Obama, Netanyahu doing a complicated little dance

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Obama conferred twice yesterday at the White House, but the tone of the meetings was apparently chilly. As the Washington Post notes, the meetings had little of the pomp that normally accompanies a visit by another head of state.

“No reporters or photographers were invited to record the scene or even a handshake between the two leaders, who met one day after Netanyahu, in a speech to a pro-Israel group, rejected the administration’s plea that he halt construction in a disputed area of Jerusalem claimed by Palestinians as their capital.

Generally, a leader of an ally would expect to have a joint news conference with the president or at least a joint appearance before photographers. But the White House did not even immediately release a statement providing a summary of the meeting’s topics.”

Netanyahu is trying to work around Obama by building support for Israeli settlement policies in Congress and with the American public. The hope is that by taking that approach, Netanyahu can limit Obama’s political ability to demand concessions from Israel in future peace talks. It’s a divide-and-conquer strategy, as Politico notes.

“The clearest sign of Netanyahu’s rift with the White House, however, may have been his intense focus on Congress, which has blunted the attempts of many of Obama’s predecessors to pressure the Jewish state.

“We in Congress stand by Israel,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, standing beside Netanyahu Tuesday. “In Congress, we speak with one voice on the subject of Israel.”

But while Congress was speaking publicly with one voice, behind the scenes Netanyahu seemed to be trying to drive a wedge between it and the White House.

The Israeli leader met separately with groups of congressmen and senators, finding support on both sides of the aisle, but particular warmth from Republicans.”

But the thing is, two can play at that game. While Netanyahu tries to undercut support for Obama’s Middle East strategy here in America, Obama is trying to do the same to Netanyahu in Israel by highlighting the damage that his policies are doing to international support for Israel. (Yesterday’s ouster of an Israeli diplomat by Great Britain — retaliation against the use of fake British passports in a recent assassination attributed to Mossad — no doubt reinforced that message.) The goal is to force Netanyahu to split with the more extreme factions of his coalition, which at the moment clearly isn’t interested in peace talks.

Apparently, it’s having an effect, as reported by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz:

Two surveys published in recent days produced astonishing findings about the (Israeli) public’s attitude on construction in Jerusalem, findings that should alarm every Jew. In a Haaretz-Dialog poll, 48 percent of the respondents said Israel should continue building in all parts of Jerusalem, even if the price is a rift with the United States, while 41 percent said Israel should stop building in East Jerusalem until the end of negotiations with the Palestinians. Almost identical findings came up in a Mina Tzemach poll, where 46 percent said building in East Jerusalem should be frozen and only 51 percent opposed such a move.

Who would have believed that we would reach a situation where more than 40 percent of the public supports a construction freeze in East Jerusalem and only half say building should continue? The significance of these surprising numbers is that the Jewish consensus on united Jerusalem has been cracked, if not shattered. It doesn’t mean that half of Israel’s Jews have given up on East Jerusalem or that they see Gilo and Ramot as settlements. It means that increasing numbers feel detached and alienated from the eastern part of the city and do not accept many things that have been going on there. This grave situation is the rotten fruit of the activities of extreme right-wing organizations in Jerusalem, which have the support of Interior Minister Eli Yishai and Mayor Nir Barkat.”

But hey, what’s a little political meddling among friends, right?

329 comments Add your comment

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
8:11 am

sorry, this is off topic but hilarious:

Now Sen. McCain says there will be no further cooperation with the administration. OK then. Thanks for clearing that up. Now that bipartisanship has been buried for good, Democrats can get about the business of running the government, which is their duty as the majority party, and let the Republicans sulk in their rooms and work on their Facebook updates. They’ve made it clear that if Mr. Obama suddenly decided to come out in favor of Mother’s Day, they would fight against it as a ruthless exercise of federal power and a violation of due process. Fine. Talk to the hand.

~Garrison Keillor in Salon

TaxPayer

March 24th, 2010
8:21 am

Now Sen. McCain says there will be no further cooperation with the administration.

