Ga. legislators insist on right to accept expensive ‘gifts’ from lobbyists

Last November, Gov. Sonny Perdue and a staff member were flown by private jet to Austin, Texas, site of the 2009 Republican Governors Association meeting, and then home.

The $5,000 flight was provided courtesy of the thoughtful folks at Altria, the nation’s largest tobacco company. And that was hardly the only example of Altria’s altruism.

A few months earlier, an Altria lobbyist kicked in $387 to buy a nice dinner for Perdue and three staffers at the Beau Rivage Casino in Mississippi, site of the National Governors Association meeting.

In early February, the company spent $7,445 on a dinner for members of the state House and Senate agriculture committees. And late last year, an Altria lobbyist spent $437.71 for “hunting trip/relationship building at Southern Woods Plantation” on behalf of state Rep. David Knight. (That was just half of Knight’s bill — a second lobbyist covered the rest.)

Of course, there’s no evidence whatsoever that the gift from Altria has influenced Knight’s decision-making as a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, the tax-writing panel. Nor is there evidence that the rather lavish dinner for agriculture committee members swayed their thinking about Altria and its interests.

And certainly, when it came time for Perdue to draw up a budget for 2011, the generosity and hospitality shown by Altria had no discernible impact on the governor’s decisions.

True, a tobacco tax increase of $1 a pack would raise a badly needed $355 million and help discourage smoking. It is also true that Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina and Texas, among others, already have boosted tobacco taxes to raise revenue.

But if Perdue chose not to take that course — he decided to tax hospitals instead — surely he had his reasons.

On the other hand, it would appear that the folks at Altria have reason to believe otherwise. They are spending money in this fashion because they think it will pay off, just as they hope that the $35,532 that Altria spent last month in Georgia on “grass-roots lobbying” will have an impact. (Thirty-five grand can buy a lot of fertilizer for those anti-tax grass roots.)

Under Georgia law, gifts to legislators are perfectly legal as long as they are not part of an explicit deal. In the executive branch, while Perdue issued an order in 2003 banning acceptance of gifts by state employees, he has clearly found ways of evading it himself when he’d rather fly corporate than commercial, where he might rub elbows with actual Georgians who pay his salary.

That’s the other part ofthe problem. Yes, lobbyists provide gifts for legislators and public officials in hopes that the favor would be returned. But it also has another insidious effect.

The wooing and courting by lobbyists tend to elevate public officials in their own minds, confirming their distance above the common people they are supposed to represent. It is the job of the lobbyists to make their targets feel special, and they are all too good at it.

Not everyone, for example, gets treated to a free hunting trip at Southern Woods, “accompanied by our professional hunting guides and a selection of our well-trained hunting dogs as you pursue the native bobwhite quail.”

Apparently, such gifts will be allowed to continue. According to Rep. Joe Wilkinson, chairman of the House Ethics Committee, “reform” legislation introduced in the General Assembly won’t even limit gifts.

That’s amazing. Even Congress, which has an approval rating of 16 percent, has been wise enough to ban gifts and trips for its members and staff.  But here in Georgia, the General Assembly can’t bring itself to take that step. Apparently, they feel as though they’re entitled.

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Normal

March 23rd, 2010
1:16 pm

Ga. legislators insist on right to accept expensive ‘gifts’ from lobbyists

Can’t be Republican otherwise…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 23rd, 2010
1:18 pm

Well, I don’t how these legislators are going to live if they need to buy their own meals. Bookman never thinks of that.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

stands for decibels

March 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm

’bout time the dead tree edition column appeared online.

Sort of a side issue, but this should be required reading for anyone who claims that legislators should be paid subsistence wages.

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
1:22 pm

Only elitists think they are entitled to anything.

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
1:23 pm

except healtcare, of course… :D

getalife

March 23rd, 2010
1:27 pm

This is what gop’s Waterloo looks like.

