wish to destroy the country to remake it as a theocracy.

bajaboy

March 25th, 2010
9:02 am

Considering the difficulty Sonny has encountered trying to provide mental health care for Georgia’s uninsured children without killing them with neglect in inadequate institutions, one would think he would welcome mandated insurance.

getalife

March 25th, 2010
9:03 am

Osama bin Laden, in tape, threatens to kill Americans…

Just like the gop.

Hakui Guy

March 25th, 2010
9:05 am

I was not born to

endure a boot to my face

for eternity.

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
9:05 am

The GOP is determined to succeed where bin Laden has failed.

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:06 am

Jay

Thanks much for the update. I’ve been gone for a few days – good to know that’s in.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:07 am

Haiku Guy got his

Masters in Histrionics

at Rush Limbaugh U

Chris

March 25th, 2010
9:09 am

“First they tried to pass a constitutional amendment in the state Senate to declare that no Georgian could be mandated by government to buy health insurance, as if Georgia law could somehow supercede federal law.”

-could some how? Do you know it violates interstate commerce laws and the constitution to compel anyone to buy something as massive as this?

-but your a super educated liberal so I am wrong some how on this

joan

March 25th, 2010
9:10 am

Jay, “the federal government” covering costs just means the taxpayers will have to do it. Of course, the Dems put the onerous portions of this bill in later–when they are safely tucked away in their retirement homes. The people do not want this healthcare outrage, and all we can do now is REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER. And, then when we get Republicans (conservatives) in office, hold their feet to the fire to remember they are there to represent working individuals–people who want to take responsibility for their lives, and not there to simply build up voting blocs of unwashed masses–unions, government employees, newly legalized aliens and other dependents on the taxpayer and private industry. If we don’t start doing something soon to boost private industry, this will be a country of government employees only, and the rest of us will be welfare–sounds like West Africa to me.

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:10 am

Here’s a good article on the Florida lawsuit, the budget concerns, how they’re overcome by events with the numbers Jay provided.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/mar/23/bill-mccollum/mccollum-cites-top-estimate-medicaid-expansion/

So, the same applies to every other state considering that reason as a valid consideration for suit.

frank burns

March 25th, 2010
9:11 am

The Repubs better just remember, after this thing is accepted and a welcome part of American culture: this is “Obamacare” (the term they themselves made up and pegged it with) — he deserves all the credit.

Lewis

March 25th, 2010
9:11 am

What you mena by “about to.” Aren’t the Republicans already in the absurd?

jconservative

March 25th, 2010
9:12 am

The Reconciliation Bill now being debated gets rid of the Nebraska giveaway to Sen Nelson. Republicans screamed when it passed originally. Now they are voting to keep it in the bill now signed into law. Why?

AP story: “It kills part of the new statute uniquely giving Nebraska extra Medicaid funds — designed to lure support from that state’s Sen. Ben Nelson — that had become a glaring embarrassment to Democrats. It also eases a new tax on expensive health coverage bitterly opposed by unions and many House Democrats, while delaying and increasing a new levy on drug makers.”

So Republicans are fighting to keep the Nebraska/Nelson package in the now signed into law health care package and fighting to keep the higher tax on “Cadillac” health insurance policies. Why?

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
9:12 am

Orly Taitz has volunteered to represent the Georgia Republicans. I think she has lady gaga eyes for Sonny.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:12 am

“Do you know it violates interstate commerce laws and the constitution to compel anyone to buy something as massive as this?”

and here’s the thing that kills me about people who know NOTHING about gummint (particularly the legislative branch)

do you honestly think that, in a city with the highest lawyer per capital ratio on the country that NO ONE ran that by a constitutional lawyer, first?

do you think that there are NO lawyers on the legislative committes who help draft this legislation??

criminey.

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:13 am

joan

[[build up voting blocs of unwashed masses–unions, government employees]]

Military members are ‘unwashed masses’?

Are there any parts of the reforms you like? Are you in favor of repealing legislation that prevents insurance companies from dropping people once they become ill? Or is legislation preventing insurance companies from so doing a good thing?

getalife

March 25th, 2010
9:14 am

I think we should add the cons to the war on terror and use all resources available.

Jay

March 25th, 2010
9:14 am

Chris, why don’t you go explain your theory to Charles Fried and others? They would be enthralled by it, don’t you think?

Tea party poopers

March 25th, 2010
9:15 am

There’s so many layers of irony in this piece, that I found myself rooting for the British, apparently.

Bookman should stick to sending his cyberbully thugs over to Cynthia’s blog so they can be themselves.