If he were an honest man, he would have left out the word, “further”.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!

March 24th, 2010
8:25 am

Yeah, and obozo is wearing the skirt, just sayin….

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
8:33 am

Bob Barr is a gerbiltarian.

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
8:33 am

But I’m liking Barr more every day.

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
8:34 am

Luckovich missed today with the pope playing golf. If the pope is going to apologize for anything, let him apologize for the singing nun, the worst crime of all.

Whacks Eloquent

March 24th, 2010
8:35 am

Did y’all see Cynthia’s not allowing comments on her latest race-baiting blog?
Meanwhile, Jay comes back to US-Israel – thank you Jay for a relevant topic.

President Obama has to deal with the same problem his predecessors…balancing support for Israel as the only stable democratically-elected government in the region, while simultaneously staying on good terms with the Arab nations because of our energy dependence. It won’t get any easier, as the entire region’s population is growing, and more frequent clashes are likely to occur. While it may not be popular to support Israel right now, they are a key ally right now in trying to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The rest of the world just doesn’t seem to get that that is a very bad idea…

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
8:35 am

well, we kicked out one of their envoys over the passport situation … I saw that’s a good start. wankers. you want to assassinate someone, then use your OWN citizens’ identities, not someone else’s.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
8:40 am

“then use your OWN citizens’ identities, not someone else’s.”

Or better yet, use fake ones…so you won’t be getting any real people in trouble. Those agents are lucky they didn’t get any of those REAL PEOPLE killed.

Proud American

March 24th, 2010
8:40 am

TaxPayer just because the party you oppose has a different view than you do does not make the Dem’s correct, there were 38 Dem’ who also voted against this bill.
At least the Rep’s were united and I guess we’ll find out in Nov.who the majority of voters think were right.

Gale

March 24th, 2010
8:41 am

I think it is time the USA got over the notion that the only stable government must be democratic. Just because people don’t vote, does not mean they are oppressed or unhappy. Likewise, some “democracies” are mere shams.

Proud American

March 24th, 2010
8:42 am

FinnMcFool how many Rep. amendments were in this bill, and OH didn’t I see the president sign a jobs bill last week that he boasted was bipartisan ?

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
8:43 am

“At least the Rep’s were united”

Or afraid to buck their “leaders.” Since there are reportedly “hundreds” of amendments that were proposed by Republicans it’s hard for me to fathom that they could then turn around and reject the whole thing outright. At the very least, it smacks of hypocrisy.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
8:43 am

“Those agents are lucky they didn’t get any of those REAL PEOPLE killed.”

yet. (sadly)

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
8:44 am

“yet. (sadly)”

Yes…that too.

Gale

March 24th, 2010
8:44 am

Proud American, Dems never vote lockstep like Reps. That’s why I never understand it when Reps get upset about a Dem majority. Just because they have the seats, doesn’t mean they have the votes. They never agree on anything.

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
8:46 am

Obama and Netanyahu: So they think they can dance……I’m remembering the stand up comedy after the six day war. (the Arabs had rented equipment).

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
8:48 am

There is no way to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Korea has them as do India and Pakistan. Israel needs to work harder at achieving peace. As long as they insist that the occupied territories will remain occupied, THERE WILL BE NO PEACE!

I for one am sick and tired of the right complaining when the administration ignores our senior military commanders, then ignores General Petraeus’ comments.

“He sent his top staff members to Washington in January to deliver a report to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen that graphically emphasized Petraeus’ conclusion that Israel’s foot-dragging on the peace process was endangering the United States.

Petraeus’ unequivocal message was that achieving Arab-Israeli peace was a supreme and strategic national interest of the United States.

The U.S. alliance with an intransigent Israel, his report said, was increasingly undermining America’s standing and influence in the Arab and Muslim worlds.

It resulted in the growing perception that the United States couldn’t stand up to Israel — particularly when Israel openly challenges U.S. diplomatic efforts as Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has done in defying Obama administration insistence on halting settlement building.