NowReally

March 23rd, 2010
1:31 pm

Very few people can receive gifts and not let the gifts influence their decision making. It’s how most marketing stategies work, I scratch your back and you scratch mine. Nothing in this world is free, as the republicans like to say.

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
1:35 pm

This mainly for down stairs but it’s pretty good…

So this is what I learned from the last weekend of the health care reform debate.

First, lay a coffin at a white house fence and you’re subject to arrest.

Spit and yell abuse at members of the Black Caucus as they enter the Capitol and you’ll be left in peace. The same goes for screaming epithets at Barney Frank.

If you’re going to mass half a million strong for immigration reform, don’t expect coverage on CSPAN when they’re covering live events in and around Capitol Hill — not if there are hundreds of epithet throwers somewhere close to cover.

And I learned that after all, it has to be said, some Democrats do have spine. Unfortunately the rest could take some lessons in how to negotiate from the teeny weeny criminalize-abortion caucus and Rep. Bart Stupak.

Finally I learned that Nancy Pelosi is one hell of a house leader. She really can corral a majority when she wants. In fact, she and President Barack Obama can be really persuasive, when they want to be. So let’s not hear any more bunk about the impossibility of the aforementioned immigration reform, or repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, or actually coming up with some real financial regulation. They can do it when they want to.

The one thing that remains a mystery is how to make them want to. If you don’t have a mountain of cash, that is.

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I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!

March 23rd, 2010
1:36 pm

Meanwhile, obozo accepts millions upon millions from the trial lawyers and unions, whom he just fattened up considerably with his health “care” obomination, and Bookman looks the other way, what a stooge!

Peadawg

March 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

“Only elitists think they are entitled to anything.”

Kinda like Obama and Pelosi, who think health care is a right.

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

Looks like Jay has identified a “right” that IS dependent on the actions of someone else! For the “right” people, anyway.

Jackie

March 23rd, 2010
1:39 pm

Political behavior of the GA house is typical Repub actions.
It is required for the citizens to obey the law as written, a nod-and-a-wink is given to the politicians when they violate the spirit of the rules, if not the actual letter of the rules.

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
1:41 pm

“Political behavior of the GA house is typical Repub actions.”

It’s typical politician behavior…it’s not limited to Republicans

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
1:42 pm

I shall not believe it…Republicans accepting lucre for consideration in legislation…why only Democrats do those abhorrent things!

Just sell the naming rights to the state of GA, as well as state property, and we have our budget solution. Instead of Georgia, it could be Altria…instead of the Gold Dome, it would be the Goldschläger Dome…instead of the Governor’s Mansion, it would be the Governor’s Mansion presented by Marriot Courtyard.

The state flag could be a corporate logo…done and done.

NowReally

March 23rd, 2010
1:42 pm

These jerks spend a lot of money trying to influence government at all levels.

Mastercard spent
$960,000 in 4th Qtr 2009;
$680,000 in 3rd Qtr;
$510,000 in 4th Qtr. 2008

At least Obama and Pelosi think healthcare is a right for all and not a select group.

arnold

March 23rd, 2010
1:42 pm

Georgia has one of the lowest rankings in education. I assume, although I shouldn’t, that all Georgia legislators were educated in Georgia. :-) These representatives just aren’t too bright. They have no ethics.

They are getting ready to waste my tax money in attempting to block parts of the Health Care Bill signed into law today. For their information the Supremacy Clause of the U.S.Constitution says federal laws pre-empt conflicting state laws. We have elected unethical Georgia educated idiots.

I Report/You Decide

March 23rd, 2010
1:50 pm

Jay, are these perks for legislators anything like Barack’s gift of a federal judicial appointment to Representative Jim Matheson (D)’s brother?

retiredds

March 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

I find it interesting that our GA legislators are all lathered up about health care reform. This is the same bunch that can’t (really won’t) put an ethics bill on the table that has real teeth in it, a la Tennessee and Maryland. These are the same guys who, because they wanted to appear tough on tort reform, passed a bill on limits to medical malpractice cases that has been declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by a UNANIMOUS vote of the GA Supreme Court. And the conservatives and Republicans want me to trust these guys!! I have a large historic bridge for sale which crosses the East River in NYC.