Here’s the real danger to us concerning the cessation of bipartisanship and the secession of half our legislative branch: we are witnessing some ugly business in public, unabashed and unashamed. My fear is that there are closed-door conspiracies in play.

The tip of this iceberg is bad enough. What are we not seeing? What treachery lurks beneath this choppy surface?

I’ve never seen this level of rancor. (and I was married for 27 years).

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:16 am

Paul – “Military members are ‘unwashed masses’?”

yes … as are the doctors and nurses who work in the VA hospitals, the teachers at our public schools and universities and the scientists who work at the CDC … unwashed, the lot of ‘em …

:roll:

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:21 am

USinUK

Maybe joan will organize a charity drive, or tag on to existing ’support the troops with CARE packages” and donate lots and lots of soap?

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:22 am

haiku guy – in response to your 8:39 below …

Gordon Brown morose

Wishing he had called gen’ral

Back when he was liked

Scout

March 25th, 2010
9:23 am

The government requires car insurance only if you “choose” to own a car.

Question – should the federal government be able to force you to buy life, liability and disabilty insurance so your dependents won’t be a tax burden on the state if you die, are sued or something happens to you and you can’t physically work?

The Seeker

March 25th, 2010
9:24 am

Gee Jay, I didn’t know you had any judicial experience or had ever sat on the bench. The Supreme Court will decide this matter, not you and your liberal buddies. Rest assured it will be Civil War should they rule the federal government has the right to force citizens to buy something from a private corporation. You think bricks and name calling are bad, just wait!

thomas

March 25th, 2010
9:26 am

Is it legal for the federal government, not a state government, to force its citizens to purchase any product?

Was just checking because I believe this is the first time EVER in America in which the government has FORCED its citizens to either purchase health insurance, break the law or pay a fine.

If this is legal could anyone point me to the piece of American legislation which state the federal government can strip us of our FREEDOM to purchase or not purchase a product or good?

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:26 am

Paul – 9:21 – I don’t know how familiar you are with the Red State blog, but the eternally hapless Erick Son of Erick tried to start a protest against Olympia Snow by encouraging everyone to send her rock salt …

until someone pointed out to the braintrust that, actually, people living in Maine might appreciate tons of rock salt being shipped to them right before winter

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/

as dB says … the stupid … it burns …

jewcowboy

March 25th, 2010
9:27 am

The GA State flag should just picture a fat guy with his head up his ass.

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:28 am

The Civil War should be rightly called the “war of the southern states who tried to destroy the country because they wanted to keep slaves”

This is totally incorrect. During the latter part of the war, the North and South were holding informal talks to end the war. The North even said they would agree to pay slave owners for their lost slaves. If the war had been about slavery, the war would have ended right there.
Jefferson Davis, though, insisted any agreement would have to include the continued separation of the southern states from the Union. this, of course, was a deal breaker. The war was about state rights. The emotional trigger was slavery. Pick up a history book some time and read about the racial riots in the North in 1863. Read that “Free” black men, were not allowed to serve in the Northern army at first and when they were finally allowed in, they were paid less than a white yankee and more poorly equiped. No people, slavery was not the issue.

…and the war rightly should be called “The War of Northern Agression”.

Jay

March 25th, 2010
9:29 am

Oh gee, Seeker, now you’ve got us all a-tremble with fear…

If you have to imply violence in order to win a discussion, you’ve lost already.

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:29 am

jewcowboy

March 25th, 2010
9:27 am

Dang it! I’m running out of paper towels!

getalife

March 25th, 2010
9:30 am

The karma for the cons is coming.

All American freedoms the cons happily gave away because they were scared can be used against them.

They can spy on you, lock you up indefinitely without a lawyer, torture you, rendition you to other countries and you have no rights.

All they have to do is label you a terrorist.

Good luck cons but I will stand with my country.

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:30 am

The seeker looks backward, me thinks…

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:31 am

“If you have to imply violence in order to win a discussion, you’ve lost already”

Especially when you say in one sentence that it will be decided by the courts…and in the very next threaten violence if you don’t like the decision the court makes.

SOUTHERN ATL

March 25th, 2010
9:31 am

If this administration is so concerned about HEALTH related matters then why does the Blakely Peanut Contamination still linger?

Blakely peanut illness: Little has changed since scare

A year after outbreak, holes still exist in inspection safety net

http://www.ajc.com/news/blakely-peanut-illness-little-286617.html

This is a health related matter that embarrassed the entire state!

The Seeker

March 25th, 2010
9:32 am

My fully auto AK-47 begs to differ JAY!

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:32 am

“and the war rightly should be called “The War of Northern Agression”.”

No, it shouldn’t. “The South” fired the first shots.