The Arab-Israeli conflict, Petraeus stressed, was one of the main “root causes of instability” in Centcom’s zone of responsibility and America must focus on bringing it to a peaceful conclusion at the earliest possible moment.

This concept isn’t new by any means. But Petraeus, the general who turned around Iraq, has made it the central issue of relations between Israel and the United States.

Mullen, who has espoused similar concerns, took up the cudgel in no uncertain terms when he visited Israel in mid-February to bluntly reiterate Petraeus’ message.

He told Netanyahu and his cohorts that Washington will not tolerate a unilateral pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. He has long maintained that hitting Iran would be a disaster, in all likelihood with catastrophic consequences for the Middle East and America, which would be held responsible for any Israeli onslaught.”

The GOP will suddenly get bipartisan with Pelosi to make Obama look bad. They do so love war.

@@

March 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Lanny Davis, of the old guard Democratic Party wrote a good piece on this administration’s verbal admonishment of Israel. I dare say Lanny knows more about our history with Israel than does young, Mr. Obama.

The U.S. ‘Condemnation’ of Israel: Facts and Perspective Needed

I tire of watching Obama flex his imaginary muscles in an attempt to appeal to his uber-leftist comrades. ‘Ya should’ve read the comments in response to Lanny’s insightful perspective at HuffPuff….their disdain for Israel was on full display.

But let’s put the incident in perspective by considering a few completely undisputed facts:

The administration stated it was “insulted” not just by the timing of this announcement but by the “substance.” But what “substance” was violated? As The Washington Post reported, when the Israeli government agreed last November to a 10-month moratorium on settlement construction, that commitment “did not include the East Jerusalem area where the construction was announced to take place.” Ramat Shlomo has been an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood going back to the 19th century. Even President Bill Clinton kept these neighborhoods under Israeli jurisdiction as part of his 2000 Camp David proposals — with then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak remarkably accepting Palestinian jurisdiction over Palestinian neighborhoods in East Jerusalem. Most of these historically Jewish neighborhoods are within 2.5 miles of the 1967 line, and some only a few hundred meters from it, contain some 200,000 Israelis, over 40 percent of the Jewish population of Jerusalem. If anything over the 1967 line in Jerusalem is a problem, is Israel to be condemned for building in the Jewish quarter of the Old City? Repairing the Western Wall? That has never been U.S. policy.

For Matilda! Lanny Davis–a Democrat with a brain. You can put him on the list of dems for whom I have respect. Every time I see him, I sense he is finding it more and more difficult to support the radical elements within his party.

jay:

I left this response for you downstairs.

kayaker 71

March 24th, 2010
8:49 am

Gale,

Name one stable government without a dictator as it’s Chief of State, where the people do not vote.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
8:52 am

kayaker and gale –

I agree with you, kayaker, that a non-democratic government leads to despotism … however, I think Gale’s point is that democracy doesn’t necessarily equal stability.

TaxPayer

March 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Luckovich missed today with the pope playing golf. If the pope is going to apologize for anything, let him apologize for the singing nun, the worst crime of all.

As long you don’t go sayin’ bad stuff about the flying nun.

Proud American

March 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Doggoneinsane, if you tell a partial truth ,does that make it a true statement ?

Afraid to buck the leaders. How many closed door meeting and threatening members did the president and Peloser have with their party the past few weeks ?

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
8:55 am

“Did y’all see Cynthia’s not allowing comments on her latest race-baiting blog?”

That’s right, Jolly Fingers. Kyle, and Cynthia had to ban all commenters. I tried to warn them about the Bookman Seven. I guess they finally get it. I tried to warn Bookman that coddling clods is never a good idea. Never reply to a troll. That’s cyber rule #1. The troll will reply to himself often enough and have a nice conversation, thank you. Refer to 90 of the above comments, and the entire archive, please.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
8:56 am

“How many closed door meeting and threatening members did the president and Peloser have with their party the past few weeks ?”