I Report/You Decide

March 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm

Question for NowReally, can you point us to the clause or section of The Constitution that grants all Americans the right to publicly funded health care? Because I’ve read The Bill of Rights several times, but overlooked it somehow. Thanks in advance.

Red

March 23rd, 2010
1:54 pm

Quit giving them ‘revenue enhancing’ ideas, jewcowboy. These are the same people that think Sarah Palin is a true leader. You may live to regret your wit.

Outhouse GoKart

March 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm

As long as they are gifts for ME as in I ME MINE then I am all for it!!

Gifts for you would be unacceptable…so sorry…come again and I kick you in ass tomorrow again another time.

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm

“Because I’ve read The Bill of Rights several times, but overlooked it somehow”

Article XI
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

Outhouse GoKart

March 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm

NotReally is just quoting that sillyass pelosi.

Disgusted

March 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm

On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he’s a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say ‘he may be the Antichrist.’

And these people want to run the country?

Peadawg

March 23rd, 2010
2:07 pm

“And these people want to run the country?”

I’d vote for the ones who think he’s a socialist in a heart beat Not the idiot that think he’s Muslim of the Antichrist.

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:10 pm

Red,

“Quit giving them ‘revenue enhancing’ ideas, jewcowboy”

At least it could be done by RFP in the open, vs. Sonny getting lathered up in Caesar dressing and bending over for them…

Plus we could have free shot Wednesdays at the Goldschläger Dome from 4pm – 6pm…

http://luxechandelier.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/IMG_3912.jpg

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:20 pm

It’s a sad state when Tennessee has stronger ethics rules than we do here in GA. But then again, we have some ethics-lacking politicians making the rules…

You get what you vote for!!!

SOUTHERN ATL

March 23rd, 2010
2:21 pm

It is so puzzling how the Georgia Assembly can hastily jump on the Health Care Reform. Before the bill was approved, Sonny had ordered a written amendment to block it. Why can’t they do the same when it comes down to “ETHICS”? This administration is so out of touch with the citizens of this state. They are trying to cause SEVERE damage so that this state will be crippled for years to come!! What a shame!!!!!

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm

Peadawg

That leaves slim pickings. If 66% say he’s communist, and 57% say he’s Muslim, then that only leaves 9% worth voting for…

Ummmm, nevermind. 9% is all there’s worth voting for anyway.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm

Peadawg

That leaves slim pickings. If 66% say he’s communist, and 57% say he’s Muslim, then that only leaves 9% worth voting for…

Ummmm, nevermind. 9% is all there’s worth voting for anyway.

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm

Well, watch out, folks. Kyle just shut down his blog because liberals there got so ugly he thought it best to close. Some familiar names there. They will be here next.

But not to worry. I see RedNeck is here. What a fine man !! I ask you: how many men would install garage doors on their trailer so their wife could get inside???? Huh???? I tell you. He’s a real sweetheart.

SOUTHERN ATL

March 23rd, 2010
2:24 pm

Alabama pay attention to what goes on in Georgia and free Donald Siegelman!

retiredds

March 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm

Just because someone here or elsewhere “thinks” that our President is a Socialist doesn’t make it so. Many thought George W. Bush was ordained by God to be President. Some think that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth together 6000 years ago. There were those who were burned at the stake because they thought the world was round and not flat. My perception, or thinking, may be my reality but it isn’t necessarily reality.

TaxPayer

March 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm

Where have all the Republican shills gone…
Long time…

There might be a song in the making.

lovelyliz

March 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm

More Republicans who are all talk and no action

TaxPayer

March 23rd, 2010
2:28 pm

Dusty,

When I was over there on Kyle’s blog, he had just posted a comment basically telling all comers to get it out of there systems, more or less. Perhaps folks decided to take him up on that offer. Just a hunch.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:32 pm

“Muslim of the Antichrist.”

