GoDaddy refuses to play Little Brother to China’s Big Brother
In theory, every country is entitled to set the rules by which business is governed within its borders. However, the insistence of the Chinese government that businesses agree to become co-conspirators in the repression of the Chinese people and the denial of free speech represents a serious test of that theory.
And that’s only one aspect of the challenge. Speaking in general terms, the rest of the world will eventually have to swallow China’s way of doing business, or China will be forced to conform to the standards set by the rest of the world. That’s true of everything from business law, currency manipulation and corruption to labor relations, product safety and global warming.
In short, China seeks all of the benefits of global commerce and investment with none of the obligations. It’s good to see companies and countries beginning to comprehend that fact, and to respond accordingly.
GoDaddy.com Inc., the world’s largest domain name registration company, told lawmakers Wednesday that it will cease registering Web sites in China in response to intrusive new government rules that require applicants to provide extensive personal data, including photographs of themselves.
The rules, the company believes, are an effort by China to increase monitoring and surveillance of Web site content and could put individuals who register their sites with the firm at risk. The company also believes the rules will have a “chilling effect” on new domain name registrations.
GoDaddy’s move follows Google’s announcement Monday that it will no longer censor search results on its site in China. Analysts and human rights advocates have warned that China’s insistence on censorship and control over information is becoming a serious barrier to trade.
“With all due respect, this has nothing to do with Google,” (Christine N. Jones, general counsel of the Go Daddy Group Inc.) said. She added that the company had been deliberating what it would do about its business in China before Google’s announcement.
Said Jones, “We decided we didn’t want to be agents of China.”
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josef nix
March 24th, 2010
5:46 pm
The Chinese are about to learn that the sleeping giant may have awakened…but in Lilliputia.
arnold
March 24th, 2010
5:50 pm
Just let the Republicans rule. Just say no to China.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
5:55 pm
JAY–
BTW, went double or nothing on you today and you came through! Thanks…still nothing on human rights violations in the puppet state of Afghanistan either…’course my betting partner won’t lay any bets with me there…
joe matarotz
March 24th, 2010
5:56 pm
Hooray for GoDaddy!
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
5:57 pm
That’s what free enterprise is all about!! If you don’t like the rules, then don’t play the game.
kayaker 71
March 24th, 2010
6:04 pm
China still holds the trump card…… 885B dollars in US debt. You can rattle sabers all you want but we have stepped on our crank big time and China knows it. They have the upper hand and we have only ourselves to blame. This 435 members of the House and 100 members of the Senate plus our last two presidents have created a scenario that would sicken the dumbest of us all. Wake up America….. we will show up with our hat in our hand and there is nothing we can do about it.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
6:07 pm
kayaker–
If enough follow GoDaddy’s and Google’s lead the Chinese will be brought to heel, The got uppity and are about to pay the price…
Chinese American Girl
March 24th, 2010
6:12 pm
Yay for GoDaddy!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 24th, 2010
6:13 pm
Well, I’ve not kept up with what’s happening in China because I’ve been trying to get ready to go in front of a Death Panel and if I make it pay big new taxes and see my insurance cost go thru the roof on account of this ObamaCare.
But it seems to me if you want to do business in China you got to go by China’s rules. Nobody’s forcing GoDaddy or any other company to do business there. Sure, it might could be tough to make customers put down private stuff like how much they weigh and how big their private parts are and stuff like that. But companys have done worse than that to make a little money. Heck, we got people selling secret videos of TV stars buck-nekkid in their hotel room without the stars even knowing they’re being taped.
Anyhow, it’s profits that make the world go round. That’s how it is in Private Innerprize. But China don’t have Private Innerprize. So I reckon all these U.S. companys are going to need to get use to Socialism there while they’re getting ready for Socialism here.
And getting ready for Socialism here is why I’m going to sign off now. I need to give some thought to the answers I’ll give when I’m called in front of the Death Panel. Maybe I can get some ideas while I’m watching Fox News. Have a good night everybody.
kayaker 71
March 24th, 2010
6:14 pm
Joseph,
Wake up. What if China refuses to buy any more T-bills? Our dollar will tank, the floated Chinese dollar will still stay inflated on the international market and interest rates will go through the roof. A trade war will ensue in which we are the ultimate loser. We don’t make much of anything anymore in this country. You can posture yourself all you want but with this debt structure that we have, we are sucking wind. The Japanese hold nearly as much debt as the Chinese. Who, in our Greatest Generation, ever would have thought that that would happen. Times sure change, don’t they?
jt
March 24th, 2010
6:18 pm
2009
BEIJING — China executed two milk producers on Tuesday for selling more than three million pounds of contaminated milk products in connection with a food-safety scandal that killed six infants, shocking the country last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/world/asia/25china.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
In America, democrats would yell for 12 billion more in federal inspectors, dump 7 billion dollars more to “bail” the company out, and the republicans would complain as they switch around their portfolios. And Southern Comfort would shoot any one that disagreed.
Coorperatism.
Wrong on so many levels.
md
March 24th, 2010
6:24 pm
China may hold 800 billion in debt, but we buy 300 billion in goods – yearly. Don’t see that it would benefit either side to get in that pissing match.
jewcowboy
March 24th, 2010
6:24 pm
Kayaker 71,
And then what happens to their investment? And if the US economy tanks, who will buy their flat panel tvs?
We are in an interconnected world of commerce and you can’t hurt one without hurting yourself.
Ron
March 24th, 2010
6:25 pm
Thanks GoDaddy and Google. Finally someone standing up to the Chinese. Too bad our politicians have never done the same thing
jewcowboy
March 24th, 2010
6:26 pm
Ron,
Its difficult to stand up when you are bending over.
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
6:27 pm
“And then what happens to their investment?”
Doesn’t it go something like this: if you owe the bank (China) a million dollars, the bank (China) owns you. If you owe the bank (China) a billion dollars, you own the bank (China)
Th
March 24th, 2010
6:30 pm
Oh great Kayaker 71, guess what happens if our dollar tanks and the Chinese currency appreciates, all our exports become much cheaper compared to China’s and their export prices go way up. Who does this hurt? The Chinese, that’s who. Why do you think they spend so much of their currency keeping the dollar high? China is in a trade war with us using the money we send them for tv’s and computers to keep our dollar high and their tv prices cheap.
Look at a chart of currency prices over the last ten years. The dollar was slowly sinking due to the trade deficit until the financial crisis hit and then see what happened. The whole world flocked to the dollar. We have the Chinese over a barrel, not the other way around and the last thing the Chinese want is for our products to be competitively priced on the world market.
md
March 24th, 2010
6:32 pm
“Napoleon is reported to have said “Let China sleep. For when China wakes, it will shake the world.” What Napoleon did not know was that in 1800 China represented 50% of the world’s gross domestic product–and today it represents 10%, at market prices. China depends far more on the U.S. than the U.S. does on China.”
China is artificially proping up its currency, they don’t need to play right now. But, the US keeps borrowing, it won’t matter as we will implode from within, or all have 95% tax rates.
@@
March 24th, 2010
6:34 pm
Oftentimes the private sector can achieve what government can’t.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
6:36 pm
Good for Google and GoDaddy but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some company jumped in there to fill the vacuum. There’s some people who’ll do anything for a buck, or a yuan, or a Euro, or whatever.
getalife
March 24th, 2010
6:37 pm
Score one for corporations.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
6:41 pm
yawn, just sayin…
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
6:43 pm
“yawn”
Have a nice nap.
fromHK
March 24th, 2010
6:50 pm
It is silly and naive to believe that China (a country of billions) will submit to the demands of a few US companies. This move by Google and other companies has only made China more self-sufficient. Who do you think will lose at the end?
jconservative
March 24th, 2010
6:50 pm
Can GoDaddy and Google do something about the Patriot Act invasions of 4th Amendment rights?
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
6:50 pm
Hey! You shouldn’t be badmouthing the Republican’s favored bank — The Bank of Communist China. That’s where Bush and his party of cronies got all that money that he gave to his upper-crusted corporate crooks, as tax cuts, in return for their support.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
6:52 pm
Go ahead Walmart fans, but their cheap crap.
(Note how f’ed up Microsoft and their POS browser comes across in the story.)
But know this is what you commie lovers are missing:
Operation Aurora is a cyber attack which began in mid-2009 and continued through December 2009.[1] The attack was first publicly disclosed by Google on January 12 in a blog post.[2] In the blog post, Google said the attack originated in China.
The attack has been aimed at dozens of other organizations, of which Adobe Systems,[3] Juniper Networks[4] and Rackspace[5] have publicly confirmed that they were targeted. According to media reports, Yahoo, Symantec, Northrop Grumman and Dow Chemical[6] were also among the targets.