Jay

March 25th, 2010
9:33 am

Normal, the war was absolutely about slavery. Read the secession statement from South Carolina, which states in part:

“We affirm that these ends, for which this Government was instituted, have been defeated, and the government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non�slaveholding states. Those states have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the states and recognized by the constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted the open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other states. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes, and those who remain have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common government. Observing the forms of the constitution, a sectional party has found within that article establishing the executive department the means of subverting the constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the states north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common government, because he has declared that that “government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. “

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
9:33 am

Is it legal for the federal government, not a state government, to force its citizens to purchase any product?

You are not being forced to purchase health insurance… or car insurance… or flood insurance… or life insurance… or home insurance. However, you are being forced to indirectly pay for FDIC insurance and PBGC insurance if your business offers a pension plan, amongst other things. You are also being forced to pay for the DoD and corporate tax breaks and for all the taxes that are not being paid by those that hide income off shore, etc. How does it feel?

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:34 am

Scout – thomas

Gov’t has, for years, required people to purchase protection against future loss or injury.

Try enrolling your child into school without immunizations (have to pay to get the product from a doctor to protect child and others from future loss or injury).

NowReally

March 25th, 2010
9:34 am

If it wasn’t true, it would be extremely funny. The republicans are always complaining about private citizens filing frivolous lawsuits, but the pot is now calling the kettle black.
And to impeach the Attorney General is just plain stupid and political; but karma usually comes back tenfold.

The Seeker – please remember that the last time it was done (civil war), YAH LOST BIG TIME. I live in this state and I’ll be fighting with the BIG Government people.

Jay

March 25th, 2010
9:34 am

It can beg all it wants, Seeker.

So can you, for all the good it would do you if you tried to convert this anonymous braying into action.

The Seeker

March 25th, 2010
9:36 am

Keep feeding the fire then Jay!

getalife

March 25th, 2010
9:36 am

Hey seeker,

They have your ip number now stupid.

Road Scholar

March 25th, 2010
9:36 am

Haiku Guy: To keep from having the boot in you face, stop getting drunk and falling down with your face on your shoes! That is unless you are using the shoes to brace your fall and to keep your teeth…that is the ones which are left!

Governor Perdue: Let me make this something even you can understand: Penalty! for piling on! If the lawsuit has merit, what makes you think that Georgia’s participation, and money, will sway the ruling toward your opinion? Where is our ethics legislation? Transportation funding? Education improvements? Oh and forget about any more tax breaks!

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:36 am

“The republicans are always complaining about private citizens filing frivolous lawsuits, but the pot is now calling the kettle black.”

No, no, no…you’re forgetting “IOKIYAR” (It’s OK If You’re A Republican)

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:37 am

Paul – and don’t forget the requirement to carry flood insurance if you live in a flood plain

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
9:38 am

I see no reason why we cannot co-exist peacefully. Let the overlords of the Republican party establish their peonage system amonst their loyal followers. Why should we stop them from enjoying the life style that they love. The problem lies with the overlords of the Republican party trying to exert dominion over those that do not wish to be their property.

md

March 25th, 2010
9:39 am

“do you honestly think that, in a city with the highest lawyer per capital ratio on the country that NO ONE ran that by a constitutional lawyer, first?”

Come on now, and all lawyers interpret the laws the same way? The supremes don’t even do that.

Hakui Guy

March 25th, 2010
9:39 am

The MoJo rising

America just says no

Bookman frets again.

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:39 am

Seeker

[[My fully auto AK-47 begs to differ JAY!]]

Ummm, shouldn’t someone taking part in an armed resistance to protect the country pick, for symbolic value if nothing else, a weapon that didn’t have its beginnings as a weapon made by commies, for commies, to kill real Americans?

Jay

March 25th, 2010
9:40 am

Poor seeker.

Go find a third grader to intimidate.

A little one.

Daedalus

March 25th, 2010
9:40 am

Hey Normal — nice try at revisionist history. But the endless argument that the Civil War had nothing to with slavery is silly and wrong. In his “Cornerstone Speech” in Savannah, Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederate States of America (a Georgian, no less) stated:

“Our new government (the CSA) is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner–stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition.”

Of course, what does Alexander Stephens know compared to you? He was only the Vice-President of the CSA and lived through that era. While you and the rest of the apologists for slavery in this country continue to try and argue that it was only about “states rights” … 150 years later.

I think you’d be a great candidate for the Texas School Book Commission.

Oh, and a P.S. to US in UK, that Haiku post above was one of your best.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:41 am

md – 9:39 – interpreting different shades of gray is one thing – according to Chris (et al), it’s OBviously unconstitutional.

btw- thanks for a great discussion yesterday – it was a real treat!