I know that was a typo, but that was funny.

joe matarotz

March 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

Lots of posts here that range from discontent to outrage.

Just wondering if anybody is actually going to do something about this?

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

Dusty,

“Kyle just shut down his blog because liberals there got so ugly he thought it best to close.”

Another conservative who doesn’t like to hear dissent from their opinion? Sorry, I had to take the dig. It’s out of my system now…promise ;)

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

“Just wondering if anybody is actually going to do something about this?”

Maybe we’ll find out at the next election

SOUTHERN ATL

March 23rd, 2010
2:35 pm

joe@ 2:33..any suggestions?

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

Kyle Wingfield

March 23rd, 2010

1:27 pm

OK, my mistake. I thought a little venting would be helpful, but it’s fast heading in the wrong direction. I’m closing commenting on this post.

Wimp. I never quite trusted the way that guy looked.

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

“Just wondering if anybody is actually going to do something about this?”

I’m complaining about it on a blog, duh? Isn’t that doing something? Sheesh…expecting me to move my rotund posterior out of my Lazy-Boy, wash the Cheeto crumbs from my face and do something…as if?!

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

TaxPayer,

Well, the liberals at Kyle’s place sure had a lot “to get out of their system”. I guess that includes insults, insinuations, stright out lies and a few other niceties they wanted to tell the world. I guess nobody ever taught them about human decency. At least Kyle decided not to spread it around. Good idea!

@@

March 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

If I’m not mistaken Obama has, to date, granted 21 ethics waivers to former lobbyists in his administration.

Just keeping things fair and balanced.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

Muslim of the Antichrist

That would be a good band name. I’m kind of diggin’ the whole italics thing.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm

jewcowboy,

Don’t be hating the Cheetos. Just saying.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm

Muslim of the Antichrist

So, what you’re saying is that the Antichrist will have a Muslim that he keeps around… kinda like a sidekick?

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

Bosch,

Your mother is calling you and the tone of her voice is not good. Gonna get your mouth washed out !!! Yes!!!

Jewcowboy,

Dissent is one thing but slinging pure dirt is another. You usually know the difference. Some people don’t.

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

“I’d vote for the ones who think he’s a socialist in a heart beat Not the idiot that think he’s Muslim of the Antichrist”

so…you’d vote for someone who proves themselves to be poorly educated, as long as they’re not deluded.

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

Bosch,

“Wimp. I never quite trusted the way that guy looked.”

He looks like a ginger…you know you can’t trust gingers…except Coco and Prince Harry. Coco because…well he funny and Prince Harry because he snorts vodka…

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm

Dusty

Jay could have done the same thing earlier today based on some of the conservative posts. That appears to be like a 2-way street today.

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm

Bosch,

“Don’t be hating the Cheetos. Just saying.”

OHHH…I just found one last one in my navel….mmmmm….

jt

March 23rd, 2010
2:44 pm

We should “federalize” our state ethics.

It would only take a few billion.

jewcowboy

March 23rd, 2010
2:45 pm

Dusty,

“Dissent is one thing but slinging pure dirt is another”

You mean comments like this about Nancy Pelosi…that not one “conservative” condemned?

“I’d rather throw a cup of coffee i her ugly face. I can’t wait to watch her lose her job. Hopefully she’ll get breast cancer.”

N-GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:45 pm

The typical Georgia voter believes:

- It’s OK to take bribes. After all, look how much I spent to get this job!
- I earned it…it’s ALL MINE. And I’m not paying for any gubmint.
- It’s OK to break the law if it involves pot, liquor, chicken/dog fighting, beating your wife, etc.
- There are a lot more important things in life than an education.
- If you get sick, that’s your problem, not mine.
- I’m a Christian and I’ll kill you if you gotta problem with that.
- Not to worry…you’ll still get saved iffin you’re sorry for your sins.
- We woulda freed our coloreds eventually.
- If we don’t raise the cigarette tax, then bootleggers from other states will buy them here!
- Revolt is good! We’ll get it right the next time!