Not enough, I guess…since 34 Dems voted AGAINST the bill. That question can SO easily be turned around: how many closed door meetings and threatened members did the Rep leaders have with THEIR party in the past few weeks? But it doesn’t really matter how many, since whatever they had was pretty damn effective…NO Reps broke ranks, after all.

Scout

March 24th, 2010
8:57 am

Ex-community organizer vs. ex-commando. Should be interesting ……………..

TaxPayer

March 24th, 2010
8:57 am

TaxPayer just because the party you oppose has a different view than you do does not make the Dem’s correct, there were 38 Dem’ who also voted against this bill.
At least the Rep’s were united and I guess we’ll find out in Nov.who the majority of voters think were right.

And there are the 100% of the Republicans voting against it (sounds rather odd that they could all be so vehemently opposed to doing anything at all other than oppose everything but that’s another story) too but the legislation still passed. It’s called the “voice of the majority”.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
8:58 am

Proud – “How many closed door meeting and threatening members did the president and Peloser have with their party the past few weeks ?”

:lol: do you honestly think the Dems are the only ones who operate that way??? I mean, seriously – do you really think that the GOP didn’t do that when they were in office???

heck, they even have specific positions in congress to hold members’ feet to the fire – that’s what the majority/minority whips DO, fercryingoutloud …

kayaker 71

March 24th, 2010
9:00 am

No one has mentioned the fact that Bibi just doesn’t have any respect for Bozo. Very few on the international stage do. His efforts to influence world opinion about much of anything has been pretty unsuccessful. Bibi is a conservative with a totally different outlook on international politics than Bozo. He is also a strong leader who is trying to preserve his country for future generations. No one of any importance in the international scene is going to embrace a one term president who is obviously out of his league.
Interesting story in the LA Times about the white flight from the Democratic party. These are the people who were responsible for his election victory. Boy, have they been disappointed.

Scout

March 24th, 2010
9:02 am

Hey folks ………. when I go to any of “Ms. Tucker’s” columns, the first thing I do is see if she has “closed” it to comments. If she has ……….. I just don’t read it.

Fair enough ?

TaxPayer

March 24th, 2010
9:02 am

that’s what the majority/minority whips DO, fercryingoutloud

But the Republicans like it when their whips come after them. crack!

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:04 am

For years Israel has exerted undue influence on US politics. That needs to change….dramatically! Israel must leave the occupied territories. They should be given 30 days to do so. If the settlers choose to remain, that is their choice. They made their beds. If after 30 days Israel has not left the occupied territories, the US should implement the following actions, one action followed by 30 more days for compliance:

- stop all aid to Israel
- abrogate all military treaties w/Israel
- freeze all Israeli funds
- impose a trade embargo on Israel

Once Israel leaves the occupied territories, the US will implement a ME policy whereby any attack on Israel results in a US attack on the country from which the attack on Israel originated.

But Congress is too dependent on “donations” from Israeli-affiliated interests, so……

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:04 am

“Fair enough ?”

Who, besides you, even cares whether you read them or not?

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
9:07 am

I googled China. I got a firewall. I googled chinese commie scum. I got a takeout menu. a half hour later I googled gang of four. I got a beatles song sheet. I googled the Tianemen Square Massacre. I got the terra cotta warriors lounging around a gay spa.

I googled Chinese religious freedom, and got a picture of Confusius sniffing his fingers.

The Chinese Google thing is all screwed up, man. It’s out of CONTROL!

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Once Obama convinces the Israelies that he is the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, like so many democrats already know then a workable and peaceful solution will be forthcoming.

All welcome Jesus Christ Obama, Our King! Praise bee!

Proud American

March 24th, 2010
9:08 am

WAIT TIL NOVEMBER WE WILL SEE ,

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 24th, 2010
9:08 am

Well, I see this woman in NC won a judgment of $9 million from this woman she sued over breaking up her marriage. I seen a picture of the woman that sued and all I got to say is she’d need to pay me $9 million to marry her. That woman’s been beat with a ugly stick around the head and shoulders.