As a result of the attack, Google stated in its blog that it plans to operate a completely uncensored version of its search engine in China “within the law, if at all”, and acknowledged that if this is not possible it may leave China and close its Chinese offices.[2] Official Chinese media responded stating that the incident is part of a U.S. government conspiracy.[7]
In its blog posting, Google stated that some of its intellectual property had been stolen. It suggested that the attackers were interested in accessing Gmail accounts of Chinese dissidents. According to the Financial Times, two accounts used by Ai Weiwei had been hacked, their contents read and copied; his bank accounts were investigated by state security agents who claimed he was under investigation for “unspecified suspected crimes”.[14] However, the attackers were only able to view details on two accounts and those details were limited to things such as the subject line and the accounts’ creation date.[2]
Security experts immediately noted the sophistication of the attack.[8] Two days after the attack became public, McAfee reported that the attackers had exploited zero-day vulnerabilities (unfixed and previously unknown to the public) in Internet Explorer and dubbed the attack “Operation Aurora”. A week after the report by McAfee, Microsoft issued a fix for the issue,[15] and admitted that they had known about the security hole used since September.[16] VeriSign’s iDefense Labs claimed that the attacks were perpetrated by “agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof”.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora
md
March 24th, 2010
6:54 pm
” Who do you think will lose at the end?”
Probably the Chinese gov’t since the masses now have a taste of democracy. As information floods into the country, the masses will eventually figure it out. They are a communist gov’t relying on capitalism – Hmmmm………..
md
March 24th, 2010
6:55 pm
“You shouldn’t be badmouthing the Republican’s favored bank — The Bank of Communist China.”
What utter intellectual dishonesty – don’t see the current misfits closing any accounts.
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
7:06 pm
“What utter intellectual dishonesty ”
It’s not intellectual dishonesty, it’s not even dishonesty. Just because a “bank” is the favorite of one group doesn’t preclude it’s also being the favorite of another.
@@
March 24th, 2010
7:07 pm
China’s business and personal culture is rooted in the principle of guanxi, which means “relationship”–very important! If you have “guanxi” with somebody, you can do everything quite easily.
It’s very prolific within their intelligence community, which…..has tentacles that reach every corner of the globe, including the U.S.. Good relations hiding evil intent.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
7:10 pm
What utter intellectual dishonesty – don’t see the current misfits closing any accounts.
What udder dishonesty on your part to make such a baseless claim. Then again, you are the one and only “md”. Doctor, doctor, give her a clue, I got a bad case of no need for you.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
7:16 pm
Jay,
I think you may have a serious contender for blog postings going over at Gold Dome Live with that Baker v. Perdue topic. I think Baker won that one hands down. Baker made Perdue look like an idiot once he nailed him on the cost of this frivilous suit to the taxpayers during these hard times.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
7:17 pm
For all the SpongeBob fans…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxymwN7nYQQ
md
March 24th, 2010
7:19 pm
“It’s not intellectual dishonesty, it’s not even dishonesty.”
OK, bad choice of words. But I think all here knows whats going on.
jt
March 24th, 2010
7:21 pm
You should be familiar with this if you want to start a contracting business.
Be prepared to give every shred of identity up. Good thing we don’t live in China. (keep in mind, the following doesn’t include local regs or the insurance scam regs).
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Mick
March 24th, 2010
7:25 pm
Yes, we have an intertwined relationship with china, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to outsmart them and hopefully in the future level the playing field with corrective tariffs.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
7:28 pm
Shhhhh! Don’t tell the conservatives/constitutionalists/tea partiers/independents/GOPeers, (and especially Dave R.) etc., about this one either. You would not want to be blamed for making their heads explode, would you?
md
March 24th, 2010
7:30 pm
“Yes, we have an intertwined relationship with china, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to outsmart them and hopefully in the future level the playing field with corrective tariffs.”
Can’t be fixed until we fix our own house first. If we concentrate on reducing the debt, there would be nothing to hold over our head. Clinton and the repub congress was the last time I saw our house in order – Not under Bush and no sight of it happening under Barry either.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
7:37 pm
md
Ah, yes, the Clinton years. Who’d've ever thunk we’d be lookin’ back at ‘em as the good ole days…?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
7:37 pm
Hey, what happened to the US soldier suicide rate, why don’t we hear from the pinkos anymore?
hmmmmm?
TnGelding
March 24th, 2010
7:40 pm
I guess that’s good news. Maybe the private sector can do what our government is afraid to attempt. Of course it has higher stakes to consider.
jt
March 24th, 2010
7:41 pm
Yep,
let us blame that authoritarian China.
They’re the real problem. Charlie Rangel will straighten it out.
TnGelding
March 24th, 2010
7:42 pm
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
7:37 pm
It was good for everyone but “that woman” in the blue semen-stained dress. She never did get layed.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
7:49 pm
TnGelding–
Bless her heart!
Seriously, though…Brother Bill was a character in his semi-private life, but looking back at his legacy as a president and a world leader, his record isn’t half bad…the budget, Bosnia, human rights…just to name a few…
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
7:52 pm
jt
Thanks for the compliment, but I usually don’t go all Yosemite Sam unless it’s totally called for, and the bailouts would not garner my protection. As a matter of fact, were it up to me, I wouldn’t have bailed out anybody. I believe in you reap what you sow. If the economy crashed, that would have meant their money was as worthless as mine. The lust for money that those who caused the economic trouble have shown leads me to think that they would have done whatever they could have to not let the economy completely collapse.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
7:53 pm
She never did get layed
Ouch! Now that had to hurt.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
7:53 pm
A CBS News poll released Wednesday finds that nearly two in three Americans want Republicans in Congress to continue to challenge parts of the health care reform bill.
The poll finds that 62 percent want Congressional Republicans to keep challenging the bill, while 33 percent say they should not do so. Nearly nine in ten Republicans and two in three independents want the GOP to keep challenging. Even 41 percent of Democrats support continued challenges.
Yeah, “victory.”
The libs probably think that Custer won at Little Bighorn, just sayin….
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
7:55 pm
Mick–
You call for protective tariffs. I’m interested in this question. On what and to what degree?
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
7:55 pm
Baker made Perdue look like an idiot once he nailed him on the cost of this frivilous suit to the taxpayers during these hard times.
I like Mr. Baker but you have to admit, that ain’t very hard to do.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
7:59 pm
SoCo
I note the Bruin hasn’t entered the immigration debate just yet…I would have thought he would have by now, given the bounty hunter bill and all that…
Rightwing Troll
March 24th, 2010
8:00 pm
“The libs probably think that Custer won at Little Bighorn, just sayin….”
Just like nut sacks think W won in Iraq, just sayin’…
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
8:00 pm
Perdue, an idiot??? Noooooooooooo, say it ain’t so…
And conservatives probably think that Bush was the greatest president every.
Just sayin…
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
8:01 pm
Well if it wasn’t for the Little Big Horn, how many people would know who Custer was?
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
8:01 pm
josef
He’s probably forming a battle plan to take me on. This is my chance to poke at the Bruin now…
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
8:03 pm
HD
You know Custer got promoted right around the Battle of Gettysburg. But you’re right, most people wouldn’t know who he was if it were not for that incident.
jt
March 24th, 2010
8:04 pm
Good thing we don’t live in China.
Don’t worry. Obama has got this.
The Patriot Act. Take ya hat off son.
SEC. 201. AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC
COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM.
Section 2516(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended–
(1) by redesignating paragraph (p), as so redesignated by
section 434(2) of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty
Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-132; 110 Stat. 1274), as paragraph
(r); and
(2) by inserting after paragraph (p), as so redesignated by
section 201(3) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant
Responsibility Act of 1996 (division C of Public Law 104-208;
110 Stat. 3009-565), the following new paragraph:
“(q) any criminal violation of section 229 (relating to chemical
weapons); or sections 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332d, 2339A, or 2339B of this
title (relating to terrorism); or”.
SEC. 202. AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC
COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE
OFFENSES.
Section 2516(1)(c) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by
striking “and section 1341 (relating to mail fraud),” and inserting
“section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), a felony violation of section
1030 (relating to computer fraud and abuse),”.
A couple of paragraphs on, it includes child support obligees, tax scafflows, internet gambling,, etc………………….
Rightwing Troll
March 24th, 2010
8:05 pm
“And conservatives probably think that Bush was the greatest president ever.”
At least Bookman’s merry band of nut sacks do. A number of them here said just that very thing, right here last year…
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:06 pm
Hillbilly–
Have you ever read Vine de Loria’s “Custer Died for Your Sins?”
SoCo–
Him and me both! Course he won’t agree much with my views “it makes as much sense to me to start immigration control at the Mason-Dixon/Ohio River/36 30 as it does the Rio Grande!”
Kamchak
March 24th, 2010
8:06 pm
RIP Robert Culp.
jt
March 24th, 2010
8:07 pm
SC-
“and the bailouts would not garner my protection.”
That is a mighty risky statement.
Regardless, I know that you are from Alabama, and that you would make the right decision.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:09 pm
Didn’t Custer get awarded some sort of medal, posthumously, of course. I’m sure that was a proud moment for him, arrows poking out of every square inch but still standing tall.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:10 pm
Robert Culp is dead too! Dang! I’m feeling older.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:11 pm
Vine de Loria said of Custer: “He went out in the best of fashion…wearing an arrow shirt.”
Kamchak
March 24th, 2010
8:13 pm
TaxPayer
Can’t pretend that growing older never hurts.
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
8:14 pm
jt
No risk there. I did not like the bailouts. Had the country gone kaput, their money would have had the same value as mine. If I go to Vegas and lose my shirt, they’re not going to give me a new one. Why should we have done that for any of those companies. If capitalism truly works, there would have been banks that would have snapped up the ones that failed, or new ones would have formed to take their place.