Feel free to add to this list……..

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm

SoCo,

“So, what you’re saying is that the Antichrist will have a Muslim that he keeps around… kinda like a sidekick?”

I like that idea – it would make for a good comic book storyboard.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:48 pm

jewcowboy @ 2:42 –

That is just plain wrong. Wrong.

N-GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:48 pm

Bosch,

Those were a couple of the characters in the Left Behind series……seriously.

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
2:49 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm
Muslim of the Antichrist

So, what you’re saying is that the Antichrist will have a Muslim that he keeps around… kinda like a sidekick?

Yeah, just like the Lone Ranger and Tonto…The Anti-Christ will send the Muslim into town and he will get the crap kicked out of him just like Tonto. Can’t let a Muslim beat a Christian just like you can’t let an Indian lick a white man…

mm

March 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

“can you point us to the clause or section of The Constitution that grants all Americans the right to publicly funded health care?”

Whiner, can you point to the clause that allows for the building of roads, police and firestations, public schools?

You folks don’t think before you type.

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

Yep, jewcowboy,

That’s an ugly one about Nancy Pelosi, almost as bad as some I heard about President Bush or comments over at Kyle’s place. In a couple of years, Republicans may compile as many insults as liberals. Right now they are far behind in number. It gives no credit to either party.

RB from Gwinnett

March 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm

Obama just bought the votes of several lawmakers with $300MM bribes and Bookman has the neve to question a few dinners. Are you serious Jay? Does bribery not count if it’s done by your own party members or something? Help us with the logic here. And you don’t even need to question whether the bribe had an impact on the outcome of any legislation. You KNOW it did.

And what gifts did D lawmakers in this state receive and from whom? Would you care to share that with us Jay or does that not fit your agenda?

You become more of a partisan hack every day, Jay. What’s the readership decline looking like at the ‘ole AJC lately Jay? Still double the national average or did that change to a different font and smaller paper bring ‘em all back?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm

Bosch

I think Normal’s on the storyboard as we type.

jt

March 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm

The War against Poverty.

The War against Drugs.

The War against Terror.*

We should get those federalies to declare a War against Ethics. You must federalize to professionalize.

*(and assorted miscreants).

Red

March 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm

N-GA
-Separate but equal worked just fine and I still don’t understand why them folks was so uppity about having their own bathrooms and water fountains.
-Unemployed workers should have to take random drug tests paid for out of their own pockets.
and
and
-Sarah Palin will make a great President.

Chris D.

March 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm

Altia is the largest tobacco company in the US? I sure would have thought it was Philip Morris? Or RJ Reynolds?

Mick

March 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

I’ve always entertained the thought that instead of complaining about the way things are, why not run for office and make change? Now that I’m older and wiser, I equate politicians with vampires. Instead of blood, they feed off of money, power and entitlements. Once you are turned and become the undead – there’s no turning back.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

jewcowboy,

RE: Prince Harry

A while back, I watched this video about Prince Harry and all his racial slurs and what not, and I’m not gonna pretend I know what offends some and not others, blah, blah, but in that video there was one part where he was talking to grandma, ya’ know, the Queen and all, on the phone, and one guy in his group (they were in Afghanistan) was telling him to come on and he says something like, “I got to go grandma, God Save you and all that.”

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm

Bosch, did you see my 12:56 downstairs?

N-GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm

Red….That last one was waaaaaaaay over the line!

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm

N-GA,

You gotta be sh*tting me.

SoCo,

I’m gonna give that idea to a friend of mine whose a comic book freakazoid.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm

Normal,

Nope, I’ll go look.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
2:59 pm

N-GA

To quote Forrest Gump: “Stupid is as stupid does”. I wouldn’t even acknowledge that crap.