Anyhow, it looks like this Israeli PM is trying to box Obama in, sort of like a woman that flirts with other men just to get her husband beat up if he tries anything. It’s all for show anyway. Obama and Congress both know they’re going to need Israel to do their dirty work when it comes time to bomb Iran. But they want the rest of the world to think they’re cracking down hard on Israel. It’s sort of like watching a play where all the actors know they ain’t who they’re playing and the audience knows too, but they’re all willing to go along with the acting.

Anyhow, it’s mighty nice of Bookman to give us all a little break before we get back to calling each other names and questioning parenthood over this Socialist health care bill. In the mean time, all the opponents of the new law are blustering and threatening like banty roosters. They know their law suit won’t go anywhere and the Democrats know it won’t go anywhere, but it sure gets the folks riled up. It’ll all quiet down after election day. We’re stuck with this health care and everybody knows it.

Have a good day everybody.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:08 am

kayaker – “Interesting story in the LA Times about the white flight from the Democratic party”

read a little closer – white MEN, white women still support the dems at their same rates.

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:09 am

Kayaker….Obama has exponentially more respect from international leaders than bully Bush ever had. And the Israeli people trust Obama more than twice as much as they do their own PM (poll from last week).

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:11 am

USinUK – Kayaker reads, but doesn’t comprehend.

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:11 am

“We love you O-bam-ee
Oh yes we do

We dont love anyone
as much as you

When your not with us
We’re clue (less)

O-bam-ee we love you.”

Whacks Eloquent

March 24th, 2010
9:11 am

N-GA @ 9:04

Do you really believe the Palestinians will just lay down their weapons if Israel withdraws from the “occupied territories”? The Palestinians are known for saying they view the entire nation of Israel as an occupation. So, under your scenario, if Israel did retreat from the territories, and then the Palestinians did their normal terrorist attacks, you’d be willing to declare a state of war against them? Does not sound like a workable peace scenario to me…

I think if the Israelis believed that the Palestinians would truly leave them alone, they might be willing to retreat, but they have learned from experience that won’t happen. You give an inch, and they demand a foot…

Proud American

March 24th, 2010
9:11 am

Back on topic why didn’t Oblunder bow down to Netanyahu, does he bow down to Arabs ?

TaxPayer

March 24th, 2010
9:11 am

All welcome Jesus Christ Obama, Our King! Praise bee!

How quickly you guys forget your last savior, Dick Bush… or George Cheney… or whatever his name was.

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:12 am

“Obama has exponentially more respect from international leaders than bully Bush ever had.”

You mean lack of respect. Gladhanding someone should never be interpreted as a sign of respect. Infact its just the opposite. And btw who cares with the EuroTrash respect or disrespect the USA.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:12 am

“Praise bee!”

Is that an upstart new God? The FSM will getcha for that!

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:12 am

TaxPayer … OH! I thought he said Praise Beer – I figured who am I to argue …

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:12 am

Israel isn’t a democracy, its a totalitarian theocracy.

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:13 am

Now playing at a theatre near your…”Borac Obama and the World Apology Tour Part Deux.”

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
9:15 am

read a little closer – white MEN, white women still support the dems at their same rates.

I guess that’s making me the big fish in the little pond? cool

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:16 am

Outhouse….I meant what I said. And he’s earned that trust & respect. Just because you don’t understand that different cultures express respect in different ways doesn’t mean that international leaders don’t respect Obama. It just means you’re not very well educated…..

Whacks Eloquent

March 24th, 2010
9:17 am

N-GA,

“Israel isn’t a democracy, its a totalitarian theocracy.”

What? They have a highly volatile, multi-party parliamentarian system that is constantly changing coalitions. They swing back and forth from center-left to center-right, with fringe elements on either side getting a voice but rarely holding significant power. Other than the corruption, it’s a pretty admirable system.