The only way the bailouts would have gotten my protection, it would have to be something spelled out in the Constitution. From what has been argued, the bailouts were more socialism than anything, so I doubt we’d find any authority for them in the Constitution. Growing up the way I did, I don’t suffer from wealth envy, but I would not have shed a single tear if all those people lost everything they had. If you gamble, you win and you lose.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
8:15 pm
SoCo
Custer actually served the Union Army quite well but I don’t think his rank was high enough or that his exploits stood out enough for him to have been remembered by anybody but those of us who have done a lot of study of the conflict.
Josef
It’s been quite a long time but I believe I have read that book. Wasn’t it written in the 70’s?
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:15 pm
RIP, Mr. Culp.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:18 pm
Kamchak,
I remember reading somewhere that Townshend quit performing due to his tinnitus. I can relate. Too many extremely loud concerts in my younger years.
Kamchak
March 24th, 2010
8:22 pm
TaxPayer
The only time that I was worried about permanent hearing damage was after seeing KISS at Center Stage. My ears rang for over a week.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:22 pm
Hillbilly…
It was written then. He’s one of our favorite commentators on Indian things…has a great sense of humor. He wrote once that he was attending a liberal conference in Cleveland on Indian issues. One of the participants was taking the stand that the Indians were, essentially, not doing a lot with the land insofar as development was concerned. That was the day the Cuyahoga caught fire and de Loria said, “I had to agree with him. No Indian I could bring to mind would have ever thought to create a flammable river.”
As for Custer…it’s far too complicated to go into in the space allotted here and most would not be interested anyway, but, Custer was one of those generals who were recruited for the genocide based on their actions during the Wah-uh, Sheridan of the Shennandoah outrages and author of the quote “the only good Indian is a dead Indian” being the most notorious.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:25 pm
Josef
I said corrective and I’m talking about fairness in that our markets are open to china and theirs are not open to us. Also, how can we compete against the low wages they pay their workers? Corrective tariffs, make it so that our $15 per hour wage earners can compete. They should be rising to our level, we shouldn’t be lowering to theirs.
Southern Comfort
March 24th, 2010
8:26 pm
HD
I think the first time I saw mention of him was at Gettysburg. I guess I’ll have to dig deeper when I get the time to do some extensive reading.
Speaking of reading, it’s time to read some bedtime stories to the lil sidekick.
I’ll see y’all later.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
8:27 pm
Taxpayer, thanks for that link on AGW. VERY informative.
After a great deal of thought on this issue I am absolutely convinced that the single greatest motivation for the GOP deniers is that they simply loathe ALL things “liberal”. Sadly this extends to education/academia/science.
I ma not sure why they take such a perverse pride in being scientifically ignorant, functionally uneducated and willfully uninformed. And still fighting the Scopes Monkey Trial.
“And conservatives probably think that Bush was the greatest president ever.”
Actually, I have seen a bit of a tiny change in this matter.
Now, from time to time I see some of the misnamed conservatives say, “I’m a conservative but not a Republican”. (Any guesses on just how many non-Republicans these people have EVER voted for though? My guess is one or two – likely Slick Willy)
Or the ever popular, “I didn’t like everything Bush did.” To me, this is akin to saying I don’t like every kind of ice cream there is. Talk about putting yourself out there!
Now granted, these are the not the most courageous people you will ever encounter, so their “regrets” are very, very timid.
I guess like the aforementioned and their beloved GWB, they can’t really think of any mistakes they made…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
8:28 pm
Bush was a fiscal failure, he gave stooges like Bookman the opportunity to childishly say “Bush did it too, ew,” he opened the door to immigration reform apparently thinking that everyone should have a little yard slave and that cleared the way for the dummycrats, who think we are all slaves, to bring in all of their government slaves/ voters form every foreign rathole they emerge from and he mealy mouthed on “global warming,” instead of laughing in your stupid liberal faces, just sayin…..
Besides which, Reagan was the greatest, duh, morons.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
8:30 pm
Josef
That’s the book I was thinking of. I remember being struck by his analysis of Indian humor. When I was reading it, I was thinking how it had the same dry, fatalistic characteristics as Appalachian humor.
After the inquiry into the Battle of the Little Big Horn, Grant and Sheridan both distanced themselves from him. They were correct though, that he made several major errors that caused things to turn out the way they did.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
8:31 pm
Taxpayer when The Who came to Atlanta in 1989 (their second farewell tour) there was some controversy about Townshend not playing any electric guitar, because of that problem.
And sure enough, for the first handful of songs, he played only acoustic. But I knew their records well enough to know those songs were written for acoustic guitar. (Some stuff from Tommy. etc.)
And then to crowds amazement and delight he strapped on a Stratocaster, and blew the doors off the place.
It was perhaps the single greatest concert I have ever been to. (And I have been to many, many concerts…)
Jay
March 24th, 2010
8:31 pm
Custer was a glory hound who finally got the disaster he had flirted with his entire career, including as a breveted cavalry general in the unpleasantness among the states (PC enough for you Josef?). It was just too bad that he took a lot of others down with him.
jt
March 24th, 2010
8:32 pm
Gonna try to catch a bass tomorrow. As a good citizen, I’m brushing up on my fed regs.
Here is one of 600 pages. Federal law trumps state.
Possession restrictions:
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March 24th, 2010
8:32 pm
obozo wouldn’t even have been qualified to wash Reagan’s jockstrap, just sayin….
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:32 pm
Mick–
Thanks. This is an area where I am woefully ill informed. How do you propose we do that when our consumer economy has become so dependent on Chinese imports?
SoCo–
Give Sidekick a hug from here!
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March 24th, 2010
8:33 pm
That’s hilarious, Bookman just described obozo.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:34 pm
Don’t forget john entwhistle, one of the most underated and greatest rock bass players ever..
jt
March 24th, 2010
8:34 pm
ALL VESSELS:
Possession restrictions:
jt
March 24th, 2010
8:35 pm
ALL VESSELS:
Possession restrictions:
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:36 pm
JAY–
I’ll go for that! Granny, when being diplomatic, not her strong suit in this matter, referred to it as The Recent Unpleasantness!” But as for Custer, you’ve got him nailed…
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
8:37 pm
Mick I once read that The Who had four “lead” players.
And IMHO they are simply the greatest rock band ever. And due to their durability and the depth of their catalog, surpassing even the Fab Four.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
8:38 pm
Jay @ 8:31
No argument from me on that. He proved it’s often a fine line between a hero and a goat.
They should be rising to our level, we shouldn’t be lowering to theirs.
A lot of people like to quote the line, “a rising tide lifts all boats”, but the inverse is just as true, a falling tide leaves lots of boats stranded aground.
Rightwing Troll
March 24th, 2010
8:38 pm
“obozo wouldn’t even have been qualified to wash Reagan’s jockstrap, just sayin….”
got it, thanks
Would Obozo be qualified enough to wash Nancy’s jockstrap? Or at least attend a seance with her?
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:39 pm
Gonna try to catch a bass tomorrow. As a good citizen, I’m brushing up on my fed regs.
Here is one of 600 pages. Federal law trumps state.
Possession restrictions:
You may wish to brush up on the state regs too if you plan on fishing for food versus trophy. That is unless you are not concerned about the possibility of eating too much PCB or mercury-tainted little fishies.
Rightwing Troll
March 24th, 2010
8:39 pm
(Andy obviously needed some affirmation…)
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:40 pm
Josef – produce in america and buy american
Jay – have you ever been to little big horn? I recommend it as a place to put on your list of american historical destinations. Without giving too much away, the one thing you can’t escape while driving there is the complete desolation of the area. Also, history books don’t record the true story of what mutalations the indians did to custers men.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:41 pm
obozo wouldn’t even have been qualified to wash Reagan’s jockstrap, just sayin….
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to those special qualifications… then again… .
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:42 pm
**surpassing even the Fab Four**
Without the fab four there would be no who! Don’t forget zep and the floyd.
Jay
March 24th, 2010
8:45 pm
I’ve read several historical accounts of that battle, Mick, although I’ve never walked the battlefield. And yes, it was a grisly affair. Although my recollection is that they treated the corpse of Goldenhair with respect.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:47 pm
*surpassing even the Fab Four**
Without the fab four there would be no who! Don’t forget zep and the floyd
Actually, I always heard that it was all Elvis’s fault. All those ladies claiming to be shocked and horrified by those whiplash hips — they were peeking the whole time and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It was all down hill from there.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
8:47 pm
Yeah, Mick, in retrospect putting ANYBODY ahead of The Beatles is probably unwise.
And Zeppelin and Floyd are certainly at the very pinnacle of the post British-invasion pantheon…
You know your culture from your trash ~Peter Gabriel
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
8:47 pm
@I Report
When you mention President Reagan do you think about Iran-Contra, Iraqgate, Air Traffic controllers, trickle-down economics, record budget deficits relative to GDP, Star Wars and other such triumphs?