Road Scholar

March 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Jewcowboy: Priceless! Do you think we could get Sonny to pose?

Oh Oh! Look out for those activist judges!

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Jay,
The issue was the right of a state to do what it wanted to do without Federal interference. The fact that the southern states felt it was their right to continue their enconomic model, slavery, was only part of the issue. Even “That Damned Lincoln” was ambivalent about slavery. It was the abolitionist’s (a vocal minority like the tea drinkers) that used it as an emotional ploy. The South just wanted to be left alone.

getalife

March 25th, 2010
9:43 am

That idiot just made a terrorist threat and admitted to owning a illegal gun.

Now we are having fun.

The Seeker

March 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Fine Jay! I’ll take my concerns elsewhere, you and this rag ain’t worth my time anyhow. You sure got a pretty mouth though boy!

thomas

March 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Paul

March 25th, 2010
9:34 am

Not true at all Paul there are exemptions for religion, or other spirtual beliefs.

So you are wrong as I have not seen any exemptions given for religion in this Bill.

How funny that people who seriously don’t believe in modern medicine(for religious purposes) will be forced by the government to buy a policy which they will never use.

Paul any others besides immunizations, because those are not forced across the board. And though it is a very wise idea to educate ones self. It is only law up to the age of 16 and one can choose to home school as well and no shots would be required.

See this is different than anything we have ever seen. We have no free choicein this, it is a government mandate. They are forcing us for the first time ever to buy something, or pay a fine, There is no alternate option.

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:44 am

And Jay,
I’m not debating the right or wrong of slavery. It was and will remian a terrible thing.

N-GA

March 25th, 2010
9:44 am

What the GOP would do is declare all Americans to be terrorists, THEN tell them they had to buy health insurance in the interest of national security…….

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2010
9:44 am

“The issue was the right of a state to do what it wanted to do without Federal interference”

And they learned the hard way they were wrong.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:44 am

Daedalus – 9:40 – aw, thanks!

I’d forgotten how much I love a good haiku until Mr. Haiku Guy got me started this morning … great way to pass the time whilst comparing databases …

Daedalus

March 25th, 2010
9:44 am

Southern ATL:

The enforcement of health and safety laws at the Blakely Plant are the State of Georgia’s responsibility. The United States provides funding to the state to support the program — but its ultimately the state that takes the lead on enforcement. If you want to blame somebody for the state of affairs at Blakely, point the finger at the State of Georgia.

I guess the concept of the state taking responsibility for enforcing its own laws is beyond you, huh?

TaxPayer

March 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Don’t forget! The Georgia Republicans have now further empowered the likes of “Seeker” by giving him a legal right to carry his pop gun into church and onto college campuses. Stoopid. Reeeeel stoopid.

Hakui Guy

March 25th, 2010
9:46 am

Road Scholar is ripe

Like a serf, he sits waiting

for government cheeeeeeese.

Peadawg

March 25th, 2010
9:46 am

I think most people are wondering how mandating that everyone(sick and healthy) is going to lower premiums. I agree w/ the pre-existing conditions thing, but it’s not going to lower premiums. Insurance companies are going to have to raise premiums to pay for everyone. Obama flat out lied on that one.

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:46 am

thomas – “So you are wrong as I have not seen any exemptions given for religion in this Bill”

oh, geez … here we go again …

http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Health-Care-Bill-Exempts-Amish/rgxp6aLIwEKxA-23DJUtXg.cspx

thomas

March 25th, 2010
9:48 am

USinUK

March 25th, 2010
9:37 am

Its a choice to live in a flood plan. there are many other areas of the country that do not lie near a flood plain. Thus eliminating your need to purchase flood insurance.

However this bill forces everyone from coast to coast, and Hawaii, and Alaska to purchase insurance or pay a fine. There is no alternative. Even if you are not ever going to use any medicine.

There has never been a time in America in which our citizens were force to either purchase a product or pay a tax since……………The English were collecting the tax.

Gandalf, the White

March 25th, 2010
9:48 am

Don’t worry about the Constitution, it’s being re-written as we speak. That Barry wants to have it all, just like a certain Austrian did back in ‘36….. it’s a slippery slope when you take away freedom.

Gandalf, the White

March 25th, 2010
9:50 am

Terrorism supported by the Republicans? When it all comes out, I bet it was a liberal who commited these heinous acts, to blame the conservatives!

Normal

March 25th, 2010
9:51 am

Gandalf! Howdy! :D

Gandalf, the White

March 25th, 2010
9:51 am

Oh, and Barry still hasn’t shown his birther certificate
:-)
Damn Skippy!