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
9:17 am

All welcome Jesus Christ Obama, Our King! Praise bee!

Yes, all hail the Muslim from Kenya who just kicked some Republican arse! Slapped em silly. Boehner lookin’ quite pale lately.

mwuahahahahahahahaha.snort

ty webb

March 24th, 2010
9:19 am

I thought carter “fixed” this thing years ago…Oh well.

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
9:20 am

posting here seems to have improved. I guess Al Gore fixed his Internet?

Thanks Al

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:22 am

“I thought carter “fixed” this thing years ago”

In case you haven’t noticed lately, the peace accords between Israel and EGYPT, which Carter helped negotiate, are still in place and still working.

Lord Help Us

March 24th, 2010
9:24 am

I have said it before and I will say it again.

Israel and the Palestinians have long since agreed to a set of core principles that are the basis of a manageable (not solvable) peace process…

Both sides have broken parts of this framework..

The Palestinians have suffered draconian consequences for their intransigence…

Israel has experienced no consequences for their intransigence…

Thus, Israel has learned their lesson well.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:24 am

Doggone – never underestimate the right’s need to slur Carter – to the point of leaving accuracy standing on the curb, forget sitting in the back seat …

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:24 am

“I meant what I said.”

Well that doesnt make it so and it comes as no surprise either. Your delusions of grandeur cloud your thinking. Same goes for Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid. The “Gang of Four” progressives.

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:25 am

Whacks…it is a crippled democracy. Even Israelis admit that if they granted the vote to the Palestinians displaced by the occupation that Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. Instead, they are denied the vote, so Israel is a democracy in name only.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:26 am

“never underestimate the right’s need to slur Carter”

yes, I know…but it’s slow right now and I’m bored!

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:26 am

Legally, morally, and by actual international law (not the fictitious version cited by know-nothings), Jerusalem belongs to Israel, not to the movement of Himmler’s assistant Hajj Amin al Husseini.

Why are Obama and Hillary obsessed with issuing antisemitic ethnic cleansing edicts against Israel? What did Israel ever do to them to warrant this hatred?

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:26 am

Most world leaders view Obama as a johnny come lately…the silly new kid on the block who can be bullied into giving up his milk money, and THAT IS is quite frankly the case.

And I mean what I say…lol ;)

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:27 am

correction, meant ‘Eichmann’s assistant’

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:28 am

Outhouse – “delusions of grandeur”? What a leap of logic…no surprise. Deductive reasoning isn’t your strong suit.

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:28 am

Everyone should read about Carter’s racist gubernatorial campaign against Carl Sanders before deciding that this old bigot is qualified to decide who is a racist.

Whacks Eloquent

March 24th, 2010
9:28 am

“Israel has experienced no consequences for their intransigence…”

Oh, I guess those occasional terrorist-fired rockets and suicide bombings are just random.

Blog Soap

March 24th, 2010
9:28 am

Cynthia doesn’t have to read what the Bookman Seven are going to write, because they write the same thing (to themselves) over and over 24/7 365.

In truth, nobody reads the Bookman uberpundits, except their uberselves. (My kingdom for an umlaut).

Sonny Perdue, our gubernatorial uber-goober, has weighed in on the healthcare bill, calling it a “Colossal unfunded mandate”. He did say that he was grateful that the taxpayers will fund the donut-hole shaped pillows he needs to sit comfortably, but claims that he gets them at cost from a wholesaler, so no big whoop.