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
8:49 pm
Mick–
Buy American is how I “feel” myself…I know there are a lot of arguments about the global market place and all that, and I do try to understand it in my mind, but my heart goes toward taking care of our own economy and workers…I’m Argentine enough to go for self-sufficiency…
Actually, Mick, the Indian histories do make mention of the mutilations–of course they bring it up as an understandable reaction to the wanton slaughter of old men, women and children carried out by the boys in blue…which may be why the white histories don’t…
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:53 pm
It is probably one of the coolest historical places to visit in the middle of nowhere. I will never forget being in montana in august and never feeling heat that hot in miami. Of course as soon as the sun goes down, so does the temp by 20 degrees. They have a great museum there and its definately worth the sidetrip if you get up that ways.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
8:53 pm
Enter your comments here
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
8:53 pm
Reagan might eventually get a point in the “win” column on his star wars venture if that air-borne laser continues to perform. That’s right out of the pages of Buck Rogers. It was just one of those things where the idea was just way ahead of our capabilities.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
8:54 pm
Jackie I prefer to remember the dictator coddling Ronnie and the war on Drugs and Pornography!
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/reagans_bloody_legacy.php
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March 24th, 2010
8:56 pm
Jaggie- Comparing them to what obozo has done in a year, they would be “glorious” triumphs, just sayin…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
8:58 pm
obozo just wrecked the entire US health care system, the libs come back Iran Contra, do hit git any better dan dis?
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March 24th, 2010
8:59 pm
spastics
Mick
March 24th, 2010
8:59 pm
The boys in blue killed indian women and children with no remorse. After killing all custers men they cut off their penis’ s and jammed in the dead soldiers mouths. That was the local account of the massacre in the museum. On the tombstones I was shocked to see many of those boys were from jersey, fish out of water..
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:00 pm
Hillbilly–
Your comment concerning the Appalachian sense of humor and that of the American Indian–that has always intrigued me. One of my passions is the influence of the American Indian on the Southern culture…the true history there is one of those untold chapters of the greater American story and, I maintain, one of the reasons that Uncle Sam’s red-headed step children have, do, and will continue to march to the beat of a different drummer…
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
9:01 pm
@I Report
What do you perceive will wreck the economy because of the health care bill passage?
One example would be sufficient.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:03 pm
The largest tax increase in history-
Mr. Reed specifically cited a change in the tax treatment of retiree health benefits. When Congress created the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003, it included a modest tax subsidy to encourage employers to keep drug plans for retirees, rather than dumping them on the government. The Employee Benefit Research Institute says this exclusion—equal to 28% of the cost of a drug plan—will run taxpayers $665 per person next year, while the same Medicare coverage would cost $1,209.
In a $5.4 billion revenue grab, Democrats decided that this $665 fillip should be subject to the ordinary corporate income tax of 35%. Most consulting firms and independent analysts say the higher costs will induce some companies to drop drug coverage, which could affect about five million retirees and 3,500 businesses. Verizon and other large corporations warned about this outcome.
U.S. accounting laws also require businesses to immediately restate their earnings in light of the higher tax burden on their long-term retiree health liabilities. This will have a big effect on their 2010 earnings.
That is what we should call it from now on.
I am the man.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:04 pm
Does that work for you, Jaggie?
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:08 pm
BRUNO
Hey! Good to see your here. The Romany lady said to tell you that she’s in your corner and will do what she can to help you find some happiness and says you’ll know what she means!
The genocide of the Plains Indians–well, there’s one place the Southerners come out clean…they weren’t allowed in the military of the time…but that little chapter of the American story, once you connect the dots, was a direct outgrowth of the occupation policies of the federal government’s actions against the Indian nations of Oklahoma in retribution for their having taken the “wrong side,” in the Wah-uh, having gotten a far better deal from Richmond than Washington.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
9:09 pm
Josef @ 9:00
It would be interesting to know how much of the Indians rubbed off on the Hillbillies and how much was the other way around. I’d guess it was a lot of both but it’s probably one of those things that’s lost to history, like leather-britches or the chiffarobe.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:10 pm
Businesses around the country are making the same calculations as Verizon and no doubt sending out similar messages. It’s only a small measure of the destruction that will be churned out by the rewrite of health, tax, labor and welfare laws that is ObamaCare, and only the vanguard of much worse to come.
I know for a fact that this is a true statement.
The largest tax increase in history, in the middle of a recession.
They are hellbent on damaging their own country, and if you cannot see that, you are the enemy.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
March 24th, 2010
9:11 pm
A government that wants to control private companies.
I agree that it;s shameful, Jay.
Glad you finally came around.
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
9:12 pm
@I Report
The tax increase does not appear to be hurting the economy. The DJIA has had the largest percentage increase in its history since President Obama took office. Professional economists have said the DJIA is a precursor to what will happen in future years. Looks like Happy Days are here again!
Secondly, the tax increase was needed to close the “donught hole” created by President Bush and the Repub controlled congress where seniors would be liable for $3500 after they met their deductible. Drug companies worked with President Obama to try and resolve this problem.
Got something else that is more illustrative of the economic wreck you perceive?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:13 pm
We have a real enemy in America, whether you know it or not.
And I ain’t talking about radical Islam.
Or am I?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:14 pm
2 days of this monstrosity and enemy combatant Jaggie says everything is fine with the economy.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:14 pm
AmVet–I see you were referencing a recent Harvard study claiming that lack of insurance “causes” 45,000 deaths per year. I don’t know if you actually read the specifics of the article, but that study proves absolutely nothing of the kind. There’s a world of difference between “causation” and “correlation”, my friend.
If you will read the study below, especially the second page, you will see that multiple factors come into play.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/17/science/sci-trauma-uninsured17
The bottom line, Am, is that health care is still available to all who ask. It’s true that many people don’t ask for fear of incurring large bills, but that’s different from saying that they were denied care. There’s really only one problem with our health care system, and it’s the cost. This bill does nothing to reduce overall costs, and in fact will add to them.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:15 pm
Good evening NIF
**A government that wants to control private companies**
I believe they are more interested in controlling information, at least we are wide open here on that score.
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
9:16 pm
@AmVet
I think President Reagan is going to be judged on of the worst Presidents in our history. Not only were his actions criminal, he was public with those actions because he had no one in Congress to put a brake on his excesses.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:19 pm
Hillbilly–
There’s been an upsurge lately in the study of that topic as the descendents of the Mixed Bloods have begun to reassert their identity. You might want to check out Donald Panther Yates..
Chiffarobes? My niece inherited Granny’s and Granddaddy’s–Granddaddy, whose hobby was woodworking, made them for Miz Georgia to furnish their first home…he did everything from cutting down the cedar trees forward…it was done to impress her mother who had her doubts about whether or not he could keep her baby girl in the style to which she was accustomed…those pieces are a work of art and a labor of love….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:19 pm
The U.S. has produced generations of upward strivers and competitors. Since 1950 til now, 82 of 150 Nobel laureates in medicine have been from the U.S. With enactment of this law, the U.S. will throttle down. Rather than spend our energies this century competing straight up with rising Asia for economic primacy, we’ll work to pay for the fat but happy social-welfare state of the last century.
Our greatness is gone.
Unless we take it back from the enemy.
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
9:19 pm
@I Report
You are adept at using specious comments and have nothing to say to back them up. Now, you have the opportunity to maintain your health insurance in spite of the pre-existing mental condition you have.
REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY
March 24th, 2010
9:19 pm
After seeing the numerous TERRORIST THREATS to democrat lawmakers for (God forbid) providing health care to uninsured… ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!! President Obama should take the fight to these domestic terrorists, just like al Qaeda in Pakistan !! Send a few predator drones into these white trash trailer parks and they will stfu !!!
getalife
March 24th, 2010
9:20 pm
“Health bill included big Republican idea: individual mandate:”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/23/90948/that-health-mandate-gop-is-suing.html
D’oh!
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:20 pm
Hiya B!
Hope you’re doing well.
“…that’s true that many people don’t ask for fear of incurring large bills…”
As in facing endless credit problems/ruined credit due to inability to pay. Or going bankrupt. I believe most decent hard working Americans (like that story I relayed earlier) do NOT want to stiff the doctor, hospital, etc.
But their are terrified of the devastating costs they will have to pay.
“…but that’s different from saying that they were denied care.”
And I have never posited such.
“There’s really only one problem with our health care system, and it’s the cost. This bill does nothing to reduce overall costs, and in fact will add to them.”
I completely concur…
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:21 pm
“Hey! Good to see your here. The Romany lady said to tell you that she’s in your corner and will do what she can to help you find some happiness and says you’ll know what she means!”
josef–I appreciate your well wishes, but my blood pressure isn’t going to come down until this health care bill is repealed. I can argue until I’m blue in the face backed up with statistic after statistic that this is the worst possible solution to providing health care to all citizens, but all the Bookman faithful can do is high-five themselves over their so-called victory.
In a note of conciliation, here’s a great tune from long time ago…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BsnmMkdPOM
getalife
March 24th, 2010
9:22 pm
“Our greatness is gone.
Unless we take it back from the enemy.”
Gitmo.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:23 pm
Slow down jackie, uncle ron did some good things. He brought confidence back to america after 444 days of malaise, made a wise decision after beirut and stayed away from the hornets nest. He outlived and outsmarted all his soviet counterparts. He was very likeable and great at speechifying, I have to give credit where credit is due..
Jackie
March 24th, 2010
9:25 pm
@AmVet
If the public option were a part of the health care bill, health care costs would go down dramatically. Since the Repubs have become nothing more than obstructionists that purport to fight for those they represent, it will be difficult to get the public option into law during the Congressional session.