N-GA

March 23rd, 2010
2:59 pm

Yeah Bosch….the Antichrist was some charismatic dude from Romania and the muslim character secretly converted to Christianity while he worked for the bad guys. Really.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
3:01 pm

NORMAL!!! Hehehehe. That’s funny.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

It’s typical politician behavior…it’s not limited to Republicans

Amen to that. It’s been going on in the State government, almost non-stop, ever since I can remember. For those of you who weren’t around back then, go back to the late 70’s and early 80’s news archives. You’ll see columns just like this one Jay has written (he may have written some of them himself) and only the names and dollar amounts will be different. Most every state politician I can think of, for at least the last 30 years, has fought any kind of ethics reform, tooth and nail. It has nothing to do with party or ideaology and everything to do with power and the maintenance of it for those that have it.

TaxPayer

March 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

well he funny and Prince Harry because he snorts vodka…

Anyone that can snort vodka has my vote. :smile:

AmVet

March 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

This well illustrates but one of the many GREAT failings of the modern GOP in Georgia.

When they finally got the key to Executive Washroom they had every opportunity in the world to clean up the cesspool.

But apparently after all of those years on the outside looking in gave all it did was give them a sense of entitlement. Its almost as if they used the new “balance” of power solely to extract revenge and “get theirs”. In other words, business as usual in the good old boy network of the foxes guarding the Georgian hen house.

The Republicans (in both Washington and) in Atlanta have actually raised the level of corruption and bribery.

They have surpassed the scandalous Democrats in the number of and severity of public embarrassments and shame.

They have done the impossible. They have made Nixon/Agnew and Reagan/North look like paragons of law and order.

They have been beyond disappointing.

And they call themselves conservatives…

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

N-GA

Now you’ve got me wanting to read those books.

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
3:03 pm

“In a couple of years, Republicans may compile as many insults as liberals”

Oh goody…now we can debate which “side” has more insults. Lucky us.

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
3:03 pm

Normal,

So you can’t let an Indian lick a white man. How about an Indian woman leading a bunch of white men all the way across the whole country? Ever heard of Sacajewea? How ’bout that? An INDIAN! A WOMAN! What happened???

SoCo,

I got here late and only skimmed the Pelosi subject. Figured Bookman had just thrown in a little red meat for the fun.of it. Skipped most of it. I don’t imagine most people connect Pelosi with high regard. But that can be explained without being depicable..

@@

March 23rd, 2010
3:06 pm

Sometimes I think the AJC columnists oughta refrain from entering the debate, like Wooten used to do. When a conservative columnist engages, the easy and convenient accusation of racism will inevitably be hurled by some leftist.

Hey Algonquin! The only evidence available refutes the claims made against the Tea Party folks.

If you NEED to believe it happened, feel free…..but you can’t assume facts not in evidence in your attempts to put them off on conservatives, columnists or otherwise.

How many different names were you using over there, dude?

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

N-GA and SoCo –

That reminds me of a series of films I was forced to watch as a child at the crazy church I was forced against my will to attend. It was all about post-rapture crap. It was horrifying. I had to have therapy (well not for that one particular thing, but that church made me crazy).

Dusty

March 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

DoggoneGa,

You’re up to that project. Go for it! I will be back later for the insult count.

AmVet,

You can help Doggone. You seem to have a count already on Republicans.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

Dusty

More than anything else, I feel ashamed for the children of those who post crap here and act up in public. I don’t care what their political leanings are. Could you imagine having to come to school on a Monday morning after your mom or dad has been plastered all over the news acting a complete jacka$$? We’re supposed to be the “Great Bastion of Freedom”, but all you see on tv are people angry enough to chew up railroad iron and sh*t out steel.

I think it says more to a person’s character about how they carry themselves. Even more when it’s anonymous, no one knows who you are. Then again, if you’re posting here, there’s an electronic trail, and someone does know who you are.