Okay, after hearing from Sonny Boy, I don’t see how Obama won’t veto this radioactive bill now, retroactively. I mean, now that Sonny has cleared the partisan smoke away and put it all in terms that invite shame to anyone dumb enough to still support the law of the land……

bwa

kayaker 71

March 24th, 2010
9:30 am

The Chinese presently hold 885B of our debt. They have threatened to initiate a trade war with us if we continue to question them on currency manipulation which they are doing with impunity. The last trade war on the international scene initiated the great depression in this country.
When they hold so much of our debt, this emboldens them to take more risks. When they see weakness in a world leader whom they can exploit, they will do it without regret. We essentially have no friends on the world scene. Colin Powell described our so called friends as “People with mutual interests”.
What happens when China says that they will not buy any more T-bills? Interest rates rise, the trade deficit becomes even more unmanageable and we suffer greatly. Anyone who holds debt over another country of this magnitude has a big stick. Interest payments on this debt top 750B/yr, the second highest budget expense after Health and Human Services. We have let ourselves get into this mess by spending too much of the taxpayer’s money. Both political parties are at fault but Bozo and this Congress are adding fuel to the fire every day. Fiscal responsibility is in the bucket. Debtor nations have little respect on the world scene….. we are no exception.

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:30 am

Has Jimmy told anyone how many American blacks have played for Maccabbi Tel Aviv, vs the pro basketball teams for the PLO and Hamas?

Ooops, I forgot that the latter two are just nazi derived Jewhating movements that help antisemites feel better about their Jewhate.

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:30 am

“Deductive reasoning isn’t your strong suit.”

Well since you state such and most certainly mean it…then it must be so…tee hee, kachortle *bleh*

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:32 am

Wow…Jimbob…..News Flash! East Jerusalem is occupied territory! he occupied territories include the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and much of the Golan Heights.

It really gets old having to correct the uninformed….

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:34 am

“The Chinese presently hold 885B of our debt. They have threatened to initiate a trade war with us if we continue to question them on currency manipulation which they are doing with impunity.”

That would never happen because and as N-GA stated, paraphrase here, The world respects us and Daddy-O. This being Daddy-O should stop off at china, during this leg of the world apology tour part Deux, and tell Mr ChinaMan…

“Hey Mr ChinaMan…screw you and your Country. Im Borac Obama, the saviour of the world and if ya dont beleive me ask those that vote for me. Yea baby…Dig on some of that Mr Chinaman, 23 skidoo and Tyler Too.”

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:35 am

N-GA – 9:32 – thanks for that – I was going to, but lost my enthusiasm for the task …

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:35 am

Kayaker…So when Obama pushes China on letting the Yuan float to its necessary level, he endangering the US? lol

Actually the PRC is scared poopless that their huge holding of $$ could become worthless if they don’t continue buying our debt. This situation is hard for both countries.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:36 am

“(My kingdom for an umlaut)”

http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/finetypography/ht/umlaut.htm

You can forward your kingdome to Jay, he’ll see that I get it Ok.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!

March 24th, 2010
9:37 am

Shocking Audio: Rep. Dingell Says ObamaCare Will Eventually ‘Control the People’

http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people

Seig Heil!

Yes we can!

mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:38 am

Oh, BTW…just so you know it actually works:

Ä Ë Ï

md

March 24th, 2010
9:38 am

“the occupied territories include”

Realtive term associated with a random point in history – can be used with every country on the face of the planet.

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:38 am

That would be fun…discussing what would happen if China “initiated a trade war” with the US. Well, for one a huge part of the PRC economy would collapse because they wouldn’t be manufacturing all the stuff we buy. Then the US would have to become more self-sufficient. Then……

It can’t be all bad!

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:39 am

breatbart … home of the acorn pimp and congressional phonetappers :lol:

thanks whiner, you’re always good for a laugh …

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:39 am

Nice try n-ga but it legally belongs to Israel, and is not currently nor has ever been holy to Muslims.

Hence, the PLO has constantly changed its definition of what constitutes ‘palestine’ after each war that it loses, when the definition changes to include the latest land lost to the Jews. When gaza and west bank were illegally held by Egypt and Jordan, the plo explicitly stated that they were not part of ‘palestine’.

When Israel gained control of these lands after a defensive war, Israel built universities and hospitals for the people therein, who had previously been treated like crap.