If things go reasonably well during the election in November, the Repubs will have to defend themselves from their falsehoods, forcing them to truly represent their districts.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:25 pm
Jackie and though Whiner laughs it off, what Colonel North did was in my the beginning of the end for any respect for the rule of law.
Here is a guy who sets up a secret shop in the White house basement! And engages in traitorous and criminal activity. He then cuts a deal with a spineless congress that in exchange for his testimony he will avoid a certain prison sentence. And then the douche bag clams up like a Mafia hitman.
And the arguably addled Ronnie and his unindicted co-conspirator GHWB? They swear they don’t know a thing about it.
After Nixon one of the lowest points in Presidential history…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:29 pm
To keep that from happening, Republican candidates must focus on ObamaCare’s weaknesses. It will cost $2.6 trillion in its first decade of operation and is built on Madoff-style financing. For example, it double counts Social Security payroll taxes, long-term care premiums, and Medicare savings in order to make it appear more fiscally responsible. In reality, ObamaCare isn’t $143 billion in the black, as Democrats have claimed, but $618 billion in the red. And giving the IRS $10 billion to hire about 16,000 agents to enforce the new taxes and fees in ObamaCare will drive small business owners crazy.
We are gonna hang this around the enemies neck.
RB from Gwinnett
March 24th, 2010
9:29 pm
Jay, you and your cohorts are no different. Somehow you think you can have all the pie in the sky benefits of socialism without all the downsides that have ruined EVERY nation that has gone down that road. It’s a noble thought socialists, but it’s a lie. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
I’ve asked many times for the name of a country where socialism has left the vibrant and healthy and you libs have never come up with a single one. And you won’t because it doesn’t exist. Yet you want to take us there so fast you can’t stand yourselves.
One would think a party full of the nations worthless history majors would be able to learn something from it. Maybe they’re all too busy delivering pizza????
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:30 pm
**After Nixon one of the lowest points in Presidential history…**
Agreed.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
9:31 pm
Josef
Thanks. I bookmarked his website and I’ll check it out later. I’m still working my way through my Christmas stack of books. Been reading a lot lately on the post-Colonial period. Lots of people here wouldn’t believe it but my interests are a lot broader than just the Late Unpleasantness.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:32 pm
RB from Gwinnett
Please take a trip to norway or sweden, you might be surprised at what you see.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:33 pm
What the Bookman faithful (my new euphemism for you-know-what) fail to appreciate is that the insurance companies are simply clearinghouses for claims that originate somewhere else–in hospitals and doctor’s offices. They add on their administrative charges and a relatively small profit for sure, but the bulk of your insurance premium is due to the high cost of the underlying claims. With the new insurance mandate, both claims and administrative costs are going up–way up– if my predictions as a doctor and actuary are correct. The fact is that the 15% of the population who are currently uninsured are poor, and are going to contribute little to the kitty.
So keep celebrating, faithful–for what, none of you even know.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:33 pm
By the way, the reconciliation bill will also nationalize the private student loan industry, which employs thousands of Nebraskans. By voting against reconciliation, Mr. Nelson will claim he has defended his home-state workers, even though the White House and Nancy Pelosi deliberately added the student-loan takeover to help the Christmas Eve Senate bill get through the House. Perhaps the newly jobless can go into health care.
You can be stupid like the enemy thinks you are.
Or you can take your revenge.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:34 pm
“…the Late Unpleasantness.”
Hillbilly, not just a true master of all things music related, you are indeed a word smith!
And MUCH appreciated by this “curmudgeon”…
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:35 pm
REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY
” Send a few predator drones into these white trash trailer parks and they will stfu !!!”
Hateful, narrow-minded, classist and elitist bigot! But that’s okay, you latter day Custer, Sitting Bull’s got your number…
Bruno–
While we don’t always agree, my fellow liberals don’t want to be reminded, but the bill passed by a mere seven votes (or from your perspective, failed by the same few votes)…this is not going to go away anytime soon…but get that blood pressure under control…
Del
March 24th, 2010
9:35 pm
The question to my liberal friends as well as to my conservative friends is do you believe in a strong centralized federal government that’s all powerful with control over both domestic issues and international issues, or do you believe in a small federal government whose primary responsibility is our national security. Do you think that social programs are best administered at the lowest level of government or do you believe that the federal government should be in control at all levels. As a conservative, I think that this country should benefit from the Obama election as the questions I posed will be answered by Americans over the next few years and set the course that we as a nation truly subscribes to. My hope and prayer is that we go back to our core values that have set us apart as the greatest nation on earth under God.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:36 pm
Bruno
**So keep celebrating, faithful–for what, none of you even know.**
I respect your opinion but you might be wrong in your analysis, lets see how it plays out.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:37 pm
“If the public option were a part of the health care bill, health care costs would go down dramatically.”
Really? Prove to me that you’re nothing more than a blathering idiot by backing up your claim.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
9:39 pm
AmVet
Thank you but I can’t take credit for that phrase. It goes back well over a century and I have no idea who came up with it.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:41 pm
Del, I was looking up some information about that phrase in the Preamble to the US Constitution, “…promote the general Welfare,…” and started reading about the Tenth Amendment and the underlying history regarding the Adams camp and the Jefferson camp.
The SCOTUS has reversed itself a couple of times over the years regarding it as well.
The debate rages on today…
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:41 pm
Hillbilly–
My “for me” reading of late has been on the period 1492-1861 in relation to the American South. I’m calling it “The Dereconstruction of History–a revisionist view of the American South starting with Columbus.” I want to know more about the just what went into the make-up of that culture which found it necessary to take the actions it did…the simplistic textbook-popular culture version just doesn’t “get it” and what I am finding is intriguing…talk about Kundera’s “desert of organized forgetting!”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2010
9:43 pm
Bruno- I like to call it the biggest tax increase in history.
In the middle of a recession, no less.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:44 pm
Hillbilly, personally I’m no Civil war buff, but I still love it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_the_American_Civil_War
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
9:45 pm
“A lot of people like to quote the line, “a rising tide lifts all boats”, but the inverse is just as true, a falling tide leaves lots of boats stranded aground”
And not only that, you have to be IN a boat.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
9:46 pm
BTW, Bruno, great T of P tune that I had long ago forgotten.
RB from Gwinnett
March 24th, 2010
9:46 pm
Thanks for the suggestion Mick. I lived in Sweden for a while and if I never go back it won’t hurt my feelings one bit. A middle income family there lived in a 800 sq ft apartment and had 1 car. They could not afford anything more as their tax rate was right at 50 percent at that time. A Big Mac value meal cost 3 times what it did here in equivalent dollars. Gas was about the same price as here too, but it was per liter, not per gallon. You do the math on that one.
When you get done telling me what’s so damn great about that, maybe you can come up with a socialist nation that has a standard of living even in the same galaxy as ours.
BTW, the working class people there were pissed at all the tax money they paid to prop up worthless people and well meaning government causes.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:48 pm
“I respect your opinion but you might be wrong in your analysis, lets see how it plays out.”
What bothers me so much, Mick, is that the people in charge of passing this thing haven’t the faintest clue about the underlying issues, or they would have never handed our collective financial futures over to the medical industrial complex lock, stock and barrel.
“this is not going to go away anytime soon…but get that blood pressure under control…”
My best hope is that the states suing over the constitutionality of requiring every citizen to purchase a commercial product will be successful. Comparisons to the requirement to purchase auto insurance are invalid.
Dusty
March 24th, 2010
9:49 pm
Bruno,
I am glad you are here with your honest and professional opinion of what this healtcare bill will do. I have read the liberals here rant and rave all day in their joy over their success. They seem to think it is time to denigrate every Republican in history. I get the feeling that their main thought is they will get free medeical care because they deserve it.. They don’t care what it will do to the quality of healtcare, just so they get it.cheap or free.
The fact that Democrats used undercover tactics and unscrupulous methods to acquire votes makes this bill as unAmerican as any one every passed. A permanent atmosphere of distrust has been established. I will not forget that in any forthcoming election.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:49 pm
Del–
As always, I am glad to hear your perspective. I, too, believe that it is time to get back to the fundamentals of who we are as a nation and as a people…the real impact of this particular piece of social legislation, just like the Great Society and the New Deal, will be a long time in coming and I probably won’t be here to see it…but, if the past is prologue, we’ll get through this, too…
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
9:51 pm
AmVet
Since I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately about the post-Colonial period, I’ve learned a lot and it’s really quite interesting. We’re basically having a lot of the same disagreements they were having then. The names are different but it’s still basically Federalists versus Anti-Federalists.
One thing I did learn recently is that George Washington and Alexander Hamilton, among others, were opposed to the Bill Of Rights. Their argument was that the Constitution only allowed what was specifically stated, for instance, it didn’t say speech could be restricted, so they felt those amendments were unnecessary.
And a lot of people lose sight of the fact today, that the Constitution is vague for a reason, that’s the only way they could get everybody to agree to it. They sort of glossed over some of the areas of disagreement to get it ratified. All in all though, it’s served us pretty well.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:52 pm
RB from Gwinnett
When were you there 1950? OK, ever been to switzerland? Italy?
Del
March 24th, 2010
9:53 pm
AmVet,
The debate does rage on and ultimately the American people will have to decide at the election polls or by some other means. I hope it’s at the polls, however, this is by far, I think the most unrest we’ve had since Vietnam and this time it’s coming from the right. BTW…Col. Ollie North isn’t a traitor nor a douche bag. We didn’t have those types in the Que Son Valley Vietnam April-November 1967.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
9:54 pm
“Bruno- I like to call it the biggest tax increase in history.”