Old Shoes

March 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

I went to Denny’s early this a.m. for my usual, Moons over my Hammy, damned if it hadn’t been usurped by something called a Cornhusker Kickback…

Doggone/GA

March 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

“You’re up to that project”

Not even to win a bet, you’ll have to find some other sucker to do your work.

Normal

March 23rd, 2010
3:13 pm

Dusty,
Wasn’t my call…that was part of the folklore about the Lone Ranger TV series. Tonto (Jay Silverheels) was never allowed to win a fight with a white man. It just wasn’t done…racial superiority, don’t cha know? It was the ’50’s so go figure…

jt

March 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

“The Republicans (in both Washington and) in Atlanta have actually raised the level of corruption and bribery.”

Their is no “level” of corruption.
Either you are or not.
Kinda like greasing a few Pakis with a 300,000 dollar bomb and cheering or killing 300,000 people with “boots on the ground.” and complaining.
Kinda like fighting for your choice to abort at taxpayer expense but mandating individual health insurance to escape taxpayer expense.
I could go on but I will not.

Principles aren’t allowed with corruption.

AmVet

March 23rd, 2010
3:18 pm

Dusty, then refute my claims about Republican corruption in Georgia.

Perhaps you should have a tete a tete with your heroes Glenn Richardson, Nathan Deal, Mark Butler and John Oxendine who have had some, ahem, little problems all in the past few months alone.

Would you like me to provide a very long list for you?

I thought not…

AmVet

March 23rd, 2010
3:20 pm

“Their is no “level” of corruption.
Either you are or not.”

jt, you miss the point entirely…

Jackie

March 23rd, 2010
3:20 pm

If everyone in attendance heard someone utter a racial slur and such is acknowledged by the Repubs, wonder how one would refute the occurrence of the event?

TaxPayer

March 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm

At least if they get too rowdy over on Kyle’s blog and go and hurt one another with those words, they’ll be able to still get health insurance because they cannot be denied due to any pre-existing conditions no more.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm

Perhaps you should have a tete a tete with your heroes Glenn Richardson, Nathan Deal, Mark Butler and John Oxendine who have had some, ahem, little problems all in the past few months alone.

Well, I might of knowed sooner or later somebody was going to pull the Richardson and Oxendine card. No wonder poor Wingfield had to shut down his blog. Some of these bloggers are dirtier than a chimney sweeper by the end of a day.

jt

March 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm

As the “light-skinned negro without an accent” snorted cocaine in college,

his darker brothers were being institutionalized. Soem of them are probably STILL there for doing what he did. Probably had something to do with his address.

Principles.

Bosch

March 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

Ok, I have these friend whose child has a very bad health condition – it’s not fatal, but is in and out of the hospital. I wouldn’t be afraid to say that this child has had over a million dollars spent on his health care for this condition alone. I get email updates all the time about what their child’s condition and procedures and when he’s in the hospital, etc. I also get email messages from them about how Obama sucks and health care reform is going to ruin the known universe.

Mom and dad are Obama haters who are very vocal in their opposition to health care reform. I’m one step away from saying to them, “Ya’ know, now that this bill has passed you don’t have to be worried about your child being dropped from your insurance.”

That would probably end our friendship, huh?

Old Shoes

March 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

It is as it was…

jt

March 23rd, 2010
3:24 pm

jt, you miss the point entirely…

I digress.
Either you are corrupt or not. There is no level.

And you know it.

@@

March 23rd, 2010
3:24 pm

jay, since you “raised a cup-o-courage” to Nancy this morning, does that mean you’ve joined The Coffee Party. DANG! If you and your party members can afford what those joints want for a cup-o-joe, you should be able to afford to finance Obamacare all by your lonesomes.

I think that’s fair, don’t you? The only place I’m willing to buy a cup of coffee is at The Waffle House. Now those are hard-working folks there. I always tip ‘em 25 to 30%.