Regarding Jerusalem specifically, the areas that the liars now call ‘Arab’ only became that way because in 1929 the Arabs raped and murdered the Jewish residents and then stole their land.

Your big-lies and taqiyya won’t fly here. It’s all you’ve got, not surprising since your case is predicated on lying about the fact that your ideology was created by the 3rd Reich and served as the talking points of their mufti quisling.

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:40 am

md…..the term was used in the context of Israel/Palestine. Just pointing that out to you…….

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:41 am

Jimbob…..You need to return your degree to the University of Stupid Dolts.

Bosch

March 24th, 2010
9:43 am

N-GA and USinUK,

It really has helped me the past week or so, when faced with a post that is just too stupid to bear, to type:

“Oh my freaking God”

It’s much easier on the fingers and why waste some of your neural transmissions giving it much more thought than that?

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:43 am

“is not currently nor has ever been holy to Muslims”

the 3rd more holy city after Mecca and Medina and the site where they believe Mohammad ascended from the rock isn’t holy to Muslims???

dude. seriously. stop.

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:44 am

Bosch….I gotta learn to practice self-control. I’ll try harder….

kayaker 71

March 24th, 2010
9:44 am

N-Ga,

So you are saying that we have nothing to worry about? We can just keep borrowing from China and Japan and they will continue to bolster our currency on the world scene to keep the dollar from tanking just ot protect their debt holdings? Sounds like a house of cards to me.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:45 am

Bosch – sometimes the stupid beggars belief.

meanwhile, how are you? how’s your uncle? tell him that your Bookmania friends are keeping him in our thoughts and hoping for a successful treatment!

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:45 am

If we could somehow someway harness the brain power of Al Goron then Mr ChinaMan would be no worry. Kinda like when R2D2 would plug into the central city computer of Cloud city. If this could be done then all our problems would simply dissipate.

Bosch

March 24th, 2010
9:45 am

Is it “bear” or “bare”?

FinnMcCool

March 24th, 2010
9:45 am

The bill that President Obama signed on Tuesday is the federal government’s biggest attack on economic inequality since inequality began rising more than three decades ago.

Over most of that period, government policy and market forces have been moving in the same direction, both increasing inequality. The pretax incomes of the wealthy have soared since the late 1970s, while their tax rates have fallen more than rates for the middle class and poor.

Nearly every major aspect of the health bill pushes in the other direction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?hp

change we can believe in!

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:46 am

n-ga–you lose. So sorry that you’ve had to contend with someone that tells the truth. It’s amazing how much effort your ilk goes to in order to obfuscate the fact that you don’t support civil rights for Muslims, and instead you support gestapo governments for them.

Why would you continually lie about the country over there that treats Muslims far better than the ‘Muslim world’ even treats them?

Did you figure out yet how many American blacks play for the PLO or hamas basketball teams?

Outhouse GoKart

March 24th, 2010
9:46 am

N-GA is simply incorrect and Bosch you know this to be true.

md

March 24th, 2010
9:46 am

“discussing what would happen if China “initiated a trade war” with the US.”

It would solve the trade imbalance – pretty darn quick too.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:46 am

Bosch – “bear”

unless the stupid is wearing clothes.

Doggone/GA

March 24th, 2010
9:47 am

“Is it “bear” or “bare”?”

bear if it’s more than you can tolerate
bare if it’s more than you can stand to reveal to the world

JIMBOB (aka James Robert)

March 24th, 2010
9:47 am

Jerusalem is not mentioned in the koran, contrary to what the resident Islamist-firsters contend.

USinUK

March 24th, 2010
9:47 am

md – 9:46 – :lol: you got that right!

N-GA

March 24th, 2010
9:47 am

Kayaker….something needs to be done. The Yuan needs to float. We need to reduce our trade imbalance and work on paying down our debt….a little fiscal responsibility would go a long way.

It’s kinda embarrassing to see the leaders of the PRC do a better job of disciplining their economy.