Reporter–All they had to do was to study the results of the same scheme in Massachusetts, and it would be immediately clear that virtually none of the intended benefits occurred, and costs went way up. I guess that was too complicated to do that. Or maybe like every other socialist/communist in History they thought “This time’s gonna be different. We’re gonna do it right this time!”
Mick
March 24th, 2010
9:57 pm
Hi Dusty
I can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I do not judge people on political viewpoints, cause if I did I’d have to divorce some of my own family. Hope you are having a great evening..
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
9:57 pm
AmVet–
Great link! Uncle Ralph always said that the war might be over when we could agree on what to call it…I personally subscribe to the War for Southern Independence as the most accurate, but am willing to go for the compromise of Civil War from the strictly academic and popular culture standpoint. All in all, it depends on how I feel about a particular aspect and frame of reference…overall, though, i tend to fall into the camp of Granny who referred to it as the Invasion of the Infidel Horde!
RB from Gwinnett
March 24th, 2010
10:00 pm
No, Mick, I’m not that old. Never been to Switzerland or Italy, but what happened to Sweden? Not on the top of your fantasy list any more since the facts don’t support your lie? Are you going to keep throwing out names of nations until you find one nobody actually knows anything about?
Here’s a better idea, Mick. YOU go live there for a few years and then come back and tell me I’m not right. Unless you’re one of the leeches living on the backs of everbody else, I think you’ll see it ain’t all that grand. If it were, people would be moving there instead of moving away from there.
Facts suck don’t they Mick.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
10:04 pm
Del, North’s valor in combat (Silver Star, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts) is irrefutable.
But for what he did during the Reagan administration, he deserved to be convicted of those felonies. And even in that wonderful medal-clad uniform, he disgraced himself. (Just my opinion of course.)
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:05 pm
“I get the feeling that their main thought is they will get free medical care because they deserve it..”
“it is time to get back to the fundamentals of who we are as a nation and as a people…”
Dusty and josef–The core issue at stake, which everyone keeps dancing around, is whether or not health care costs should be shared by all of society, or remain an individual responsibility. IMO, either choice is valid, and there are successful systems available to support each of those two choices (socialized medicine or free market medicine). BUT, rather than choosing a sensible solution based on a clear-cut social choice, Obama and the Dems came up with a hybrid solution which has none of the advantages of either of the aforementioned systems, and all of the disadvantages.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
10:05 pm
I think this a great country still but it’ll never be the country it can be, until we rid ourselves of that Abomination From Hell, the Designated Hitter.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
10:06 pm
Well, I could go on fighting the War of the Rebellion (another accurate term and the name under which the official United States government records are published) all night, but tomorrow is the Cold War for the little ones, so I’ve got to move ahead a few years in my contemplation of history…y’all have a good one…
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
10:07 pm
“And even in that wonderful medal-clad uniform, he disgraced himself. (Just my opinion of course.)”
I would reword it just a bit: “ESPECIALLY in that wonderful medal-clad uniform, he disgraced himself. (Just my opinion of course.)”
Del
March 24th, 2010
10:07 pm
joeef,
I hope you’re right, only the difference is we no longer have an industrial base, we’re in serious debt and we’re on the verge of bankruptcy. Setting ideology aside those conditions are facts. Many of us look at this administration and their agenda with disbelief fully knowing that what they’re doing we just can’t afford. Can you explain it beyond faith that all will turn out well. Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t see it and I’m not the only one.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
10:09 pm
RB from Gwinnet
I’m not gonna lower myself to your level with cheap insults. No, I haven’t been to sweden, just what I know from people who have been there. But I have been to switzerland and Italy and its no fantasy my friend. Socialism is not bad, but don’t lose too much sleep over it because people like you will always be on the front lines trying to protect the millionaires and billionaires even though statistically you’ll never come close. Just so you know, I’ve never collected a dime of welfare in my life but I believe its a great safety net and I believe in healthcare for all in the greatest country on earth? Whats wrong with that?
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
10:10 pm
BRUNO
Very quickly, I agree with you wholeheartedly with the problem being the hybrid nature…it ain’t gonna work for that very reason…either you know what or get off the pot…but then, I’m a simpleton…
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:10 pm
And Dusty, I do appreciate your words of support. I try not to let my ugly side escape, even on a blog, but I haven’t been this upset in years. Ditto for josef and AmVet.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
10:11 pm
BTW one last little tidbit about North and Iran/Contra.
Guess who got his convictions vacated?
The right wing’s most beloved champions of American jurisprudence – the American Civil Liberties Union.
Suck on that one ACLU haters!
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
10:12 pm
Unless we take it back from the enemy.
The only thing you are going to do is continue to yap.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
10:14 pm
I think the last two American administrations have us all in a tizzy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GytPv_v29lc
Del
March 24th, 2010
10:14 pm
AmVet,
You’re entitled to your opinion. North can walk down any rifle company street in the United States Marine Corps and get salutes. He would from this old Recon Marine.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:15 pm
“I agree with you wholeheartedly with the problem being the hybrid nature…it ain’t gonna work for that very reason…either you know what or get off the pot…but then, I’m a simpleton…”
josef–The most brilliant solutions in the world of engineering/mathematics are the simplest. In this case, the solution is so screamingly obvious, yet our so-called brilliant, Harvard-educated President can’t see the forest for the trees. There is no middle of the road to ride on here.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
10:15 pm
They seem to think it is time to denigrate every Republican in history. I get the feeling that their main thought is they will get free medeical care because they deserve it.. They don’t care what it will do to the quality of healtcare, just so they get it.cheap or free.
Typical stoopid talk.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
10:15 pm
Del–
Well, yes, blind faith and being an incurable optimist….
Bruno–
I understand. I’ve got my issues, too…and some, even, are contemporary!
Dusty
March 24th, 2010
10:17 pm
Well, Mick,
I am not aniti-war, anti-Bush nor anti-American. The only way I know people here are what they say. When they hate the president (Bush), work against the American military’s efforts, push us into great debt and policies that the majority do not want, I cannot keep a high opinion of them.
Free speech is fine. But it does not mean that I have to agree with everything that is said and done..
Dusty
March 24th, 2010
10:20 pm
Taxpayer,
When did you take over for the old man?
Glad you repeated my statements. They are still true. That’s why they irritate you so much.
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
10:21 pm
“North can walk down any rifle company street in the United States Marine Corps and get salutes. ”
Thereby proving that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
10:22 pm
“…until we rid ourselves of that Abomination From Hell, the Designated Hitter.”
Yet more wisdom.
Nine against nine. The way it was and should forever be…
Bruno, my good friend, it’s only castles burning…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU9_Q7PJuNQ&feature=related
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
10:24 pm
AmVet
If a guy ain’t good enough to play in the field, he needs to ride the pines or retire.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
10:24 pm
Dusty
This blog is kinda like all those talking head shows except we are the ones doing the talking or arguing. I may disagree with you politically but you sure can write some classic lines and when your hot – your hot…that counts way more in my book.
TaxPayer
March 24th, 2010
10:24 pm
Glad you repeated my statements. They are still true. That’s why they irritate you so much.
I await your proof that your statements are “true”. I just won’t be holding my breath. And yes, your “stoopid talk” is rather irritating.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:27 pm
“Bruno, my good friend, it’s only castles burning…”
It’s worse, Am–that funny smell surrounding this bill is our money going up in smoke. And people are cheering (?).
Great tunes, friend.
josef nix
March 24th, 2010
10:28 pm
g’night for real…
Del
March 24th, 2010
10:30 pm
10:21pm,
That comment doesn’t merit a response because you’ve never been there.
AmVet
March 24th, 2010
10:30 pm
josef, you old scalawag hater!
Sweet dreams and seeya later…
RB from Gwinnett
March 24th, 2010
10:31 pm
Mick, did you just visit Italy and Switzerland on vacation or did you live there with a job where the government took half you paycheck so you could have “free” healthcare? Did you have to make your personal finances work on what was left of your paycheck? Did you meet people who have similar jobs to what you have here and see what their standard of living looks like compared to yours?
You just don’t get it do you? You want the fantasy socialism sells you, but you aren’t willing to open your eyes and look at the facts in front of your face. It’s a lie, Mick. It’s a sham being sold to you by the man behind the curtain and you’re buying it hook line and sinker.
Do you have a cabinet full of “lose weight without diet or exercise” crap too?
And I couldn’t care less about millionaires or billionairs, Mick. The vast majority of them worked their arses off to get where they are and what they do with what they earned is none of my business. In fact, I’m damn grateful one of them gives me a paycheck twice a month.
Kamchak
March 24th, 2010
10:33 pm
Glad you repeated my statements.
Braying from the barnyard.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:39 pm
“Mick, did you just visit Italy and Switzerland on vacation or did you live there with a job where the government took half you paycheck so you could have “free” healthcare?”
Which is why Obama and Pelosi didn’t put what they really wanted out for a vote, RB: full-blown socialized medicine. So instead, they tried to emulate “universal health care” using the liberal-devil themselves, the insurance companies, as a proxy. Unfortunately, very few Libs are connecting the dots right now to realize their buddies just sold us down the river to the drug and insurance companies big-time.
getalife
March 24th, 2010
10:40 pm
The gop are too weak to stand up against a radio and tv entertainer.
They need new leaders who can stand up to terrorist threats.
I noticed the dems have more spine than the gop now.
Mick
March 24th, 2010
10:42 pm
RB from Gwinnett
You make too many assumptions and have this attack persona. I should assume that you have the I got mine now go get yours mentality. If it is so important for you to be right and I’m wrong then, ok, you are takin me to school – no problem..
Del
March 24th, 2010
10:43 pm
Things seem to be getting tired. Me too y’all…Taps
DoggoneGA
March 24th, 2010
10:45 pm
“very few Libs are connecting the dots right now to realize their buddies just sold us down the river to the drug and insurance companies big-time”
Well, I knew it from the very beginning.
getalife
March 24th, 2010
10:46 pm
The gop will introduce an amendment to stop the Pope and Catholics from taking viagra.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
10:51 pm
Bruno
I’ve thought all along you are right about that, that they tried to please everybody and haven’t pleased anybody. It’s either got to be free market or single payer to work. And like I’ve said before, I’d like to try something like the Canadian system.
96 SC
March 24th, 2010
10:52 pm
Corporate America is the main enabler for China’s International Character. Companies like BofA are developing organizations within China’s Borders in order to enhance the Corporate Bottom Line. A lot of the Stimulus Funds is landing in China, thus our American Economy continues to suffer because of Coorperate Greed.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
10:58 pm
“And like I’ve said before, I’d like to try something like the Canadian system.”
I can respect that, HD. As you have referenced, one trip to the ER can be 1/2 of a year’s salary, especially if it is a heart problem. As a stick-in-the-mud individualist, I prefer the free market solution. My only guess as to what the “faithful” here are cheering is they think this hybrid system is a legitimate step in the direction of single payer, even though it’s not. It may be a step in that direction only when costs go through the roof immediately and single-payer will be a much more attractive option.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
11:02 pm
Bruno
I think it’s going to be a lot like the Tort Reform in GA in 2005. Nobody is really going to notice any difference and insurance costs are going to keep right on going up.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
11:02 pm
This probably has been put out before, HD–Lot of talent on one stage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy_CZDtIuz0
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2010
11:06 pm
Great tune Bruno
If you’re into guitar players, you need to see Tony Rice live, if you haven’t already. He’s as good as any, in any type of music.
Dusty
March 24th, 2010
11:08 pm
Getalife,
Time for you to get off your prescription marijuana. You had a strong man against terrorism and you hated him.
Who is the strong one against terrorism now ? Who? We don’t have a strong executive branch in Washington anymore. It is Chicago politicians with an Acorn type agenda. Too bad they ever left Chicago.
Bruno
March 24th, 2010
11:08 pm
If you hear of him coming around, HD, let me know.
Gotta run, catch you later.
JDW
March 24th, 2010
11:10 pm
No picking on Switzerland…tax burden there is less than NYC.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/tax_burden_country_ranks_2009.html
Dusty
March 24th, 2010
11:17 pm
Goodnight, Mick. Keep the peace and all that. Pleasant dreams.
getalife
March 24th, 2010
11:39 pm
Dusty,
Silll consistent on being wrong.
I doubt that will ever change.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 25th, 2010
5:28 am
The bill passed Wednesday in the House combines $13.2 billion in interest subsidies for local construction bonds with $3.6 billion in tax cuts for small businesses and $2.5 billion in aid to states to pay for expanded welfare programs through September 2011. -Urinal
Yeah, expanding the welfare roles is sure to help job growth.
It’s almost as though your enemy wants you to be unemployed and broken.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 25th, 2010
5:33 am
Heavy-equipment maker Caterpillar says the new health care law will create a $100 million drag on its first-quarter earnings because of tax law changes.
The Peoria company said Wednesday that the bill President Barack Obama signed this week will reduce the tax deduction it receives for its retiree health care program.-Urinal
And that’ll be after they squeeze retirees for benefits and costs.
The largest tax increase in history.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
6:11 am
This is what you get for trying to be bi partisan-
Let us start with all the lies that Barack Obama told or the promises that he broke, each one of which will damage our way of life as the falsehood is made manifest in law.-Quinn Hilyer, Amspec
How’s Sarah looking now, Quinn?
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
6:15 am
Gez, I jumped the gun on Quinn quotes-
The mandate to buy health insurance is an abomination. The very thought of a government forcing individuals to buy something the individuals don’t want is anathema. It is abject tyranny. It is manifestly unconstitutional. It is despotic. It is so antithetical to the American tradition as to be unacceptable and invalid. For those reasons, it may well lead to non-violent civil disobedience on a massive scale.=Amspec
You reckon?
Rightwing Troll
March 25th, 2010
6:21 am
“Who is the strong one against terrorism now ? Who? ”
Obama is, obviously. That’s whay the top twenty leaders of Al Queda and the Taliban are NOW being picked off one by one in Paki if need be. Something W the cocaine cowboy of the Alabama National Guard couldn’t seem to do…
That was a beachball.
And Sarah is still hot, but still stoopider than a box of rocks… like her followers…can’t wait to see her “reality” show on Discovery… It will finally have nut sacks tuning into a science channel, maybe they’ll accidentally learn something…ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
6:24 am
Judicial activists and tyrannical politicians have set in motion through the lawlessness of this “living” Constitution a form of chaos that will eventually consume them. After all, their authority depends upon that real Constitution, and if it lacks authority so do they. If politicians can ignore the supreme law of the land, why exactly do the people have to obey theirs? If the Constitution isn’t binding, what makes their laws binding?-Neumayr, Amspec
Just sayin….
AmVet
March 25th, 2010
6:30 am
Ralph Nader is probably chuckling over this possibility…
Washington (CNN) – Democrats will get a boost if the Tea Party movement fields its own candidates in this year’s Congressional elections, according to a new national poll.
A Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday morning also indicates that the 13 percent of American voters who say they are part of the Tea Party movement tend to be mainly white and Republican.
According to the poll, Americans say they’ll vote for a Republican over a Democrat in the November elections by a 44 to 39 percent margin.
But the addition of a Tea Party candidate to the ballot changes the dynamic: The Republican candidate drops dramatically to 25 percent and the Democrat only slightly to 36 percent, while 15 percent would back the Tea Party candidate.
Rightwing Troll
March 25th, 2010
6:30 am
“We have a real enemy in America, whether you know it or not.
And I ain’t talking about radical Islam.
Or am I?”
You are obviously talking about Nut Sacks…
“Our greatness is gone.
Unless we take it back from the enemy.”
We did, last November, and the enemy has been whining and crying like a little girl ever since… pathetic really.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
6:47 am
another day … more drivel from AmSpec … oy.
Rightwing Troll
March 25th, 2010
6:47 am
“This came after Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother’s gas lines were cut, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats and Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for health care overhaul.”
Angry, violent little nut sacks. The American Talibs. Pathetic…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
6:50 am
RWT – yep … it’s them on the left that are the violent ones …
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
6:55 am
Paragraph one, geez
Bookman-
When asked about the claim that the pe-rc-eption that the U.S. is too reflexively pro-Israel puts American soldiers at risk, Petraeus said, “There is no mention of lives anywhere in there. I actually reread the statement. It doesn’t say that at all.”
I Report :-) You Whine :-( Have A Drink On Us, obozo!
March 25th, 2010
6:58 am
Bookman-
When asked about the claim that the perception that the U.S. is too reflexively pro-Israel puts American soldiers at risk, Petraeus said, “There is no mention of lives anywhere in there. I actually reread the statement. It doesn’t say that at all.”
“We noted in there that there was a perception at times that America sides with Israel and so forth. And I mean, that is a perception. It is there. I don’t think that’s dis-pu-table. But I think people inferred from what that said and then repeated it a couple of times and bloggers picked it up and spun it. And I think that has been unhelpful, frankly.”
Being “unhelpful,” again?
How’s it feel to be directly repudiated by a man of honor?
Rightwing Troll
March 25th, 2010
7:02 am
Now he’s a “man of honor” huh?
the other day before your little troll find in AmSpec he was anything but…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww…..
josef nix
March 25th, 2010
7:06 am
I love the smell of napalm on the blog in the morning! It reminds me of, well, something! Off to do battle with the current Scalawag history text and, still praying in public schools, beseeching the Allm-ghty that the Texas version doesn’t come in…last night’s homework was to define “moral dilemma” and put yourself in Truman’s position with the decision of whether or not to drop the bomb. Had to step outside the text to give them the term “moral dilemma.” They had some really good examples of what one is as we were defining the term…of course, folks hereabouts wouldn’t know one if they tripped over it…oh, wait, we do trip over ‘em…we wouldn’t recognize one WHEN we trip over it…
Have a nice day…
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:08 am
If you have a Right
To the service I provide,
I must be a Slave.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:11 am
haiku guy –
if you do not like
what you do for a living
find a new career
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:14 am
Not too shabby Haiku chick.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:15 am
haiku guy –
t’anks!
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:25 am
Every day whiner
Shares the “wisdom” of AmSpec
Making our eyes roll
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:27 am
Today Petraeus
is a hero to the right
Friday … maybe not …
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
7:27 am
Mornin’.
Guy and USinUK, got your Biden Haiku here.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:30 am
Other than the Dead
Bruno has great taste in tunes
which is why he rocks
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:31 am
Democrats in charge
The lust for control makes
Freedom fly away.
Paul
March 25th, 2010
7:32 am
Morning, josef nix
That’s an example of a moral dilemma? Whether or not to use a nuke against Japan or go ahead with an invasion?!!? Might be worthwhile to read what Pres Truman had to say about the ‘dilemma’”. It doesn’t appear he viewed it as one, at all. Then again, maybe that was one of the points of the exercise? To have students confront the range of factors in play, not to follow the popular path of looking at historical events through a current moral lens? I look forward to hearing what they wrote.
PS – are we still on the ‘Texas textbook’ thing? Noted last week – this is a change from the last time the state board met, when they turned down every conservative recommendation. This board, at least, aimed for a ‘one for one’ approval. And most of those issues people cite? They’re not even in the current standards – from the previous process controlled by liberals.
Paul
March 25th, 2010
7:34 am
mornin’, USinUK
followup to a question you asked earlier: I’ve used Trumper products for a long, long time. Usually ordered in from their London establishment. Great products and a way to begin a hectic day with a bit of a slower, relaxing ritual.
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:35 am
A rotten egg sits
Healthcare legislation shares
The same smell of it.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:35 am
g’morning dB! great haiku … however, nothing – but nothing – will ever live up to the Mullet Haiku
http://trailerpark.tribe.net/thread/537ac432-a7d1-4f90-a887-fe82846c0758
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
7:36 am
Liberty, freedom
Wingnuts think they discovered
The year before last
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:37 am
Paul – 7:34 – ya big girl
seriously, though – thanks for the linkee …. may have to look into a few products for the mister
Normal
March 25th, 2010
7:37 am
USinUK,
I like Whiner’s AmSpec trolls. The belly laugh they give me has to be good for my heart. And there is nothing like starting the day with mirth…
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:38 am
Normal – 7:37 – I hear ya – it gives my eye muscles a good workout …
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:39 am
The best one DB-
Hey, Blue Cross Blue Shield
“This is a big —-ing deal.”
But I’m still on hold?
Paul
March 25th, 2010
7:40 am
Haiku Guy
Such language! Who was that – Cheney?
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:41 am
the k street scandal
tom delay dictates staffing
but dems “crave power” ???
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:42 am
haiku guy – that one made me snort, too
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:43 am
Excellent USnUK
Sits in his Pinto
Thumbs through the Auto Trader
Hemi ‘cuda dreams
-D. Adaka
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:45 am
Haiku guy – I liked
Kool smoke mullet stands
At window watching rain fall
Soft on his IROC
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:46 am
Okay I will stop.
It’s not a trailer
Angry mullet man insists
Manufactured home
-KJ
Normal
March 25th, 2010
7:48 am
USinUK,
Your hear about California putting the legalization of recreational pot on the ballot in November? If it passes, it will put a whole new meaning to California Dreaming…just sayin’.
If it brings in the big tax revenues like they predict, then Obama can legalize it federally, and a stoned Congress can’t be all bad…
Normal
March 25th, 2010
7:50 am
Hakui Guy
Ain’t nothin’ mobil about a Mobil Home…
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2010
7:53 am
Did someone say “stone” the Georgia congress?
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
7:55 am
Normal
Unfortunantly, they will screw the herb up too.
For now,,smoke’em if ya got’em.
How many times did you hear that?
Rightwing Troll
March 25th, 2010
7:56 am
Yes. Thier promise of “ethics reform” amounted to a giveaway to thier NRA masters…
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:56 am
Normal – 7:50 – until a tornado … then it’s VERY mobile …
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!
March 25th, 2010
7:59 am
Now he’s a “man of honor” huh?
the other day before your little troll find in AmSpec he was anything but…
Au contraire, I said verbatim, that it sounded like Patreous was speaking under duress.
I should have known Bookman was twisting his words.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:00 am
Normal – a stoned congress … I’m picturing some very odd parliamentary procedures …
“will the gentleman in the will yield his time for a question”
“the floor recognizes the congressman from San Louis Obispo”
“oh, man… I forgot what I was going to say … “
Normal
March 25th, 2010
8:00 am
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
7:56 am
Keep it up, my monitor gets another cleaning…
———————
Hakui Guy
“smoke’em if ya got’em.”
Every time they would brief me on the mission I was going on…
Normal
March 25th, 2010
8:03 am
USinUK,
“Motion to paint day-glo stars on the ceiling and put in black lights..”
“Far out, man…seconded, dude…”
Paul
March 25th, 2010
8:03 am
USinUK
Something across the pond:
“France to ban veil says Nicolas Sarkozy”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7516643/France-to-ban-veil-says-Nicolas-Sarkozy.html
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:04 am
Normal – more like “motion to suspend debate for a 7-11 run” “seconded!”
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:05 am
Paul – 8:03 – that’s been in discussion for months, now … considering the drubbing Sarkozy just got in the polls, we’ll have wait and see on that one
(for the record, I’m all for it)
Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
8:16 am
“Something across the pond:
“France to ban veil says Nicolas Sarkozy”
France finally grows a set of balls.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:19 am
OGK – “France finally grows a set of balls”
um. ever heard of Napoleon???
just wondering.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:23 am
Napoleon B
thought he could capture
Russia. not so much.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:25 am
British irony:
Paris to London by train
arrive Waterloo.
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
8:29 am
Outhouse- You no correct Haiku. you go now to back of room.
The frogs have spoken
now the veils will disappear
and cap-and-tax too.
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
8:29 am
um. ever heard of Napoleon???
just wondering.
Wingnut heritage
Begins and ends with Limbaugh
rational folks weep
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:32 am
Haiku guy – 8:29
dB – more like:
wingnut history:
if it happened in Europe
it don’t matter much
Outhouse GoKart
March 25th, 2010
8:35 am
Ive heard of Neopolitan…is that anything like this naploin fellow?
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2010
8:36 am
Our Georgia Republicans are willing to legalize carrying guns in churches and on college campuses but they will not allow guns under the gold dome or in the court rooms. What a pack of cowards. Too skeered to put their own lives on the line but more than happy to put anyone else’s life out there.
USinUK
March 25th, 2010
8:36 am
hey! it’s a new game!! headline haiku!!
new proto-human
discovered by scientists
Rush Limbaugh explained?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032401926.html?hpid=topnews
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2010
8:39 am
Dang, deadthreaded, and I forgot to post an on-topic comment, but back to GoDaddy/Google, if anyone’s still around and cares–Lost in all this is something mentioned in the very last graf of the WaPo piece Jay linked.
Alan Davidson, Google’s director of public policy, said governments worldwide should develop new rules to combat unfair trade barriers online and should make Internet freedom part of the criteria for receiving development aid. He noted that the number of governments that routinely censor the Internet has grown from a handful in 2002 to more than 40 today.
I’m all for taking shots at China for what they’ve done, but they are not alone; I heard mention of what India does, routinely, in an NPR news story the other day, just as an example. We might want to broaden the scope of what we consider inexcusable, or at least be aware of what other folks are doing.
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2010
8:39 am
Republicans Risk Sour Grapes Label With Talk of Repeal
They surpassed “sour grapes” way back. Now they’re pushing whatever came after “pathetic”.
Hakui Guy
March 25th, 2010
8:39 am
Gorden Brown sits mute
three hundred tons of gold is
smiling in his eyes.
TnGelding
March 25th, 2010
10:00 am
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin…
March 25th, 2010
5:28 am
It won’t grow jobs but it will KEEP them.
CAT doesn’t have a clue at this point. Wait until the regulations are implemented.
C tha 1
March 25th, 2010
10:08 am
China’s conflict between GoDaddy.com along with Google is a conflict between a private company and a country. No more no less. Better yet it amounts to a bunch of nerds arguing over a computer!
Ultimately this doesn’t effect the U.S. economy. If we as Americans really were serious about becoming independent of China we would quit taking our cheap azzes to Walmart and cough up a little bit more money and buy from American producers! Quit being so cheap America! If we want the economy to turn around buy everything made in the USA.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...
March 25th, 2010
5:56 pm
“If they want to have that fight, we can have it,” obozo told a university crowd in Iowa two days after putting his name on the most sweeping change in U.S. social policy in decades.
Yeah, we fight, you whine.
Let’s take off the gloves, you socialist punk.
Santiago Cueto
March 25th, 2010
8:55 pm
Google’s defiance of China’s censorship mandate illustrates the power of corporate social responsibility initiatives to influence and reshape the repressive policies of authoritarian regimes. Secretary Clintons recent remarks about the information curtain dividing the world, reminded me of the apartheid era where much greater injustice and unspeakable acts against humanity were challenged and ultimately overcome through the use of corporate codes of conduct.
Given the success of codes of conduct in ending apartheid, we should look at applying the same principles to lift the information curtain China and in other repressive countries.
This was the subject of an article on the International Business Law Advisor—The Great Firewall of China: How Lessons from the Apartheid Era Can Lift the Information Curtain published on January 22, 2010
http://www.intlbusinesslaw.com
Pogo
March 30th, 2010
3:55 pm
Custer was a pompous ass. An American Fop, if you will.